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I feel so so so so so bad for the "young wife" who inspired this article. Her husband is clearly abusing her, and is even asking for more advice on how to abuse her, and her parents are no support for her, not only since they let her marry at 17, but also because when she TRIED to go to her mother for help, her mother just shut her down and told her to talk to her husband about this. AND SHE'S ONLY 18.
If your wife ever has to say the words "You're not my father" for any reason other than some sort of kinky sexual fetish the two of you mutually have going on (hey, I'm not here to kink shame), then you have really, really messed up in more ways than one, and you should probably reevaluate your entire core thought processes and choices as a human being (I mean yeah, you should probably raise a huge red flag to evaluate yourself when you are a 23 year old actively pursuing minors sexually, but that may be a bit too much to accept and try to fix all at once.)
I had a guy I was dating tell me that he loved that I was 22 because he could mold me... He was actually stupid enough to say that to me 😂😂😂 you picked the wrong one, buddy!
Consent is also sacred for actual Christians. Sin can only happen with full knowledge and total will. Conversely, a good act is also only morally good when done willfully and with full knowledge of the act and its consequences. This is truly evil.
The red flag for this would have and should have been the adult marrying a minor and teenager, essentially. Obviously he was looking for a wife-child and instead got a rebellious teenager.
I grew up in a Christian community. My whole family on both sides were in the pentecostal church. I seen a lot of this type of thing going on. The corruption was so horrid that a woman was forced into marriage to her rapest out of threat of hell fire and excommunication, because they didn't want other churches and families to see the shame of thier daughter being pregnant outside of marriage.
That is horrible! Definitely not what the bible teaches. Just because someone or some church says they're "christian" doesn't mean that they actually know Jesus Christ. Christianity is very much distorted by tons of humans. But that's why we need Jesus. If we could be like Jesus, without Him, then we wouldn't need Him. Thank you Jesus, praise God! Find true loving, fruit of the Spirit, Jesus following Christians. There you will see the bible in all His glory!
It’s so interesting to me that Robert and his wife are starting out with a very common problem. Most couples have disagreements about budgeting. There’s so many ways to offer constructive advice for how to solve that disagreement. But the author of this article goes with- if you’re not able to manipulate her into not spending money yet, start off with manipulating her clothing and entertainment choices, then you can move up to the big leagues. Good gravy that man is horrible.
I also have to wonder if she is actually spending all that money or is it things he wanted or asked for and she is just the one that put the card down for it? This is a discussion had often in my home when my husband is trying to claim that I am spending too much money. For example, our son broke the switch lite he was given for his birthday. I am not mechanically inclined enough to see if he broke it or if it was defective, but I let him know that a new one was not in the picture. But his dad tells him he can have a new one. But he doesn't buy it, he tells me to buy it. That is so later on he can blame me for that money spent. He does this often with large purchases. I am supposed to put them on my credit card, but then when I pay the credit card, there is always the argument of why am I spending so much money. He has stopped arguing with me about it lately, not because he has seen how toxic it is, but because he has started to believe that his constant anger and arguing is bad for his health. I mean, it is, definitely, but that is not the only reason it should have stopped. Nor does it give me any reassurance that it won't continue as soon as he feels like he is all better.
I guess when this guy read that a woman is made for the man to be his helpmate, helpmate in Hebrew is actually the same word the Bible used to describe God to the people of Israel. And God is certainly not below Israel. I am certainly a Christian but I fear for these women and men who are trapped in purity culture which causes severe religious trauma. It needs to be stopped at all costs.
No one seems to care to understand that the Bible as we know it NOW, has been translated over and over and over again. To the point it seems no one bothers looking into the words they read.
Sigh, back off with the hypocrisy. Are you going to rebuke foolishness or not? If not, you can go right along with the non believers. Just don't call yourself a Christian. I've had enough of this
The martyr spirit inside of me will break you down. You can't stop the children of God. So back off from the church, or you will just have to kill me. The bullets are in the barrel, so why hesitate? Look into my eyes and see what you could have become
This article is unreal. Thank you for sharing. I wish there were a way to study exactly how many people believe in this stuff in a real way. Like how fringe is this...?
Well add this to the list of things to make sure you know about your partner before marriage. “Do you believe in spanking your wife to discipline her?” My boyfriend who has never been involved in any church overheard me listening to Jimmy Snow’s video on this and thought this was made up.
My father is a devout Christian man in his 80's - I've shown him some of these things, he's response was "Have these lunatics ever actually read the Bible?" But then again we live in Australia and he has massive issues with the American version of Christianity.
Ask that question, but in my experience, a lot of people know that they are abusive and that a prospective partner won't go for that kind of treatment. So oftentimes that person will lie. You're better off telling that person no and disagreeing with them from time to time so that you can observe their behavior. If that person goes into rage, tries to bully you into agreeing with them, or becomes verbally or emotionally abusive towards you (insults, guilt trips, silent treatment, etc.) until they get their way, run. Courtship is when someone is on his or her best behavior. If they act like that while dating you, it will be worse once you marry them. Of course, if someone gets physical or destructive when they're angry (break things, grab or push you, etc.), BREAK UP WITH THEM as soon as possible. They are testing you to see if you will allow it and the behavior will only escalate. They were not joking or having a bad day; do not accept an apology or tears; end the relationship. You are saving your own life.
@@limacnaughton3352 The bible describes the correct way to sell your children into slavery. I mean, if you read the original text in the Tora. Also, the King James bible is full of infanticide done with Gods blessings. So, yeah, having read the Tora and the KJB, I can say that grooming your wife is tame compared to what say.. oh.. Joshua did. Your dad is right though, they are batshit crazy.
Y'all should take a look at the August 2020 Ensign. It is all about sexuality, and there are some WILD articles on how the Holy Ghost is required for "true" sexual intimacy, and lots of other amazing nuggets
I just read one of the articles where there they quote Wilford woodruff and they edit out most of the quote that talks about the weird temple Masonic stuff “ “they shall pass by the angels [using all of the signs and tokens given to them in the temple so they may recieve] to their exaltation and glory [ which can only come from the ordinances of the highest piresthood] which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
Did you note the section on “Divine Purposes of Sexual Intimacy”? What utter and complete bullshit. Terrifying that there are still people that adhere to tenets that limit their natural sexuality in order to appease an imaginary being’s rules (rules made up by men) on how to avoid an imaginary hell. Endless billions of galaxies. Countless worlds. Beauty and amazement even just looking as far as our own small rock. And you think your “creator” is mostly worried about where you put your dick. SMH.
I’ve heard of couples who ‘speak in tongues’ (the ‘Holy Spirit language’ that people do in worship) during sex. Even as a young adult who believed everything without question, this seemed really strange and creepy to me!
What's wild to me is that I (a practicing roman Catholic, from a devout family) have been literally warned growning up about the kind of man who wrote this article. Absolutely none of the things he's describing would EVER fly in our house. What's more, I asked my Grandmother, who's been Catholic her whole life and is in her mid sixties, and she was never taught these ideals as a young woman. Genuinely, this is just abuse, its wild.
It’s a huge relief to hear your takes on these apologetic articles. I’m a nuanced member surrounded by people who would burn me at the stake if I ever shared some of my opinions that are similar to dive of yours. I’m not alone.
when they were talking about women being "naturally" submissive to men, my brain went on an Interesting route. "how would they explain pegging?" "probably as a sin." then "well if pegging is a sin then i'd go to hell every night." that is the best thought ive had all day so im gonna leave it here for y'all.
There's another use of the word "grooming," which is that primatologists and other zoologists talk about intra-species grooming between equals, such as one chimpanzee picking nits out of another chimp's back. I think the human equivalent would be fine, but we don't see it much.
I would love to play Cards Against Humanity with you two! Great job! You always make me smile, in spite of the craziness! You inspire me to have these kinds of conversations out loud too! Yours is the first channel I have decided to support through Patreon!
I'm really grateful there are people like you calling these sickos out. Imagine if you are a woman who has only heard that this is the right way to do things. Spanking? When it's not consentual? nope on a rope.
His ideas of the male and female natures sound like medieval humeral science. Next he'll be suggesting that you never allow your wife to eat spicy food to keep her cold and wet like she should be
These poor women who are being conditioned into thinking this is a Biblical marriage by these arrogant, self righteous men. How can a religion that is based on a Savior giving his life for others go so wrong? The Savior who condemned the self righteous Pharisees and Saducees but embraced the wayward souls that were blind, lame and poor. I believe the Bible but the man who wrote this article twisted Scripture so much that I don't even recognize how he got to where he ended up. I apologize for his actions and teachings. This is NOT what Christian Biblical marriage is. This is twisted. I weep for these women...how disturbing. Language fails me for I cannot tell you how much this disturbs me.
@Divas&DollsBeauty I think if you were to examine marriage in the Bible you would find they have a choice. Married women in the Bible (who also would be considered in "Biblical Marriages") who made impactful choices: Eve, Esther, Ruth, Job's wife, Mary (the mother of Jesus), Proverbs 31 woman, Bathsheba, Deborah, Sapphira, Jael, Rachel and Leah to name a few. It's people like the man who wrote this article that cherry pick the Bible to fit their own needs that pervert Bible marriage. They add their own thoughts, desires and intents to the Bible (which is an abomination to God (pretty much the worst sin ever)) instead of actually just doing what the Bible says. If a man loves his wife as much as or more than himself, don't you think she'd have a choice? She'd be loved, spoiled and her needs taken care of instead of abused and "groomed". People run past that verse and harp on the submit part. Submit doesn't mean the husband is a taskmaster it means that he has the final say. Why? Well read in Genesis about Eve and the curse that was put on women because of her sin...that's why. Submit doesn't mean you don't have a choice or opinion.
Sorry to point this out but there a few thjngs we should straighten out first. That quick Google search you did was great but let's go deeper! First of all, the Bible was written in Hebrew, some Aramaic, and Greek. Secondly, men did write the Bible; however, God used them to write the Bible and inspired their very thoughts and words. Thirdly, the Bible does translate into English. It was first officially translated in 1611 by the order of King James I. He chose the top Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic scholars to translate the Bible into the English language. It was revised a few times due to archaic spellings, word and grammar. That Bible is the King James Version Bible or KJV. Now that we got our facts out...Yes, I believe the Bible is true and is the literal Word of God. Let's not just regurgitate stuff we've heard or Google searched. Let's talk about stuff that is true. Your ball!
@Divas&DollsBeauty The culture was different than it is today. I agree. However, I'm not an expert in Bible times Hebrew culture. People who followed after un-biblical things gave their daughters to men to during that time too. Everyone acts like this is what the Bible says and commands. That was the culture of the whole world at that tjme. In some Arabic and Indian countries, people still do it today. May I ask how you know they didn't have a choice? Because Rebecca when she married Isaac was given a choice. Her story is in Genesis. She was given the choice to go marry Isaac or not. She decided to marry him. Mary had a choice to marry Joseph. I mean where in the Bible does it command fathers to choose their daughters mate? Book, chapter and verse please.
@@CesaraGal kjv...ha. Who says it's the best version? Scholars dont think that at all. Kjv sounds fancy, but actually it's an ok-level translation at best. You need to look at the explanations from good scholars coming from a variety in backgrounds. Seems like your biblical knowledge is good, but this is a matter of linguistics, semantics and translation. Besides, meanings shift and KJV already uses outdated turns of phrase that have different meanings to a 20th/21st century audience. I believe the bible is the word of God, but it doesnt mean kjv is the "best" way to try and understand it.
Wow First ! haha BTW I just came to find your lovely channel again, because I'm meeting again (via Zoom) with a pair of young Mormon missionaries, for another street epistemology interview/discussion. This week's topic will be about how they can have confident belief in prophets, especially the 13 alleged prophets living today. Any pointers of what QUESTIONS would be useful to give them to consider would be really helpful 🐢 or any other advice specific for these cult members. (we have a very friendly rapport, and they seem more open to be genuine with me about their beliefs and possible doubts than many others on a mission.)
Tell them to watch,or listen to, the last two, “Mormon Stories”.. They are on the book of Abraham and it’s the best conclusive evidence I’ve ever heard agains (prophet #1) Joseph Smith’s abilities.
I can't. I honestly thought that that was a satirical website. So I looked it up and the more I read, the bigger my eyes got. I got more and more horrified, but once I got to the wife-spanking, I had to go. What is wrong with people? What poor Christian wives are putting up with this kind of abuse? The man who wrote that article is a monster and he is not a believer. Neither God nor Jesus would ever sanction abuse or control of women. Biblical submission is not equal to male domination and subjugation.
Wow so disgusting. Can't believe people still think like this! I feel sorry for any woman in this situation. Hopefully she had the intelligence and courage to get out
No, they accept it and trump their husbands. This shit BGR defends is christian domestic discipline. If you make a quick research on google, you'll se many women defending this. It's horrible, and this movement is growing more and more.
Unfortunately according to the comments, she was entered into a “counseling couple” who supports this and is working toward this mind set. 😭 BREAKS MY HEART! I want to know her name and go save her!!!!
You two seem badass. I wanna hang out with you guys! 😂 I went to catholic school for 7 years and I’m so happy that I lost my faith in high school. Was never exposed to this part of Christianity but I remember the amount of shame and guilt I constantly felt. I remember telling a boy I liked him in 1st grade and feeling such an extreme amount of shame and guilt, I thought I was going to hell. I prayed about it for years. I told the priest in confession. (10 Hail Marys and god forgave me) 😂 looking back, I feel so bad for my younger self. I appreciate people like you sharing your stories and opinions.
Welp.....on the other hand, I totally appreciate you talking about this! Thanks for sacrificing your own sanity to keep the community informed on how the "other half" thinks. (I hope it isn't half of the population but you know what I mean!)
YIKES! This can't possibly be real!!! It's the most nauseating thing ever.How in the world do you find these things?!? What woman would stay in a "marriage" such as this?
I'm calling it. The "adult/child paradigm" shit he mentions are the mental gymnastics he uses to blur the lines between women and the children he preys on.
That guy is basically acussing "humanist christians" of being decent human beings. I'm a bisexual, democratic socialst, interseccional feminist, Catholic. I am very proud of being bisexual, of being a democratic socialist, of being an interseccional feminist (i am in favour of abprtion being legal though i wouldn't choose it for myself) and of being Catholic (even though i don't agree with A LOT of thing the church preaches and orders). I do "cherry pick" the bible, but that is because a- everyone does it, and b- there is a lot of things that have to do with the culture of the time and do not apply nowadays. But i follow the most important things i try to respect and love everyone (unless they are abusive assholes) and i try to help people (i volunteer in social organizations and i'm literally studying ingernational reations so i can work with an NGO to help refugees and that was inflienced by my catholicism). I am not a "go every sunday to church" type but i do try to follow Jesus teachings and i just try to be a decent human being (just to clarify, you don't need to be catholic to be a decent human being, everyone can as long as they are not assholes)
A thought - people who get married at a young age (18 for example) have higher divorce rates. This is because young adulthood is a turbulent period of change, and sometimes people grow apart rather than together. I imagine the kinds of men who write/listen to articles like these might feel threatened by their young wives' growing maturity because it means they'll lose them. Rather than communicating any issues or expressing their fears, these men want to change their wives before they change on their own. They rewire a woman from achieving her personal goals to working towards his goals alone. They cause her to identify her happiness as his happiness alone. She is meant to serve her husband without question and find joy from it. This way, how could she possibly focus on anything else? How could she possibly want more than him? She is conditioned at her most vulnerable period of change so that she will never leave. Some women who go through this struggle to recognize that they are being abused, and when they do, some feel like it is too late for them to get out of the situation because they feel like they have no other options, since they weren't allowed time to reflect on their own life's purpose. But it is NEVER too late.
I would LOVE to see a video on the hill cumorah pageant, if you have any experience with it. I was in it for 6 years (my mom is currently the primary president for it) and 2 of those years i was not a believing mormon. it’s so interesting how cult-y it gets, and just throwing this idea out there, but i would love to do some sort of a collab or cameo if you do make a video on it, talking about my experience !!
Oh my gosh. Hello and that would be a great video! My mom was in the hair and wigs department and my whole family had some very interesting experiences while there. Would also do be down to give my two cents for such a video!
The beach comment about the 7 year olds resonated a lot with me. I have a 3 year old daughter who loves bopping around topless, bottomless, and just plain naked. I don't blame her! Clothing can be uncomfortable. And ALREADY my family is like, "isn't she getting too old to run around like that" or "don't you think that's a bit strange?" Uhhh... No? She's a toddler and has no concept of whatever gross shit you're implying. (Plus, she potty trained way sooner than her peers and I think the lack of diapers is what really helped!!)
Mine loved running around naked, and on sunny summer days in the yard, had great fun, but never in public, not about shame, about creeps and zoom lenses.
@@JacquelineUnderwood Creeps with zoom lenses find little naked girls far more exciting and the pictures are far more sellable/tradeable than little girls with clothes on. The little girls are NOT dirty or bad or whatever, they are innocent, but the world isn't. I think it's better to protect them, around age 4 is a good time to start learning about good touches/wrong touches and which parts are private. For us, 3 was the summer of naked in our yard/home only. Let me add, in the 70's I spent almost a year at a clothing optional, what the locals called a "hippie colony", I'm not a prude and have no problem with the human body. I do understand there is a big difference between the way things should be and the way they are.
First off, UGH THIS IS SO TOXIC! I wanted to chime in about the husband's requirement to have sex with his wife. It's true that in the Old Testament husbands are commanded by God to grant their wives their "conjugal rights" regularly, but the reverse command is never given to the wife. It's interesting. I'm not sure about the second part of that thought--about how she can't exert force or whatever this guy was saying--I have a feeling that's his own commentary on the matter. 🙄 Anyway, my husband and I (we're both Christians) used very traditional vows in our marriage ceremony, and his portion of the vows included promising me all his "conjugal affections", but mine didn't include the same for him. We both found that interesting!
I wish there was more emphasis on the Hebrew translation and context of all these words in bible like "submit" and "head of" . in reference to wives and husband the Hebrew words reveal a military analogy something like " wives should be deployed in support and defense of their husbands" VERY different from what this man wrote about. She's you're teammate! Your best 2nd lieutenant. She's on your side and by your side through thick and thin!
I remember seeing “Christian spanking relationships” a couple years ago and being horrified. Like, bdsm is consensual, that’s abuse. It’s honestly just a yikes from me. Those poor women.
About 29:30, I agree with Tanner, I feel like Sam is miss reading this part, it does say that husbands can’t deny their wives, but then it saying that wives can’t demand being sexually satisfied. The way I interpreted that is that you’re not supposed to deny your wife sex, but you’re under no obligation to make it good for her. But husbands are allowed that there to demand their wives make it good for them.
Did anyone else get the sense that these “young brides” couldn’t read? The article kept saying “teach your wife” “tell your wife about what’s in the Bible,” lmao 😄
I really like this video and I can't believe this man wrote this, it is shocking and upsetting. You made a lot of really excellent points. I just want to point out that you misunderstood the word "ravished" in that proverbs passage. That translation is most likely the King James and so that word is a sort of antiquated one being used in a way we don't use it now. For someone to be ravished by someone else's love would mean to be enraptured by their love. The connotation would be a wild passionate feeling but not a cruel or harmful one. This is not the same thing as saying "to ravish someone" which could possibly mean a rape but it could also be consensual. But this is not saying he should ravish her but he himself should be ravished by her love. The word in the Hebrew, tiš·geh, means something more like exhilarated or even intoxicated. I just wanted to point that out because I have a passion for linguistics but also because I often feel like the King James translation confuses people a lot because a lot of the words it uses are so out of use now and people can be mislead.
BGR fully approves marital rape. He believes wives have no right to say no. In fact, he says women who have unavoidable pain with sex must not only give in to intercourse but also do so cheerfully and conceal their pain for hubby's comfort.
If the wife see this, get out while you can. He thinks he's patently better than you and will always be resistant to any valid point you bring up. That's not the way a healthy relationship should be.
Those men are sick. They don’t deserve good strong women. Marriage is a partnership and equal. One isn’t in control. Don’t hide behind your religion to abuse your partner. Disgusting and unforgivable. People like that don’t change. Makes me sick.
Its interesting - the fine line between religious ritual and sado-masochism. Its the game that the religious authority plays. He pulls the strings and plays the congregants. Love you guys.
I'm not even a christian (I grew up CofE but I guesswhat that guy considers humanist christian?? - in so much as we were not told to treat people like shit) but recently read that proverbs passage (the one about loving/ravishing the wife of your youth) after watching someone reacting to a girl defined vid; the original vid they were trying to say there's lots of places in the bible that have beautiful women but also tried to use it to justify this whole idea of modesty and being beautiful but not seductive (or some bs...idk, it made my eye twitch). They'd done the whole "the bible says in x" (that none specific thing those kind of people do, where they pick a book and a vague passage but no the exact line because that requires research and examining context) & a pet peeve of mine is people using the bible as their excuse to be a shitty human. So of course I had to look up those sections (think it was like proverbs 5 & 7, another proverbs and titus 2 ... surprise surprise not one of them supported their point). Proverbs 5, the one he's referencing (and of course using the King James version as the language in NIV is mildly less problematic), is actually a caution to men about not being adultery, to not go after married/adulterous, it's like "why go after another man's wife when you have a wife at home who can satisfy you." I really shouldn't ever be surprised, yet I always end up that that these imbeciles who use the bible to justify their abusive behaviours not only take out of context and twist the bible to suit their own meaning, they can't even be bothered to find the right passage to support their shitty behaviour - it's the cookie cutter "it's probably in proverbs and hey, I heard this bit once, I can make that work". If they really believed in the bible the way they say then Titus 2:3-5 ("Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God." ) is more in line with what he was looking for, but that would open him up to pointing out the rest of Titus 2 about how men should be behaving (it also has the gross slavery shit in it too though, so... .so let's not put much stock in Titus anyway). I guess my point is, these idiots can't ever seem to even pick the right/appropriate scripture to support their shittynenss, when there's likely a passage or verse to support any of their bad behaviour if they only looked properly; which just confirms they're not even the biblicist they claim but rather they want to use it as a protection of their lousy, outdated treatment of women. That said, anyone who can take and conflate one meaning of grooming with another...I shouldn't be surprised. What a vile man and obviously one of those small weak little men who writes his blog and "mentors couples" as an outlet to the fact that he not only cannot control his wife, but likely she wears the trousers in their relationship & probably is the main breadwinner. Those kinds of relationships never end well, his bitterness will come out one way or another. As for the guy who wrote to him in the first place (if anyone actually did write to him). I hope that the 18yo woman runs as far away as she can while she still can.
The real church isn't like that. The author of that article is not a real Christian and he has never met Jesus. He is an abuser using Scripture to control his wife.
A Jesus crispy 26 year old waiter at my 17 year old at the time twin sister’s job preyed on her using religion. “Let’s pray together 😌🙏”, now they’re engaged. I’m a Christian, but it makes me resent religious people.
The behavioral conditioning associated with spousal abuse is called learned helplessness. In a now disallowed experiment, dogs were subjected to shocks painful enough to cause them to urinate defecate and cry out. They were prevented from escaping the shock. After the shock was administered as sufficient number of times, and escape was offered. However the dogs would simply receive the shocks and no longer attempt to flee even though there was a clear escape.
I keep laughing out loud, but then having to remember THIS IS REAL for some poor young religious wives out there... So I sober up and try to take this absurdity seriously. But god Damn the lack of insight by these pathetic beginner patriarchs is so comedic I must smack my forehead to keep the laughter in 😖
My heartgoes out to the women who are sujected to this utter bullshit. The gender roles website is a how to guide for men to be physically, psychologically, financially and spiritually abusive.
Is the pattern on that bandana elephants? Omg I'm wearing the exact same one almost the exact same way. Lmaoi. It's used as a headband but over my forehead, and under my hair. Too funny and uncanny
This is literally what they mean by traditional family values. At least in part. So when they talk about the traditional family unit being threatened, they may very well be upset that you want to help less women be spanked/beaten and controlled by their husbands.
Is it just me, or is it rather telling that BGR doesn’t stop to address the actual conflict around budgeting and only talks about ‘discipline’. Perhaps he should ask if the wife’s budget includes groceries and other household shopping, because if it does, being consistently over budget may be because she’s a teenager who has (I’m assuming) never lived alone, and maybe they should look over receipts to see where she could cut back, or even if Robert has simply underestimated how much cost an extra person would add to the monthly expenses. Are we talking spending on designer clothes or name brand detergent?
Honestly some men don’t even put their wives monthly feminine products in the budget. Like of course if you’re only budgeting for food and gas there’s going to be “overspending”. Like Hellooo remember shampoo and tampons? Lol
Now I gotta do some detective work and figure out if me or my partner are in control because we assumed I was pretty fifty/fifty with him this whole time. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I'm glad you preface that not all Christians are like this. Because this is disgusting. It makes me very sad to think that there are people claiming Christ out there who are like this.
I just saw this video posted on reddit, decided to see the video on UA-cam so you can get the number, and I haven’t even finished it but this is just the stupidest thing
Corporal punishment is literally the worst way to "punish" anyone. We know this. "God gave them a brain...." No the tree of knowledge gave us a brain. That's the original sin knowing right from wrong. Honestly, could see why the Abrahamic god wouldn't want us knowing that.
The only reason why he didnt want us to have that and the tree of life( which would give them eternal life) was because he didnt want us to become like HIM. He was afraid of not being the only boss. Remember, the older ideas about the Christian god, espacially in the bible, were very different. I mean there were other gods, its just that the god of the bible had the biggest dick among them.
@@moorek1967 yep, what in my comment made you think I didnt know that? The ideas that get around about the Christian god, including how they view the story of the old testament are very different to how the jews would Interpret them. Do you realize that Christians still think that its the same god, their god? Thats what I'm criticizing. The fact that Christians make up their ideas about these stories when the people of the time(the jews) wanted to say very different things
@@justadude7752 It's the same God, just a new testament. But how do you think I view the OT and most Jews do as well? It is about the morality tales. Did these things really happen the way it is written? We don't know. But what we can know is that in these tales, there is always a consequence for actions. Also, I am not a Flat Earther nor a Young Eather.
@@moorek1967 the thing is tho that the stories in the OT and NT do make the god character very different. One can definitly think about the stories in that way and I would actually prefer them to since that way they dont have to make up false ideas about our reality to fit those stories. No worries here. Never thought you were.
I hope I can one day read something like this while laughing instead of feeling horrible because I don't have the finances to leave my extremist community yet and I'm living this. Well....I'm not married but ya know. The gender roles and all that
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If I was gonna write a troll blog of my previous religion this is how I would do it. If this is real it is literally the worst, if not it's absolute gold! Hopefully this shows Christians what can be justified using Bible. If the blog does one on justifying slavery its definitely a troll.
Just passed your comment re:kids at the beach. I'm all for children not being sexualised, but the beach example doesn't work for me. I have a 7 year old step-daughter. My partner and I always encourage body confidence and autonomy. With that in mind, I wouldn't shame her at the beach for any exposure she wants at her age, but I am also aware of the two facts that a) there are predatory men out there and b) that it's my partners and my role to protect her from harm... So I'm a bit torn with that. She has dashed through the house nude more than once, but the wider society can be a dangerous place. It's disgusting that there is that need to shield her, but the need IS real...
I think pedophiles are pedophiles regardless of what children are wearing. No one ever saw a topless child and became a pedophile because of it. No one ever decided to act on their instincts because a child was topless-the instincts were fully formed before. (Often because THEY experienced pedophilia as children, unfortunately ☹️) I don’t see how a tiny bit of fabric over a female child’s chest makes a difference. But I also understand how conflicting it must be being an actual parent to a child! Totally understand that you might choose to make certain decisions because you want to protect them. 💜
Of course pedophiles are going to pedophile, and I don't think encouraging my step-daughter cover up in public is going to stop that. I also don't like the idea of her being sexualised further in the minds of such damaged people than is inevitable by not encouraging that behaviour. It may be that it doesn't matter what I do, as I don't share a pedophiles mindset. So I act in accordance of how I think may lessen the threat. As I said, if she does take items of clothing off, I don't berate her. She's too young to get it. But the reasons I have to encourage what should be unnecessary are laid out. I don't know what objections you've had to that statement in the past, but I think you get my point. I'm unable to have children so getting to act in that role means quite a bit to me as I've always had a strong paternal instinct (I have 2 cats that were filling that void for me, but, bizarrely, I get more satisfaction raising a human 😆) . I will do as much as I can to shield her from the dangers of the world while trying to maintain wonder with it as much as I can. Sometimes those two aspects of parenting conflict. All I can do is hope I don't mess up too badly. Either way just wanted to lay out my reasons, at least, for why this raised an eyebrow for me.
Well I made it 2 min before quitting in disgust, like what the actual hell. Congrats for making it through this list, it sounds just so revolting and it's just begun. This almost makes me want to join satanism out of spite.
Different eyeliner look Sam? Or is it just me? Flashback to that time in college that I got offended when a friend called people animals. My bad, sorry... Thank god I've changed since then. Also such a disgusting sentiment. What is wrong with these people? This makes me so uncomfortable.
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Was he like... inspired by Hamilton and wanted to dress up a racist founding story? It sounds so cringe.
where can i find this musical?? i need to see this terrible idea for myself
the first letter of Peter says to treat wives as “fellow heirs in the grace of life” (1 Peter 3:7). Fellow heirs!
this dude married a child and them complained that she was acting like a child
Yup
She married a child!
I feel so so so so so bad for the "young wife" who inspired this article. Her husband is clearly abusing her, and is even asking for more advice on how to abuse her, and her parents are no support for her, not only since they let her marry at 17, but also because when she TRIED to go to her mother for help, her mother just shut her down and told her to talk to her husband about this. AND SHE'S ONLY 18.
i really really hope she can leave this cult and find a better life.
If your wife ever has to say the words "You're not my father" for any reason other than some sort of kinky sexual fetish the two of you mutually have going on (hey, I'm not here to kink shame), then you have really, really messed up in more ways than one, and you should probably reevaluate your entire core thought processes and choices as a human being (I mean yeah, you should probably raise a huge red flag to evaluate yourself when you are a 23 year old actively pursuing minors sexually, but that may be a bit too much to accept and try to fix all at once.)
I had a guy I was dating tell me that he loved that I was 22 because he could mold me... He was actually stupid enough to say that to me 😂😂😂 you picked the wrong one, buddy!
What a loser! Get with a real man like me! I will learn ya and not tell ya first!
my favorite thing is when sam uses an american accent sarcastically to mock someone haha
Any sentence that starts out with “from a biblical perspective...” ends up being the worst sentence ever said by any person
Consent is also sacred for actual Christians. Sin can only happen with full knowledge and total will. Conversely, a good act is also only morally good when done willfully and with full knowledge of the act and its consequences. This is truly evil.
Then I don't understand the original sin. Why was it sinful for Eve to eat the fruit, when she had no way to know what sin even was?
Here’s a thought. Don’t get married to anyone until you both have the maturity to handle adult life.
Here's another thought, don't get married.
The red flag for this would have and should have been the adult marrying a minor and teenager, essentially.
Obviously he was looking for a wife-child and instead got a rebellious teenager.
I grew up in a Christian community. My whole family on both sides were in the pentecostal church. I seen a lot of this type of thing going on. The corruption was so horrid that a woman was forced into marriage to her rapest out of threat of hell fire and excommunication, because they didn't want other churches and families to see the shame of thier daughter being pregnant outside of marriage.
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That is horrible! Definitely not what the bible teaches. Just because someone or some church says they're "christian" doesn't mean that they actually know Jesus Christ. Christianity is very much distorted by tons of humans. But that's why we need Jesus. If we could be like Jesus, without Him, then we wouldn't need Him. Thank you Jesus, praise God! Find true loving, fruit of the Spirit, Jesus following Christians. There you will see the bible in all His glory!
@@jenniferwalsh1731 Um.. the bible does teach that.
WTAF!!!
It’s so interesting to me that Robert and his wife are starting out with a very common problem. Most couples have disagreements about budgeting. There’s so many ways to offer constructive advice for how to solve that disagreement. But the author of this article goes with- if you’re not able to manipulate her into not spending money yet, start off with manipulating her clothing and entertainment choices, then you can move up to the big leagues. Good gravy that man is horrible.
I also have to wonder if she is actually spending all that money or is it things he wanted or asked for and she is just the one that put the card down for it? This is a discussion had often in my home when my husband is trying to claim that I am spending too much money. For example, our son broke the switch lite he was given for his birthday. I am not mechanically inclined enough to see if he broke it or if it was defective, but I let him know that a new one was not in the picture. But his dad tells him he can have a new one. But he doesn't buy it, he tells me to buy it. That is so later on he can blame me for that money spent. He does this often with large purchases. I am supposed to put them on my credit card, but then when I pay the credit card, there is always the argument of why am I spending so much money. He has stopped arguing with me about it lately, not because he has seen how toxic it is, but because he has started to believe that his constant anger and arguing is bad for his health. I mean, it is, definitely, but that is not the only reason it should have stopped. Nor does it give me any reassurance that it won't continue as soon as he feels like he is all better.
mandlerparr1 I’m going be blunt. Your husband is being abusive, I know life isn’t always this easy. But I would look into dumping his ass.
I guess when this guy read that a woman is made for the man to be his helpmate, helpmate in Hebrew is actually the same word the Bible used to describe God to the people of Israel. And God is certainly not below Israel. I am certainly a Christian but I fear for these women and men who are trapped in purity culture which causes severe religious trauma. It needs to be stopped at all costs.
No one seems to care to understand that the Bible as we know it NOW, has been translated over and over and over again. To the point it seems no one bothers looking into the words they read.
Sigh, back off with the hypocrisy. Are you going to rebuke foolishness or not? If not, you can go right along with the non believers. Just don't call yourself a Christian. I've had enough of this
This reminds me so much of the Handmaid’s Tale when Fred spanks his wife. Disgusting. Wtf is all this?!
The one dislike is someone who brainwashed their young wife.
The martyr spirit inside of me will break you down. You can't stop the children of God. So back off from the church, or you will just have to kill me. The bullets are in the barrel, so why hesitate? Look into my eyes and see what you could have become
But what if I've been a very bad husband and need to be spanked badly?
Just make sure you do it as Christ spanked the church!
😅😅😅
I'll spank you ;)
This article is unreal. Thank you for sharing. I wish there were a way to study exactly how many people believe in this stuff in a real way. Like how fringe is this...?
Not nearly fringe enough, ugh
Well add this to the list of things to make sure you know about your partner before marriage. “Do you believe in spanking your wife to discipline her?”
My boyfriend who has never been involved in any church overheard me listening to Jimmy Snow’s video on this and thought this was made up.
My father is a devout Christian man in his 80's - I've shown him some of these things, he's response was "Have these lunatics ever actually read the Bible?"
But then again we live in Australia and he has massive issues with the American version of Christianity.
Ask that question, but in my experience, a lot of people know that they are abusive and that a prospective partner won't go for that kind of treatment. So oftentimes that person will lie. You're better off telling that person no and disagreeing with them from time to time so that you can observe their behavior. If that person goes into rage, tries to bully you into agreeing with them, or becomes verbally or emotionally abusive towards you (insults, guilt trips, silent treatment, etc.) until they get their way, run. Courtship is when someone is on his or her best behavior. If they act like that while dating you, it will be worse once you marry them. Of course, if someone gets physical or destructive when they're angry (break things, grab or push you, etc.), BREAK UP WITH THEM as soon as possible. They are testing you to see if you will allow it and the behavior will only escalate. They were not joking or having a bad day; do not accept an apology or tears; end the relationship. You are saving your own life.
@@limacnaughton3352 The bible describes the correct way to sell your children into slavery. I mean, if you read the original text in the Tora. Also, the King James bible is full of infanticide done with Gods blessings. So, yeah, having read the Tora and the KJB, I can say that grooming your wife is tame compared to what say.. oh.. Joshua did. Your dad is right though, they are batshit crazy.
i had hoped the title was an exaggeration. Nope. My god, are they actively trying to seem like creeps?
A lesbian, I can’t wait for my matriarchal marriage lmfaooo This guy is so insecure
SO INSECURE
Place my head on a spike and hate me venomous viper. You hate Christian's anyway, so bring your gun to the table
@@slarkelrijit3398 Persecution complex much?
Unfortunately, abuse isn't limited to men. Be careful and diligent regardless of who you marry. Just saying.
Y'all should take a look at the August 2020 Ensign. It is all about sexuality, and there are some WILD articles on how the Holy Ghost is required for "true" sexual intimacy, and lots of other amazing nuggets
Hell yeah
I just read one of the articles where there they quote Wilford woodruff and they edit out most of the quote that talks about the weird temple Masonic stuff “ “they shall pass by the angels [using all of the signs and tokens given to them in the temple so they may recieve] to their exaltation and glory [ which can only come from the ordinances of the highest piresthood] which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
Did you note the section on “Divine Purposes of Sexual Intimacy”? What utter and complete bullshit. Terrifying that there are still people that adhere to tenets that limit their natural sexuality in order to appease an imaginary being’s rules (rules made up by men) on how to avoid an imaginary hell. Endless billions of galaxies. Countless worlds. Beauty and amazement even just looking as far as our own small rock. And you think your “creator” is mostly worried about where you put your dick. SMH.
I’ve heard of couples who ‘speak in tongues’ (the ‘Holy Spirit language’ that people do in worship) during sex. Even as a young adult who believed everything without question, this seemed really strange and creepy to me!
What's wild to me is that I (a practicing roman Catholic, from a devout family) have been literally warned growning up about the kind of man who wrote this article. Absolutely none of the things he's describing would EVER fly in our house. What's more, I asked my Grandmother, who's been Catholic her whole life and is in her mid sixties, and she was never taught these ideals as a young woman. Genuinely, this is just abuse, its wild.
It’s a huge relief to hear your takes on these apologetic articles. I’m a nuanced member surrounded by people who would burn me at the stake if I ever shared some of my opinions that are similar to dive of yours. I’m not alone.
when they were talking about women being "naturally" submissive to men, my brain went on an Interesting route. "how would they explain pegging?" "probably as a sin." then "well if pegging is a sin then i'd go to hell every night." that is the best thought ive had all day so im gonna leave it here for y'all.
Thanks I hate it
There's another use of the word "grooming," which is that primatologists and other zoologists talk about intra-species grooming between equals, such as one chimpanzee picking nits out of another chimp's back. I think the human equivalent would be fine, but we don't see it much.
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Tanner saying "gotcha" after the quotes about the strawman of grooming == animal cracked me up for some reason.
BGR needs to be on fbi's watchlist
In several states the age of consent is 17 instead of 18. In a couple states, marrying off a child is legal if a parent signs off on it.
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Marriage before 18 just shouldn't be allowed. 🤢 Kids shouldn't be getting married.
I'm so glad I got out of the patriarchal family model. It's disgusting.
I'm really grateful there are people like you calling these sickos out. Imagine if you are a woman who has only heard that this is the right way to do things. Spanking? When it's not consentual? nope on a rope.
omg i was just watching stuff about onision what a coincidence lol
His ideas of the male and female natures sound like medieval humeral science. Next he'll be suggesting that you never allow your wife to eat spicy food to keep her cold and wet like she should be
Damn. This whole article is a gish gallop. Good job on taking the time to tease out each point.
These poor women who are being conditioned into thinking this is a Biblical marriage by these arrogant, self righteous men. How can a religion that is based on a Savior giving his life for others go so wrong? The Savior who condemned the self righteous Pharisees and Saducees but embraced the wayward souls that were blind, lame and poor. I believe the Bible but the man who wrote this article twisted Scripture so much that I don't even recognize how he got to where he ended up. I apologize for his actions and teachings. This is NOT what Christian Biblical marriage is. This is twisted. I weep for these women...how disturbing. Language fails me for I cannot tell you how much this disturbs me.
@Divas&DollsBeauty I think if you were to examine marriage in the Bible you would find they have a choice. Married women in the Bible (who also would be considered in "Biblical Marriages") who made impactful choices: Eve, Esther, Ruth, Job's wife, Mary (the mother of Jesus), Proverbs 31 woman, Bathsheba, Deborah, Sapphira, Jael, Rachel and Leah to name a few. It's people like the man who wrote this article that cherry pick the Bible to fit their own needs that pervert Bible marriage. They add their own thoughts, desires and intents to the Bible (which is an abomination to God (pretty much the worst sin ever)) instead of actually just doing what the Bible says. If a man loves his wife as much as or more than himself, don't you think she'd have a choice? She'd be loved, spoiled and her needs taken care of instead of abused and "groomed". People run past that verse and harp on the submit part. Submit doesn't mean the husband is a taskmaster it means that he has the final say. Why? Well read in Genesis about Eve and the curse that was put on women because of her sin...that's why. Submit doesn't mean you don't have a choice or opinion.
Sorry to point this out but there a few thjngs we should straighten out first. That quick Google search you did was great but let's go deeper! First of all, the Bible was written in Hebrew, some Aramaic, and Greek. Secondly, men did write the Bible; however, God used them to write the Bible and inspired their very thoughts and words. Thirdly, the Bible does translate into English. It was first officially translated in 1611 by the order of King James I. He chose the top Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic scholars to translate the Bible into the English language. It was revised a few times due to archaic spellings, word and grammar. That Bible is the King James Version Bible or KJV. Now that we got our facts out...Yes, I believe the Bible is true and is the literal Word of God. Let's not just regurgitate stuff we've heard or Google searched. Let's talk about stuff that is true. Your ball!
@Divas&DollsBeauty The culture was different than it is today. I agree. However, I'm not an expert in Bible times Hebrew culture. People who followed after un-biblical things gave their daughters to men to during that time too. Everyone acts like this is what the Bible says and commands. That was the culture of the whole world at that tjme. In some Arabic and Indian countries, people still do it today. May I ask how you know they didn't have a choice? Because Rebecca when she married Isaac was given a choice. Her story is in Genesis. She was given the choice to go marry Isaac or not. She decided to marry him. Mary had a choice to marry Joseph. I mean where in the Bible does it command fathers to choose their daughters mate? Book, chapter and verse please.
Divas&DollsBeauty “sexiest book” I see you’ve read Song of Solomon
@@CesaraGal kjv...ha. Who says it's the best version? Scholars dont think that at all. Kjv sounds fancy, but actually it's an ok-level translation at best. You need to look at the explanations from good scholars coming from a variety in backgrounds. Seems like your biblical knowledge is good, but this is a matter of linguistics, semantics and translation. Besides, meanings shift and KJV already uses outdated turns of phrase that have different meanings to a 20th/21st century audience. I believe the bible is the word of God, but it doesnt mean kjv is the "best" way to try and understand it.
Wow First ! haha
BTW I just came to find your lovely channel again, because I'm meeting again (via Zoom) with a pair of young Mormon missionaries, for another street epistemology interview/discussion.
This week's topic will be about how they can have confident belief in prophets, especially the 13 alleged prophets living today.
Any pointers of what QUESTIONS would be useful to give them to consider would be really helpful 🐢
or any other advice specific for these cult members. (we have a very friendly rapport, and they seem more open to be genuine with me about their beliefs and possible doubts than many others on a mission.)
Exmo here, want to video chat to brainstorm? Look me up on Facebook. Matthew johnson that went to byu and lives in Redmond.
Tell them to watch,or listen to, the last two, “Mormon Stories”.. They are on the book of Abraham and it’s the best conclusive evidence I’ve ever heard agains (prophet #1) Joseph Smith’s abilities.
Thank you @@sistersubdued9503 I'm checking that out now
Hey @@matthewjohnson3656
That's cool of you to offer. sure I'll hit you up there in the morning :)
I can't. I honestly thought that that was a satirical website. So I looked it up and the more I read, the bigger my eyes got. I got more and more horrified, but once I got to the wife-spanking, I had to go. What is wrong with people? What poor Christian wives are putting up with this kind of abuse? The man who wrote that article is a monster and he is not a believer. Neither God nor Jesus would ever sanction abuse or control of women. Biblical submission is not equal to male domination and subjugation.
Wow so disgusting. Can't believe people still think like this! I feel sorry for any woman in this situation. Hopefully she had the intelligence and courage to get out
No, they accept it and trump their husbands. This shit BGR defends is christian domestic discipline. If you make a quick research on google, you'll se many women defending this. It's horrible, and this movement is growing more and more.
Unfortunately according to the comments, she was entered into a “counseling couple” who supports this and is working toward this mind set. 😭 BREAKS MY HEART! I want to know her name and go save her!!!!
You two seem badass. I wanna hang out with you guys! 😂 I went to catholic school for 7 years and I’m so happy that I lost my faith in high school. Was never exposed to this part of Christianity but I remember the amount of shame and guilt I constantly felt. I remember telling a boy I liked him in 1st grade and feeling such an extreme amount of shame and guilt, I thought I was going to hell. I prayed about it for years. I told the priest in confession. (10 Hail Marys and god forgave me) 😂 looking back, I feel so bad for my younger self. I appreciate people like you sharing your stories and opinions.
Welp.....on the other hand, I totally appreciate you talking about this! Thanks for sacrificing your own sanity to keep the community informed on how the "other half" thinks. (I hope it isn't half of the population but you know what I mean!)
YIKES! This can't possibly be real!!! It's the most nauseating thing ever.How in the world do you find these things?!? What woman would stay in a "marriage" such as this?
I'm amazed this dude is even capable of writing an article!
Yes and many Christians took a stand against that article. Many woman pastors as well! :)
I'm calling it. The "adult/child paradigm" shit he mentions are the mental gymnastics he uses to blur the lines between women and the children he preys on.
Yup
That guy is basically acussing "humanist christians" of being decent human beings. I'm a bisexual, democratic socialst, interseccional feminist, Catholic. I am very proud of being bisexual, of being a democratic socialist, of being an interseccional feminist (i am in favour of abprtion being legal though i wouldn't choose it for myself) and of being Catholic (even though i don't agree with A LOT of thing the church preaches and orders). I do "cherry pick" the bible, but that is because a- everyone does it, and b- there is a lot of things that have to do with the culture of the time and do not apply nowadays. But i follow the most important things i try to respect and love everyone (unless they are abusive assholes) and i try to help people (i volunteer in social organizations and i'm literally studying ingernational reations so i can work with an NGO to help refugees and that was inflienced by my catholicism).
I am not a "go every sunday to church" type but i do try to follow Jesus teachings and i just try to be a decent human being (just to clarify, you don't need to be catholic to be a decent human being, everyone can as long as they are not assholes)
A thought - people who get married at a young age (18 for example) have higher divorce rates. This is because young adulthood is a turbulent period of change, and sometimes people grow apart rather than together. I imagine the kinds of men who write/listen to articles like these might feel threatened by their young wives' growing maturity because it means they'll lose them. Rather than communicating any issues or expressing their fears, these men want to change their wives before they change on their own. They rewire a woman from achieving her personal goals to working towards his goals alone. They cause her to identify her happiness as his happiness alone. She is meant to serve her husband without question and find joy from it. This way, how could she possibly focus on anything else? How could she possibly want more than him? She is conditioned at her most vulnerable period of change so that she will never leave. Some women who go through this struggle to recognize that they are being abused, and when they do, some feel like it is too late for them to get out of the situation because they feel like they have no other options, since they weren't allowed time to reflect on their own life's purpose. But it is NEVER too late.
I would LOVE to see a video on the hill cumorah pageant, if you have any experience with it. I was in it for 6 years (my mom is currently the primary president for it) and 2 of those years i was not a believing mormon. it’s so interesting how cult-y it gets, and just throwing this idea out there, but i would love to do some sort of a collab or cameo if you do make a video on it, talking about my experience !!
Omg yes,it’s so bizarre. I went when I was 12 and thought is was so inspired
Oh my gosh. Hello and that would be a great video! My mom was in the hair and wigs department and my whole family had some very interesting experiences while there. Would also do be down to give my two cents for such a video!
Is that the pageant they're spoofing at the beginning of the Book of Mormon musical, or something else entirely?
Just sickening
The beach comment about the 7 year olds resonated a lot with me.
I have a 3 year old daughter who loves bopping around topless, bottomless, and just plain naked. I don't blame her! Clothing can be uncomfortable.
And ALREADY my family is like, "isn't she getting too old to run around like that" or "don't you think that's a bit strange?"
Uhhh... No? She's a toddler and has no concept of whatever gross shit you're implying.
(Plus, she potty trained way sooner than her peers and I think the lack of diapers is what really helped!!)
SO gross that anyone would think a THREE-YEAR-OLD is too old to be naked!!!!!!
There is no age limit for pants hatred they should be banned
Mine loved running around naked, and on sunny summer days in the yard, had great fun, but never in public, not about shame, about creeps and zoom lenses.
KimPansey i mean yeah but creeps with zoom lenses are still a problem regardless.
@@JacquelineUnderwood Creeps with zoom lenses find little naked girls far more exciting and the pictures are far more sellable/tradeable than little girls with clothes on. The little girls are NOT dirty or bad or whatever, they are innocent, but the world isn't. I think it's better to protect them, around age 4 is a good time to start learning about good touches/wrong touches and which parts are private. For us, 3 was the summer of naked in our yard/home only. Let me add, in the 70's I spent almost a year at a clothing optional, what the locals called a "hippie colony", I'm not a prude and have no problem with the human body. I do understand there is a big difference between the way things should be and the way they are.
First off, UGH THIS IS SO TOXIC! I wanted to chime in about the husband's requirement to have sex with his wife. It's true that in the Old Testament husbands are commanded by God to grant their wives their "conjugal rights" regularly, but the reverse command is never given to the wife. It's interesting. I'm not sure about the second part of that thought--about how she can't exert force or whatever this guy was saying--I have a feeling that's his own commentary on the matter. 🙄 Anyway, my husband and I (we're both Christians) used very traditional vows in our marriage ceremony, and his portion of the vows included promising me all his "conjugal affections", but mine didn't include the same for him. We both found that interesting!
I am one minute and twenty-nine seconds into this and I just yelled WTF?!
YUP
I wish there was more emphasis on the Hebrew translation and context of all these words in bible like "submit" and "head of" . in reference to wives and husband the Hebrew words reveal a military analogy something like " wives should be deployed in support and defense of their husbands" VERY different from what this man wrote about. She's you're teammate! Your best 2nd lieutenant. She's on your side and by your side through thick and thin!
I remember seeing “Christian spanking relationships” a couple years ago and being horrified. Like, bdsm is consensual, that’s abuse. It’s honestly just a yikes from me. Those poor women.
About 29:30, I agree with Tanner, I feel like Sam is miss reading this part, it does say that husbands can’t deny their wives, but then it saying that wives can’t demand being sexually satisfied. The way I interpreted that is that you’re not supposed to deny your wife sex, but you’re under no obligation to make it good for her. But husbands are allowed that there to demand their wives make it good for them.
Yeah, I misunderstood for sure!
- Sam :)
Did anyone else get the sense that these “young brides” couldn’t read? The article kept saying “teach your wife” “tell your wife about what’s in the Bible,” lmao 😄
Discovered this article a week or two ago...couldn’t even read the whole thing. It was just too much.
I really like this video and I can't believe this man wrote this, it is shocking and upsetting. You made a lot of really excellent points. I just want to point out that you misunderstood the word "ravished" in that proverbs passage. That translation is most likely the King James and so that word is a sort of antiquated one being used in a way we don't use it now. For someone to be ravished by someone else's love would mean to be enraptured by their love. The connotation would be a wild passionate feeling but not a cruel or harmful one. This is not the same thing as saying "to ravish someone" which could possibly mean a rape but it could also be consensual. But this is not saying he should ravish her but he himself should be ravished by her love. The word in the Hebrew, tiš·geh, means something more like exhilarated or even intoxicated. I just wanted to point that out because I have a passion for linguistics but also because I often feel like the King James translation confuses people a lot because a lot of the words it uses are so out of use now and people can be mislead.
BGR: YOU NEED TO MARRY CHILDREN FOR JESUS!
Me: FBI OPEN UP!!!!
lmao
BGR fully approves marital rape. He believes wives have no right to say no. In fact, he says women who have unavoidable pain with sex must not only give in to intercourse but also do so cheerfully and conceal their pain for hubby's comfort.
If the wife see this, get out while you can. He thinks he's patently better than you and will always be resistant to any valid point you bring up. That's not the way a healthy relationship should be.
Those men are sick. They don’t deserve good strong women. Marriage is a partnership and equal. One isn’t in control. Don’t hide behind your religion to abuse your partner. Disgusting and unforgivable. People like that don’t change. Makes me sick.
This article is disgusting. I hope the police find and investigate the author.
Its interesting - the fine line between religious ritual and sado-masochism. Its the game that the religious authority plays. He pulls the strings and plays the congregants. Love you guys.
I think one of the most tragic effect of abuse like this is the flinches it will create in other areas of their lives. So sad!
Terrifying ... people think like this!? 🤮
I'm not even a christian (I grew up CofE but I guesswhat that guy considers humanist christian?? - in so much as we were not told to treat people like shit) but recently read that proverbs passage (the one about loving/ravishing the wife of your youth) after watching someone reacting to a girl defined vid; the original vid they were trying to say there's lots of places in the bible that have beautiful women but also tried to use it to justify this whole idea of modesty and being beautiful but not seductive (or some bs...idk, it made my eye twitch). They'd done the whole "the bible says in x" (that none specific thing those kind of people do, where they pick a book and a vague passage but no the exact line because that requires research and examining context) & a pet peeve of mine is people using the bible as their excuse to be a shitty human. So of course I had to look up those sections (think it was like proverbs 5 & 7, another proverbs and titus 2 ... surprise surprise not one of them supported their point).
Proverbs 5, the one he's referencing (and of course using the King James version as the language in NIV is mildly less problematic), is actually a caution to men about not being adultery, to not go after married/adulterous, it's like "why go after another man's wife when you have a wife at home who can satisfy you." I really shouldn't ever be surprised, yet I always end up that that these imbeciles who use the bible to justify their abusive behaviours not only take out of context and twist the bible to suit their own meaning, they can't even be bothered to find the right passage to support their shitty behaviour - it's the cookie cutter "it's probably in proverbs and hey, I heard this bit once, I can make that work". If they really believed in the bible the way they say then Titus 2:3-5 ("Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God." ) is more in line with what he was looking for, but that would open him up to pointing out the rest of Titus 2 about how men should be behaving (it also has the gross slavery shit in it too though, so... .so let's not put much stock in Titus anyway). I guess my point is, these idiots can't ever seem to even pick the right/appropriate scripture to support their shittynenss, when there's likely a passage or verse to support any of their bad behaviour if they only looked properly; which just confirms they're not even the biblicist they claim but rather they want to use it as a protection of their lousy, outdated treatment of women. That said, anyone who can take and conflate one meaning of grooming with another...I shouldn't be surprised. What a vile man and obviously one of those small weak little men who writes his blog and "mentors couples" as an outlet to the fact that he not only cannot control his wife, but likely she wears the trousers in their relationship & probably is the main breadwinner. Those kinds of relationships never end well, his bitterness will come out one way or another.
As for the guy who wrote to him in the first place (if anyone actually did write to him). I hope that the 18yo woman runs as far away as she can while she still can.
Watching this again years later, still makes m so angry that therr are people out there who actually treat women like that.
Ew I remember seeing someone share this. Is this the guy with the gross blog on the same subjects? Edit: NVM it definitely is..
this makes me feel so uncomfortable. im so glad i left the church before i was old enough to get this far.
The real church isn't like that. The author of that article is not a real Christian and he has never met Jesus. He is an abuser using Scripture to control his wife.
This is HORRIFYING. Horrifying. I cannot believe this is something people take seriously and “groom” their young wives.
A Jesus crispy 26 year old waiter at my 17 year old at the time twin sister’s job preyed on her using religion. “Let’s pray together 😌🙏”, now they’re engaged. I’m a Christian, but it makes me resent religious people.
This article sent endless shivers up my spine.
The behavioral conditioning associated with spousal abuse is called learned helplessness.
In a now disallowed experiment, dogs were subjected to shocks painful enough to cause them to urinate defecate and cry out. They were prevented from escaping the shock. After the shock was administered as sufficient number of times, and escape was offered. However the dogs would simply receive the shocks and no longer attempt to flee even though there was a clear escape.
Ok I was definitely wrong about the sex stuff haha, NOT a win for women
Is this for real??? Insane!!!
I’m so uncomfortable right now
This article does feel like satire, but so gross and seriously whoever this guy is should be investigated.
I feel so bad for the woman who is being “groomed.”
I keep laughing out loud, but then having to remember THIS IS REAL for some poor young religious wives out there...
So I sober up and try to take this absurdity seriously.
But god Damn the lack of insight by these pathetic beginner patriarchs is so comedic I must smack my forehead to keep the laughter in 😖
I’ve never heard of anyone spanking their wife for punishment, this is so bizarre & kinda effed up.
As a lifelong pagan feminist this is viscerally repulsive to my deepest core 💀💀💀
Spanking should be for sex, not for punishment for spending too much money.
HOLY F**** I can't belief ...ok I just don't want to belief this can be OMGoodness thanks for this video
“moulding your wife” sounds like some pedo Pygmalion fan fiction
Btw love how your tshirt and head band are colour coordinated 💁🏽♀️
My heartgoes out to the women who are sujected to this utter bullshit. The gender roles website is a how to guide for men to be physically, psychologically, financially and spiritually abusive.
Is the pattern on that bandana elephants? Omg I'm wearing the exact same one almost the exact same way. Lmaoi. It's used as a headband but over my forehead, and under my hair. Too funny and uncanny
Wait, I usually do. I'm using it as a mask today. Lol
This is literally what they mean by traditional family values. At least in part. So when they talk about the traditional family unit being threatened, they may very well be upset that you want to help less women be spanked/beaten and controlled by their husbands.
I am a Christian and this isn't true biblical Christianity.
The comment section of that article is appalling, mainly because people actually agree with him
I know! I went on the comments just to see what was there!!!
Is it just me, or is it rather telling that BGR doesn’t stop to address the actual conflict around budgeting and only talks about ‘discipline’. Perhaps he should ask if the wife’s budget includes groceries and other household shopping, because if it does, being consistently over budget may be because she’s a teenager who has (I’m assuming) never lived alone, and maybe they should look over receipts to see where she could cut back, or even if Robert has simply underestimated how much cost an extra person would add to the monthly expenses. Are we talking spending on designer clothes or name brand detergent?
Honestly some men don’t even put their wives monthly feminine products in the budget. Like of course if you’re only budgeting for food and gas there’s going to be “overspending”. Like
Hellooo remember shampoo and tampons? Lol
Now I gotta do some detective work and figure out if me or my partner are in control because we assumed I was pretty fifty/fifty with him this whole time. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I'm glad you preface that not all Christians are like this. Because this is disgusting. It makes me very sad to think that there are people claiming Christ out there who are like this.
I just saw this video posted on reddit, decided to see the video on UA-cam so you can get the number, and I haven’t even finished it but this is just the stupidest thing
Corporal punishment is literally the worst way to "punish" anyone. We know this.
"God gave them a brain...." No the tree of knowledge gave us a brain. That's the original sin knowing right from wrong. Honestly, could see why the Abrahamic god wouldn't want us knowing that.
The only reason why he didnt want us to have that and the tree of life( which would give them eternal life) was because he didnt want us to become like HIM. He was afraid of not being the only boss. Remember, the older ideas about the Christian god, espacially in the bible, were very different. I mean there were other gods, its just that the god of the bible had the biggest dick among them.
@@justadude7752 You do know the Jews wrote that, right?
@@moorek1967 yep, what in my comment made you think I didnt know that? The ideas that get around about the Christian god, including how they view the story of the old testament are very different to how the jews would Interpret them. Do you realize that Christians still think that its the same god, their god? Thats what I'm criticizing. The fact that Christians make up their ideas about these stories when the people of the time(the jews) wanted to say very different things
@@justadude7752 It's the same God, just a new testament.
But how do you think I view the OT and most Jews do as well? It is about the morality tales. Did these things really happen the way it is written? We don't know. But what we can know is that in these tales, there is always a consequence for actions.
Also, I am not a Flat Earther nor a Young Eather.
@@moorek1967 the thing is tho that the stories in the OT and NT do make the god character very different.
One can definitly think about the stories in that way and I would actually prefer them to since that way they dont have to make up false ideas about our reality to fit those stories.
No worries here. Never thought you were.
I hope I can one day read something like this while laughing instead of feeling horrible because I don't have the finances to leave my extremist community yet and I'm living this. Well....I'm not married but ya know. The gender roles and all that
I’m so sorry! 💜💜💜💜
@@ZelphOntheShelf Well your videos actually help a lot! They help me see people 'on the other side' of the mess I'm in
There is a community here when you get out. Check out the Freedom From Religion Foundation, the secular therapy project, and if you need funds ModestNeeds.org
If I was gonna write a troll blog of my previous religion this is how I would do it. If this is real it is literally the worst, if not it's absolute gold! Hopefully this shows Christians what can be justified using Bible. If the blog does one on justifying slavery its definitely a troll.
Please is there a way to report this website?! The whole website is bad!!
Just passed your comment re:kids at the beach. I'm all for children not being sexualised, but the beach example doesn't work for me. I have a 7 year old step-daughter. My partner and I always encourage body confidence and autonomy. With that in mind, I wouldn't shame her at the beach for any exposure she wants at her age, but I am also aware of the two facts that a) there are predatory men out there and b) that it's my partners and my role to protect her from harm... So I'm a bit torn with that. She has dashed through the house nude more than once, but the wider society can be a dangerous place.
It's disgusting that there is that need to shield her, but the need IS real...
I think pedophiles are pedophiles regardless of what children are wearing. No one ever saw a topless child and became a pedophile because of it. No one ever decided to act on their instincts because a child was topless-the instincts were fully formed before. (Often because THEY experienced pedophilia as children, unfortunately ☹️) I don’t see how a tiny bit of fabric over a female child’s chest makes a difference.
But I also understand how conflicting it must be being an actual parent to a child! Totally understand that you might choose to make certain decisions because you want to protect them. 💜
Of course pedophiles are going to pedophile, and I don't think encouraging my step-daughter cover up in public is going to stop that. I also don't like the idea of her being sexualised further in the minds of such damaged people than is inevitable by not encouraging that behaviour.
It may be that it doesn't matter what I do, as I don't share a pedophiles mindset. So I act in accordance of how I think may lessen the threat. As I said, if she does take items of clothing off, I don't berate her. She's too young to get it. But the reasons I have to encourage what should be unnecessary are laid out. I don't know what objections you've had to that statement in the past, but I think you get my point.
I'm unable to have children so getting to act in that role means quite a bit to me as I've always had a strong paternal instinct (I have 2 cats that were filling that void for me, but, bizarrely, I get more satisfaction raising a human 😆) . I will do as much as I can to shield her from the dangers of the world while trying to maintain wonder with it as much as I can. Sometimes those two aspects of parenting conflict. All I can do is hope I don't mess up too badly. Either way just wanted to lay out my reasons, at least, for why this raised an eyebrow for me.
Well I made it 2 min before quitting in disgust, like what the actual hell. Congrats for making it through this list, it sounds just so revolting and it's just begun. This almost makes me want to join satanism out of spite.
Different eyeliner look Sam? Or is it just me?
Flashback to that time in college that I got offended when a friend called people animals. My bad, sorry... Thank god I've changed since then.
Also such a disgusting sentiment. What is wrong with these people? This makes me so uncomfortable.
I went a bit harder than usual haha ;)