Visiting England for Tolkien Tour, Rings of Power Sneak Peek, & Showrunner Q&A!
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- I was recently invited by Amazon to go to London to take part in an event centered around the new series The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. This is my travel vlog from the entire trip, including seeing some of London's sights, our day trip to Oxford, and my thoughts and reactions to the footage we saw and the Q&A we had with the showrunners.
This is my first ever travel vid, so let me know in the comments if you'd enjoy similar videos on other Tolkien destinations/events! I'm totally open to suggestions as well!
00:00-03:34 Day 1: London Sights
03:34-13:37 Day 2: Oxford
13:37-15:57 Day 3: Harry Potter Studio Tour
15:57-22:05 Footage/QA Reaction - My thoughts
22:05-24:33 Reactions from Others
24:33-29:45 Final Thoughts
#ringsofpower #lordoftherings #lotronprime - Розваги
Apparently, this needs a TL;DW so here's a quick summary of my feelings on the footage/QA.
Before the trip, I was cautious about the show, with a decent number of concerns. (No surprise to those who have been around the channel.) After speaking with the showrunners, I'm not as concerned about many of those things, but still have some points on which I'm skeptical, but I'm willing to give the show a chance to prove me wrong. At the end of the day, the showrunners can have all the passion and knowledge in the world, but fail in the execution. I hope they don't because it would be much for fun to cover a good show than a bad one, but if it falls short, I'll be right here as we do a post-mortem together. lol.
As far as the footage, while I can't get into specifics, it was well produced. There wasn't enough there to formulate any opinion on plotlines, characters, etc - pretty much just visuals and audio.
As I've always maintained, I'm not gonna judge the show until I actually see it. I'll certainly give more thoughts to share going forward, but wanted to give folks something a bit more concise than my rambling thoughts in the vid. And if you think NOTR can be bought off by a few days in London and a raincoat, you know nothing of the stubbornness of dwarves. Baruk Khazâd, my friends.
Can't wait for September 2nd to see if its a masterpiece or a failure (kinda stressed about the timeline condensation)
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The issue some of us have is that you made a video with a positive vibe towards this project instead of just telling us you made a trip to the showing and leaving it at that. The people you had on video with you were so enthusiastic they acted like teenage groupies. It's like watching "white monkeys" (Chinese paid westerners) spew ridiculous pro communist propaganda, even though they know the truth.
My qualm is just that this ISN'T Tolkien. Art nowadays is reduced to what we have in our current vernacular: "content" almost inevitably part of "franchises" etc. Tolkien's body of work is already laid in stone. Whatever this thing is that Amazon is doing exists (of course) outside of it. While it won't take away or change what he did I'll copy and paste my comment and another users comments in these regards to expound on this:
"....I disagree with their approach to creating volumes of their own original material and putting it forward with money, platform, and involvement with specific Tolkien entities, and putting it forward in a way that makes the cultural consciousness accept this as part of Tolkien's body of works. Creating their own story in the large gaps between the connect-the-dots and all because a studio wanted to acquire a name that would make them the big bucks. That's why this all started. Amazon reached out to people for that and no matter how passionate anyone on this project is, that's how it started, and it goes forward with a huge company with lots of shareholders and stakeholders and producers and corporate executives to enforce that. And to anyone who might counter-argue that The Lord of the Rings was born from a similar request by Tolkien's publisher, a comparison of both situations will immediately expose the VERY wide gap that exists between those two situations. [This show] is going to be far easier to digest for the general public than taking the time to go through The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales so I just hope whatever happens it doesn't subplant the general cultural consciousness of the source material."
From Anthony:
"How much can you change Tolkien's work before it becomes something else? They may have created a wonderfully produced story. However, the rewrites and additions have made it something other than Tolkien. They should own that and give it another name. I consider it expensive fan fiction."
I certainly hope that yourself and your fellow content creators will maintain your objectivity. I've already witnessed "scholars " rationalizing the inclusion of racial politics at the sacrifice of the lore. I am not as knowledgeable as most on Tolkien, but I clearly understand where his stories fit in this world. I hold them sacred.
Oh, is Annatar (Amazon) already bringing the gifts??
No, one gift...to rule them all...one to find them...one to bring them all...and in the darkness bind them...
@@avrace2708 🤣🤣🤣
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This feels exactly like Sauron (Amazon) giving 9 rings to mortal kings (UA-camrs) to corrupt them.
So are they gonna become the Shazgul, The Shill Wraiths?
How long has it been since Saruman bought you? What was the promised price Fake Fans? When all the lore is dead you would take your share of the treasure?
this
Yeah man. Also I was digging up in this channel and his fisrt video is about the Amazon show. Suspicious...
@@erickronin1330 How is that supposed to matter with what content someone starts his channel? Maybe the news of a new series just inspired him to educate people about Tolkien's lore and world?
Careful brother, dealing with Amazon is one slippery step from becoming the voice of Sauron.
Y’all weird 😂
@@toothlesswonder8638 shill
If they say it’s not what the trailer portrays. Then why not show another trailer. Instead of giving an all expense paid trip, get reviewer’s gifts and befriend them to get them to change peoples minds
As long as they choose Maldonado over Shippey, they shall not pass. They gave up knowing the authors intent and history of the writings for a D.E.I. interpretation. It’s like giving up a steak dinner in favors of a box of crackers.
Thing is the films also did that. Elves at Helm's Deep? No Glorfindel? Tolkien would have hated it.
@@andystevens2772 I concur with your statement as written but ask you if 20 years later, are we not able to do better? They chose the path they are on. Wide is that road of deception, narrow is that of truth. The fandom of Tolkien is a narrow road, the population of this planet is the wider. Who will bring more profits initially but of course we know where that road leads.
She is not an official scholar, never has been
Don't allow the Lord of Gifts I mean Amazon to corrupt your soul
Amazon doing their best Annatar impersonation.
Releasing the show on the day of Tolkein's death is taking the piss. Did anyone of you ask them why they were dishonouring the man and not releasing it on the 22nd instead?
I would love to ask that question tbh, bc it’s such a bizarre choice of date. (I would’ve rather enjoyed the 22nd as well) I considered asking, but it decided it would’ve been a wasted question, as that would be a marketing/scheduling dept decision, not a showrunner one.
@@NerdoftheRings My oldest son, who is eight, was born on the 40th anniversary of Tolkien's departure from this earth. Weird stuff.
It also means his 9th B-day will be the day of the RoP debut. WTF?
Hey, my son and your son share the same birthday and birthyear. Crazy internet.
@@Jboobsi That's really cool!
@@NerdoftheRings why didn't you ask that though? Why didn't you ask them the glaring questions such as why they completely changed Galadriel's character or why they're race and gender swapping various characters?
This show is going to be absolutely terrible, especially for anyone that is a Tolkein fan
It’s obvious that the marketing has been abysmal up to this point. An interview with the show runners would be interesting at least. The question is, why haven’t they? Why invite reviewers who then can’t talk about it? All this still seems pretty fishy, unfortunately!
If the show runners were honest and passionate (like he keeps claiming in video), then they would have presented their opinions on camera. Not off-camera and away from recording devices.
@@TheBigExclusive Exactly. How about infecting the fans with the unbridled enthusiasm of McKay/Payne? I’m not saying NerdOfTheRings isn’t honest, I just wish they would let the fandom take part in the anticipation. They are just wary of the backlash, I’d say. On the other hand, that can’t really be the case if you come out of the gates with every provocative woke tactic in the book.
@@Puma5 there is also the possibility tbey are telling NerdofTheRings one thing, but don't actually believe it. It's all lies just to hype up Lord of the Rings UA-camrs.
Well compare it to the new game of thrones, which has almost no marketing so far as well. A lot of the marketing will happen in 2-3 months leading up to it, which is pretty normal
@@zachm2133 Last thing we need to hear about is game of thrones which every show is trying to be. I think they even said they wanted to copy game of thrones. So I fully expect an incest scene in rings of power since Hollywood seems to think the game of thrones is about swearing, incest, sex, and gore. Just look at star trek. Hell even scenes that are a 1-to-1 recreation of scenes from game of thrones. Talentless hacks. Speaking of star trek the same people who made the awful star trek movies are making the rings of power. They couldn't even stay faithful to star trek so no chance they will with lord of the rings. Amazon don't even own the rights to the second age and they want to cram 1000's of years into a single time period....
Sounds like the corporate hacks are trying to buy favor. No offense but that is my take after 20 years of corporate experience.
Marketing is pretty standard, but they have to show something decent for that to work.
Have have to show something decent for their marketing to work, but they can still spend a boatload of money on marketing AND hope it makes a difference if their produce is mediocre or poor. That’s what I’m worried about as it sure looks like that is the situation this time.
The Wheel of Time's showrunner also sounded enthusiastic and passionate, but still there were major dissapointments.
Here's to being wrong!
You won't be. Rafe ruined Wheel of Time, and this will be equally bad because it has the same agenda, inexperienced people running it, and lack of respect for the lore / source material. The IP was purchased just to add faux legitimacy to whatever "modern sensibilities" fanfic they wanted to present. It's going to suck.
Maybe we will see what is west of westeros
Black elves and black dwarves. Galadriel in armour. What can possibly undo that? They're not going to suddenly erase that from the snow, are they? Multiracial Hobbits. Everything we needed to know about this desecration of Tolkien's works has already been exposed. There is no going back.
@@TomorrowWeLive What's wrong with Galadriel in armour in itself? She did take part in battles, you can read about it in Unfinished Tales.
@@SNWWRNNG I think you have the answer. Unfinished Tales, and all the History of Middle-earth, all 12 volumes, are just different versions of the published material. Would you consider deleted scenes in a bonus disc canon enough to make a film or series out of it? Tolkien's body of work, while still in progress when he died, is complex but certainly what he published when still alive is the only thing we have for a canon.
There was a similar talk/enthusiasm from the Wheel of time youtubers who where also invited...i didnt end well!
Still looks like an extremely unfaithful butchering of Tolkiens works to me
Have you heard of the term "Love Bombing"? When someone piles you with gifts and love, it becomes very difficult to say anything bad about them.
I would love to hear if they addressed the biggest concern of all - how are they depicting the second age in any kind of faithful way if they don't have access to the tales in the Silmarillion?
They're not, obviously. Did you not see the trailer?
@@samiparkkonen444 yea trash
I'm curious about that actually, idk if they will show Doriath's destruction, how Eryn Galen came to existence, atleast a bit of Oropher's migration. Have to admit I would like to see a bit of Thranduil but he's probably not going to appear.
its just fan fiction at this point.
@@purefoldnz3070 more like bezos fiction, didn’t he want game of thrones? I suppose he just sees us as fans that moan. They have no idea what Tolkien liked if they think that he would have approved of any of this.
So when the show bombs as it should, will you explain the things that "pleasantly surprised" you, or will you suddenly agree with 99% of the fans that think this show is irredeemable gargabe?
Go away
He will just review every episode and talk about it like its some genius work of art that deserves to be looked deeply into and keep getting paid for it. Ah also he will delete every comment thats critical of his bullshit
If you were given a full paid trip, accommodations, and gifts by Amazon to review the first few minutes, you're review can definitely seem biased.
Have you met this guy? Highly doubt it
This is getting more and more suspicious, which truly sucks
The comments or the video? the video is fine, but the comments are shocking as if they all come from the same cesspool.
@@morzansreddragon No, people love Tolkien's work, they just hate seeing it get pulled apart for no reason. Get over yourself.
@@jeremytine sounds more like cucks not liking Tolkien’s work and wanting it changed .. for some reason 🤷♂️
@@morzansreddragon Agreed
Did anyone present for this trip, ask the question of Amazon as to why they chose to attack Tolkien in their advertising strategies so far???
Anyone???
where have they attacked.
@@unpopularopinion5022 You need a match to go with the gasoline?
And why they are releasing the show on september 2nd 😠
@@ikahloayza3530 because they think they are paying respect to the great man, they are that deluded.
When I think about it, Sauron taught the elves only good things....
Damage control, they care not for the input of Tolkien fans or Tolkien scholars, they were quite happy to wheel out Instagram models as “super fans” and make the world cringe.
Don’t forget they fired Tom Shippey and replaced him
You calling our boi NOTR here an Instagram Model? ;P
@@elck3 Didn't he break an NDA?
Shippey gave a generalized and innocuous interview that was jumped on as an excuse to fire a world renowned scholar who stood in the way of their fan fiction dreams. When he went so did any sign of integrity.
@@fredwmanzo8580 what did he actually say?
If you care so much about the Story. Why FIRE Tom Shippey?
"Why FIRE Tom Shippey?" - if I was running this business and someone broke their NDA I'd fire them.
Shippey didn’t break his NDA. He gave a general interview that discussed what Amazon was authorized to use. Amazon jumped at the chance to invoke a NDA and get rid of a world renowned scholar in order to ease the production of their fan fiction project. Don’t confuse the two.
The question you should ask yourself is if Tolkien would have appreciated this adaptation of his works.
Please don't take this as defending the show because it isn't. If we use that line of reasoning, then we shouldn't appreciate the movies.
@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 if we are talking the overarching story of, Frodo takes the ring here, here, and then it's destroyed, then yes I agree it's pretty close to the books. I'm more talking it did a rather poor job adapting some major characters imo.
Don't get me wrong I love the movies, but I personally wouldn't call them very faithful.
Also I agree, this show has a likely chance of being quite awful.
@@timothymartensen9040 While Jackson may have not adapted everything from the books and changed a few things here and there, the spirit of the original story was still clearly evident throughout the movies and you can see a tremendous amount of effort in trying to truly capture the world of Tolkien.
Whereas for this show they not only have failed to capture the spirit behind Tolkien's works they seem to actively despise the original story and spirit of his works.
@occuler i didn't say Tolkien would have liked Jackson's films but if he were alive today and saw Jackson's films and then Amazon's show when it comes out, even if he hated both of them, which do you think he'd see more effort in trying to respect his works?
Even if he saw Jackson's films were as bad as Amazon's show i don't think it's any leap to say that he would see the films tried much harder in respecting the original spirit behind his books.
Tolkien wouldn't have appreciated any of them. PJ's ones included.
He didn't want them made for TV
Hi Nerd of the Rings. In all the hours that you guys had with the showrunners, did anyone bring up the 'taboo' subject of race and diversity. I think that is a subject that can be discussed in a mature way without any name calling. I personally feel Tolkien has more than enough races and regions for the show to be diverse...without meddling with established characters and races. Did anyone bring that up with the showrunners?
@@hanoilocal4115 Please don't check out Nerdrotic. Guy is only capable of making speculative videos meant to insight anger and has said some things that directly contradict Tolkien's writings without blinking.
@@hearthseeker2425 i will check out nerdrotic. Lets hear all sides.
@@hearthseeker2425 He does sound like a reactionary in his videos lol
@@canIshouldI He has been right about this shitshow, yeah haha
@@hearthseeker2425 he’s got more realistic points of view than most. I agree with a lot of his points. If you don’t like him, go check out just some guy. Don’t agree with all of his points of view, however his Tolkien bodies of work are fantastic. Most of these guys have more in common with there Jrr himself would have stood, and if you have any shadow of a doubt that he would have absolutely despised whet is happening with his works atm, you are stark raving mad! And also don’t know enough about what Tolkien himself believed in and wrote and spoke about.
But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Ilúvatar, for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself.” - The Silmarilion by J.R.R. Tolkien
Sounds like orc mischief to me!
Black elves, Black Dwarrows, Hobbits in the 2nd Age, Galadriel charging round Middle Earth hunting something for some reason, and no Celeborn.
They've already stated that they wanted the show to represent the modern USA and not ancient Europe as per the actual books.
I wish them nothing but pain, misery and the Doom of Mandos.
So painful
@Wiegraf Hardly. Racism will ALWAYS EXIST, so long as there are ethnicities which are different from one another. What matters is HOW it manifests, and to what degree.
@WiegrafThey're _literally_ making this show more 'diverse' so people who share the political views shown would watch it!
Unless of course you're just being sarcastic...
@Wiegraf no, if I’m understanding you correctly, I work impolitely suggest that the modern day leftist is responsible for creating much more racism than we had for a number of years. The “new” woke society is now celebrating re-segregating communities.
@Wiegraf On behalf of aspies who don't understand srcasm, thank you.
How much can you change Tolkien's work before it becomes something else? They may have created a wonderfully produced story. However, the rewrites and additions have made it something other than Tolkien. They should own that and give it another name. I consider it expensive fan fiction.
You say that as if it’s a bad thing…
@@annafdd Is that also an acceptable reply when a restaurant gets your order wrong?
"I consider it expensive fan fiction." - anything other than an audio-book reading of the texts qualifies as "fan fiction". Every movie adaptation of LOTR and The Hobbit have been "fan fiction".
You cannot speak with such confidence about a show which *has not come out yet.* The fact that you do shows that you are not coming into this in good faith, and are only interested in shitting on the show based on preconceived notions.
@@TheDanEdwards there's a difference between adaptation and decimation.
For those of you PRAISING the showrunners, check out the chanel "Just Some Guy"' and his video, "The Rings of Power: How this Mess Happened " (Interview with the showrunners).
The show runners are enthusiatic about the show and assure people that it is made by and for Tolkien fans. Hmmm what does that remind me of ?? Yes, I remembered ! When Kevin Smith assured people that Masters of the Universe will be for MOU fans and He-Man will be featured as the protagonist as in the original. First episode, they kill off He-Man and give his role to Teela who has a female head on a muscular male body with that ridicilous hair style that has been a norm in Hollywood. Damn, she was even bigger than He-Man. Matt, I really appreciate what you are doing and I will always support as long as you give us real Tolkien content as you've been doing but beware of these Hollywood producers as they have already sold their souls to Morgoth and become his servants in the process.
This show is a non started already for me no matter what they paint it. Galadriel is not a warrior and there are no black elves, dwarves and Hobbits in JRR Tolkien's world.
@@Ancientreapers I personally don't mind Hobbits and Dwarves. Elves are described as fair, though.
It reminds me of close to any old franchise under new management. Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, He-Man and I bet there is still a bunch that can be added. It's always "for the new generation" but also "for the old fans". It mostly means "We take the names and some recognizable looks, the worst writers, appear super duper progressive (without really having to be), pump the product to the brim with fan-service elements that scream "you remember...?!" and ignore everything that actually makes a great work of that universe". Kevin Smith also did the very same thing for Star Wars as well. Lost all the respect I had for him.
@@valeriacaissa4552 check out nerdrotic, I’ve been watching him for years. He’s really spot on most of the time.
@@jamesf333 Thanks for the heads-up, I sometimes did came across nerdrotic, really not bad at all :)
A great trip for Tolkien fans is in Lancashire and its called the Tolkien Trail. Its a 6 mile hike that Tolkien took while writing Middle Earth and is his inspiration for much of the Shire!
Would love to go!
I lived in Lancashire my entire childhood and did not know this.
Very cool, will look into this!
For the Yanks: pronounced “Lanca • sure”.
You’re welcome Brits.
Cheers,
a Canuck
I heard a lot of inspiration for The Shire came from Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland. 🤔
Were there any "Superfans" on the meeting? Or have Amazon decided to drop that act?
Amazon's do over for their "superfans" failure is really making me mad. Now their P.R. just feels manipulative (which, I guess is the point of P.R. in technicality). I disagree with their approach to creating volumes of their own original material and putting it forward with money, platform, and involvement with specific Tolkien entities, and putting it forward in a way that makes the cultural consciousness accept this as part of Tolkien's body of works. Creating their own story in the large gaps between the connect-the-dots and all because a studio wanted to acquire a name that would make them the big bucks. That's why this all started. Amazon reached out to people for that and no matter how passionate anyone on this project is, that's how it started, and it goes forward with a huge company with lots of shareholders and stakeholders and producers and corporate executives to enforce that. And to anyone who might counter-argue that The Lord of the Rings was born from a similar request by Tolkien's publisher, a comparison of both situations will immediately expose the VERY wide gap that exists between those two situations. It's going to be far easier to digest for the general public than taking the time to go through The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales so I just hope whatever happens it doesn't subplant the general cultural consciousness of the source material.
I think the Tolkien Estate specifically sold the 2nd age material (from the appendices) and are holding onto the rights to the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales.
Yes, you are correct! Which is why I'm worried that the general public's understanding of the 2nd age will come from Amazon's made up narratives and not from the material where most of the 2nd age can be found albeit which Amazon doesn't even have the rights to. I know that particular detail is vexing to many folks (myself included) of its own accord.
I should mention that while it's vexing that they don't have the rights, that's a double-edged sword because I also hope they never acquire them.
@@parker2520 people already think England had black royalty because of Bridgerton
TLDR sir, TLDR. You can REEE about greed or business strategy or make allegations of deceptive PR all you want, everyone knows this is just a show that will be different but somewhat based in the books. Nobody is sneaking into your house and stealing the Tolkien off your shelves. If anything it will inspire people to read Tolkien like every other film or cartoon adaptation has. And man, have we had some terrible ones! FOR GOODNESS SAKES SOVIET RUSSIA MADE A VERSION OF THE HOBBIT! You can stop reeeing about the capitalist pigs desecrating tolkien's grave since the hope of all communism has already made you and JRRT safe by making their own obscure hobbit film. 😊
I don't see how you can be optimistic about a show that is completely rewriting Galadriel's story, and introducing three new "diverse" characters as mains in the story. Not even touching on the fact that there shouldn't even be any wizards or hobbits in this from the get go.
Because $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Amazon should have invited those that are more skeptical after the first trailer drop so that we can see if their opinions changed for the better, worse or the same after the screening shown.
Even those would have been influenced. ANY time you have a company wine and dine you, you’re definitely going to keep your sweet access hat on.. for future chances.
Black elves and black dwarves. Galadriel in armour. What can possibly undo that? They're not going to suddenly erase that from the snow, are they? Multiracial Hobbits. Everything we needed to know about this desecration of Tolkien's works has already been exposed. There is no going back.
@@TomorrowWeLive that's what makes my skin crawl when I read sentences like "I'm waiting until it releases to form an opinion" or "hopefully they prove me wrong" or "they better do the right thing!" there IS no doing the right thing at this point. There is 0% chance whatsoever that they will change stuff that would require pretty much redoing the whole show, like galadriel like black dwarves and elves. And if they're not going to redo stuff like that, it doesn't matter how pretty the show will look, those should be dealbreakers to anyone who cares about Tolkien.
To pretend they could make this show work is to make a deal with sauron. You pretend that it might be good and faithful, an act you only have to keep up until the release date, and in exchange you get some access and a nice bump in views
Yes, people like nerdrotic, just some guy, critical drinker, az, mauler, and hundreds more. All have much more grounded takes.
Unfortunately, those people already have enormous audience investment in NOT liking the show and if they changed their opinions based on new evidence, their audience's would call them shills.
Looks like Amazon is in full damage control mode.
I think a multi culti Middle Earth, a warrior Galadriel and an oddly cast Elrond is just too distracting for most fans.
I think that Tolkiens world was already multi culti and already perfectly written by one of the best authors of all time I find weird that 2 noobs that has not ever done fantasy before think they can improve upon his creation
I think this will have more of a reboot feel instead of being a part of the Peter Jackson universe.
@@Maikelswe1985 It already vaguely was
Elves and Dwarves aren't mentioned as black but we do know vaguely Middle-Eastern people exist and an analogue to Africa does vaguely exist out there as Far Harad iirc. There's the oft quoted "Sam brown hands" passage but idk if that reflects to natural tanning from the sun or a specific ethnicity within the Shire.
The show has definitely gone further into that though. My question is more whether or not they can be authentic
@@ItsButterBean1020 Yes. Harad has been shown as being roughly African in shape, Easterlings are "swarthy", and Harfoots are mentioned as having brown skin, so there was and is opportunity to include other peoples without bending the lore at all.
@@davidandrews2972 also I just recalled one of the southerners Is called “squint eyed” which sounds like an Asian person (rather unflatteringly tho)
I think you could prolly have some wriggle room with the Dwarves since we don’t know much about the other Dwarven fathers but Arondir is… odd. I think maybe it’d work if we had him from a different group of Elves further out but idk that’s just me
I like your channel, but this whole paid trip thing leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Amazon bribing/lobbying LOTR influencers doesn't work for me.
I won't unsubscribe from the channel and at the same time I try to imagine how difficult it would be for me to express honest opinions in a situation like this: you've been invited, payed for, and so on in order to talk in a positive way of the experience but at the same time you can't say much of what you've heard and watched, perhaps because of spoilers. If I were him, I would not accept an invitation at all given the circumstances. 🤣 I love this channel, love the content, the passion he puts in all his videos, but to me he's not reliable in this instance. This is worrying for me: that Amazon must ask influencers to say good things on the series as if the product itself won't be capable of convince people to be itself good. I agree that it has become quite common for several big productions to trod this path in order to enhance the expectations and the hype, but given the poor results of the previous marketing operations, I am tempted to see in this last marketing operation a (desperate?) effort to curb the wave of disappointment of the last months... nothing more.
@@DonatoColangelo Or they simply realized the "superfan" thing was bad. I'm pretty sure many of the Tolkien people in the community will be vocal about what's wrong with the series if they don't like it. Getting people hyped up is called marketing, and people can still be hyped up and dislike something when it comes out.
@@Simlan12345 that's precisely my point! See, I will give the series a chance: if by the end of the first episode the purist in me is disappointed, I'll stop there. So what's the point in spending all that money for a series that might start well and then after 2-3 episodes lose a good % of viewers? An operation like this would be more logic for movies, i.e., for products you pay to watch in one shot, products that once you sit down you watch until the end. But for a series which must keep the streaming going for 8 episodes or more... I mean, the risk is having a good number of download for the fist 2 episodes and then a decline: if the show is a pile of garbage, convincing people that it is good in order to lure them to watch the first episodes... I don't know, I can't understand the logic, why spend all that money. One can reply that perhaps the show is good, and again, I can't understand why spending so much for something that has value. The impression is that the show sucks, people will ignore it, and they are trying to save as much as possible.
@@Too-Odd not started to watch it yet lol
I pray for the Nerd of The Rings: may his quality prove to be high as Faramir's; may he not take a bribe if it lay by the highway.
I hope your opinions weren't influenced by a free trip and gifts.
I love your content, don't sell yourself to Amazon
He already has
Yeah I mean this made me so disappointed in a way because I love his channel and the lore videos but yes it is a big deal.
Thank God there is those Tolkien Lore Channels that stays with their boots on the ground!
Yea, this is not a good thing. I'm with you @DSifin!
They are even using exactly the same words😂
YES YES YES
Glad to see you guys accepted your rings of power with pride.
But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Ring was made. In the land of California, in the fires of Amazon Studios, the Dark Lord Jeff Bezos forged in secret a master Ring, to control all others. And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his greed and his will to dominate all franchises. One ring to rule them all. One by one, the free peoples of Middle Earth fell to the power of the Ring.
One ring to bring them all in and in the darkness bind them.
We feel the sting of morgul blade.
Very ironic
Don't you find it worrisome that the best thing everyone has to say is how much they like the show runners? Seems like a full court press to convince everyone that it's going to be good... please like us... please like it.... PLEASE
It funny to see these comments from the future, when this god awful show is out
Don't do this man don't go full corporate shill
Be careful you and Broken Sword are on the borderline of being considered access media channels. So far, I've only seen those who are not critical of them being invited to this thing.
Who counts as being critical? Heck, even the Tolkien Professor was quite vocal about some of his doubts and concerns (even in a video he made AFTER THIS!), so you can even say that he's critical too. And does x guy with a couple of thousand subs who have only recently made a channel count for someone Amazon should spend money to invite? No, it makes all kinds of sense that they should invite the pillars of the Tolkien community in all media in order to address some of these concerns.
@@Simlan12345 I don't think Men of the West was invited? And unfortunately the Tolkien Professor has lost a lot of credibility recently. He's said things that are just factually incorrect. However, as much as I agree with a lot of the worries and criticism I like NOTR and trust his views. I still don't trust Amazon to do this justice though and it does feel they could have invited some pillars that have been more openly critical.
@@Simlan12345 ok, well why not invite nerdrotic, or someone like the drinker? Fair sized channels for hardcore fans. Because they don’t want negative publicity, that’s why. Any really well grounded Tolkien fan, with even a modicum of history would understand that Tolkien would have dispised
@@jamesf333 bc Nerdrotic is a genuinely bad microcosm of the worst section of Tolkien fans. He and his fans have their opinion and they're entitled to it, but the oversensitive criticism and the way he leaves no room for optimism isn't a good representation of the wider Tolkien community. It's embarrassing to watch him to be honest.
@@jamesf333 unfortunately it's in THEIR interests NOT to provide any positive feedback because (as witnessed here in the comments) if they DID see/report anything positive, their commenters would rip them apart.
There goes my subscription to your channel bye
Nobody cares
@@MT-eo6tq You did
@@end.olives no, no one does
So, I wonder when you’ll begin to turn into a wraith?
Loooool
That was a good one!
No matter how the show actually is, I’m just sad and disappointed how Amazon and its shills have treated the fans.
This is still a real matter, you are right...
There has always been a fringe element of Tolkien fandom that hates everything. They hated the animated films when they came out, they hated Jackson’s LOTR films and The Hobbit Films and now TROP show… they hate them until enough time passes and then they love them… I have seen this play out countless times in the last 50 years.
So you're saying the head of the Tolkien Society and people who have been podcasting about Tolkien since 2009 are Tolkien shills?
@@pauljosephrussell3417 I don't think that's fair. Those are in the minority. I love the Jackson films. But I don't anticipate this being great. I hope I'm wrong 🙏 And the difference this time is that it's the overwhelming majority that feel the same way. Tolkien fans are far more protective over his works.
@@MrSRA13 I think he got about 80% right. Which is a significant thing. There are still a few things that bugs me. ( tossing a dwarve , skateboarding elves etc.. no Tom Bombadil or the barrow weight. No scouring of the shire ( big one that, as it shows the Hobbits growth. ) plus the Hobbit was a flat out travesty ( it just is 🤷🏻♂️🥺 ) That said, I still loved them. & if I thought we’d get this level of win I’d be dancing right now.
I think you're being honest on your thoughts about the whole trip, and the footage, and the showruners. Problem is there is this whole setting prepared for you guys, the hotel, the gifts, the meals, the sightseeing, and now fan's algorythms are being bombed by articles saying how much you guys absolutely loved the footage, it honestly makes everyone suspicious about the credibility of it all. Yeah, at least they invited Nerd of The Rings this time instead of some unrelated influencers, but the whole unnecessary pampering around a 20 min. viewing and an interview is just textbook psychological pre-conditioning. "Look at all this stuff we're giving you that you like! Now look at our product, you like it too, right?"
Again, I feel you're being totally honest on your testimony, but when the excitement of the trip wears off I urge you to rethink the experience and ask yourself if you feel the same positivity towards whatever it is they shown you /told you.
This being said, I'm happy that you got to have an amazing trip to London, and I sincerely hope I'm wrong about my gut feeling concerning all this, expanded by the terrible marketing campaign that you mentioned xD
In my country we have a saying that translates along the lines of "When the alms are too much, the poor mistrusts."
Keep up the awesome content man, and stay true to yourself =)
Hear! Hear! Well spoken
Great summary, that's exactly how corporate PR works
I became a Tolkien fan with a borrowed copy of the Hobbit when Amazon was just a river. All I had was my borrowed book and my imagination.
Not to sound too much like a cynic but how come all of the invitee's said almost to the word the same thing?
One thing you have said here is you were sold by the enthusiasm of the showrunners.
The problem is, enthusiasm and selling an idea, makes you someone to pick for the job, but doesn't ensure you will be good at the job.
I've seen a lot of enthusiasm in used car sales people and scammers. It's an easy cope to cover BS. The best test is if someone can answer questions straight without wriggling.
The showrunners were asked in-depth questions about the lore and their approach to the show, and gave answers that impressed people who've studied his work at an academic level for decades. I think it's pretty safe to say it's not BS.
@@_Fornad same thing with Rafe Judkins, showrunner of amazons wheel of time show. Go see how much hated that show is.
@@_Fornad amazon fired Tom Shippey. I trust him more than Soulless China crap shilling trillion dollar company.
@@makavoxel There is simply no evidence that Shippey was fired. Even if he was fired, it is possible it was over an NDA disclosure rather than disagreements over the direction of the show. We simply do not know any details.
Shippey has never commented upon the quality of the show in any manner.
There are actually a bunch of Tolkien scholars who attended this event and came away with mostly positive opinions. But of course, their opinions don't count if they're not negative, right?
@@_Fornad Academics are pretty overrated.
Source, child of academic, everyday after school walked to college, did my homework and got driven home. I've met and interacted with 100s of them over decades. Then did college, did masters etc.
Academics are weird people, most have no spine and lack morals. Very smart people, but weird people. As for English Lit, it really started to rot after Derrida.
Plus Tolkien is not a Quiz to get the highest score in. Knowing your rare Tolkien factoids doesn't equate to understanding what Tolkien was trying to do.
What has Amazon done to you guys
Showed us footage and had us meet the showrunners. Lol.
Please tell me you got no Young Adult vibes from it. And did they explain the beards 😃
Oof i wouldnt touch that series with a galaxy sized pole
The trip was basically a bribe. I'll just stick with Tolkien's written work.
True
So you won’t even watch it? I have some fears myself. I’m a Massive Tolkien fan who also got a chance to work on the 1st films at WETA as an artist. ( had to turn the gig down because of my mothers illness ) I say this to show I was & am steeped in LOTR lore. Personally, I wasn’t impressed by the look of the 1st trailer, but I will still give the thing a few episodes to see if it hooks me in.
But yeah this trip was bribery levels of cool right? That said think Nerd of the rings is a person of integrity who will only be swayed a tiny amount as he is well aware of the purchase of the event.
You clearly watched the whole video. Good for you.
@@T1tusCr0w i'll watch the show but i'm not giving Amazon any money for it and i hold no expectations it will be good
@@bethcail976 I totally understand this point of view too. After watching a thing set in a ‘fictional’ Amazon fulfilment centre I was left the feeling Amazon would be the orcs if they were any faction in middle earth.
Hmm. Watching several of these folks that went, it sounds way too scripted. I think they've been bought out, way too suspect.
Why wasn't The Red Book invited? He lives in the UK and would have given an honest opinion.
That's why!
"I shall not shill."
*DEWW IT*
dew it
Ah.. Thou shall not shill. One of the ten commandments
So awesome. Thanks for sharing with us. Getting really excited.
DON'T SELL OUT ..... it's obvious what they are trying to do
.. shameful
You’re offended that a production company is marketing its tv show? 🤨
seems like all the amazon bullet points were checked off the list..
Pointless Marketing. Amazon should have released a featurette-video instead for e v e r y o n e regarding the show with "making of scenes" showing handmade orc-masks ect. and with interviews from the showrunners sharing their enthusiasm. What is the point if the people that were present at the event cannot say anything (not even what kind of fears they had were dispelled) or give notes concerning the look of the show or concerning the music. People who already were looking forward to the show will remain positive, the haters will say "shill" cause nothing substantial has been released for all. Amazons odd and ill-fated marketing campaign continues.... That being said, I am happy for all that could attend this event.
Funny how every person who git invited pretty much says the exact same things :))))
Im sure that they are in no way biased :)))
So they paid for a vacation and showed you NOTHING to do with the series. How insightful
They did show footage, he just isn't allowed to talk about it yet.
@@TolkienAnswers 20 minutes only. Vanity Fair was shown 3 episodes before their article was published 3 months ago.
How come no one from the people that were invited to this thing says any negative things about whatever Amazon showed them , really suspicious don't you think ...
It's called marketing and review embargoes. This is standard stuff in the industry. They are inviting Tolkien experts to have a first look and post these videos to hype up the show in exchange for a free trip. They sign a piece of paper that says they can only discuss certain things they see in exchange for the trip. Usually you are not allowed to talk about what you have seen until after public release. Whether he likes the show or not doesn't matter, he got to have fun and see all this famous Tolkien stuff, and later we will still get his full review once we all actually watches it. You guys are acting like such morons over the black elf, literally who cares if the story is still good? Do you NOTR to go on a tirade about racial politics while on a couple day marketing trip? What will that change lmao
Perhaps integrity plays a role, being kind, upfront and caring that a lot of effort went into making something that could hit big. Negativity is just going to spread before it becomes a virus infecting good people "who did their job." They're not asking for their approval so to say, but rather trust those who can be honest without having to sacrifice integrity for the sake of tastes.
I really expected better from you. You realize, of course, that this sounds an awful like Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". I’m sure everyone who accepted his gifts also told themselves it had no effect on their independence.
Just ask yourself one simple question, “why did Amazon give you all those expensive gifts if it wasn’t to influence your opinion?”
And it worked, sadly.
I went to the bird and the baby/walked around Oxford in 2003 when I studied abroad! One of the happiest moments in my literary life for sure.
Money talks, bullshit walks. We're in for one spicy release.
I’ve already brought my marshmallows for the dumpster fire
@@odiedodieuk I've already rented out 1,000 dumpsters
This all feels like step one in an effort to create a group of shills who are afraid to reveal their true feelings less they be cut out of future access. While it’s absolutely true that all your feelings could be your honest belief it would have been vastly more convincing if all they did was send you the 20 minute clip of the show and let it go at that.
Every single one of you that war invited has said near about the same garbage. Like you've all been told to read from a script and you'll get your rewards. You're no fan of Tolkien if you agree with the show.
To me, all of these "events" seem like damage control from Amazon, and you being part of it it's not a good look. Did they invite nay-sayers or people, as you called, "with reservations"? The more I see about this series, the more I struggle to have an open mind about it... but I'll try to leave my expectations at the door when watching at least the first episode.
I would feel better if they also invited those fans who have openly hated on the trailer and let them share their honest opinion.
@@TolkienAnswers exactly.
doesnt look like a good look? come on now get out of your bubble, thats just dumb to say. if you had the opportunity to go there you would and i would, and you would be dumb not to go.
@@TomorrowWeLive Amen, my thoughts exactly. And remember the black elf / single white mom relationship straight out of the 1960s. Not to mention Meteor Man.
Look who's coming to second breakfast. There is no fixing this, there is no possibility that, even if they did literally every single thing we could ever want with a Tolkien property, that it would undo/make up for the ways in which they've dragged his lore through the mud. Or the blackface, as it were lol
Oxford, I was there in 2018 for Tolkien stuff as well, that year was this great hot summer!
I love your content. Your passion for Tolkien and knowledge runs deep. Don’t sell your soul to these butchers that are carving up the most sacred of texts. You have the chance to save your own credibility and not go down with their lack of. Nerd of the rings can endure. This shall not pass. Be true to yourself
Sounds to me like the UA-camrs were lured to the event with the understanding they would not have to sign an NDA. And who wouldn't jump at that opportunity? Then once they were there, they were forced to swear fealty to their new Lord and were given Rings. It's the only thing (other than signing an NDA) that makes any sense for the silence. Was it worth the price?
Clearly they were warned (or it was insinuated) that if they spoke up, their Rings would be reclaimed.
This comment sounds to me like nonsense.
As someone who lives in Oxford it's a big shame they didn't take you to Tolkien and his wives grave, just outside the city. Their grave is inscribed with the names “Beren” and “Lúthien” as well. Great video however and so glad you enjoyed Oxford!
Your mistake is that you think that the show runners care about Tolkien whatsoever...
I follow a lot of different movie critic channels and LOTR channels on YT and it's pretty damn obvious that they're only inviting content creators that are not critical of the show. I think they call that an echo chamber where you only surround yourself with people that agree with you and ignore any other opinions.
Yeah i didnt see Nerdrotic or critical drinker there bwa ha ha
@@astroboy3002 critical drinker is the only reviewer I truly trust
@@astroboy3002 haha well they could very easily find Critical Drinkers opinion, there'd be no real reason to invite him. I do agree I'd love to see what he'd have to say.
I think Nerd of the Rings has tried to remain neutral on race and politics while others are very vocal for or against it.
Even he is ignoring the critical thinking comments on his channel. Scroll through the comments section and see if Mat has even one objective reply to a critical thinking comment - ignoring 85% of all the comments who are showing concerns. We know why he is ignoring 85% of the engaging fandom who is objectively showing major concerns towards this show, let's be clear. Mat's actions speaks by themselves.
I won't unsubscribe from your channel because I detest cancel culture, but a word of warning not to alienate your actual Tolkien fans who probably make up the bulk of your subs. I will thus suppose you went there in good faith, but you need not shill for them, mate! My only advice to you is to play your cards carefully. This will either make or break you! Anyway, enjoy your holiday!
yes
This will decide whether you're a true fan. Or a Hollywood shill indeed.
Agreed.
hmm...I believe you when you say you don't sell your opinion. Can't stop thinking however, that you're very careful in what you are saying.
There were already lots of crystal-clear violations of Tolkiens work which try to project our modern society onto middle-earth.
So yeah...maybe you are indeed just very careful or you cling to what little hope is left...
I definetely believe, that you share the worries of the millions of fans out there, but because thats a very controversial topic in these times, you don't want/can't talk about the elephant in the room (in public / on the internet ).
keep up the good work and lots of love and peace ♥️
Would be good to see your thoughts a month, perhaps 2, after the trip. During the excitment, everything is great. I for one, am very skeptic with the show.
Just look what others say who got invited aswell.
Alla say the same „i am a lot less concerned now blablabla“
Yeah sure not scripted at all haha
So you took a bribe?
“I’d never risk my credibility for four days in London.” That’s just what a paid shill would say, Matt! 😂 In all seriousness, it looks like an amazing trip and I’m so jealous of the experience, more so for the sights and company than the insider stuff.
lol! Thanks, man! Would've loved to meet you in person!
@@NerdoftheRings In my book, anyone who gives these corporate suits, who so obviously see Tolkien’s life work as no more than a lucrative name brand, the credit of being associated with Tolkien automatically loses some of their credibility. Look man, no offense to you, I truly respect your dedication to your work and the reliability of your content, but by giving them any degree of legitimacy you are siding with those who would see Tolkien’s legendarium reduced to a corporate cash-cow.
@@justanothervoice2538 I strongly agree with this comment. And I am not the only one judging by the likes.
@@justanothervoice2538 could the same not be said for any incarnation of Tolkien’s work outside of his original writings?
@@justanothervoice2538 Thank you so much for saying this. The little people in the masses need to keep their voices strong whilst Amazon continues to try and do whatever they can to squash those voices with the bigger, platformed ones. "Yet such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere.” --The Fellowship of the Ring
Even though you clearly state that your opinions are "not for sale" the damage is done. When it comes to bias it is not a matter of "legal documents", it is a matter of trust. If there is even the slightest suspicion of bias the damage is there and this is a prime example of influencer corruption. Could you see a politician or journalist go to this kind of event without being accused of corruption?
Yeah, all the time. I used to be a journalist myself and was on the board for the Carolina Games Summit. As a journalist, you routinely set up interviews, generally around dinner reservations (so long as the reservation doesn't exceed an inappropriate amount) You get invited to press releases which generally include catering and a bar, as well as room and board for the conference. These are normal business proceedings and not an indication of bribery. Freebies generally get handed out at just about every conference and event, ranging from t-shirts and mugs to travel bags and logo-wear. Mind you, those also fall well under the threshold to be considered a bribe. Even if you had to sign an NDA, like I imagine they had to, they generally expire after a certain amount of time.
@@hearthseeker2425 Thanks for answering. It is not rare though that, for example, the gaming press is "accused" of being in the hands of the corporations. Handing out great previews on shite games and agreeing on review embargos etc.
Of course there can be some sort of goodies and/or reasonable catering at open events or press conferences. Not sure if I would see that this trip falls under reasonable.
And again, it doesn't matter much if it's legally correct if the audience sees it as a loss of credibility.
3:20 A hoodie with some "nice moisture resistance material" ... Or a "RAINCOAT" as it's called on this side of the Atlantic... ;)
Bought buy Amazon. Sad
Hey Nerd of the rings, I have a video suggestion! Could you do some geography based videos. For an exampel a video of the anduin where yuo talk of the geographical location, the history, translate the name and more!! would be fun in my opinion!!
You mean Lord of the Wokes
Could you make a video analysis on typical numenor ship? Great ship builders, but I don't really know what they look like?
May I recommend a video on what if Turin went after Finduilas and rescued her instead of his sister?
Great idea! Maybe a lot less tragedy.
Thoughts on ‘George The Giant Slayer’ (UA-camr) saying you’re all being told the keywords and what to say in promotion for the series? (These guys know the lore inside out > super excited > less doubts) feels like the 30 or so people are reading off a script etc… @Nerdoftherings how do you feel about their being things like black elves, black dwarves and the show potentially being filled with gender politics? Nobody has addressed this
I'm not one to watch youtube channels that focus solely on what makes them mad on a given day, but I've certainly seen enough folks making claims that our reactions are somehow scripted and they are both baseless and untrue. Many of the folks in attendance had a similar read on the showrunners because we were all similarly impressed with them (in no small part due to how night/day different they were from what the marketing has led us to believe about the show).
If any such folks would take the time to actually read/listen to the thoughts/reactions that have come out, you'll find a pretty good variance the reactions to the footage especially. Some were completely sold on it, some (like myself) were not, and will be waiting until the show comes out to see how the story/characters play out before judging it.
I can't tell you this show is going to be great, or even good. We simply don't know yet. That will depend on the execution. I will say, my #1 concern that wasn't directly story-connected was they would try to work in modern-day, or recent history political allegories in the story. After speaking with the showrunners, that concern has been significantly lessened based on what I heard.
I think it would be prudent to really think about this situation and wonder if it's more likely that 30+ people who live and breathe Tolkien every day were "bought off" for a few days in London - or is it more likely that they genuinely liked what they heard, and perhaps the UA-camrs who profit off people's anger have a vested interest in keeping people angry by any means necessary?
@@NerdoftheRings Your reaction was natural human response. Psychologically, once you have been welcomed into the fold, provided some goodies, it becomes very hard to be critical or remain completely open minded and unbiased towards those who welcomed you into the fold. To put it more bluntly, few dogs will bite the hand that feeds them.
This is entirely why the Corporate Entertainment industry exists to "butter-up" customers, its the foundation of diplomacy and dating.
For the moment Amazon has speed dated with you for their own purposes (some positive media coverage). So long as you don't proclaim that nothing has changed between you and the Amazon Y+TV show, I wont complain (although I wont take your view uncritically at least for a couple of months assuming there are no further Amazon dates in the future).
However, nothing changes the fact that millions of people who have watched the Teaser video down voted many times more than for it and the unsavoury taste that Amazon's corporate propaganda machine added to Tolkien's story (lets call it "woke BS" for ease of communication). If you can justify those changes - which Tolkien himself of Christopher would never have approved or allowed - to yourself as a long term deep fan then good for you. I can't and many other can't either.
This may turn out to be good TV, but it's not more than loosely based on a bastardised version of Tolkien's second age wit invented characters, changed characters and woke BS propaganda added. By definition, that ISN'T Lord of the Rings.
@@NerdoftheRings Exactly as the other guy said, you don’t have to be a bad person to have been unduly influenced, and it doesn’t have to be a conspiracy to suggest that 30 people can all be immoderately biased and swayed. You were all whisked away to a foreign country, wined and dined, and clearly given a press sheet with talking points they wanted you to hit. It’s only natural that 30 people of the same interest and in close proximity all gained a similar opinion.
Sorry, this is disappointing. I’m glad you had a nice time, but this looks really bad for you and all who came with you.
Exactly. It seemed to be, a less public "super fan" thing. No video to be unlisted, only a few objects and promises of access. I have no faith in this production and will be very selective where I get my Tolkien content. I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by "show runners " who don't give a damn about canon, or lore.
@@nickbrough8335 there’s a rumour that the first episode is focusing on the bullying of Galadriel 😂😂😂 bullying of a woman… I mean how against the lore can these guys be??? And apparently focusing on 2-3 other completely made up characters, so yeh they really seem to know Tolkien inside and out and will be as close to the lore as possible…….. it’s a disgrace to the great man, these 30 guys despite liking Nerd of the Rings content and as a guy seems really down to earth and I mean him no personal offence the fact they took this trip completely kills any objectivity
The House of Dragons is coming out a month earlier, I wonder if that will suck any of the energy out of LOTROP debut.
I think that last season sucked a lot of enthusiasm out of the thrones stuff
Nahh I’ve read and a fan of both franchises and can’t wait!! Plus House Of The Dragon is a history book told in three points of view, It is a finished story so I don’t see why it would have the GOT tv version stank on it.
LOL Amazons Shits of power has no energy
I guess by the time RoP nears its release date, it won’t have any energy left for HotD to suck.. the fans already hate RoP coz its mostly original stuff.. and the fans already love HotD coz the author is involved and the story is complete..
@@juandirection8820 the comments section and general mood of fans of both franchises tells a very different story.. dont know under what rock you live.. but RoP fans are mostly calling it utter garbage fan fiction at best.. while HotD fandom is super excited and happy about everything they have heard and seen about their show so far.. the author himself is involved with HotD and that has the fans even more excited !
That day two t shirt is beeeaaautiful 😛
Where'd you pick up that Rohan t shirt? I dig it. Thanks for the review!
Which one? haha. I have a fair number that pop up in here.
@@NerdoftheRings The green one around like 9 minutes.
@@Greenmick6982 Ah, that one is from the UA-cam channel "Middle-earth Storytime"
@@NerdoftheRings Did you have it custom made from them? I am sorry. I don't see a shop on their site anywhere. I will contact the guy if that is the process, but its usually an ETSY store or some such thing. Thanks!
@@Greenmick6982 Ah, check him out on twitter. I'm sure he could point you in the right direction: twitter.com/helroddlux
Amazon is going to destroy the books
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This video did not age well. He said he has faith in the showrunners LOL
I'm more interested in whether Amazon have any genuine respect for the source material. And it's very clear that they don't.
I'm quite sure they're very enthusiastic about what they're doing and they'll put a lot of effort into it.
But their attitude and comments about Tolkien's creation from the beginning said it all. They had absolutely no intention of honouring Tolkien's legacy.
And now they KNOW that real Tolkien fans aren't going to be happy about it. .
It's the same old, same old, like we've seen with the Wheel of Time series, the Star Wars sequels, Ghostbusters 2016, and so on.
Right now, Amazon are in damage control mode. They tried the insults, And now they're coming out with the parties and gifts. It's a common PR move that's been done for centuries.
Afterwards people are going to remember this. They'll be asking 'Who told us, this was going to be great?'. 'Why did they tell us that?'.
To sum up, I'm sure Amazon throws great parties and gives out nice presents (if you can ignore the logo).
But my question is, 'Why should we accept something that blatantly insults Tolkien's legacy?'.
Why should we accept something that clearly isn't what we want, despite the sticker on the box?
Well, the answer is, if it isn't what we wanted, we don't have to accept it.
You sound like a 12 year old throwing a fit the clown your mommy promised didn’t show up to your birthday
@@jeremytine If those other fans like what Amazon are doing, fair enough. But I still intend to express my opinion concerning what Amazon are up to.
Amazon's attitude reminds me of the attitudes of others who adapted franchises that I was a fan of, and, as far as I'm concerned, screwed things up big time. I've given chances before, and all too often found myself wasting time and money on adaptations that looked nothing like what I wanted them to be. I've no intention of supporting anything like that again.
There's also a contrast between Peter Jackson's attitude and Amazon's. Peter Jackson approached Lord of the Rings as a fan, and it showed. Having read the books, I'm amazed by what he managed to accomplish. (As for the Hobbit, he basically had to take over and pick up the pieces after Del Toro left. And having both health issues and studio interference at the time didn't help, either). I recognised his version of Middle-Earth and his characters from the very first trailer (with the Rings of Power, I was thinking 'WTF did I just watch?').,
Amazon's attitude is very different. They're basically using familiar names for an agenda-focused story, and one that's unrecognisable to fans like MYSELF.
They COULD have been more faithful to the canon material concerning Second Age characters, races and history, but going by what's been revealed, they've practically thrown the whole lot out.
They COULD have kept the canon details and filled in the blanks, focusing their creativity there, so to speak. But they clearly had no interest in doing so.
They ALREADY had the story they wanted tell and the kinds of characters they wanted to use. They basically just took those and gave everybody Middle-Earth names.
That's not good enough for me, especially for something that's claimed to be a TOLKIEN series. .
RESPECT THE LORE
Ive seen a few of these thoughts on the preview. They all sound exactly the same. Glad they gave you guys all the same talking points to read from.
"Evil cannot create anything new it can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
And in our times of countless sequels and remakes this holds true even more....
If you're going to quote the great Tolkien, please use the correct quotation:
" The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own"
The quotation you're using was made up on a forum several years ago, in an ironic attempt to lambast people who are "changing" Tolkien. If you're going to criticise the showrunners, at least use a real quotation
@Abyss Gazer Not even a Tolkien quote done right, like at least try to pretend you know what you're talking about.
That's why I'm more fearful of audiences than creators. XP
"We dont care that Amazon is changing the story to push a far left political message"
"It really bothers us when random youtubers mis quote Tolkien."
Annatar, "Lord of Gifts",