Explosive Debate: Biden Vs. Trump with Destiny and Dr Sebastian Gorka
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Trump or Biden? Dr Sebastian Gorka and Destiny go head to head! #politics #election #news
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Dr Sebastian Gorka is a former Deputy Assistant to President Trump for strategy. He has lectured for US Special Operations Command, the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, and the Green Berets, and has briefed the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the National Intelligence Council. He is the host of the radio show ‘America First with Sebastian Gorka.’ Find more here: www.sebgorka.com/
Destiny (Steven Bonnell) is an American live-streamer and political commentator. A social democrat, he often engages in political debates in which he advocates for progressivism and liberal politics. He is the host of the ‘Bridges Podcast’ which is available, along with many other kinds of content, on his UA-cam channel: @destiny
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00:00 Introduction
01:35 Why Biden Should Be President
03:37 The Case for Trump
05:24 Accusing Biden of Hating America
07:24 Is Trump Really a Man of the People?
14:43 Illegal Immigration
19:46 Sponsor Message: Munk Debates
21:17 Is Trump Just Playing Politics?
26:19 Why Wasn’t the Wall Built?
30:02 Trump Needing to Rely on Good Faith
39:07 Can Trump Get Things Done?
48:23 Who Do Other Nations Respect More?
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59:44 Trump’s Role in Recent Conflicts
1:12:15 How Biden Would Defuse Global Tensions
1:21:02 How Trump Would Restore Peace
1:30:54 Debate Continues on Locals
5k a day is 1.8 million illegals a year, that’s not acceptable
If all of the illegals were to make a new 51st state it would be the 5th most populated state in the USA.
Try living in the UK. Its doomed
It seems kind of pointless to attempt debating when you and your opponent can't agree on the fundamental nature of reality.
Who the F is this douche, Destiny?
Well said. Its all pointless. It’s like arguing theoretical physics with a flat earther
Spot-on. Carl Schmidt's Friend-Enemy distinction explains this.
Most political debates are just debates about what is true or false unfortunately.
As long as you can see one person isn’t willing to engage in meaningful analysis, and that’s why the break occurs it’s still worthwhile.
When Obama said I want to fundamentally change America I was very alarmed.
Shia bomba
You should be real concerned about project 2025 then. Witch trump said he supports
@@robertg2949Good.
Were you alarmed when Trump said it's okay to discard the Constitution, sometimes?
@@robertg2949 Not at all lol
Trump 2024!
This gorka guy is exactly what makes conversations like this so fucking boring. When all you're doing is just running down a dialogue tree so you can tow the party line. You're incapable of being a part of ACTUAL conversation.
Funny you say that because I think that's true of the guy arguing the Democrat point of view.
@@uToobeD theyre both gay af
I'm no fan of Steven nor do I agree with much of what he says but at least he listens and responds with facts as he understands them. If Sebastián pulled his lips off Donald's butt for just one second, maybe he could have participated in an actual dialog.
Shut the mouth, open the ears
Life on earth got much worse under Biden. Only a libtard would argue the reverse.
Gorka was factually wrong on a number of things including energy prices, oil production, the contents of the border bill, the list goes on. Why take him seriously if all we’re getting is misinfo wrapped in editorializing and virtue signaling
You're watching a video where he's debating Destiny of all people and you're going to whine about Gorka?
Didn't expect there to still be so many Destiny defenders out there but I suppose that's the state of the modern west. Best to all of you!
@@TheDoctorProfessor Well yeah generally I’m not a fan of wheeling out poorly formed or dishonest taking points in support of a failed president. That’s just me I guess.
@@TheDoctorProfessordoes destiny trigger you?
@@TheDoctorProfessor he just pointed out something very true. Why can’t you people content with the actual points instead of bringing up other stuff
@@TheDoctorProfessor But, FWIW, his arguments are almost always fact based. He doesn't throw out feels nonsense like "I knew he loved this country." Let me guess, he looked deep into his soul for that insight.
He gets nervous and starts coloring😂
😂😂😂
He's not coloring, he's scrolling through his speeches. And key points.
GenZ vs a man. XD
😂😂😂😂😂
Destiny looks like a grown Peter Dinklage
🤣🤣🤣
Personally I get more of a midget hippie Hans Gruber vibe but I can definitely see your argument.
"Trump can't be a narcissist because he bought firefighters pizza and they said 'save us.'"
Can't deny this logic.
Show me a man who thinks he can lead 300 million people that isn't a narcissist. The point it was even brought up is stupid.
I think you'll find the point is that Gorka thinks Trump is a nice genuine person who does nice things for others, and enjoys spending time with "Everyday working people", and that this therefore would indicate that he is not as narcissistic as some claim.
@@uToobeDYea but the example he gave does not support the point, its stupid.
Oh, and the cameras just so happened to be there when Trump bought those firefighters pizza. Purely coincidental, I'm sure.
I am one of the biggest Trump fans, but you have to be willfully ignorant to not see the narcissistic nature of him. He is shaped like this because of his history (businessman) or he is a genuine narcissist. Not giving a diagnosis here, but it seems fairly self evident.
Destiny wore his finest salvation army shirt for this debate
you sound like a 14 year old
@@alistairmurray626who hurt you?
And you sound likr a 5 year old.
When politics are just about aesthetics for you. Actual clownworld.
@@alistairmurray626 you sound like a 13 year old!
Gorka is the greatest eyeroll generator I've experienced.
Why aren't they talking about the numbers regarding the immigration under Trump's first 4 years? The stay in Mexico policy...? The catch and realease wasn't a thing and the numbers went down to 300K a year... since Biden is in the office there was 200-300k a month
Because trump's "low immigration numbers" have to do with covid lmfao. Funny that you people will say "we can't blame trump for his poor handling of covid, BUT IMMIGRATION WAS LOW WHEN THE COUNTRY WAS LOCKED DOWN AND THAT WAS ALL TRUMP WOO" it's delusional bro
Stating facts around destiny will get you a softer version of him. And then he will call someone a ralist, and it will. It is racist to not open the door to people. Because we all remember that destiny allowed his ex wife to open her legs and allow anyone in
@lumayne8829 covid didn't happen until Trump last year, but I'll leave it you to ignore the first three years. Lol you thought you got away with one huh?
Also the democrats stopped any wall being built and they definitely wouldn't let Trump build the infrastructure back up
@@lumayne8829the country was only shut down his last 9 months. Nice try though 🤡
Within 2 minutes, you're already going "Christ, this is going to be a slog to get through the entire video". More strawmen than a wizard of oz rehearsal.
But wizard of Oz had one strawman…
@@odiedodieuk OK I should have said auditions! 🤣
@@odiedodieukmore strawman than the wizard of oz sequel set in the strawman childhood town strawville.
I made it 50 seconds
Gorka hates free speech. Dude hates anyone who criticizes Israel and wants them jailed for their opinions
the moderator was misleading at a few points of this conversation.
misquoted Angela Merkel at MAYBE the wrong timeframe. from 2010 the full quote is: "The way 'Multikulti' has been approached has failed, completely failed." She went on to say that one should not only support migrants, but make demands on them as well. In the same speech, she also declared that Islam is a part of Germany."
later in 2015, during the Syrian refugee crisis, she said, "We can do it! I can say that because it is part of our country's identity to achieve great things." and "Anyone who seeks protection with us must respect our laws and traditions and they must learn German," and "Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and multiculturalism remains a lie of life." This sounds like a pro-refugee and pro-integration stance, and not some way of saying "We must halt all refugee admissions." which COULD be the takeaway if you just say "Angela Merkel said Multiculturalism was a mistake after the Syrian refugee crisis."
the Minsk Agreements (1) collapsed IN MONTHS. that is true. and yes, Minsk Agreements (2) basically held until the current war. But even that almost collapsed the day after it was signed. But the rhetoric that Autocrats and terror groups wait to attack until there's a Democratic US prez because the US won't do anything is... simply disproven looking at the tremendous support for Ukraine and Israel right now.
Yeah. Their channel is one that pretends not to lean heavily in one direction when it clearly does.
Yeah wtf Germany's economy is undeniably the strongest European in part because of the labor and taxes Syrians provide to the economy. There are some issues but overall it has objectively been an overwhelming benefit to the country.
@@yajy4501 I'll give them the benefit of the doubt: they _say_ they don't lean in one direction, but don't realize that they do.
@@LuigiMordelAlaume lmao
The fact that they booked Destiny on the dem side shows how much they lean right lol
Debating open borders with a guy who has open relationships😂
The irony
@@Jacques.Smith_
*had
an open relationship
LOL, that's so funny, dude!!!! 😂😂 Like, actually hilarious!!! You rock so much, man!
The most advanced form of humor aside, would you expand on the relationship between open borders and open relationships?
Did the Mexicans force him into one, maybe? That would be crazy!!
@@hagelmannen
Boundaries exist for a reason. Both societal and geographical. "Liberate yourself" from them at your own peril.
@@stephenthompson3309 Are boundaries typically objective or subjective?
Like Aoc, somehow an expert on Congress, that's funny destiny
He was out of his league vs this opponent.
@@20Schmidtdefinetly not
@@20Schmidt”haha akTualy?? Nuh-UH!! MY guy isn’t stupid, YOUR guy is stupid nooooo Nuh-uh you’re wrong!!¡”
@@ThySheepieare you okay?
Gotta say, at least Destiny has got the balls to get into these exchanges. Theres plenty of people from his side of the aisle that wouldn't even attempt this.
Why would anyone listen to a cuck and take them seriously.
At least? My man, wait for the debate to upload, I watched it early on their website, Destiny made this guy look like a 🤡You need to snap back to reality a little bit. I watch people like these from all sides of the political isle very often, you don't, That is why you get surprised when u see this, because you ONLY watch people related to Gorka's beliefs
@@d4mterro320 Cant Understand Critical Knowledge.
@@d4mterro320 and the only one who can make destiny out to be a clown is by Andrew Wilson. Whats your point?😊
Takes balls to come up and dribbling sh1t and lies ?
Guys saying there's a lead up to wars, biggest cop out I've ever heard. Reality is they all started under Biden
Destiny Is the only one stupid enough on the left to publicly defend joe Biden.
I'm really confused by the moderator here. At 51:08 when they're talking about the war in the Donbas, he says "post the Minsk Accords there was no hot war going on." But that's just incorrect. I'm not sure why he said it so authoritatively.
There was heavy fighting in Debaltseve immediately after the signing of Minsk II, then there was a period of relative peace aside from minor skirmishes, but that only lasted until 2017 when heavy fighting broke out around Avdiivka. They agreed to a few more ceasefires in 2017-2018 but they all collapsed within literally a day or two after being agreed.
That's categorically untrue. Why do you speak with such h confidence yourself lol?
@@OnlyFlans42 Well, correct him then. Because we it's common knowledge there has been localised civil war in Ukraine since 2013/14.
I'm not so surprised, he says he's Ukrainian in this video but in other videos he says he's Russian
@@realMaverickBuckley The moderator has a Ukrainian wife and mother and often visits. Why would he be dishonest.
Destinys whole body language tells you how out his depth he is. Can’t make eye contact erratic movements using his pen laughibg and interrupting. Childish
He's the kid in class that dared you to punch him and then when you punched him He went crying to the teacher with a bloody nose 1 And told the other kids that he would have kicked your ass if the teacher hadn't broken you up
Nailed it. His jaw is a bit loose, so that might actually have happened.
This guy destiny is increadibly insufferable.
Ad hominem fallacy: ua-cam.com/video/IVFK8sVdJNg/v-deo.html
Yesh he watches his gfs fuck other guys
Insufferable doesn’t mean wrong. It just so happens that Gorka is actually both
I don't get the fan base for Destiny, He is just reading the stuff at twice the normal taking rate to make it sound good. He was corrected by Konstantin multiple times the worst was on Ukraine during the Trump administration. The best you can say about him is that he is an amalgam of the left. His own parents are examples are victims of the Democrats and still he runs with what ever left wing propaganda he can find to insult the right wing. So yes, he is both insufferable and wrong.
@@certifiedlb3451Destiny is absolutely wrong about everything. He is a headline reader regurgitator and a complete fools fool who is like most people of his generation a Social Media whore who lives in an echo chamber of morons.😘
Thank you Triggernometry for putting this together. We need as much of this kind of content as possible. The debate could have been better if the guests respected each other a bit more but this format is fantastic. Keep up the good work.
I thought Destiny was pretty respectful of Gorka. It got a little more testy when Gorka began hitting below the belt, and Destiny didn't even fully respond in kind. I think the fact that that asymmetry continued is the fault of the moderator.
I liked it better when the "moderator" was the one debating Destiny, Because he had to pretend to be fair he was indirectly fair debating him.
Destiny had to be the idiot on the left who you could tell he knew he was full of shit.
Because Destiny speaks a lot of nonsense that is easily debunked.
The other dude in the suit is just relaying policies under Trump.
Lmao true
Are you saying the moderator did a bad job?
@@TheDeven1000 We are not only saying the moderator did a bad job, we are also saying he would have been better off debating destiny himself if that's what he wanted to do.
Love how Gorka talks about ‘when we were int he Whitehouse’. He was fired after 7 months….
You can tell that dude bottles his own farts for later
He really does talk as if he has been Trump’s most trusted advisor and right hand man for the past eight years.
Shit I didn’t know this. Fucking hilarious
Would anyone who considers themselves a democrat party supporter today not say "we are currently in the white house"? Meaning "we democrats"? Why is there such a need to interpret everything so literally if it twists everything so conveniently negatively? It poisons the well further, if it's not already hopelessly poisoned. Let's unpoison the well.
"I'm part of the team, right guys?? guys??" pick me dude 💀
Destiny really thinks he is smart but he isnt ,he just tries to blame trump for everything.
Yes finally I can get my politics debated by a full time online gamer/ twitch guy!! This is absolutely the best thing ever!!!
😂
He was a restaurant manager too you know!
Insufferable twerp
Pretty pointless debate overall so far as it wasn’t a debate. Seb didn’t engage with a single point that was made and moderation didn’t force him to. I would love to see a debate with competent moderation. Ask questions and force both parties to answer those questions directly and stop either person from rambling so much unrelated fluff.
Are you kidding me? He had no points. All he did was spew dem, lying talking points incessantly. What's to engage with. It's like playing chess with a pigeon.
@@derenlacey1043 except he’s meant to be professional who agreed to a debate right? He’s advocating for Trump so wouldn’t it be in his best interest to at least attempt to engage?
Also if the things destiny brought up were so easy to combat then why not just tear destiny to shreds with actual arguments rather than endless emotional appeals?
@@derenlacey104327:18. Destiny was 100% right here. What's your contention?
@@derenlacey1043 “He had no points, all he did was spew talking points” which one is it bro lmao
You call dem talking points points? My God, the world is lost
No mention of "remain in Mexico"? Biden eliminated this successful program.
This debate wasn't "explosive". You want an explosive debate, go watch when flat earthers accuse globers of being pedos. This debate was as tame as a newborn kitten.
Clinton was the first to suggest that obama was born in kenya. How deluded can one be?
That's a lie.
Its hard to debate when one person isnt really debating, and is instead auditioning for a position in the white house.
If Trump really hated the United States, why did he make it almost energy independent, which wouldn't be something Putin wouldn't like?
@@user-dj3pr1zx2jdid you listen to the debate yet
@@user-dj3pr1zx2j Better yet, if Trump loves the US, why did he dodge the draft and why does he cheat on his taxes?
@@user-dj3pr1zx2j aww I bet your mom thinks you're so smart 😂😂
@user-dj3pr1zx2j what does this have to do with hating or not hating the US?
Jesus Christ, I don't think Gorka engaged with any of Destiny's talking points. True politician 👏🏽
Dude sounded like a grandfather telling bedtime stories everytime he was rambling
Destiny could read out an entire history book to Gorka and he'd be like "But biden hates american and trump loves it so im right."
Which talking point? Trump caused the boarder crisis?
Or all illegals are entering at a point of entry and claiming asylum? I did not know the river was a point of entry?
@@nohoes77 😂
@@JordanHh Dude when the first thing on his list of positive arguments for Trump was "he loves America and Biden hates it"... At least it was a good signal to keep my expectations of this guy extremely low.
Anyone who starts off the debate saying Joe Biden is a good president needs to be put in a asylum
You literally support trump, your brain is hot mush at this point
@@noobmansuperstarboy you support a man who proves his brain is mush everytime he makes a pathetic speech. Your opinion means nothing “noobman”
true!
@@noobmansuperstarboy you support a man who is the president but can’t even make a coherent speech, raise a child correctly, much less even make it up some stairs, what were you saying about a brain being mush? Mr “noobman” because that’s a name I’ll take seriously 😂
@@noobmansuperstarboy ya nice name, off to the asylum for lack of self awareness, the level of which it’s at, is criminal.
Come to me, and say, "Yeah, I mean...my guy is okay. But he's got some issues, too. Just being honest."
But this whole "my guy is the shit; fuck you" thing is insane. Especially--I'm sorry, but it must be said--when we're talking about Joe Biden.
Donald Trump is very, very far from perfect. But his brain works. He doesn't trip up the same set of stair three times in less than ten seconds. For anyone to sit and claim that either one of these men are perfect is nonsense. And to claim that Joe Biden is a strong, effective leader makes me wonder if maybe you're suffering from whatever the hell Joe Biden is suffering from.
Destiny arguing with a PragerU random headline generator
This needs more likes
@@djon3043 i agree 😘
Dr. Gorka arguing with a Biden-showered-with-his-11-year-old-daughter denialist.
Lmao perfect description.
@@djon3043 It won't though, because y'all are becoming vastly outnumbered. Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain can see through the facade y'all trying to put up.
i'm disappointed in hearing gorka mostly repeating, verbatim, things he's written for speeches. he sounds like he really checked out for this.
It just means he means what he says. What do you want, a Harry Potter Multiverse?
Of course he is. Destiny is a fuckin clown and he sees right thru his shit
Agreed - it’s really disappointing because I was expecting a much better performance. There’s so much he could have engaged with and it’s just his usual talking points.
@@tkha6308No. I want someone who actually engages with the facts, not someone who propagates propaganda talking points and pushes lies.
@@dwil0311 These are all engagement with facts. People just have different interpretations of them.
Personnel is policy,EVERYONE THAT THIS MAN(TRUMP) PUT IN OFFICE HE EITHER FIRED OR TURNED HIS BACK ON THEM.
Gorka is the personification of "I say, I say sir, how dare you!"
😂😂 “how dare you”
Best comment.
Which is ironic since one of the things he said he likes about Trump right at the start is that Trump isn't politically correct lol.
Destiny is a fool … his followers morons
@@Pvt.punchyhow stupid is the left… mock yourselves there is plenty of material when dealing with the army of the resentful
This wasnt a debate, all Sebastian Gorka wanted was to tell stories. He literally didnt answer a single question by Destiny.
Typical politician rhetoric.
Typically conservative strategy
@@1drumshark I believe you meant typical not typically 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's a debate, an exchange of ideas, where the strongest arguments (truth) wins. It's not an interview or interrogation. If your idea of a debate is one side asks questions of the other, with the "oh ya, answer my this bro! Attitude", you haven't the foggiest idea of what a debate is. And Destiny wasn't prepared to have a debate, he just wanted to be right, exchanging ideas be damned.
@@owenhoward3148 Destiny was answering and engaging to Gorka's questions while the latter was just narrating 7 emotional incongruent anecdotes like a bland politician.
One of the best conversations I’ve seen on the internet in recent years. Thank you Konstantin
Did Destiny actually say we're energy independent?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
destiny: "hey answer this question"
gorka: "thats ridiculous, anyways here are 10 completely unrelated stories about firefighter pizzas and black boys in harlem"
Save us
Don't blame Gorka for your lack of comprehension...
@@shawnsdrumcave We understood it, it was just anecdotal nonsense.
@@shawnsdrumcavecan I at least blame him for the aneurysm I got from listening to his stupidity?
@@MiniatureMashUp You understood nonsense?
dont know who's idea it was, but the 2 camera faded angle is good and seamless. props to that atleast.
I'm no production expert. But there was something about the side by side thing that stood out.
Doesn’t matter if you like Gorka or not. His voice is amazing. I need him to read an audiobook. Lol
"He's out of his depth," says the man who spent the entire debate speaking in broad, conservative platitudes.
destiny literally doesnt understand supply and demand
Especially since Destiny was right about the Ukraine point lmao. I have no idea what the moderator's family was telling him, but there was absolutely heavy fighting after the Minsk agreements lol.
It's so weird he was like "I know this region very well" but then was just incorrect, like wtf? In what world was the fighting around Debaltseve immediately after Minsk II and then Avdiivka in 2017 not a "hot conflict"??
@@octopusgoat2502 A moderator that uses anecdotal evidence to shut down one of the debaters is simply not qualified to moderate a debate. That was so juvenile.
@@beansdestroyer watching him studded his way around the afghanistan pullout is fuckin painful. Dude is absolutely clueless. Billy madison level rambling.
@@jonnybgoode7742 cope
Moderators holding hands with Gorka while he tells bedtime stories for 45 minutes. How the hell did the Moderator do a better job debating Steve then a freaking ex white house employee. What a joke.
Your president showered with his 11 year old daughter.
Your president raped women @@apubakeralpuffdaddy392
@LoserBoomerBoy what debating? It was Trump bad, then Biden bad too, No Trump worse! This wasnt a debate it was a question dodging dishonest agility contest
@@dustinmondou212 Joe Biden showered with his 11 year old daughter.
@@dustinmondou212 just go watch family guy or smth if youre this retarded
My jaw hit the ground when destiny said that every part of Donald Trump's foreign policy was a disaster. In what world would anybody believe that?
Battle of the goatees
Goat vs Destiny 😂
@@FreaksSpeaks NOICE!
@@FreaksSpeaks retard vs destiny actually 🤓
Gorka does have about as much intelligence as a goat, true
@@FreaksSpeaks more of an ass in my book
We played a drinking game where we took a shot every time we heard "when we came into the whitehouse". 8 people died.
I don't think you should be allowed to have your fucking Ipad in a debate.
how dare he keep notes on his ipad
@@yomamas1559 You spelled "script" wrong
@@JrocTheReal notes, script. He’s prepared and organized, that’s all that matters.
Destiny uses an iPad, Gorka uses paper. Both men have notes. What's your point?
@@JrocTheRealyour profile picture looks like someone who would make that comment lol
at this stage, your best bet is to always favor the antithesis position to which this clown "Destiny" is arguing for.
I’m leaning conservative and not a big fan of Destiny, but it seems all you who hate him, have no real criticism of what he had to say. Just how he looks and his private life. It’s just blind hatred. If you truly think Gorka won this debate I don’t know what to say to you
I think Gorka had the stronger arguments on the merits but Destiny won because he was more prepared and focused
Bro ur lying 😂😂😂 u just some dgg er pretending to be a conservative in the comments
I see this crap literally ALL the time 😂😂 subterfuge
@@MarkG-nl4oq Stronger arguments? Gorka is residing the terminator plot to you when talking about how amazing Trump is. Guy is just a walking audio book
@@dillonferreira3529 And Destiny was just repeating DNC talking points he memorized but didn’t understand and making false legal and policy arguments
@@MarkG-nl4oq Gorka didn't even have a single argument. Only deflective narratives in order to not engage with Destiny's arguments. Did you even watch the debate?
At least in the Thumb , Destiny looks like a bigger copy of Peter Dinklage
By a small margin.
😅😅😅
I actually thought it was Dinklage initially.
Since he separated from his wife Destiny has changed quite a bit in mannerism and looks. Seems he is transitioning into something. Not sure yet what it is though. ;)
Sam Bankman Destiny? Ever see the two in the same room together??
Dude looks like Tyrion Lannister
Could you imagine what we would have been in for if Trump was reelected in 2024? We would be experiencing what Biden caused but with a different Democrat.
Gorka would defend Palpatine "he loves the republic, he lives democracy!"
No he wouldn't.
@@uToobeDhe would one hundred percent
Deep thoughts.
damn your IQ is below room temp
The Jedi council is corrupt. Drain the swamp!
Im sorry but the moderator was a complete joke. He was on Gorkas side the whole time trying to help him and even said it a few times. Need a less biased moderator. I also have family in Ukraine and some of the shit he was saying is just not true.
Gotta love how he held Gorka's hand after debating Destiny for a moment there. "It's OK, buddy, I think you can handle it from here."
go to ukraine then
He was on the side of logic and reason
@@joeywharton5662 first of all that is untrue, and second he's not supposed to be on a side dumbo
Sorry either you are lying or your family is lying and maybe both!! So what does your family think about having a dictator now??
Left Wingers acting like super patriots is very ironic lol 😆
There needs to be a serious investigation into whichever school gave this man a doctorate.
He lectured at the DNI, CIA, and Sandhurst. You have no idea what your are talking about.
@@darbyheavey406 and yet...
Gorka is fuckin knob
@@darbyheavey406Elizabeth homes gave a lecture at Harvard.... Your point is about as sharp as a beach ball (just to clarify beach balls aren't sharp)
@@jaredhass9254 Yeah your counterpoint is irrelevant. His statement on where the Doctor has given his lectures are an attempt to provide credentials. We all know you can get a Jim Carey to give a speech/lecture at Harvard or some crap so sorry try again.
3:37 to 7:20 3 minutes and 40 seconds of uninterupped and unchalleged rambling
Vs when Destiny talks 7:35 to 8:13 40 seconds and he's wrongfully called out for whataboutism BY THE MODERATOR LMFAOOO you can't make this up
Yeah this moderator is a joke
Nice job including timestamps
Adderal simp
Wow, you are an idiot, those were the opening statements but not only that, but just about 90% of everything destiny said we’re baseless lies. And destiny did a lot of rambling himself, basically just reading, talking points from Wikipedia.
@@legionanonymous3165 lmao, ok.
I want to give a shoutout to the video editors. That visual effect that eliminates the heinous bar in the middle of the screen, when both debaters are on the screen, is an absolutely brilliant effect.
How can it be that these two sound so much more elegant and intelligent than the men they’re defending…? Like… what are we doing here anymore…
Trump speaks pretty elegantly when he needs to.. see this is the problem with the nonstop trump hate.
The amount of hate propaganda done to him is so much people forget shit fast.
-I'm asking what he's done, not what happened.
-What's the difference?
🤦This guy is a political commentator and he doesn't know there is a difference.
I laughed out loud. Bro had no response to it
he started stuttering 😅
Are you serious? That was the dumbest statement Destiny made. What is the difference?
@@A_M_P_ watch again. He explains it. It would have happened regardless of who was in charge. People get credit for the actions they do. Not for simply existing
@@A_M_P_the fact that you felt confident enough to post this comment publicly is embarrassing. good things can happen under a president that the president isn’t actually responsible for. destiny is asking for trumps specific actions that were the cause of good outcomes, not just good things that happened. understand now?
This was a terrible debate. The moderator was incredibly soft on Gorka, gave push back to Destiny that was just factually incorrect, let Gorka just ramble, never pressed him to give a proper answer. Hell within Destiny's first response he was already interrupting Destiny to stop him from pushing back at all on the Republican line. Really sad showing all around.
"My wife is Ukrainian" he says, while continuing to spout bullshit about how the massive support deals changes nothing. Fucking disgusting honestly, what a fucking joke of a moderator.
I thought the same, but also my take away was Destiny was cool calm collect and stuck to the facts, Gorka just put on an act full of vague misinformation, typical MAGA bootlicking fashion. I can't believe he had the balls to say Democrats killed Republican Lincoln... This guy supposedly has a PhD but is gonna sit here and act like the 2 parties didn't flip decades ago and Lincoln wasn't a down the middle moderate "Republican"? I've got about 30mn left and I'm at the part the moderator stopped Gorka and told him to stop insulting Destiny and stick to the facts, then Gorka continues on with the insults and misinformation 🤣
Destiny factually incorrect on few things👊
Mod was easy on Gorka👊
Saying trumps responsible for oct 7 because he didn't bring HAMAS to the abraham accords is not being "factually correct".
But gorka like all right wing grifters represent my side so badly that I can't complain when even the most flawed arguments from the left win.
Destiny talks fast and makes assertions, thats the totality of his facade, but opinions dont matter, thats why most of the country wants Trump back. They see through this kind of elitist fawning.
Why cant republicans ever debate without insults, tangents and theatrics?
Destiny is like the people in "Idiocracy" who think Brawndo is better for plants because water is used in toilets.
Sebastian Gorka looks like he could get me off a DUI
Don’t drink and drive. Drink before you drive. I’ll defend you.
He just gets me off in general :3
Yeah he's got a serious "better call Saul" vibe
@@mjzenbaryeah definitely big con man energy
Meanwhile I am sure that destiny could "get you off" the old fashioned way...
It's hard to debate people who just give opinions based in another reality
So I did look up the claim at roughly 28 minutes in, about whether it was a minimum or a maximum. Both sides were incorrect, there is no hard cap or hard minimum, but there is a soft cap. So destiny was technically more accurate then Gorka
The recent bipartisan border bill established an emergency authority for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to respond to high levels of migrant encounters. Specifically, if encounters exceed an average of 5,000 per day over a week, or 8,500 in a single day, the DHS Secretary is required to exercise emergency measures to bar migrants from applying for asylum and manage the influx more effectively.
The moderator literally handholding Gorka for half the debate is wild. Do your job and moderate, hold each side the the table to account, and make them answer questions. Don't interject to side track the debate talking about your extended family in Ukraine, and spread misinformation regarding the Minsk agreements.
you sound butthurt, hit a nerve there?
@@Xili84 can you give me an example of this misinfo. I'm curious?
@@Xili84 Name one objectively wrong statement.
@@Xili84 Is it the job of the moderator to argue against "wrong statements" or the job of Destiny's opponent? What's the opponent even there for otherwise?
@@kieranbradford3020 that republicans are to blame for the current issues with immigration…..
You’re turn ❤
Good to see Gorka getting coached by the moderator so he can get even one point against Destiny
It’s the umpire holding Destiny’s bat and screaming at Gorka to throw the goddamn ball lmao
Clown shit that he calls this a debate and himself a moderator
he still couldn't
Destiny just repeats the claims from the press secretary. Hes an ideologue. Hes not going to say something that is true if it costs him his audience.
@@CryoftheProphet saying that Destiny is the one just repeating talking points in this conversation is so mind bogglingly wild
@@rinyald Destiny has debated enough to figure out his schtick. Talk fast, sound confident, and hope like hell no one checks. Because the reality is that half the population, the half not confirming the delusions of men claiming to be women, arguably one of the dumbest low points in american history putting the idiocracy on full display, do not in fact believe what Destiny says, and if polls are worth anything, a majority of americans do not think the way he does.
He isnt a centrist, hes left wing. He doesnt believe in God, therefore can only make subjective arguments for why we ought or ought not follow a moral principle, and he sounds like a college kid just ranting his emotions.
Meanwhile people are fed up of the left and what they have offered. A dying economy, no end in sight to the high interest rates, potential world war escalating from two different fronts, and a middle class that is objectively poorer than they have ever been.
If you wanted to just destroy the economy, Im not sure you could have done it any better than Biden has.
If so, I would sure like to know how.
Wait doesn’t the government literally objectively tell us that things are safe / healthy when they are actually the opposite
Destiny: the pipeline shutdown was not recognized by the oil industry. It carried a .000001% of product, completely irrelevant.
If you gave me a million dollars to publicly say things as dumb as Gorka does, I don't think I could bring myself to do it.
I think you misspelled "Destiny"
@@braindeadjester You sound like a typical slop eating drooling red cap
@@braindeadjester yeah right all gorka did in this entire "debate" was ramble and not adress a singular point destiny made
@@kraal5753 dgg says what
You just said something far dumber than anything he said....for free.
My first thought when I saw the thumbnail was Tyrion is debating Ricky Gervais
Lol
That's a good one :D
Destiny always relies on a computer during his debates, or a tablet in this case. Gorka didn't really even look at his notes. Destiny is always looking down and checking his talking points.
It boggles the mind how destiny is disagreeing with the man who was literally there
Important to note is that by allowing the Ukrainians to fight willingly by providing them equipment also costs Russia insane amounts of money, rendering them unable to ever overtake us militarily in any perspective
Exactly, it's a proxy war, extremely valuable to take part in this way.
@@Statutumextremely valuable for the war machine. Ukraine is so desperate for troops they’re trying to conscript mentally handicapped men. We’ve taken part in wiping out a generation of young men in a country. This never would have happened if we stayed out of it. You said it was valuable, but didn’t say if you supported it. If you do, you may be evil.
@@gregorywillson7730 It goes far beyond funding a warmachine.
The war is horrible, and I shouldn't have to defend against claims saying I might feel otherwise because someone decided to paint me into an evil box.
Also, "we" being who, and how did "we" cause the war because "we" didn't stay out of it?
@@gregorywillson7730 you are lucky the ukrainians have such spirit and did the impossible holding back russia, if "we" stayed out of it we would have been pulled into a much bigger conflict wich would have probably meant boots on the ground.
Is that what you want?
@@gregorywillson7730 Isn't it weird how right wingers say "If Trump was president Putin never would have invaded Ukraine" but now the right is saying "America has it's own problems and we should stop funding Ukraine". I would argue that sending Ukraine money is a better show of strength than if we just let Ukraine get decimated. More to your own point though; you are wrong to assert that we have taken part in wiping out a generation of young men in Ukraine, Russia is wholly to blame for their invasion and the blood lies only on Putin's hands. We are helping Ukraine stand up for their right to be a sovereign state against an invading country.
With a guy like destiny our country destiny is doomed . Stop letting those people a platform .
No. He's a walking CNN talking point, but we have to make sure the normies see what drives Biden voters so they can go the other way.
@@Jacques.Smith_ I guess you are correct , but the blood is boiling listening to his lies . Imagine those stupid people listening and believe his lies
He proved he couldn't do it .We had the lowest illegal immigration in history
There is no economic asylum. Stop using that as a talking point
Yet another fail at an impartial moderator. Why didn’t Konstantin make Gorka respond to the liberal guy’s points? He just kept rambling. Then Konstantin started debating the liberal as well?? I like these exchanges of ideas but honestly that guy made Trump and Gorka look bad
Right? I was so lost when the "moderator" started arguing too. Just complete buzzword salad.
Because gorka and Kisin are on the same side, these idiot charlatans are afraid to debate him alone.
@@user-xr7fi6dy1w I guess you don’t know enough to realize that just about everything destiny said was a lie.
@@CynicalGear Would have been great if Gorka gave some counter arguments huh?
@@CynicalGearliterally other dude just kept saying "that's a lie. That's not true" then had no Relevant response, data or proof. Just.... More dumb Republican "fake news" trash. Dude. You CANNOT just call shit fake anymore! Fake news fake news stfu with that shit! PROVE IT IS FAKE!!!!!!!
Sebastian is like 99% rhetoric and 1% generalization. Very little engagement with substance.
So just like Destiny then.
@insanehippiehippieinsane3828 "no u"
@@insanehippiehippieinsane3828Destiny engages with 99% of points made towards him during debates. That’s just objectively true, regardless of whether you like him or agree with him. Literally use your ears and count how many times Destiny directly engages with what Seb says versus how many times Seb either answers with loosely connected subject matter or completely diverts.
@metapotamus I mean. He engaged them by lying. Claiming the border crisis was a problem needing new legislation is gaslighting that the dems denied the crisis the entire time until election year. Now they can't solve the problem they created without more laws? Gaslighting at its finest.
So yeah, if that's what you call engaging. Both these guys were like listening to FOX vs CNN. Not much substance just same old spin factories
@@insanehippiehippieinsane3828 no, that's just you projecting and pretending as if the guy you don't like, is as dishonest as the guy that used 99% rhetoric as an "argument"
Quit staring at the end of your nose and pay attention to reality.
Fed surrection, not insurrection. And Trump picked up the Obama birther thing from Hillary.
Fap fap fap fap we fap to your bs
i really tried to give some credit to Destiny.... but after 10 seconds i had to give up... he does not live in reality the rest of the people do.
I wonder at what point in this debate this Gorka guy realized he is sitting across somebody who knows a shit ton more then him about every subject that was covered.
Literally the opposite of the truth lol. Destiny has done nothing of worth in his life and zero real world experience. No true knowledge of anything. He just rattles off talking points he read on wikipedia, if theres a wiki page he forgot to read on thursday, then on friday his entire position can change because his topical knowledge is so insanely shallow. its so fucking cringe that this guy is considered a skilled debater lmfao
what you mean the other guy dont know nothing just like to throw shit out and make it hard for other people to talk
Hahahah, yea, one guy was in trumps admin and the other is a wiki crackhead.
Destiny gets owned by literally everyone I've ever seen him debate "besides Ghorka" good to see him win even tho he's a retard
Exactly right! I’m baffled why this moron who calls himself by a fake name keeps getting out in front of people and clearly debate something he just read online, this dude is the epitome of this know it all generation but by every measurable metric every thing they say is incorrect
Does nobody else remember when Trump campaigned on imprisoning his opponent and won?
He did, though it is not fair or accurate to say that that is what won him the race.
@@adrianalexanderveidt344 it didn't turn off his fans and sycophants though
@@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957 Yeah, but that's why they are sycophants. Trump was right when he said that his supporters would still vote for him even if he killed someone in the middle of 5th avenue.
He joked at a debate.. then guess what- she’s been through enough- is what he said
He also had a point. she did destroy 30,000 pieces of evidence after being subpoena'd.
I'm disappointed. I only watched about 20 min (so maybe this changes). I was hoping for something better. As someone who is generally leans conservative. Gorka was so incompetent, it made me embarrassed to be aligned with him. If someone knows of a competent conservative, I'd love suggestions. Because Gorka is NOT it. I know of Ben Shapiro and like him, but I'm always trying to expand my base.
In the end, Destiny was relegated off to the side like a child sitting at the "Kids Table"...because he's a child..
Wait, is the moderator moderating or is he also part of the debate. I'm confused ...
Yeah it’s weird bruh
Yeah, he is smart and clearly supports the right
@@GoFast4Me he's not even on the right. he is pretty centrists. he just calls out BS, and whackjobs consider anything that doesn't manifest into their fantasy world as right wing.
@@GoFast4Mehe challenged both however more times than most destiny uses feelings in his arguments so it just seemed he supports the right but really it’s just pointing out obvious shit
Very few of the people who debate economics should be doing so. Economies don’t just reset with each presidential term. Trump’s record high money printing and record low interest rates obviously set the stage for rapid inflation. Biden has been spending like that never happened. So effectively both of them contributed to decimating the average American’s quality of life.
I wish more people understood that. Instead, we live in a world where people talk about how great or how terrible things have gotten a week after election day. It's maddening.
Yea we know that bro 🫶
Except the American economy is stronger than ever currently. Unemployment is LOWER than it should be and has been so for years except for the 18 months during covid..
There are no metrics that say that the economy is doing poorly and that the average American's quality of life has stagnated, let alone decreased.
@@Tysca_ and don’t let the fact that Red Lobster just laid off like 5,000 employees in any wayyyyyyy shape your opinions!!
Everyone is doing great!!! Just listen to you dawg ❤️
@@Macheako You can look at statistics. These pop headlines dont change the standard of living for almost any american... Yes layoffs happen, thats what companies do, they want to be efficient to compete in the marktet...
Destiny is so disrespectful…he’s doodling while Doc is talking! Not paying attention at all!! He’s preaching !
As just an ordinary person listening to the same dam talking points about the border & the bill- I find it EXTREMELY frustrating!!! The back & forth and blame game drives me crazy.. “Trump wouldn’t let it pass”, it’s so frustrating because 1) some people had been trying to raise the alarm about the border for so long, while other people flat out denied there was even an issue! For a long time I watched as people made it out to be “another right wing conspiracy”, just more hyperbolic nonsense.. then suddenly out of nowhere “yes there’s a problem. But we’re the good guys trying to fix it while those bad guys won’t let us” I’m sorry WHAT. And 2) what about everything else in that bill. Why are we even calling it a border bill🤷🏻♀️ so, to do anything about the border we also have to send money to other countries?… and what good is it if it’s still going to just allow them to come on in.. what good is having more agents if they’re going to continue to allow them to come on it.. I mean, I may not be the most well versed in reading legislation- and I’m certainly not the most educated on politics, but I read that and nothing about it made me feel like “yes! This is what we need.. this is the answer. This is going to help this major issue”
It’s so frustrating to see how yet another thing gets manipulated & twisted.
I generally respect Destiny. There’s things I agree with him on & things I don’t; but overall I respect him. But then there’s moments- such as discussing the border- when he resorts to/ stoops down to this ignorant level of just regurgitating talking points & sounds like every other progressive. It’s frustrating
It is hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's even harder to win an dumb person 😕
Gorka is just a politics bot at this point. He doesn't engage with what Steven is saying and just rambles about semi-related topics. When there is disagreement from his side, he appeals to emotions and annedotes.
so is steven he throws lies thinking its the truth
@@srcwolf what did he lie about?
@@kyleferguson1729 Yeah that answer won't be coming anytime soon.
@@kyleferguson1729 On most things he lied. He lied about the immigration bill. Gorka was right. He lied that Trump didn't have any significat foreign achievements. Gorka said he defeated the ISIS caliphate & baghdadi. That flew right over the liar's head.
@@MiniatureMashUp What did he not lie about?
27:42 right, but allowing in 5,000 a day would have been a permanent number. So, when Trump comes in and closes the border they would still have to take in 5,000 a day.
The bipartisan conservative border bill would have solved that issue. The one Trump told his stooges not to pass because he needed to run on it.
I thought Destiny got outed for trying to get w/underage girls.
Kind of telling how Gorka never engages with what destiny says, and always answers in narratives and analogies. One is trying to do an analysis of the facts and the supposed intellectual is talking about Alice in wonderland and pizza boxes. And the facts gorka does talk about are often wrong. Like energy prices was flat out wrong. Immigration ‘minimum’ flat out wrong. Actually even by common sense a minimum cap is wrong.
Idk I don’t much about the facts myself but the fact that one side is only engaging superficial rhetoric makes me lean towards destiny more
Destiny does NOT like facts. He lies about J6, Ashley Biden's diary. I have called him out on his lies on his own UA-cam page. No response. He's a soy boy girlie man who ignores truth.
Uh. He mentioned the ISIS caliphate and that nervous dufus on the left just ignored that.
I can’t believe you think either side of this is remotely intellectual or actually coming with an open mind. Both of these guys are equally as bad. I’m sorry.
This debate would have been great if Gorka had sited a single fact on his side. More right-wing propaganda nonsense.
Exactly but in reverse
17 minutes in and Destiny has done nothing but lie. He lied about Donald Trump, telling his supporters to do an insurrections, he then proceeded to lie that Donald Trump tried to suspend the constitution, he then completely lies about the border. And the border, Bill. I’m sorry to tell you, but it wasn’t right wing propaganda. It was just left-wingers like yourself being brainwashed.
Literally 90% of this debate was destiny lying. But it’s quite obvious that you’ve been brainwashed by the same people that worked on destiny.
No, just facts brainwashed people with no common sense aren't mentally capable of comprehending because it doesn't gel with what they've force fed by MSNBC, CNN and everyone else who doesn't give two shits about America. Sad.
Exactly but in double reverse
Destiny needs a private room with a padded cell on a Funny Farm in an undisclosed location and kept there for the rest of his life. I smell his stench over the internet.
"ADH version of Ben Shapiro haha"
Did we just witness a Boxing match between a Mouse and an Elephant??