"Do you know why human life is sacred?" "Because so few humans are alive compared to the number that are dead". Food for thought that should give us pause.
It would be wrong. Everyone believed in reincarnation until about the year 500AD, when the Roman Emperor decided that he didn't want the Christians to believe in reincarnation, so he had it removed from the official teachings, which is why it is not in the bible today.
@@atpcliff And how can you show that? The Orthodox Church believed in soteriology and taught that, based on Apostolic Tradition. You're thinking of the protestant movement, which is circular, and you can't prove "Everyone believed in reincarnation." Even if they did, which they didn't, it doesn't make it true by the Apostles' teachings; you just keep relying on fallacies like the mass appeals. The Apostles taught The Incarnation; there is no reincarnation in the Orthodox Church. So, I think you're putting in a word concept fallacy by thinking that just because Christians die, they're "born again", when it means something completely different.
Well Ellison is a christian so it seems his bias in teaching the value of a machine human life, is going to be based in his beliefs. I am not saying it is right or wrong. But since Ellison is the one teaching him, those are the values he's going to try and impose.
That makes sense. In hunter-gatherer societies, people often have rituals to thank the animals they have killed for sustenance. My dad used to like to go hunting when we visited relatives in west Texas. But one of my cousins would get a little drunk and would shoot at does, and then would often just wing them so they'd run off to die a slow and painful death. So my dad stopped hunting altogether because there was no way he could tell my cousin not to go.
Good point but John henry is being positioned as opposition to Skynet thereby he has to ahve a differnet view of others who are differnt to him! To be effective he has to be more than just a super computer he must be more than just a machine!
hence, his mind does not work like a 6 year old's. It works like a machine with the curiosity and general behavior patterns of a gifted 6 year old. There's a massive difference between the two. Religion would not work. Machines aren't capable of blind faith.
@durge666 Okay, I respect your comment. Let's try some presupposition apologetics: If only man decides what is right, then nothing is wrong. If you prove by that reasoning that there is a higher power, then you add an "x-factor" into what the "machine" sees as an unknown variable. He must then investigate this "x-factor". get it?
So, according to that logic, all life on Earth is sacred. I guess that's all right, but what are you going to do with that? Didn't it matter whether the chicken I ate tonight lived or died? And what about the feed the chicken ate? Is all life not equally sacred, and if not why not?
what if john/skynet destroys mankind BECAUSE he eventually sees himself as tool of god later on? what if he thinks mankind betrayed god.......turnt itself away from god.......or god made a mistake.......?
The question isn't about god though - the question is about humanity and how we choose to define it. Genetic engineering and other emerging technologies indicate that humanity may not be a matter of biology, but rather our capacity to care about each other. We Homo Sapiens can only have meaningful feelings for around 100 individuals - would a machine with developed feelings for thousands be more human in that respect?
"Do you know why human life is sacred?"
"Because so few humans are alive compared to the number that are dead".
Food for thought that should give us pause.
he couldve just said because we are unique and only get to live once. death is permanent.
It would be wrong. Everyone believed in reincarnation until about the year 500AD, when the Roman Emperor decided that he didn't want the Christians to believe in reincarnation, so he had it removed from the official teachings, which is why it is not in the bible today.
@@atpcliff And how can you show that? The Orthodox Church believed in soteriology and taught that, based on Apostolic Tradition. You're thinking of the protestant movement, which is circular, and you can't prove "Everyone believed in reincarnation." Even if they did, which they didn't, it doesn't make it true by the Apostles' teachings; you just keep relying on fallacies like the mass appeals.
The Apostles taught The Incarnation; there is no reincarnation in the Orthodox Church. So, I think you're putting in a word concept fallacy by thinking that just because Christians die, they're "born again", when it means something completely different.
Well Ellison is a christian so it seems his bias in teaching the value of a machine human life, is going to be based in his beliefs. I am not saying it is right or wrong. But since Ellison is the one teaching him, those are the values he's going to try and impose.
"Would you like to play again?" Funny summation of the entire premise behind the Terminator series.
If a machine can learn respect for all other forms of life then maybe there is hope for us!
That makes sense. In hunter-gatherer societies, people often have rituals to thank the animals they have killed for sustenance.
My dad used to like to go hunting when we visited relatives in west Texas. But one of my cousins would get a little drunk and would shoot at does, and then would often just wing them so they'd run off to die a slow and painful death. So my dad stopped hunting altogether because there was no way he could tell my cousin not to go.
Pray your cousin doesn't pull something like that in front a hard core die hard hunter.
Good point but John henry is being positioned as opposition to Skynet thereby he has to ahve a differnet view of others who are differnt to him! To be effective he has to be more than just a super computer he must be more than just a machine!
Ellison obviously doesn't know about the future.
John Henry is very nice and good 💗 I like him!
It's Cromartie
@@RobertK1993 Technically, it's just the shell of Cromartie with John Henry now controlling the Terminator's functions.
hence, his mind does not work like a 6 year old's. It works like a machine with the curiosity and general behavior patterns of a gifted 6 year old. There's a massive difference between the two. Religion would not work. Machines aren't capable of blind faith.
Are you 100% sure of that?
It may be the one thing that obsesses a CPU in its quiet hours.
HAL did not want to die...
@durge666 Okay, I respect your comment. Let's try some presupposition apologetics:
If only man decides what is right, then nothing is wrong. If you prove by that reasoning that there is a higher power, then you add an "x-factor" into what the "machine" sees as an unknown variable. He must then investigate this "x-factor".
get it?
he's trying him in to venomfangx
So, according to that logic, all life on Earth is sacred. I guess that's all right, but what are you going to do with that? Didn't it matter whether the chicken I ate tonight lived or died? And what about the feed the chicken ate? Is all life not equally sacred, and if not why not?
Obviously the chicken mattered, because you ate it!
Is this Cromartie?
No, this is just Cromartie's body being used by the AI.
@@badjr0 ……with Cameron’s chip, John Henry would have become most powerful.
what if john/skynet destroys mankind BECAUSE he eventually sees himself as tool of god later on? what if he thinks mankind betrayed god.......turnt itself away from god.......or god made a mistake.......?
You are assuming we evolved out of nothing. When you se what you see, is thet the conclusion you come to?
"Evolutionary morality"??? Huh
The question isn't about god though - the question is about humanity and how we choose to define it.
Genetic engineering and other emerging technologies indicate that humanity may not be a matter of biology, but rather our capacity to care about each other.
We Homo Sapiens can only have meaningful feelings for around 100 individuals - would a machine with developed feelings for thousands be more human in that respect?
Person of interest did this soooo much better.
Probably not the best idea to teach an AI about fear based religious beliefs
I was very disappointed to find out that the floor in John Henry's underground vault is hollow wood.