Why do Japanese train drivers point at everything?
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2017
- Why do Japanese train drivers point at everything?
Japanese train drivers must point at all important signs and warnings. This way they show that they have noticed it and are aware of it. Train safety in Japan is the best in the world, you can see here why. It can look a bit funny when seen for the first time.
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This is how we drive with my wife in Manhattan, she points at Gucci store and I point at no standing anytime sign.
You are the man .. lol
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Lmao
in Romania the train drivers do this too, pointing at all the stolen infrastructure / signals lights and then cursing.
Ljmao
Asa e sa-mi bag...
In Czech Republic, it's common practice to do this even on roads. Only difference is we use the middle finger.
Thaaaiii sa-mi bag
Šimon heute gestohlen- morgen schon in Polen (today it’s stolen- tomorrow it’s already brought to Poland)
I thought this was going to be an explanation video
Same
Learn to read the description.
@@mobspeak sorru I dontu havu PhD in thatu
Jk they are wonderful people
description
It is obviously to demonstrate they have seen the signals, warning signs and information indicators. It is a kind of mental feedback method. I once worked for a trucking company that insisted all trainee drivers had to spend a week driving with an instructor and speak everything they saw and what they planned to do about it. The company called it TBA (Thought-Body-Action) It is intended to give the instructor/tester information about how alert the trainees are and their thinking process. I thought it was utterly dumb as a trainee for the company. Later, as a driver it really surprised me how it changed my driving habits. As an instructor, later, I really understood the importance of thought-body-action training. But, unfortunately, most trainees don't really catch on to how it is affecting them mentally. The ones that do become excellent drivers. I suspect the Japanese were the inventors or at least the refiners of the TBA training process.
ACADMan
I was kinda coming to the same conclusion, but then they passed a signal light without either of them pointing to it...
I did not see that. Can you direct me to the time frame?
ACADMan I also had to do the speaking what your doing method while learning to truck drive and it’s harder then you think. But defiantly reduced mistakes.
you guys know what the description is for? obviously not
Oh- Well, we are curious- What is it for, then? Could you enlighten us?
These people take so much pride in their work.
Pikapetey Animations they deserve
J P in the description it is called "trainsafety", but I say "never nuke a country twice"...
Japans Railways have a delay of less then a minute per year. All lines together, inkl the shinkansen...
Even Germany witch used to be very accurate had 3.8 millions of minutes delay in 2015... 😂
Lennart Fischer on that I call bullshit, it would not even be possible to measure the delay in that small numbers
... And don't even get me started on Dutch railways...
I operate diesel and electric commuter and freight trains for an American railroad. We don't call and point, but it certainly would help prevent mishaps if we did. The Japanese employees, in every craft, are absolutely astonishing to watch. Their professionalism and work ethic is peerless. Watching these people work is almost like watching art.
What railroad is it nj transit
Goviacn Ont Japanese carriers seem to operate at far faster speeds than NJT.
Goviacn Ont NJ transit my ass.....NJ transit doesn't know how to tell the right time of day. All they want is more money. NJ transit is useless compared to the Japanese.
If you think it would help, feel free to start doing it. Its always better to be safer.
In Europe, where I'm living, on most railroads locomotives are operated by single train driver, so pointing like that would be useless.
I was kinda sad when he didnt pointed at the huge bridge :(
I love you. Pointed
I was thinking he'd point at that too. It threw me off when he didn't cause now I really don't know what they're pointing at.
Haha, i actually skipped back to see if i just missed it or if he really didn't point
@Roddy Rod Pointed**
@Roddy Rod hehehe ;P
Play at 2x speed for added thrill.
This comment made me, properly, belly laugh
Sparkey hahahahaha intense!! Thank you for your service
Smh, adrenaline junkies.
Thanks for the tip. It worked
I don't think I could handle any more thrill than this.
I trust these two with my life
i don't
Nick De Las Alas the real Question is would you trust them with your wife.
lol yes I would feel safer on this train than in my own country. I don't think our train drivers are as engaged in their jobs or as desiplined... and there's only one of them.
You're crazy then men, Half of these people over there are suicidal. You have got to be kidding me. lol
Cliff Tavares Half of them? Evidence? And even those that are don't tend to take others with them like they do in other countries. He'll get me home safe first.
They do it just in case they forget what direction they are going in
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Get out
hah
Ahhhhh. I see. Your smart.
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It's a safety protocol the Japanese introduced designed to reduce mishaps. They did a study and found that key situations indicated with physical association reduced the likelihood of negligence through fatigue.
@forsenCD They don't always have 2 people but if they do its required that you call out signal changes so that the 2nd person can confirm, a lot of countries do this (the calling not the pointing). This technique wasn't developed because they were overworked it was developed because 100+ years ago a steam locomotive engineer named Yasoichi Hori was going blind. To make sure he didn't make a mistake he would point and call out the signals to his fireman who would confirm them back to him..
This is Japan rest of the world will understand this after 50 years
lololololol
yeah, in no time we will be putting cannibals in the tv, and paying them for it to the point where they can live outa killing dutch people like Issei Sagawa, what a future, all about respect im i right
Haha.. nice ans
Gabbar Singh 😂
Arre O Samba....
It must work. The Japanese rail systems are the safest and most efficient in the world. You have to give a lot of respect to them for what they have created.
Agreed. I wondered this too... i thought it might have something to do with signaling and such
At first it was perplexing to me. But as with most things, if you watch and listen long enough, it reveals itself. I'm in my 70s now but I have had a love affair with trains all my life. It started with the steam engines when I was a kid. Then, thanks to the internet, I got access to the Shinkansen's and it just intensified. My bucket list has one item, Shinkansen! Just maybe, I'll make it, who can tell?
steve dotson you fucking white supremacist
Why do you call him that?
You sure will Railfan ,You surely will !
On Amtrak in the US, they also point. They point at the guys on the side of the tracks that are throwing bottles and bricks at them. LOOK OUT, DUCK!!!!!!!!!
johnnyp pi ....and then get so distracted that they lose track of which curve they’re entering.
Lol they aren't on their phone texting their 4 girlfriends and baby mama?
They are comparing notes while they drive the train and are pointing to the houses that have girls they banged.
Round here all the foamers point at the trains
KC9UDX sounds like a handle for armature radio!
Cause they wanna make a point.
IllumiNaughty that's punny
Oswell Music LoL
That’s the point. He wanted to make a point.
Sorry, I just had to point that out.
😂
Nice
If this was a pun competition, you'd have maximum points.
Yusuf Ali Thanks for pointing that out! I’m assuming you were pointing that remark at me? Maybe it’s pointless to assume though! LoL
Guess we need to wait for season 2 to know the truth.
Theyre both making sure theyre headed the same direction
That's a good one
Stephen King that's funny
Nice
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i burst 🤣😂🤣
:DDDDD
Guy pointing out all his favorite dogging spots.
(reads comment while drinking soda, nose hurls diet coke on keyboard)
kek
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Wow some spots must be pretty neat, they both point at the same time.. Or Maybe something else was done there lol..
Good thing it wasn't regular Coke, otherwise a sticky mess and possibly ruined keyboard. Ruined computer if laptop!
Outstanding culture. Well done Japan.
ARCTIC TOWER tf wrong with you🤦🏽♂️
@@AsapShawn wdym?
Engage!
Engage!
Engage!
Engage!
Warp factor 22 at least.
Make it so
That bloke's white gloves wouldn't stay that colour for more than 10 seconds on our trains in the UK.
Cyberdon Blue Could you explain why? (asking as a non-British from outside UK)
Dirty, smelly, sticky.
Don't ride British trains! :P
superbly random ignore them. Not all trains are like that. I've been on plenty of lovely clean trains. Some rail networks are worse than others and some routes get priority over others. Plus it depends on time of day.
Sure could be cleaner but I think trains in the UK are not that bad. The system has decent coverage. But prices are ridiculous and would be better if the system had not been nationalised. It is not as bad as back in 1999/2000 in my opinion.
Cyberdon Blue that is a lie. I live in England. British trains are really nice as well.
Why do they point? It is called reinforcement. Signs, important values, settings etc, are identified and are acted upon. The effect is then acknowledged. This is one method of attempting to ensure everything is noticed and the appropriate responding action is taken. It would be interesting to see if their error rate is reduced as a result. I have the feeling it will be.
Trevor Austin o I see you read the description too!
top comment, well explained. I actually do this when I lock my door when I go out; it reinforces the fact that I've locked both locks so I dont have to run back up to check it, haha.
“research conducted in 1994 by the Railway Technical Research Institute. Workers asked to complete a simple task made 2.38 errors per 100 actions when no special steps were taken to prevent errors. When told to add just calling or just pointing, their error rate dropped significantly. But the greatest reduction in error - to just 0.38 mistakes per 100 actions - was achieved when workers used both steps together. The combination of pointing and calling reduced mistakes by almost 85 percent.” - www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2008/10/21/reference/jr-gestures/#.Wf_xL1_ZWf1
In some countries this is part of advanced drivers training. Police drivers and civilians do this to pass advanced tests. There are a few youtube examples of police drivers doing it.
I do the same thing when I drive my car
I train Japanese pilots. They are extremely disciplined, detail oriented and holistic as a team. Some of the best and safest pilots I’ve had the pleasure of training!
Do they point at every cloud so that they don't get distracted doing kamikaze on the way to their destination?
And what do you do when not playing Battlefield 2 on pacific servers?
Look at these dickheads lmao.
Too much discipline can be detrimental such as illustrated by the 2001 Japan air lines mid-air incident.
Banzai
I’m a heavy goods tanker driver in the uk. When I got the job with a company that trains you properly, one of the procedures I was taught is called ‘point and tell.’ It’s a verbal recognition exercise to stop you simply opening valves on auto pilot or, without thinking.
It makes sense what Japanese drivers do here, pretty much the same thing.
I work for a critical IT facility and I do the same thing when perform critical task, for example if I need to turn a breaker on or off I have to point to the on/off location before touch the level and turn it. This does make the operation become more accurate and show the professional when performing any critical tasks.
Just one quality has made this country one of the best in the world 🗺: DISCIPLINE.
yeah and then comes tsunami and ruin it all, or earthquake, all disasters known to the man are so common in Japan.
Japan has plenty of downsides related to the cultural traits associated with what you refer to only as DISCIPLINE.
I don't know how I ended up here even stranger is that I noticed you John!
John Nash
100% agree👍👍👍
More compliments from this guy..lol
I thought it was wishful thinking /positive attitude to continue going straight and don't derail. 😕
No they are the master race
Honorary Aryans.
Hahahahah
Hahahahah
Dr. Mark in Texas IM DEAD😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
To stay focus on safety
I did that too when I was working.
These guys will never get lost with their amazing sense of direction. Always pointing you in the right way.
excellent safety standards. great nations do every thing with great attention
Yeah, no train accidents from inside, however Japans attention to detail probably is the reason why so many of their people jump in FRONT of the train instead.. :(
Karoshi is no joke
The reason why they use so much signals and their voice is quite simple. The Japanese found out that the likelihood of people making a mistake decreases by up to 80 percent if you use your voice and (hand)gestures when performing a task or making a decision compared to only “thinking” it.
Thanks for the explanation. ☝️
Its like you read the video's description or something
“Ooooh look that cloud looks like a puppy”
everything is clean , inside or outside, trains arrive at seconds, stops at centimeters, uniforms impeccable, what an amazing country and amazing people
I love the white gloves culture in Japan
Yeah, they're all cartoon characters.
Happy Ending?
That's track
That's more track
And more track
More track
OH... never mind more track
Track again
And more track
Guess what
MORE TRACK
DRAGON King that's genius
MORE GENIUS..
GUESS WHAT?
ABSOLUTE GENIUS
OOOh, I think I saw a penny!
DRAGON King XDDDD
DRAGON King and Tree! Oh shit...
DRAGON King
Guess what
Theres a bit more track
I love how much passion and emotion they put into their pointing. It isn't just quick, no effort pointing; they have to reel back the point and snap it towards its target every time. It's quite cute. ^.^
Japan cares about their people. So much respect. This warms my heart.
Its not a matter of caring at all, but just solid logic. A well oiled machine runs best. The trains transport citizen's to their jobs which maintains the economy etc etc its complicated af honestly but its not from caring.
Then why is there so many elevator-related accidents that only happends in Japan recomended on my youtube newsfeed? That's really bad mechanic solutions
@@Meqanich youre talking about a japanese game show actually haha
Yea because Japan is the only country that doesn't run people over in trains huh?
@@AG.Floats nobody but you is saying that
ENGAGE
Snake Eater FUCKING YES!
A warp level for each hand jester?
LMAO
Snake Eater WE NEED TO ATTAVK THIS OBJECTIVE!
LOL
Very professional, respect.
They are one of the master races
MuscleTrucker very stupid!!!
He takes the hands and eyes off the road to press the button every single time and if he needs to stop his reaction time is lost!
What road are you talking about. this is a train!
MuscleTrucker
It's still a rail road you dumb fuck!
I don't remember pissing in your cheerios this morning, but ok.
NYC subway conductors are trained to do the same thing when they pull into stations. There's usually black and white candy cane striped signs that hang from the station ceiling, near the conductor window. They're trained to open the window, and point to the sign at every station before opening the train car doors. I was told they do it to show they're paying attention to the passengers getting on and off the train. I was also told they're filmed on CCTV by the MTA to make sure that every conductor does the "correct pointing" I guess lol. That might also explain why in this video they point at many more objects when they're on the busy part of track and less when they get away from it.
Here in Italy the drivers point too, but they point at the broken signals and the idiots crossing the tracks when the train is near!
Japanese discipline honor and respect is the most amazing thing ever. I have high respect for their work ethic, culture and determination. Not only the love and passion they find within every profession they do.
they also kill themselves.. a lot lol
pine pine The new generation can't handle the dexterity of the older generations
4lost in isolation
i can pretty say that living at Japan is quite stressful..
This follows similarities with air traffic and such that you must state what is happening and readbacks and all that. This should be an international standard.
Doesnt make any sense how that could be a international standard
think he means it should be standard practice for what they are doing. it apparently reducing mistakes up to 85% and there is also a seasoned trucker who trains newer driver who insists how important it is. but I think he called it thought body action or something like that.
Se7en this sort of rigor is critical if you want consistent, reliable high performance.
Read about "the Toyota way" and hansei and kaizen if you want to know more. The Japanese have virtually perfected the model of high performance reliability.
it's called "shisa kanko" - pointing and calling method that makes drivers focus more on what they're doing.
I never realised how fun it is to watch someone point at things
I thought the train went over a big hump at 1:52 lol :)
Passengervehicles speed bump
LOL :)
Nicolas Bugmy get a life
Passengervehicles
Thank you for pointing that out.. :)
wheres Wally ? there he is
A video asking a question with a descriotion that answers it. Here is the true hero of the internet.
The man on right puts such finesse into his gestures.
They are pointing at the rival train drivers ahead. "Im coming for your ass."
'Shisha kanko' ( calling and pointing ) is something i adopted when driving my minibus - it DEFINITELY keeps you focused on what you need to be focused on - your driving !
i use Japanese vocabulary for speed limits ( sekudo seigen ) and traffic light sign (shinko )
i don't care about looks i may get - the object is to keep people safe on the roads (and all other forms of transport too ! )
not shisha, shisa 指差
When driving my car, I have taken to verbalizing when it is clear to turn left or right at intersections. Saying "clear right" or "clear left" gives me an extra second to actually look and forces me to focus a bit more. I find it very useful and perhaps safer. Who can say.
Thank you for the correction.
Good for you. More people should do that
LS hahahaha same. I'll call out all clear on both sides. But more to pretend I'm doing something important like with aircraft. I also put my turn signal on a bit early or even if i don't need to remind me to turn
The view is so clean that it looked like a virtual training from the cabin.
this video just left more questions than answers
My brother does that when he drives, he has Tourette’s
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is not funny.
ahh : (
I’m not even lying 😂
Ger - correct. So , my question would be.
"What is wrong with u"
On some American freight railroads, the engineer (driver) is required to call out the aspect of the signals on the two-way radio. I believe this is a similar concept to make sure drivers acknowledge the signal.
Cole Croley How so? The major derailments I’m aware of in recent years (in the USA) have involved passenger trains, not freight. And failure to maintain awareness of track speed limits seems to be a factor more often than passing a stop signal. Not to suggest that this is an acceptable situation. I agree that railroad safety needs much improvement.
As a train operator were instructed to point at our version of traffic lights to keep us engaged and make sure that we are paying attention ahead of us. If a train was to pass a signal on a red then it could be potential for an accident as in a head on collision or misaligned track that would lead to a derailment. I do this all the time.
It´s called Shisa Kanko - Pointing and Calling, and it drastically reduces accidents! Sometimes lower than one percent. This method is also used in military aviation, navy, and in industry and other dangerous professions.
🍎 🚅 Pointing on Amtrac would interfere with cell phone use 😱
sandy moonstone After all, how can you point and text at the same time?
Cant even spell it right dumbass
+ New Milford RAIL FAN - Feel better now?
Japanese drivers can't take their cellphones on the trains. They use only the on-board telephone and if necessary telephones along the line.
*Amtrak (AMTK)
When I become a cta ( Chicago Transit Authority ) rail operator I'm going to use this practice unofficially.
When the passengers point back at you they'll be using their middle finger!
johnnyp pi Shut up bloody tart
Tech 83 Studio too late. That’s already a policy there. It’s called “point and acknowledge.” There’s a bulletin on it...
Richard Head Congratulations you are so ignorant that's awesome.
Richard Head Do the human population a favor do not breed !
No wonder why are they the best, intense hard work and commitment
I've been on these trains and they are awesome. Thank you Japan for a great trip.
Why not? Pointing’s fun.
Adventure Guy and rude
Ryan, pointing people is rude but pointing objects, directions and ideas is commitment with precision and exactness.
José A.R. Avelino Very true. But have you ever thought about those poor objects’ feelings? They probably don’t want to be pointed at by Japanese train drivers.
Ryan I believe we will achieve the ultimate expression of Cultural Marxism if we organise an Objects Pride Parade and march holding signs with " STOP OBJECTIFYING OBJECTS! " written on it. we should do it for the lolz.
José A.R. Avelino agreed
Its because they watched too much Star Trek TNG and now they keep saying Engage ! all the time
nice video
Here in the UK drivers don't drive trains. they strike.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes What's your problem? Just because you don't use trains
Striking and saying there is too many white men is part of British culture.
I would too if I was paid shit wages due to Thatcher privatizing everything.
@@mikuhatsunegoshujin shit pay?
Trains and subways in uk are trash. Always late, full of trash, no space, slow, retarded
It's a great idea for the driver to point at important signs. that way they can't ignore the signs and lie about it. I totally agree with the rules.
-"it's this way..."
-"no, this way..."
-"no no no no no....this way..."
-"sorry but no... It's this way"
Everest Destination u must know de wey
Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL !
It's much cleaner in the entire way than in my little room. Kudos to you.
This is comforting and reassuring to watch. It soothes my anxiety.
There's a certain irony aspect in operating a train. The driver has to watch for hazards on the tracks ahead, but by the time he sees something, it's usually already too late to stop.
因みに運転士は新人で右の男性が指導員です
Guy on the left has better eyesight 😂
There's so much charisma in their pointing
Real reason: They are doing this to confirm everything is going right.
Real reason behind the real reason: That's because you are filming them, and giving you an entertaining professional looking performance is part of their job
Lol dumbass.
@@underhillat lol you.
China Railway has similar rules, called"手比眼看嘴念", translate in English is "point it with hand, see it with eyes, and speak it with mouth". It is said that China Railway's operation and management rules are mix of Japanese's and Soviet's.
Tom Smith Yes, that is true. I saw this practice on Guangzhou Line 5. Basically the operator will point at thing he/she supposed to see, and speak what he/she see. And the co operator point at the same thing and confirm what he/she see. It makes sense to do it this way, it is same idea behind pilot is trained to grab operator manual under any anomalies condition.
Subway line? Yes, many subway, light rail do the simular rules as railway.
I'd point at things and speak if my eyes always looked shut.
1ns4ne1d10t
You made me cry looooool
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They must have some badass photo memory and can point to those signs even when their eyes are closed.
Seriously, I could watch this all day....
I have noticed this procedure followed by Japanese loco pilots of pointing at various indicators and signals.
As a rail fan I think it absolutely brilliant absolutely safety oriented and absolutely professional.
Hats off !!!!!
The drivers of trains in Indian Railways also have a similar system in place. All main line trains in India, still do have two drivers. And the Assistant driver actually has the job of "calling out" the signal indications (eg: "Distant signal.. clear", or "Caution board 20" etc.). The driver would also check and call out "Right", and then work on to take the next set of actions. In this way there is a mechanism for double check, plus on a very boring night on the loco cabin it is one way to keep both the drivers awake. This system may not work in the "suburban rail network", because the trains only have one "motor man" in the cab.
@Sachin Perinthalakkat
This is mainly a traditional and old way of doing things related to steam locomotives and american diesel locos going long hood forward. In both cases the driver cant see the other side very well, mainly in curves to the other side of his stand he is practically blind.
This doesnt apply to modern locos with two front cabines on each end therefore there is no need to have two drivers.
I understand. But in Indian Railways a two member crew is pretty much the standard (even now). Only on the local commuter trains (known as "suburban" trains) do we have a single driver (who is known as a "motor man").
Our Indian Railways always have 2 crew members on a loco...the Driver ( now Loco Pilot ) and the Assistant Driver whose job was to supervise coupling procedure exchange of flag signals and lookout for signals /track indicators...generally help the chief Driver.
We even used to have an Assistant guard called " Under guard " Who used to be in the first brake Van (SLR) next to the loco.
When the chennai madurai metre gauge Vaigai Express was introduced as the fastest train on MG it was diesel hauled with 2 A special grade drivers as crew.
Rajaram S and I think you are absolutely british
Glorious people living in a glorious country🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
ale84 ikr
ale84 it’s a rice box
Blind nationalism at work
Believe me ,,, there no glory in Japan ..... Just slave society !
New Milford RAIL FAN
Fuck of
Thank you for the explanación. I felt curiousity about that.
They are driving for the first time that's why they are so excited 😁
I have been on many trains in Japan. So Safe, always on time, and always enjoyable. Arigatoo Gozaimasu. Brian New Zealand
I coudn't agree more how enjoyable they are.
I observed JP train workers doing this on videos about their train operations once and noticed it was like "counting noses" to be sure everyone was there. I have incorporated that into my life as well for example after working in my yard. I point to car--locked, water--off, tools--put away etc. It really does help me to not miss something and on the train each guy knows the other one is watching. Just a good old fashion double check on what you are doing. Try it...I think you will see that it helps.
i actually do this, making remembering stuff easier, like when you travelling and afraid of forgeting something
Pointing is the equivalent of the air pilots' Challenge-and-Check list.
Super video 👍🏻
irelandbloke as always
Yeah go back to russia
@@gaounjahardick1586 ?? Why so racist? And who's russian here anyways?
Simple
Belief That There Is Literally Only One Country In The World
No pointing out all the naked babs along the track's.
Eric Wright I
What was your comment?
That lamp looked bloody nice in the driver's cabin.
I would trust these pilots my life without a millisecond of hesitation!
#1:"Did you see that bird?"
#2:"You mean that bird right?"
They are playing i-spy
Lol
Once day while riding in the front car on the Odakyu the driver was pointing and also shouting out the signals as the train rolled down the track. It was a warm sunny day and I was very entertained.
I finally watched this.. you happy now youtube??
It brings good luck.
They just want to make sure what they do.
Always checking if you do it good
I like the way they point.
So elegant
Theyre hallucinating seeing, shinigami everywhere
I understood that reference
DPWRepublic is this ryuk?
They saw ichigo sparring with grimmjow
GAMER BOI That's like a real thing here in Japan for the older folk. Seeing a shinigami means your time is coming.
Enjoyed the train ride.
Yes, this was something we had to explain to our out of town visitors....
The Pointing is actually an acknowledgment that the drivers are not only aware of each warning sign, but, that they are actively on the lookout for them.
I clicked thinking I was going to get an answer to why they point lol. Instead I wait and realize halfway in that no answer is coming. At least it was in the description.