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The omoplata isn’t a submission that is going to get finishes, but it will get sweeps. That’s the whole reason for learning it and folding it into your game
it is a hell of a solid position. the omoplata is a fantastic pinning position and you can transition into even better attacks like triangles, armbar, wristlock etc. or go into a marceloplata
Also, in gi or no gi, omopalata remains one of the most reliable and effective counters to those freak collegiate wrestlers who invariably show up to your school claiming it's "their first BJJ class"
It's very weird to do that without mentioning whatever other history in grappling you have that's maybe relevant, even if it's just to have people correct the "mistakes" you bring from that other sport.
@@peironepablo How is something called a Classic Submission not a sub? Then you use another classic sub, the Kimura as an example? At least you helped the algorithm for the channel, but otherwise your comment is a combination of stupid and worthless.
Steve, he is refering to the fact that you can maximize your knowledge of omaplata by viewing it more how you would view a position than a submission. Omaplatas are great for sweeps, setting up chokes, setting up armbars, using it as a body lock counter, etc. Kimuras nowadays are used more as a means to take the back than as a sub.
@@gTuya11and to add: and they are still submissions not positions because their positional power comes from treat of submission and not restricting body movement.
People should view the omoplata as a way to sweep and initiate scrambles. If the bottom guy just throws up triangles and armbars all day he is gonna stay on bottom.
Clark Gracie is known for his omaplata submissions., in the gi however. He even has an instructional on it, I believe. Overall , the statistics you report reveal it is not a high level submission.. It is used to make other positions more available. A good takeaway. Cheers.
My professor always taught us to think of the omoplata less as a submission and more as a position in itself that creates sweeps, scrambles, and other submissions.
That UFC clip in the beginning got me thinking about something else I've noticed lately. Today both Nogi BJJ and MMA are back to using a lot of the same meta. Especially in the medium to heavier weight classes, passing nogi is often forcing the half guard, and MMA is all about half-guard as well. In the lighter-weight classes in MMA we see a lot more scrambling to force back exposure and then immediately jumping to the back, even if just to get 1 hook in and then working from there. We see that a lot in bjj today as well. And in all weight classes in MMA attacking turtle is a huge deal. Lack of focus on side control is another big commonality. I'm oversimplifying it all, but for the first time since maybe the start of the UFC, high-level BJJ and MMA are back to a lot of the same stuff.
I think the reason to guys going to the back so often these days is just because there’s less resistance and you can really keep a guy flattened out in half guard, in fact in high school wrestling the first pin I learned was a cross face from half guard (or twister lol)
I think the problem with side control in MMA is having to control position while attacking with ground and pound plus the numerous top side escapes when any space is allotted, i think that's why we see people escape so often from side control in mma
100% The MMA trainers figured out this stuff a decade before the BJJ community. Technical Standups don't work against a smart opponent. Side-Control is not a very useful position. Chest-to-Chest Half-Guard is a pin, not a guard. Turning to the knees is the most reliable way to get back to the feet. Submission setups from Closed Guard are not reliable. Over training Closed Guard builds a complacency to be on your back. Shrimping is not a magical solution for everything.
What you’ve really done here is just make people focus more on transition from omoplata to leg attacks. There’s a common thread of chaining upper body to lower body subs. People attacking will get faster and more technical at the transition to the legs. There’s no benefit to putting yourself in a sub. The only way the counter attack can work is if the person doing the omoplata is slow or unaware. You’re about to see a lot more people transitioning from omoplata to saddle.
I always thought and felt that Omaplatas took a lot more effort and time to finish do to it being easier to defend. This video just confirms why i always used it as a window move opportunity to get on top or to chain into other submissions.
Clark gracie and bernardo faria had a good amount of omoplata finishes (especially clark) in gi it's definitely worth learning. No gi I agree it's almost useless
@@thos1618if you have a fully locked omoplata and then choke then whilst being in that postion, then the omoplata was a key role. You example makes no sense, there is no tension on the arm whilst performing a Bow and arrow choke or control most of the time. Which is a Huge contrast to my examples where both shoulder and choke is applied at the same time. Look his matches up if you're in doubt (which you are)
The idea that Marcelo didn’t use the omoplata is objectively false. The guy used it all the time. He wasn’t finishing but he was sweeping the living hell out of people.
Awesome stuff, I've had a hard time actually finishing them so I always just let them roll and I scramble for s mount. The more I learn the more I like being on top. Gaurd play is for younger flexible people change my mind lol Haven't thought about the leg entry though.
In my opinion, it depends on the guard, I would say closed guard or half guard would be something for someone who might be older or less athletic, takedowns for most people tend to require more athleticism than have a very well timed pull into closed guard where I can control my opponents hips a lot easier or half guard where I can constantly disrupt the top person’s balance. Again no disrespect just offering my thoughts
@Zachary R. Alatorre-Davies none takin, I'm just another scrub blue, who's and addict like everyone here lol. I enjoy closed gaurd too, I've just found with guys who are good at passing, guard play is exhausting since I'm worried about leg shootouts, so it feels like too much scambling. From half gaurd I've been liking wrestling up for throwing the arm over for back takes. In any case I've just found open gaurds tiring against these young beasts. And I struggle to do the flippy dippy stuff that makes a dangerous gaurd.
@Less Impressed More Involved BJJ I really need to go for them more, I work on cell towers so I tend to be a little gun shy in leg shootouts (say what you will but my tendons make me bank lol) Do you have any recommendations for a leg entanglement that reduces the likelihood of you getting footlocked back? I've found some success with the 411. I ain't trying to be a world beater I just dig this shit, right now I just use foot locks fake outs to pass the gaurd lol
This sequence still is great for no-Gi MMA and for sure basic self defense. Basics win fights, this will never be obsolete. Just because you cannot catch Rickson, Roger, or no Gordon Ryan does not mean this has no value. This is a misleading title. I love your channel.🥋🙏🏻
@@Traptinachangingmaze That's about two steps above basic. You'll probably learn it by the time you get to blue belt, but it's not something you'd include in a beginner's program. Omoplatas are such a low percentage submission and you'd rarely want to use it in self-defense since it gives the bad guy space to rip out.
wonderful analysis - but the focus on high-level competition leaves off the situation where omoplata really shines... strength and weight mismatches. omoplata gives me a chance to go on offense without (a) pulling a larger opponent very far off his base (b) requiring exotic mobility (c) the danger of getting stacked and (d) carrying ANY OF HIS WEIGHT.
I agree 100% and I think it’s funny how so many people are salty and trying to argue that you are wrong when there’s so much overwhelming evidence that proves all your points.
Omopalata is best conceptualized as a guard position rather than a submission. From that perspective, once mastered, it is one of the most effective guard positions in the game. That's my personal opinion as a BB with 23 years experience in the game. But I also believe it can be statistically verified. This video has some cool examples, but if you took a random sample of 100 top competitors who secure omopalata in competition, I'd wager close to 70% or more of those situations end advantageously for the grappler applying omopalata. I'll take a guard position with that success rate any day. As a pure submission, omo palata gets a 'D,' sure.
Omóplata is indeed THE position that set the difference between jiu-jitsu and the other grappling arts. There are some examples of omoplata in sambo and judo but are only techniques rather than systems to advance position (sweep, back take, submission, stalling)
Most people don’t hit the omoplata details correctly. The control is tough on bigger opposites. I often use as opportunity to get on top of someone tries it.
Omoplata is great as a transitional movement! I prefer stuffing the hand and transitioning to a barratoplata, for the finish, or pulling the hand for a tarikoplata though.
I love the fact your using EBI and CJJ footage during these examples and breakdowns. Yeah I'm a 10th Planet fan boy but still😅 Those shows have some of the most innovative moves and matches sometimes
It would be interesting to see stats on omoplatas leading to sweeps and other submissions. The reason those 3 submissions are taught together a lot is because they can chain back. I'll get a lot of triangles and armbars when people try to defend the omoplata. Also, in the case of Felipe Pena's recent match it was pretty clear he was trying to use the omoplata to get back exposure or force Rod to roll, which can be a strong attack.
It’s a shame because it is my main submission/sweep attempt from guard … but I myself realized long ago that it is not the most effective move from guard but still they only one I get occasionally with my short fat legs.
Never really thought about it, but yeah I have never caught anyone decent with an omoplata finish. When someone is savvy to the game I use it as a sweep to attack from triple threat.
Although Marcelo did not submit with standard omoplata, he did have a very high finish rate with monoplata. The omoplata he would sweep until on top then tradition to monoplata
The main issue with the omopalata is that everyone skips a major step of it and then wonders why they can't finish. Once your legs are on the arm you have to break their base. The most basic way to do this is to use the arm that reaches over their back to grab their opposite side hip, scoot your hips away and pull them down to their near side hip. This flattens them out and changes the angle of the submission to one that counteracts any flexibility they have in their shoulders. There are other ways to break them down but this is the most basic and obviously hardest to do on people with skill. If they are still on their knees, you can't finish anyone good with it and it's better to just sweep them. I can't remember the guys name but a couple of decades ago there was a competitor that would throw up an omopalata and immediately turn away and go belly down; basically spiral their own body which forced even standing opponents to immediately flip over to save their shoulder. He would then finish on top.
I used to give this one blackbelt I trained with the omaplata just to get out of his closed guard. Otherwise I'd have to work too hard to stand up in his guard.
What about that one black belt in Brazil who stopped a thief by holding him in an omaplata. Nah but seriously, another honorable mention is the reverse armbar from the omaplata, that I believe was used by Rafa mendes on occasion.
Without watching the video, I can already say as someone who has been doing bjj for a while, omoplatas feel like the one submission you can feel the most before its happening. At least for me. Triangles and armbars can really come from anywhere. But there are only certain positions that threaten omoplatas. Unless you extensively work with omoplatas and know how to hit one from every position, it's just a game of eliminations of the options they have left in those certain positions. Also not helping it is that it requires a lot more control of the body compared to the other subs. Which is probably why they work better in gi than no gi. Now as a threat they are good for setting up other attacks. But to actually finish the submission is a task in itself.
people were saying this same thing in 1995. no it will never be obsolete & its very useful. Things like RNC will always be higher % go to. I get people need to make content but misleading people who dont know any better for that purpose isnt a good thing.
Love the channel but dunno if I agree with this take. Watch some of Langnaker rolling footage at BTeam his omoplata is his main way to counter bodylock passes and it works really nicely. I think people avoid it due to lack of flexibility. If you can get to it its super versatile. Just not the strongest finishing position.
(actual questions no disrespect intended just trying to learn) What are your thoughts on Clark Gracie? What are your thoughts on the Omo Crucifix? NGL though. You got me reconsidering some things
To be honest I havent studied him too much. The Omo Crucifix looks super strong and has proven to work for sure. I just think it is important to consider what strategy you are trying to implement and how a technique fits into that strategy. In a world of leg lockers, the omoplata is becoming more and more risky so I think as long as you are aware of the risky you can make an educated decision on when/where to use it
I challenge the premise of this video. Bernardo Faria got 11 armbars, 5 triangles and 4 omoplatas in top level competition (only 1 RNC). To be successful at the omoplata (like any other submission), you have to understand the principles of it and become a specialist at it. The best resource on omoplatas is Faria's own DVD "Omoplata Everyone". Since watching it, my percentage at omoplatas went up.
Depends on who you're grappling against....you're not going to pull of an omoplato against a top tier pro, but a against a regular?. Especially if you transition to omoplata from Rubber Guard.
omoplata is a fake sub in nogi I've been saying for years. But also who the fuck am I to make such statement... thanks for being the voice of other nerds :')
It still makes the other person react and need to roll or get a knee/legs into a leg lock position. The person doing the omoplata should have the advantage to dictate the next position if they are aware of the counters
I've been teaching to not go past the 'Clamp' (as JD calls it), where your heel is dug into their far shoulder. Then use the clamp pressure to bring their head down, build up to an arm post, get hip height, and run the guy over with your hips. Just like the step-over you'd do with an Uchi-Mata / Whizzer-Kick in a Dog-Fight.
This video has ruined my Tuesday, lol. I do think omoplata is a good defense to the body lock (a la Felipe) or when your opponent shoots for a deep underhook while passing. And, I love a monoplata from mount.
bruh, 😯I hadn't seen Wiltse's no-hands* omoplata before - 2:09 - that was a thing of beauty! *He had a sort of seat belt body lock back control with control of opposite arm with just his legs...and locked it up with just his legs! Pretty dope. Also - where did you find that clip?? lol
Totally irrelevant but watching the replays and everything Gordon Ryan really is like miles above the rest. I almost always see his subs come from complete control and I don't think I've ever seen footage of him cranking anything. Respect his game a lot. All the other stuff i see on his insta is a separate issue though. xD
Frankly ye I’ve never actually subbed with the omaplata but it is basically a guaranteed sweep and my coach is really great at transitioning from it to mounted triangles, which is probably my least favorite place to ever end up lol
I love using omoplata variations and carni and gogo options in rubber guard personally, to sweep and submit. The traditional armbar triangle omo sequence is a tall order though I do agree with that, good vid though🙏🏽
Omoplatas are great to sweep and transition, not a great submission. Trying to finish the submission is very hard, but it is a great tool to transition to other submissions and sweeps
Yes, and are omoplatas used at the highest level to transition to better side control or leg entanglement positions? I.e. are they used not to finish but to set up other positions.
Yeah! I was just trying to point out if the strategy is to stay on bottom then it is going to be hard to leg lock people so an omoplata might not be the best move for that strategy
solid vid! do you consider the monoplata a finish from the omoplata? i find the mono's, once you've rolled on top, are significantly higher percentage than the regular omoplata but its essentially the same position...ish lol. definintely better for gi as you and basically everyone here has mentioned.
Becoming a specialist is a high-risk meta strategy. In ecology, the specialists get wiped out by small environmental changes, while the adaptive generalists can reign for 100's of thousands of years. I made this mistake for many years and put all of my skill points into Calf-Slicers, Octopus Guard, Omoplatas and other obscure / niche things I felt I could be the best at and thereby get the edge.
I catch the omoplata all the time have been from white to black belt worst case scenario the opponent rolls out and I get the sweep but even at that point with control of the shoulder/elbow there is opportunity for other submissions as well but as with all techniques success comes from the details there are levels to everything and we all choose what to focus on
Omoplata works against people who don’t know jiu Jitsu. Like your initial footage showed. Against pure wrestlers, sumo, untrained street fighter 😂 so I think it’s still good to be versed at it for self defense.
@@LIMIBJJ it's easier to compare volume in a bar chart. Pie charts containing a larger number of slices will pose difficulty in determining the fraction of smaller slices with respect to a larger one Edit: also if you have a lot of slices some colors of the slices will look the same. Especially troublesome for people who're colorblind. A bar chart wouldn't even need colors, just the name of the dimension in front of it
I have a couple omoplata finishes... At white belt. 🤣 I haven't actually FINISHED an omoplata at blue or purple. It's always been a sweep into follow on attacks.
What do you make of Danaher’s principle of “Pressure over Time” to melt an opponent. He implemented this concept with his students for ADCC comp specifically, I’m curious if you’ve noticed examples of this principle being applied to force an opponent to exhaust all their options and forcing them to commit to a tactic that will actually hurt them strategically. I think he used Gordon and Keenan’s matches against eachother as an example.
I really like the pressure over time strategy although it can be a bit boring to watch at times. I also really like the idea of using it to force an opponent to exhaust all their options and forcing them to go a route that will hurt them strategically. I think a good example of this may be the Pedro match with Gordon. Basically Pedro was begging Gordon to take his back to alleviate the pressure. Can you think of other examples? I think this would make for a good video
@@LIMIBJJ This is something I’m kind of just now looking into myself, so I was definitely curious if you had already dove into this concept. Firas and Danaher discussed this on his podcast analyzing Keenan and Gordon’s fights. Then they went on to discuss this principle contrasting Gordon (taking a more high percentage style) and Gary Tonon (risk taking style) but both coming from the same system, and how personality and attributes play a factor in style and strategy. Really interesting to listen to and thought provoking when looking at the evolution of how John approached competition strategy with his athletes.
@@Oni_Shinobi_JiuJitsu year very thought provoking for sure. I am actually in the process of making my video for next week and I am including a clip of danaher on the lex Friedman podcast. He apologized to Garry tonon because he felt as though he emphasized the pressure based game and that worked well for a lot of athletes except Garry
@@LIMIBJJ interesting! I remember that now that you mention that. On the pressure over time side of things, that flo doc on Giancarlo centered heavy on that principle for his finals match against Hulk. Particularly Giancarlo’s hand fighting against him and wearing on him in that manner. I think there’s some good nuggets on this topic in that doc.
I believe John said in order best submissions rates are 1. Rear strangle 2.???? 3. guillotine 4.Armbars 5.????? Idk what 5 or 2 are. I just remember him talking about in on his videos from BJJ fanatics.
@@BigTiddyGothGrappler eh, in Lex podcast I'm sure he said rear naked strangle (RNC) same thing basically His instructional he puts guillotine number 3.
@@BigTiddyGothGrappler it depends on what rule set you are looking at. In gi IBJJF it is armbar, triangle, bow and arrow, yes. In no gi IBJJF, RNC takes the place of bow and arrow. So you are right there. But in ADCC it’s quite different. It’s almost a third each RNC, heel hook and arm bar. However, if you put all the different types of front head attacks together (all manner of guillotine and head and arm combined), then taken as a unit they are pretty high up there in IBJJF, coming close to triangles. Danaher adds Kimura to this, but I think he’d be first to admit it’s the lower percentage of the options, but is fantastic as a control grip and setup to other submissions that are higher percentage.
the omoplata variation that i think has the most untapped potential no-gi is the "gogo clinch," popularized by a few 10th Planet guys. it seems to offer a lot more finishing control than the traditional omo
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you r 20 years late. omoplata has always been a reversal technique.
Checkout Andris Brunoskis stats he has 9 finishes by Omoplata. He's very good with them.
The omoplata isn’t a submission that is going to get finishes, but it will get sweeps. That’s the whole reason for learning it and folding it into your game
For sure!
it is a hell of a solid position. the omoplata is a fantastic pinning position and you can transition into even better attacks like triangles, armbar, wristlock etc. or go into a marceloplata
I dare you say that to Clark Gracie “Omoplata isn’t a submission “ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Also, in gi or no gi, omopalata remains one of the most reliable and effective counters to those freak collegiate wrestlers who invariably show up to your school claiming it's "their first BJJ class"
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It's very weird to do that without mentioning whatever other history in grappling you have that's maybe relevant, even if it's just to have people correct the "mistakes" you bring from that other sport.
Omaplata is definitely a low-percentage Gi submission and nearly non-existent in NoGi. But it is still worth learning for transitions and control.
it is not a submission, it is a system, just like the kimura
yeah it's great for sweeping
@@peironepablo How is something called a Classic Submission not a sub? Then you use another classic sub, the Kimura as an example?
At least you helped the algorithm for the channel, but otherwise your comment is a combination of stupid and worthless.
Steve, he is refering to the fact that you can maximize your knowledge of omaplata by viewing it more how you would view a position than a submission.
Omaplatas are great for sweeps, setting up chokes, setting up armbars, using it as a body lock counter, etc.
Kimuras nowadays are used more as a means to take the back than as a sub.
@@gTuya11and to add: and they are still submissions not positions because their positional power comes from treat of submission and not restricting body movement.
People should view the omoplata as a way to sweep and initiate scrambles. If the bottom guy just throws up triangles and armbars all day he is gonna stay on bottom.
Great comment 🙌🏼
Agreed. Omoplata defense= free sweep
Clark Gracie is known for his omaplata submissions., in the gi however. He even has an instructional on it, I believe. Overall , the statistics you report reveal it is not a high level submission.. It is used to make other positions more available. A good takeaway. Cheers.
Came here to say the same thing but after checking BJJ Heroes, even he only has 4 Oma Plata sub wins out of 22!
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@@tammi_willis omoplata is used to sweep or take the back, the Pena vs NRod clip used literally shows him taking top position.
@@tammi_willis Yes! Exactly. Even the guy who went all-in on it can't reliably finish with it.
@@tammi_willis Eye opening stat. Thank you for this.
My professor always taught us to think of the omoplata less as a submission and more as a position in itself that creates sweeps, scrambles, and other submissions.
I think that is a good way to look at it!
Somewhere in San Diego Clark Gracie feels attacked and doesn't know why …
Haha I apologize to all that I offended
That UFC clip in the beginning got me thinking about something else I've noticed lately. Today both Nogi BJJ and MMA are back to using a lot of the same meta. Especially in the medium to heavier weight classes, passing nogi is often forcing the half guard, and MMA is all about half-guard as well. In the lighter-weight classes in MMA we see a lot more scrambling to force back exposure and then immediately jumping to the back, even if just to get 1 hook in and then working from there. We see that a lot in bjj today as well. And in all weight classes in MMA attacking turtle is a huge deal. Lack of focus on side control is another big commonality. I'm oversimplifying it all, but for the first time since maybe the start of the UFC, high-level BJJ and MMA are back to a lot of the same stuff.
Great comment! Appreciate it Andre!
I think the reason to guys going to the back so often these days is just because there’s less resistance and you can really keep a guy flattened out in half guard, in fact in high school wrestling the first pin I learned was a cross face from half guard (or twister lol)
I think the problem with side control in MMA is having to control position while attacking with ground and pound plus the numerous top side escapes when any space is allotted, i think that's why we see people escape so often from side control in mma
100% The MMA trainers figured out this stuff a decade before the BJJ community.
Technical Standups don't work against a smart opponent.
Side-Control is not a very useful position.
Chest-to-Chest Half-Guard is a pin, not a guard.
Turning to the knees is the most reliable way to get back to the feet.
Submission setups from Closed Guard are not reliable.
Over training Closed Guard builds a complacency to be on your back.
Shrimping is not a magical solution for everything.
It's been a while since it was a part of my game, but when it was the omoplata was primarily a leglock entry for me, kind of like a proto-K guard
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Clark Gracie and Bernardo are omo experts.
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Truth. I have never gotten an omoplata sub on anyone who knew remotely what they were doing. Even in gi I mostly just use it to break people down.
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If you go into omoplata you have to ready to transition into sit on shoulder or omoplata crucifix
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What you’ve really done here is just make people focus more on transition from omoplata to leg attacks. There’s a common thread of chaining upper body to lower body subs. People attacking will get faster and more technical at the transition to the legs. There’s no benefit to putting yourself in a sub. The only way the counter attack can work is if the person doing the omoplata is slow or unaware. You’re about to see a lot more people transitioning from omoplata to saddle.
Great point here! Appreciate the comment!
I always thought and felt that Omaplatas took a lot more effort and time to finish do to it being easier to defend. This video just confirms why i always used it as a window move opportunity to get on top or to chain into other submissions.
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Clark gracie and bernardo faria had a good amount of omoplata finishes (especially clark) in gi it's definitely worth learning. No gi I agree it's almost useless
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Clark had 4. Bernardo had 4.
@@thos1618 clark had 7 chokes from the omoplata postion and 4 normal ones. thus having 11 total aka 60% of all subs
@@fred8589 By that logic, a Bow-and-Arrow choke could be counted as 'Choke from the Armbar'.
@@thos1618if you have a fully locked omoplata and then choke then whilst being in that postion, then the omoplata was a key role. You example makes no sense, there is no tension on the arm whilst performing a Bow and arrow choke or control most of the time. Which is a Huge contrast to my examples where both shoulder and choke is applied at the same time. Look his matches up if you're in doubt (which you are)
The idea that Marcelo didn’t use the omoplata is objectively false. The guy used it all the time. He wasn’t finishing but he was sweeping the living hell out of people.
For sure 🙌🏼
He added the Omoplata to his game later in his career. Earl Marcelo was Arm-Drag, RNC, Heel-Hook. Late Marcelo was Omoplata, Guillotine, Crucifix.
Awesome stuff, I've had a hard time actually finishing them so I always just let them roll and I scramble for s mount. The more I learn the more I like being on top. Gaurd play is for younger flexible people change my mind lol
Haven't thought about the leg entry though.
In my opinion, it depends on the guard, I would say closed guard or half guard would be something for someone who might be older or less athletic, takedowns for most people tend to require more athleticism than have a very well timed pull into closed guard where I can control my opponents hips a lot easier or half guard where I can constantly disrupt the top person’s balance. Again no disrespect just offering my thoughts
@@zachdavies9047 I second this, I've rolled with an older guy who had a scary half-guard game.
@Zachary R. Alatorre-Davies none takin, I'm just another scrub blue, who's and addict like everyone here lol.
I enjoy closed gaurd too, I've just found with guys who are good at passing, guard play is exhausting since I'm worried about leg shootouts, so it feels like too much scambling. From half gaurd I've been liking wrestling up for throwing the arm over for back takes.
In any case I've just found open gaurds tiring against these young beasts. And I struggle to do the flippy dippy stuff that makes a dangerous gaurd.
Leg locks are the way haha
@Less Impressed More Involved BJJ I really need to go for them more, I work on cell towers so I tend to be a little gun shy in leg shootouts (say what you will but my tendons make me bank lol)
Do you have any recommendations for a leg entanglement that reduces the likelihood of you getting footlocked back? I've found some success with the 411. I ain't trying to be a world beater I just dig this shit, right now I just use foot locks fake outs to pass the gaurd lol
Omoplata is not "Fat Friendly", it's seems to be more difficult to pull off if you have the mid-section of a beer drinker...
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This sequence still is great for no-Gi MMA and for sure basic self defense. Basics win fights, this will never be obsolete. Just because you cannot catch Rickson, Roger, or no Gordon Ryan does not mean this has no value. This is a misleading title.
I love your channel.🥋🙏🏻
For sure thank you for the comment and the support!
Omoplatas are not basic. But like kimuras, they are useful for control.
@@tjl4688 from closed guard? Pretty basic. Get hands to mat, trap arm. Hip escape, pass leg over. Pretty basic
@@Traptinachangingmaze That's about two steps above basic. You'll probably learn it by the time you get to blue belt, but it's not something you'd include in a beginner's program. Omoplatas are such a low percentage submission and you'd rarely want to use it in self-defense since it gives the bad guy space to rip out.
@@tjl4688 that's 4 steps? What about recovering closed guard from side control? Basic? Well that's just as many steps
wonderful analysis - but the focus on high-level competition leaves off the situation where omoplata really shines... strength and weight mismatches. omoplata gives me a chance to go on offense without (a) pulling a larger opponent very far off his base (b) requiring exotic mobility (c) the danger of getting stacked and (d) carrying ANY OF HIS WEIGHT.
Great point! Thanks for the comment!
I'm 138lbs and can't agree more. Just yesterday I hit an omoplata in a live roll with a 230lb partner.
I agree 100% and I think it’s funny how so many people are salty and trying to argue that you are wrong when there’s so much overwhelming evidence that proves all your points.
Haha gotta love the internet! Thanks for the support my man!
Omopalata is best conceptualized as a guard position rather than a submission. From that perspective, once mastered, it is one of the most effective guard positions in the game. That's my personal opinion as a BB with 23 years experience in the game. But I also believe it can be statistically verified. This video has some cool examples, but if you took a random sample of 100 top competitors who secure omopalata in competition, I'd wager close to 70% or more of those situations end advantageously for the grappler applying omopalata. I'll take a guard position with that success rate any day. As a pure submission, omo palata gets a 'D,' sure.
For sure great point here! Thank you for the comment!
Omóplata is indeed THE position that set the difference between jiu-jitsu and the other grappling arts. There are some examples of omoplata in sambo and judo but are only techniques rather than systems to advance position (sweep, back take, submission, stalling)
Most people don’t hit the omoplata details correctly. The control is tough on bigger opposites. I often use as opportunity to get on top of someone tries it.
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"Not knowing how to do it properly" is not why it rarely works at the Pro level.
Omoplata is great as a transitional movement! I prefer stuffing the hand and transitioning to a barratoplata, for the finish, or pulling the hand for a tarikoplata though.
That seems to be gaining in popularity!
I love the fact your using EBI and CJJ footage during these examples and breakdowns. Yeah I'm a 10th Planet fan boy but still😅 Those shows have some of the most innovative moves and matches sometimes
Definitely! They have been huge for the development of the sport!
Subscribed! Finally found you again. I lost you once and I'm not losing you again.
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It would be interesting to see stats on omoplatas leading to sweeps and other submissions. The reason those 3 submissions are taught together a lot is because they can chain back. I'll get a lot of triangles and armbars when people try to defend the omoplata.
Also, in the case of Felipe Pena's recent match it was pretty clear he was trying to use the omoplata to get back exposure or force Rod to roll, which can be a strong attack.
Yeah it would be interesting to see those stats!
I’ll never leave the omoplata. Build your head height, control the elbow, and block the hips.
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It’s a shame because it is my main submission/sweep attempt from guard … but I myself realized long ago that it is not the most effective move from guard but still they only one I get occasionally with my short fat legs.
Haha I think as long as you are aware of what it is it can work very well. Just wanted to bring light to the leg lock threat
Never really thought about it, but yeah I have never caught anyone decent with an omoplata finish. When someone is savvy to the game I use it as a sweep to attack from triple threat.
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Although Marcelo did not submit with standard omoplata, he did have a very high finish rate with monoplata.
The omoplata he would sweep until on top then tradition to monoplata
Smooooooth!
The main issue with the omopalata is that everyone skips a major step of it and then wonders why they can't finish. Once your legs are on the arm you have to break their base. The most basic way to do this is to use the arm that reaches over their back to grab their opposite side hip, scoot your hips away and pull them down to their near side hip. This flattens them out and changes the angle of the submission to one that counteracts any flexibility they have in their shoulders. There are other ways to break them down but this is the most basic and obviously hardest to do on people with skill. If they are still on their knees, you can't finish anyone good with it and it's better to just sweep them. I can't remember the guys name but a couple of decades ago there was a competitor that would throw up an omopalata and immediately turn away and go belly down; basically spiral their own body which forced even standing opponents to immediately flip over to save their shoulder. He would then finish on top.
I used to give this one blackbelt I trained with the omaplata just to get out of his closed guard. Otherwise I'd have to work too hard to stand up in his guard.
If the piece of steak is on a string its probably good to leave it alone haha
That's how I've been dealing with Rubber Guard for years. If it ever goes too far, just force my way into an Omoplata.
I saw a gogoplata in a PrideFC bout once...
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I get most of my Omaplatas from choi bar set ups. Usually use them as a sweep or finish them with the assist of a choke much like Andrew.
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That's interesting. I've become more interested in Choi Bar lately because of a Lachlan Giles seminar I went to and it was an eye-opener.
You forgot Clark Graice 🙂
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What about that one black belt in Brazil who stopped a thief by holding him in an omaplata. Nah but seriously, another honorable mention is the reverse armbar from the omaplata, that I believe was used by Rafa mendes on occasion.
Hahaha for sure. Love the shoutout. Rafa is the man!
breaking my heart with this one :( not wrong though. It does help me get on top of much bigger partners in practice, but they're not leglock wizards.
For sure. It still has value I just wanted to point out that it becoming risky as people develop their leg lock game
Without watching the video, I can already say as someone who has been doing bjj for a while, omoplatas feel like the one submission you can feel the most before its happening. At least for me. Triangles and armbars can really come from anywhere. But there are only certain positions that threaten omoplatas. Unless you extensively work with omoplatas and know how to hit one from every position, it's just a game of eliminations of the options they have left in those certain positions. Also not helping it is that it requires a lot more control of the body compared to the other subs. Which is probably why they work better in gi than no gi. Now as a threat they are good for setting up other attacks. But to actually finish the submission is a task in itself.
Great comment thank you!
I would also look into Tommy langaker’s history of omaplatas and not only as a submission but as a sweep to expose the back when he lands on top.
Appreciate the comment! I will check him out!
awesome video on the omoplata!
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed it! I Appreciate the comment and the support
Holy damn another excellent video, Jake!
Much appreciated my man thank you!
Top lock gang!
Haha this is the way!
people were saying this same thing in 1995. no it will never be obsolete & its very useful. Things like RNC will always be higher % go to. I get people need to make content but misleading people who dont know any better for that purpose isnt a good thing.
I agree. I dont think I was misleading people. Just trying to bring light to the leg lock threat that exists
Love the channel but dunno if I agree with this take. Watch some of Langnaker rolling footage at BTeam his omoplata is his main way to counter bodylock passes and it works really nicely. I think people avoid it due to lack of flexibility. If you can get to it its super versatile. Just not the strongest finishing position.
He uses it well!
(actual questions no disrespect intended just trying to learn) What are your thoughts on Clark Gracie? What are your thoughts on the Omo Crucifix?
NGL though. You got me reconsidering some things
To be honest I havent studied him too much. The Omo Crucifix looks super strong and has proven to work for sure. I just think it is important to consider what strategy you are trying to implement and how a technique fits into that strategy. In a world of leg lockers, the omoplata is becoming more and more risky so I think as long as you are aware of the risky you can make an educated decision on when/where to use it
@@LIMIBJJ your intelligence shines clearly. And. Hmm. Much to think about
Video is blowing my f'ing mind. This is the first I'm reading the omo's obituary.
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I challenge the premise of this video. Bernardo Faria got 11 armbars, 5 triangles and 4 omoplatas in top level competition (only 1 RNC). To be successful at the omoplata (like any other submission), you have to understand the principles of it and become a specialist at it. The best resource on omoplatas is Faria's own DVD "Omoplata Everyone". Since watching it, my percentage at omoplatas went up.
No one is saying the RNC is a staple of Gi competition.
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Depends on who you're grappling against....you're not going to pull of an omoplato against a top tier pro, but a against a regular?. Especially if you transition to omoplata from Rubber Guard.
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omoplata is a fake sub in nogi I've been saying for years. But also who the fuck am I to make such statement... thanks for being the voice of other nerds :')
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I like to use the omoplata as an entry to Cross ashi
Leg locks are the way!
It still makes the other person react and need to roll or get a knee/legs into a leg lock position. The person doing the omoplata should have the advantage to dictate the next position if they are aware of the counters
Yeah for sure. Leading the dance
But omoplata is so cool! I remember when I hit it first in rolling, i was so happy
So many style points!
First year white belt here. The Plata is one of my most successful subs so far 💀
Hahaha keep doing you my man 👊🏼
I've been teaching to not go past the 'Clamp' (as JD calls it), where your heel is dug into their far shoulder. Then use the clamp pressure to bring their head down, build up to an arm post, get hip height, and run the guy over with your hips.
Just like the step-over you'd do with an Uchi-Mata / Whizzer-Kick in a Dog-Fight.
This is the way! I have been teaching this as well. Appreciate all the comments my man
Great video for High Level Competitions.
Thank you! Appreciate the support!
This video has ruined my Tuesday, lol. I do think omoplata is a good defense to the body lock (a la Felipe) or when your opponent shoots for a deep underhook while passing. And, I love a monoplata from mount.
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I see that you watch a lot of Gordon, John, and some other guys but how would you compare their platforms or instructionals to AOJ or even ATOS’s app
To be honest I havent watched any of the AOJ or ATOS instructionals so I would not be a good person to weigh in on this
Omoplatas are a great submission study CLARK GRACIE 🔥 or better yet try rolling with Clark Gracie you will be Omoplata’d many times
can't quite go along with this one, but well done anyway.
Haha right on thanks for the comment and the support!
I don't use the omoplata to finish I use it to transition. And as a leglocker I WANT people to try from there
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bruh, 😯I hadn't seen Wiltse's no-hands* omoplata before - 2:09 - that was a thing of beauty!
*He had a sort of seat belt body lock back control with control of opposite arm with just his legs...and locked it up with just his legs! Pretty dope. Also - where did you find that clip?? lol
Yeah pretty slick! I saw it in this video at the beginning and then looked up the match on Flograppling ua-cam.com/video/dFlqupRvF_M/v-deo.html
Dope breakdown thanks bro !
Great performance! Its always fun watching you compete
You see Taza's Tarikoplata recently? Dope shit.
I have not! What match was it in?
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Diego Pato also used omoplata to sweep at Pans for the win.
@@christopherilias1965 right on thanks for this!
As a submission it's low percentage but as a sweep it's God like. Don't figure 4 your legs, instead keep your sweep leg completely straight.
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A purple belt held me in an omaplata for 2 rounds gonna use this on him tonight for sure
Leg locks are the way haha
This is why Clark Gracie is the only name associated with Omoplata.
He went all-in on it and has had reasonable success, but only ever with the Gi.
True that!
Totally irrelevant but watching the replays and everything Gordon Ryan really is like miles above the rest. I almost always see his subs come from complete control and I don't think I've ever seen footage of him cranking anything. Respect his game a lot.
All the other stuff i see on his insta is a separate issue though. xD
Dude its not even close haha he is so good
Thank goodness you weren't gonna shit on triangle because then I'd have nothing left.
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Frankly ye I’ve never actually subbed with the omaplata but it is basically a guaranteed sweep and my coach is really great at transitioning from it to mounted triangles, which is probably my least favorite place to ever end up lol
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I love using omoplata variations and carni and gogo options in rubber guard personally, to sweep and submit. The traditional armbar triangle omo sequence is a tall order though I do agree with that, good vid though🙏🏽
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right in the feels, I agree with all of your points, however being a long guy I ve been getting caught in omoplatas a lottt lately xd
Haha its a gift and a curse being long!
Omoplatas are great to sweep and transition, not a great submission. Trying to finish the submission is very hard, but it is a great tool to transition to other submissions and sweeps
I feel like collar sleeve is the best control for a omaplata
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Yes, and are omoplatas used at the highest level to transition to better side control or leg entanglement positions? I.e. are they used not to finish but to set up other positions.
Yeah! I was just trying to point out if the strategy is to stay on bottom then it is going to be hard to leg lock people so an omoplata might not be the best move for that strategy
solid vid! do you consider the monoplata a finish from the omoplata? i find the mono's, once you've rolled on top, are significantly higher percentage than the regular omoplata but its essentially the same position...ish lol. definintely better for gi as you and basically everyone here has mentioned.
For sure I just havent really seen any high level people doing it without the gi
Becoming a specialist is a high-risk meta strategy. In ecology, the specialists get wiped out by small environmental changes, while the adaptive generalists can reign for 100's of thousands of years.
I made this mistake for many years and put all of my skill points into Calf-Slicers, Octopus Guard, Omoplatas and other obscure / niche things I felt I could be the best at and thereby get the edge.
For sure this is a good call. Humans survive because of our ability to adapt
Omoplata all day in the Gi (never in NoGi)! BOOM! Never stop!
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Lachlan literally dropped a omoplata vid on submeta 😳
Be sure to use my discount code when you sign up haha. The timing of it is crazy haha
I still say the omoplata is less worthless than the americana.
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I catch the omoplata all the time have been from white to black belt worst case scenario the opponent rolls out and I get the sweep but even at that point with control of the shoulder/elbow there is opportunity for other submissions as well but as with all techniques success comes from the details there are levels to everything and we all choose what to focus on
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Omoplata works against people who don’t know jiu Jitsu. Like your initial footage showed. Against pure wrestlers, sumo, untrained street fighter 😂 so I think it’s still good to be versed at it for self defense.
For sure!
Amazing channel! One tip: never use pie charts
Haha what is wrong with pie charts?
@@LIMIBJJ it's easier to compare volume in a bar chart. Pie charts containing a larger number of slices will pose difficulty in determining the fraction of smaller slices with respect to a larger one
Edit: also if you have a lot of slices some colors of the slices will look the same. Especially troublesome for people who're colorblind. A bar chart wouldn't even need colors, just the name of the dimension in front of it
hell yeah!
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Another dope video
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I have a couple omoplata finishes... At white belt. 🤣 I haven't actually FINISHED an omoplata at blue or purple. It's always been a sweep into follow on attacks.
Haha thank you for the backup!
@@LIMIBJJ have you been getting heat about this one? The only person I EVER see really hunt for them and get them is Clark Gracie.
@@GalenSDT haha yeah for sure the heat has come in! I am going to talk about it again in next weeks video too 😂
@@LIMIBJJ bwahahaha yeah just be like... "Unless you're Clark Gracie don't do omoplatas"
I like wrist locking white belts from omoplata if I end up there but never really try to get it 😈
The dark arts is strong with this one haha
What is the name of that site with grappler stats and submission percentages at the beginning of the video?
www.bjjheroes.com/
Thoughts on Americana being obsolete?
No comment 😂
looks like the leg in front is the gogo-plata.
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Lachlan likes hanging onto the arm from omaplata letting them roll through into an armbar
Great option!
What do you make of Danaher’s principle of “Pressure over Time” to melt an opponent. He implemented this concept with his students for ADCC comp specifically, I’m curious if you’ve noticed examples of this principle being applied to force an opponent to exhaust all their options and forcing them to commit to a tactic that will actually hurt them strategically. I think he used Gordon and Keenan’s matches against eachother as an example.
I really like the pressure over time strategy although it can be a bit boring to watch at times.
I also really like the idea of using it to force an opponent to exhaust all their options and forcing them to go a route that will hurt them strategically. I think a good example of this may be the Pedro match with Gordon. Basically Pedro was begging Gordon to take his back to alleviate the pressure. Can you think of other examples? I think this would make for a good video
@@LIMIBJJ This is something I’m kind of just now looking into myself, so I was definitely curious if you had already dove into this concept.
Firas and Danaher discussed this on his podcast analyzing Keenan and Gordon’s fights. Then they went on to discuss this principle contrasting Gordon (taking a more high percentage style) and Gary Tonon (risk taking style) but both coming from the same system, and how personality and attributes play a factor in style and strategy. Really interesting to listen to and thought provoking when looking at the evolution of how John approached competition strategy with his athletes.
@@LIMIBJJ and I agree I think this would make a fantastic video, love your content brother!
@@Oni_Shinobi_JiuJitsu year very thought provoking for sure. I am actually in the process of making my video for next week and I am including a clip of danaher on the lex Friedman podcast. He apologized to Garry tonon because he felt as though he emphasized the pressure based game and that worked well for a lot of athletes except Garry
@@LIMIBJJ interesting! I remember that now that you mention that. On the pressure over time side of things, that flo doc on Giancarlo centered heavy on that principle for his finals match against Hulk. Particularly Giancarlo’s hand fighting against him and wearing on him in that manner. I think there’s some good nuggets on this topic in that doc.
What's up with all the commercials? It was pretty solid but hey way way way too much wasted time
Haha sorry about that! I will cut them down!
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Youre a real one!
bro my coaches are in this video lmao
Haha nice! Who are they?
I believe John said in order best submissions rates are
1. Rear strangle
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3. guillotine
4.Armbars
5.?????
Idk what 5 or 2 are. I just remember him talking about in on his videos from BJJ fanatics.
2. Heelhook and 5. (Arm) Triangle/Sankaku I think
Wrong. #1 rnc/bow & arrow. #2 armbar #3 triangle. I know because I did the stats myself. It's actually on my list of channel in a video.
Triangles, heel hooks and Kimuras are what his other submission instructionals are about.
@@BigTiddyGothGrappler eh, in Lex podcast I'm sure he said rear naked strangle (RNC) same thing basically His instructional he puts guillotine number 3.
@@BigTiddyGothGrappler it depends on what rule set you are looking at. In gi IBJJF it is armbar, triangle, bow and arrow, yes. In no gi IBJJF, RNC takes the place of bow and arrow. So you are right there.
But in ADCC it’s quite different. It’s almost a third each RNC, heel hook and arm bar.
However, if you put all the different types of front head attacks together (all manner of guillotine and head and arm combined), then taken as a unit they are pretty high up there in IBJJF, coming close to triangles.
Danaher adds Kimura to this, but I think he’d be first to admit it’s the lower percentage of the options, but is fantastic as a control grip and setup to other submissions that are higher percentage.
Time to bring it back to be spiteful
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Huge brah 🔥🔥
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the omoplata variation that i think has the most untapped potential no-gi is the "gogo clinch," popularized by a few 10th Planet guys. it seems to offer a lot more finishing control than the traditional omo
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