Mr. Cruel: The Mystery Murderer Of Melbourne
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2022
- A serial predator known as `Mr Cruel' causes chaos in Australia in the late 1980s and 1990s, and police suspect him to be responsible for a dozen attacks on children across Melbourne.
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I was 19 and living in Melbourne at the time. It was widely believed 'Mr Cruel' was a Policeman, because he left no clues, no forensics, and appeared to be one-step-ahead of police. It is clear he must have been somebody with police training, and likely a person who lived a normal average life, who nobody suspected. I hope one day the crime will be solved.
you didn't require police training to understand forensics, this information wasn't protected, there was a whole series of ways to access it, including true crime and science magazines and journals, available at local libraries. Having an understanding of how to avoid incriminating evidence didn't mean you were a police officer, as the documentary suggests, it may have been as simple as the fact that he was a career criminal.
@@jamesofarcadia you are right about that.. But she said that it was believed that he might have been a police, simply becouse they had nothing else,they have to look/blame someone.
I think it was, the way evidence from an early assault disappeared too, something isnt right... he probably knew that he had been sloppy, so he got rid of it at some point. Wow, this must have been so scary. I hope the last one really was the last... poor girls, breaks my heart.
I immediately thought an officer or a school officer/employee at school
@@jenniferkinnaird-estrada8815 right! That's what I was thinking too
I watch a lot of true crime, but this was a dreadfully hard one to watch, especially hearing her mother speak at the beginning. This was so heartbreaking.
@@panther666 I used to sit and listen for hours almost every day like a 24/7 podcast, but I haven't in the while for the sake of my mental health. Maybe I just got soft.
Agreed. Even when you’ve seen other parents or families speaking out to find their loved ones, this was primal almost. It was eating her up to her core. Her language barrier didn’t even remotely matter.
This happened in my suburb, when I was ten. Our childhoods changed completely. It was absolutely awful - we were all terrified.
I was about to say I do this all day and that bout just fucked me up all the way
I listen to podcasts and true crime all day in head phones while I go about my business. 3 times this showed the same scene of her crying for her daughter to return and I agree, it got me too. I'm a mum of five and the pain in her cries, just heart breaking
This happened 10 mins away from me and I was ten. It absolutely changed our childhoods. I had nightmares, as did my sister, and my mum. Absolutely horrifying.
My gosh I can’t imagine😢 a true nightmare !!
Must have been really scary. 😔
Aw bless you. Xx
Thank you are safe but I guess the trauma you and your parents went through. I hope they can still fine him.
😢🤗
If Carmen’s mother didn’t tear at your heart, you’re dead inside. What a challenging case for the officers and detectives.
@Indaca Jackson whats ig? stand for?
@@Jolenesmart1980 i guess
That part made it hard to watch.
The part about her favourite dress is soul crushing. Especially knowing what we know now
I Literally started crying. I feel so bad.
Evidence doesent just get up and walk away. It was removed, which leads me to believe Mr Cruel is/was a Police Officer who had access to the evidence storage room.
I had the exact same thought
Or it was someone from a Priveleged family and was Ignored!
Sad non the less that the Scumbag was Never brought to Justice...
Much Love and Peace...🤜🏼❤🤛🏿
Just like The Golden State Killer.
I believe Mr Cruel is/was a police officer too!
Possibly he was. Poor handling of the evidence is also plausable. Some murders, most famously the Jon Bennet case, don't get solved due to poor handling of the evidence which is of course very frustrating.
Something about that mothers geniune cry and pain for her loss that rattled me. I am a hardened crime watcher and this one kind of got to me. Was devastating to see her beg for her childs return only to find her child has been murdered.
Definitely. Same here . There's just something about this case that's different from the rest . So heartbreaking .
Absolutely devastating. 😞
Yes, that rattled me as well. So much pain and anguish in her cries.
Same here as a mother myself. So heartbreaking. 😞
I agree. And at the end when she does that Buddhist ceremony at the site where her daughter was found- did you notice she was wearing the dress with the red sleeves- Karmen's favourite dress? That was gut wrenching.
I don't know how people carry on but she had two other children so I suppose she stayed alive for them even when she didn't want to.
The first ten seconds and that ladies reaction has just got me in tears. Such pain. So sad what some humans are capable of.
Same. I only watch stuff like this because I really want to understand how someone could be so evil. I don't believe in religion, so I think it's fully a human thing, but still so unfathomable.
I don't see how people feel empathy for that if she comes over so aggressively.
@@moomyung9231 they're already a bit broken and sadly get very broken.
@@Stichting_NoFap aggressively?? She was by no means aggressive but rather passionate & in pain. I wonder how you reached that conclusion...
@@92Kandee Lol, nowhere did I derive any conclusion, which you need premises for at first. And that doesn't even apply here since we're talking about interpretation which is subjective. And on top of that, it can be interpreted simultaneously aggressively and what you mentioned and not necessarily one of them.
I'm so mad the killer has not been caught. I hope this family gets justice. Seeing the mother made me wish this never happened to her family. It broke my heart.
Yeah. Absolute weak pathetic roach, that guy. He couldn't even pick on someone his own size because he is so weak. There is a map of suspects. One which I think is most interesting, the guy has moved to Canada after he found a canadian wife. He lived exactly right to be guy. He was known as a good community member and owned several companies. He's called the "Balwyn"-suspect, but we don't know his name. He is still alive.
Well, no. He didn't pick on people his own size, because he had no sick, depraved attraction to them. Nothing to do with strength, physically speaking.
To be fair his cruelty is strong. No different than a pimp breaking a woman's face open.
@@zeldagoblinno he was coward he atack people while sleep and with guns
@@LordOfSwedenhe isn't weak he has guns and im pretty sure he would kill adults but instead he chose to do it worse and kill kids which i hate him to
ive never seen a mother react so hurt by the kidnapping of her child. truly heartbreaking to watch her beg for her daughter back, only to find her body a year later. meanwhile so many other victims were returned to their families. she must have held on to hope every single day. poor woman. 😔
The murdered girl probably saw to much and he feared being exposed so he had to kill her.
How absolutely terrifying for that little girl to be blind folded and to gather enough courage to lift the fold only to see a camera looking back at you. God. Absolutely horrifying.
This story is horrifying. To have all these girls abused never to have anyone put away. Then to have a child found dead is even worse. I couldn't imagine being those families. My heart goes out to all of them.
Criminals will meet their punishers don't kid yourself. There's human justice and then there's Divine justice but many humans fail to realize it.
We went to their restaurant all the time, the Chans were such friendly people, it was so horrible what happened. Everyone in Melbourne remembers this case, it's infuriating he was never caught.
Do they still have their restaurant?
@@MultiplesofNico yess i 👂
yeh i love the chans , the sweet an sour chicken was the bomb
So cruel to of publicly doubted the dad
@@progressionsessions99 *and
I was not prepared for the opening of this documentary.. brought to tears instantly.. the pain in the mothers voice is so harrowing
Same. And then the end cry where she cries like a child. Absolutely heart shattering.
I feel so bad for the mom
Mr. Cruel has similarities to the Golden State Killer. Authorities says it's highly unlikely they are the same killers so the next suspicion would be a police officer since the Golden State Killer turned out to be a police officer. They were both meticulous in cleaning up their crime.
While the Golden State Killer was a police officer, he was only an officer for 3 years, and the majority of his killings took place AFTER he was fired. And being meticulous isn’t at all only a thing former police officers do when committing murder. And what the Golden State Killer did wasn’t unique at all, the BTK killer was very similar in watching houses for weeks before murdering the occupants. He was a house alarm salesman. Does this mean that Mr.Cruel is also an alarm salesman?
@@coolmanyea5030 The GSK was only an officer for 3 years because he got caught shoplifting. He didn't magically quit and started his killings haha. That stint as an officer gave him insights of what officers do at a crime scene. Yes, other serial killers were meticulous but the GSK was meticulous exactly because he was a cop and he learned that knowledge when he was a cop; and him being a serial killer, he used that to his advantage, even after he was fired. Today, forensics is common knowledge but these crimes happened in the 1980s and 1990s. Crime scene processing and what officers do wasn't common knowledge. Seeing that Mr. Cruel left his scenes in a prestine, to a point that no one knows who he was. There's a a possibility he could be or was one an officer. It would be obtuse not to look into Mr. Cruel being an officer when he was meticulous to a point that it warrants looking deeper into officers at that time. BTK killer was an alarm salesman but that doesn't Mr. Cruel was an alarm salesman, that could mean that Mr. Cruel could be someone who had access similar to a salesman while he was trolling his victims.
@@HokkaidoSan I’m aware that he was fired, which is why I said he was fired. I’m not too sure how him being a police officer would even help? The majority of his crime scenes weren’t cleaned up, it’s not like he took time to hide the murder weapon or the bodies. He very often had people see his face, left witnesses alive, left his DNA evidence everywhere, pretty much the exact opposite of Mr.Cruel? Do you have proof that it gave him insights of what officers do at crime scenes? Did the crime scenes he went to teach him to take off his mask so that people could get a sketch of him? Did crime scenes also teach him to leave witnesses alive? The Golden State Killer was only meticulous in the way that he stalked out the houses, similarly to how police assumed Mr.Cruel also stalked out houses. Besides that I can’t think of how he was meticulous in the slightest, unless you can provide me some examples? I mean, I can’t see a non-police officer doing a worse job than him.
There’s a possibility that Mr.Cruel is a police officer, yes, but saying “GOLDEN STATE KILLER…?? POLICE OFFICER… MR.CRUEL IS KINDA SIMILAR TO HIM… THAT MEANS HE COULD ALSO BE A POLICE OFFICER.” is just really stupid. And yeah crime scene progressing with DNA was common knowledge at the time if you searched for it? There were many research articles on using DNA to solve crimes, and the year the first man to be convinced with DNA evidence? 1987, the same year Mr.Cruel started. And you know, I don’t even think police officers would have any knowledge of DNA at the time? Unless they actively wanted to learn about it, the people who would know about DNA evidence would be the detective or a criminal investigator?
I’m just really annoyed at how every single serial killer is said to be a police officer with 0 evidence, and how people act being a police officer gives you sacred knowledge on how to commit perfect crimes.
1 thing I've learned in my life, I'm 51 & been in & outta prison all my life, thankfully not since I was 40 so I've been clean. Not aex crimes, I'm no beast. But that 1 thing is that theres no profession that has as many lier,s & narcissist than the police. This was shockingly investigated, imo because they knew he was on the inside. Why arent they asking public whose got expensive recording equipment? Very few ppl had a video camera in the 80s. & you can bet he's showed that off or used it in family holidays, weddings etc. Imo the reason that wasnt pushed more, ie visit all the stores who sold them, visit photography clubs, whose got subscriptions to photography magazines etc. Because he was one of the ones who got to decide what got releases to press & followed up on vigorously. They were looking in all the wrong places, so incompetent its unbelievable.
@@coolmanyea5030 how many alarm salesmen can stop the police from investing recording shops for customers? How many folk had video cameras in 80s? He was one of the ones who decided what to follow up on & what not imo. They were looking in all the wrong places, shoulda been asking ppl via media to report anyone with recording equipment, whose got subscriptions to recording magazines, whose bought recording equipment etc etc. But someone was able to steer them past that. Certainly not the alarm man.
I am absolutely terrified to bring a child into this world. We live amongst monsters. That mother during the press conference brought me to tears. I could never survive that sort of heartache. I pray that all the families have found some semblance of peace. RIP CARMEN ❤️
You don't need to bring a child into the world
There is a very special place in hell for predators who specifically target children
They're already in living hell. Hell is not a place but a state of being!
These Australian crime stories are so excellently done. Nothing mundane about them and you can see the personal involvement each investigator brings to the case. Unlike some American crime stories, where you almost think some of the police are actors.
Great comment
I feel the same way. Always when I watch them I think how normal and down to earth they are. Not as hardened as ours. But we also probably have 1000x more crimes..
@@hollyfarr7209 except for the part where he said he’s condolences to the victims, the reason this very content was made 🤷🏼♀️
Almost
@@angelg4675 and 1000× the land mass.
Burglary was not this guy's main motive; if so, why watch the families for days, only to attack when he must have known they were home? This guy's motive was the girls themselves, and control. The taking of money, items and eating the family's food is just another form of violation; this guy sought dominance, control, to make his victims feel helpless and to be a god-like figure over them. He wanted them to feel violated in every possible way and to show just how powerless they were against him. I'd say this was a both sexually-based and control-based motived series of crimes.
Demons are real. Grab a kjv bible
To hear her parent talk in the beginning is truly heart wrenching. I can’t imagine how the pain from losing a child must be and I hope I never have to. Ugh just obviously anyone who kills another human being is going to effect anyone one way or another. But being the one to lose them and having to live with that grievance .. I just couldn’t imagine staying strong for any length of time if that were to happen… I don’t know how some people do it.. it’s difficult either way but I give kudos to the people who have stayed strong throughout their lives after being dealt with such a tragic ordeal. Again; I can’t imagine and I never want to!!
I have a feeling he is a cop..
I believe Mr Cruel was a "former" veteran/military who used to be a teacher. He knew his victims, maybe in distance.
Yep, that rope evidence that went missing was a strange twist
I had that exact thought when I first heard that detective talk, and then to hear about a rope which got stolen from police custody. For fuck sakes people, tooo often the "Police" are the real criminals that walk free ....
hes just so ahead of the police, he has to know more than an average person
@@marichat9332 That is why I thin it's the same deal as in the original night stalker/ golden gate serial killer..
Maybe this mr Cruel is or was a policeman who had access to the rope that disappeared so mysteriously...
Wouldn't be surprised. We had the killer CHP Officer Peyer here in CA. And of course, the Golden State Killer. He was an off duty cop killing these people. They both got theirs though. Ancestry websites caught GSK. May they, as well as Mr Cruel rot in hell.
I had the same thought
Exactly. They know precisely what to do to execute a crime, set up red herrings and cover their tracks.
I had that exact thought when I first heard that detective talk, and then to hear about a rope which got stolen from police custody. For fuck sakes people, tooo often the "Police" are the real criminals that walk free ....
@@turtle19dad The Golden State Killer was actually in Australia at this time but has been ruled out.
I couldn’t imagine being a father and seeing that happened to my daughter. She went through something horrible but I can just also see the pain in his eyes when he gave that interview
I agree with the "psychopath" assessment- a feature is "criminal versatility"- and this guy certainly displayed that- and I agree with the guy who said burglary came first and then developed, plus that it started as fantasy.
These crimes are all about control- most child abductors will snatch a child walking or playing alone, maybe from a garden with adults inside the house, but not making contact with the adults. But this guy did- twice tying up the parents and then abusing or abducting the child- controlling the parents was part of the fantasy.
He stole money and stuff that was easy to sell but then I think he discovered a way to make more money- by making his own child porn and selling it- hence the video camera at the foot of the bed. That means those videos were distributed and are probably still out there- that's why he switched to abduction. The purpose now was to get a girl for the video, so that was easier without the parents in the way- hence the change in MO.
The intense effort to hide his identity was, I think, because he was local and he would be recognised- he must have had some sort of public job- maybe a shopkeeper but he used the word "liberty" in "my liberty is worth more than your life"- not a common word-I think he was educated and two victims came from the same school- maybe a schoolteacher or connected to the school?
The ransom demand was a casual attempt to get cash for a girl he intended to release anyway. And poor Karmen? I think he intended to kill her before he took her precisely because he knew she would recognise him- he knew her and chose her because she was "feisty" and therefore there was more satisfaction in controlling her. The car graffiti and execution style shooting was just to make it look like a drug gang feud- a real Chinese drug gang would not need to spray the car- the father would already know the motive and the gang would never advertise their activities in that way.
Why did it stop? He was either dead or locked up. nothing else would have stopped him.
Or he could have also been local cop that maybe worked around children, and could have stopped because he thought someone was getting onto him
He was definitely a cop! He had to be
you’re right about the last bit though, i’m really curious to know why it stopped. is it possible he moved to another country and continued to commit crimes?
Very good analysis
I guess it could be that her last victim recognised him or he is in police force to well how finished up all evidence
15:03 When the Father John Wills, came out to speak to the media and thank everyone with their efforts to find his little girl Sharon, I broke down and cried. You could see how broken he was.Why are men or women so cruel to children? The survivors will never be the same the family will always be haunted with a memory that stole the innocent love between a father, and his little girl.
Because monsters don’t prey on something their own size - they have to go after the weaker more vulnerable. A sick pattern I’m noticing when anything involves children.
@@bmxchick7614 even when he wanted to get at the father of the girl he killed, why didn't he go after the father? They're all cowards in the night
@@riseeeeeeee because like I said, they have to go after the weaker easier targets.
Hearing her mother is devastating😞.
The entire thing is scary beyond description.
🤬🤮😪💔
So true... I've....
My cat.. was ran over by a jeep in front of me...
(It was my cat's curiosity/fault)
the aftermath was... suicidal thoughts...
Can't even imagine lost a daughter...
And not knowing the future...
It was.. pain...
I know, was heartbroken seeing that.
@@goite2654 so sorry for your loss, that would kill me. Xx
Wow. I was crying in the first five seconds. That mother's pain, I couldn't handle it.
The desperate pleas of Carmein's mother are unforgettable. I am childless, but you don't have to be a parent to feel her anguish. I couldn't stop my tears. This broke me. Absolutely heartbreaking!!
Sounds like Mr cruel might be a police officer.
I believe the abductor killed Carmen. Simply because the other 2 that he released were able to give information about him. If the police had kept quiet about that information. He may not have felt the need to silence Carmen forever. He may still live in the same area like. The BTK KILLER.
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Just came out on 60mins Australia 🇦🇺. Had never heard of this guy! So sad...but the 60mins show put details together on a map🤔 and used new technology to put clues out to public.
Exactly what I was thinking. With karmen I believe he intentionally changed his MO by putting the drug money graffiti to intentionally throw off her abduction investigation and draw it out, give him time.
The two girls he released were able to give pieces of description that were able to narrow down his area despite his best effort to conceal everything from them.
Karmen if allowed to talk would've been the nail in the coffin that would've sent him to jail.
I feel like after Karmen he realized he was way too close to getting caught and went back to smaller crimes or less flashy assults to help him uphold whatever life he held in the public eye and keep from jail.
@@adalinwilliams6589 If true ,he would of killed them . So why even let them go ?
@@adalinwilliams6589 so she was an exception ?
@@Moodboard39 wdym, he would have killed them? I'm saying he probably would have let Karmen go had the police not told about the info they gathered from the previous he released.
He corrected this mistake and covered his track with Karmen there after realizing he needed to pull back as he was disturbingly close to being caught. Or he got better at hiding it.
As someone who watches so much true crime i never expected to cry so hard over the interview. It must have been so hard for them to see two girls be returned by this guy and they probably held some hope and to have it crushed by finding her dead. That must have been the most painful feeling in the world for the family, and then for the cops to start questions basically if they were to blame for her death.
When I was in second grade I volunteered to be a school crosswalk guard in the mornings to help children cross the street just on the corner across from the grade school. Soon after I started I would hear someone whistling a strange tune from the house just behind me. I noticed it but being a kid I didn’t think it was alarming. Until one morning after a number of days the situation accelerated. Once I knew there wouldn’t be any more children since it was 8am, I crossed the street. Suddenly I heard the strange whistling again so I looked back. A scruffy looking shirtless man was sitting in the second story window of the house smiling at me. It seemed he was trying to talk to me. I turned around and walked towards the school. Something made me look back again as I walked closer to the door of the school. When I did I could see the man had stood up in the window on the windowsill to where I could only see his naked body from the waste down. He wanted me to see his genitals. I hurried into the school shocked at what I had seen. I told a teacher and was brought to the office where they asked me about it. The police were called. I told the police what happened. I never had to testify or speak of it again because apparently he had admitted to police what he had done upon interrogation. I still remember everything and I am 55 now. Creepy.
it must have been pretty traumatic for you. i'm so sorry that happened.
What the fuck I am so sorry you had to see something like that . People can be so horrible it makes me so angry that people can be so goddamn disgusting. No child should ever have to see things like that or go through these horrible things & it’s always going to be impossible to completely shield them from all the horrible things that happens in this world . So sad
Very, very scary. I’m sorry this happened.💜🙏🏾
my neighbor did that when i was a kid.
Bet he was not given a sentence.
I heard about this but didn't know they haven't caught him yet. Crazy!! So many dangerous people got away
I was expecting and praying that the show would conclude with a positive result of the perpetrator caught and brought to justice but my god wasn't expecting him to be at large still after all these years. Sickening
Due to the information given, and if u look logically and due to the evidence removed so well done. It's impossible for the local burgalur to know such things unless he knew about it professionally such as a forensic scientist, who had contact with police forces and the evidence and able to remove the evidence. This case should have been more looked into.
That poor, sweet Mama :( My 1st child was born in April of '91. My heart aches for her and her family. No one should ever have to be put through this, not ever. We must do so much better. We MUST evolve from this. We've got so much that desperately needs our attebtion and focus. If these sickos could use their energy to do smthg to better life on this planet or the community they are part of, could you imagine that?
Mr Crule seems a professional burglar. He is success to break in to the houses and steal personal properties.
His burglar skill took an opportunity for abduct children. This unsolved case is in the 1980's to 1990s.
Heartbreaking story !
The trauma of sexual abuse never goes.
This one hurts 😢 my stomach. Sometimes I get angry 😠; sometimes I cry 😢; sometimes baffled and terrified. Yet, I keep watching.
Congratulations. You are normal. ☺
@@keithdrummond1003 LOL. I'm unsure if you're being sarcastic; nevertheless you made me laugh
@@denesem2161 Sarcasm, my dear. And happy Friday. ✌
She's in heaven..beautiful girl. Bless your parents with healing into this trauma..💜
In heaven? So you believe in God. God is all knowing see everything that people do and watches over his flock, or so the fairy tale goes. What kind of a God lets this happen? Make believe has no place in this kind of ugly reality. I can't help but think believing is some super power watching over us causes a lot of people to let their guard down.
@@janedoe5048 it also helps people deal with loss, if they have a hope of seeing their loved one again. Someone believing in God has no bearing on you.
@@janedoe5048 take a chill pill and calm your t1ts bruh. You're mad like it was an insult towards the girl.
@@janedoe5048 it’s called free will
@@janedoe5048 God didn’t let this happened.
That poor Mother. She broke my heart. Love and prayers to her and her family.
WOW, R.I.P. Carmen 😔, i have no other words i can say right now, smh
The mother pleading for her daughter made me burst into tears, I have a little toddler girl and this just struck me so hard
I can't watch it without my heart breaking. As a child, it terrified me - I lived nearby Carmen. And now, as a mum with a young daughter, I cannot fathom. It's definitely changed the way my generation parent.
I believe her killer was someone she would have known, might have been a familiar in the restaurant. The other two girls probably didn’t know of him or recognized him, perhaps that is why he only murdered Carmen
Missing evidence is unfortunately all too common at this time, i dont think that has any relation to the perpetrator.
But the key here to me is his knowledge of forensic evidence despite something like DNA being very new.
If he is/was a policeman is impossible to say but i think a key here is how did he know?
Police, medical work, experienced criminal.
Seeing the mother cry like that brought me to tears. You can tell that she is so distraught and heart broken. That man is evil himself and I hope he rots in hell
I'm fine with the death penalty. It's not as much for punishment, but for someone that can do things like this there can be absolutely no chance that they can ever be allowed into society again. *NO CHANCE.*
I made the comment on one of these videos about someone being evil, and someone said that evil is "subjective." People like this aren't stark raving lunatics that are out of their minds and don't know what they're doing. These are individuals that are functioning at a very high level. They know exactly what they're doing, and they enjoy it. They are pure evil.
Escape the Matrix The person who called justice ‘subjective’ is clearly capable of the same crime. You were taking to a sociopath there!
@@Dhruv_Dogra that exact thought crossed my mind, only someone capable of evil could call it "subjective"
How he managed to find houses with young girls in the home is just scary
Back in the day, it would be simply DRIVING AROUND the neighborhood. Today, you don't even have to leave your house at all... Just get on the INTERNET and log into CHATROOMS for TEENAGERS... lol...
They mentioned that all the victims went to the same private school. This was clearly a staff member that had access to their addresses
@@edenbojanglesobviously was a stalker of the school or affiliated
The live footage of the parents... literally got me choked up. It's heartbreaking
That the young children are now young parents and REPEAT the behavior of sleeping in their childrens bedroom and having nightmares gives you an idea of how terrified they were back then
The moms cries break my heart, the way she held the dress and asked her to just come home so she can wear it…my god💔
I never ever cry at these, but hearing her mother telling her to come home and wear her favourite dress broke my heart to pieces. Sobbing
I hope they solve this case. So tragic...
My theory on why a lot of women watch true crime: you're taught to look over your shoulder from the time you learn to walk. I think it's a way of desensitizing ourselves and of educating ourselves. It sucks, but it's true, the cat calls start when you're about 11 or 12...that's the world we live in. Wish it wasn't so. My heart goes out to these victims and their families.
Disgusting indeed
Statistically, it's more dangerous for a man than a woman to go out alone.
@@LonelyCinderella123 bs
@@LonelyCinderella123 possibly, but how many times has your friend's dad, you dad's friends, your boss, your friend's brother, their uncle, a guy at a train station, the dude at the drive through, your teacher, etc been just an outright disgusting sleaze bag to you, or tried to get you drunk when you're underage, or asked you about your panties, or asked you to come by sometime because they bought you a necklace, or followed you through a train station from seat to seat until they asked him to leave, or anything like that? When you're a teenage girl it's constant, and one of the worst parts is that sometimes you don't even realize it until you get older. And it keeps going, too. So while it's possible that men are more likely to get robbed at gunpoint or something of that nature, it does not add up to all the sleaze bag bullsh*t that females have to deal with on a day to day basis. And that's not even including the real horrific stuff that also happens.
And men still have the audacity to lecture women when theyre harassed….
it was well planned, i feel like it was a police officer that did all these. it’s impossible for a rope to just disappear, a police officer must have access to the evidence room and threw it away. mr.cruel knew every move of the police officers investigating the scene, he knew every movement of the family-like the children’s parents are out for work.
i was kind of suspicious of carmen’s father , he was like smiling ? it was like he wasn’t bothered at all, unlike carmen’s mother who cried out for her child to come back home.
He probably know something ....always gotta look at the family first ... Cuz Mr cruel didn't kill the other two girls , so why Carmen ?
Is it legal to own guns in Australia? It would make sense if mr cruel was in law enforcement if he had access to them
That mother's break down on TV is just heartbreaking. Hard to watch that
Hearing the mothers plea was stabbing to my heart. So much pain in her voice.
It made my cry with her 😢 how sad 😔 🙏
made me cry
I've just watched a 60 minutes under investigation report on this and toward the end they mapped out 5 more possible victims just south of where the last victim was taken. They were all grouped in a very tight cluster and had the same m.o as his later victims. They said that he was extremely aware of forensics and left no trace of himself even going as far as to bath the victims twice and removing their clothing. But what if the police could look back on those earlier crimes, sort of like the archeology of crime. Criminals like this tend to experiment with their fantasies and over time improve and evolve their methods so what are the chances he wasn't as careful about leaving trace evidence in the beginning and made some significant mistakes that if somehow found could lead to him. And did he suddenly stop because he has been incarcerated for a completely different crime? Just a thought.
Everyone should own a dog!
Whether it's a giant attack dog or a little yappy dog, they're great alarm systems!
I once had a little dog that could differentiate from the neighbors footsteps in the hallway --- no barking, & a strangers footsteps --- she'd bark like crazy!
Omg that’s so cute he memorized their steps that sounds genius and also how much he cared to protect his house.
I wish they could find that evil man!!!! 😞 so sad
Why don't they have female investigators/detectives interviewing these young female victims? Isn't it traumatizing to have yet another older male talking to you after you've survived such a horrific ordeal?
Trauma isn't tied to who is questioning you and the investigator would know if the child was uncomfortable
@Asha Duplessis You sound like an ignorant amateur who is in over their head. Are you licensed, have a degree or experience working with trauma victims?
@@breezluize3282 so you asked a question then insulted the one who answered? Are you a specialist? Clearly not.
@alexander cole You took that as an insult? I pity your mediocrity. Go take that nap that's long overdue.
Why don't you become one and do the job or just shut up?
I wonder if he got picked up for something else? His spree ended abruptly....
Good point, especially because when they've progressed to murder it usually escalates.
It’s 2022. These crimes happed in the late 80s early 90s. Apparently it happened “abruptly” however it was stated towards the end of this documentary that there may have been “prior” victims.
So this had been occurring….like it was speculated that he may have died or whatnot.
Basically in my opinion I hope whatever happened to this disgusting cretin that he is no longer is alive.
The Mother, I couldn't swallow.💔 Her cry tore away my heart😥. For every tear she shed, for all those sleepless nights she faced and the pain that lingered 30 years, I hope he suffered a 1000x over, if he truly no more exists. But If his still breathing let death be hidden from him and he be tormented all the days of his life.
I watch a lot of true crime shows and all are very hard to watch but this one, this one really got to me. To bear witness to this poor mothers screams while holding up her daughters favorite dress, pleading with whoever had her daughter, to let her come home so that she could wear it...just ripped my heart clean out of my chest! Tears were streaming down my face while I was trying to watch this. Truly heart wrenching! I hope and I pray, that this poor mother and her family finally get the answers and the closure they so desperately deserve and that their daughter can finally and truly rest in peace. The soul takes flight to the world that is invisible and there arriving she is sure of bliss and forever dwells in paradise.
If I would have to profile Mr Cruel, I would say he was a technician who lived in the area; and people in the area knew him well. He might have worked at the school or somewhere near. His age was between 30 and 40 years old. He must have known the children and their living conditions. He may even have had an excuse to come inside their houses for example maintenance. He might have had some kind of argument (Possibly disagreement over payment with an Asian in the vicinity) or a prejudice against Asians. (I say that because of the way he killed the girl. If he killed the girl because she saw his face, he may have used only one bullet; but three in the face is over kill and a revenge or hate-driven).
This is every parent’s nightmare 💔
i can't imagine how helpful i would feel as a parent if i was tied up not knowing what the burgler/ intruder was doing to my child and not being able to protect my child. I am hoping this guy get's caught.
Geez, the way that mother cried out! Heartbreaking. I felt that
I feel so sorry for Carmen's parents..
I just don't understand how some countries can live with doors and windows unlocked
I can't wrap my head around that whole idea of LEAVING all of your doors and windows UNLOCKED or even left open at any time of the day. That's crazy, Pelch... lol...
This was very sad to hear about. Those poor 3 girls, plus the rest of the victims of this deranged man!
The fact that the former commissioner of Victoria Police says that to this day he does not believe the police departments all over the country can speak with one another is quite alarming. You would think by now, there should be a way for all police forces to be able to contact one another. That was a very shocking statement. But then again, when are we not surprised by the way things are done in law enforcement at times.
This is so terrifying. I just cannot imagine the fear they had to experience as I have a sister and my parents were always working in a restaurant...but even being small we went to help out in my parents restaurant. But knowing how close chinese families are it breaks my heart more.
I wonder if he felt inclined to murder Karmein because if she were to be released she would be able to identify him meaning its someone she could've known, perhaps a frequenter at the family restaurant?
It's possible that on the day Karmein was kidnapped he first went to the restaurant as per usual, saw both parents present and then went straight to their family home knowing that there was no parent present with them at the time. Given the context of the vandalism left on the family vehicle, he obviously knew that they did indeed own a restaurant, however, not sure if he only learnt about it through the media or if it was prior knowledge. It's likely that he was a frequenter of Karmein's area because another one of his victims lived in close approximation to Karmein.
He's also clearly an opportunistic abductor given how he selected the first girl as a victim after seeing her article and learning that she and her sisters sleep alone in the bedroom and was confident that he could enter their bedroom and snatch one of the girls and that no adult would be present in the room. The girls he did release he may have known for sure that they would not be able to identify him as he's a complete stranger to them (given that girl 1 was targeted after being seen in an article).
The parents know something that they ain't telling. Why he decide to killer her but the not other two girls ? Make no sense
@@Moodboard39 Because one person trying to kidnap 3 kids isn't going to be easy.
@@victoriaross3263 hmmm
My theory is that the act of killing got to him. His previous abductions do not indicate the actions of someone with a desire to kill. He had plenty of other opportunities to kill and chose not to.
I suspect the reason he killed when he did is because she saw his face. While the video speculates that 3 shots to the head is a message, and that does line up with the spraypainted car, I posit a different explanation. It can also indicate someone who has never killed before and wants to be sure the job is done.
Combine that possibility with the sudden stop in crimes and its at least plausible that Mr. Cruel had an uncharacteristically human reaction to killing, which made him stop his crimes
I personally think he was from the police and especially from the forensics. Because he was so good at removing evidence from stuff and not to forget that he removed evidence in general.
I almost died hearing mother screams and tear out her eyes begging in first minutes of this video. Im a mother of 7 yo boy..I felt her pain..I cannot stand this... :(
Australia has THE WORST crime stories!
So sick of hearing how police departments just lose valuable evidence! No excuse for that it happens in so many cases.
Usually that happens when they are trying to PROTECT one of their own. Heck, in the USA a DEPUTY SHERIFF was CAUGHT right in the middle of the court hearing and IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA and the JUDGE stealing a very important document from the defendant's lawyer. So, if they can do that out in the open, surely they can do a lot more behind closed doors. lol...
Tampered not lost
@@amns7258 What's the difference, Amos... if it is tampered with, then it is good as lost... right.
Lost indicates it was misplaced Tampered indicates it was f****d with
@@amns7258 misplacing a SEMEN found at the Crime Scene and you replacing it with YOUR SEMEN. Then, throwing away the suspect SEMEN is all the SAME S**T... TRUTH BEING LOST... You are definitely starting to sound A LOT like a politicians... LMAO!!!
The fact this case is still unsolved after half a decade is so frightening
Rest in peace, Carmen. 🙏😇 I pray for strength for her family.
i cannot imagine the trauma these poor girls have gone thru that will stay with them for the rest of their lives
As the mother to an 8 year old, this remains my worst nightmare; some deeply nefarious, wicked soul harming my child.
This absolutely sickens me. The fact that someone feels joy and holds pride in taking someone else’s kid and unaliving them is something so unbelievable, it makes me question humanity. God help us all…
I've been watching true crime for years now, and a couple of years ago I moved to the US from Australia (I lived there for 9 years). I'm so happy I hadn't found this then.
Oh that mother's sorrow is the worst nightmare imaginable. Im so sorry for your loss
Look what people need to realize is is when you’re violated sexually that don’t ever go away until you confront that and if you never confronted it as you get older attacked you inside more.
I had been waiting to see this program since it came out. Unfortunately, it was pretty much impossible to get access to in America. Thanks so much for posting the video, finally. I consider Mr. Cruel to be the Australian equivalent of The Golden State Killer here in the US. I think he will be discovered, eventually. I don’t believe it is Brian Elkner, though.
Same. And double thank you for posting the video and ur a legend 🙌
Hopefully they catch him like they did the Golden State Killer. DNA used through ancestry websites and trace it back to his ass. It's only a matter of time.
Yes I saw a comment about eating in the home after and I thought of the golden state killer. I’m only a few minutes into the video so I don’t know the whole story yet.
@@turtle19dad genetic genealogy is absolutely amazing. It’s the biggest thingy to happen since actual dna tests were used to solve crimes. Any cold case with dna is basically able to be solved now. We just need more people to learn how to do it. That woman cece moore taught herself!!
13 year old shouldn't be left as parent or babysitter for younger siblings. Probably the killer keeps an eye on people like this for a long time though :(
I always thought the electrical lines worker theory was the best, I know 2 of his victims where abandoned at sub stations and at least 4 of the victims had houses that backed on to pylons. Plus it's very good cover been in a hardhat and harness 40 foot in the air not to mention it's a good spot for recon. I believe 2 brothers also caught a man recording children from a pylon. These 2 kids lived next door to one of the victims but the lead slipped through the cracks. He's dead now obviously but it would be nice to put it to bed
This is the best and most useful comment on here 👏
@@ItsafknZoo funnily enough that under investigation segment of 60 minutes Australia have basically came to the same conclusion I did about the electrical lines stuff and they even found the original e fit of the man the 2 brothers saw. He's in all probability dead Mr cruel or he got a long sentence for something else because these people don't stop, in fact they get more extreme as Mr cruel showed us, first do it in the house, then take the kid, then hold the kid for longer and finally karmein Chan who I personally believe got into a scuffle with him on the way to been released and I think she got his balaclava off which is why she got shot 3 times because she'd destroyed his fantasy and this made him furious. Now he's killed most profilers would say he'd keep killing because why take the risk of a witness. Eventually I believe he'd have went into a home and killed everyone, then he'd assault his victim before killing her. This theory that he felt disgusted by himself after killing Chan so he stopped... Absolute rubbish. Like I said he's dead or doing life. Sadly he was that forensically aware (or someone who'd read forensics for dummies and got lucky) as shown by the bathing and scrubbing and teeth brushing he forced every victim to do that even if they had the man's DNA it wouldn't matter because they never found any in the Mr cruel case . Enjoy your day
I think Karmein fought him and saw his face, so he killed her. So sad!!
This case broke my heart so so bad. I am so very sorry to all of the families. I cried so much
Be careful who you think you know..
The beginning when the mom was talking was too much for me. My heart couldn't take it.
So heartbreaking 😞 i do hope they solve this case , i feel for the mom 💔
Oh my Goodness that opening plea from the Mother is “Heart-Wrenching “.... I was so busy just starting out in life then, that I do not remember this family-tragedy....
They all went to the same school and they didn’t look into the staff?!?!
I'm crying. My faith in humanity is steadily dropping
I'd venture to say it may have been someone from their school.
who's school?
My heart aches for these children and parents, I normally don’t feel emotional about cases, but this was so sick.
Watching the 60 minutes documentary, I did not hear if they interviewed all current and past electrical workers, or went door to door in the area they call his safe house? I didn't hear in depth how each house was broken into. Maybe another hint... an alarm worker? Need to go every route I suppose.
Within the first minute, hearing a mother’s heart shred to pieces like that... “This is your favorite dress..You have to come home to wear it! YOU HAVE T-..” I paused the video and took a moment to look away. Nearly began to sob, myself.
I wasn’t prepared to feel like that.
It’s just a normal Tuesday afternoon for me.
God bless this woman and her family; I pray with everything in me, she (and all parents whose lives have been terrorized by unnecessary acts of cruelty against their children,) is able to find lasting measures of acceptance of things which cannot be forgiven, moments of true happiness within the strength to smile while remembering her Carmen, and the spiritual awareness to feel the warmth of soul - energy which cannot be destroyed with body - as she speaks to and of her daughter, until they meet again.
I’d give anything to be able to provide indefinite and infinite protection of every child in the world.
Or at the very least, be able to inflict maximum amounts of pain onto those who choose to harm them.