@Jacob Sirak does the rogue prince have caraxes in this scenario because if so blackfyre is fucked. However one on one Blackfyre was said to be the warrior come again so I believe he would win.
Watching George reflect back on his own writing is amazing... I find it so interesting when he remembers the characters of his own story it's almost like he is giving us a history lesson about somone who actually existed... There are moments when he looks into the back of his mind, is he just making this shit up on the spot? Is this his gift? Amazing story telling
Well Dany **may** be the descendant of Daemon Blackfyre... there's a lot of foreshadowing that Dany's memory is wrong. In the first version of Dany's story, in the novella before 'A Game of Thrones', the house with the Red Door was in Tyosh. The old base of the Blackfyres. There's a lot of other symbolism (Rohanne of Tyrosh, the symbol of House Bracken being a horse, Stormborn having part of a bastard name, Viserys' poor treatment of her etc).
@@Ranben. I don't think any of that is hinting at her being a blackfyre. The house with the red door may have been in tyrosh in Asoiaf but I doubt it, after all the marriage pact between ser Willem Darry and the Martells was witnessed by the sea lord of braavos.
I wish George would have also specified in this interview that Daemon Blackfyre was the son of King Aegon the Unworthy (aka Aegon IV) AND Princess Daena Targaryen, hin first cousin who was passed over the throne because she was a woman. She was the daughter of King Aegon the third, while Aegon the Unworthy was "only" his nephew. Daena's lineage matters. Daemon Blackfyre didn't just look Targaryen. He was a Targaryen prince and both his mother and his father side as they were cousins. He was just born outside of marriage.
He was legitimized by his father and half of the realm wanted him as their king. He surely had a claim. Succession isn't black and white in ASOIAF nor in real history. Only the last minute of an even battle made Daemon lose. Had he battle gone the other way he would have been king. Power resides were people think it resides. Half the realm thought Daemon Blackfyre was the rightful king. If 50% of the realm thinks you are the King, that means you have a good claim. Bastard-born or not. Also noboby was sure if the children King Aegon IV had with his sisterwife were his or his brother Aemon the Dragonknight's. Aegon suspected they were Aemon's, as he was much closer to the Queen. Even Maester Aemon who's is named after Aemon the Dragonknight, admits that he has no idea which one of the brothers he is descended of. So King Daeron II might very well have been a bastard as well as Daemon Blackfyre.
Of course. But that was never the argument. The argument I made was that Daemons mother mattered. She was a princess born of a King. Her being a princess made Daemons claim better that if she wasn't one. Successions are messy, but even a bastard can inherit in some circumstances. Especially if both of the parents are royal. One of the reasons so many hated bastards was because they were afraid of their claim or their children's claim. Catelyn feared that Jon Snow, or some of his sons, might one day inherit Winterfell before her own children. Which of course in the TV show has happened as Jon became King in The North. Daemon had a large army and was beloved by many. He was a great threat. War can make you a king just as war made Robert King. Many preferred Daemon, even though he was a born a bastard, instead of King Daeron II who brought Dorne into the realm, and also dornish influence by marrying into House Martell. Because of the circumstances Daemons claim was very strong.
Kaide Walsh Bastards claimed titles all the time. Daemon was just as righteous as his brother and he would never have taken a new last name. That is just story craft because it simpler to have distinct Blackfyres fighting Targaryens. William the Conqueror was a bastard. Several other English rulers were descended from bastards or were bastards depending on someone ‘s version of legitimacy.
Aegon IV is so petty, his rivalry with his brother (Who died for him) was something that he had to find a way to pass onto his sons ... So we got Daeron Vs Daemon, Bittersteel Vs Bloodraven.
Well Dany *may* be the descendant of Daemon Blackfyre... there's a lot of foreshadowing that Dany's memory is wrong. In the first version of Dany's story, in the novella before 'A Game of Thrones', the house with the Red Door was in Tyosh. The old base of the Blackfyres. There's a lot of other symbolism (Rohanne of Tyrosh, the symbol of House Bracken being a horse, Stormborn having part of a bastard name, Viserys' poor treatment of her etc).
I feel like Daemon Blackfyre must have had some evidence presented before him that Daeron wasn't the legitimate heir. Daemon Blackfyre was a good guy as we can see he died while trying to get his enemy to safety. He wasn't an evil person who wanted to see the world burn like Bittersteel. It might have been Bittersteel who uncovered some truth. Just like we see in the show that Jon being Aegon Targaryen was left a secret and the realm essentially didn't know about. Even though we saw varys writing those messages, they never followed up on it. So it might be something like this that Daeron was not legitimate and it never got brought to light and only a handful people knew.
If Young Griff really is a Blackfyre and he reveals his identity in TWOW, he might as well reveal a document or texts that confirms Daeron II really was the bastard of Aemon the Dragonknight and unlike the 5 previous rebellions, the great houses whom previously supported the Targaryens will now support the Blackfyres which will be ironic poetry at his finest!
I'm with you man, I can totally think Brinden is at fault as a Green seer, he should have been able to counter Aegor "The Bittersteel" from Poisoning Daemon Blackfyre.
Daemon of the House Blackfyre, First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. It has a nice ring to it honestly XD
How could you not be a Stan of Daemon Blackfyre?! The king who bore the sword. The honorable man who was cut down by Bloodraven while attempting to move Corbrays body to safety?! The man who didn’t leave his son to die by himself or the guy stuck to a parasite tree, who was the better man?
the main reason Aegon IV dislike Daeron, was because he doubted the prince’s paternity having long suspected that his queen had an affair with Aemon the dragon knight. Daeron married off Daenerys to the prince of Dorne, which enraged Daemon since he wanted her for himself.
It was kind of heavily implied Aegon himself spread that rumour, cause of how much he hated Daeron. Daemon didn't rebel after the marriage. He got married himself, was gifted a piece of land where he could build a castle by Daeron, had a bunch of kids who grew up. Then after 15 years of a peaceful life where Daeron grew to be known as Daeron The Good, he rebelled.
@@jodhod1498 And that was when Daeron was given Dornish princess. It was stated by Barristan or Connington in DoD that Daemon loved her but since he was just a bastard and she was a princes. first in line to succeed Dornish throne. He wasn't thinking about rebelling against Daeron until he didn't try to join Dorne by marrying her. He realised that with being beloved by half of the kingdom, not to mention he received ancestral sword of kings - The Blackfyre, he could try to beat Daeron and take the girl he always loved. I don't remember the chapter or character but I believe it was either Jon Connington or Barristan Selmy POV in which either of them was remembering the past, Rhaegar and how he followed egoistic feeling for a woman that led to his downfall along with other historic figures -> Daemon Blackfyre, Dance of the Dragons.
TWOIAF heavily implies these rumors were manufactured by Aegon himself, who hated his son (a much better person, son, father, brother and diplomat Aegon IV ever was). Despite his gigantic proportions, Aegon was always someone who favored martial people (think of Tywin Lannister or Randyll Tarly) over their other sons, less skilled in battle. So naturally, out of jealousy, he began spreading these rumours, which only helped to strengthen people's perspective of Daemon.
I mean, technically if all the Targaryens are gone then that would make their cadet branches the heirs to the Throne. This is why Robert Baratheon became king after his rebellion, without any Targaryens in westeros the closest relative was the heir of house Baratheon, because house Baratheon was founded by a Targaryen bastard, just like the Blackfyres. But the Blackfyres were a house descending from a _legitimized_ bastard that'd give them a slightly stronger claim than the Baratheons. To put it short; If Young Griff is a Blackfyre, he's still very much entitled to the Throne, since the last publicly known actual Targaryen is a woman.
@@wardeni9603 And Robert's (also Stannis and Renly's) grandmother was a Targ (Egg's daughter). After the conquest, the two houses were close and they intermarried sometimes.
If you take the words of an unworthy king. And judging by this, it was Viserys who was Mad Aerys' heir since he erased Rhaegar's birthright, and therefore his children's too. So, if Jon Snow happens to be a Targaryen in the books too (which is almost certain), then it means he has no right on the throne.
He had the blood 🩸 of Aegon III in his veins as well through his mother. Which would make the Young Dragon his uncle. So the Blackfyres were “purer” than the mainline Targaryens.
We just need George to put out a book like fire and blood but just nothing but facts lol. I also like how she corrected herself and George seemed very pleased that she did
What's weird is the Medieval idea of hereditary monarchy was a response to limit wars of succession that had been in the Roman Empire, when an emperor died and there would be violent disputes of succession between the senators and great generals
I'm so glad people now are knowing the awesome characters in the books through House of Dragon, can't wait to see everyone's reaction to Blackfyre Rebellion and all characters involved. To me, they're much more interesting than the ones in Dance of Dragons (who are already interesting).
Why do they always get interviewers who obviously have not read the books and know nothing about the story? I'd love to see someone who actually knows what they're asking about and not just reading cue cards to him....
Disagree. For one he is a bastard, not a Targaryen. Two, Aegon I was formidable. Maegor and Maekar were stronger. Daemon Targaryen was arguably the best warrior, the most courageous. The best dragon rider. And Bloodraven, just as bastard as Daemon B, was a smarter warrior
@@aegonbreakspear9102 Daemon Blackfyre was probably the greatest melee fighter of the Targaryen bloodline, Daemon Targaryen the best dragonrider(and most badass), Bloodraven was the smartest and probably overall most dangerous.
If you ask me. . . .if Aegor "The Bitter Steel" wasn't kicking around Daemon Blackfyre poisoning him against his Brother and King, I'm quite sure he would let thing go and serve as a new Valyrian House ready for action maybe even because they not part of the Royal House, they could bind the whole Houses of westerns into one single front.
Couldn't the interviewer review the saga a little before doing the meeting with GRRM? Seriously all of us can make a better role than that girl...No idea about the Blackfyre rebellions? Pufffff
the weirdest part is that she's the one who brought it up. it's not like he caught her off guard by randomly mentioning some character she didn't read about and wasn't prepared to talk about. she had written down a specific question so she already knew well in advance that she was gonna ask about it. and she STILL didn't bother committing it to memory :|
We need a blackfyre show , fans are realy intrested in blackfyre rebellion and in Deamon Blackfyre character more than Dunkan & egg , thought both shows happen in same period , it would realy great if we get blackfyre rebellion show , or continues with House of dragons shows season 5 , 6 ,7 ,8 after the dance of dragons , reing of Aegon &, Dearon , Bealor , Viserys , until we get there to the Unworthy King reing
Hell ye we need that asap cause i wanna see how evil was my boy bloodraven love tht character so much if im not mistaken ain’t he was the other guy after daemon targaryen to have Dark Sister
This interview is the epitome of the kind of person authors loath. Someone who clearly hasn't bothered to even read the back cover nevermind bother to open the book.
You need a 5 year olds intelligence to understand that if someone has a surname different from that of Danaerys, then he probably isn't a paternal grandfather of Dany
Funnily enough Deamon Targaryen is Dany/Viseryes/Jon grandfather many times removed. He’s the one we see in the house of the dragon. And Deamon Blackfyre was a Targaryen bastard on both sides
I have no idea how HBO will make the Dance of Dragons. CG for Dragons will cost an arm and a leg. who knows what will happen after Game of Thrones is over tonight. I have heard that they are making a show about Valyria but who knows about these rumors
@@tHeWasTeDYouTh Cool, if I could chose a place to live in ASoIaF would definetly be Valyria in the height of the empire. Lots of Dragons nd magic, would love to be a Dragon Lord. But that is not Westeros, and there is not much know about Valyria, so after that, the coolest is the Dance. Not to mention it has a lot of politicak scheming, specially if it starts befor Viserys die, so it shows his wife plotting to put her son at the Iron Throne.
was it so hard for this lady to go to the WIKI and actually read the lore of the books. holy crap guys this is insane/ someone deliver the KINGS JUSTICE on her!!!
Hard-to-swallow-pills: Daeron was not only the rightful Heir to the throne, he was also objectively the better King. Anyone looking for a Rebel faction to support should support Queen Rhaenyra during the Dance of Dragons. There's a Monarch robbed of her rightful inheritance if ever there was one.
I like her too, but was she really robbed? Yes she was the oldest child and her father wanted her to be queen. But doesn't Westeros law say it's the first born SON who should inherit the throne. Then again it might be there is no law and it's just customary for a son to inherit, I'm not really sure.
you are correct that both tradition and law in westeros ignore women if there are any other male heirs but the thing is the king of westeros is at least in theory a absolute monarchy. His word is the law if he wants he can name a chicken king of westeros. The customs and other law are subservient to the kings will. but of course the person named heir always needs support from others so its allway kind of a free 4 all. of course one of the points of the story is to show the flaws in the system
Rhaenyra the whore who bedded everyone, defied her father the king, let her husband murder her brother’s children (via Blood and Cheese), didn't listen to her advisors and got eaten by a dragon. Talk about a entitled brat. Aegon II would've been a wiser choice.
Stoner Puppy as noted, the King kind of makes the law. Add to that the fact that everyone had already sworn fealty to her but then broke it. That's a much bigger deal: the law may be fuzzy and whom you swear fealty to may be a tough choice. But once you do, you have made your choice, and if you break it you are a traitor by your own rules. Especially if you broke your oath only because you made it to a woman. And incidentally: if you need to murder members of your own government because they won't go along with your reprehensible policies, then you are probably the bad guy.
The videos of G R R Martin explaining parts of his books always have such toxic comment sections where they all hate on the interviewer or interviewers. I dont realy understand or like that cause i am a big GoT fan and havent read the books (yet) and those Interviewers get Martin to talk about the Story you dont see in GoT and they always get hate because they make a little mistake or arent as informed as some of the people commenting here or maybe they sometimes just pretend to not know so much about the the history of Westeros to get interesting answers and if u ask me: it works cause i love these videos. Maybe a little something to think about or am i wrong here? :)
It's not really that they don't know the history of A Song of Ice and Fire it's that they're interviewing the author of it if they were just talking about it that would be fine but it's like if somebody came in for surgery and the surgeon said what's this knife thingy talking about a scalpel it make you a little uneasy
I guess the mistake she made in this instance seemed like a really bad one. I understand what you're saying BUT when the interviewer actually knows the books, the comment section is full of people praising the interviewer, so I think criticism is also fair.
I just realized if the Three Eyed Raven is Brynden Rivers, then the three eyed Raven becomes Bran, then in an extremely roundabout way Bran is a legitimate King.
@MatthewB Brynden Rivers was Hand of the King, never king. He fought against for the Targaryens and against the Blackfyres (and is responsible for Daemon's death). Even if he did have some claim to the thrown, he was loyal to the Targaryens. In fact, he was exiled and sent to the Wall because he executed Blackfyre pretenders in an unchivalrous manner. Even so, as the three-eyed-raven, Bran has zero claim because all that the three-eyed-raven is is the last greensear. He holds no authority over Westeros.
@@tommynoble9075 I'm saying Brynden Rivers is a legitimized bastard and was thrust into the line of succession by a dying Aegon iv. In the books it's strongly hinted that he is the three eyed Raven. All I'm saying is if he is in fact the three eyed raven then he becomes Bran, he actually has a claim - albeit convoluted - to the throne.
the thing that bothers me the most about the painting they show for the battle of the red grass field is that they drew daemon blackfyre with black armor and a red dragon on his helm. Shouldn't it be red armor with a black dragon
97epicman well, generally in the Game of thrones universe, the people who we would consider to be more “good” generally don’t always triumph (see Targaryen, Rhaegar). So it’s interesting to see a Daeron, who is more good in our sense since he was more committed to peace instead of war, actually come out over the highly marshal and knightly Daemon Blackfyre. The peacemaker beat the warrior during the first blackfyre rebellion, which isn’t as guaranteed in Asoiaf as it is in other series, so it’s interesting to see that happen
I think it has a lot to do with Daeron having an advantage in army, allies, etc. In the events that happen in ASOIAF the starks, who are the good guys, are the ones who lose against their enemies, but it is mainly because they put their trust in the wrong people (littlefinger. the freys, greyjoy and bolton), and do stupid things for honor (Ned telling cersei what he was about to do before he got killed, rob marrying jeyne westerling, etc). On the other hand you have Daeron, who was also a good guy, but he was a good guy with a lot of power, and was protected by not-so-good guys, such as bloodraven.
I hate that the writers of GOT, D&D, never wrote Blackfyre into the GOT Series. It could’ve been found by Dany while she was still in Esos, maybe finding the remaining Blackfyres and have them join her cause. Or they should’ve really went this route, have Young Griff come into contact with the Golden Company in turn having them join Young Griff where he is gifted the Sword Blackfyre. He then travels North to look for Dany and the Dragons, only to end up helping with the battle against the White Walkers. Thus winning over Dany in a way and having a conflict with Jon and Dany trying to determine the true heir of Westeros after the Siege of KingsLanding. Could’ve extended the GOT Series entirely up to 10 Seasons. So much Book Material and Characters was left out, D&D were completely incompetent after Season 4-5. HBO should’ve demanded that George had to be apart of the writers room to help with the rest of the series or give the series to new writers as it was hinted that D&D were growing tired of the series toward the end. If that was the case they should’ve changed writers with the help of George. Forever Ruined the Greatest Show Ever.
@@raimiralles I’m just typing a comment using informal speech, I didnt know I had folks checking for “should have” or “should’ve,” I mean I don’t see a problem with “should of, could of, would of,” in a you tube comment. But, how you gonna correct me on grammar, when you began your comment with “Bro?”
Daemon Blackfyre's mother was Daena Targaryen, sister of Kings Daeron the Young Dragon and Baelor the Blessed. In terms of succession Daemon Blackfyre had legitimate claim to the throne.
It's referred to throughout the series, but I'd maybe try "The World of Ice and Fire", which is a companion book that goes into a lot of the historical backstory of the series.
Daemon blackfyre is such a cool name lol
And the True King of the 7 kingdoms!!!
GRRM is so good at naming his characters
@Jacob Sirak oh man that’s a tough one. I’m gonna give a slight edge to the rogue prince because he won’t be afraid to fight dirty lol.
@Jacob Sirak does the rogue prince have caraxes in this scenario because if so blackfyre is fucked. However one on one Blackfyre was said to be the warrior come again so I believe he would win.
@@LordCorlys Not to mention he has a dragon and Daemon Blackfyre doesn't XD
Watching George reflect back on his own writing is amazing... I find it so interesting when he remembers the characters of his own story it's almost like he is giving us a history lesson about somone who actually existed... There are moments when he looks into the back of his mind, is he just making this shit up on the spot? Is this his gift? Amazing story telling
In this interview, GRRM corrects all the mistakes made by the interviewer instead of actually getting interviewed.
It seems she mixed up Daemon Blackfyre with Daemon Targaryen who actually was Danys great-great etc grandfather. Through the line of his son Viserys
Well Dany **may** be the descendant of Daemon Blackfyre... there's a lot of foreshadowing that Dany's memory is wrong. In the first version of Dany's story, in the novella before 'A Game of Thrones', the house with the Red Door was in Tyosh. The old base of the Blackfyres. There's a lot of other symbolism (Rohanne of Tyrosh, the symbol of House Bracken being a horse, Stormborn having part of a bastard name, Viserys' poor treatment of her etc).
@@Ranben. I don't think any of that is hinting at her being a blackfyre. The house with the red door may have been in tyrosh in Asoiaf but I doubt it, after all the marriage pact between ser Willem Darry and the Martells was witnessed by the sea lord of braavos.
I wish George would have also specified in this interview that Daemon Blackfyre was the son of King Aegon the Unworthy (aka Aegon IV) AND Princess Daena Targaryen, hin first cousin who was passed over the throne because she was a woman. She was the daughter of King Aegon the third, while Aegon the Unworthy was "only" his nephew. Daena's lineage matters. Daemon Blackfyre didn't just look Targaryen. He was a Targaryen prince and both his mother and his father side as they were cousins. He was just born outside of marriage.
He was legitimized by his father and half of the realm wanted him as their king. He surely had a claim. Succession isn't black and white in ASOIAF nor in real history. Only the last minute of an even battle made Daemon lose. Had he battle gone the other way he would have been king. Power resides were people think it resides. Half the realm thought Daemon Blackfyre was the rightful king. If 50% of the realm thinks you are the King, that means you have a good claim. Bastard-born or not.
Also noboby was sure if the children King Aegon IV had with his sisterwife were his or his brother Aemon the Dragonknight's. Aegon suspected they were Aemon's, as he was much closer to the Queen. Even Maester Aemon who's is named after Aemon the Dragonknight, admits that he has no idea which one of the brothers he is descended of. So King Daeron II might very well have been a bastard as well as Daemon Blackfyre.
Of course. But that was never the argument. The argument I made was that Daemons mother mattered. She was a princess born of a King. Her being a princess made Daemons claim better that if she wasn't one. Successions are messy, but even a bastard can inherit in some circumstances. Especially if both of the parents are royal. One of the reasons so many hated bastards was because they were afraid of their claim or their children's claim. Catelyn feared that Jon Snow, or some of his sons, might one day inherit Winterfell before her own children. Which of course in the TV show has happened as Jon became King in The North.
Daemon had a large army and was beloved by many. He was a great threat. War can make you a king just as war made Robert King. Many preferred Daemon, even though he was a born a bastard, instead of King Daeron II who brought Dorne into the realm, and also dornish influence by marrying into House Martell. Because of the circumstances Daemons claim was very strong.
Kaide Walsh Bastards claimed titles all the time. Daemon was just as righteous as his brother and he would never have taken a new last name. That is just story craft because it simpler to have distinct Blackfyres fighting Targaryens.
William the Conqueror was a bastard. Several other English rulers were descended from bastards or were bastards depending on someone ‘s version of legitimacy.
tell the truth, HE WAS A BASTARD that was legitimized on the death bed of that fat fuck Aegon
@@tHeWasTeDYouTh
Did you really read ALL his WHOLE posts?
If you play ck2 you know exactly what Aegon IV was thinking when he legitimized all his bastards on his deathbed.
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Ok, what was it?
Whats ck2?
And where can i watch it
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Crusader Kings 2, a medieval dynasty strategy game. also has a great asoiaf mod
All Hail King Daemon Blackfyre Chivalrous Knight Honorable Man and The King Who Bore The Sword🗡
You're already in love and idolizing this character and he does not even have a show yet, what will you do if they make a blackfyre rebellion show ?😂
@@angryyoungman66 Great question might die from pure joy.
@@angryyoungman66enjoy it? Whats your point exactly? 😂
@@beeeeeesbury I'll enjoy it because Bloodraven will be in it.
He surely was no king ! Daeron The Good was better than Daemon could ever be.
Deemon Blackfyre is pretty badass tho
Aegon IV is so petty, his rivalry with his brother (Who died for him) was something that he had to find a way to pass onto his sons ...
So we got Daeron Vs Daemon, Bittersteel Vs Bloodraven.
"dany's great great great great grandfather"
*ArE yOu SuRe AbOuT tHaT?*
@asd fgh I mean he wrote the fucking thing so........ What's so surprising?
@@aduarte8057 Just because he wrote it doesn't mean it isn't impressive. I mean look at what all he wrote, it is a shit ton of information.
Well Dany *may* be the descendant of Daemon Blackfyre... there's a lot of foreshadowing that Dany's memory is wrong. In the first version of Dany's story, in the novella before 'A Game of Thrones', the house with the Red Door was in Tyosh. The old base of the Blackfyres. There's a lot of other symbolism (Rohanne of Tyrosh, the symbol of House Bracken being a horse, Stormborn having part of a bastard name, Viserys' poor treatment of her etc).
Daemons are Badass
i wish interviewers didn't exist. like just get grrm on a stage with some questions on a paper and that's that
The fake laughing is driving me nuts I can't even watch the full interview
it's like the old sitcoms where if a person breathed a laugh track would play
They found the most uninformed and boring interviewer possible for this
or she probably picked herself
She obviously knows nothing about the Song of Ice and Fire lol,
facts
@@Lalvon_Zelpharr she is a female real life boring version of Jon Snow. She knows nothing
I've seen way worse
This guy is an absolute genius. What a fantastic world he created. WOW, love it!
I think grrm has played a little to much ck2...
A man of culture I see...
@@NRV0 +25 Same Trait Opinion
+50 Raised me to Nobility
-50 TrAiTor
I feel like Daemon Blackfyre must have had some evidence presented before him that Daeron wasn't the legitimate heir. Daemon Blackfyre was a good guy as we can see he died while trying to get his enemy to safety. He wasn't an evil person who wanted to see the world burn like Bittersteel. It might have been Bittersteel who uncovered some truth. Just like we see in the show that Jon being Aegon Targaryen was left a secret and the realm essentially didn't know about. Even though we saw varys writing those messages, they never followed up on it. So it might be something like this that Daeron was not legitimate and it never got brought to light and only a handful people knew.
If Young Griff really is a Blackfyre and he reveals his identity in TWOW, he might as well reveal a document or texts that confirms Daeron II really was the bastard of Aemon the Dragonknight and unlike the 5 previous rebellions, the great houses whom previously supported the Targaryens will now support the Blackfyres which will be ironic poetry at his finest!
I'm with you man, I can totally think Brinden is at fault as a Green seer, he should have been able to counter Aegor "The Bittersteel" from Poisoning Daemon Blackfyre.
or mostly likely Bittersteel lied to him and manage to convince Daemon
I am sure daeron is the bastard of the dragonknight
@@jonstark153 Even if he wasn't, Daemon's mother was Baelor's heir and was usurped by viserys II.
The interviewer gave me anxiety with her lack of knowledge about what she’s asking
*first question: gets character's name wrong*
oh boy here we go..
She sucks but why are u panicked by it?
Gurm never gets interviewers who deserve to be there
Daemon of the House Blackfyre, First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.
It has a nice ring to it honestly XD
I'm a Blackfyre loyalist too, ma boi got robbed.
Dareon is the real bastard
@@dhruv9744 long live the true king, the black dragon!
@@dhruv9744 The battle was going so well, victory was almost his, but Bloodraven's gonna Bloodraven(I'm also a huge Bloodraven fan too though).
Daemon was stupid. He would have a better change to win the rebellion if he named himself Daemon Targaryen instead of Blackfyre
How could you not be a Stan of Daemon Blackfyre?! The king who bore the sword. The honorable man who was cut down by Bloodraven while attempting to move Corbrays body to safety?! The man who didn’t leave his son to die by himself or the guy stuck to a parasite tree, who was the better man?
Bran The Broken has a better history.
The man who cried for a iron chair vs the man who want to save the world and stop the others with their eldritch fking god
Oh god.... This interviewer is just .... No!!
the main reason Aegon IV dislike Daeron, was because he doubted the prince’s paternity having long suspected that his queen had an affair with Aemon the dragon knight. Daeron married off Daenerys to the prince of Dorne, which enraged Daemon since he wanted her for himself.
It was kind of heavily implied Aegon himself spread that rumour, cause of how much he hated Daeron.
Daemon didn't rebel after the marriage. He got married himself, was gifted a piece of land where he could build a castle by Daeron, had a bunch of kids who grew up.
Then after 15 years of a peaceful life where Daeron grew to be known as Daeron The Good, he rebelled.
Daemon reminds me of young robert
@@jodhod1498 And that was when Daeron was given Dornish princess. It was stated by Barristan or Connington in DoD that Daemon loved her but since he was just a bastard and she was a princes. first in line to succeed Dornish throne. He wasn't thinking about rebelling against Daeron until he didn't try to join Dorne by marrying her. He realised that with being beloved by half of the kingdom, not to mention he received ancestral sword of kings - The Blackfyre, he could try to beat Daeron and take the girl he always loved. I don't remember the chapter or character but I believe it was either Jon Connington or Barristan Selmy POV in which either of them was remembering the past, Rhaegar and how he followed egoistic feeling for a woman that led to his downfall along with other historic figures -> Daemon Blackfyre, Dance of the Dragons.
TWOIAF heavily implies these rumors were manufactured by Aegon himself, who hated his son (a much better person, son, father, brother and diplomat Aegon IV ever was).
Despite his gigantic proportions, Aegon was always someone who favored martial people (think of Tywin Lannister or Randyll Tarly) over their other sons, less skilled in battle.
So naturally, out of jealousy, he began spreading these rumours, which only helped to strengthen people's perspective of Daemon.
How hard could it have been to find someone who read the books.
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Because it would make the interview boring
@@tyfoparalax8894 someone who read it would ask better questions...
If GRRM wasn’t such a nice guy, I would be anxious that he would lose his patience with this uninformed interviewer.
Pick any interviewer that have not read the books and watched the show
: yes
Young Griffs house is getting some shine.
Faegon intensifies*****
Aaayyyeeee
I mean, technically if all the Targaryens are gone then that would make their cadet branches the heirs to the Throne. This is why Robert Baratheon became king after his rebellion, without any Targaryens in westeros the closest relative was the heir of house Baratheon, because house Baratheon was founded by a Targaryen bastard, just like the Blackfyres. But the Blackfyres were a house descending from a _legitimized_ bastard that'd give them a slightly stronger claim than the Baratheons. To put it short; If Young Griff is a Blackfyre, he's still very much entitled to the Throne, since the last publicly known actual Targaryen is a woman.
@@wardeni9603 damn for real.
@@wardeni9603 And Robert's (also Stannis and Renly's) grandmother was a Targ (Egg's daughter). After the conquest, the two houses were close and they intermarried sometimes.
In my book; he was the legitimate heir to the iron throne
He was Stannis in dragon's flesh and blood!
If you take the words of an unworthy king. And judging by this, it was Viserys who was Mad Aerys' heir since he erased Rhaegar's birthright, and therefore his children's too. So, if Jon Snow happens to be a Targaryen in the books too (which is almost certain), then it means he has no right on the throne.
He had the blood 🩸 of Aegon III in his veins as well through his mother. Which would make the Young Dragon his uncle. So the Blackfyres were “purer” than the mainline Targaryens.
We just need George to put out a book like fire and blood but just nothing but facts lol. I also like how she corrected herself and George seemed very pleased that she did
It could be themed as a maesters book of facts and lore of Westeros.
Wouldn't it be least interesting?
After game of thrones we want the series on the whole targeryean dynasty which should start on Aegon's conquest and end on Rhaeghar's death
And dany conquest
@@jeagerjeager9171 yeah that one too
I can get behind that
That’s gonna take 10+ seasons
You watched House of the dragon? Looks like we might get this
What's weird is the Medieval idea of hereditary monarchy was a response to limit wars of succession that had been in the Roman Empire, when an emperor died and there would be violent disputes of succession between the senators and great generals
I believe Daemon is his favourite Targaryen.
That's Daemon Targaryen not Daemon Blackfyre
I'm so glad people now are knowing the awesome characters in the books through House of Dragon, can't wait to see everyone's reaction to Blackfyre Rebellion and all characters involved. To me, they're much more interesting than the ones in Dance of Dragons (who are already interesting).
Why do they always get interviewers who obviously have not read the books and know nothing about the story? I'd love to see someone who actually knows what they're asking about and not just reading cue cards to him....
Poor George having to put up with it.
3:15 killed me
He is the best warrior in the Targaryen dynasty
You Goddamn right
What about Daemon The Rogue Prince
Disagree. For one he is a bastard, not a Targaryen.
Two, Aegon I was formidable.
Maegor and Maekar were stronger.
Daemon Targaryen was arguably the best warrior, the most courageous. The best dragon rider.
And Bloodraven, just as bastard as Daemon B, was a smarter warrior
@@aegonbreakspear9102 Daemon Blackfyre was probably the greatest melee fighter of the Targaryen bloodline, Daemon Targaryen the best dragonrider(and most badass), Bloodraven was the smartest and probably overall most dangerous.
@@anatoldenevers237 imagine a army of three of those lads....
I seriously hope they do a blackfyre rebellion and Aegon's Conquest show.
"King Aegon the IV, also known as my favorite self-insert."
This guy seems to know alot about game of thrones lore. Pretty cool.
Goddamn it’s like the Jacobite rebellions but cooler
"You know nothing, interviewer"
George RR Martin looks like Aegon IV The Unworthy Targaryen.
Yeah but he's had a lot more years to put on the weight than Aegon IV.
If you ask me. . . .if Aegor "The Bitter Steel" wasn't kicking around Daemon Blackfyre poisoning him against his Brother and King, I'm quite sure he would let thing go and serve as a new Valyrian House ready for action maybe even because they not part of the Royal House, they could bind the whole Houses of westerns into one single front.
Something I find mind blowing is why didn’t they find someone who’s read the books to ask the questions
Couldn't the interviewer review the saga a little before doing the meeting with GRRM?
Seriously all of us can make a better role than that girl...No idea about the Blackfyre rebellions?
Pufffff
the weirdest part is that she's the one who brought it up. it's not like he caught her off guard by randomly mentioning some character she didn't read about and wasn't prepared to talk about. she had written down a specific question so she already knew well in advance that she was gonna ask about it. and she STILL didn't bother committing it to memory :|
@@ToxicallyMasculinelol i think it's actually community questions, not hers.
We need a blackfyre show , fans are realy intrested in blackfyre rebellion and in Deamon Blackfyre character more than Dunkan & egg , thought both shows happen in same period , it would realy great if we get blackfyre rebellion show , or continues with House of dragons shows season 5 , 6 ,7 ,8 after the dance of dragons , reing of Aegon &, Dearon , Bealor , Viserys , until we get there to the Unworthy King reing
Hell ye we need that asap cause i wanna see how evil was my boy bloodraven love tht character so much if im not mistaken ain’t he was the other guy after daemon targaryen to have Dark Sister
How far back did he write into GOT history? The detail is absolutely crazy
With details? 300 years 😂
Superficially? About 5000 years.
THE KING WHO BORE THE SWORD!
This interview is the epitome of the kind of person authors loath. Someone who clearly hasn't bothered to even read the back cover nevermind bother to open the book.
Uploaded April 1, 2018.
Would be nice if the interviewer had done her homework before the interview...
You need a 5 year olds intelligence to understand that if someone has a surname different from that of Danaerys, then he probably isn't a paternal grandfather of Dany
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Not really. But you can count the ancestors she had with a different name on one hand-Valaryon, Arryn, Martell-and maybe one or two others.
Probably my favorite art from game of thrones. I wish series used 15 century European armor instead what they used.
Even if the Targaryens didn't have dragons, they had ser barristan selmy so it evens out
I had to stop for a moment. I'm like, how the fuck is daemon her great great great great grandfather if she isn't a blackfyre?
U never know....
Funnily enough Deamon Targaryen is Dany/Viseryes/Jon grandfather many times removed. He’s the one we see in the house of the dragon. And Deamon Blackfyre was a Targaryen bastard on both sides
Aegon the fourth has to be inspired in king Jon
we need truly legit cgi that is almost the exact same as live action television. only then can we really show this world
This would be a great spinn of series, after the Dance of Dragons wich is the coolest and must be!
I have no idea how HBO will make the Dance of Dragons. CG for Dragons will cost an arm and a leg. who knows what will happen after Game of Thrones is over tonight. I have heard that they are making a show about Valyria but who knows about these rumors
@@tHeWasTeDYouTh Cool, if I could chose a place to live in ASoIaF would definetly be Valyria in the height of the empire.
Lots of Dragons nd magic, would love to be a Dragon Lord. But that is not Westeros, and there is not much know about Valyria, so after that, the coolest is the Dance. Not to mention it has a lot of politicak scheming, specially if it starts befor Viserys die, so it shows his wife plotting to put her son at the Iron Throne.
@@MrFantocan Hope you enjoyed the first episode! Was very good imo
@@itsbreezy2521 Hasn't even been a season and it's already falling into the trappings of spectacle over substance. It's like Season 7 all over again.
Damon Blackfire
Dan Jones is a much better interviewer not only is he an expert in history and the inspiration behind ASOIAF but he also seems like he knows the books
was it so hard for this lady to go to the WIKI and actually read the lore of the books. holy crap guys this is insane/
someone deliver the KINGS JUSTICE on her!!!
Yes
the interviewer man, she couldnt know less if she tried
Basically Aegon The Unworthy made Robert Baratheon look like Ned Stark
Hard-to-swallow-pills: Daeron was not only the rightful Heir to the throne, he was also objectively the better King.
Anyone looking for a Rebel faction to support should support Queen Rhaenyra during the Dance of Dragons. There's a Monarch robbed of her rightful inheritance if ever there was one.
I like her too, but was she really robbed? Yes she was the oldest child and her father wanted her to be queen. But doesn't Westeros law say it's the first born SON who should inherit the throne. Then again it might be there is no law and it's just customary for a son to inherit, I'm not really sure.
you are correct that both tradition and law in westeros ignore women if there are any other male heirs but the thing is the king of westeros is at least in theory a absolute monarchy. His word is the law if he wants he can name a chicken king of westeros. The customs and other law are subservient to the kings will. but of course the person named heir always needs support from others so its allway kind of a free 4 all. of course one of the points of the story is to show the flaws in the system
Rhaenyra the whore who bedded everyone, defied her father the king, let her husband murder her brother’s children (via Blood and Cheese), didn't listen to her advisors and got eaten by a dragon. Talk about a entitled brat. Aegon II would've been a wiser choice.
Stoner Puppy as noted, the King kind of makes the law. Add to that the fact that everyone had already sworn fealty to her but then broke it. That's a much bigger deal: the law may be fuzzy and whom you swear fealty to may be a tough choice. But once you do, you have made your choice, and if you break it you are a traitor by your own rules. Especially if you broke your oath only because you made it to a woman.
And incidentally: if you need to murder members of your own government because they won't go along with your reprehensible policies, then you are probably the bad guy.
Really wish HBO would have adapted the dance of dragons instead of some ancient Stark prequel
As soon as I heard the interviewer I went straight to the comments
That sword has a new target after this interview
Like the stare he gave her when he said unworthy xd
The videos of G R R Martin explaining parts of his books always have such toxic comment sections where they all hate on the interviewer or interviewers.
I dont realy understand or like that cause i am a big GoT fan and havent read the books (yet) and those Interviewers get Martin to talk about the Story you dont see in GoT and they always get hate because they make a little mistake or arent as informed as some of the people commenting here or maybe they sometimes just pretend to not know so much about the the history of Westeros to get interesting answers and if u ask me: it works cause i love these videos.
Maybe a little something to think about or am i wrong here? :)
It's not really that they don't know the history of A Song of Ice and Fire it's that they're interviewing the author of it if they were just talking about it that would be fine but it's like if somebody came in for surgery and the surgeon said what's this knife thingy talking about a scalpel it make you a little uneasy
I guess the mistake she made in this instance seemed like a really bad one. I understand what you're saying BUT when the interviewer actually knows the books, the comment section is full of people praising the interviewer, so I think criticism is also fair.
Daemon Blackfyre is the bastard son of Danaerys’s great great great great grandfather Aegon IV Targaryen (Aegon The Unworthy)
Nice Video!
had to pause on the great great great grandfather thing because I am suffering a severe case of second hand embarrassment.
should have asked him about azohrai
I just realized if the Three Eyed Raven is Brynden Rivers, then the three eyed Raven becomes Bran, then in an extremely roundabout way Bran is a legitimate King.
@MatthewB Brynden Rivers was Hand of the King, never king. He fought against for the Targaryens and against the Blackfyres (and is responsible for Daemon's death). Even if he did have some claim to the thrown, he was loyal to the Targaryens. In fact, he was exiled and sent to the Wall because he executed Blackfyre pretenders in an unchivalrous manner. Even so, as the three-eyed-raven, Bran has zero claim because all that the three-eyed-raven is is the last greensear. He holds no authority over Westeros.
@@tommynoble9075 I'm saying Brynden Rivers is a legitimized bastard and was thrust into the line of succession by a dying Aegon iv. In the books it's strongly hinted that he is the three eyed Raven.
All I'm saying is if he is in fact the three eyed raven then he becomes Bran, he actually has a claim - albeit convoluted - to the throne.
@@mlburch22 That doesn't make sense.
MatthewB a fun thought, but him being banished to the Night’s Watch would kill his claim.
wouldnt have been the worst idea to get an interviewer a little more familiar with Martin's work.
I would be surprised to learn that the interviewer read a single page from ASOIAF
No. Daemon Blackfyre is great, great, great grandfather of Aegon "Targaryen" Blackfyre.
the sword is the kingdom. all hail the the true king of the 7 kingdoms daemon blackfyre
Daeron was the better ruler :))) Blackfyres gtfo
I’m so certain that Aegon is a Blackfyre
Man, after all the evidences that proves the theory is 100,000% right and canon, you're STILL on doubt?!
What was the Blackfyre seat of power
Ren Hojo they never had one
Yes, I Had
Daemon I Blackfyre what was your castles name then?
Carl People call it The Red Keep :) But the Targaryen cowards usurped even it
Daemon I Blackfyre That was never your seat of power and it will never be, Maelys the Monstrous saw to that when he fell
how the hell did they manage to hire an interviewer who has to check if she's "got this right" before she even finishes asking the fucking question
Who is this woman???
The whole second and third season (cannot speak for the books) is surely about succession
He'd be an great (however many greats) uncle to Dany if anything.
the thing that bothers me the most about the painting they show for the battle of the red grass field is that they drew daemon blackfyre with black armor and a red dragon on his helm. Shouldn't it be red armor with a black dragon
Always found it interesting that Daemon lost, given how Daeron is more traditionally “good” as a king
What do you mean by that? Why would Daeron lose just because he's a good person?
97epicman well, generally in the Game of thrones universe, the people who we would consider to be more “good” generally don’t always triumph (see Targaryen, Rhaegar). So it’s interesting to see a Daeron, who is more good in our sense since he was more committed to peace instead of war, actually come out over the highly marshal and knightly Daemon Blackfyre. The peacemaker beat the warrior during the first blackfyre rebellion, which isn’t as guaranteed in Asoiaf as it is in other series, so it’s interesting to see that happen
I think it has a lot to do with Daeron having an advantage in army, allies, etc. In the events that happen in ASOIAF the starks, who are the good guys, are the ones who lose against their enemies, but it is mainly because they put their trust in the wrong people (littlefinger. the freys, greyjoy and bolton), and do stupid things for honor (Ned telling cersei what he was about to do before he got killed, rob marrying jeyne westerling, etc). On the other hand you have Daeron, who was also a good guy, but he was a good guy with a lot of power, and was protected by not-so-good guys, such as bloodraven.
Just like in real life, it's not that good never wins, it's just that good doesn't always win, and oftentimes being evil has its advantages.
This !
Next time get an interviewer that has even a passing knowledge of the books
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I hate that the writers of GOT, D&D, never wrote Blackfyre into the GOT Series. It could’ve been found by Dany while she was still in Esos, maybe finding the remaining Blackfyres and have them join her cause. Or they should’ve really went this route, have Young Griff come into contact with the Golden Company in turn having them join Young Griff where he is gifted the Sword Blackfyre. He then travels North to look for Dany and the Dragons, only to end up helping with the battle against the White Walkers. Thus winning over Dany in a way and having a conflict with Jon and Dany trying to determine the true heir of Westeros after the Siege of KingsLanding. Could’ve extended the GOT Series entirely up to 10 Seasons. So much Book Material and Characters was left out, D&D were completely incompetent after Season 4-5. HBO should’ve demanded that George had to be apart of the writers room to help with the rest of the series or give the series to new writers as it was hinted that D&D were growing tired of the series toward the end. If that was the case they should’ve changed writers with the help of George. Forever Ruined the Greatest Show Ever.
He is so done with her shit at 4:30
they should make a spinoff about black fyre
Daemon Blackfyre is the only character i felt like GRRM killed too quickly
dying of dragons was already the death of targaryens
alright, now he.
GRRM looks like
Aegon IV 😂
George looks like Aegon the unworthy
poor girl in the nerd lion's den
Daemon Blackfyre was one of the top 10 greatest warriors of Westeros of all time, he just shouldn’t of stopped to check on that guy
Bro you have read thousands of pages of ASOIAF and you still write "should of" instead of "should have"...
He is top 3
@@raimiralles I’m just typing a comment using informal speech, I didnt know I had folks checking for “should have” or “should’ve,” I mean I don’t see a problem with “should of, could of, would of,” in a you tube comment. But, how you gonna correct me on grammar, when you began your comment with “Bro?”
@@gamingwithvulpixanddratini7604 there is a difference between being informal and wrong my dude.
Well i would put Daemon Blackfyre on the same lvl as Arthur Dayne
The interviewer doesnt know anything about the books
Daemon Blackfyre's mother was Daena Targaryen, sister of Kings Daeron the Young Dragon and Baelor the Blessed. In terms of succession Daemon Blackfyre had legitimate claim to the throne.
In witch book i can read about this?
It's referred to throughout the series, but I'd maybe try "The World of Ice and Fire", which is a companion book that goes into a lot of the historical backstory of the series.
Having an interviewer like this is insulting, it’s like she doesn’t even know anything about the person she’s interviewing.
Why is she the interviewer?
Thats one adorable fat old man.