@@anshumaanpurohit6707 Catelyn had a spider sense in the moment, by the way it was described you wouldnt suspect a thing, she only felt wrong that the dining hall was getting empty and only a few key people left behind. It was some intense writin
Valter M.K. Book catelyn or tv catelyn cuz tv catelyn knew shit was wrong the second her brother left and the doors where shut if I was her I would have been like catelyn out.
@@hugos5114 I remember Catelyn's response to hearing the name westerling. "Has he managed to turn Tywins bannerman against him?" I don't understand why they changed it, in the show he acted like a child. In the books he did it to be honorable. He wasn't even truly in love with her.
@@craves7215 But it still was the syupidest tbing he could do. He lost a good portion of his army. But the real reason he couls not prevail was Edmund Tully's vanguard that prevented Tywin to pass
@@subutaynoyan5372 The biggest consequence of Edmure failing was Stannis losing in kings landing. It was still a massive failure but it was alot more reasonable and mature than it was portrayed in the show.
@@craves7215 Well, yes and no. Edmure was still petty and a bit dumb in the books. They just didn't portray the gravity of his interception of Tywin's army
Its sad that in season 8, nobody REFLECTED or thought about the old characters from the earlier seasons. If Arya wouldve sat and talked about Syrio Forrel and Yoren, if Sansa talked about Baelish or Joffrey, if Jon talked about Robb or Ygritte !!! THE LISTS GO ON. The characters just seemed so empty. The ONLY GOOD SCENE i really enjoyed in season 8 was when Podrick started to sing.
That's a very agreeable statement, my friend. I even imagine how bad the characters from the earlier seasons like Robb, Catelyn, Oberyn, or Tywin if they were in Season 8.
It feels like, there's more dialogue in any one episode of season 1 than in all episodes of season 8 combined. But hurray, we got to see a bunch of characters slowly walking from one location to another in complete silence instead.
I feel kinda sad for him. He was like young, romantic hero - betrayed by his allies. Yet he never came back for justice. Died helplessly, holding his dieing wife withering in pain for their child yet to born. And even his corpse was mutilated, not even offered a barest spec of respect. George set him up to fail - he rose too high too fast and couldn't survive the fall. Perished in the lust for revenge and the cruel ambitions.
@@210SAi Does that really matter? Unless she gave birth to his son who might, someday after the ice-zombies attck, takes some revenge.....that is pretty far-fetched. But both is books and show, his entire life after Ned left was a tragedy. Just some victories here and there that didn't even matter in the end.
Sujay Sannyamath does what really matter? You state his wife died in his arms. If you’ve read the books you know this is not true and per GRRM, Rob’s wife will appear in future books.
@@210SAiGuess my point was not made clear. His wife dieing in his arms adds an extra layer to the tragedy. But would you deny that in the books, where it didn't happen, it was any less of a massacre? I am talking about Robb Stark's rise and fall here. Regardless of his wife's situation, his life came to an abrupt and gruesome end.
Well. Remember that dialogue of cersie. When you play a game of thrones either you win or die. There's no middle ground. That's robb fate. He win and when he lose he die.
@@youri7229 Kinda agree; kinda don't. There are indeed some things the books handled better than the show (of coruse). But there are also things the show handled better than the books. The Red Wedding, for instance.
@@youri7229 I did read the books. I don't think Georgie is ever going to finish the last two, however. And...Jon is Ned's son. There's no doubt in my mind after re-reading the books.
な6IXLXRD while i agree the show has done some things much better; f.e. More white walker stuff and Oberyn Martell is a much better character, i think the red wedding is one of the shows major fuck ups honestly. Changing Robb’s reason for not marrying the frey girl from keeping the honour of the girl he laid with in a moment of weakness to TrUe LoVe was a small, but really stupid decision. Makes Robb look like an egoistic prick.
Taimoor Shah He looked the part more and was just as great as Jon. Robb was probably better at coordinating battles, where Jon was probably a tiny bit of a better fighter. Season 1-5 Jon I think is as good if not better than Robb, but Robb is waaaaaay better than Jon in seasons 7-8zz
@@bobross4616 They were both amazing characters (season 1-4, Jon got butchered later), but Jon was such a genuine person which was really rare in this universe
@@Ftreptp True. The best people in the world of GoT were easily Jon and Ned Stark. Even though Robb is up there, I still don't think Ned nor Jon would've done some of his battle tactics with "sending 1000 men to their graves", and Ned wouldn't have broken his promise to the Frays. Jon probably would've, especially when he broke his vow to the Night's watch. Actually, I forgot about Podrick, Mormont (the previous commander of the Night's Watch), are tied with Ned Stark. I wanted to mention Davos, but the things he would've done for Stannis makes him lose points.
@@motorhh literally. They'd be forced to siege the rock which could take YEARS. 🤣 Then Tywin has a perfect opportunity to be the hammer while The Rock is the anvil.
I always found that comment Roose Bolton made funny, “he ignored my advice at every turn.” If he listened to his advice he would have lost every battle rather than won them all.
When Jaime was released by catelyn, a while later him and brienne end up at harrenhal were he talks with roose and roose says give tywin his regards and Jaime replies "only if you give mine to Robb stark"
Robb Stark was always my favorite CHARACTER because I wanted him to avenge his father and destroy the Lannisters and become even more loved than Robert Baratheon.....well a guy can wish right.
@@caelgrant2903 Well...it seems to me that early Edward IV is represented by Robb Stark, but *late* Edward IV is Robert Baratheon. Edward IV's reign was peaceful, but peaceful in the way Bobby B's was (waiting for the shoe to drop)
In season 8 , Arya Sansa Jon . They just got their home back but never thought of revenge. In season 8 everybody forgot the history. Ned stark , tywin , baratheon , robb everything for nothing.
Their will come a day in every man's life where he must choose. -Aemon Targaryen. They didn't forget. Arya got revenge on the freys, the Lannisters were defeated by the north army (that's some pretty big fuck you revenge), and tywin was already dead so what could they do? And the boltons along with the Lords of Umber and Karstark were killed. D&D did a very crappy job at telling the story, no doubt. But their revenge was fulfilled, just wasn't passionate like Robb, or even Oberyn.
They didnt forget the history. Arya and Sansa talked about Ned after they killed Littlefinger and specifically said they missed him. Jon also brought up Ned whilst they were all at the dragonpit in episode 1 of season 8. It was made very obvious even in the show that Ned still had a massive impact on all of his family member who still lived and that they all loved and missed him dearly. At least show wise, it seemed to be Arya who loved, admired and missed him the most, even though in some ways she was the least like him. Arya never had Ned’s sense of honor and was always more pragmatic. As for they never thought of revenge, are you kidding? Arya was completely consumed by her thirst for revenge and killed all the men in the Frey family for that.
George is the only man who could weave these intricate plots and characters together. I loved the complexity and the world and if I could one day write something even a tenth as interesting as ASOIAF I'll die happy.
And given Jaime Lannister reputation as a swordsman and fighter, that line that make Robb looks more badass and amazing across Westeros. But knowing the truth, Robb hit them before they could react, but that show he's a great tactician and strategist.
Rob Stark was hands down the best part of the show. He should've been king just out of sher will. He was thrown into a situation where he had to lead. He did that. Captured the kingslayer, out smarted tywin and raised a massive army. I hated seeing him go. Especially like that
Long before I had even watched Game of Thrones, I had seen videos online of fan reactions to a specific Game of Thrones episode. Their reactions were essentially shock, horror, dismay, and tears. I didn't know it at the time but that episode was The Red Wedding. I knew it the very moment that I witnessed that very same episode. It was devastating.
I'm not really someone who really cares about reading, but back in May I watched every episode of Game of Thrones for the first time and even though I hated Season 8, didn't care for Season 7 too much, and thought Season 6 was just good and not amazing like the first 5 seasons (I still like Season 6 and some moments from 7 and 8) I became so obsessed with it that I started reading the books. I started reading A Game of Thrones in June, but since I still wasn't completely invested in it I didn't finish it till August. A Clash of Kings oy took me a month to read, A Storm of Swords took me only two weeks, A Feast for Crows took three weeks, and I am almost halfway through A Dance with Dragons. Amazing series.
Thats the way to do it !!! I love the books!!! Its ashamed that in season 8, nobody REFLECTED on the old characters from the earlier seasons, the characters seemed so empty!
@@danielde7542 James II of Scotland is not the same James II of England. James II of England is James VII of Scotland, as James VI of Scotland was the first Scottish King of England (James I). His true name was James I and VI of England and Scotland as was James II and VII of England and Scotland.
I feel you there. 6th time, or whatever. I'm not counting. It's like rereading Lord of the Rings. If I'd kept count, it would be up in the "Incurably Nerdy" range.
@@manofhonor1685 I was talking about *spoilers* their tragic end. Both try to do what they think is right and fail. In any other story they would be the triumphant heroes but Martin makes them tragic figures.
HindsightPOV I always thought that if u didn’t know it it wouldn’t be so bad. Like since they didn’t know any better they thought they had it well. Imagine in 400 years from now what they will say “how did they live without *invention* in the year 2020???”
Robb was one of the few i hated to see die… Robb, Danny, Ned, The Dorne dude Oberyn, n a few more deaths were truly devastating.. Robb’s being one of em.
As someone who was bored to death by the idea of midevial settings- especially with magic (I'm all about futuristic sci-fi)- ASoIAF really struck me because of how interwined it was with not just human history but humanity itself. I found this insight very fascinating because of it.
@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 None of them are. The first one is really good. The second two are okay, and then the whole thing falls apart with occasional good chapters.
From someone who never read the books at this point, the red wedding was the most(and still is) shocking thing I have ever seen from any TV show or movie. I actually couldnt believe it, I didn't say a word for about a hour afterwards.
Robb Stark reminds me a lot of Carolus rex, a Swedish king who ascended to the throne at the age of 15, he fought against Russia and Prussia and beat them again and again, outnumbered most of the time, through stragetty, but eventually still lost the war and his life at the age of 36 despite winning most of the battles. Just like Robb they both came from nation up in the north.
@@mr.k418 Sansa gets better for me in season 6 to then point where she’s pretty cool. I really enjoyed Arya’s character all through the show but I don’t think we got enough time with Bran to really like him much
I’d like to think Robb would have been happy to see Jon take the throne, but disappointed he lost it to Dany. Robb was the better king, he had been poised to lead his entire life and understood what it meant. His leadership moment came at a bad time as he was angry over the death of his father. I think Jon and Robb would have been unstoppable together, Robb being a great king and Jon being in charge of the army.
When I was in the Army during the early 2010s we had a Campbell and a MacDonald posted to the same unit. After the very first roll call they were involved in a fight broke out between them. They beat each other bloody. After they sorted that out, they became the best of friends and would not tolerate anyone else insulting the other. "I can talk about that bastard as I please, you will not."
The character I prefer in all this story. His team with the Blackfish made Westeros shake against all odds. If Theon didn't failed him, provoking the chain of events that made him fall for Jeyne Westerling, who knows what he would have made...
Really good video & very informative. However, when you refer to James II of Scotland you actually show a picture of James VII of Scotland, who also reigned as James II of England.
Lancaster is my home town to know that the war of the roses a story my grandparents tell all the time, and many other British events over decades inspired one if not the greatest book/TV series ever!!
Another historic event which maybe didn't inspire the Red Wedding but certainly is a lot similar is the Stockholm Bloodbath of 1520. After the Danish king Christian II (in Sweden known as Christian the Tyrant) has successfully conquered all of Sweden including the Capitol of Stockholm (although it was not the *official* capitol but still the largest and most important city in the country) he invited all of the noblemen, bishops and lords to Stockholm being totally forgiven for fighting against the Danish king. Almost all of the noblemen came to this feast which lasted for three days, on the fourth night the city gates were sealed and the Danish soldiers arrested all of the Swedish lords and ladies, during the next few days at the square in todays Old Town a good one hundred people were executed for "heresy" but mainly treason.
The black Douglas was one of Robert the Bruce’s most trusted friends on the battle field and even carried Roberts heart too many battles after his death in a metal box up until where he met his demise in Spain
A man in dark armor and a pale pink cloak spotted with blood stepped up to Robb. "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." He thrust his longsword through her son's heart, and twisted.
2:18, pretty sure that's a portrait of James II of England, Ireland and in Scotland he was called Jame's VII, who lived in the 1600s 1440. The numbering for kings names James is different in England and Scotland because James VI of Scotland separately became king of England and Ireland, but for those was styled the first because England hasn't had a king called James yet.
Looking at English legends and myths, (I know that Robb is based on both the real Marquis of Montrose & young Edward IV), I sometimes wonder if his story parallels Robin Hood. It was GreatJon Umber that first got me thinking about this (wondering both at his name sounding like an invert of Little John & his son SmallJon Umber), but then I began to think about other aspects of Robin Hood's story - he ambushes and surprises his enemies, he fights against an unjust ruler (Prince/King John) and is literally bled to death by someone holding an old grudge against his family (in Robin's case, a nun from a family disinherited by his father [?]). Does this seem like a plausible theory to anybody?
Robb was so young that he didn't even realize they were playing the Lannister music
Marcus LosGreat now the rains weep o’er his hall,
and not a soul to hear
His mother did though
@@anshumaanpurohit6707 Catelyn had a spider sense in the moment, by the way it was described you wouldnt suspect a thing, she only felt wrong that the dining hall was getting empty and only a few key people left behind. It was some intense writin
Valter M.K. Book catelyn or tv catelyn cuz tv catelyn knew shit was wrong the second her brother left and the doors where shut if I was her I would have been like catelyn out.
KK and sims 4 in the show she was a tad confused when the doors closed but it was the rains of Castamere that really set her off
“Call the banners” always gives me goosebumps
@Captain Levi mAh qUuEn.
@Captain Levi I feel stupid asf right now. I spelled queen hella wrong.
They killed your shit George. They are asshole and bitches.
We enjoyed the story until it mattered.
What a goddamn fucking shame.
J DP yes sir
100%!!!
Ironically in the books he married her because he had sex with her while he was grieving. And married her for honor not love.
and it wasnt *her* but an actual noble lady... appart that their house was poor.
@@hugos5114 I remember Catelyn's response to hearing the name westerling. "Has he managed to turn Tywins bannerman against him?" I don't understand why they changed it, in the show he acted like a child. In the books he did it to be honorable. He wasn't even truly in love with her.
@@craves7215 But it still was the syupidest tbing he could do. He lost a good portion of his army.
But the real reason he couls not prevail was Edmund Tully's vanguard that prevented Tywin to pass
@@subutaynoyan5372 The biggest consequence of Edmure failing was Stannis losing in kings landing. It was still a massive failure but it was alot more reasonable and mature than it was portrayed in the show.
@@craves7215 Well, yes and no. Edmure was still petty and a bit dumb in the books. They just didn't portray the gravity of his interception of Tywin's army
Key takeaways:
-History, like the G.R.R.M Reaper, loves a good murder plot.
-Don’t eat at McDonald’s
Actually hes saying Macdonald
@@Joey-fb7wn McDonald's - MacDonald's. Tomato-tomato.
Well, nothing good comes from McDonald's to begin with.
Its sad that in season 8, nobody REFLECTED or thought about the old characters from the earlier seasons. If Arya wouldve sat and talked about Syrio Forrel and Yoren, if Sansa talked about Baelish or Joffrey, if Jon talked about Robb or Ygritte !!! THE LISTS GO ON. The characters just seemed so empty. The ONLY GOOD SCENE i really enjoyed in season 8 was when Podrick started to sing.
That's a very agreeable statement, my friend. I even imagine how bad the characters from the earlier seasons like Robb, Catelyn, Oberyn, or Tywin if they were in Season 8.
It feels like, there's more dialogue in any one episode of season 1 than in all episodes of season 8 combined. But hurray, we got to see a bunch of characters slowly walking from one location to another in complete silence instead.
@@zacky6533 Season 8: plot>story
the only season 8 scene I liked is when Jaime knighted Brienne... it was classy
Episode 2 was the best episode of the season and was not written by D&D.
I feel kinda sad for him. He was like young, romantic hero - betrayed by his allies. Yet he never came back for justice. Died helplessly, holding his dieing wife withering in pain for their child yet to born. And even his corpse was mutilated, not even offered a barest spec of respect. George set him up to fail - he rose too high too fast and couldn't survive the fall. Perished in the lust for revenge and the cruel ambitions.
Except in the books his wife didn’t die
@@210SAi Does that really matter? Unless she gave birth to his son who might, someday after the ice-zombies attck, takes some revenge.....that is pretty far-fetched. But both is books and show, his entire life after Ned left was a tragedy. Just some victories here and there that didn't even matter in the end.
Sujay Sannyamath does what really matter? You state his wife died in his arms. If you’ve read the books you know this is not true and per GRRM, Rob’s wife will appear in future books.
@@210SAiGuess my point was not made clear. His wife dieing in his arms adds an extra layer to the tragedy. But would you deny that in the books, where it didn't happen, it was any less of a massacre? I am talking about Robb Stark's rise and fall here. Regardless of his wife's situation, his life came to an abrupt and gruesome end.
Well. Remember that dialogue of cersie.
When you play a game of thrones either you win or die. There's no middle ground.
That's robb fate.
He win and when he lose he die.
KING IN THE NORTH !!!
Da king of da Norf!!
Kvothe in the North
The king who lost the north 💀 👻
Easily my favorite scene in the show
Oh...GOT was so good...in the beginning.
Wade read the books, the show doesn’t hold a candle to it. especially not after s4.
@@youri7229 Kinda agree; kinda don't. There are indeed some things the books handled better than the show (of coruse). But there are also things the show handled better than the books. The Red Wedding, for instance.
@@youri7229 I did read the books. I don't think Georgie is ever going to finish the last two, however. And...Jon is Ned's son. There's no doubt in my mind after re-reading the books.
な6IXLXRD while i agree the show has done some things much better; f.e. More white walker stuff and Oberyn Martell is a much better character, i think the red wedding is one of the shows major fuck ups honestly. Changing Robb’s reason for not marrying the frey girl from keeping the honour of the girl he laid with in a moment of weakness to TrUe LoVe was a small, but really stupid decision. Makes Robb look like an egoistic prick.
first 6 seasons were amazing for me. wish 7 and 8 didnt exist.
Robb is one of those characters who never fail to amaze me, his parts are so good to read and watch
One of the best characters, it's a damn shame we lost him so early. He was a way better King than Jon.
Taimoor Shah He looked the part more and was just as great as Jon. Robb was probably better at coordinating battles, where Jon was probably a tiny bit of a better fighter. Season 1-5 Jon I think is as good if not better than Robb, but Robb is waaaaaay better than Jon in seasons 7-8zz
@@bobross4616 They were both amazing characters (season 1-4, Jon got butchered later), but Jon was such a genuine person which was really rare in this universe
@@Ftreptp True. The best people in the world of GoT were easily Jon and Ned Stark. Even though Robb is up there, I still don't think Ned nor Jon would've done some of his battle tactics with "sending 1000 men to their graves", and Ned wouldn't have broken his promise to the Frays. Jon probably would've, especially when he broke his vow to the Night's watch. Actually, I forgot about Podrick, Mormont (the previous commander of the Night's Watch), are tied with Ned Stark. I wanted to mention Davos, but the things he would've done for Stannis makes him lose points.
Bob ross Jon did not break his promise to the night watch. He died so his watch ended.
@@felixcervantes7556 Huh? No, he broke his promise with the wildling Ygritte, you don't remember? He was still a brother at that time..
My wife when dinner is ready and she want me to go get the kids: ”Call the banners!”
I know you are married to her but marry her again!!
Emotion grips me seeing back Robb and reviving the beginning of this great story. Really saddening to see how things went from there...
I REALLY wish robb had lived to take Casterly Rock...that would have been awesome
Robb playing rains of castamere while he beheads the lannisters would be perfect
there was literally no way he could have taken it. Tywin would have arrived back at CR and then the CR army would have also attacked robb's camp
In the books he never plans to take casterly rock. His plan is to comeback to winterfell
@@motorhh literally. They'd be forced to siege the rock which could take YEARS. 🤣 Then Tywin has a perfect opportunity to be the hammer while The Rock is the anvil.
You would not think this if you knew what Casterly rock is.
I always found that comment Roose Bolton made funny, “he ignored my advice at every turn.”
If he listened to his advice he would have lost every battle rather than won them all.
100%
“He ignored my advice”
...is that why he kept winning? I’m sorry- when did Roose get involved with the Lannister’s, exactly?
The moment he was given command of the infantry.
When Jaime was released by catelyn, a while later him and brienne end up at harrenhal were he talks with roose and roose says give tywin his regards and Jaime replies "only if you give mine to Robb stark"
iHomelessMonkey that’s not what they said in the show... maybe in the books if that’s what you’re talking about
@@iHomelessMonkey exactly. In the moment thar Bolton takes position in Harrenhal he is allready a Lannister player.
@@Gawlakman forget the show man it doesn't make any sense
Robb Stark was always my favorite CHARACTER because I wanted him to avenge his father and destroy the Lannisters and become even more loved than Robert Baratheon.....well a guy can wish right.
My sentiments exactly, he will always be my favorite in this story.....
well if it makes you feel better, the real robb stark, (edward IV) did all of that
He could've if he bent the knee to Stannis way back.
@@caelgrant2903 Well...it seems to me that early Edward IV is represented by Robb Stark, but *late* Edward IV is Robert Baratheon. Edward IV's reign was peaceful, but peaceful in the way Bobby B's was (waiting for the shoe to drop)
Same
“They stayed overnight at McDonald’s”
Me, half listening: wow McDonald’s is older than even they thought
B B
Sir Ronald of House McDonald 🤴 👑
Cody Mathes IM SCREAMING
@@slenderman2741 no, you're not. You laughed a bit and then were quiet while you typed that comment and posted it.
John Rankin oh thanks mind reader, good to know you know more about me than myself!
@@slenderman2741 great, but we both know that I was right
George RR Martian is a legend, ive read a lot of books, his writing is just a different type of trance.
Yup. His was the first book that i was able to read for three hours straight
Yea he's really out of this world!!
I wonder who else will notice that lol
indeed, my favourite books by far
Only a martian can write such great stories
"The red wedding" these three words man... Always make me sad...
In season 8 , Arya Sansa Jon . They just got their home back but never thought of revenge. In season 8 everybody forgot the history. Ned stark , tywin , baratheon , robb everything for nothing.
The north kinda forgot about the Lannisters and Freys.
Their will come a day in every man's life where he must choose.
-Aemon Targaryen.
They didn't forget. Arya got revenge on the freys, the Lannisters were defeated by the north army (that's some pretty big fuck you revenge), and tywin was already dead so what could they do? And the boltons along with the Lords of Umber and Karstark were killed. D&D did a very crappy job at telling the story, no doubt. But their revenge was fulfilled, just wasn't passionate like Robb, or even Oberyn.
@@MrKane-vx6qu the Freys were killed by Arya lol
Arya literally killed the whole Frey line of men because she wanted revenge??? It’s in the opening episode
They didnt forget the history.
Arya and Sansa talked about Ned after they killed Littlefinger and specifically said they missed him.
Jon also brought up Ned whilst they were all at the dragonpit in episode 1 of season 8.
It was made very obvious even in the show that Ned still had a massive impact on all of his family member who still lived and that they all loved and missed him dearly.
At least show wise, it seemed to be Arya who loved, admired and missed him the most, even though in some ways she was the least like him. Arya never had Ned’s sense of honor and was always more pragmatic.
As for they never thought of revenge, are you kidding? Arya was completely consumed by her thirst for revenge and killed all the men in the Frey family for that.
Robb was my favorite character, wish he was a main character with his own POV chapters in the books
the red wedding scene where caitlyn realizes whats going on was one of the most brilliant scenes ever
I love George's historical references for his Game of Thrones books.
George is the only man who could weave these intricate plots and characters together. I loved the complexity and the world and if I could one day write something even a tenth as interesting as ASOIAF I'll die happy.
same
“Boy Lords are the bane of any house” - Roose
“Defeated in the Whispering Wood by the Young Wolf Robb Stark during the War of the Five Kings.”
- Jaime Lannister
And given Jaime Lannister reputation as a swordsman and fighter, that line that make Robb looks more badass and amazing across Westeros.
But knowing the truth, Robb hit them before they could react, but that show he's a great tactician and strategist.
Q: How do you get ideas like the brutality of the red wedding?
A: History
There sits the only King I mean to bow my knee to, M'Lords, The King in The North!
Brandon Davis the kingmaker the great Jon
Bend*
That's why Robb died. If he didn't make Robb king, Robb would've joined with Stannis.
THERE SITS THE ONLY KING I MEAN TO BEND MY KNEE TO.
THE KING IN THE NORTH!
Fatal mistake
Should've backed Stannis
The king in the Norff!!
Rob Stark was hands down the best part of the show. He should've been king just out of sher will. He was thrown into a situation where he had to lead. He did that. Captured the kingslayer, out smarted tywin and raised a massive army. I hated seeing him go. Especially like that
Long before I had even watched Game of Thrones, I had seen videos online of fan reactions to a specific Game of Thrones episode. Their reactions were essentially shock, horror, dismay, and tears. I didn't know it at the time but that episode was The Red Wedding. I knew it the very moment that I witnessed that very same episode. It was devastating.
I'm not really someone who really cares about reading, but back in May I watched every episode of Game of Thrones for the first time and even though I hated Season 8, didn't care for Season 7 too much, and thought Season 6 was just good and not amazing like the first 5 seasons (I still like Season 6 and some moments from 7 and 8) I became so obsessed with it that I started reading the books.
I started reading A Game of Thrones in June, but since I still wasn't completely invested in it I didn't finish it till August. A Clash of Kings oy took me a month to read, A Storm of Swords took me only two weeks, A Feast for Crows took three weeks, and I am almost halfway through A Dance with Dragons. Amazing series.
Thats the way to do it !!! I love the books!!! Its ashamed that in season 8, nobody REFLECTED on the old characters from the earlier seasons, the characters seemed so empty!
Go watch season 5 again. it SUCKS!
@@MrTheChamplol no it doesn't. The only thing that sucks about it is the retarded Dorne storyline. The rest of the season was good.
I still hate Bran even after reading the books. Dude should've died when Jamie pushed him out the window.
I love seeing people get into reading.
robb is definitley going down one of the best a song of ice and fire characters
Scottish history is just so gritty and full of betrayal, I love it.
their is a pub in the Lochaber area of the highlands that has a mat at the front door that says no dogs , no Campbells allowed
The picture of James II is incorrect. It is of James VII not James II. The confusion arises from the fact that James VII was also James II of England.
Ah good, I thought I realized this, that that portrait of a late medieval king looks rather early modern 😂😂
so dumb, I noticed that as well, I was like there's no way that's a painting of an early 15th century king
Jon and Daenerys probably could have definitely used Robb's genius tacticial abilities at the Battle of Winterfell
'James II of Scotland' *shows picture of James VII.*
Sociobiologist I caught that too, that was pretty confusing.
Indeed, just because he was James II of England, does not make him James II of Scotland?!?!
@@danielde7542 James II of Scotland is not the same James II of England. James II of England is James VII of Scotland, as James VI of Scotland was the first Scottish King of England (James I). His true name was James I and VI of England and Scotland as was James II and VII of England and Scotland.
@@VeriganXO GODS so many James, but thanks for the info
Watching this brings the desire to reread the books, again. For the 6th time. :)
I feel you there. 6th time, or whatever. I'm not counting. It's like rereading Lord of the Rings. If I'd kept count, it would be up in the "Incurably Nerdy" range.
I just finished reading Dance and man did Quentyn Martell remind me of Robb. Both awesome characters of course.
Quentyn seems more unsure of himself but I see some similarities there
@@manofhonor1685 I was talking about *spoilers* their tragic end. Both try to do what they think is right and fail.
In any other story they would be the triumphant heroes but Martin makes them tragic figures.
Toasty! 😭
Roasted
Preston Jacobs theorized he is alive. His remaining companoins acted weird and all.
I love everything medieval 🤙🏾
Could you live without indoor plumbing? I went camping once. Don’t think I can do it again.
YOU NICK me too. I love history
You mean you love fantasy
HindsightPOV I always thought that if u didn’t know it it wouldn’t be so bad. Like since they didn’t know any better they thought they had it well. Imagine in 400 years from now what they will say “how did they live without *invention* in the year 2020???”
@@huntermaurice1562 Honestly idk how we can live without *invention* honestly.
My favorite character in the series. Was so sad to see him go so soon, wanted to see a lot more of him. :'(
Robb was one of the few i hated to see die… Robb, Danny, Ned, The Dorne dude Oberyn, n a few more deaths were truly devastating.. Robb’s being one of em.
Wow this video is 3 yrs old? And less than 10 comments? Edward IV was inspiration for Robb? 😮
If his mother didn't duck him over by releasing jaime then maybe Robb would have won
Catelyn hearing the 'The Rains of Castamere' is powerful... she knows what's coming but poor Robb doesn't have a clue!
I never get how hard I wanted to cry during the red wedding
Robb was my favorite character in the whole show
As someone who was bored to death by the idea of midevial settings- especially with magic (I'm all about futuristic sci-fi)- ASoIAF really struck me because of how interwined it was with not just human history but humanity itself. I found this insight very fascinating because of it.
When the red wedding happened in the books I was like oof
Smokin’ gun Studios that’s it?
Angad Singh oof
My god I can’t believe there are people who have never seen this show
George R.R. Martin is one of the best writers of all time. The way he take so many inspirations from history is just ugh 😩😩.
Ikr
He wrote one good book and completely lost the thread on his series.
@@alphanerd7221 All of the books are great
@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 None of them are. The first one is really good. The second two are okay, and then the whole thing falls apart with occasional good chapters.
@@alphanerd7221 Nah
From someone who never read the books at this point, the red wedding was the most(and still is) shocking thing I have ever seen from any TV show or movie. I actually couldnt believe it, I didn't say a word for about a hour afterwards.
The only thing that pissed Roose Bolton off more than Robb ignoring him at every turn was Robb winning every time he did too.
I can’t stop watching his interviews, he has the most likable personality I’ve seem
Remember when game of thrones was good? Pepperidge farm remembers
Arch Enemy 🤣👍
Arch Enemy old meme but okay
@@nicholasloremann4741 *classic meme. Besides Robb stark died like 7 years ago
Arch Enemy I know, but the usage of pepperidge farm for this is rather strange when there are other memes to use for it.
@@nicholasloremann4741 😆 feel free to use one of said memes in your own comment
In the book , i love when Robb Stark tell his mother he want John to succeed him if he die on the battlefield
Robb is my favorite character, followed by Ned
Me too, Ned, Robb and for me the third place is Theon. He has by far one of the best Story arcs in my opinion
Robb Stark reminds me a lot of Carolus rex, a Swedish king who ascended to the throne at the age of 15, he fought against Russia and Prussia and beat them again and again, outnumbered most of the time, through stragetty, but eventually still lost the war and his life at the age of 36 despite winning most of the battles. Just like Robb they both came from nation up in the north.
Me and my boyfriend are planning on, when we marry, to play The Rains of Castamere during the celebrations. Just for laughs tbh XD
My brother had this song play in his wedding, it’s so worth it I hope you get to play it in your wedding
you should have the band members pull out nerf crossbows and shoot everyone when they do this.
George looks exactly like what an author should look like and I don’t know how to explain that
Robb was the only Stark I could stand, and when he died, I think a little of my faith in the show/books went with it lmaoo
Jon’s another one I like, but Sansa’s the absolute worst. Arya and Bran became awful, and Rickon was just a child.
@@mr.k418 show or books?
I just want to see how Rickon turns out in the book.
@@mr.k418 Sansa gets better for me in season 6 to then point where she’s pretty cool. I really enjoyed Arya’s character all through the show but I don’t think we got enough time with Bran to really like him much
I’d like to think Robb would have been happy to see Jon take the throne, but disappointed he lost it to Dany. Robb was the better king, he had been poised to lead his entire life and understood what it meant. His leadership moment came at a bad time as he was angry over the death of his father.
I think Jon and Robb would have been unstoppable together, Robb being a great king and Jon being in charge of the army.
When I was in the Army during the early 2010s we had a Campbell and a MacDonald posted to the same unit. After the very first roll call they were involved in a fight broke out between them. They beat each other bloody. After they sorted that out, they became the best of friends and would not tolerate anyone else insulting the other.
"I can talk about that bastard as I please, you will not."
this show was so good it's so sad what happened to it
The character I prefer in all this story. His team with the Blackfish made Westeros shake against all odds. If Theon didn't failed him, provoking the chain of events that made him fall for Jeyne Westerling, who knows what he would have made...
My favorite Character on the series.
I never get tired of hearing the king in the north gets me hype everytime
The inspiration for Robb Stark was the red shirts in Star Trek.
Red shirts means they have no name and no personalities. They're just extras. So, no.
Season 1-4 and arguably 5 and 6 were fantastic.
Yh I’d say 5 and 6 are still amazing
But 7 and 8 fuck me what a shambles
Grrm accent is the best.. I adore him when he speaks.. I already watched all his interviews😌💯
2:17 that's James II of England/ VII of Scotland.
James II of Scotland was different.
Well spotted
I like how they include the scene where a random guy just brings out a tray of bread and salt, right at the doorstep.
Favorite character🐺
Man this show was so good for half a decade.
Really good video & very informative.
However, when you refer to James II of Scotland you actually show a picture of James VII of Scotland, who also reigned as James II of England.
Rob stark was a Badass I wish he would have stayed around longer
Not sure how I feel about my country’s history being so bloody that it was the baseline for one of the most brutal shows of all time.
He’s my KING IN THE NORTH 🤴🏻🐺
The picture meant to show James II of Scotland actually shows James II of England (aka James VII of Scotland).
Lancaster is my home town to know that the war of the roses a story my grandparents tell all the time, and many other British events over decades inspired one if not the greatest book/TV series ever!!
Red wedding was the only time I put a book down out of grief
Another historic event which maybe didn't inspire the Red Wedding but certainly is a lot similar is the Stockholm Bloodbath of 1520. After the Danish king Christian II (in Sweden known as Christian the Tyrant) has successfully conquered all of Sweden including the Capitol of Stockholm (although it was not the *official* capitol but still the largest and most important city in the country) he invited all of the noblemen, bishops and lords to Stockholm being totally forgiven for fighting against the Danish king. Almost all of the noblemen came to this feast which lasted for three days, on the fourth night the city gates were sealed and the Danish soldiers arrested all of the Swedish lords and ladies, during the next few days at the square in todays Old Town a good one hundred people were executed for "heresy" but mainly treason.
im just amazed at what George sounds like, idk i just though it be deeper.
Robb was my hero best character in the show as well as stannis
If only Dave and Dan knew any history.
The black Douglas was one of Robert the Bruce’s most trusted friends on the battle field and even carried Roberts heart too many battles after his death in a metal box up until where he met his demise in Spain
Edward 4th is my favorite historical figure, loved Rob too
Robb is so gorgeous 🤩😍
A man in dark armor and a pale pink cloak spotted with blood stepped up to Robb. "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." He thrust his longsword through her son's heart, and twisted.
I descend from the MacDonald family that George brought up as the inspiration for the Red Wedding. Actually cool that he wrote about that. 3:00
Gods be good
SEVEN HELLS!
May the others take you!
2:18, pretty sure that's a portrait of James II of England, Ireland and in Scotland he was called Jame's VII, who lived in the 1600s 1440. The numbering for kings names James is different in England and Scotland because James VI of Scotland separately became king of England and Ireland, but for those was styled the first because England hasn't had a king called James yet.
"The king in the North" love to hear it
Is this from a documentary? I'd love to see the full thing 👌
Its funny when you think about it, Tywin didnt even need to do anything. Robb destroyed himself
3:50 in the book this scene takes place on top of The Wall. Why the hell didn't they keep that in the TV series?
Looking at English legends and myths, (I know that Robb is based on both the real Marquis of Montrose & young Edward IV), I sometimes wonder if his story parallels Robin Hood.
It was GreatJon Umber that first got me thinking about this (wondering both at his name sounding like an invert of Little John & his son SmallJon Umber), but then I began to think about other aspects of Robin Hood's story - he ambushes and surprises his enemies, he fights against an unjust ruler (Prince/King John) and is literally bled to death by someone holding an old grudge against his family (in Robin's case, a nun from a family disinherited by his father [?]).
Does this seem like a plausible theory to anybody?
01:56 that reminds me to a saying native of my homecountry:
"the reality is far worse than fiction"
"The Campbells came to Glencoe, which was a McDonald town..."
Campbells: This is a soup town now, Burger Boys!
The red wedding sounds a lot like the blood bath of Stockholm