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Man, this is like a journey back to my summer/fall. Taped my knee for a while, went through physical therapy, then after a 10K, discovered I had a torn meniscus/ grade 3 arthritis. Had arthroscopic surgery November 6th. It has been 6 weeks, back to walking and running 3 miles. 🙏 Of course, unlike Seth, I am 60 years old. 😎
I used one of those knee straps when I had runner's knee earlier this year. I only used it a few times because the knee issue cleared up quickly as I was doing daily knee/hip strengthening exercises. Hope yours clears up just as quickly!
Hey seth this is Nigel fernandes from India. Thank you so much for this amazing you tube channel. I'm a marathon runner my self. Even I have suffered from runners knee and took professional medical help to heal and recover. I hope you recover well and soon. God bless you and your lovely family. Keep running, your an inspiration to all.
With your dedication and work ethic, PT will work extremely well for you. Charge on Seth!!!
2008 I get knee problems at trying to increase my stride length. On Running Analyse with my shoes with 12mm drop the pro showed me, how I break my hole weight with my knee, because the high drop made the earth contact in front of my body center. Bearfoot it was good. After that I changed to shoes with 0mm to 6mm drop. They make the contact right under my body center. The pro adwised also: Short front, long back!" At the beginning my calfs get tired early. Now I am O.K. with less drop. I also make 2 times a week weight/resistance training.
Thanks Mehmet for sharing your experience.
@@SethJamesDeMoor How can I send You pictures from the running analyse?
QD: totally a 1! Yes, I’m “that guy” that never takes ibuprofen, never goes to the doctor, never seeks medical advice, always tries to “bull” my way through...
I was not always a 1 but have never been better than a 3.
Hey Seth, I have knee pain like you as well. Skipped running immediatly... except... I did a 3 000 m @ 9.34 yesterday ... Not the best maybe, but no pain, which is a good sign! Just finished 75 min on the CT, will be doing 0 running for a few days. Being healthy for a year is more important than a few days off .
Blixten that’s a movin 3k!
9:34/mile pace for 3K, or 9:34 time (5:08/mile pace)?
@@1519Spring 9 min and 34 sec for the 3 k, so about 3.10 per km. The second of your options.
When the knee is better mabye you can start doing pistol squats, a good way to isolate each leg for strength training! Again another great vlog Seth, You got this!
Holy crap those are tough!
Pistol squats are so hard but so useful. I've used them to come back from a couple of patellar sublexations and to strengthen to overcome ITBS. They're the real deal.
I have NEVER in my life met or even seen anyone else put hot sauce on their salad like me....I thought I was alone in this world..thank you
Always struggled with knee issues, even run with pain at times🤓
Taping has helped me a lot with supporting the joint and in recovery
Get well Seth, never give up
Trust the experts! Really cool stuff from the PT. I’m also around a 3 in asking for help. I need to be better. You’re on your way to that 219, Seth. Trust the process. Onward and upward!
QD: 5. I have had 2 knee sureries and a low back injury when hit by a car. I have done a lot of PT/massage and know the benefits their knowledge brings.
I’m not a physical therapist. I have had knee pain in the past, worn a patella strap for 30 years. This from a car accident I was in 1980. So, finally I began taking post-run and off-day foam rolling seriously. More recently I have also included a weekly muscle floss regimen beginning with feet and ankles to calves and shins to muscle connections around the knee (but not the knee itself), to thighs and ending just below glutes. Each section involves weightless and then body-weight bearing motion exercises: ankle rotating, calf raises, band work, air squats etc. I hate it, dread it, but it works soooo nicely.
As for rolling, I use the aggressive “rumble roller.” I do not roll directly on my IT band. I also do not do weighted exercises that isolate my IT band.
But my rolling technique involves actual joint movement and sideways grinding when the roller teeth are positioned to disrupt the tissue adhesions with opposing muscle movement. This rather than simply passing the legs over the roller.
So now I have a drawer full of patella straps taking up space. Maybe it’s time to toss them.
I’m writing this because through my own experience I think your knee pain might just be due to an adhesion(s) somewhere in the muscle linkage that isn’t being disrupted by your exercise/recovery regimen.
Some of Duke Chiropractic’s videos might be helpful.
Wow Peter thank you. This is a great comment. I’ll update you again tomorrow in the vlog. The pain is beginning to shift.
QD: It depends :). When I first noticed PFPS, I went to the doctor right away. I was x-rayed, and MRI showed nothing but sent to PT. I did my PT diligently and was exited out. This was 12 years ago. I still had knee pain, very severe at around 3 miles. I called my knees "3-mile knees". I had previously finished 3 marathons, sprint distance triathlons, and a 55 miler as well as various 10 milers and half marathons. The 3-mile knee was very depressing. I gave up running. About 4 years ago, I started running 1 day a week, in addition to all my other exercise that is nonrunning. My knees were tolerating it and went up to 2 days. It was a yo-yo like that for a few years. Running, too much knee pain, giving up. I discovered Kelly Starret and began foam rolling and couch stretching. I started a couch to 5k app. I have been running almost daily for a year now. I still build up some knee pain but can walk it off at regular intervals. I recently had my knees MRI again, and no damage is being shown weird!. Along this journey, I have had to be patient as the bottom of my feet toughen up, and my hip flexors strengthen. It would be ever so lovely if the foam rolling and PT and 4 x at the gym per week would finally pay off and eliminate my knee pain for good. Good luck to you, Seth! Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I used a knee strap years ago for a similar issue. It applied a small amount of pressure on the tendon and was THE ONLY quick fix of my running career. I recommend them to those that suffer all the time. Helped get me to the finish line for a 2:26. Good luck!
Qd: i'm about a 3 on asking help as well Seth. Only when it becomes realy worring or hurting i will see a fysio. I'm having very good massage guy who can do dry-needling as well, only when it it needed but time and money is on a budget. Its always big releave when an expert fix you again. Keep going Seth
QD: Asking for help - 0
Helping others - 10
True love is a saint! Mom goals! Wife goals! Positivity goals! Get it gurl!
I really love the vibe and positivity you bring. Not gonna lie though I don't see why having a piece of pizza or two with a big salad is considered so bad or "unhealthy"?
Nick Berkel you don’t see why papa johns is bad?
Ignorance is BLISS
I didn't say that. I simply meant viewing certain foods as "unhealthy" just because you're running or training hard isn't necessarily a healthy way to view food/fuel for your body. Take care ✌️
@@nberkel I understand what you're saying, and that's my thinking as well. However, Seth is probably not feeling that great because he can't run at the moment, and also I imagine when you are training to race at the level he is you have to try to stay on track as much as possible with a meal plan.
All too true. The injury game plays mind tricks constantly :/
Another great vlog! I had a similar issue six weeks out of my first marathon. Ended up seeing a physiotherapist like you because I was so worried. The root of the problem was that my hips were unstable and I had week glutes. The exercises really helped. In a way I think it was my body demanding a rest and I think it made the outcome of my marathon a success as I ran atleast 15 minutes faster than I expected. Hope you will be fine for Houston!!!
I did almost the exact exercises for my ITBS earlier this year. Most of the exercises were to strengthen my hip or glutes and then to focus tracking of the patella. I took about 3-4 weeks for things to get better but I continue the exercises to help ward off any further injury. Also have some stretch band exercises that the PT gave me as well. I felt my weakness, especially while lying on my back. Left side was so weak. Keep working and be patient!
Yes i have used i knee strap and it do help ( mcdavid) no downhill and no tarmac.
Positive steps my friend 💗
I’m glad to hear you’re making wise choices. I’m currently taking today and probably tomorrow off in the middle of my training block to give my body some time to rest. I’ve been going hard lately, and the biggest lesson I learned from my October marathon is to listen to body and rest even when I want to get out there and push it more than anything. Honestly I think choosing not to run can be the hardest part of training when you’re a shoe goon like us.
QD: I feel like in a lot of parts of my life I am probably a 2 or a 3 at asking for help. But! After finally going to a PT and asking for help with running I'm now up to probably a 7 or an 8 when it comes to my body and running. I think a lot of that came from the fact that I found an amazing PT and realized how much better I'll be for it in the long run!
I tried the patella tendon strap and it set me back. Made me worse. I would take it back to the store. Exercises and massage to get your patella to track correctly and change the force to relieve stress on tendon is the way to go. Push that patella down and medial and hold for a stretch on quad tendon throughout the day.
My understanding of valgus collapse of the knee (floats in medially during stride, which I believe I noticed in your run) is that the gluteus medius is not firing like it should, so it sounds like you're on the right track. Underuse of left glute is an endemic problem according to the Postural Restoration Institute. I'm currently working with Neal Hallinan, who simplifies their system quite well. Good luck Seth!
Yeah, I'm about a 3 at asking for help but I'm also good at exploring info from UA-cam to find helpful therapy. In this case I also have left leg weakness and now knee issues and prescribed for myself many of the exercises you were shown. And they're working.
Seth, add aqua running to maintain your fitness, a lot of curcumin and massage with a good Arnica sports cream.
I rolled my ankle on November 2 and it swelled up pretty good by 6pm. I ran a 3:38 (62 yo) the next day!
I am a 1 with asking for help.
I am excited to see you run HOUSTON and QUALIFY!!!
I love curcumin! I take it daily as well. It works wonders!
Your support network is amazing.
QOD: I am about a 6 when it comes to asking for help. Gad you’re seeking the advice of the professionals.
Not a runner, but you guys are still inspiring as usual... all because of “making right choices”. :)
I'm a pretty stubborn self-diagnoser and self-treater, so 2 or 3 out of 10. There's a lot of good information available, and if you know how to apply it you can recover well, though there is no better remedy than rest. Now if it doesn't improve or it's a more serious injury, I'll definitely seek the advice of an expert. PTs are amazing, every runner should probably find one because sooner or later, you'll need help. Good luck Seth, hope to see you in Houston.
Good to hear you know the cause. QOD: fairly good understanding of my body and effects of running and how to treat it and fixing the causes, but there comes times where I know, it's now time for specialists.
I am in high school and have had two cases of runners knee and the knee strap/patellar tendinitis strap helped relieve the pain and allow me to keep trading a teammate of mine has had the same thing and the strap worked for him as well.
Ankle weights are actually a pretty big risk for delicate hip muscles because of the long lever effect your legs give. I would say elastic bands are all you need..
Love me some Hang /handpan for background music!
The knee strap really helps (try to jog slow wearing those ) along with correct knee strengthening exercise(Gym) and stretching , also apply some ointment . That's how I overcame my two months ITBS knee injury . Good luck Seth
I've have the same issue with my left knee/hip. I use the single strap on my left knee, and it helps immensely, for a 47 year old, mid to back of the packer. As for the QD, I'd say I'm a 2 on asking for help. Good luck with the knee...
The timing of your knee pain may be a blessing: look at it as an opportunity to take a short break from running and enjoy the Christmas season with your wife and kids. Hopefully in a week or so, you'll be cleared to get back to running and resume training for Houston. I wish you all the best in that regard.
QD: I'm an 8-9 for asking for help from Dr. Google/YT or my own research. I'm about a 5-6 for seeking help from a PT or other person/runner friend who is expert. But I'm a 0-1 for going to actual doctors.
Great comment Carl, thanks for sharing about your different variations for asking for help.
Endured exact same situation. Tried such a a strap and knee brace as well. Didn't work. What worked quickly (after 2w up and running pain free) after a physio diagnosed week muscles in my right leg: strenghtening my weak side using a a couple simple exercises with a stretchband. While kept fitness up with hard swim intervals. You'll get through it.
I had the same problem with my knee respectively the patella tendon. Could not run or even walk stairs. What helped me longterm was to avoid running downhill and to change to low drop shoes.Good luck for you!
Seth, I have osgood schlatters in both knees and the patella straps work wonders for the pain. I am able to continue my indoor track season with limited pain
I had the EXACT same experience at my PT earlier this year for the EXACT same knee pain. Turns out my Left hip was 30% of the right hip, and as such was given "homework" to do in terms of incorporating leg/hip resistance exercises into my gym routine. It'll take time that you don't have Seth, like 2 months...
I'm a 10 for asking for help! I was sick with what turned out to be lymes Cardidis. I went in 2 to 3 times a week for almost 3 weeks before I was dying in front of them at the desk. Being taken to another hospital in an ambulance was where they figured if out finally!
I had a knee issue (documented on my channel) but after some focused physio work and taking a small break, i'm now feeling ready to dive headlong into 2020 with a new training plan
I haven't got runners knee but I have the same problem as you seth with one leg being weaker causing issues. But with the strength exercises over the last week my leg feels stronger and less issues when running. Physios are so helpful
Qod: 4/10 don’t reach out enough when I should. Great video keep listening to your body and the experts.
The patellar straps work. Had runner's knee pain in both knees many years back, and the straps allowed me to run mostly pain free, and rehab until I lost some weight and strengthened the quads... wear it well!
Try patella taping! It’s where the tapes the kneecap towards it’s proper place. I had knee pain and it seems to help!
Power and honor Seth, the most intense and large the trainning cicle un the most frecuent and severe are the injuries but you are once of the better and power runner
QD: 3 as well, I'm such a stubborn person. Slowly learning to combat that.
I am a 2 in asking for help. The injuries I run with them with pulls, tibia splints. I kinda unconcious.
QOD: I’m 1 out of 10, maybe because I’m an only child and I always was thought to do everything by myself, Sonos very hard for me to ask for help, I alway try to exhaust all my resources before I start asking.
I hope you heal very fast to resume your training Seth, I know how frustrating it is to deal with an injury, I was our for about a year with PF, but I’m back now.
And Seth thanks you Gave Kudos on two of my Strava runs, that really motivates me!
Hope the rehab is going well! I spy an Advent Wreath!! Looks nice!
Hi Seth, I've found the "Crystal Palace Wrap" to be very effective for pain relief with runners knee. I've recently run a trail/mixed surface half marathon using this technique, but just as you mentioned in this video, the wrap is really just a band aid for the pain. I'm also doing PT and am now realising that strength work in the gym with weights is important for high volume runners. Best of luck with your recovery and training.
Thanks for these vlogs about runner's knee, Seth! They're definitely helping me to understand more about it and what I can do to find the root cause of my injury and how to prevent it in the future. I am a high school runner dealing with my third round of runner's knee in less than a year. Before, I would just take about a month or two off until it got better, then go running again, but now I am going to try to take a more active approach to my injuries instead of just letting them heal. I think it is cool that even through you injuries you are able to stay so positive and help people out with these videos!
Also, I was just wondering if anyone would have any knowledge on this this and if it may be contributing to my injuries: I have noticed that the wear patterns on the outsole of the forefoot of my shoes is different on each shoe. On my right shoe the main wear is about an inch closer to the front of the shoe than the wear spot on the left shoe. It seems that my foot strike is different in both feet. I haven't been able to find any information on this, so any help would be greatly appreciated!
You’re welcome Blair. Thanks for sharing about runner’s knee as well. I hope someone can chime into your questions. Keep at that recovery.
It sounds like you may have a tilted hip, either shifted up slightly on one side or twisted horizontally. Or you may have two different size legs. Or maybe you've built up muscles differently on each side of your body like I did from playing so much tennis when I was still growing.
This may sound odd Seth, but when I had runner’s knee for a few months in highschool I ended up popping my patella on my foam roller on accident. I did that everyday before I ran for almost a year and never had another flare up.
QD: Maaaaan, I was at a zero just 2 years ago. Once I pulled my glute muscle and my groin, I went and saw a PT and never looked back. The PT will always expose your weakness and provide focus to you ultimately reaching your goal. I go once a month now. Just last week, the PT noticed that my right leg was starting to swing out a bit and we are now working on that.
Anyways, keep making questionably good choices and stay healthy 👍
I'm probably about a 3 too, in that I try to find fixes to things myself online most of the time as I'm pretty stingy, going to the physio today at lunch though, need to figure out what's going on with my hip!
Don't worry Seth, I'd be at 2. A lone rider. Greetings from Salzburg/Austria!!!
Love Salzburg, thanks for watching.
Question: 1 and related to my medical background. Diagnose myself and read up about treatment, etc
This week likely grade 1- 2 soleus muscle lt injury. A result of 10km race after high mileage week. Bit too much for my body.
It’s wise to know your limits.
QOD: I would say I'm a Three or four Too independent and stubborn for that. I'll try figuring things out on my own. I love being the mad scientist. Doing my own research and trying new things to get the pain to subside. Always worked this far closing in on one year of running. But I am realistic and know if the pain becomes unmanageable I'd go see a professional.
QD: I'm definitely like a 1-3 for asking for help. I was raised to be fiercely independent and it comes back to bite me in the butt every so often.
Skullers Rowing same.
If I ask for help generally only if death seems like a serious possibility.
Yea I need to work on that. ...
I'm very poor at asking for help as well. I like to think I can figure my body out on my own, I think that's normal for us runners.
Seth I was sceptical of the knee strap but I used it and ran a quality marathon. Issue with it though is that it rubbed really badly on back of my leg and so skin became raw behind knee.
My Mara pb is 2:27
Thanks for the intel.
Welcome from toasty 46F Green Bay!!! There are many things on the market. KT Tape is magic. Also there are a few knee braces to limit how much your knee cap ( floats) doesn't stay in it's groove.
Hi Seth, I'm also experiencing some runners knee pain. Not as bad as you but it doesn't go away easily.. gotta stay strong
QOD: 3 as well. Curious what the hip strength test looks like, can someone link to a video about how to do this?
been following SJD since training for NH Mountain run. Very sorry to hear about the knee! There's info out there that injured tendons need complete rest otherwise the normal tight cross hair pattern of the collagen turns random, scarred and permanent injury.
Seth, knee straps are great for "runner's knee." Be careful with the KT Tape. There is a good bit of evidence that it is only effective in so much that it provides tactile stimulus for you to correct your form. I think it can be a great tool if you know what it is good for and use it insomuch as that.
QD: Like a 3/4 out of 10
I gotta say I am a 3 too... although after watching this I definitely will reach out to experts if i ever need to!
I'm pretty good about asking for help. I have learned over the years with several injuries that it's better to get some advice and address the root of the problem (which is almost always lazy glutes or stiff feet/ankles!) Otherwise it'll just keep manifesting in different ways.
Seth, could you show us all the exercises the PT showed you?
QD: I probably am also around a 2 or 3 in asking for help. I have tried to limp through a speed workout until my coach told me to stop and not run over the weekend. Not injury related, but I didn't even tell my cross country coach and science teacher from the whole previous year that he had been spelling my name wrong until my parents brought me over to him at our post season team potluck.
Asking for help I'm quite fortunate that I'm in the British military and out physiotherapist are amazing. So the moment you get a niggle, it's straight off to get their opinion. So I'd say I'm a 9/10.
I'm regards to runners knee. I had it after the comrades ultra marathon. I also used the single knee strap. But found more benefit it making my hips and glutes strong by consistently doing exercises you have already been doing. Good luck mate
Enjoy Christmas week, Seth you know you will bounce back like the roadrunner. Curious whether your PT Ricky advocates running EVERY day???
I can ask
strapped worked in temporary
for me when i had it, what was happening was my knee was collapsing inward. i was wearing thick cushioned shoes, this made it worst.
i put a strap on knee and strengthening knee and minimal shoes worked. as a reviewer you had it hard because each shoe feels different.
Seth you may want to look at your lower back as most of the nerves stem from the spine. I have the same issue where my left knee was always aching. Pushed threw for weeks, then got a pinched nerve in the lower back. Rehabbing with rest and the knee pain is slowly going away.
@Seth: When I have runners knee, I do the exercise from minute 3:40 for about 20+40 reps every day and it goes away pretty quickly.
QD: I’m probably a 6 regarding asking for help. As I get older, I do believe I’m getting wiser which means not afraid of humbling myself at times
Q: As a Physical Therapist, I feel like I have learned to ask for help from orthopedic / sports PT’s to avoid self diagnosing myself and doing the wrong thing.
Seth “come on” Demoor
Seth, look into rowing for low impact aerobic training while your knee heals up.
Why is everyone literally having this problem now lol. I’m now stuck in the pool for a month. My marathon is in May so hopefully I’ll be fresh by then
No limp! That’s good
Is swimming your preferred crosstraining or do you bike as well?
He mentioned in a recent video that he prefers swimming due to it being assigned as cross training (and specifically said bike wasn't) while Seth was running at CU
In HS, I used to wear a GRID knee brace just like the one Michael Jordan wore...even though I didn’t really have a knee issue 😂
YES 🤣
I visit every week the physiotherapist to keep my body aligned. I have learned that it is key to keep training without injuries. He can touch and see wich muscles are suffering too much stress and cut the pain or anticipate to the pain. He also can suggest me exercise to strength some parts as rik did with you. I do not use rolls as you do, im lazy 😅 1 sesion week as part of my training. (30€ per sesion, it is not big money)
QOD It depends what the issue is; normally about a 2 or 3 but if it's medical I go up to a 9 or a 10 pretty quickly. I've sprouted a ganglion cyst just below my left ankle and am seeing a doctor about it on Monday...it was fine, not giving me any pain or discomfort and wasn't that big but after a 5k run last week it suddenly increased in size and I'm getting some pain lower down my foot. I'm guessing it will end up being drained by syringe rather than cut out, and hopefully sooner rather than later as it's stopping me train. For those old fashioned folk, I'm not going to hit it with a book. That's not the answer.
I also have to go to pt because i went from an average of 8:00 avg per mile to 6:50 everyday
I am 10/10. Yes!
Nice video!!
QOD: Definitely a 0.5 It is a character flaw I really need to work on.
I get it.
KNEE. Get better soon man! I would have to admit that the pizza would be my choice!
Seth, I have used a nylon padded knee band with velcro strips to tighten as needed. They have worked great for me. I never knew about how they are used or why it would make my knee feel that much better until a few years ago. Every once in a while I would experience the tenderness and inflammation. I thought rest and ice were all I needed. I believe the band supports the patella, taking pressure off the tendon. It has allowed me to run and play soccer, when that injury occurred! It is a shock when the pros check out the various flexibility and muscle strength - and there are gross imbalances. You should be able to correct things with some rigorous PT. Are there any Sports Clinics around you. Orthopedics, PT's, OT's -specializing in sports injuries. They are phenomenal.
Definitely I am 2 never ever ask for help I only try to find something hire when I am injury.
I am bad in seeking help if I have an injury but on the other hand I do go to a PT to avoid injury...
Absoulove the knee strap. I use a single strap on both knees. Prior to using, would have constant pain-since using, absolutely no pain, and legs actually feel stronger when running.
QD: I'm probably at a 3/10 when it comes to asking for help. I probably should try to raise that rating because I haven't been on this planet nearly as long as a lot of other people out there, so asking others for help would probably provide me with a lot of benefits!
QOD: asking for help, can't get enough help for data input but I need to make the commitment so I'm probably an 8 or 9.
FWIW Seth, also find a training partner for Houston, even virtual, who has already tried to qualify. If you can trust an expert physio, why wouldn't you trust a runner who has already been to where you aspire to go?!
Used the knee strap. Didn’t help much. The KT tape works better. That and rest. But,
of course, that takes time out from training. Bummer.