WTF Is A Mech?! - Helldivers 2 Mech Explained
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- What is a mech? Is this a Mech or Exosuit? What's the difference? Let's find out!
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If your limbs are in the limbs of the machine, and you are effectively wearing it, it’s an exosuit. If you are in a cockpit and controlling the movement of the limbs via fly-by-wire, and you are driving it, then it’s a mech.
Well than it a mech since if you use third person to look inside you can see two joystick on both side of the seat
Yeah, the Jaegers may get confusing but they're Mechs that you control with an Exo
Exactly.exosuit means it’s like an exoskeleton over your real body.mechs are everything else 🤣
That sounds like power armor to me
Mech: *"Ideal Vehicular Manslaughter"*
Exosuit: *"Fancy way to say Power Armor"*
Mech: Vehicle on legs
Exosuit: Mechanized knight armour
Good definiton.
Plus: Mecha: Vehicle on roller blades loaded with weapons which can beam itself from location to location.
Mechs don't need to have legs, plenty of mechs use tank styles or treads of some sort.
A suit is tight and form fitting, a mech is a vehicle. Power armor in fallout, for example, is an exosuit because it is form fitting
I still find it funny that bethesda couldn't come up with an original or unique pre-existing name for the armor/s so they gave them the generic "power armor" moniker and called it a day.🤣
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly that choice predates Bethesda and it used to be "powered armor" which is just a descriptor.
@@Takkiebos no I mean Bethesda itself didn't give their power armor a name they literally just called it "power armor" with different random letters/numbers to designate model. Like the exoskeletons in edge of tomorrow/all you need is kill are called jackets/yellow jackets and aren't simply referred to as exoskeletons. Or in this video for example the mech is called a liberator or whatever with a separate model number.
@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly Power armor was in fallout when it was made by Interplay. Bethesda didn’t name it.
@@Pillysrule well they retconned a lot of other stuff, I never played The originals but as far as I know Bethesda has never had good continuity with the fallout franchise.
@0:33 "Some would say it all started with Japanese mecha". The irony there is it started with Robert a Heinlein (Star ship troopers written in 1959), Where Drop troopers had Power armor and mechs referred to as Exosuits...... So its kinda the other way around, Heinlein inspired some aspects of Japanese mecha. While it came back full circle in the late 80's with things such as Battletech (mechwarrior), where FASA "borrowed" most of the designs from Japanese manga/mecha (Almost all of the Unseen are Macross mechs). Also not all mechs in the BT universe are piloted. SLDF had AI drone pilot systems, its just lostech coming into the succession wars.
I think they call it an "Exosuit" because when people think mech, they think of this giant damage sponge (which the patriot is not) so they want people to use it in a support role rather than an offensive one.
... I can find no flaw in this reasoning, Armored Walker would also be acceptable
my mental image of it is: Bradley on legs
@@kyosokutai but it's not armored, it has low health but great fire power (greatly limited by ammo)
"do you wear it? SUIT. Do you sit in it? MECH."
For me a mech would be self powered regardless wether it moves like a person or not or size. while an exosuit would be more of an assisted suit etc that helps take the burden off/ lift more/ move faster, but cannot move on its own. kinda like the difference between a full electric bike and a pedal assist that still requires the rider to pedal it.
Well powered exoskeleton and passive one exist , and also requiring movement is not granted , but when comes to "has to have human inside who moves" is also hazy , Ironman exosuit can move without pilot , few others did too. (even today prototypes can be remove operated and can stand on its own and move without pilot)
i think better is to focus on definition as its something you wear or strap into who has human shape and you move it with limbs
and mech is something you sit into chair and pilot like tank , that would make pacific rim a exosut technicaly and few mechs too but im personaly fine with that definiion
as for helldivers it clearly has cockpit you sit into with joysticks and limbs dont align at all with body so it cant be exo-suit , but their definition could be diffrent , its "imagionary facist earth" after all.
This is getting dangerously close to the Dragon vs Wyvern vs Drake discussion lmao
Dragons have 4 arms and wings, wyverns have only legs and use there wings as arms, drake seems to be interchangeable able but in my experience it’s usually a dragon without wings or the ability to fly.
@@gage1bradford198 And yet it's still accurate to call all three a dragon. Hell, a lot of traditional artwork of dragons show them with two legs, and two wings, sometimes with four legs and no wings.
@@xenomorphoverlord kinda, it’s like calling a truck a car
@@gage1bradford198 not really it mostly depends on the given author
My personal system is
Mech = pilotable robot with variable weapon system (hands)
Exisuit = enhanced movement system that follows personels body movements
Metal gear = bipedal autonomous/pilotable weapons system (no hands)
The patriot is scientifically a metal gear
I think we can define it a lot easier:
Exosuit: its a "suit" you wear it like clothes, it can extend your limbs like prosthetics, but overall the suit emulates your movement 1:1
you do not need any buttons to control (although special abilities or things your body can't do can be activated through buttons and its still fine)
Mecha: its a vehicle, you get inside and control it through buttons, levers, joysticks and whatnot instead of your body's movement.
Just so you know, the Patriot is NOT armed with a 20mm rotary cannon, it's armed with an equivalent to the minigun sentry stratagem (and whichever caliber it uses), just like the Walker in HD1.
The EXO-48 Obisidian (leaked as the EXO-49 Emancipator in HD2) is the one armed with 20mm, and if you think that the Patriot's "minigun" model is far too large to be chambered in something smaller, that's just another of AH's discrepancies, like the aforementioned "Mechs" being called Exosuits or the Sickle being a "laser" despite clearly shooting recolored glowing bullets (which is a massive disappointment to me as the HD1 Sickle was a proper pulse laser quickly shooting repeating "beams").
The sickle is shooting lasers.
@@nahfr. That fact that they have any visible travel time at all means they're not really lasers
The Patriot in Helldivers 2 reminds me of the Mantis in Halo 4 and Halo 5 Guardians
Okay, back from Super Earth military procurements and it is an Exosuit because the legs are powered and controlled by a pair of pedals under the pilot. Also they have almost worked out all the kinks with the dumbfire rocket pod.
I mean before that there was a machine called the wolverine from the command and conquer series... same concept as the helldivers 2 mech: turret with legs, lightly armoured
We could use the emacipator, that would be nice, quad heavy autocannon sounds like fun.
Far more than the exosuit from Alien vs Predaror 2 (2001), both the Patriot and the Stomper look similar to the Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun (1999) unit, the Wolverine MK I. Which isn't called a mech or an exosuit but simply a walker.
Let's add the term power armour as a subclass of exosuit to make it more confusing
Just to add my own two cents to this debate; Two things of evidence, one for either side, I know of:
1. In HD1, there was a "Pilot" DLC, which even came with it’s own exosuit/mech, the Obsidian. The armor and helmet were even named after the DLC's title, so… possibly a mech.
However, then there’s 2; There’s another exosuit that’s rather similar in design to both the Alien exoskeletons and Helldivers Exosuits, only it’s in a movie rather than a game. Avatar, the James Cameron one anyhow, has exosuits that function similarly to the Pacific Rim Jaegers, but can function without being in an enclosed space similar to the Alien exoskeletons, and are about the size of Helldivers' Exosuits as well, maybe a bit taller.
the EXO-45 is good enough for most situations, but i feel like it's more of a light tank/airdropped vehicle, of which is how it's deployed i think if we gotten any bigger mechs they would be on the planet itself like the SEAF artillery, gotta do a side mission in order to get something like say a mech equipped with heavy cannons, shields or the like, if you want a mech that can take go toe to toe with a titan or a walking factory then you gotta find it out in the world. but it would be nice to choose what weapons the 45 brings, like the minigun/rocket set up, it's be nice to use something like a laser cannon and a spear missile launcher, or a grenade launcher/flamethrower set up, that be fun.
My own definitions:
Power armor is something you wear. The power armor from 40k and Fallout are good examples.
A mech is a full vehicle you get inside of that is still vaguely humanoid (a torso, two legs, usually arms, sometimes a head), these are your Gundums, your Battlemechs, your Jaegers, your Dreadnoughts, the Mantis from Halo, etc.
An exosuit is the middle ground between the two. It’s bigger than power armor and still controlled by the limbs of the person like armor, but it’s not worn. The Power Loader from Aliens, the Grey Knights Dreaknight from 40k, the Paragon Warsuit used the Sisters of Battle in 40k.
Exosuit can also refer to things lighter than traditional power armor like the Crisis suit or the powered exo skeleton from Call of Duty Black Ops 3.
Then there’s Walkers, the AT-AT, AT-ST, and a bunch of other vehicles from Star Wars, and the Strider from Helldivers 2. I’d say Walkers are legged vehicles that don’t have a humanoid shape.
Even Helldriver has a Dreadnought🤣🤣🤣
When you spend all your requisition points on one stratagem:
EVEN IN DEBT, I STILL SERVE
Warframes are not suits, the person is not inside them. Some of them are even hollow on the stomac, so you can be sure about that.
Matrix 3, they also might have some interesting points about mechs and exo suits/ They are referred to as APU or Armoured Personnel Unit. There it seems to be a hybrid. The personnel rides it with conventional joystick controls, them seated inside but there are joysticks which match the movement of the arms.
A game with a pretty good example for exosuits that's more new is exoprimal and different sizes too from small to larger
If you drive it, it's a mech. If you wear it, it's an exosuit.
There are two kinds of those things in avatar and the exosuits are controlled like a suit but look much more like a vehicle.
If we're following battletech rules. I think it counts as a proto mech. A unit which blurs the line in mech and battle armor.
You seem to have confused exosuits with powered armor.
Titans in Titanfall use a neural connection by the pilot so joysticks and controls are not really used
Titans were also used for farming, before the wars with the IMC of course
there's also an old animated series called EXO-Squad...
2:52 warframes are not exosuits, you do not wear a warframe, if you know you know.
I tend to call it a warsuit. I tend to imagine mechs as large titans or mechs like armored core. The patriot exosuit seems more like a Warsuit. Exosuits to me are like the battlesuits of the Tau or from Cod Advanced Warfare
It might be a pipe dream, but some type of high mobility exosuit equipped with dual slug shotguns would be cool
You ever disagree with a video so much but still like it because at least they are trying to learn what mechs are. One of the the coolest things ever. Also I wouldn't classify the Warframes as Exosuits because of what they are, sure we "pilot" them but like not a mech, not a suit. Just silly little guys we use space magic on to do our bidding, but they got our backs.
I just find the whole subject fascinating. So many different ways for a mech to work and there's so many ways you can classify them. I'm also just now learning more about Warframe. I played as far as Second Dream myself so I was only just getting into the lore when I last played.
It's more of a walking weapons platform, but "mech" is indeed what it actually is - albeit a very small one. If you pilot it, it's a mech. If you "wear" it, it's an exosuit. Piloting is usually done much like Titanfall, while "wearing" generally makes use of all four limbs to operate it. And while a Warframe isn't an exosuit at all, something like the power loader from Aliens is. Essentially, if it's a "wearable" machine, then it's an exosuit - think Fallout power armor. While something like Ironman or Savior from Crysis are generally considered "nonosuits" since they're more like a second skin.
Warframes are CERTAINLY not exosuits ...in the classical sense ...each Warframe is essentially a radically augmented and modified Human being that gets controlled via a Psychic link so to speak
From my personal understanding mechs are humanoid machine with a cockpit. Exosuits are slightly bigger that human suits of armor.
It would be cool if people remembered about lost planet while talking about mechs
Super Earth calls it an Exosuit, therefore it's an Exosuit. Any questions or criticism can be directed towards the nearest Freedom Officer. Do not resist.
Also mech suit (Armoured personnel units) in The Matrix .
The EXO is a Mini-mech aka the middle ground of power armor and mechs
ain't it funny how the mind linking between 2 Pilots in Pacific Rim would've been completely avoided if a Pilot linked his mind with a AI like in Titanfall?
I just thought of it the first time I've seen PointlessHub's review on Pacific Rim
Without QUESTION the "patriot exosuit" is a Mech, you can even find Wrecks of mechs laying around every so often and their is very clearly a Chair and a joystick, probably some pedals in their too. Although I suppose you could also call it a "mobile turret" that you get to Drive and Aim manually.
Generally speaking, a EXOSUIT is something you "wear" to enhance your own abilities. The Suit from Crisis, the Suits defending ZION in the Matrix Films, the Power Loader from Aliens, extera extera all fall under the category of Exo Suit. BUT, if you are using some sort of Interface, be it a Control panel and Joystick or Cyber suits of some kind to control something bigger then yourself, you are by all definitions a PILOTING a MECH.
Personally I can't help but see the TX-55 Metal Gear but with Rex's legs when I look at the Patriot
now if only the mech had boosters.
its technically small enough to be able to use boosters pretty well.
even just a jump jet for short hops.
Is fallout's power armour an exosuit or is it just a suit of armour?
What exo-suit look like
* aggressive Cyber Nigel.mp3 *
can you play the ItPsv 90 in the swedish tech tree? Its very fun with stupidly good AP-I
So exosuits and power armor basically the same thing? I always assumed exosuits where a crossing point between PA and mechs, like the one dva has, the aliens power loader, or the avatar sequels' skinny "movement enhancers".
i still think that helldivers machine more refers to mts like in armored core and walkers from star wars rather than mechs and exosuits
Great video, though one look at it’s legs and arms answers the question
My first thought is: now I wanna watch Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01...
Also, how would power armor fit into this? I consider exosuits and power armor to be the same thing, just power armor being a specific category of exosuit. And does that mean that Helldivers armor with the servo assist trait are exosuits as well? I think so.
Am I the only one who remembers the old cartoon exosquad? I loved that cartoon. Gritty war drama cartoon with exosuits. So sad it ended on such a weird note.
I think we need a m1 abrams kind or simmilar type of vehicle.
My introduction to mechs in games was Hawken, im about to make spme people nostalgic hopefully, because right now, none fuckin plays it
I miss that game! Used to play it so much. The devs were amazing too. The remake was such a letdown tho
@@PanzerPaw oh yeah i just googled hawken and saw the rework. Dissapointed, i had my hopes up.
An exosuit is a mechanical exoskeleton that the user wears to provide mechanical support to the user.
A Mech is a vehicle that is piloted.
The Helldivers patriot exosuit is clearly a mech. It's not rocket science, it's just mild semantics.
The cargo loader mech I wonder if better classification would be exomech similar to exosuits but closer to much bigger mech in design style but too small to be true mech. Though if mechs were to ever truly be built in humanoid style a exo mech such as power loader or Pacific rim would be more practical trying to input leg and arm movement while sitting down though possible seems harder,
one idea I had was Mecha have two pilots or one pilot and mental entrance so don't have to manually touch burdens accidentally ramming a building with your arm as you reach for button on your right side.
First idea is one pilot is standing up doing the exact same movement as mech is allowing for more accurate movement and perception of movement,
with second pilot sitting behind standing up one sitting down handling different task first pilot isn't doing or should be doing splitting work load and once in a while two pilots swap roles so standing one gets some rest for their bodies.
This is a pro over computer assistant pilot giving a rotation system to the pilots preventing fatigue, though AI could still be added to support the two pilots
If I ever build my own mech it is a mech vehicle hybrid like venikus from battle force 5 as it seems to be a practical design style to mech design.
Mecha also for the most part have on board computers or so to help pilot
Could they be referencing Exo-Squad by using the name, as thier are a few in that show that could be mechs, and have the same feel as these.
The Antitank from warthunder is an exosuit, right?
Yes
bro dont do anthem that dirty it was a great game the thing was that EA didn't mind to make it a GREAT game it had so much potencial
I played it at launch and actually enjoyed it. But I was disappointed with everything else to do with it after.
I hate to play devils advocate but anthem being as undercooked as it was, was mainly due to bioware actually making the game last minute in the two years of the 7 year dev cycle they were given
Nitpick but warframes aren't exo suits, they're remotely operated cyborgs. The "armour" is their skin and the insides are partially organic. The operator of the warframe sits in a chair and uses space magic bullshit to link their minds to the warframe. In this regard it's very similar to the Jaegers from pacific rim.
I going to take a wild stab at guessing its a Mech as in short for Mechanized or Mechanized Infinitary since the game is based around a hyper militarized Earth.
The reap problem here is that theres a distinct category of mini-mech that has often been called exosuits.
The alice style exosuit. The AMP from avatar. The APU from the matrix.
Small mechs where the pilot directly MECHANICALLY controls at least some of the limbs while being mostly, or entirely, enclosed in the body of the mech.
As its clear that a few of those examples might be inspirations thats probably where the name is coming from.
A lot of your examples are also quintessential power armour. Which i think people using 'exosuit' for minimechs are trying to differentiate them from.
Power armour thing you wear.
Exo-suit- thing you drive and wear.
Mech - thing you drive.
Yes this is definitially wrong, or, in accurate. As almost all powerarmour would infact definitially invokve an exoskeleton suit, thus be exosuits, andbnot all mini-mechs would be actual exoskeleton suits.
The SKEL suit in avatar is clearly an exoskeleton/exosuit but not powerarmour. And the AMP is probably best defined as a mini-mech. But both uave used 'exosuit' in some material.
i usually call it a gundam or iron giant
I'm guessing the exo is reference to exo squad
Are you from Indonesia, because you have operated on the Leopard (2RI, I should mention)? You also have used the Indonesian flag in your background.
helldivers version of the AT MP?
looks like a warhammer 40k or 30k dreadnought but with better legs
We have armored units in helldivers 2. Hell yeah! For super earth!
I think it look like a smaller chunkier Mantis from halo
I kinda Wish we could customise it
Warframe mention 🐸
Looks like the Space marines dreadnought from Warhammer 40 K
Ah.. gotta watch Pacific Rim over again ig.. btw love ye
Still a movie I rewatch at least once a month
The amplified mobility platform from Avatar is another rather unique mobile suit. As for the Jaeger the only thing unique about it is honestly the duel pilot requirement because the suit withing a control core...yay gundam did it first. 1994 Mobile fighter G gundam
Nerd stuff but titans in titanfall only replaced tanks in rough terrain
I call it a weapons platform, you know a mobile platform that mounts guns
Hey you forgot the mech (exosuit?) from avatar
Посмотрите муль сериал Звездный десант, там были мехи и экзокостюмы...
Obviously, the Patriot is an Exomech.
in warframe..its more the..necromech ... it works a lot like the dreadnought from 40k..gun on one side..and palnty of other weapons
Standby for Titanfall
It's not a mech/mecha.
It's a Titan (not a class vanguard, I admit, but still)
Looks like a dreadnought from 40k
Need a mech with 4 auto cannons
First 10 seconds of video and I have to ask why the Australian and Singaporean Flags and the Leopard tank model on the desk?
Like an AT-ST from Star Wars. XD
As part of the reserves (Xbox player) I think we can all agree its a Mech.
It's clearly a mini mech
Did you forget Call of duty Infinite exosuits?
You mean the most boring version of an exosuit ever conceived?
Hey, same, Mechwarrior 2 was my first game as well!
... and I'm sure I've just dated myself.
mech is short for mechanized armor to me
Ego -- power armor is for pussys
Battlesuit -- provides only weak weapons and low protection. However is light and generaly comes with energy shield to protect the user (halo)
Exosuit --- just a suit that protects pilot. A great example is wolverin from tiberian sun. Its also much more smaller and not very agile. (also limited ammo due to size)
Mech -- slow moving machine, armed with a lot of weapons and at least 10 meters high (not to be mixed with mechwarrior ones --- those are in betwen)
Arensal --- very mobile and agile mech, usualy hold back by something that doesnt make it overpowered. However it trades armor and bullets for agility. (daemon X machina) 6m max in size
Gundam -- large robot with some magic technology that makes it better. Usualy at least 15-20 meters high.
0:40 nah avatar mechs were first
halo panzerpaw, watch your vids for along time and this is the first time i got a first comment soo yeah
Sorry but someone was one minute ahead of you
bruh just said the exosuits from.crisis are more known than the mjonlir armor from halo. by the definition definitively an exosuit. what is that "crisis" series I nevr heard of it.