Why Nobody Can Fix This New York Skyscraper

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  • Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
  • This is One Seaport, a luxury tower that was meant to be a symbol of ambition. Now, it's an abandoned eyesore, a multi-million-dollar testament to a construction nightmare. Lawsuits swirl, engineers scratching their heads, and potential residents turn away in disbelief.
    How did a state-of-the-art skyscraper mega project end up tilting before it was even finished?
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  • @TheImpossibleBuild
    @TheImpossibleBuild  2 місяці тому +98

    A nightmare for New York, will this ever get fixed?

    • @edu7979
      @edu7979 2 місяці тому +18

      its fubar, in my eyes atleast

    • @BEdwardStover
      @BEdwardStover 2 місяці тому +27

      No. The longer they fight, the more impossible it gets. But trying to go the cheap route in the first place makes the fix much more expensive than if they just went to bedrock all the way around at the start. Now they got the building in the way as well as the half assed foundation in the way. There may not be room enough to work around both, and they may have to drill through some of the concrete they put in place. Which will cost like drilling though solid rock.

    • @lorenzoblum868
      @lorenzoblum868 2 місяці тому +35

      All they need to do is change the name of the tower to East Pisa Tower.

    • @jeffw8218
      @jeffw8218 2 місяці тому +4

      No.

    • @scoopydaniels8908
      @scoopydaniels8908 Місяць тому +25

      It'll get fixed when they tear it down and build something practical on the site.. something drilled solidly into the Bedrock

  • @HammerOn-bu7gx
    @HammerOn-bu7gx 2 місяці тому +671

    That $6 million is looking cheep now.

    • @iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79
      @iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 2 місяці тому +4

      Just only

    • @geniferteal4178
      @geniferteal4178 2 місяці тому +24

      I was thinking that anyway over the cost of the whole project.

    • @wobby1516
      @wobby1516 2 місяці тому +55

      @@geniferteal4178
      Like so many companies, Boeing comes to mind! Accountants run the show and look at profits more than quality and safety. Left to engineers they surely would have opted for safety and gone down to bedrock.

    • @bigtime4794
      @bigtime4794 2 місяці тому +5

      You don't know cheap

    • @jonathantaylor6926
      @jonathantaylor6926 2 місяці тому +25

      No kidding. The legal fees alone will prob cost more.

  • @johnkeviljr9625
    @johnkeviljr9625 2 місяці тому +385

    “Caissons to bedrock”. Three words that would have saved the building. I learned those three words 50 years ago in architecture school. Damn.

    • @zell863
      @zell863 2 місяці тому +21

      After battle all are generals.

    • @jonathantaylor6926
      @jonathantaylor6926 2 місяці тому +41

      And it only saved 6 million doing it the cheaper way. In this context 6M isn’t that much money.

    • @JosephOlson-ld2td
      @JosephOlson-ld2td 2 місяці тому +20

      Architects are not educated enough to oversee crooked contractors and shady structural engineers > always get a second opinion

    • @johnkeviljr9625
      @johnkeviljr9625 2 місяці тому +15

      @@zell863 Lessons not learned. Or not learned from others experience. You don't have to be a general to be a skillful observer.

    • @johnkeviljr9625
      @johnkeviljr9625 2 місяці тому +2

      @@JosephOlson-ld2td You don't know the right architects. But I agree on a second opinion.

  • @76UVB
    @76UVB 2 місяці тому +276

    The additional $6 million to properly prepare the foundation when spread across the cost of units in that building would probably not have affected the occupancy rate. It's an example of pure greed on the part of the developer and it looks good on them that their gamble failed.

    • @scottwooledge6387
      @scottwooledge6387 2 місяці тому +29

      You’re right. There were 99 units and spreading $6M among them would have been just over $60K. But hey. Developers needed that extra profit margin to buy their private island.

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 2 місяці тому +13

      @@scottwooledge6387 - you never know this fiasco could have been finaced by your retiremnet fund...

    • @elizabethwitt2621
      @elizabethwitt2621 Місяць тому +6

      What about the buyers of these condos? Are they still on the hook for the mortgage because the building isn't finished or safe?

    • @AnonymousGameWarden
      @AnonymousGameWarden Місяць тому +3

      This isn't a new concept.. At one point in New York history. Entire buildings were going up in flames because builders were trying to save pennies on light bulbs.

    • @scottwooledge6387
      @scottwooledge6387 Місяць тому +5

      @@elizabethwitt2621 I read that the buyer's deposits were returned. I don't think they would have had a mortgage before taking possession of the units, which no one has done.

  • @wacokidjim1973
    @wacokidjim1973 2 місяці тому +257

    "A scenic esplanade bustling with walkers and cyclists"
    Shows elevated highway

    • @bmichael8187
      @bmichael8187 2 місяці тому +4

      It's East Side Highway. Should be torn down ..

    • @bigradwolf5001
      @bigradwolf5001 2 місяці тому +1

      Must be a retirement esplanade with seniors either on walkers or wheelchairs.

    • @alanhill769
      @alanhill769 Місяць тому

      Yeah but you can see over the top the higher you go.

    • @jamesjohnson1050
      @jamesjohnson1050 Місяць тому +9

      There's actually a bike path and restaurants and eateries up under that freeway.

    • @emjayay
      @emjayay Місяць тому

      Yes, they should have found some ground video instead of the drone stuff to go with that. But it's all in process of being redone with better river flooding control.

  • @Leftfield71
    @Leftfield71 2 місяці тому +370

    Those ultra-thin skyscrapers freak me out.

    • @markthompson180
      @markthompson180 2 місяці тому +46

      Me too - they just look like they don't have a wide enough base to remain upright for long.

    • @horseshoe182
      @horseshoe182 2 місяці тому +10

      it does my head in, how can they build so high with such a comparably small foundations, but they can do it.

    • @Crazy-Clown-In-Town
      @Crazy-Clown-In-Town 2 місяці тому +65

      Skyscrapers are getting thinner while people are getting fatter.

    • @justSTUMBLEDupon
      @justSTUMBLEDupon 2 місяці тому +14

      I watched videos saying they creek loudly during windy days.

    • @bigradwolf5001
      @bigradwolf5001 2 місяці тому +2

      They should have consulted SEA where technology of such are a science.

  • @craigphillips3189
    @craigphillips3189 2 місяці тому +151

    Greed Before Safety.

  • @spacecadet35
    @spacecadet35 2 місяці тому +70

    I have discovered that most engineering disasters are caused by some manager going "we could save a bit of money by...." They don't realise that good engineers have already designed the structure to be as cheap as possible, but still meet all of the engineering requirements. Usually the management's cost cutting comes straight out of the structures safety margin.

    • @donaldkasper8346
      @donaldkasper8346 День тому

      It is always about saving money. An engineered solution that works is called it works and cheaper.

  • @BOBBOB-tx7ox
    @BOBBOB-tx7ox Місяць тому +58

    As an architect I would have gotten fired from this job in the design phase because I would have insisted that the foundation be set in bedrock. I hate cheap clients trying to save a buck instead of doing it the correct way in the first place. Also, these super thin towers defy logic, the structure required to keep them standing is unreal.

    • @GSP-76
      @GSP-76 Місяць тому +4

      They knew the issue right from the start...they collectively used an alternative method...just didn't work out.

    • @BOBBOB-tx7ox
      @BOBBOB-tx7ox Місяць тому +10

      @@GSP-76 alternative method means cheaper, cheaper means problems, I run into this all the time, I fight it all the time. Cutting corners means future problems just ask Boeing. Buildings, planes bridges fail because of stupid human hubris.

  • @lingeng2659
    @lingeng2659 2 місяці тому +97

    They took the risk for the 6 million additional return. Now the risk is being realized.

  • @Giggiyygoo
    @Giggiyygoo Місяць тому +146

    All the high tech computer designs and engineering, but the ones built in the 30s with guys throwing hot rivets are still standing strong.

    • @terry_willis
      @terry_willis Місяць тому +16

      And slide rules too.

    • @MrBronx61
      @MrBronx61 Місяць тому +14

      💯💯💯 I used to work in the Empire State Building. It's a work of art.

    • @jamesthornton9399
      @jamesthornton9399 Місяць тому +6

      it is goodfoundation not the rivits. The need foundation to bedrock.

    • @kkapalle
      @kkapalle Місяць тому

      Then go look for yourself 🤥

    • @Christobanistan
      @Christobanistan Місяць тому +3

      Well, the ones that didn't get torn down.

  • @germansniper5277
    @germansniper5277 Місяць тому +57

    finally someone admitting that 3 inches is a lot

    • @martinogold
      @martinogold Місяць тому +3

      😆

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane Місяць тому +5

      As my nan always said, add one inch to the end of your nose and everyone will notice. LOL

    • @Splash111
      @Splash111 28 днів тому

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Z4Zander
      @Z4Zander 8 днів тому

      Hopefully it's not a grower.

  • @tobygoodguy4032
    @tobygoodguy4032 2 місяці тому +97

    180 Maiden built 40+ years ago never has any of these foundation problems ... because back then, we knew how to build.

    • @rb5174
      @rb5174 2 місяці тому +7

      The Hyatt regency construction didn’t do so well 40 years ago in Missouri

    • @NOMOone
      @NOMOone Місяць тому +2

      Back then, the people who built the original buildings in NYC, were from a different time and culture, they had more advanced tech then these dummy architects we have today. These modern architects you see taking credit for the construction of these buildings, were not even on earth when they were built. No contemporary architect will ever be able to emulate any of the Tartarian super structures all over the earth.

    • @DeanStephen
      @DeanStephen Місяць тому

      @@rb5174Totally different issue. Plus, that was a result of an unauthorised change by the contractor.

    • @calvoh9715
      @calvoh9715 Місяць тому +2

      @@NOMOone you mean architects are structural engineers in the US?

    • @bobsmith6079
      @bobsmith6079 Місяць тому +2

      @DeanStephen
      You're incorrect, the change in the walkway supports was authorized by the engineering firm going from single rod supports to offset rods with the tension transmitted through a hollow horizontal support which doubled the load on nut on the upper support rod. It was the largest death toll in US history from a building collapse and kept that title until 9/11. The engineers lost their licenses as did the company which failed. There is one interesting fact about the level of corruption in that the entire inspection process for the building took less than an hour so it wasn't so much inspected as just rubber stamped.

  • @mikedonnarumma5337
    @mikedonnarumma5337 2 місяці тому +114

    greed takes a SMACK here

  • @grantdennis8678
    @grantdennis8678 2 місяці тому +176

    should have spent the $6mil on the foundations to bedrock. DOH!!!

    • @mvd4436
      @mvd4436 Місяць тому +3

      They opted for this nightmare to save 6 million? That's insane 😂 i assumed the extra cost would be 20-25 million

  • @artistny0000
    @artistny0000 2 місяці тому +110

    In the building next door 181 Maiden Lane most of the piles are driven to “the “point of refusal” with large pile caps. It has not tilted at all in 43 years.

    • @Thundergy
      @Thundergy Місяць тому

      that buildign is also fat as shit

    • @calvoh9715
      @calvoh9715 Місяць тому +6

      you would rather have problems in beams and slabs than foundations and columns.

  • @BlueGoat682
    @BlueGoat682 2 місяці тому +72

    This problem reminds me of a similar problem with the Millenium Tower in downtown San Francisco.

    • @kevinjay5908
      @kevinjay5908 Місяць тому +4

      The leaning tower of San Francisco.

  • @BEdwardStover
    @BEdwardStover 2 місяці тому +57

    Yup, they screwed up. Saw the cost, went cheap. The cost wasn't even that much 166 feet is done all the time.

  • @madratter
    @madratter Місяць тому +28

    U Mass Amherst built a 26 story library with brick facade. They didn't estimate the weight of the books correctly. When they started to fill it, bricks under compression started blowing off the sides... Their fix was to wrap the entire building in fence 30' away from the building and make one entrance under a covered roof while only using half the floors. There are entire floors with no access and no books. Other floors are empty except cubicles for people to study.
    On the same campus the residential buildings known as, "the towers" were built in swamp land and have continued to sink since they opened. Over the years they have had to remove and lower the stairs at the entrances to accommodate the new depth of the buildings

    • @williamgottlieb8723
      @williamgottlieb8723 Місяць тому +1

      The information from all of those books that needed a 26-story building to house it could probably fit on a single hard drive today.

    • @pyhead9916
      @pyhead9916 Місяць тому

      26 stories of brick? That's ridiculous!

    • @circleinforthecube5170
      @circleinforthecube5170 8 днів тому +1

      @@williamgottlieb8723 yeah but a library serves more than just a book storage area, its a third space, a space for people to simply be in like a park, and even then it could house computers with access to said harddrive

  • @rms1034
    @rms1034 2 місяці тому +55

    considering that the foundation caisons to bedrock was only 6 million, and units sold for over a million... it should have been a no brainer to go for the sure bet and not risk your massive investment.

    • @MrManfly
      @MrManfly 2 місяці тому +6

      The builder wanted to pocket that money, that’s the problem 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @howardfam49
      @howardfam49 2 місяці тому +4

      Hindsight is always 20/20 cheaper.

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 2 місяці тому +8

      just because they sell for 1 million doesnt mean its all profit... but now its a loss for sure

  • @billhammett174
    @billhammett174 2 місяці тому +28

    Thus being the Big Apple, the obvious questions are:
    Which NY City politicians reaped contributions/favors from the developer?
    Which NY City building inspectors received favors/jobs from the developer?
    Which consulting firms received contracts/favors from the developer?

    • @MVos-md3rp
      @MVos-md3rp Місяць тому

      There is a Kojak episode circa 1975 ish exposing exactly how it gets done!

  • @eyefreely9682
    @eyefreely9682 2 місяці тому +46

    3 inches ain't so bad... It's All in how you use it!

    • @bigradwolf5001
      @bigradwolf5001 2 місяці тому

      They can balance this over time choosing the fatties to live on the other side.

    • @kelvinkimani1853
      @kelvinkimani1853 Місяць тому

      Sure

    • @joevarga5982
      @joevarga5982 Місяць тому +1

      We'll take you word for it.

  • @dixonpinfold2582
    @dixonpinfold2582 2 місяці тому +37

    Excuse me, but no building of just 60 stories, only 670 feet tall, can even come anywhere near "dominating New York City's downtown skyline." It ranks 87th.
    That's like saying some player who's 6'3" dominates the boards in the NBA.

    • @Ues2DC
      @Ues2DC Місяць тому

      Chuck is about 6’4 so close 🙂

    • @basilmcdonnell9807
      @basilmcdonnell9807 9 днів тому

      6'3" is pretty tall. I definitely dominate the top cupboards in my house.

  • @Acehitman369
    @Acehitman369 2 місяці тому +105

    3 inches is nothing, Mllennium tower in San Francisco Lean 29 inches on one corner of the building

    • @JohnnyT002
      @JohnnyT002 2 місяці тому +26

      Until it falls.

    • @jeffarchibald3837
      @jeffarchibald3837 2 місяці тому +18

      The Frisco tower is leaning to the left.

    • @xr6lad
      @xr6lad 2 місяці тому +62

      @@jeffarchibald3837all of Frisco leans to the Left. The Extreme Left.

    • @Sean-ll5cm
      @Sean-ll5cm 2 місяці тому

      @@xr6lad the extreme left is communism, yet the core of its problems is unrestrained capitalism

    • @simonrockwell4254
      @simonrockwell4254 2 місяці тому +5

      Ya just got to love these people that know everything. Go fix the problem then...

  • @ANT18621
    @ANT18621 Місяць тому +31

    I rather have a 100 plus acres of land in the country with a modest log cabin any day instead of living there.

    • @michaelcauser474
      @michaelcauser474 Місяць тому +4

      I will second that statement. You will not get me up in one of those towers except in a straight jacket and chains.

    • @ANT18621
      @ANT18621 Місяць тому +1

      @@michaelcauser474 lol! 😂

    • @bdickinson6751
      @bdickinson6751 Місяць тому

      It makes them feel special to be able to say they live in that shithole of a city!

  • @commonsense5741
    @commonsense5741 2 місяці тому +76

    Even the Bible talks about building your house on sand instead of rock.😂

  • @7477238
    @7477238 Місяць тому +12

    Good video. There's nothing more expensive than cutting costs. Time in and time out people still make that mistake.

  • @chriswatson2407
    @chriswatson2407 2 місяці тому +59

    It is leaning towards the Millennium Tower obviously.

    • @boxsterman77
      @boxsterman77 2 місяці тому

      I thought it was leaning north.

    • @jakeforrest
      @jakeforrest 2 місяці тому +1

      If you are at the exact North Pole, any leaning in any direction, will be towards south.

    • @mitchellbarnow1709
      @mitchellbarnow1709 Місяць тому +2

      Imagine if major earthquakes were possible like in San Francisco’s 1906 earthquake!

  • @user-ts4fo9ol9x
    @user-ts4fo9ol9x 2 місяці тому +15

    Everybody knows pilings need to go down to bedrock if you build a tower on land created by fill. The owners and engineers on the job were incompetent, crooks, or both. New York had better arrange to remove the structure and do it soon.

    • @glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294
      @glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294 2 місяці тому +1

      Don’t even have to be a civil engineer to know this.

    • @OlDoinyo
      @OlDoinyo Місяць тому +1

      There are some places (albeit not here) where bedrock is more than a mile down. New Orleans is such a place. Driving piles to bedrock in those places is simply not possible.

  • @OmniGuy
    @OmniGuy 2 місяці тому +12

    It's a shame. I think the building design is stunning. A great looking heap.

  • @LuisRodriguez-ns9mo
    @LuisRodriguez-ns9mo 2 місяці тому +28

    No Thank you.. I wouldn’t go there even to visit

  • @j-note3285
    @j-note3285 Місяць тому +2

    I know nothing about architecture or building but it just seems that cutting corners on the FOUNDATION is really not the way to save expense. I'm shocked that any developer would consider it with a building of that size.

  • @mustafabransfield340
    @mustafabransfield340 2 місяці тому +10

    I actually find comfort in the fact that 3 inches is cause for concern with construction on a building that tall. Sounds like they are on it, unlike another building i know..

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 2 місяці тому +6

      its not at full weight either, plus you have to add the weight of residential furniture/belongings etc

    • @davidrose9668
      @davidrose9668 19 днів тому +1

      Over tIme its no gonna say 3 inches,Subsidence.

  • @jus10lewissr
    @jus10lewissr Місяць тому +2

    The fact that the rather severe issues -- and the causes of those issues -- with the Millennium Tower in San Francisco are very well known makes this here seem even crazier. You'd think someone would say, "We're definitely going to do this the right way and drive piles all the way down to bedrock to avoid something like that from happening here in Manhattan," but apparently not.

  • @ronnrayy5449
    @ronnrayy5449 Місяць тому +5

    Some people won't consider expensive precautions until they are screwed by the shortcuts. Things like this need to happen sometimes in order for others to not be as reckless in similar situations

  • @basilmcdonnell9807
    @basilmcdonnell9807 9 днів тому +1

    A few years ago a large waterfront convention centre project here in Vancouver was publicly noted as behind schedule in the press, and I happened to remark to a family friend who was an accountant with the crown corporation that was building it, "so, what- they couldn't find bedrock?" And he replied, "how did you know that?"

  • @ciuzdamm
    @ciuzdamm Місяць тому +7

    Neglected and abandoned building: squatters, what are you waiting for?

  • @user-rb4hm4ol8d
    @user-rb4hm4ol8d Місяць тому +7

    It may be pricy drilling into bedrock 132 - 166 feet down, but they would have made their money already. They lost hundreds of millions to saved 6 million dollars with that stupid concrete pad idiocy.

  • @newyorkeranew
    @newyorkeranew Місяць тому +11

    Fact is, this is among the hideous buildings to curse New York’s contemporary skyline. It might fit perfectly well in Miami or even the Upper East Side, but among the array of downtown’s office towers and the Seaport, it’s a blight. It’s gratifying to see the developers take a bath on this one.

    • @mariuquidiello
      @mariuquidiello 26 днів тому +1

      In Miami with the sea corrosion, all buildings are in danger !

  • @mlb6d9
    @mlb6d9 Місяць тому +3

    It seems with these tall, thin towers that going the extra mile with foundation prep would be a no brainer

  • @arthurquinlan3862
    @arthurquinlan3862 7 днів тому +1

    I think this is a perfect opportunity for aluminum siding.

  • @sciagurrato1831
    @sciagurrato1831 2 місяці тому +2

    “Landfill” is the great metaphor for western society.

    • @Moonflowers11
      @Moonflowers11 2 дні тому

      I live on landfill on the west side. A lot of NYC is landfill.

  • @cmleoj
    @cmleoj 2 місяці тому +12

    One line from the Wikipedia article stands out: The developer “hired the Italian firm Pizzarotti as general contractor, likely in part because of Pizzarotti's low rates.”
    The Esplanade gang has entered the chat.

    • @marks6663
      @marks6663 Місяць тому +3

      The Leaning Tower of Pizzarotti

    • @Z4Zander
      @Z4Zander 8 днів тому +1

      Wait a minute!Tower-Pizza-Leaning.Who saw that coming?

  • @ZT-vr4wz
    @ZT-vr4wz 2 місяці тому +21

    The Bush & Cheny Demolition Company could easily fix it. 😅

    • @JohnnyT002
      @JohnnyT002 2 місяці тому +1

      Thy need to take it down before it falls down.

    • @rdmorris1947
      @rdmorris1947 2 місяці тому +1

      Trump constructors would underbid, not pay their subcontractors, and then file for bankruptcy while throwing every delaying tactic known to the legal profession. This project is made for the likes of Trump.

    • @RoadKing65
      @RoadKing65 2 місяці тому +12

      @@rdmorris1947 And Biden would just drool and ask to play with his Legos

    • @Ray__E
      @Ray__E 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@RoadKing65that'll be trump. The guy can't even hold a cup of water with one hand. Just like a toddler

    • @xr6lad
      @xr6lad 2 місяці тому

      @@Ray__Eare you in the USA totally in denial of what stuff Biden does that us in the rest of the world see on our media. The man is literally senile asking to met peoples that have been dead for years or stopping in the middle of speeches looking lost? Is your media covering for him that much?

  • @markazinker3212
    @markazinker3212 Місяць тому

    amazing in this day and age that stuff like this happens, i’m sure there are plenty of people right here on youtube that saw this scenario unfolding

  • @adammiller2246
    @adammiller2246 Місяць тому +2

    I remember when they proposed this building.. I thought they are out of their minds due to the underground

  • @yvanhuneault-kudos
    @yvanhuneault-kudos Місяць тому

    Fascinating. (Writing and production are excellent.)

  • @justaviewer111
    @justaviewer111 2 місяці тому +4

    The Millenium Towner in San Francisco is leaning 10 times as much as it's full of residents. Why is 3 inchs that bad? Do they expect it to continue?

  • @JakeobE
    @JakeobE 2 місяці тому +7

    0:24 If the tower was visibly tilting (to someone's perspective with just their bare eyes), the tower would have collapsed a long time ago. The Millennium Tower in SF has a far more concerning tilt, yet it is not possible to see the tilt with just your eyes.

    • @danielwalker6653
      @danielwalker6653 2 місяці тому +6

      Millenium tower isn't nearly as skinny (lower aspect ratio) as this building. A small lean is much more likely to be catastrophic especially as the lean is to the North across the narrower part of the building. This building will have to be demoed - and without implosion. That will cost $50+ M. The only question is when that will happen and who will pay for it.

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 2 місяці тому

      @@danielwalker6653 - if contrcator files bankruptcy and disaprears.. the people that own the lot will have to sell it cheap

    • @Moonflowers11
      @Moonflowers11 2 дні тому +1

      I drive past this building and I can't see the lean.

  • @raraszek
    @raraszek Місяць тому +3

    Because all new condos built after 2015 cut corners like crazy and use very cheap materials. It's a no-brainer.

  • @lumbaracres3587
    @lumbaracres3587 2 місяці тому +2

    different story in the wikipedia article about this building, "The developer hired engineering firms WSP Global and Arup Group, which both concluded that the building's lean did not compromise its structural integrity." etc.

  • @vjreimedia
    @vjreimedia Місяць тому +2

    Corruption. So many regulations and all that, if you live in New York you know everything is regulated. No one ever would give a permit to build something like that without checking on the foundations. Is so obvious developers just gave a huge chunk of money to the city to get the permits.

  • @MKHNitro
    @MKHNitro 5 днів тому +1

    Who would have thought that geology wins EVERY time

  • @ZeitGeist_TV
    @ZeitGeist_TV Місяць тому +1

    I can't imagine yesterday's earthquake helping the situation of this building. This is what happens when you put upfront cost over long-term understanding of do it right means you do it once.
    Whatever cost measures to fix the tilt, prevent further tilting, legal fee's and inability to fulfill residence will all be multiple times higher then $7 million to build to bedrock.

  • @S-K69
    @S-K69 Місяць тому +1

    This issue is the definition of trying to pick up penny’s in front of a steam roller.
    They tried to save $6m and ended up costing themselves hundreds of millions. Pure greed and stupidity. You’re building a LUXURY tower. Just imagine the other corners they were cutting. I don’t even mean structural/engineering corners, I mean just on the quality of amenity material they were using. I’ve seen a lot of luxury buildings in NYC in my time and their quality has consistently gone down with each decade. It’s the small things, like seams not lining up, grout and sealant cracking, poor building maintenance infrastructure, things like that. But when you’re buying luxury property it’s those little things that matter.

  • @SnowFish-kk6ut
    @SnowFish-kk6ut Місяць тому +1

    I find myself most impressed by whomever repelled down and painted the graffiti on the top 8 floors shown at 9:03.

  • @imham984
    @imham984 Місяць тому

    Thank you for the great video

  • @lesstyranny2695
    @lesstyranny2695 7 днів тому

    The fact they call this lean 'unforeseen' after knowing they weren't anchoring to bedrock is astounding to me. Anyone who has dealt with foundation issues in their home (myself included) or even built small structures (shed, outbuildings, etc) on soft ground would have predicted this as a potential outcome.

  • @Typing.._
    @Typing.._ 3 дні тому +1

    When you teach your kids about building a good foundation ( start) to every project in life 🤣

  • @FiveBlackFootedFerrets
    @FiveBlackFootedFerrets Місяць тому +1

    Curiously there is no mention of a thorough geologic survey to assess the suitability of building a high-rise tower on anything less than bedrock. From the information provided in this short documentary, it seems obvious the engineers were cutting corners to control cost. The fact that the building began to settle unevenly before it was completed is telling. The design specifications were clearly deeply flawed. I'm a geologist and this is what happens when a building is poorly designed and under engineered. I've read the book about the construction of the Brooklyn bridge written by Stephen Ambrose. That structure which crosses the east river stands as a testament to robust engineering accomplished well before scale models or computer modeling was even a pipe dream. It was the world's longest suspension bridge for twenty years.

  • @mrtechie6810
    @mrtechie6810 Місяць тому +1

    The tree with deepest roots remains standing after the storm.

  • @kevinanaks8554
    @kevinanaks8554 Місяць тому

    The lean can simply be managed through balancing on the opposite side that sways the structure

  • @KidHorn7001
    @KidHorn7001 2 місяці тому +5

    Can they attach it to the big building next to it to help hold it straight?

    • @chickenlittle2206
      @chickenlittle2206 11 днів тому

      No. It would throw all the math that went into that building clean onto the next page. Wind shears, loads every equation which went into that building would then be mute.
      It's gotta come down.
      Anything important to you in life- its important it has a solid foundation.
      Better you learn from their mistakes on their dime than destroy two buildings.

  • @Nobody_important_at_all
    @Nobody_important_at_all 4 дні тому

    As an automotive tech. I'll tell you. Engineers think and act like they're the smartest people around who make no mistakes in their design. Until as a tech i point out how they lack common sense. This building for example, we accounted for the twist, we didn't account for weight distribution. Something related to me, when this condition occurs by the customers complaint, replace this part. Me, how do you duplicate? Them, you can't but it a known issue for a year.
    Also me, spends 20 min on vehicle, figures out how to force duplication of complaint. Them, how?
    Me, by active test of this part, it is closest to this series of parts, use and build up clogs the first of the series of ports in the failed part you said to replace.
    Service bulletin two days later.

  • @keytothegate68
    @keytothegate68 2 місяці тому +7

    Three inch lean may not be that bad. The Millennium Tower in SF. Has 14 in lean and it got slightly worse after the attempted fix

    • @arnkriegbaum
      @arnkriegbaum Місяць тому +1

      yes, but a lot of the weight has not even been added nor have all windows been added which both would add to the foundation stress so the whole thing is probably going to be brought down. sad

  • @vladsnape6408
    @vladsnape6408 2 місяці тому +2

    0:20 The other tower in the picture is also 'not standing straight and leaning', so it needs to be fixed or demolished as well.

  • @johnpoindexter6594
    @johnpoindexter6594 Місяць тому +2

    GREED IS WHAT MADE IT TILT! 😂

  • @just_in_key
    @just_in_key 2 місяці тому +2

    Millennium tower has a competitor now

  • @pauledwards9047
    @pauledwards9047 Місяць тому +1

    Keep in mind also the city of New York had to approve the engineering of this building for the permitting. They are partially responsible as well. They should've never taken this risk and made the developer pay for the proper engineering.

  • @michellewalters4484
    @michellewalters4484 8 днів тому

    I sure do love the historic waterfront over the modern nasty towers.... Sad to see so many such areas being gentrified...

  • @spongebob-ek1fp
    @spongebob-ek1fp Місяць тому +1

    The city should be.
    Responsible for approving the blueprints and the designs.

    • @MickeyMouse-zu2yk
      @MickeyMouse-zu2yk 9 днів тому

      Great idea - the know-all, efficient, competency of government bureaucracy is the solution to all problems in life

  • @juanhaver6584
    @juanhaver6584 Місяць тому +2

    Take the developer to the cleaners over this, sue the shareholders personally for the demolition

  • @josvankrieken6874
    @josvankrieken6874 Місяць тому +1

    Stupid cost cut, thanks for the video

  • @robertspeschel9868
    @robertspeschel9868 Місяць тому +1

    I’m just a small builder, but how many times in the past have I said “ Never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over again,

  • @zell863
    @zell863 2 місяці тому +5

    3" is not too much of lining. Edit second like in case of Millenium tower of SF after battle all are generals. Structural engineering is not an exact science. You do the best what you can. They tried something new and it didn't work.

  • @OHANA-Beach-Suites-CDO
    @OHANA-Beach-Suites-CDO 10 годин тому

    Thanks!👍

  • @jus10lewissr
    @jus10lewissr Місяць тому +1

    I'm not sure how the "unforeseen tilt" wasn't easy to foresee. I'm no engineer and even I know better. Trying to save six million dollars turned out to cost them far more in the long run. I'm honestly surprised that Manhattan doesn't require such heavy highrise buildings to have piles driven all the way down to the bedrock. You'd think that would be something that was very strictly enforced, especially when you consider the soil most of those buildings sit on.

  • @Mrch33ky
    @Mrch33ky Місяць тому +1

    Hard to believe a building designed like a sail made out of concrete could perform so poorly in the wind.

  • @bobsmith6079
    @bobsmith6079 Місяць тому

    This is exactly the same problem that happened in Frisco with the Millennium Tower but it has 58 stories and a 28 inch lean measured from the top. An attempt to fix the lean actually accelerated the leaning rate and amount and it has been halted.

  • @garyabc
    @garyabc Місяць тому

    We need to know more! Tell us the progress on this building.

  • @majikglustik9704
    @majikglustik9704 2 місяці тому +3

    I bet you CDI (Controlled Demolition Inc.) could fix it quick!

  • @kevinjohnson7374
    @kevinjohnson7374 2 місяці тому +17

    I’d rather live in Brooklyn or Queens for a 10th of the price with a view of the city skyline over paying millions to live in city with a view of Brooklyn, Queens, SI or Jersey.

    • @sabastian4858
      @sabastian4858 Місяць тому

      Yes you would.

    • @billy.7113
      @billy.7113 Місяць тому

      Brooklyn and Queens are cheaper, but NOT at 1/10 of Manhattan price.

    • @ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800
      @ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 Місяць тому

      I’d rather not live on the east coast AT ALL. It’s disgusting.

    • @jackmehoff5523
      @jackmehoff5523 Місяць тому

      Why would anyone wanna live there? It looks like a miserable existence.

  • @l0os176
    @l0os176 Місяць тому +4

    It would have only added $6 million to the total to have a sturdy foundation? Sounds like they could have afforded to do that.

    • @bdickinson6751
      @bdickinson6751 Місяць тому +1

      But they were saving money.
      🤔 I wonder how all of those high priced lawyers are making out?

  • @felipericketts
    @felipericketts Місяць тому +1

    Not the first developer that tries to save money by not going down to bedrock with piles and runs into trouble!

  • @Blaqjaqshellaq
    @Blaqjaqshellaq 2 місяці тому +1

    That was a fearless graffiti artist at 09:00 !

  • @mayling141
    @mayling141 Місяць тому +1

    They could have saved themselves 6 million headaches when they just embedded the foundation into the bedrock.

  • @iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79
    @iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 2 місяці тому +31

    The thing that caught my eye was the tagging at the top of the building 9:01. I’m here in Chicago and sometimes you just catch tagging some where and wonder how in the hell did they get up there. Definitely looks like they must have repelled down this building at night and went back to skyscraper window cleaning the next morning.

    • @MrStevos
      @MrStevos 2 місяці тому +4

      Perhaps, also If you'll notice there is vertical structural truss work on either side (for elevators?) which can be hooked on to in various ways...

    • @bigradwolf5001
      @bigradwolf5001 2 місяці тому +3

      That's awesome observation. We call it vandal here in NY.

    • @iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79
      @iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79 2 місяці тому +5

      @@bigradwolf5001 stop it! I’m sure some New Yorkers refer to it as tagging as well. That’s a pretty common term for it.

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 2 місяці тому +2

      Ha ha I saw the tagging/spray paint.. that would have took a few minutes to do

    • @charlescheng3480
      @charlescheng3480 Місяць тому +2

      There are exposed beams/rebar towards the top. I've actually hit this specific site before, its pretty sketch to get to the very top ledge where they are fastened into the concrete. I'm assuming they got up there and rappelled down, wicked stuff. And for those in the know, its called tagging in NYC.

  • @donjensen785
    @donjensen785 16 днів тому

    You don't need to be an engineer to see that this aspect ratio was guaranteed to fail.

  • @scoopydaniels8908
    @scoopydaniels8908 Місяць тому +2

    The only thing that makes buildings in New York not frightening to be in is the fact that you know it's literally drilled into the Bedrock.. the actual hard, solid granite crust of the Earth which is exceptionally strong and stable in New York.. the stability of the ground is part of what makes New York city so special..
    ( that and the fact that you can drink water out of your faucet anywhere in New York City with total confidence. New York City's water wins taste test over bottled)

    • @NickCBax
      @NickCBax Місяць тому +1

      As for tap water in NYC, don’t look into the roof top tanks that supply water pressure. They’re a cleaning nightmare.

    • @scoopydaniels8908
      @scoopydaniels8908 Місяць тому +1

      @@NickCBax I was at a wedding not too long ago and I was absolutely shocked to see a wood water tower on a roof. I had no idea that they were still using wooden water tanks

    • @NickCBax
      @NickCBax Місяць тому

      ​@@scoopydaniels8908 Yup.. And some of them have dead animals, excess algae, bird poop, and the like floating in them..

    • @elenabarskaya7127
      @elenabarskaya7127 7 днів тому

      I don't know, recent 4.8 magnitude earthquake was quite noticeable.

    • @avsystem3142
      @avsystem3142 4 дні тому

      Actually, no. The schist bedrock in NYC is slowly rising since the end of the last ice age when the weight of the ice was removed.

  • @reho7387
    @reho7387 Місяць тому

    I'm guessing that the engineers will figure out a solution. The building in SF that is also sinking/leaning has proven to be a tremendous challenge. Hopefully the outcome in NY will be better.

  • @suekuan1540
    @suekuan1540 Місяць тому +1

    A building in san Francisco has a similar but worst tilt as well.

  • @lifeisgood1488
    @lifeisgood1488 Місяць тому +1

    What I see, engineers and architects are taking too much risk in developing these very tall buildings, ratio height 15 - 1 is extreme.

  • @Freight_Train
    @Freight_Train 4 дні тому

    I've heard of contractors putting a lien on a building, but this is the first I've seen with the building putting a lean on the contractors.

  • @stevec404
    @stevec404 2 місяці тому +8

    Millenium Tower anyone?

  • @ypaulbrown
    @ypaulbrown 2 місяці тому +1

    Tony Soprano got involved with the construction I heard...

  • @stuartmccall5474
    @stuartmccall5474 Місяць тому +2

    Now folks, which is the correct scenario, the One Seaport's Developer used Boeing as their design Consultants, or Boeing used One Seaport's Developers for it's 737 Max programme?

  • @TommyShlong
    @TommyShlong Місяць тому +5

    The original WTC, the new WTC, the World Financial Center and every building in Battery Park City are built on landfill.
    None of them are leaning or sinking due to unstable soil. The developers for all of those buildings had the correct foundations engineered and built.
    The disaster at 161 Maiden is happening because the developers tried to build a foundation that was much less expensive and inferior.

  • @andrewjones9991
    @andrewjones9991 2 місяці тому +5

    I never even knew there was a workaround building skyscrapers on bedrock. I'm surprised more greedy developers haven't tried to do this in other parts of Manhattan. I'm not an engineer or architect but common sense tells you some silty former trash heap isn't a good foundation for a tall skinny building.

    • @volkhen0
      @volkhen0 2 місяці тому +1

      In Warsaw, Poland we don’t have bedrock at all and yet there is plenty of skyscrapers. It’s just engineering problem and there is a solution.

  • @cavius8784
    @cavius8784 22 години тому

    This is the 2nd modern skyscraper that is leaning in America- the other one is Millenium Tower in SF.

  • @jaymo2024
    @jaymo2024 Місяць тому

    First class lever solution is needed here. The center of mass is away from the center that is why it leaning to the north. They need to counterbalance the building since it's heavy on the north side