No. The longer they fight, the more impossible it gets. But trying to go the cheap route in the first place makes the fix much more expensive than if they just went to bedrock all the way around at the start. Now they got the building in the way as well as the half assed foundation in the way. There may not be room enough to work around both, and they may have to drill through some of the concrete they put in place. Which will cost like drilling though solid rock.
The fact that the rather severe issues -- and the causes of those issues -- with the Millennium Tower in San Francisco are very well known makes this here seem even crazier. You'd think someone would say, "We're definitely going to do this the right way and drive piles all the way down to bedrock to avoid something like that from happening here in Manhattan," but apparently not.
I grew up in the Bay Area and vividly remember *earthquakes.* The Transamerica "Pyramid" was genius & made its occupants feel safe. The only people making money on the Millennium Tower are the attorneys.
Bedrock in Manhattan is way the heck down there normally, remember this is reclaimed land meaning they're building on what was once a river bed where bedrock erosion could be hundreds of feet deeper than land that wasn't a product of reclamation.
As an architect I would have gotten fired from this job in the design phase because I would have insisted that the foundation be set in bedrock. I hate cheap clients trying to save a buck instead of doing it the correct way in the first place. Also, these super thin towers defy logic, the structure required to keep them standing is unreal.
@@GSP-76 alternative method means cheaper, cheaper means problems, I run into this all the time, I fight it all the time. Cutting corners means future problems just ask Boeing. Buildings, planes bridges fail because of stupid human hubris.
@@BOBBOB-tx7ox In such a situation it would be better to be fired than go along with it and lose your architect's license and potentially be the defendant in a lawsuit along with the managers.
The additional $6 million to properly prepare the foundation when spread across the cost of units in that building would probably not have affected the occupancy rate. It's an example of pure greed on the part of the developer and it looks good on them that their gamble failed.
You’re right. There were 99 units and spreading $6M among them would have been just over $60K. But hey. Developers needed that extra profit margin to buy their private island.
This isn't a new concept.. At one point in New York history. Entire buildings were going up in flames because builders were trying to save pennies on light bulbs.
@@elizabethwitt2621 I read that the buyer's deposits were returned. I don't think they would have had a mortgage before taking possession of the units, which no one has done.
This issue is the definition of trying to pick up penny’s in front of a steam roller. They tried to save $6m and ended up costing themselves hundreds of millions. Pure greed and stupidity. You’re building a LUXURY tower. Just imagine the other corners they were cutting. I don’t even mean structural/engineering corners, I mean just on the quality of amenity material they were using. I’ve seen a lot of luxury buildings in NYC in my time and their quality has consistently gone down with each decade. It’s the small things, like seams not lining up, grout and sealant cracking, poor building maintenance infrastructure, things like that. But when you’re buying luxury property it’s those little things that matter.
Yes, they should have found some ground video instead of the drone stuff to go with that. But it's all in process of being redone with better river flooding control.
A few years ago a large waterfront convention centre project here in Vancouver was publicly noted as behind schedule in the press, and I happened to remark to a family friend who was an accountant with the crown corporation that was building it, "so, what- they couldn't find bedrock?" And he replied, "how did you know that?"
@@geniferteal4178 Like so many companies, Boeing comes to mind! Accountants run the show and look at profits more than quality and safety. Left to engineers they surely would have opted for safety and gone down to bedrock.
The fact they call this lean 'unforeseen' after knowing they weren't anchoring to bedrock is astounding to me. Anyone who has dealt with foundation issues in their home (myself included) or even built small structures (shed, outbuildings, etc) on soft ground would have predicted this as a potential outcome.
I have discovered that most engineering disasters are caused by some manager going "we could save a bit of money by...." They don't realise that good engineers have already designed the structure to be as cheap as possible, but still meet all of the engineering requirements. Usually the management's cost cutting comes straight out of the structures safety margin.
It may be pricy drilling into bedrock 132 - 166 feet down, but they would have made their money already. They lost hundreds of millions to saved 6 million dollars with that stupid concrete pad idiocy.
In the building next door 181 Maiden Lane most of the piles are driven to “the “point of refusal” with large pile caps. It has not tilted at all in 43 years.
@@McVaio A meter is a unit of length equaling about 39 inches -- slightly longer than a yard. A kilometer is 1,000 meters, about six-tenths of a mile. The metric system is used here in Canada and in Europe. It's kind of a pain. Nobody in Canada asked to switch from the English system of feet, yards, miles, etc. that you use in the U.S. Cheers!
A real good presentation. Everybody from the engineers to the builder to the city planners and inspectors could have prevented this if they were competent. You don't go new and novel on such a building. They saved $6 million with this foundation, but it wound up costing many times more. Fortunately, the only people burned were the filthy rich.
Back then, the people who built the original buildings in NYC, were from a different time and culture, they had more advanced tech then these dummy architects we have today. These modern architects you see taking credit for the construction of these buildings, were not even on earth when they were built. No contemporary architect will ever be able to emulate any of the Tartarian super structures all over the earth.
@DeanStephen You're incorrect, the change in the walkway supports was authorized by the engineering firm going from single rod supports to offset rods with the tension transmitted through a hollow horizontal support which doubled the load on nut on the upper support rod. It was the largest death toll in US history from a building collapse and kept that title until 9/11. The engineers lost their licenses as did the company which failed. There is one interesting fact about the level of corruption in that the entire inspection process for the building took less than an hour so it wasn't so much inspected as just rubber stamped.
@@arabianwarrior7177 Well go fight in an actual battle rather than simply having it as your username mr sad little troll. You throwing shade on someone from behind an alias is even more lame by several orders of magnitude.
considering that the foundation caisons to bedrock was only 6 million, and units sold for over a million... it should have been a no brainer to go for the sure bet and not risk your massive investment.
Thus being the Big Apple, the obvious questions are: Which NY City politicians reaped contributions/favors from the developer? Which NY City building inspectors received favors/jobs from the developer? Which consulting firms received contracts/favors from the developer?
U Mass Amherst built a 26 story library with brick facade. They didn't estimate the weight of the books correctly. When they started to fill it, bricks under compression started blowing off the sides... Their fix was to wrap the entire building in fence 30' away from the building and make one entrance under a covered roof while only using half the floors. There are entire floors with no access and no books. Other floors are empty except cubicles for people to study. On the same campus the residential buildings known as, "the towers" were built in swamp land and have continued to sink since they opened. Over the years they have had to remove and lower the stairs at the entrances to accommodate the new depth of the buildings
@@williamgottlieb8723 yeah but a library serves more than just a book storage area, its a third space, a space for people to simply be in like a park, and even then it could house computers with access to said harddrive
I can't imagine yesterday's earthquake helping the situation of this building. This is what happens when you put upfront cost over long-term understanding of do it right means you do it once. Whatever cost measures to fix the tilt, prevent further tilting, legal fee's and inability to fulfill residence will all be multiple times higher then $7 million to build to bedrock.
I'm not sure how the "unforeseen tilt" wasn't easy to foresee. I'm no engineer and even I know better. Trying to save six million dollars turned out to cost them far more in the long run. I'm honestly surprised that Manhattan doesn't require such heavy highrise buildings to have piles driven all the way down to the bedrock. You'd think that would be something that was very strictly enforced, especially when you consider the soil most of those buildings sit on.
Everybody knows pilings need to go down to bedrock if you build a tower on land created by fill. The owners and engineers on the job were incompetent, crooks, or both. New York had better arrange to remove the structure and do it soon.
There are some places (albeit not here) where bedrock is more than a mile down. New Orleans is such a place. Driving piles to bedrock in those places is simply not possible.
I know nothing about architecture or building but it just seems that cutting corners on the FOUNDATION is really not the way to save expense. I'm shocked that any developer would consider it with a building of that size.
Excuse me, but no building of just 60 stories, only 670 feet tall, can even come anywhere near "dominating New York City's downtown skyline." It ranks 87th. That's like saying some player who's 6'3" dominates the boards in the NBA.
@@theorenhobart Its never that simple with attorneys involved. The soil engineer will take a hit, if the Architect hired the structural engineer and not the owner, then the Architect gets dragged in because it was his consultant. An attorney will try and gather the architect up into this mess one way or another. Somebody is going to be driven out of business. These things take a path of their own, before you know it they will be talking about the structural engineer had something to do with JFK's assassination, I have seen some weird stuff.
Some people won't consider expensive precautions until they are screwed by the shortcuts. Things like this need to happen sometimes in order for others to not be as reckless in similar situations
Corruption. So many regulations and all that, if you live in New York you know everything is regulated. No one ever would give a permit to build something like that without checking on the foundations. Is so obvious developers just gave a huge chunk of money to the city to get the permits.
I actually find comfort in the fact that 3 inches is cause for concern with construction on a building that tall. Sounds like they are on it, unlike another building i know..
Curiously there is no mention of a thorough geologic survey to assess the suitability of building a high-rise tower on anything less than bedrock. From the information provided in this short documentary, it seems obvious the engineers were cutting corners to control cost. The fact that the building began to settle unevenly before it was completed is telling. The design specifications were clearly deeply flawed. I'm a geologist and this is what happens when a building is poorly designed and under engineered. I've read the book about the construction of the Brooklyn bridge written by Stephen Ambrose. That structure which crosses the east river stands as a testament to robust engineering accomplished well before scale models or computer modeling was even a pipe dream. It was the world's longest suspension bridge for twenty years.
Fact is, this is among the hideous buildings to curse New York’s contemporary skyline. It might fit perfectly well in Miami or even the Upper East Side, but among the array of downtown’s office towers and the Seaport, it’s a blight. It’s gratifying to see the developers take a bath on this one.
I’ve been in a really high tower this small before in thailand. On the top floor I could feel the building moving in the wind. The windows were installed so poorly that the wind just flew through the edges making this terrible wind noice. Unfortunately I paid for that room for 3 nights but I’ve only stayed there for 10 minutes. Later I went to the mahanakhon building, that was a really nice tower.
Really quite exemplary work explaining the nut and bolts of why this modern day debacle is unfolding. But this is only prelude to the back story of greed and power that afflicts NYC. This is no leaning tower of Pisa because this will not end well at all. When I was born there in the fifties, it was the greatest city in the world. Not anymore.
The bible verse about building your house on sand comes to mind. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.....the difference between wisdom and knowledge.
0:36 - NO Structural Engineers whatsoever were left "scratching their heads" - this is level 101 of what not to do, that even Civil Engineers should know about.
It has a flexible foundation, genius. Leaning is just the start. The wind will wiggle it till it falls over. Time to tear down, build foundation on bedrock, and make it twice as wide to strengthen the structure.
Trump constructors would underbid, not pay their subcontractors, and then file for bankruptcy while throwing every delaying tactic known to the legal profession. This project is made for the likes of Trump.
@@Ray__Eare you in the USA totally in denial of what stuff Biden does that us in the rest of the world see on our media. The man is literally senile asking to met peoples that have been dead for years or stopping in the middle of speeches looking lost? Is your media covering for him that much?
0:24 If the tower was visibly tilting (to someone's perspective with just their bare eyes), the tower would have collapsed a long time ago. The Millennium Tower in SF has a far more concerning tilt, yet it is not possible to see the tilt with just your eyes.
Millenium tower isn't nearly as skinny (lower aspect ratio) as this building. A small lean is much more likely to be catastrophic especially as the lean is to the North across the narrower part of the building. This building will have to be demoed - and without implosion. That will cost $50+ M. The only question is when that will happen and who will pay for it.
As an automotive tech. I'll tell you. Engineers think and act like they're the smartest people around who make no mistakes in their design. Until as a tech i point out how they lack common sense. This building for example, we accounted for the twist, we didn't account for weight distribution. Something related to me, when this condition occurs by the customers complaint, replace this part. Me, how do you duplicate? Them, you can't but it a known issue for a year. Also me, spends 20 min on vehicle, figures out how to force duplication of complaint. Them, how? Me, by active test of this part, it is closest to this series of parts, use and build up clogs the first of the series of ports in the failed part you said to replace. Service bulletin two days later.
3" is not too much of lining. Edit second like in case of Millenium tower of SF after battle all are generals. Structural engineering is not an exact science. You do the best what you can. They tried something new and it didn't work.
Now folks, which is the correct scenario, the One Seaport's Developer used Boeing as their design Consultants, or Boeing used One Seaport's Developers for it's 737 Max programme?
@@TomMcinerney-g9b : Good to hear that. I'm sure the families of those that died in the two crashes associated with faulty control software and also the lady sucked out of a window when an engine component failure punctured her window are mightily relieved to hear that the Company can blame the failures on someone else. There was a time when main Contractors took legal primary responsibility for the correct selection of components / parts and systems from their sub Contractors, like the previous battery issue where sourced batteries had the inconvenient habit of going on fire on a regular basis, much to the concern of the punters travelling in the back, not to mention the crew. This Company has lost it's way, but is probably a beacon of DEI, so all is not lost".
One line from the Wikipedia article stands out: The developer “hired the Italian firm Pizzarotti as general contractor, likely in part because of Pizzarotti's low rates.” The Esplanade gang has entered the chat.
There is a slim tower built in Italy that started to lean from the vertical during construction. The contractor carried on with the build and corrected for the lean as the tower rose. The tower was completed with a distinct banana bend and continued to lean. Millions have been spent to prevent total collapse. I don’t think 181 Maiden lane will have the same tourist appeal as Pisa
When they were building the Mandalay CAsino hotel in Las Vegas, it began to settle in the center, dropping 18 inches, they hired engineers from the East to shore it up at a great cost.
The money now being spent on repairs, adjustments and legal fee's will easily exceed what it would have cost to go to bed rock. This building by its slender design needed to go to bed rock but instead was entrusted to some sort of "floating" foundation. If you need an example of poor judgement this is it.
I never even knew there was a workaround building skyscrapers on bedrock. I'm surprised more greedy developers haven't tried to do this in other parts of Manhattan. I'm not an engineer or architect but common sense tells you some silty former trash heap isn't a good foundation for a tall skinny building.
A nightmare for New York, will this ever get fixed?
its fubar, in my eyes atleast
No. The longer they fight, the more impossible it gets. But trying to go the cheap route in the first place makes the fix much more expensive than if they just went to bedrock all the way around at the start. Now they got the building in the way as well as the half assed foundation in the way. There may not be room enough to work around both, and they may have to drill through some of the concrete they put in place. Which will cost like drilling though solid rock.
All they need to do is change the name of the tower to East Pisa Tower.
No.
It'll get fixed when they tear it down and build something practical on the site.. something drilled solidly into the Bedrock
The fact that the rather severe issues -- and the causes of those issues -- with the Millennium Tower in San Francisco are very well known makes this here seem even crazier. You'd think someone would say, "We're definitely going to do this the right way and drive piles all the way down to bedrock to avoid something like that from happening here in Manhattan," but apparently not.
its called a problem not issue
@@thomasbrunn4182I think defence attorneys call problems "issues."
I grew up in the Bay Area and vividly remember *earthquakes.* The Transamerica "Pyramid" was genius & made its occupants feel safe. The only people making money on the Millennium Tower are the attorneys.
Bedrock in Manhattan is way the heck down there normally, remember this is reclaimed land meaning they're building on what was once a river bed where bedrock erosion could be hundreds of feet deeper than land that wasn't a product of reclamation.
@@douglaswilkinson5700 ... or "challenges".😆
As an architect I would have gotten fired from this job in the design phase because I would have insisted that the foundation be set in bedrock. I hate cheap clients trying to save a buck instead of doing it the correct way in the first place. Also, these super thin towers defy logic, the structure required to keep them standing is unreal.
They knew the issue right from the start...they collectively used an alternative method...just didn't work out.
@@GSP-76 alternative method means cheaper, cheaper means problems, I run into this all the time, I fight it all the time. Cutting corners means future problems just ask Boeing. Buildings, planes bridges fail because of stupid human hubris.
@@BOBBOB-tx7ox In such a situation it would be better to be fired than go along with it and lose your architect's license and potentially be the defendant in a lawsuit along with the managers.
@@Anon54387 yes, you are correct
We drove H piles for bridges 100' 2 piece welded together it was simple
They took the risk for the 6 million additional return. Now the risk is being realized.
It's called Cost Cutting the Boeing way.
Very wise my friend
The additional $6 million to properly prepare the foundation when spread across the cost of units in that building would probably not have affected the occupancy rate. It's an example of pure greed on the part of the developer and it looks good on them that their gamble failed.
You’re right. There were 99 units and spreading $6M among them would have been just over $60K. But hey. Developers needed that extra profit margin to buy their private island.
@@ClarkBK67 - you never know this fiasco could have been finaced by your retiremnet fund...
What about the buyers of these condos? Are they still on the hook for the mortgage because the building isn't finished or safe?
This isn't a new concept.. At one point in New York history. Entire buildings were going up in flames because builders were trying to save pennies on light bulbs.
@@elizabethwitt2621 I read that the buyer's deposits were returned. I don't think they would have had a mortgage before taking possession of the units, which no one has done.
finally someone admitting that 3 inches is a lot
😆
As my nan always said, add one inch to the end of your nose and everyone will notice. LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hopefully it's not a grower.
LOL
“Caissons to bedrock”. Three words that would have saved the building. I learned those three words 50 years ago in architecture school. Damn.
After battle all are generals.
And it only saved 6 million doing it the cheaper way. In this context 6M isn’t that much money.
Architects are not educated enough to oversee crooked contractors and shady structural engineers > always get a second opinion
@@zell863 Lessons not learned. Or not learned from others experience. You don't have to be a general to be a skillful observer.
@@JosephOlson-ld2td You don't know the right architects. But I agree on a second opinion.
All the high tech computer designs and engineering, but the ones built in the 30s with guys throwing hot rivets are still standing strong.
And slide rules too.
💯💯💯 I used to work in the Empire State Building. It's a work of art.
it is goodfoundation not the rivits. The need foundation to bedrock.
Then go look for yourself 🤥
Well, the ones that didn't get torn down.
Those ultra-thin skyscrapers freak me out.
Me too - they just look like they don't have a wide enough base to remain upright for long.
it does my head in, how can they build so high with such a comparably small foundations, but they can do it.
Skyscrapers are getting thinner while people are getting fatter.
I watched videos saying they creek loudly during windy days.
They should have consulted SEA where technology of such are a science.
This issue is the definition of trying to pick up penny’s in front of a steam roller.
They tried to save $6m and ended up costing themselves hundreds of millions. Pure greed and stupidity. You’re building a LUXURY tower. Just imagine the other corners they were cutting. I don’t even mean structural/engineering corners, I mean just on the quality of amenity material they were using. I’ve seen a lot of luxury buildings in NYC in my time and their quality has consistently gone down with each decade. It’s the small things, like seams not lining up, grout and sealant cracking, poor building maintenance infrastructure, things like that. But when you’re buying luxury property it’s those little things that matter.
"A scenic esplanade bustling with walkers and cyclists"
Shows elevated highway
It's East Side Highway. Should be torn down ..
Must be a retirement esplanade with seniors either on walkers or wheelchairs.
Yeah but you can see over the top the higher you go.
There's actually a bike path and restaurants and eateries up under that freeway.
Yes, they should have found some ground video instead of the drone stuff to go with that. But it's all in process of being redone with better river flooding control.
A few years ago a large waterfront convention centre project here in Vancouver was publicly noted as behind schedule in the press, and I happened to remark to a family friend who was an accountant with the crown corporation that was building it, "so, what- they couldn't find bedrock?" And he replied, "how did you know that?"
That $6 million is looking cheep now.
Just only
I was thinking that anyway over the cost of the whole project.
@@geniferteal4178
Like so many companies, Boeing comes to mind! Accountants run the show and look at profits more than quality and safety. Left to engineers they surely would have opted for safety and gone down to bedrock.
You don't know cheap
No kidding. The legal fees alone will prob cost more.
Who would have thought that geology wins EVERY time
Gravity also.
My dad taught us that there are only 3 laws, and they all have to do with physics. Everything else is a suggestion, at best.
Water always wins too.
Especially with flooding.
This problem reminds me of a similar problem with the Millenium Tower in downtown San Francisco.
The leaning tower of San Francisco.
Engineers can't fix that, either.
Yup, but it's the City of Sewage!!
@@jumperstartfulwhich one? San Francisco or New York?
One major difference is that this never got occupied while the Millennium Tower did.
The fact they call this lean 'unforeseen' after knowing they weren't anchoring to bedrock is astounding to me. Anyone who has dealt with foundation issues in their home (myself included) or even built small structures (shed, outbuildings, etc) on soft ground would have predicted this as a potential outcome.
That's because, and I bet my left tseticle on it, there's at least a dozen jews involved.
should have spent the $6mil on the foundations to bedrock. DOH!!!
They opted for this nightmare to save 6 million? That's insane 😂 i assumed the extra cost would be 20-25 million
Penny wise, pound foolish.
I find myself most impressed by whomever repelled down and painted the graffiti on the top 8 floors shown at 9:03.
Yup, they screwed up. Saw the cost, went cheap. The cost wasn't even that much 166 feet is done all the time.
It seems with these tall, thin towers that going the extra mile with foundation prep would be a no brainer
I have discovered that most engineering disasters are caused by some manager going "we could save a bit of money by...." They don't realise that good engineers have already designed the structure to be as cheap as possible, but still meet all of the engineering requirements. Usually the management's cost cutting comes straight out of the structures safety margin.
It is always about saving money. An engineered solution that works is called it works and cheaper.
It's now known as the Stockton Rush school of engineering thought. "If it hasn't worked for 1000 years due to "rules" break those rules!"
@@infrasleep - On the other hand, just about every great STEM innovation is created by breaking the rules.
@@infrasleep Engineering advances.
Always
It may be pricy drilling into bedrock 132 - 166 feet down, but they would have made their money already. They lost hundreds of millions to saved 6 million dollars with that stupid concrete pad idiocy.
I wonder how much they will pay in legal fees. Over $6M?
The executives lost no money.
@@janbaer3241Which ones?
In the building next door 181 Maiden Lane most of the piles are driven to “the “point of refusal” with large pile caps. It has not tilted at all in 43 years.
that buildign is also fat as shit
you would rather have problems in beams and slabs than foundations and columns.
Incorrect, they are not driven plies. They are large diameter drilled shafts socketed into bedrock by several meters.
@@basilguts1786 What's a meter?
@@McVaio A meter is a unit of length equaling about 39 inches -- slightly longer than a yard. A kilometer is 1,000 meters, about six-tenths of a mile. The metric system is used here in Canada and in Europe. It's kind of a pain. Nobody in Canada asked to switch from the English system of feet, yards, miles, etc. that you use in the U.S. Cheers!
I go by this building almost weekly and it always scares me when I look up at it, I just hope it never falls.
Good video. There's nothing more expensive than cutting costs. Time in and time out people still make that mistake.
A real good presentation. Everybody from the engineers to the builder to the city planners and inspectors could have prevented this if they were competent. You don't go new and novel on such a building. They saved $6 million with this foundation, but it wound up costing many times more. Fortunately, the only people burned were the filthy rich.
payole
180 Maiden built 40+ years ago never has any of these foundation problems ... because back then, we knew how to build.
The Hyatt regency construction didn’t do so well 40 years ago in Missouri
Back then, the people who built the original buildings in NYC, were from a different time and culture, they had more advanced tech then these dummy architects we have today. These modern architects you see taking credit for the construction of these buildings, were not even on earth when they were built. No contemporary architect will ever be able to emulate any of the Tartarian super structures all over the earth.
@@rb5174Totally different issue. Plus, that was a result of an unauthorised change by the contractor.
@@NOMOone you mean architects are structural engineers in the US?
@DeanStephen
You're incorrect, the change in the walkway supports was authorized by the engineering firm going from single rod supports to offset rods with the tension transmitted through a hollow horizontal support which doubled the load on nut on the upper support rod. It was the largest death toll in US history from a building collapse and kept that title until 9/11. The engineers lost their licenses as did the company which failed. There is one interesting fact about the level of corruption in that the entire inspection process for the building took less than an hour so it wasn't so much inspected as just rubber stamped.
I saw a video recently about a luxury tower in San Francisco that is also sinking. A very similar situation of a building on unstable land.
greed takes a SMACK here
Every leaning building I have read about has 1 common theme - Not Anchored to Bedrock
Greed Before Safety.
well go open a construction business and do it better instead of virtue signal on the internet mrs. phillips. that stuff is lame.
@@TheInvertedFollicle507 I take your replying to the Other Reply??
@@arabianwarrior7177 Well go fight in an actual battle rather than simply having it as your username mr sad little troll. You throwing shade on someone from behind an alias is even more lame by several orders of magnitude.
@@craigphillips3189 yeah my mistake corrected now
@@TheInvertedFollicle507 < look another unsuccessful person. enjoy whining on the internet.
I remember when they proposed this building.. I thought they are out of their minds due to the underground
considering that the foundation caisons to bedrock was only 6 million, and units sold for over a million... it should have been a no brainer to go for the sure bet and not risk your massive investment.
The builder wanted to pocket that money, that’s the problem 🤷🏻♂️
Hindsight is always 20/20 cheaper.
just because they sell for 1 million doesnt mean its all profit... but now its a loss for sure
That would require the developers and anyone else involved to have ethics.
Exactly handsome 😊😊
Well THIS answers a lot of questions about that empty oddball. Thanks!
3 inches is nothing, Mllennium tower in San Francisco Lean 29 inches on one corner of the building
Until it falls.
The Frisco tower is leaning to the left.
@@jeffarchibald3837all of Frisco leans to the Left. The Extreme Left.
@@xr6lad the extreme left is communism, yet the core of its problems is unrestrained capitalism
Ya just got to love these people that know everything. Go fix the problem then...
Wow, this is incredible. Thank you for this!
Thus being the Big Apple, the obvious questions are:
Which NY City politicians reaped contributions/favors from the developer?
Which NY City building inspectors received favors/jobs from the developer?
Which consulting firms received contracts/favors from the developer?
There is a Kojak episode circa 1975 ish exposing exactly how it gets done!
Who is the developer?
These are excellent questions.
I would NOT be comfortable living in a skyscraper that skinny. The whole thing looks ready to topple at any moment.
U Mass Amherst built a 26 story library with brick facade. They didn't estimate the weight of the books correctly. When they started to fill it, bricks under compression started blowing off the sides... Their fix was to wrap the entire building in fence 30' away from the building and make one entrance under a covered roof while only using half the floors. There are entire floors with no access and no books. Other floors are empty except cubicles for people to study.
On the same campus the residential buildings known as, "the towers" were built in swamp land and have continued to sink since they opened. Over the years they have had to remove and lower the stairs at the entrances to accommodate the new depth of the buildings
The information from all of those books that needed a 26-story building to house it could probably fit on a single hard drive today.
26 stories of brick? That's ridiculous!
@@williamgottlieb8723 yeah but a library serves more than just a book storage area, its a third space, a space for people to simply be in like a park, and even then it could house computers with access to said harddrive
the Towers were a terrible place....
Ain't gravity great!!!
I can't imagine yesterday's earthquake helping the situation of this building. This is what happens when you put upfront cost over long-term understanding of do it right means you do it once.
Whatever cost measures to fix the tilt, prevent further tilting, legal fee's and inability to fulfill residence will all be multiple times higher then $7 million to build to bedrock.
I rather have a 100 plus acres of land in the country with a modest log cabin any day instead of living there.
I will second that statement. You will not get me up in one of those towers except in a straight jacket and chains.
@@michaelcauser474 lol! 😂
It makes them feel special to be able to say they live in that shithole of a city!
Yet here we are enjoying the technology of the internet
Not if you had a job in Manhattan that you to commute to every day from your log cabin in the mountains.
I'm not sure how the "unforeseen tilt" wasn't easy to foresee. I'm no engineer and even I know better. Trying to save six million dollars turned out to cost them far more in the long run. I'm honestly surprised that Manhattan doesn't require such heavy highrise buildings to have piles driven all the way down to the bedrock. You'd think that would be something that was very strictly enforced, especially when you consider the soil most of those buildings sit on.
It is leaning towards the Millennium Tower obviously.
I thought it was leaning north.
If you are at the exact North Pole, any leaning in any direction, will be towards south.
Imagine if major earthquakes were possible like in San Francisco’s 1906 earthquake!
@@mitchellbarnow1709San Francisco also had bad earthquakes in 1989 and 1994.
Those two earthquakes were moderate on the Richter scale and 1906 was a major earthquake. Yes, they are all horrible to experience.
I think this is a perfect opportunity for aluminum siding.
The combustible cladding type? Sure, why stop at one problem
good one
Vinyl.
@@Hugin-N-Munin IT WAS A JOKE
😂😂😂😂garden state brick face!
Everybody knows pilings need to go down to bedrock if you build a tower on land created by fill. The owners and engineers on the job were incompetent, crooks, or both. New York had better arrange to remove the structure and do it soon.
Don’t even have to be a civil engineer to know this.
There are some places (albeit not here) where bedrock is more than a mile down. New Orleans is such a place. Driving piles to bedrock in those places is simply not possible.
@@OlDoinyo Don't build skyscrapers there
Don't put engineers on blast. They knew this too, but they're not allowed to say no to the guy in charge.
Someone died because no one wanted to be a man and say no to this nonsense.
I know nothing about architecture or building but it just seems that cutting corners on the FOUNDATION is really not the way to save expense. I'm shocked that any developer would consider it with a building of that size.
Yeah with a project this size and the amount of money involved cutting corners with the foundations to save a measly 6mil seems pretty dumb.
Excuse me, but no building of just 60 stories, only 670 feet tall, can even come anywhere near "dominating New York City's downtown skyline." It ranks 87th.
That's like saying some player who's 6'3" dominates the boards in the NBA.
Chuck is about 6’4 so close 🙂
6'3" is pretty tall. I definitely dominate the top cupboards in my house.
The city should be.
Responsible for approving the blueprints and the designs.
Great idea - the know-all, efficient, competency of government bureaucracy is the solution to all problems in life
This city is never responsible
whomever put their engineering stamp on the design is fully responsible
@@theorenhobart Its never that simple with attorneys involved. The soil engineer will take a hit, if the Architect hired the structural engineer and not the owner, then the Architect gets dragged in because it was his consultant. An attorney will try and gather the architect up into this mess one way or another. Somebody is going to be driven out of business. These things take a path of their own, before you know it they will be talking about the structural engineer had something to do with JFK's assassination, I have seen some weird stuff.
Some people won't consider expensive precautions until they are screwed by the shortcuts. Things like this need to happen sometimes in order for others to not be as reckless in similar situations
They could have saved themselves 6 million headaches when they just embedded the foundation into the bedrock.
3 inches ain't so bad... It's All in how you use it!
They can balance this over time choosing the fatties to live on the other side.
Sure
We'll take you word for it.
Will it stop at 3 inches?
*Howard Roark is the only architect that could fix this.*
They would never hire him because he makes too much sense.
😂😂😂😂
It's a shame. I think the building design is stunning. A great looking heap.
Corruption. So many regulations and all that, if you live in New York you know everything is regulated. No one ever would give a permit to build something like that without checking on the foundations. Is so obvious developers just gave a huge chunk of money to the city to get the permits.
I actually find comfort in the fact that 3 inches is cause for concern with construction on a building that tall. Sounds like they are on it, unlike another building i know..
its not at full weight either, plus you have to add the weight of residential furniture/belongings etc
Over tIme its no gonna say 3 inches,Subsidence.
Thank you for the great video
Neglected and abandoned building: squatters, what are you waiting for?
Great place to store our current flux of permanent visitors
New homeless shelter to house all the homeless in NYC
Waiting for ladders, I guess
Today's squatters are very choosy - they look for bedrock first !
The entire island of Manhattan is rapidly starting to look like “I Am Legend” movie set.
Even the Bible talks about building your house on sand instead of rock.😂
A house. Not a high rise!
The hubris of man knows no bounds.
"even" is right.
Nah man in Matthew 16:18 Jesus says, "Thou art Peter (Petros means "rock"), and upon this rock I shall build my church."
Curiously there is no mention of a thorough geologic survey to assess the suitability of building a high-rise tower on anything less than bedrock. From the information provided in this short documentary, it seems obvious the engineers were cutting corners to control cost. The fact that the building began to settle unevenly before it was completed is telling. The design specifications were clearly deeply flawed. I'm a geologist and this is what happens when a building is poorly designed and under engineered. I've read the book about the construction of the Brooklyn bridge written by Stephen Ambrose. That structure which crosses the east river stands as a testament to robust engineering accomplished well before scale models or computer modeling was even a pipe dream. It was the world's longest suspension bridge for twenty years.
Can they attach it to the big building next to it to help hold it straight?
Like they did in Idiocracy.
Can they attach it to the big building next to it to help hold it straight?
🤣🤣🤣
Fact is, this is among the hideous buildings to curse New York’s contemporary skyline. It might fit perfectly well in Miami or even the Upper East Side, but among the array of downtown’s office towers and the Seaport, it’s a blight. It’s gratifying to see the developers take a bath on this one.
In Miami with the sea corrosion, all buildings are in danger !
The center of gravity moves toward the tilt. Is it tilting or rotating very slowly?
Because all new condos built after 2015 cut corners like crazy and use very cheap materials. It's a no-brainer.
“They moved the headstones but they never moved the bodies! THEY NEVER MOVED THE BODIES!!!”
I bet you CDI (Controlled Demolition Inc.) could fix it quick!
I’ve been in a really high tower this small before in thailand. On the top floor I could feel the building moving in the wind. The windows were installed so poorly that the wind just flew through the edges making this terrible wind noice. Unfortunately I paid for that room for 3 nights but I’ve only stayed there for 10 minutes. Later I went to the mahanakhon building, that was a really nice tower.
Doesn’t matter, nobody is gonna wanna live in New York City in the next year or two. Mad Max.
Who would want to live there and be trapped in that tower....no thanks...
Stupid cost cut, thanks for the video
The Millenium Towner in San Francisco is leaning 10 times as much as it's full of residents. Why is 3 inchs that bad? Do they expect it to continue?
The glass windows weren't fitting
I sure do love the historic waterfront over the modern nasty towers.... Sad to see so many such areas being gentrified...
It would have only added $6 million to the total to have a sturdy foundation? Sounds like they could have afforded to do that.
But they were saving money.
🤔 I wonder how all of those high priced lawyers are making out?
Really quite exemplary work explaining the nut and bolts of why this modern day debacle is unfolding. But this is only prelude to the back story of greed and power that afflicts NYC. This is no leaning tower of Pisa because this will not end well at all. When I was born there in the fifties, it was the greatest city in the world. Not anymore.
The bible verse about building your house on sand comes to mind. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.....the difference between wisdom and knowledge.
0:36 - NO Structural Engineers whatsoever were left "scratching their heads" - this is level 101 of what not to do, that even Civil Engineers should know about.
“Landfill” is the great metaphor for western society.
I live on landfill on the west side. A lot of NYC is landfill.
It has a flexible foundation, genius. Leaning is just the start. The wind will wiggle it till it falls over. Time to tear down, build foundation on bedrock, and make it twice as wide to strengthen the structure.
The Bush & Cheny Demolition Company could easily fix it. 😅
Thy need to take it down before it falls down.
Trump constructors would underbid, not pay their subcontractors, and then file for bankruptcy while throwing every delaying tactic known to the legal profession. This project is made for the likes of Trump.
@@rdmorris1947 And Biden would just drool and ask to play with his Legos
@@RoadKing65that'll be trump. The guy can't even hold a cup of water with one hand. Just like a toddler
@@Ray__Eare you in the USA totally in denial of what stuff Biden does that us in the rest of the world see on our media. The man is literally senile asking to met peoples that have been dead for years or stopping in the middle of speeches looking lost? Is your media covering for him that much?
The tree with deepest roots remains standing after the storm.
0:24 If the tower was visibly tilting (to someone's perspective with just their bare eyes), the tower would have collapsed a long time ago. The Millennium Tower in SF has a far more concerning tilt, yet it is not possible to see the tilt with just your eyes.
Millenium tower isn't nearly as skinny (lower aspect ratio) as this building. A small lean is much more likely to be catastrophic especially as the lean is to the North across the narrower part of the building. This building will have to be demoed - and without implosion. That will cost $50+ M. The only question is when that will happen and who will pay for it.
@@danielwalker6653 - if contrcator files bankruptcy and disaprears.. the people that own the lot will have to sell it cheap
I drive past this building and I can't see the lean.
When site is cleared, it will be a nice plot for a bungalow👍
Millenium Tower anyone?
As an automotive tech. I'll tell you. Engineers think and act like they're the smartest people around who make no mistakes in their design. Until as a tech i point out how they lack common sense. This building for example, we accounted for the twist, we didn't account for weight distribution. Something related to me, when this condition occurs by the customers complaint, replace this part. Me, how do you duplicate? Them, you can't but it a known issue for a year.
Also me, spends 20 min on vehicle, figures out how to force duplication of complaint. Them, how?
Me, by active test of this part, it is closest to this series of parts, use and build up clogs the first of the series of ports in the failed part you said to replace.
Service bulletin two days later.
3" is not too much of lining. Edit second like in case of Millenium tower of SF after battle all are generals. Structural engineering is not an exact science. You do the best what you can. They tried something new and it didn't work.
"They tried something new and it didn't work."
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What an understatement ...
How much does it cost to take a building like that apart?
New York was jealous of San Francisco's leaning Millennium Tower, so they built their own.
This reminds me of that leaning building in San Fransisco.
They cut corners on the foundation too.
No Thank you.. I wouldn’t go there even to visit
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It's built on land flll..I watched it being filled in when I lived near there in an old office building..30 years ago
Now folks, which is the correct scenario, the One Seaport's Developer used Boeing as their design Consultants, or Boeing used One Seaport's Developers for it's 737 Max programme?
Boeing had an issue with outsourced SW development; they have issues with production QA ... but their designs are yet OK.
@@TomMcinerney-g9b : Good to hear that. I'm sure the families of those that died in the two crashes associated with faulty control software and also the lady sucked out of a window when an engine component failure punctured her window are mightily relieved to hear that the Company can blame the failures on someone else. There was a time when main Contractors took legal primary responsibility for the correct selection of components / parts and systems from their sub Contractors, like the previous battery issue where sourced batteries had the inconvenient habit of going on fire on a regular basis, much to the concern of the punters travelling in the back, not to mention the crew. This Company has lost it's way, but is probably a beacon of DEI, so all is not lost".
Same I Melbourne Australia the rialto tower , all underground carports were filled with concrete
One line from the Wikipedia article stands out: The developer “hired the Italian firm Pizzarotti as general contractor, likely in part because of Pizzarotti's low rates.”
The Esplanade gang has entered the chat.
The Leaning Tower of Pizzarotti
Wait a minute!Tower-Pizza-Leaning.Who saw that coming?
There is a slim tower built in Italy that started to lean from the vertical during construction. The contractor carried on with the build and corrected for the lean as the tower rose. The tower was completed with a distinct banana bend and continued to lean. Millions have been spent to prevent total collapse. I don’t think 181 Maiden lane will have the same tourist appeal as Pisa
From New York leaning tower to San Francisco leaning towers, If I ever build a skyscraper I will insist it be down to bedrock
When they were building the Mandalay CAsino hotel in Las Vegas, it began to settle in the center, dropping 18 inches, they hired engineers from the East to shore it up at a great cost.
It should be the main question of all potential high rise buyers: "Sir, does you foundation reach bedrock?" - "No" - "Good day, sir"
A building in san Francisco has a similar but worst tilt as well.
The money now being spent on repairs, adjustments and legal fee's will easily exceed what it would have cost to go to bed rock. This building by its slender design needed to go to bed rock but instead was entrusted to some sort of "floating" foundation. If you need an example of poor judgement this is it.
I wonder how/why this was not intercepted and corrected by City officials given its potential for danger to citizens?
Good American engineers! Just words and show off. Like moon landing also.
Is that why everyone comes to American universities to study science, engineering, and medicine?
I never even knew there was a workaround building skyscrapers on bedrock. I'm surprised more greedy developers haven't tried to do this in other parts of Manhattan. I'm not an engineer or architect but common sense tells you some silty former trash heap isn't a good foundation for a tall skinny building.
In Warsaw, Poland we don’t have bedrock at all and yet there is plenty of skyscrapers. It’s just engineering problem and there is a solution.
I wanna know who tagged the top of that building!! Quite the impressive spray paint job