Everything Wrong With Spider-Man: No Way Home in 27 Minutes Or Less
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Spider-Man: No Way Home made so much money it's hard to even fathom. People got to see three beloved superhero characters on screen together and that was enough for most people. Not us. We saw the sins within.
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"Hey Dr.Strange, could you make everyone forget Mysterio's message?" "Sure" THE END
is it even Matters Bro???
obviously Mysterio is Still alive
@@manonthewall10 how is Mysterio still alive? Pretty sure after the attack that they clean the place and took his body and confirms his death, otherwise Parker would know he's still alive.
@@manonthewall10 what? We know he’s dead
What would the other 2 hours of the movie be about then? Lol
DAAAAMN, I didn't think about that
The real sin (missed opportunity) not having J. Jonah Jameson freaking out and not having a mental breakdown after seeing 3 Spider-Man in the same universe.
Here before the comment blows up 🗿
Agreed!
would’ve been too hard to retcon tbh when everything is reversed
so f**king true!
I'm very confused because your comment is from 13 hours ago and I'm being told the video is from 5 minutes ago. Are you a time traveler?
An overlooked great Andrew moment: when Electro is telling him he thought he'd be black, Andrew has such a super genuine apology, "oh, man, I'm sorry..." like it's somehow his fault he's not black and that let Electro down is so wholesome and hilarious.
To bubble heads yes. The rest of us going...Max, you don't know Peter Parker from Peter Pan so...why are you even here?
“ Max, Maaaaaxxx. ”
i wish black panther was white too
@@chokamilk272 How would that make any sense when Wakanda and the black Panther tradition are AFRICAN 🤦♀️
@@purplebean8989that’s a joke
I feel like there should have been a sin for Strange getting mad at Peter even though it was HIS idea to make everyone forget Peter is Spider-Man
They are in the impossible position of having both characters act stupid, so their method of distracting the audience is to have the audience blame the 'other guy'.
_Parker! You messed up my brainwash the world spell_ - Strange.
_Hey that's not what i asked you to do - I asked you to turn back time._ - Peter
_You know we don't have the stones anymore!_ - Strange
_Well...the audience knows, but...I can at least have you remind them of why you can't do that!_ - Peter
_You also know that even if I had the time stone, which I don't, and even if I could revert time for THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, which I can't.....that it is evil to turn back time just because you want to keep your secret identity, don't you?_ - Strange
_Sure I know that, but...the audience doesn't!_ - Peter 🤣
@@summertyme5748😂
in his defense wouldn't you assume Peter had tried everything else BEFORE jumping to fucking TIME TRAVEL as a solution?
@@TheMeta141 Good point, but I wouldn't change the entire planet to suit my own convenience. Use social media to at least help your friends . Couldn't Happy help? Stark is a hero to the world, his protégé Peter would at least be listened to
Classic hubris
I love that this movie confirms J. Jonah Jameson’s obsession with Spiderman is so strong and genuine, he’s the same exact person in every universe no matter what Spiderman does 😂
He's a non-powered nexus being 🤷🏻♂️
Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them!
Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants!
Have a blessed day, everyone!!! ❤
@@Call_Upon_YAH FFS I thought you were making a spiderman joke, nah you just christian
J Jonah on this movie combined with his character in the recent Spider-Man games had me cracking up every time he said something. Like this dude may be one of my favorite characters in media now.
In the 90s Spiderman series they once showed a universe with a Spiderman that had a high tech armor suit. And I think in that universe Jameson was a friend of that Spiderman.
But I haven't seen that in years so I'm not sure.
Andrew Garfield catching MJ, and crying when she asks if he is okay was easily the best thing in this movie.
That’s the scene that breaks me
@@jaymikesmovienites3452 felt too quick in my opinion
Yeah, that was great
@@X_479 I’m sorry. It was the perfect length. Just the look he gave had so much behind it. It’s to me way more powerful than aunt may dying. One of the highlights of the Amazing Spider-Man movies was his and Gwen’s chemistry. So when she died it was pretty sad. So seeing him catch her hits me in the feels
Get a tear everytime it happens
All three Spider-Men swinging together and doing that gorgeous pose together should've removed like 10 sins. And their banter and convos were adorable and amazing
That was trash fan service and did nothing for the story
@@jobnieloliva5358excuse me; w h a t
@@jobnieloliva5358 you're trash fan service and do nothing for the story
I know. I just watched it and dug that part. Lovely way to incorporate all of them together....
@@EpicQibliFan no…he has a point. I couldn’t stop rolling my eyes when all three of them were on screen.
In the big fight, Sandman wanted the box to push the button. He didn't want to destroy it like Electro. Spider-Man didn't want to give the box to Sandman because he wanted to "cure" everyone first.
Max could have destroyed the box with his electricity easily. But he doesn't. Instead he asks for others to give it to him. lol. What is he going to smash it with a rock or something? lol.
Sandman also wants to be cured and he wants to go home. But he is fighting Spiderman who is trying to help him, and working with the villains who want to destroy the box.
Note: Don't try to pretend it's not a plot hole *Sandman is with the villains and they attack the SpiderMen together.* Why? It makes about as much sense as Spiderman suddenly deciding to fight with Thanos and against the Avengers. lol.
The Villains are the only thing stopping him from going back home.
Also supposedly if he isn't cured he will die. Remember? So he wants to be cured too right? lol. Nice try though, but this film only works if you are smoking weed and can't remember what happened even 5 minutes ago.
I love that a genuine sin is taken off just for Andrew Garfield being himself
Word
Word by word copied from a comment made just 8 hours ago. Why do you even bother to do that? Really, why?
@Baris K it's a bot, there's been loads in this comment section reposting positive comments?!
Who is that dude
Xavier who your profile pic
I can answer the Venom question. At the end of Let There Be Carnage, Venom explains to Eddie that the symbiotes share a hive mind across the multiverse. When trying to show him this, the two are suddenly pulled into the MCU, where Venom recognises Spiderman on a TV. To me, that says he was able to access the memories of Topher Grace's Venom, and that's how he knew Peter Parker was Spiderman.
What about Electro?
CinemasSins knows this. They literally sinned Venom 2 a month or so ago. They’re just scraping the bottom of the barrel for sins.
With the explanation at the end of Venom, yes, they could have been pulled in too. I thought it was a hive, but not a multi verse hive. Still makes sense in universe
@@darthdenn1s it's a throwaway line in the movie, but he says he became part of the grid absorbing data just before he died. That must be how he found it. Every villain seems to have been pulled from the moment they found out
@@cameronhodgetts920 That's just a theory mate (almost like all of the comments on here, even yours) it's not what was given. It's just one of many (be it minor) plot issues that no one probably even considered until after the fact.
well peter's gf, aunt and best friend are an exception to the spell, thus pulling only villains with the spell (convenient but still plausible as by the movie standards)
_thus pulling only villains with the spell_
^ Lol. The attempts to explain this film are always fun because they only make the plot holes more obvious.
1) Max Electro is a villain but doesn't know Parker, but was pulled.
2) Peter 2 and Peter 3 - definitely know Parker (lol) but they are most definitely not Spider Man villains but they were pulled too? So which is it then.
Not only villains, not only those who know Parker. Now what?
On the real: This is simply a badly written script that has an AGENDA to get the Sony characters in the MCU.
This is done with a 1/2 assed hack screen writer's excuse - which falls apart when you try in vein to explain it.
Anyone else care to try, again....?
Dr. Strange: _Parker, don't you realize that in the multiverse, there are an infinite number of people who know Peter Parker is Spider-Man? They are _*_all_*_ coming here!_
Nice try though guys.
@@summertyme5748 troll
"Listen Sir, I'm gonna have you get all the way off my back about how the spell works"
“This comment is TIGHT”!
"let me get off that thing!"
Wow wow wow
Super easy nearly an inconvenience
I would have give one sin off for the Green Goblin. He was the best character by far and Dafoe´s performance is amazing
And he's damn near 70 too, guy is a natural talent & looks well for his age.
@@Afrocypher9590 That's not what he really looks like if you couldn't tell. Same with Doc Ock.
@@TotalDefiance Actually, even without CGI he still doesn't look too bad...I mean, it's not like he's picked up weight or anyting.
best one by far was doctor octopus for me!
The GOAT of Marvel Villains
27:42 the reason this venom knows Peter Parker, as weak as it is, is because in the post credits for Venom 2 Venom made a remark about every symbiote in the multiverse, not just the universe, sharing a hive mind, meaning as long as one Venom knew Spider-Man, they technically all do
It's actually a good explanation... or it can be, if they properly explore it. There's tons of mystery to work with in the symbiote lore and could expand the MCU dramatically
But then again, there's Green Lantern, the Fantastic Four and the whole Star Wars EU to remind us that Hollywood doesn't always do well with expansive, interesting universes full of world-building and lore. I swear to God that big movie studios must think the audience is stupid to a degree that comic books and other media have far left behind
It’s called the symbiote hive or something
but then all symbiotes in the hive mind shouldve been teleported?
@@zweg True that... but the only other one we have seen in movies is dead, and it probably only worked on the specific symbiotes that have met Peter or share their identity with the ones that have? Like, all symbiotes have a hive-mind, but then there's a certain level of independent connection that's unique to Venom symbiotes? Dunno, man... It's a flimsy explanation, but at least they gave us a start. Maybe it'll be more fleshed-out in the future?
This is truthe. It could also simply be another venom where spiderman exists in his world. I mean after all, there are an infinite amount of universes.
Personally i really love the interaction between the 3 spiderman. I wish we had more. But it does show the that tobey maguire is the eldest spiderman because he was the one who snap tom holland back to his sense.
That would have caused an incursion 🙄
12:02 I'm not sure about this, but my initial thought was that it was his spidey senses moving him. That's also why he says that being in his astral form felt amazing. He didn't have his heightened senses to make him extra wary and stressed. Still, Strange should've easily been able to use magic to take it from peter instead of just grabbing it like a toddler
"spidey senses moving him"
Yes, that's the films excuse. No that doesn't make sense. Spidey 'sense' is basically precognition. It's not what is required for Peter in that scene which is Omega level physic power. Watch Dr. Strange 2 (also a bad movie, but that's another issue) - and observe how Wanda can mentally control the Wanda of another Universe. That's the power that Parker would need to do this trick and he *does not have this power.* So the scene is just a fan service for Mary Sue Parker.
The whole idea that Parker can beat Dr. Strange is Mary Sue bull$hit.
@@summertyme5748 spoilers.. thank u very much. You could have said “Multiverse of Madness” instead of Dr. strange 2
@@summertyme5748 spidey sense for literally every single medium, cartoons, movies, and in various comics is played with loosely in more ways than this. the 2019 comic for spiderverse even goes far to say that spidey sense was that it was a cosmic multiversal force.
astral projection doesn't kill a person or stop them from breathing, it just removes their conscious abilities, leaving sub/unconscious ones. letting spidey sense have this isnt that far of a stretch to be upset about it.
@@natayaway Exactly. The person that you replied to is probably a troll. No Way Home had its flaws, like every movie, but it's great, and one of the best MCU movies.
@@summertyme5748 cope
"So how does someone throw a brick this straight and accurately from the street?"
Bullseye confirmed for Spider-Man 4: Brand New Home
The wall confirmed for Spider-Man 5: mobile home
Because it wasn't thrown from the street... It was thrown from either the roof, or fire escape from the building across from it. If you noticed the angle in which the brick crashed in, it would imply that it was from above or straight across, crashing in downward, not upward.
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@@Kal824 we got a detective over here
my only question is: if they were pulling everyone that knew who was spider man, even the ones that died, why didn’t the producers add any love interest? cause honestly would be amazing and heartbreaking seeing Gwen there and Andrew just knowing what will happen to her
They did but it got cut. This was filmed during covid lockdown which really affected this movie. That’s why lizard and sandman were CGI
fanservice
I saw someone online proposed that maybe because the goal of the spell was "Everyone will forget you're Spider-Man except your girlfriend, your best friend, and your aunt" then the spell pulls everyone who knows he's Spider-Man into this universe, _except_ Spider-Man's girlfriend, his best friend and his aunt. That's why none of the love interests show up nor does either version of Harry Osborn.
Why the fuck the spell would work like that, I have no idea.
@@conflictbrooks So pulls in everyone who IS affected by the spell. Kind of nice.
Or, more likely, the people being pulled in are luck of the draw since only some slipped through at first, there is after all an infinite amount of Spidermen and everyone else, we only saw a couple. Also any and all MJ's etc aren't superpowered and would get pretty easily lost. They could theoretically "spawn" anywhere on earth. How would they find anyone? The only reason the Spidermen were found were because of Ned, and we saw that not all villains spawned nearby (see Venom).
The movie might have its issues, but god DAMN Alfred Molina is incredible as Doc Ock. I was absolutely thrilled for his return. Forever and always my favorite Spiderman villain.
Another sin missed is, in Spider-Man 2 (maguire) curt conners tells Peter “Octavius is a friend of mine”, when Pete meets Otto he even says “now I remember you’re conners student he tells me you’re brilliant he also tells me you’re lazy” this clearly indicated curt conners and Otto knew each other to a level. Otto in nwh doesn’t even react hearing curt conners name or the fact he turned himself into a lizard in an alternate universe
Yeah, I hoped for that too. But still, kudos for all the references they were able to make so far.
Another sin that's probably worth a good 100 or so is that in the last act where peter tells strange to make everyone forget that he's spiderman means that EVERYONE including the people from maguire and andrews universes along with every other universe forgets, this is just makes peter (holland) a MASSIVE DICK to all the other spidermen who probably told people about their identity
@@shivashishwar9552
When the hell was it ever indicated that every other universe would forget who Peter Parker is?
Strange has shown that his magic is contained to only his own universe.
@@bro-be3bd while this is true, and what I believe happened, doing that would in no way reverse the drawing in of other people from the multiverse, because they were only being drawn in because they know that *A* Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Which they still do because only Peter 1's universe was affected. It makes 0 sense to me.
@@shivashishwar9552 exactly, if he want to do 100 sins then that's what he could have done, not for Miles Morales who should not have been in the story in the first place, it defeats the point of the Spider-Man being pulled in. Also again they should have just forgot whose Spider-Man was because it should have fulfilled the request of fixing the spell without destroying all of their relations. I mean sure you'd have to reintroduce himself as a hero but that's easier than a lot of the issues that would have arrived. I think part of the reason why that wouldn't work for the MCU Peter is that then it would just be Peter Parker killed Mysterio not Spider-Man kill Mysterio since his identity would have been known they just wouldn't be an alter ego.
Ok but willam Dafoe DEFINITELY deserved a sin off for the condo laugh scene as peter is puching him straight in the mouth
In that moment, I felt like Norman had exceeded 'Joker' levels of crazy. Sure, the Joker is nuts, but he plays that up to mess with people....he enjoys it. With Norman it just felt like pure chaos, not an "I'm laughing because you'll never win" but more of "Regardless of the outcome, you'll never be satisfied with beating me because I'm beyond the point of suffering at the hands of others".
With the Joker it's about 50% of a manipulation tactic...with the Goblin...it's just who he is.
It’s absolutely amazing
I literally got chills in the theater when i heard it, literally, & they STAYED too
That in my opinion should reset the sin counter to zero! I lost my shit in the theater! That is how you give a protagonist a real villian to deal with!!!
@@DeltaCharlieHipHop Especially one as classic as Goblin
HEY. The explanation behind the physical form of Peter still moving after his Astral form was pushed out is actually his spider sense taking autopilot. It's actually the closest thing to the comic because it's constantly referred to as auto pilot. And the spider sense little arrows (same as in ITSV) appeared as kinda little heatwaves. Hard to notice but definitely not worth the sin
Many people give this wrong answer.
@@summertyme5748 cope
Its solved in 8 minutes because its Daredevil that’s his lawyer, he’s the best lawyer in the Marvel universe, also he knows when people are lying bc he can hear their heartbeats and whatnot
Sandman's goal in the final fight was to go back home, he wanted the box so he could press it immediately, regardless of whether the other villains got cured.
Yeah but i feel that him choosing to fight Spider-Man instead of helping him did NOTHING but prolong the fight. Dude could've been a big help in holding down the enemies especially the Lizard and Goblin.
He was kind of an idiot during the fight and I'm surprised none of the Spider-Men mentioned how things would be over faster that way.
I felt like sandman wanting to go back to his daughter didn’t make sense, like she’s probably not even a kid anymore, probably in college or something
That may have been his goal but Electro quite literally said no one is going home today so it would make sense for him to attack the villains because Peter, from the beginning, told him he'd send him home when he's fixed. Flint was wasted in this movie.
@@jaredalvarez890 I'm about 99% certain that this is Sandman taken directly from or near the ending of Spider-Man 3. Seeing as all the villains were pulled from different parts of time.
@@xacmashe3852 I don't think so otherwise they would've de-aged Tobey Maguire but he was from the present timeline just like how Sandman was still alive, you know?
24:55
Glad you took off a sin for that, seeing Garfield try to hold back from breaking down is just heartbreaking to see
That was such a great callback to his second movie. I've always said it wasn't his fault his movies tanked. He obviously loves the character.
@@blackenedwritings he seriously does and I would love for him to have a 3rd movie Like tom and Tobey do
The part where Tobey is telling Andrew he was amazing should have been included too.
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No joke, I got a little teary eyed in the theaters. Maybe it happened a every time I rewatched it.
My only problem with this movie was the memory spell at the end. MJ specifically has a discussion with Peter about not doing any big magic things without talking it out first. And then he takes all their memories of him without their consent. And then he promises to tell them all about it later and he doesn't even do that. It's supposed to come off as selfless but honestly it just made me kinda mad.
Of course the actual agenda of the film is for Sony to make more money by creating their own SpiderVerse to counter the MCU.
This is why the plot makes no sense. While the film pretends to be about Peter learning lessons and growing, the plot makes him a selfish childish idiot because it’s the easiest way for Sony to accomplish their real agenda, which is $$$.
@@summertyme5748 BRAVO!
@@summertyme5748Hi again, I disagree - yes you are right, sony now have a decent shot at bringing Spider-Man back to the Sony verse however, in this move Tom Hollands Spider-Man did learn a very valuable lesson: Throughout every mcu Spider-Man film Peter has had the aid of his friends and family, aka Tony stark aunt may, Ned and MJ, and the entire avengers, hence dr strange. Peter has always been protected in some fashion and he knows if he has a problem he has people he can turn to. This movie pretty much made all of the above null and void as he has no friends, no family - no one who can help him, Peter now is well and truly alone. As you probably know since Tobey Maguire’s Peter spent most of his time as Spider-Man concealing his identity, it was only from the third film onwards that nearly everyone in his life knew he was Spider-Man, previously this gave him thick skin, giving him the strength to make his own decisions, and fight for himself. Spider-Man is know as a lone wolf, he’s not a team player, the mcu knows where they made their mistake, this is movie is them reconciling and yes mainly it’s a cash grab but and made mainly for the fans but it totally deserves more credit than it’s getting, this may be the MCU turning over a new leaf, I think we should appreciate that.
@@fogartyfox592 I kind of agree with you that the end goal was met, to make spiderman a lone wolf. It was met, but still, the plot to even get to that point was non-sensical, it was a chaotic mess. I wish they didn't make this movie just for the sake of that.
@@farrelz.2183Yeah, it was quite poorly handled, it could have been done way better. I believe it should carry the same morals as the Spider-Man into the spider verse movie. Tom Holland should be the under dog while tobey and Andrew are quite experienced at their craft as Spider-Men, there is another discussion between the three Spider-Men and they all exchange stories, Andrew talks about his experience of losing his uncle Ben, losing his parents and learning his best friend has turned on him and tries murdering Gwen, until he as individual isn’t fast enough to save her, the love of his life taken away from him. Tobey talks about how he also lost his uncle Ben, spending his early adult years living in poverty, struggling to pay the bills, and having to cope with the idea that he contributed to his best friends fathers death, just explaining the whole dilemma of Spider-Man 2, peters life was like shit, but he walked it off, he kept swinging until he made it work for himself. Tom hearing all of their experiences not only as Spider-Man but as Peter Parker, Tom is realises that these people have had it much harder in life than he has, then his decision to wipe everyone’s memories of Spider-Man is a unideal choice he is willing to make because this is his chance to rewrite his origin story, he’s not Peter Parker who was bit by a spider and was recruited by tony stark and pretty much had his life handed to him, he can finally prove himself worth of calling himself Spider-Man
239 sins, didn’t even mention that mj has this random necklace that she’s wearing and has no idea how she got it
Despite the plot holes, one thing I really liked was that there were actual lasting consequences for Peters actions. It made the movie feel more meaningful.
Aunt May being dead is a non consequence - since she is fridged. She has no more function in the story than Uncle Ben, imparting the same lesson again that he already learned.
There are no lasting consequences for anyone else. In fact the whole point of the plot is to *reboot* the story thereby eliminating all the consequences from all the previous stories.
Doc Ock, and Goblin and Max and lizard are *all alive* again. Tobey and Andrew are Spiderman again. Parker is a kid with no high school diploma, no girl friend money or job again.
No one knows anything he ever did so every - consequence leads to something he can do over. And that is the real point of the plot.
I hated how irresponsible and “unlogical” they have written for tom’s spiderman
@@summertyme5748 I hate how people treat this as something other than a soft reboot
@@sensaiko Yes it is indeed a reboot and regression of his character and not the evolution of it - that they want to convince you it is.
That is, until Strange pulls out another spell to undo it.
By no means is this a perfect movie, there's holes everywhere you could punch through but tbh I'm satisifed with what we got because it could've gone much worse. Seeing the three spider-men together and some of the classic villains in the same movie was insane. Kinda wish they played the full themes of Tobey and Andrew somewhere in the movie.
Is a perfect movie better than all superhero movies
@@c0zyD lol no
@@c0zyD Put the nostalgia boner away
I'm not going to argue that that WASN'T cool... but I mean... you watch that scene at home, by yourself, without the hooting and hollering in the theatre and you realize how quiet it is. Almost like the scene was given ample space for people to cheer... almost as if the reason this plot even exists is because they wanted people to "Leo point" at the screen and say, "OOOOOH OOOH I KNOW THAT GUY! DISNEY TAKE MY MONEY!!!"
This wasn't a film... it was a transaction DISGUISED as a Spider-Man movie. Every decision Disney made, was motivated purely by profit.
@@c0zyD Quit putting it on that high of a pedestal, this was 90% fanservice
I have always wanted more Andrew Garfield "Amazing Spiderman"
same, always thought his banter was awesome
Well, be glad you're getting another one. Also Jesus Christ loves you and repent for your sins loved ones.😊😊👍👍😍😍❤❤
@@starlightglimmerofficial2923 Now can you tell me about Santa Claus
5:04
"The warnings come after the spell." - Dr.Strange
15:45 for those curious the reason it didn't work is because when we saw Aunt May pull the serum off the fabricator, you could see that the progress bar was just under 99% complete. So the fabricator didn't finish so that's why it didn't work
Oooh interesting
What an eye holy crap
Also, you can see Peter's spidey sense waving off his head when he got pushed out of his body, which was why his body could still react. Go back and look at Tom Holland's head during that scene, it's literally the classic spidey sense waves.
@@Clingster If I'm being honest I saw it on another video called "everything great about No Way Hom" credit goes to CinemaWins
Actually it could be because Norman was "helping" Peter, so the Goblin purposefully sabotaged his own cure, which would be what triggered Spidey's sense. I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone lol.
I would've at least taken a sin off for Willem Dafoe's performance in the apartment building. That fight was sooo good.
His face expression after taking the punches like a total psycho deserves 10 points removed.
Same with the spidey sense scene
Agreed, closest thing we've gotten to horror in the MCU. And no, Multiverse of Madness doesn't even remotely count.
you know i'm something of a sinner myself
Willem was more scarier in Tom Holland's third Spiderman film than he was in Tobey's first film
19:26 “ and now here’s the other asshole wandering the streets” 😂😂😂I died
That Josh Gad joke made me laugh more than it should have
You missed the big sin where Tom's Peter asked the other Peter's how they knew the "great responsibility" line. Andrew said that Uncle Ben said it. His Uncle Ben never said that. His Uncle Ben had a completely different, and very long, line about responsibility.
His dad says it in a deleted scene
@@sanzen1234 I know, but Uncle Ben didn't.
@@sanzen1234 still don't count 😂😂
There was a lot wrong with this movie which does not get addressed because of "Nostalgia"
@@sanzen1234 no response to the garbage you just spewed?
The venom one is technically explained by the end-credit's scene at the end of Carnage. Venom is explaining to Eddie about how the entire species is like a hivemind, and Venom knows millions of things. So it's implied that the other universes Venom is part of that hivemind, hence all of that species knows about various Peter Parkers
came to say this, but now that I think of it, wouldn't that be fucked if it brought every single venom to this universe?
@@cabclint Which makes the whole narrative a plot hole if there are infinite peter parkers so there should've been infinite symbiotes coming to MCU
@@MadGenius the whole movie is a bit of a plot hole - if there are infinite universes, there are infinite peters, docs, goblins, electros, everything.. what's infinity*infinity people on one planet? :D
@@OriginalUnknown2 Well, then you would get Secret Wars 2015 where incurisons happening within the Marvel multiverse.
I didn’t even do homework when my grades counted on it *ding*
I rewatched all the Spider-Man films before watching this movie because I knew Doc, Goblin, and Electro were going to be in it. I gasped when I saw Andrew appear, but I screamed "OMG! OMG! MY GOAT! THATS MY GOAT! AHHHHHHH!" when I saw Tobey. I was screaming at 2 in the morning.
I’m still annoyed he didn’t change the spell to “make everyone forget mysterio existed” or “make everyone forget mysterio’s video” those would have probably worked much better
Of course. Nothing they do in the film makes any sense. You can see the strings being pulled so that somehow andrew and tobey will show up.
The audience is supposed to forgive the plot shenanigans that bring this about.
23:21 I think Sandman wanted the box just so he could get home rather than destroy it. He saw everything go wrong in the apartment and just nope'd out of there. After all, he wasn't convinced by Norman's argument and just wanted to get home ASAP. Immediately afterwards Electro says something like, "Sorry, Sandman, but no one's going home." So they both wanted the box for different reasons but, I admit, the film doesn't do a very good job at making this clear. It just kinda breezes past it.
Nah Flint is still a wanted man in his universe for murdering Ben and escaping prison, him being in sand form is what helps him evade police, now he's fkd
Yeah. If he simply waited, one of the other villains could have destroyed his last chance of going home. At the same time, he doesn't want to lose his powers, so it makes sense him not helping Peter.
Yeah, he's fighting the Spider Men because he wants them to give up on the cures and just send him home
They did explain why Peter was able to move his body during the out-of-body experience, it's his spider sense, you can even see the classic brainwave patterns if you look closely
But isn't the spider sense only for immediate danger Strange taking the box doesn't seem like immediate danger to peter
This is CinemaSins. Do you expect them to pay attention to details?
@@HygorBH yes
@@myoldchannel0 yeah he stopped really caring about accurate details like 4 years ago
@@TheIrishKat ahhh the good old days when he would point out weird posters and clocks, what a world.
Besides some minor issues throughout the movie I honestly really enjoyed this movie to the fullest extent. Hopefully we'll see all 3 Spider-Man make a return at some point. 🔥🔥🔥
13:14: _I think my aunt and girl are perfectly safe around the _*_Dinosaur_*_ in the living room. I'm sure nothing bad will happen. Maybe he's what they call a veggie-saur. Never mind the razor sharp teeth. I'm sorry he just looks safe to me._ - Parker.
"How does this ever have a happy ending?"
^ Written for 3 year old audiences, that's how.
The events of the film could've easily been avoided had Dr. Strange just explained to Peter (Tom Holland) what the spell will do and asked if there are any specific persons who he doesn't want affected; or even just casted the spell in a way that people had forgotten who Mysterio was. But then again, we wouldn't have another Spiderman movie.
I take it you've seen hishe
Strange is just following the tradition of the warning coming after the spell.
Hell, the events could have been prevented by making the world forget Mysterio.
If he explained consequences, then he wouldn't be Dr. Strange. Regrettable decisions is kind of his M.O.
@@wadesimmons7460 The events could have been prevented, if like Dr. Strange said, Peter thought about pleading to the MIT before trying to rewrite the whole course of reality!
Also they could have used the Time Stone to go back to the last battle with Beck and stop him from revealing Pete's identity
Also they could have sat down for literally 2 minutes and discussed the way the spell worked before doing it
Also they could have just sent the villains back, considering that if the multiverse exists, there's a high chance that there's infinite universes with tons of shared characteristics, a lot of them with the same villains redeeming themselves or... you know, not going all batshit in the first place and just living a normal life
You already added 100 sins for it, but besides the lack of Miles Morales, the “black spider-man” joke also implies that electro did not in fact know who peter parker was, making his presence in the movie impossible by its own logic
So they just threw him in instead of having Andrew Garfield's Green goblin because William defoe is the only crazy bastard who can give dignity to Green Goblin, even tho the other guy half mutilated his face
Other channels cover that Norman learns that Spiderman is named Peter Parker in that movie, but he never sees his face.
The logic is that Electro was absorbing data while in the grid. ALL data within that universes grid and in that, learned that Peter was Spiderman but it's not fully explained again~
@@liliespetals19 Then those channels are wrong. Not only did Norman see Peter's face during their last battle in the 2002 Spider-Man movie, after the latter's mask got torn up pretty badly, he also called Peter by his name then. It was the other way around actually, Peter didn't know the Goblin was actually Norman Osborne until their last fight.
@@antman0719 literally does not make sense
I thought for sure that “one question…are these your Legos”From Fox was gonna get a sin removed 😂😂😂😂
I love how you uploaded this on May 3rd, which is the 20th anniversary date. I held back on NWH to rewatch the all 1st 5 films starting on that date.
@25:00 ~ DUDE! That deserves AT LEAST FIVE sins off!!
12:10 My reasoning for Peter’s body still being able to avoid Dr. Strange is his spidey sense still working even when his soul has left his body
Thats what i thought, i figure that the spidey sense isnt exactly common knowledge only people really close to peter mention it and this movie feels like the first time he’s seen strange since endgame
That is the reason. Peter's astral body has the wiggly lines by his head that's used to represent his spidey sense in the comics.
They need to take that sin back
@@Datswild253 unfortunately they won’t. They are full of shit the majority of the time and they don’t care to correct their mistakes.
Yeah I don’t get why CinemaSins gave a sin for that or needed the movie to explain that. I thought everyone just figured… spidey sense, duh. Especially when he had sort of vibrations emanating from his astral form’s head
Wait. Wasn't the whole spell supposed to make everyone forget Peter was Spiderman? The spell wasn't everyone forget who Peter is so his friends should still know him and stuff, but nobody would know he's Spiderman. That would have been a way better ending because then Peter is happy and it makes more sense
You're right that the ending makes no sense and doesn't even try.
It's telling that you think the point of the ending is that Peter should be happy regardless of what he does to hurt anyone else.
Using Magic to brainwash other people in order to keep yourself happy it's not what Heroes do.
Peter said specifically toward the end to Strange that everyone forget about Peter Parker, everything about him. Not just that he isn't spiderman
@@PappyVPoodle ah, thank you. My mistake
Tobey's Spider-Man had the best story lines/villains (minus part 3), Andrew's Spider-Man LOOKED like the comics, & Tom's Spider-Man had his personality/energy
I also feel like Matt Murdock, after taking Peter's case would want to help protect him because that's kinda what he does. But also Daredevil showing up might be a bit much. Hope to see him more though
The fuck would Daredevil do against Electro, Lizard, Ock and Goblin? Get fucking murdered? Daredevil is a badass but he can't keep up with spiderman, let alone 3 of them.
But I agree we need to see him more
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 he beat the fuck outa king pin didn’t he ? And he’s a running tank? He could probably fight doc and the lizard. Idk about electro and goblin tho
@@DemonLordGamingAC0 expect for the fact daredevil and spiderman are one of the biggest crossovers in comics
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 Fisk is still an ordinary human & even Kate Bishop kicked his ass without having any powers. Matt would be out of his element dealing with superpowered individuals.
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 kingpin is just a regular guy.....
This absolutely is an explanation
Endgame is a rare conclusion to a story that makes you want to watch all the previous chapters again, just to better appreciate the conclusion.
The exact opposite was true of: Game of Thrones, or more recently Thor 4, Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home.
Those films actually contradict or undermine the far better earlier chapters of their own story.
The sin off bit for Andrew Garfield saving MJ as a redemptive arc was gold! Love how you just knew how much it would be brought up in the comments if you hadn't taken a sin off
This movie was full of plot holes but I was entertained the whole time. That’s all that matters
Please Explain. I’m skeptical but also genuinely interested
What plot holes?
@@ot_decathlete398 I think he means weak plot, not necessarily plot holes. There are also quite a few things that don’t make sense as pointed out in the video, but, once again, I don’t think any are as important as plot holes
@@jericklim7640 Above may explain it better ^ :)
I’m Half-n-Half on that one😐
You forgot one thing that was also wrong with him leaving/using webs to fix the powerlines, typically in many spiderman franchises(including this one because it's mentioned in Spiderman Homecoming) his webbing eventually dissolves. So using his webs to fix the powerlines is a temporary solution that will eventually become a problem again when the webbing eventually dissolves.
Different web solution. That’s not even a plot hole bruv
@@ForgottenInformation where did they say it was different?
I dont think they ever pretended like it was a permanent solution.... would you rather the grid be down for hours or days until it can be repaired, or the webs temporarily hold it up while a crew goes out?
@@kevinkabingu7160 I can’t believe you need the movie to tell you that
@@Leftoverhealer2 it has to, if it has never been brought up b4. This is how you guys assume things and get butthurt later own when marvel discredit something you guys made up and convinced yourselves in your head.
12:55 "I can't promise you guys anything"
Directly followed by a promise.
I'll never understand how almost everyone just ignored all the massive plot holes and logical flaws in this movie. It was too much for me. I was actually angry the entire time watching this in the theater.
You must be me for another universe in the multiverse. I actually feel vindicated as this movie was a ‘flash’ [pun intended] in the pan and didn’t hold up well. The SpiderVerse movies which are magnificent - BLOW NO Way HOME AWAY, and make it crawl under the bed and hide.
Amazing all of this multiversal travel didn't cause any incursions. Marvel can't keep themselves consistent anymore.
@@summertyme5748people still love the movit it isnt a flash in the pan.
Every fucking film has plot holes, ya know The Dark Knight? Agreed upon as the best CBM of all time? That has a shit ton of plot holes and nobody cares.
@12:08 : An explanation for Peter's body reacting when his soul is separate IS given. It is obviously his spidersense being on full blast without his consciousness mitigating it, as is a known facet of the spider sense, but this is evidenced by the wavey lines indicative of the Spider Sense eminating from Peter's astral body's head.
thank you! CinemaSins has been getting so nitpicky lately to pad the runtime but it just makes for worse content
@@kyliewog1 i agree, but its his whole job bruh😭😭
He stiol could've sinned how Strange doesnt do anything more than trying to catch the box
He couldve use a whip to hold Peter's arm tight and grab it
Yeah I usually like these videos but haven't watched them in quite a long time and it seems they've gotten lazy. Half the sins in this have good explanations or the criticisms don't really make sense.
@@kyliewog1 i think they're wandering too far away from the actual criticism and into the whimsy of their critiques, I lrefer an equal mix.
Peter 2: _I’ve been thinking about curing Osborn for a long time._
Peter 1: _That’s great - because I decided to “cure” him before you showed up, even though i knew _*_absolutely nothing_*_ about him, because continuity is not a thing anymore._
TBF Peter 1 was working on that cure with Norman at the time and Norman did know what went into the Goblin formula after all. It's not unrealistic to think that they could come up with a cure together.
So right man . I was blown by the fact that sandman was fighting against Peter . What the hell is he fighting for ???
The film is written for kids with ADD.
When they have their dolls - aka - action figures - fighting.
There is no real reason why. It’s just for fun. Any reason would be half baked and made up, and if you then think about - it would make zero sense.
That’s how this silly film ‘works’.
@@summertyme5748 I agree . And the audacity of audience to call it the best Spiderman movie . Like, have u ever seen Sam Raimi's Spiderman ? This movie had zero depth in it . The Aunt may scene was awful . "With great power comes great responsibility" seemed forced. MCU fans have gone blind .
@@AkashYadav-qs1cv 100% right. They are living off the past. Even this film is living off of the Raimi films - when in reality it should be all about Holland/Peter and not a call back to what is in fact a completely separate Sony Universe that makes no sense in the context of the MCU and vice versa.
The Aunt May scene of course makes no sense. The 'great power' line was why Sony Parker became Spiderman.
In this film he is already Spiderman so you can't pretend that he will try to help people because he (actually killed) his aunt may. (????)
It would be like after Dark Knight and Dark Knight Returns we see Bruce watch his parents killed....by the Joker.
Too....late. He's already Batman - he's been there and done that. You can't just repeat the same story just because your writers have no imagination and can't think of anything original.
The spell brings people who know Peter from the latest point in their timeline.
For those that died, it was moments before their death. For those who lived, it was their most recent point, hence sandman still being around and Andrew and Tobey’s Peter’s being their current ages.
Lizard I guess was because it was before the lizard ‘died’ when Curt was cured
I’m considering this the canon reasoning for this since it makes the most sense
Lizard was young because they couldn't get the actor in and used the old footage of him being cured into the new film
Actually Andrew and Tobey were much older then their movies
@@brianwashington2449 I know. That’s why I said they’re their current ages. The character’s ages since that time has passed
So, doesn't that mean since the Lizard was cured and sent back... there would be 2 Dr Connors in that universe?
It would had to have been a Lizard that was not from the Amazing universe where the Lizard we had seen had been cured for that logic to jive.
But, good reasoning.
My thought is that every character that came here was redeemed or cured... every character in their respective movies came to their senses... this, might have explained why...
Which means, they still die(d).
I think I get sandman's motivation to get the magic box thingy, he wants it not to destroy it but to activate it so that he returns back even if the other villains don't want to. Electro even says "Sorry sandman but nobody's goin' home today"
The ending had me questioning, why didn't peter make everyone forget spiderman, forgetting peter is harder as he's been around for his whole life, while spiderman has only been around for like 6+ years
The 6+ is probably hopefully including the blip but i realize it's more like ,8 years, which would date him becoming spiderman to when he's 15~ which is rather unbelievable in my opinion but since peter is almost always a teenager it sort of works in my opinion
Remember he screwed up the spell because he didn't want MJ to forget he was SpiderMan - because he was afraid she would dump him. Pretty pathetic when you think about it. He was willing to brain wash Aunt May, Ned, all the Avengers..... but not the girl he hasn't slept with yet. lol.
@@summertyme5748 cope
2:05 *Where - is - Pepper - Potts?*
_Quintin Beck stole Stark technology and used it to pretend to be a hero from another dimension._
_He _*_killed_*_ countless people in Europe and tried to kill Parker too. Parker is Spiderman and saved the city - again_
Sincerely - *Pepper Potts*
*I am Spiderman!* - Parker.
THE END
The reason the goblin serum didn’t work the first time was because it wasn’t finished. It’s shown in a scene just before the goblin reveal to be at 80% done
Or it’s because “Osborn” was helping, when it was probably the Goblin helping all along, creating a serum that would make him stronger and get rid of Osborn’s personality even more.
Missed opportunity for Toby and Strange to have an interaction since Dr Strange is mentioned to exist in his universe. Toby needed to have some kind of reaction to Jameson too 😂
All the suit plot holes, green goo being there in different scenes, being gone and coming back the next. Switching from the black one to the red one that all of a sudden doesnt have goo when it did before he fought electro in the forest. The bridge scene Doc Oc rips his suit, 30 seconds later the suit is repaired and then ripped again when he gets on top of the bridge.
He also should be dead when electrocuted by electro - but the cartoon electricity in this film does not fry you - it just slaps you around a bit, leaving you - just fine. $hit - it didn't even mess up his hair. Silly cartoon movie makes Into the SpiderVerse seem like The Godfather.
The irony of you sinning a minute of logos when you start the video with a minute of sponsorship advertising is not lost. One sin to you 🤣
The scene where peters astralbody is out of his actual body and still moves his arm actually has a good visible explanation, you see the lines of his spider sense working on his head of the astralform. This means he is still connected to his body with the spider sense
yeah, I thought that one was pretty obvious
also, that is like the fifth thing this movie copied blatantly from spiderverse
Yeah but his head is up his ass
Which he shouldn't be
@@matheussanthiago9685 Well I mean, they're based on the comics, where Peter has those lines. And they're the same characters, so...."copying" isn't really the right word there.
This, came to the comments to say this
I have kind of a rule when it comes to enjoying blockbusters like this. If there is enough entertainment to be had to make up for the plot holes, I can enjoy it for what it is. Spider-Man No Way Home has plot holes galore, but it's also packed with everything I wanted out of it so I am far too distracted by the good stuff to really care about the fact that a lot of it relies on you just being like "yeah okay let's go with that"
As long as the plot hole didn’t impact my enjoyment the first time through I don’t consider it a problem
I don't understand why people overanalyze movies so much, sometimes it's just better to sit down, relax and enjoy the movie for what it is lol
@@Xeno574 Dead on. It’s like I always say: “If I’m having fun, isn’t that all that matters?”
@@SuperHedgehog910 When you're having fun you don't even notice the issues, unless it's blatantly obvious. It's why I strayed away from channels like CinemaSins, it's always just negativity.
(And honestly some of their criticisms are dumb as hell)
@@Xeno574 exactly. Nothing can be perfect,
“Hey Dr. Strange? Can you make everyone like me and my friends again?”
“Sure.”
Credits
Hey Strange - why are we making people forget *me* (!scary) when we just need to forget Mysterio and everything HE did. I mean - he *dead* anyway? lol
Credits.
Hey Peter - instead of coming to me for magic [what, am I a kids birthday party *clown* magician to you ?] - just go to Pepper and ask her for help.
She can:
1) Prove that Beck is not - lol - a hero from another dimension [really???] and in fact he was HER EMPLOYEE.
2) She can prove that he was a disgruntled and stole Stark Property [E.D.I.T.H] and used it for murder and mayhem.
3) She can prove that Peter in fact SAVED THE CITY - AGAIN! Just as he and Tony [the worlds most beloved hero and Parker's effective Dad] had done earlier against Thanos.
4) She can also welcome Peter and his friends to M.I.T - you know that school that Tony graduated from - and whose ENTIRE projects he funded in Civil War - when he MADE PEPPER THE CEO. Yeah, that guy! lol.
5) Peter: *I AM SpiderMan.* [as no one in MCU has or needs a stupid secret identity anyway - that's Sony Verse thing, lol]
-END CREDITS.
UA-cam: here’s a wine comercial right before your video
Cinamasins: haha! You thought the wine commercial was over! Well, the jokes on you, because here’s yet ANOTHER wine commercial!
Me: and here’s a sin for both of you for wine-ing to much *ding*
How are there no sins off for the whole conversation around Maguire's organic webbing? That whole thing was gold and it played out perfectly.
Or the fact that Andrew's version and Toby's version discussed having back problems from swinging around. Something that actual actors have dealt with when they have to do a considerable amount of wire-work; so it makes logical sense that a superhero who frequently uses it as a mode of transportation, would eventually develop spinal issues.
exactly. I loved their interactions
Maybe because it played out perfectly 😉
Bc this guy had no content so just runs his mouth of anything
“Does it come out of… anywhere else?”
27:46 in the after credits for Venom 2. its implied that Venom's race has access to a hive knowledge. So although Tom Hardy's Venom never actually met Peter Parker, its theorized that the hive knowledge spans across universes and was brought in due to Tobey meeting a Venom
It's just impossible to think Venom is a multidimensional symbiote hive.
@@donovan1345 it could be that he access the symbiote hive at the exact moment the multiverse broke causing him to connect with other universe's venoms as well.
@@derpmanaveragegamer7791 I'm 99% positive nobody in the writer's room actually thought about that, especially considering those are two completely different studios with tens of thousands of people working on different projects at different companies. I'd be surprised if Feige has somehow masterminded this, instead of someone in the room just saying, wouldn't it be cool to have Hardy in the MCU? Let's just pull him in via "multiverse". I mean, considering the fact that NOBODY seems to actually give a shit about any multiversal rules ... that's my best guess.
I know they couldn’t show the reactions of everyone finding out about Peter being Spider-Man but I really wish that we’d seen the reaction of Aaron Davis/ Prowler because he already suspected that Spider-Man was a kid, but I would’ve liked to see his reaction, and also I think that he’d have been a good ally to have on his side, and maybe it would’ve given him somewhere to hide out after the shit hit the fan!
Sure yeah where's the Prowler and also where is Scorpion, after seeing the News about Spiderman's identity reveal he could've broke out of jail and be the 6th member of this villain team, though Doc Ock became good once his chip was fixed
The Biggest sin is how many times Tom Holland and zendeya say “uhh ohh”
1) For Spidey's autonomous reaction when Dr. Strange pushes his astral projection out, you can see in his projection the Spider Sense ringing near his head. So his body was just responding instinctively according to the sense.
2) The Spideys couldn't create multiple cures, because they were not using the fabricator. The fabricator was powered by the Arc reactor which Electro took
Dont forgot 3rd. The Cure didnt work for Green Goblin because it wasnt fully loaded yet, u can even see it loading like 78% or smthng
The cure plot made NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still don’t understand why he nitpicked about Peters body keeping the cube away from strange, there was an in universe reason and a visual reason for why it was happening
@@OmegaQuinn it was dumb.
@@OmegaQuinn well you now, its jeremy. he sins Things he not even knows about
Even if the multiverse is a relatively unknown concept I have to agree with Doc Strange. Infinite universes mean infinite deaths that you can't (and shouldn't) help because it affects how they play out. Trying to play them up as semi-poor souls who need to be saved is ridiculous.
That’s the whole point. Spider-Man is the person who would still try to help despite the fact it could be pointless, he’s just that good of a person, the result doesn’t always have to be a negative, he could’ve changed it for the better.
I'm still wondering how Jameson plays the same character in two different universes, and no one seems to take issue with it.
You are right in the sense - that it comes out of NoWhere that he hates SpiderMan who is a 'menace!!!' - but that is a SonyVerse thing, [world where Spidey is the only 'costumed freak' in NY] has nothing to do with MCU.
Also SpiderMan's *need* for his secret identity has its origins in super hero convention in a world where Super Heroes were not a thing and Avengers did not exist [SpiderMan was created before IronMan for example].
But in a world where Stark came out and said *I am Iron Man* and is now the world's greatest hero - and Parker's surrogate dad....the idea that being outed as Spiderman who helped saved the Universe from Thanos - is a *disaster* is just another cheat- where the writers are going - screw it, just play along.
@@summertyme5748 cope
7:15 I think it would have been interesting to take the big "sinister 6" idea proposed at the end of TASM 2, and also the Mysterio from Toby's canceled Spider-Man 4
It's entirely possible that the portal was opened from the other side for Wong. Also, can we just get a sin off for Wong? He tends to steal the scenes he's in.
FOHTIFY YO MINDZZZZZ!!!!
You mentioned them having multiple cures because of the fact that they had the fabricator. But after the apartment battle, Peter didn't have it anymore. The fabricator was in the custody of the dodc and Electro took it's power source.(which is presumably now with doc oc)
They sledgehammered Peter in this movie to remove Stark's influence on these stories once and for all
Plus him saying the cure for green goblin didn't work didn't have an explanation isn't true. If looked at carefully you can see the machine wasn't completely done making the cure.
@@rsw0103 also, I think Toby's made the actual cure that actually worked
I still don't think this will be the end of Stark's influence in these films, his tech makes for too useful of a mcguffin or deus ex machina for them to lean on.
Also the ending circles back to Peter's earlier conversation with strange about trying live two separate lives .
In the end Peter could have made the world forget about spider man and it would have had the same impact fixing the problem. But Peter chose finally that he wanted to be spider man.
Each film is all a set up to Peter becoming the true spiderman. Homecoming is him learning the responsibility of being a super hero. Far from home was about him trying to be Peter park and distance himself from spider-man. This film tied the first two together where Peter finally accepts that he is a super hero.
21:48 -- "I'm magic now." Pretty much the go-to solution any time Marvel needs to plot convenience any-goddam-thing.
My question is how did Dr. Strange bend the mirror dimension to his will like that? In the first movie they made it very clear that reality bending the mirror world means you have some connection to the dark dimension. Did the deal with Dormammu about him never coming back give him an ability like the Zealots? Or did he do something off-screen and dabble in the dark dimension again? Uhhh Sin?
Yes, and why did he send Parker into the Mirror Dimension in the 1st place. Go ahead and say it's because Parker stole his magic box. When someone steals something from you - > you send them to another dimension - so you can keep chasing them, there. Stop thief. I'm sending you to another dimension! lol.
[the real answer was shown early in the film when he teleported parker and his entire rogues gallery into the Wizard's dungeon - Strange is just made stupid as a form of plot armor for Parker, so the fight continues for no reason.]
23:57 hahahahaahahaaa but nah!!! and his charecter knows it
My biggest issue is that bringing a bunch of unstable, superpowered villains to a populated apartment building without the knowledge or consent of any of the other innocent inhabitants. And I'm damn skippy May wasn't the only casualty of that scuffle.
Exactly what I thought did Peter forget most of them were actually mentally unstable? Not to mention leaving the Lizard alone.
The reason for the redemption arcs not being included is cause the spell took everyone from their furthest point of existence. This is consistent throughout the movie. It is kinda dumb how it is never explained but it is inferred with this scene and throughout the movie.
You mean ‘right before they died’.
But it didn’t. They didn’t all die.
This is another huge convoluted plot hole in the film.
Lizard and Sandman did *not* die fighting Spiderman.
In fact this is why you are allowed to *infer* it - but it is not explained.
Try to follow because you won’t want to and won’t like it…
It’s not explained because it isn’t true.
It is inferred because the film needs you to believe that Peter concludes that he can’t send them back because they will all die.
Without that inference - you would be more aware of the MADNESS of Parker’s silly and illogical agenda.
Finally the reason Parker has this agenda is to make the plot happen. It’s a fan service plot that brings Sony characters [dead and alive] back for silly reasons - so they can fight the old Spidermen again.
*CinemaSins is also 100% RIGHT when they say - we don’t know why ANY of these characters are fighting.* 😂
Marco is the most obvious as he wants to go back home to his daughter. Parker supposedly wants to help him.
But now - he is trying to kill Peter which would mean he *can’t* get home - and Parker is trying to ‘cure’ him of being Sandman which he never asked for.
Funny how everyone but Peter must be *cured* of their Superpowers.
Lol - more I think about this film, the more I just laugh at how stupid it is and how stupid the audience needs to be to enjoy it.
I liked as soon as it was pointed out he could have stopped at the beginning of the spell
Doesn't need magic in the 1st place when Pepper Potts is CEO of Stark Industries and Beck's boss and she funds MIT (go watch beginning of Civil War again).
Film just forgets about Pepper and hopes we do too.
In reality Pepper reveals that Beck isn't 'from another dimension' but just an embittered employee....... Peter Parker who after all is effectively Tony Starks adopted son...announces - yeah - I'm Spiderman -we kinda just saved the Universe from Thanos 5 minutes ago, remember?
And...film is over. Period. Fairy tale Magic not required.
Andrew Garfield brought so much emotion to his role this movie it's a credit to his acting talent.
...and yet we still hate him as Spider-Man. Go figure.
@@slockhrt we don’t hate him as spider man. It’s his movies. The directors did an awful job with his movies. He just did what he was told.
@@tariqmcmaster8668 I don't get what some people hate about the Andrew Garfield Spidermans. There were a few bad parts here and there but for the most part they were great
@@tariqmcmaster8668 No, we definitely hate him as Spider-Man. I don't have exposure to him in any other role, and I like the other two actors as Spider-Man. I didn't even watch his second movie, and he annoyed me in this one.
@@slockhrt don’t say “we” I know tons of people that love his portrayal of Spider-Man.
The reason why Tom Hardy's venom remembers Peter is because all the symbiotes throughout all the universes including the multiverse share a hive mind so whatever one symbiote knows another one could know about it too
There's absolutely no mention of this anywhere in MCU especially about the multiversal communication. Stop coming up with lame excuses to cover up shitty writing.
No he's actually right
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I think they said it on Venom 2 post credits scene
You can also read about it in the venom line King in Black is when they say they have a hive mind and it connects with all symbiotes everywhere so all they have to do is access the memories of another and they will instantly have all the knowledge that that symbiote also have
First the comic book came out in 2018 and of course plenty of people that read comic books love these movies even though they changed so much about them compared to the comic books but even so at the end of venom 2 venom explains the hive mind
Good job with this video, especially the outtakes.
10:27 don't forget his webbing dissolves in like 1 or 2 hours so unless the electric company repaired it before it dissolved then Jonah should have addressed it
The filmmakers want to get credit for all the nostalgia about Peter Parker but they don't even do him the decency of understanding who the character is or how his powers work. They don't care. They're thinking...cameo Andrew, Tobey and Holland together....print money. That's it.
@@summertyme5748 cope
Watching this movie felt like reading fan fiction. It was fun in the moment, but it makes no sense when you think too hard about it. I'm still bothered by the unexplained logic of that memory wipe thing- like why would Happy go to Aunt May's grave in the first place, wouldn't he not even know her without the Spider-man connections?
Let's be honest, fandom aside, the movie is fucking dumb.
They forgot who Peter was. Happy knew her through Spider-Man. He hooked up with Spiderman's aunt. It's as if everyone knew Spider-Man without having known his secret identity.
Peter would have had reintroduce himself to Aunt May if she were alive, because she knows Spider-Man is her nephew, but doesn't know his identity.
Unfortunately I sat beside someone who didn't care for the nostalgia they were riding on. Hence, she passed it on to me🙂
THANK YOU
This film's biggest sin was not properly following up on the post credit scene from Venom: Let There Be Carnage. That scene was mad hype and it needed to be respected with a proper intro between Holland and Hardy.
That’s more of a separate movie fight. They need their own movie together
The less the venom universe is involved the better.
That garbage movie should stay away from anything else
Hardy venom was an abomination
They are going to set venom up right in this universe
No, I'm sorry. But Hardy's Venom should not fight MCU Spider-Man. That Venom has no real reason to fight Spider-Man, and it's stupid for Sony to want that to happen AFTER making a Venom movie. Hardy's Venom has no reason to want to kill or even fight Spider-Man. So bringing him in just to drop off a piece of the symbiote was the smart choice.
He missed a very important sin (I think, unless I missed something). Dr. Strange said that all the villains were pulled into this universe because they all knew that Peter Parker was Spider Man. Here's the thing though: Electro never knew that Peter Parker was Spider Man, and even shows that he never knew who Spider Man was or what he looked like ("I kinda thought you'd be black"). So how did Electro get pulled into this dimension.
Correct. Oft sited plot hole. Never explained despite occasional desperate and dishonest attempts at head canon excuses.
doesnt elctro find out after MJ shows up helping him at the power plant at the end?
he knew, he wasn’t aware of Peter’s face tho
@@elisakirschtein3398 when did he find out then?
@@ezio5631 I rewatched the movie and paid close attention to that scene. Nothing was said or done that would tip off Electro to Peter's identity
Concerning the portal scene in the climax, I believe they established that Ned was using the wrong hand with the sling ring. (ding*)
Cheers for the triple ding for the nod to Miles being absent and written out.
The movement while unconscious thing was insinuated to be his spider sense moving his body on instinct. Which would indicate that the astro projection is just consciousness being removed but subconscious is untouched i guess. And without his conscious self, his body will react by instinct. And I will happily watch those 3 spiderman support group scene continue on.
But what instinct was it reacting on? There was no reason for his body to react
Additionally, if you look closely at astral Peter's head, you can see the squigglies of his spider sense, further emphasising this.
So basically instinct can move the body themselves without needing any consciousness?
@@fos1451 well i guess in some instances like a sleepwalker but still doesn't make sense in this context. The movements were just too direct like what we saw in Moon Knight
There was also slight waves around his head when in the astral form, which is the Spidersense
It has been said, but giving a sin off for Andrew catching MJ and reacting the way he did… yes! Easily one of the best parts in the movie!
I love that basically all sin removals involved him in some way
But just one though?
@@misphit1 The one where he says "I love Andrew Garfield"?
I request context
I uh
May have not watched any of the other 5 Spider Man movies yet because I wasn't aware I needed to see *three different stories of the same guy* to understand this movie lol
(I was being playful (?) in the bold 😅 but yeah I request context)
@@starcycle4308 well it's kind of a spoiler but given your comment you don't feel the need to watch tsam2 so I'll just fill you in.
essentially, in the Amazing Spider-Man 2, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man fights his universe's green goblin in a clocktower, and as the fight ends a bunch of the clock mechanisms fall out from being damaged. Gwen, Spider-Man's love interest of the TASM movies, was inside the tower and when the mechanisms break she falls. Peter attempts to catch her with a web but it catches her in a very bad way and far to late and the momentum snaps her neck while her head also hits the ground pretty hard from the impact, killing her instantly. now its assumed, since Garfield's Spider man has apparently been at it for a very long time after Gwen's death that we haven't seen but it's mentioned in NWH, that Garfield's version of spiderman has been obsessing about that trauma in his head over and over, how he should have done it differently, how he could have saved her if he had been just a little quicker, so when he sees Tom's Spiderman's girlfriend falling, the realities he has played out in his head hundreds of times where Gwen doesn't die, where he is able to save her, enable him to instinctually spring into action as soon as he sees her falling. he saves her, but he cries because she's not Gwen, and the realization sets in that no matter how much he obsesses over how she died, what he could have done differently, he can't ever go back and change it. he's stuck with his fatal mistake and the realization that he could have saved her, that it really is his fault she isn't alive. at the same time he cries because he is happy that Tom's spiderman never has to experience the pain of losing someone like MJ.
Overall it's a really beautiful moment for him because he finally gets some redemption for saving another spiderman's girlfriend the way he couldn't save his own, but bittersweet because it forces him to accept the harsh reality that he really could have saved Gwen, but he failed and nothing can ever bring her back.