Trying to FIX: Amazon Tablet and iPad
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2019
- Hi, this 'trying to fix' video shows me attempting to repair my friend's faulty Amazon Kindle Fire HD tablet and an Apple iPad Mini 2. The Amazon tablet doesn't charge so can't power up. The Apple iPad shows a cable and asks to connect to iTunes.
Sorry there is no quick version of this video.
Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things.
I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series.
Many thanks, Vince. - Навчання та стиль
"I would've thought that would've been replaceable".
Welcome to the world of Apple product repairs.
Apples throwaway landfill mentality!
If it boots and has iTunes logo that means it has failsafed and requiring DFU mode recovery (Default Factory Unit) which is very easy to preform.. tons of guides online. Usually what happpens if a corrupt firmware image or if older device or older firmware someone prob ripped cable out during the update and soft bricked it.. Apple baked in a failsafe to prevent hardbricking and allow recover attempts.
same on the ipad air 2
Rajan - they won't repair any legacy products, make them impossible for third parties to repair so they become junk - even though they're full of rare earth metals
@@realvivifromloona lol free repairs on everything? Who are you trying to lie to
After soldering a new chip, bga, on the board you should always test the nearby capacitors for short just to make sure you didn't short any power pins.
Vince's ability to find information and comprehend it is admirable. It took me two days to put a barbecue together. He drills into things and forges on. Amazing.
"Is this soldered into the board?"
Apple: Think Different.
I read the second part in Louis' voice.
Ah yes, I see men of culture indeed
If it was built any nicer, you couldn't afford it!
Lmao i too read it in louis' voice
@@handsolo1209I don't want to pay five thousand dollars for an underpowered piece of technology
Old video but for anyone seeing this in the future, a tip for these Amazon Fire Tablets:
The problem is almost always the charge port or battery. Honestly, 95% of the time. I've fixed many and all were one of the two.
I've fixed multiples where simply resoldering the charge port "fixed" it. I use quotes because the only fault is that Amazon builds these things as cheaply as possible and the solder broke the connection to the port, not allowing it to ever charge beyond 1%.
A few others had bad batteries like this here in the video and, tbh, a reppacement battery is about as much as a new tablet (by design) so you may as well buy a new tablet unless you have a spare battery on hand.
To end, those Fire Tablets are made with toothpicks and bubblegum. They aren't made to last long but when they do go it's usually an easy fix. Amazon just expects you to buy another by making 75% of the tablets cost come by way of the battery alone.
iPhone was charging battery
I’m one that enjoys your non organic fault finding too. Its neat to see you fix the worse ones
Had the same problem with my Lenovo I had left in my bag for months wouldn’t accept a charge ordered the wee charger for about £2, followed what you done, bingo !!! Switched on and charging no problems cheers mate great video
What? No more charging problems!?
those logic apple boards are very well designed. Amazing how many chips they can stuff on them and so close together.
I had so much faith you would fix both... Hope you get to fix it one day
I love the long videos, I love troubleshooting it's so satisfying to me
I think you should start putting an Amazon associates link for a soldering iron, heat gun ect in the description. Watching your videos got me back into soldering and I would have been happy for you to earn the commission, not sure how much you do these videos for the money but it was down to you I bought them so I'm sure there are others
Yes, tools, setup, etc, would be kinda nice
:D soldering can be so relaxing and so satisfying when you repair something
Fuck Amazon though - they're monopolising
Love seeing a new trying to fix video Vince.
I was literally going to bed but... hey there is a "My Mate VINCE" video !! I guess i will going to sleep late so :P
Yeah me too
Thank you Vince for the tip about the lithium battery charger. I have a few MP3 players that might not now need new batteries.
I'd strongly suggest replacing them anyway, there's a reason why most devices won't charge a lithium battery below a certain percentage. It's not because they think there's no battery nor is something wrong with any component but because charging a "dead" lithium battery may cause the battery to short itself and ignite the lithium.
where can i buy one of these chargers?
Brilliant, a Retrohax, a MMV and My Retro Watches all in one evening... sorted :D And my daughters iPad has a cracked screen so def be watching this a few times :)
Cheers Ian :-)
@13:00 That sticker is an RFID tag. It's used for inventory purposes by amazon.
Because iTunes is unable to read the serial number from the iPad it would point to be being a NAND issue.
Better repair shops will have a NAND programmer to hand but judging by the way this iPad was put back together it was not sent to a good repair shop.
Any decent repair centre will still put a device back together properly even if they deem it not repairable or not economically viable.
Missing screws and not reattaching the battery is sloppy work, fixable or not, and it doesn’t seem like any attempt was made to re-ball or reprogram the NAND which to any decent repair centre would be the obvious thing to do.
Apple devices can be really finicky and often using a different USB cable or a different USB port on your computer can get a restore working.
I also had an iPad recently that refused to be restored with iTunes on Windows with a similar 4xxx error code but restored first time on a Mac so it’s always good practice to try those steps if possible before anything else.
@@ItsNorman Yes that's right but I was under the impression in this case that the serial number was not being read at all, not just during DFU mode.
Forgive me, I was playing a game while watching this. I'll have to go back and re-watch the video to see if the serial was being read in recovery mode.
@@ItsNorman Yes indeed and its actually good that the checks are made before an update is pushed as it can keep a device from being bricked completely but Apple really needs to put more effort into being more specific with their error codes and showing the user what exactly has gone wrong.
We all know that will never happen though as they continue to fight the right to repair. They will always give as little information as possible to stop people from repairing products themselves.
If it can boot then it’s not a flash memory issue at all, as the very image Jon display comes from the NAND. I repaired 1000s of iPads and this is simply someone soft bricked it and the device failsafed.. all you need to do is to default factory unit recovery mode it in iTunes.. tons of guides online.
If it was a flash memory issue then it wouldn’t even display anything, I seen it on extremely rare occasions, and what happens is backlight comes on but nothing else, then boot cycles on and off rapidly.. I never personally recovered a complete failure and I would say if it’s not showing anything but backlight, get another opinion maybe missed something. But usually we eliminated display and other hardware so.. I said maybe 10% chance if rescuing such a failure if your lucky.
If it was a boot rom issue then it will show Apple logo, then within 5 seconds usually just cuts off and reboots.. boot rom issue isn’t a flash memory issue normally. It is usually corrupted portion of an update.. getting out of this isn’t impossible but very hard, sometime you can still DFU it and recover.. I say 60% change of recovery. Few techniques you can use to interrupt the boot looping like attempting DFU in different combinations just enough to lock it out of looping can trigger it to fall in standard recovery mode and you can use a modified iTunes or a custom tool to force install the correct IPSW software files..
This style of failure is stalled a failsafe, happens when during install of firmware something goes wrong during less critical portions of the update.. battery died, cable got ripped out if was updating via iTunes, or just a corrupted file so how got installed.. this specific type of failure where shows the iTunes logo and cable means you have 90% chance of recovery using DFU mode recovery.. still a very small chance DFU won’t work. I only had it fail a few times and those few times are because of a bad battery not accepting a charge during recovery and/or SoC consuming more power then being delivered over USB, it’s very rare usually limited to well out of date devices at this stage.
It's also missing the shield between the LCD and battery
Hi Vince I had the same problem with my Alba 7 inch tablet today. So I took the back cover off, then put my multimeter onto the black and red wires of the battery and it gave the battery the kick it needed. Then boom it fired up no problem. I also put some Deoxit Gold in the micro usb charge port too which also helped. Kind regards. Paul.
Was routing for you to fix that and do what the Apple guys couldnt. But atleast they couldnt fix it either. Youre great at this. Keep it up!
It's taken a while for the TP4056 to arrive, but I hadn't forgotten where I first saw it. It's now charging the Kindle up from 3.34 v, what a handy bit of kit, thanks.
hopefully you see this, i know this was 2 years ago. But can I use any cable to connect this to a kindle battery and does it need to be soldered?
I think it would be a worthy video, to show your viewers a tutorial on that charging board, how you wired it, and how it works
Similar problems with our iPad mini. Changed the charging port cable which is very cheap. Tricky soldering job. Guides on UA-cam. This cable does all communications and there are many connections. Problem sorted.
1 out of 2 is still pretty good. My daughter's fire tablet has a loose charge port too but I am not comfortable trying to take it apart to fix (or potentially break). I currently have to prop the plug in just so and have no one touch it until it's finished charging. Not the best but it is working for now.
Treena McGowan u would most likely need a soldering gun unless it’s only plug in
I’d give it a shot after watching a ton of how to videos
Just take the back off it and fold the port in abit I reckon. Probably just plugging and unplugging the cable a bunch stretches the port over time so gets loose
Those little USB voltage monitor sticks are handy for seeing if stuff is charging and also finding the best combo of charger and cable in terms of what delivers the most power. They only cost a tenner or so.
Hey Vince.
An old colleague of mine in IT did a lot of work on iPhones/iPads. From time to time, I've helped him out with some of the simpler tasks and because of that I've learned a few tricks.
Most of the time, when an iPad would loop like yours do, a simple restore would do the trick. However, in a small number of cases iTunes would give an error like the one in your video.
When that was the case, we would use a MacBook to restore the iPad instead.
Apparently MacOS (or possibly the iTunes version for MacOS) behaves differently in a way that makes it possible to restore a device, even when it loops.
Even though we only used Windows in the office, we had a Mac hidden in a drawer specifically because of this.
This will of course not help you in case of hardware failure, but from what I've seen in your video, it's definitely worth a try, assuming you have a Mac available in some capacity.
EDIT:
I forgot that the iPad flashed red, which I do believe means hardware failure, so if you don't own a Mac, it's probably not worth looking for one to borrow.
Ello Vince. That Fire tablet can be used as an Alexa device with screen, like the Echo show. Have a quick Google and it will tell you what to do to set it up. :)
I have an Amazon Fire 7 7th Gen and it takes about 15 to 20 minutes to even show signs of life if it has been off and completely flat for a while. I think you should have had more out of it just by giving it some normal charge from the USB brick if the battery was within acceptable limits. That's a handy little PCB you've got there.
Really do enjoy all your videos Vince, top bloke👍
Seeing these notifications make me happy lol
The iTunes logo and the cable means “connect to iTunes”
@@deluxe2644 ???
Braz TMZ you crazy
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I subscribed to your channel
@@b.war08 ok
good video Vince.. its good info on lithium batteries. keep up the good work.
I did some research on my own time, and apparently the red screen flash you got with the iPad does signify NAND failure. I don't really work on Apple devices myself unless they show extreme promise, but you're also correct in that the NAND is quite hard to replace. If I remember correctly, heating it up too much will kill it entirely, heating it up too little won't let it off the board. Stupidly fragile devices they are ;p
And yet, they charge stupidly inflated prices for their stuff, I don't really understand why people like Apple, had a company iphone once and I completely disliked it.
CaptmagiKono aPpLe Is UsEr FrIeNdLy
@@user-qv9ho1lj3z If that is their actual reason, I have to disagree, but maybe i'm not the "average" user then, because I think they are LESS user friendly, ironically.
@@CaptmagiKono i think its easier to use but it doesnt make it better. I think once youre used to ios its okay, problem with apple for me really is apple
CaptmagiKono
The way he was writing that *does* instill at least a tiny bit of sarcasm/irony, doesn’t it?
Say what you want about these amazon fire tablets but my kids have stress-tested these beyond all reasonable scenarios. Liquid, sat on, dropped dozens of times. Even thrown in tantrums and they still work (with no protective case!) They are built from granite and i tip my hat to anyone that can break one.
Hold my beer...
@@PunkNDisorderlyGamer Still holding.....
@@Tass... lol
I broke the screen with a suction cup
I have one and its brilliant, use it far more than I ever did my Ipad
For the iPad, I think using playing cards works better than that metal pick. They're paper, so they're gentler, and you also have a lot of them. Regardless, cracking open iPad's are always a pain.
5:57 Thats the Recovery mode screen. It says you got to connect it to iTunes to restore or update the iPad.
why cant he get out of the recovery mode though
These videos are coming thick and fast 🤗 and 500k subs should follow 👍
12:40 That sticker could be some kind of theft protection for stores
correct that sticker is an RFID tag to stop thieves and they get disabled when you purchase the item through the security system's computer.
@@deathray0718 Actually no. It is an RFID tag, but that's used to program it to your Amazon account if you order it directly from Amazon. The Kindle E-Ink models have this too. The tag used for theft protection is much larger and on the packaging itself.
@@Vynncent It would make sense online but all the one's at Walmart have them they each only contain a security code I tested this theory with my phone emitting the same security key from a different one that wasn't purchased and sounded the passage alarm. So online will make sense not both.
You can boost a battery by using a regular non regulated wall charger to boost un under charged battery but if it's a multi cell battery, never over charge any one cell or you will ruin the battery. Just charge each cell up to a level the supplied charger will then properly charge it from then on.
Great job =D I fixed a Hudl with the same sort of issue as that Amazon Fire - when the battery goes too low, or if it cannot charge they just wont boot (video to upload soon if my Mum ever videos it working lol). iPads and iPhones are a world of hurt when it comes to trying to swap parts out. You need a proper microscope really to work on them, everything is so incredibly small =/
Thank You I had to do all the steps and Now it works Thanks Again
12:37 its the anti theft tag. the one that sets off the larms if you try to walk out of the store with it.
Hi @mymatevince
What is the liquid flux that you use, the magic one that connects the solder to the circuits when you spread it across, I've seen you use it on another video, but i can't find that video, all the flux I can find is the paste in a syringe. But it doesn't look the same as yours.
Maybe it's exclusive to the UK 💷 🇧🇾.
Love the video as always 👍🏻
I find those dental brushes you get for braces are pretty good for cleaning ports with IPA 👍
Great video as always Vince, a bit of a bittersweet result. Hope you can help me with a question, how can a battery be so low charged, that it cannot be charged, thanks!
Thanks, I think it is a safety thing, once it goes under a certain voltage the device thinks it is unsafe to charge the battery, as it may be damaged. So a little kick start can sometimes get it working again. It is something along those lines :-)
Phoneboard view is good for ipads/iphones, try looking for diode mode readings as well
You need to reball the tristar chip with a stencil and clean off the old solder.
He did mention doing it, just didn't have the stencil to do it and didn't really want to take it that far.
I have same issue with iPhone 5s and it flicked red was bad screen connection , but different error but same fault says cable or connection I replaced cable and lightening connector all failed new battery new connection so board all I got left I Wana try reball like you but new board is £65 32gb but new nand chip would be nice ! Hope this helps a lil, also safety warnings if lipo is below 2v 1 cell don't try recharge it as I set fire to my room doing that , no one hurt and melted door that's all lol
The solder thing of the charging ports on the ipad only applies to some ipad minis. I got an iPad 4th Gen motherboard with 2 broken connectors and im certain that the charging port wasn't soldered.
Definitely a NAND issue. Needs to be formatted at least, I usually just replace the NAND if it has issues just to save time
Where do you get the nands from? and how would you replace a iphone 8 nand that keeps on rebooting the iphone after latest ios went on
@@vickihenderson8468 other donor boards, other parts sellers. I use a JCPro1000S to reprogram them
Thanks Vince
I bet you that sticker on the inside of the case seemingly randomly stuck there on an angle is for inventory control...like to prevent someone from stealing it from the store until it was deactivated.
it does look like an rfid tag...
Hi Vince, thanks for your interesting Videos.
I was wondering what that thing you used to charge the battery of the first one is called or how i can buy it. Thanks a lot.
It’s good the kid likes what you do when I was 19 and my uncle was a it tech he would show me what parts and tools for when he was building me a cheap gaming pc it inspired me I am 33 have some knowledge but need more so home studying for Comptia A + then save the money to get vouchers and go to a centre to sit core 1 and then after a while do core 2 I love trouble shooting like you 👍
I've found personally that on occasion if a lithium battery is just left without any charging for a while like months or years the charge drains low enough to where it just doesn't except charge and you just have to jump start it, I guess when the charge gets too low then it the charging Circuit doesn't think there is a battery and so it doesn't send a charge to those leads
I’ve heard this and there’s special chargers u need to use that u plug the battery directly into to trick the battery into taking a charge then it will start working again but in the devise there’s safety modes that won’t allow a dead battery to charge
This is a very bad idea tho, the reason a dead lithium battery doesn't charge is not because the circuit thinks there is no battery. The cells are degrading (copper dissolves into the cell) when discharging to a critically low level. Charging it up causes the dissolved metal to crystallize again and if you are unlucky those crystals might pierce the membrane within the cell separating the leads. This may cause a short within the cells of the battery and cause the lithium to ignite. It's not guaranteed to happen but I'd strongly suggest replacing a jump-charged lithium battery as soon as possible and not trust it anymore (aka don't leave it in something unattended).
@@Stunex wow this is some very useful insight I didn't know about, but you have to admit that it can be a usefull method for diagnosing the issue and since I've done this a couple times on different products I'd say its not the riskyest thing to do but ya know that I know the risk of ignighting the lithium I'd definitly say that if this method works then a battery replacement is your best next step
Love this vid
Vince, Keep taking the tablets !! :-)
Looks so much better with the picture flipped so we're looking "over your shoulder" 😊😊😊
That Ipad is missing quiet a few parts, from screws to the shield.
Those errors usually as to do with the memory chip itself and if you in China it will be a cheap job to swap the chip itself.
Here in the UK dont bother with it. Cheaper to buy a used one or even new one
Marcos Tomasini, it’s pronounced iPad!!
Jxst Dex stfu you are a 5 year old android user
Jxst Dex that’s just sad .
Gamer Crammer, I’m not a android user you fucking moron.
Dane l Hinsh, Shut the fuck up..
Please provide links to the small charge devise or what it is called. Thanks
I love your content !!!!!
If the repair shop lost screws and didn't even connect the battery back I wouldn't trust much about their skills to fix anything.
24:44 that came off particularly easy me: gets my staples easy button and presses it THAT WAS EASY
Hi Did Apple stop supporting the software updates on the ipad mini 2, i know they did with my mini 1, the last up date for mine ios 9
The little thing inside of the amazon one reminded me of an rfid tracking sticker
hey man! the easiest tablet to repair has to be the samsung galaxy tab 2 7.0, there so easy to change parts! other than the screen. Maybe try one of those? (I.e. they actually do use an apple 30 pin cable, just have to push some pins in the port of the tablet. just plug in the charger upside down takes almost a day for a full charge that way though.)
Vince, I had same error on iPhone trying to restore last weekend. Believe it or not updating my iTunes fixed the issue.
hsr65 wow congratulations
Clearly you’re not understanding. I’m talking about the version of iTunes running on the pc. Not what he was trying to restore the iPad to.
hsr65 I’m congratulating you
Im a big fan I've always been into tech i want to work in it I've been watching your vids for ages
Hi ,having had a blackberry playbook battery go so low it refused to charge i googled and found a practice called stack charging ,in essence you plug it in then remove the power and keep repeating until the battery is to the level where it suddenly starts charging, It works!
The little charging board looks interesting so i have bought a couple to try and charge some batteries that could be ok but replaced
What's the device you were using to put charge into the battery and where did you purchase it?
You probably already seen but at 45:57 pause it. Next to the apple chip there is a burnt out capacitor. It should be the orange/brownish color but its swelled up an black. Rite above another of same color an next to a greenish one. Hope that helps.
put flux around the nand and warm it up itll reball itself with enough heat same with other but not all under soldered board chips
I haven't read the comments and I've stopped the video at 30m 26s just to tell you a red screen generally means a camera fault. I hope this one gets fixed lol
If the internal antenna has come off, that's exactly what they do too.
@@scottfirman ah ok I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. We learn something new every day lol
when I opened up my amazon fire 7 I used a small flathead screwdriver and didn't crack the screen.
NAND for sure, that's why serial number was N/A cause it's written on that chip.
Well, I have an iPhone 4 stuck in recovery mode loop even after restore. Strange thing Is that there were no errors.
Although it did get error 4014 which is the same as error 4013. It had its serial number showing up.
Oh god, i havent even watched yet but i know you had a nightmare with that Ipad
Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm!?
It’s pronounced iPad you idiot!!
Almost all Apple products should be taken to an authorized repair dealer, most of their lineup up to 2012 is still supported and perform well enough. If you don't have apple care go to a third party repair who will charge less. if you plan to use their devices for 4-5 years I would always recommend Apple care. Oh and I don't blindly support Apple, I only own one of their devices (ipad).
@Jxst Dex people can say it however they like. Leave him alone.
Ello Vince, When you press Power and Home on the iPad Mini it turns on and goes into recovery mode that requires iTunes.
The Amazon Tablet won't boot into the OEM Menu to hard reset as you have to gain developer premissons by pressing the Build Number in Settings > About and press allow OEM unlock then it will work.
The software for the iPad is either badly installed or corrupppted.
Just restore the iPad in iTunes with a PC. More info on Apple.
Also the Apple logo usually flashes or goes off and on in a loop due to a flat battery from no battery charge in the battery
them charge unites can be found in most E CIG shops over the UK as a common charger for under £2 ..??? 3.7v li-on high amp
What was this mythical 'night out' you speak of? Such fabled things from yesterday year. Sigh! Thanks.
Hi there , any chance of sayin what equipment you are using esp scope and camera. Thanks.
Error 4005 is being suffered here too. i bought a new battery for ipad 2 but if you all are saying a nand issue it would be pointless to try anything else after the battery replacement.
Ye I had an iPhone 5s and the nand chip was broke and it done the exact same thing it went to the red screen I just sold it as I'm not able to do micro soldering
Love your videos. How can I send you an red Xbox one controller for you to fix. Does not power with battery’s but does with cable. Was working now not.
I have had that happened before Vince. I had a nokia n9 it was bootlooping because it couldn't take a charge and that's because it has been sitting for 2 years. When the battery gets too low It just doesn't like to charge from It causing issues. Sadly couldn't fix It as It uses screws which I don't have the right tool to remove so It's gone now. The battery was probably fine but the charging circuit couldn't handle it from the looks of things
Great video Vince, What is the name of the chip you have used for the repair? or better still do you have a link for it?
Thanks!
the battery charger manager chip can still bee defect. If you distracted de Amazon Fire it can go below 3.7v.
What is the name of the charger which reviewed the battery? How can I found and buy myself one? Seems pretty handy. :)
I've got maybe 4 android phones and 3 or 4 android tablets laying around that have given up the ghost over the years. I'd happily donate them for videos, but I can't do shipping to the UK...
Might just be because of the lighting at 47:15 but top centre of the screen the left capacitor looks burnt and the one below it horizontal looks like it has a black mark on it aswell
You were trying to put the iPad in recovery mode. To restore like that you need to put it into DFU mode
His nand is dead anyway im pretty sure, those red flashes mean that im fairly sure
i third it
Rahul Chandra I forth
If you got to recovery menu with iTunes plug you should be able restore it to factory recovery and it updated it too latest iOS though iTunes Store. If it doesn’t work could be bad iPad lighting cable try another one see if it connects to your iTunes on windows or Mac. Good Luck 👍 Bud.
Had the same problem on iPad mini 2 iTunes error 4005 does everything according to iTunes restore what was the real cause and fix
Vince, can you make a video about bios mod in the Mega CD?
the ipad you need to ground yourself as the bit under the shielding is the solid state hard drive & you can easily corrupt the data just by touching it
jason adams, it’s pronounced iPad!!
its an apple product that you cant repair
I would of applied heat to those two major IC's first, which may reseat the chips on their pads, one at a time on that i-pad. Thanks for the video..
Jerry Georgopolis, it’s pronounced iPad you idiot
Can you or have you been a fix on a xbox one elite controller I have the frist one that come out an my micro charger port is broken an I would love to know how to replace it thanks
I bet u would just need to re solder or replace the charging port
I'm not an expert, but it looks like there's 2 pads to the right of the Tristar chip that are empty @47:11, would a capacitor or resistor have gone there?
It's a good thing just channels like this because you'll never get anything done unless you try so people who least try to fix things finally doing something people just throw things away are wasting their lives and it's time to end this doorway existence
Re-Balling any chip is really hard if you don't have the guide or proper Jig for respective chip, For that reason I have never removed and replaced such chips "You certainly have bigger balls for that Vince" Best one can do on the home front is to heat suspect chips up for a reflow.. Anyway APU I dropped alike..
:-)
Try and put the iPad in dfu mode, I had the same problem and put it in dfu mode and it worked