For snap builders lacquer thinner is fine, but be careful advising using lacquer thinner for cleaning up in general, it's going to make new painters cry. On painted kits, lacquer-based thinner will eat through lacquer, enamel and acrylic paints. Better to use the same type of thinner based on the type used for inking the panel lines, the Tamiya panel liners are enamel type, so use enamel thinner or lighter fluid. it won't damage the plastic if applied with control and don't let the paint and thinner seep in between the plastic or joints, cos then they won't be able to evaporate and then damage/crack the plastic. It's not enamel paint or thinner that's the issue, it's how and how much and where you apply.
I prefer panel lining completely in black, and the reason why is that I can see it easily from my display shelves without having to look closely to find those finer details. If realism mattered more to me I would definitely vary the colors used.
I know people say use brown on the yellow parts but i think it looks awful. At some point i will fill out colours to get a grey and light grey for contrasts.
Used to build lots of gunpla 20+ years ago in my early teens and got back into it (transitioning from making motorcycle plastic models). For panel lining, best bit of advice I can give is to use an eraser (the ones you rub out pencil lines with) and they clean up real well, and no damage to the plastic. For the tighter spots I use the Tombow mechanical erasers (Ultra-fine 2.3mm) and it does the job pretty well. For precision, you can use the craft knife to scrape some of the paint but you can easily scratch the plastic so use this technique with caution.
I agree. Just discovered “Gundam” and Gunpla (I mean, I knew about it for years but just finally started watching the Anime and want to build Gunpla, lol) and his videos have been some of the best for noobs like me!
I usually use dark gray on white parts instead of regular gray. The regular just never seems to go on well for me but the dark gray is a nice medium that looks dramatic without looking like it was drawn on.
very useful! I mostly build warhammer space marines and miniatures for games but recently bought some panel liner to try out. Now I know how to actually clean up when the panel liner goes where it shouldn't (mostly the fault of my shaky hands). There are so many tricks that many in the war gaming crowd are missing out on by staying in their own circle!
Just getting into Gunpla building. Thank you for the tutorial. Got the PG RX-78-2 and the PG RX-0 Unicorn as my first kits. It will definitely be a learning curve, but I’m sure I’ll enjoy the build immensely. Cheers!
@@aMillaGunpla I appreciate it! I grew up building plastic scale models (tank, aircraft, cars, etc). Gundam theme had always been on my radar, but I didn’t get serious about it until I saw Adam Savage’s PG RX-78-2 one day build. It looks like a very rewarding experience throughout. So I’m very excited to join such a vibrant community! 👍
@@lookbudy take your time. I’m probably much older than you, and I have a stable job and a family. It doesn’t happen overnight, so definitely do what you can now to enjoy the hobby, when timing is right, you will be able to get bigger sets as well.
ALOT and i mean ALOT of people dont mention tamiya panel liner is enamel based so its best you use enamel based panel liners on a lacquer based paint job. So when you clean off the panel liner with a enamel thinner, the paint does not come off
I didn't learn anything new from this video, but I have been building for some time now. Having said that, if I were new to the hobby, you have made a fantastic video. No fluff, just substance.
My first kit I used a mechanical pencil and it looked kinda bleh. Then I got some gundam panel liner fluid types and they're pretty good although they smudge super easy, making them kind of a pain to handle while they're still wet. But, they're super easy to clean up once dry and what you use to clean it is pretty flexible. I use Meths which is just a regular ass cleaning product, it's cheap as only a couple bucks for a litre. More recently I've been using the Sumire style gundam markers, they're cool. Definitely pick them up if you're wanting to line areas that aren't actual panel lines, more so edges. Because sometimes the paint just won't flow along parts. On top of their sheer versatility they're also super easy to clean up on UNPAINTED PARTS. All you need is to just rub the excess with an eraser or finger or if you wanna go super sweaty, a toothpick to really get sharp detail. But, do not, under any circumstances use them on painted parts you will not be able to clean them at all. They are purely for straight builds or before a top coat finish. My recommendation if you're just starting out, get a black Sumire style gundam panel liner. They're the easiest to work with just being a pen really, and they're cheap. Don't need anything except a finger to clean them and they can look really good
That quill pen technique looks very interesting but I think I’ll stick to Gundam markers for my panel lining for now. Sure they’re not ideal, but they get the job done and they’re pretty easy to use. I mostly use a combination of the pour-type markers and the fine liners. The pour types are used for details and fiddly bits and the fine liners are for bolder lines and minor bits of shading. Sometimes I’ll also use the Gundam Real Touch markers for panel lining with a bit more color. For example I did most of the lines on my HGUC Ground Gundam with the Real touch GM402 Grey 2. The slightly brownish grey fits better with the grounded/gritty character of that Mobile Suit.
Markers definitely are easier! And I don’t doubt you could get good results with them. Maybe I’ll revisit them and see what kind of results I can get after having used panel liner for so long 🤔
Never thought of using a quill pen! That seems to open up possibilities in using custom colors for panel lining too. Is there a specific pen you recommend?
I'm kind of wishing I had watched this before I bought some Gundam markers, but it should be ok, these are just some HG kits, well, I also have an RG Zaku II and an SD Zaku II. I have an HG RX-78 and Heavyarms built already, and a Gframe Zaku II and Gframe Aegis Gundam.
Thanks! I got them from Amazon (link in desc) but of course you could find q-tips anywhere. I just ordered from Amazon because they have pointed tips, which can be better for certain areas
I'm cursed I think. I've used all kinds of black inks and dyes and thin paint formulas, from Vallejo black wash to thinned Citadel Abaddon black to Valhalla 'Black Dynamite' tattoo ink but I can't get any capillary action out of my quill liner. I haven't tried India ink or Tamiya lining fluid yet, but surface tension is surface tension, so as long as it's not a thick fluid I should be seeing these results, and I'm not. My quill touches A crack and bupkis happens. It goes absolutely nowhere. I have to manually line every millimeter of crack by hand like I'm scribing details.
Markers are a good place to start, but with panel liner, I like the satisfaction of the paint flowing through the panel lines, which you can't get with markers.
I noticed you were using Tamiya paint; yet you chose Mr. Color Thinner -- any reason why you chose not to use Tamiya thinner? And on a model ship deck to resemble wood; what base color and wash would you recommend to resemble teak wood? (I'm building the Battleship Bismarck from Agroa Models which is why I'm asking . . if it helps, the deck is a weird pink/flesh, or very washed out brown; but definitely does not look like wood.) - Thanks
Mr. Color is what I use for lacquer paints, so it's pretty much the main thinner I buy. I haven't tried Tamiya's thinner before, but I'd imagine it should work just as well
Kind of late to this, but I'm just getting into using top coat and Tamiya panel line accent colour and had a question. Would the procedure be to top coat on assembled kit (broken up into head, chest, arms, etc.) -> panel line on disassembled kit (piece by piece as if just taken off runner) -> decals -> top coat again? I've only got Mr. Super Clear Matte on me at the moment, considering getting the gloss finish for first top coat.
LOL Lacquer thinner. We use it to strip cars' paint and definitely not used for 'cleaning' excess paint...for plastics, even paint thinners, when used too much, is damaging. Just use lighter fluid mate or say goodbye to an MGEX!
Great tutorial!💪 I have one clarification though, I was working on my RG Exia and a certain part in the arm became brittle and broke (good thing I was able to salvage it with glue) after I applied Tamiya Panel Lining Dark Gray. I am confused, was it the Panel Line Enamel that caused it or was it the Thinner which was a Tamiya X20 Enamel Thinner?
A mix of both actually; Tamiya panel liner is essentially a thinned down enamel paint. So be careful where you're applying the panel liner, and try not to let it seep into gaps between armor or crevices between parts. If the thinner isn't given enough room to evaporate, it is possible to damage the plastic
Seriously, lacquer thinner?!? Use Enamel thinner or lighter fluid please.... For bare parts may be ok, but if you had painted the parts, top coated the parts, using lacquer thinner is a disaster, it melts the paint right away....
Are panel liners used for darker models. For example a gloss black car, what would you use for the door and hood lines, which color or would you not use at all???
I have only ever used black souly for that animation look, I love it, and sometimes I miss some spots to clean, and I just finger rub it to give it a almost dry brushed aged look, it's not pro, but I like it, it's got my jank
GREAT VIDEO about to start panel lining my first model with my boyfriend tomorrow, so im currently trying to learn every tip before we ruin our gundams. thanks for the video !
For anyone looking for an alternative to thinners for removing excess panel line ink, lighter fluid works equally well. With one caveat, it doesn't make the plastic brittle and break. I use the lighter fluid used to light charcoal briquettes and it's been great. Other builders have known to use Zippo lighter fluid exclusively for panel line removal. As for the black liner on white pieces debate; the reason some builders avoid it is because it can leave a shadow/smudge that won't go away no matter how much you try to remove it. The gray one doesn't have this problem. I only use brown for yellows and oranges.
I learned the hard way about testors thinner. Fucking ruined the plastic on the Wing Zero Honoo for me, but I ended up turning it into a heavily battle damaged abandoned sort of machine. Still I hate that I had to get creative cause of it
If the plastic cracks from the Testers that is either 1) user error and the only way i see this happening is if you just left it sit there for days on end with out being cleaned or the more likely cause 2) garbage plastic.
Just opened a mastergreade F91. It's my first Gunpla kit. I have experience in model building and I am finding out that gunpla is a whole other world in terms of building. Thankyou for this video as I am very hesitant about panel lining and making sure I do a top notch job.
I have to say as a builder for almost 10 years now, I find grey, light grey, and brown panel liner to be the best universal colors. I use to use a lot of black when I first started out for those more exaggerated strong panel lines. Over the years I have become more of a professional builder and find grey/light grey to give me the subtle panel line details you should expect to see from more professional model builders even beyond gunpla. I would suggest anyone to take the time to watch professional model makers in other things like ships, planes, and tanks who have been building for decades. They have such a wealth of knowledge beyond what most gunpla modelers have.
Great tip! Gunpla is definitely young compared to older practices like military vehicles and even Warhammer/DnD miniatures. A lot of cool paint effects I’ve seen were actually done on minis!
@@poh5796 Hmmm you can technically thin it out to make it "lighter", but it won't change the pigment color, it would just change the density of it. Plus, that means more thinner is being used, which increases the chance of cracking. If you have any spare parts that aren't used in your build, I would try it out on one of those first.
@@poh5796 I mean if you have it already I wouldn’t be discouraged. Black isn’t a bad color by any means. Iv just seen people go overboard with it and a model turn out to have that more artsy drawn look to it. It works sometimes but such a strong color is unnecessary on a lot of models unless your dealing with a model that is already majority a dark color
Don't know about using your 15$ bottle of airbrushing thinner to clean up enamel paint. I'd go with lighter fluid or Tamiya X-20 on an unpainted kit. If you're painting your kit, and you put down a clear coat before you applied the panel liner, you're good against cracking, since Tamiya Panel liner itself can crack the plastic
It should, but it take longer to remove because it’s not as strong as thinner. 91% isopropyl alcohol also has the potential the crack parts as well, but not as quickly as enamel thinner
I build PCs but recently started collecting to start Gunpla. Quick search, I found your channel. Really like the vibes and production you got going on. Keep it up. I’ll prolly hit you up with questions.
There are Gundam markers you can get now that act like the ink with brush, where pushing them down on the surface releases ink onto it. It's slightly messier but it's still pretty great.
Newcomer here! Watching your videos is helpful to my beginner painting skill. I got MG Unicorn Gundam as my first kit a week ago. One thing I could say is that it is unbalanced and the waist-leg joint is so stiff making the leg come out every damn time I change its posture even though I did a decent job in building it.
My problem with it is the skirt and ankle armor seem to be held on with hopes and dreams instead of any actual friction, also I gave up on having him hold the gun for a similar issue, this one will not be moved very much
Depends on how you like to panel line. Generally, I panel line last because the less panel lining I "need" to do, the better, and seeing the kit fully complete helps me visualize what I want panel lined
Wow. Just found this whole hobby and it’s mind boggling. I think I may do one at one point in time but I definitely want to panel line. Although on say a top line PG do you still panel line? Doesn’t it come with enough detail?
Top coat will always help protect the plastic from cracking. You can reduce the chance of cracking by only using small amounts of panel liner at a time as well. The same goes for using thinner to clean up. Make sure the plastic has plenty of room to "breathe" so the panel liner/thinner can evaporate quickly.
thx for the video, It's difficult to get the products in here, so I test several water gel and pigment ink water proof in scraps (runners) and try to remove with my finger and keeps the gundam line without becoming a mess. I found out a nice option: "Edding 1880" drawliner 0.05 mm and alcohol for electronics works fine to clean with a cotton swab
I just use a pin point sharpie and alcohol wipes to get rid of any excess. Still panel lining is really hard for me because I don’t have a steady hand.
Lacquer thinner is a HOTTER chemical than Enamel thinner as Lacquer is the stronger paint. If you have problems with Enamel thinner on your plastic then Lacquer thinner will do worse. You should only use those thinners on paint that has a good primer coat to protect the plastic. Newer plastics being mostly thinner and recycled can suffer more to Krazing (or Crazing). There's plenty of videos regarding this and is a must watch for newer and apparently older painters as well.
I find that a calligraphy brush pen (mine's from Pentel) is a relatively cheap way to get very dark, and fairly thin ink into the panel lines. It's easily removable via a wooden toothpick and the darkness of the ink can somewhat be controlled by squeezing the plastic ink well a bit more for darker lines.
What about panel lining already painted parts? something like this ua-cam.com/video/uLj4Zi44ZKE/v-deo.html How did he clean the excess black with ruing the yellow?
After painting, do a coat of clear gloss. The gloss allows the panel liner to flow easily through the lines, while acting as a protective barrier for the paint underneath
You can, but you'll want to put a coat of clear gloss on before panel lining, then after panel lining, you can coat with clear gloss or clear satin, depending on the finish you want
If I detail paint a kit, apply clear acrylic gloss coat, then panel line, is lacquer thinner still safe to use to remove the smudges of the panel line? Will it affect the acrylic gloss coat at all?
It will affect the gloss coat a bit, but that is exactly what I use a gloss coat for! It protects the paint underneath, and typically I will do another topcoat over the panel line to get the desired gloss/matte finish
I didn't know there was a grey haha, I'm still a beginner for panel lining, I bought a black colour panel liner with the brush on it. If I I want it like silver colour, I usually put a one drop of ink on it and then I would like use a tissue or something and rub the excess with it to make it a bit smear which gives it a bit grey lookie🤣🤣
For snap builders lacquer thinner is fine, but be careful advising using lacquer thinner for cleaning up in general, it's going to make new painters cry. On painted kits, lacquer-based thinner will eat through lacquer, enamel and acrylic paints. Better to use the same type of thinner based on the type used for inking the panel lines, the Tamiya panel liners are enamel type, so use enamel thinner or lighter fluid. it won't damage the plastic if applied with control and don't let the paint and thinner seep in between the plastic or joints, cos then they won't be able to evaporate and then damage/crack the plastic. It's not enamel paint or thinner that's the issue, it's how and how much and where you apply.
I feel like the enamel liner should have all those points on the bottle, sadly most people learn the hard way. Like me! Cracked some feet :' )
Yes you explained this right, Lacquer thinner being a hotter chemical than enamel thinner.
I prefer panel lining completely in black, and the reason why is that I can see it easily from my display shelves without having to look closely to find those finer details. If realism mattered more to me I would definitely vary the colors used.
I know people say use brown on the yellow parts but i think it looks awful. At some point i will fill out colours to get a grey and light grey for contrasts.
Used to build lots of gunpla 20+ years ago in my early teens and got back into it (transitioning from making motorcycle plastic models). For panel lining, best bit of advice I can give is to use an eraser (the ones you rub out pencil lines with) and they clean up real well, and no damage to the plastic. For the tighter spots I use the Tombow mechanical erasers (Ultra-fine 2.3mm) and it does the job pretty well. For precision, you can use the craft knife to scrape some of the paint but you can easily scratch the plastic so use this technique with caution.
You should make some of the Gunpla ride the motorcycles.
@@bigbaz4632 Honestly that might be a fun idea haha
You are criminally underrated
Haha, I appreciate it, but all in due time. The slow start helps with getting to know everyone 🙂
When a comment gets magnitudes more likes than the video. Well. I gave you both one 😊
Ima come back to this when u hit a million to prove I’m an og! Great work bro keep it up!
I agree. Just discovered “Gundam” and Gunpla (I mean, I knew about it for years but just finally started watching the Anime and want to build Gunpla, lol) and his videos have been some of the best for noobs like me!
I usually use dark gray on white parts instead of regular gray. The regular just never seems to go on well for me but the dark gray is a nice medium that looks dramatic without looking like it was drawn on.
Same! Dark gray is the happy medium.
very useful! I mostly build warhammer space marines and miniatures for games but recently bought some panel liner to try out. Now I know how to actually clean up when the panel liner goes where it shouldn't (mostly the fault of my shaky hands). There are so many tricks that many in the war gaming crowd are missing out on by staying in their own circle!
I almost always go for black panel lines because I really like the animated look. Also, good tip on using a quill pen!
For sure, they definitely take some getting use to, but I much prefer it to a paint brush. And it just feels fancier 😅
One more Gunpla tutorial before bed...
Sees my favourite Mobile Suit Tallgeese. Alright I'm paying attention 😂
personally i prefer black panel line because it makes the lines stand out more and i personally just think it looks better
I was actually going to say the same! I have other colors but black just looks better to me honestly
Just getting into Gunpla building. Thank you for the tutorial. Got the PG RX-78-2 and the PG RX-0 Unicorn as my first kits. It will definitely be a learning curve, but I’m sure I’ll enjoy the build immensely. Cheers!
What a strong start! Good luck on your builds, hopefully they turn out great!
@@aMillaGunpla I appreciate it! I grew up building plastic scale models (tank, aircraft, cars, etc). Gundam theme had always been on my radar, but I didn’t get serious about it until I saw Adam Savage’s PG RX-78-2 one day build. It looks like a very rewarding experience throughout. So I’m very excited to join such a vibrant community! 👍
@@yw9686 its been 5 months how did it go :)
dayumm PG's for ur first kits! I haven't even done one PG yet, i dont have money :c
@@lookbudy take your time. I’m probably much older than you, and I have a stable job and a family. It doesn’t happen overnight, so definitely do what you can now to enjoy the hobby, when timing is right, you will be able to get bigger sets as well.
ALOT and i mean ALOT of people dont mention tamiya panel liner is enamel based so its best you use enamel based panel liners on a lacquer based paint job. So when you clean off the panel liner with a enamel thinner, the paint does not come off
Good stuff!!
I will probably use a hybrid approach, as I like the contrast of shadows and 'gasket' lines. Love the use of the pen!
I thank you with a subscribe my friend. Digestible conversational delivery, great editing. As a noob I really appreciate it.
Thanks so much! Glad I'm able to help the community, and I hope I can keep bringing some beneficial content!
I didn't learn anything new from this video, but I have been building for some time now. Having said that, if I were new to the hobby, you have made a fantastic video. No fluff, just substance.
Thank you Raimy! That's the goal, helping people get back to the hobby as quick as possible!
My first kit I used a mechanical pencil and it looked kinda bleh. Then I got some gundam panel liner fluid types and they're pretty good although they smudge super easy, making them kind of a pain to handle while they're still wet. But, they're super easy to clean up once dry and what you use to clean it is pretty flexible. I use Meths which is just a regular ass cleaning product, it's cheap as only a couple bucks for a litre. More recently I've been using the Sumire style gundam markers, they're cool. Definitely pick them up if you're wanting to line areas that aren't actual panel lines, more so edges. Because sometimes the paint just won't flow along parts. On top of their sheer versatility they're also super easy to clean up on UNPAINTED PARTS. All you need is to just rub the excess with an eraser or finger or if you wanna go super sweaty, a toothpick to really get sharp detail. But, do not, under any circumstances use them on painted parts you will not be able to clean them at all. They are purely for straight builds or before a top coat finish.
My recommendation if you're just starting out, get a black Sumire style gundam panel liner. They're the easiest to work with just being a pen really, and they're cheap. Don't need anything except a finger to clean them and they can look really good
Thanks for the suggestion! I've only tried the fine-tipped Gundam markers, maybe I'll have to try out the ones you're talking about!
So how long you let dry before cleaning with thinnee
That quill pen technique looks very interesting but I think I’ll stick to Gundam markers for my panel lining for now. Sure they’re not ideal, but they get the job done and they’re pretty easy to use.
I mostly use a combination of the pour-type markers and the fine liners. The pour types are used for details and fiddly bits and the fine liners are for bolder lines and minor bits of shading. Sometimes I’ll also use the Gundam Real Touch markers for panel lining with a bit more color.
For example I did most of the lines on my HGUC Ground Gundam with the Real touch GM402 Grey 2. The slightly brownish grey fits better with the grounded/gritty character of that Mobile Suit.
Markers definitely are easier! And I don’t doubt you could get good results with them. Maybe I’ll revisit them and see what kind of results I can get after having used panel liner for so long 🤔
Thanks for the video, very timely for me. Just retired and getting into gunpla. Your delivery is very pleasant and relaxing, subscribed!
Thanks, and welcome to the hobby!
Never thought of using a quill pen! That seems to open up possibilities in using custom colors for panel lining too. Is there a specific pen you recommend?
Yup, I have the exact pen I use linked in the description! It’s very affordable but still has good reputation in the calligraphy community
I can sadly confirm that testor’s enamel thinner cracks bandai plastic :( going to be buying mr hobby products only now.
I'm kind of wishing I had watched this before I bought some Gundam markers, but it should be ok, these are just some HG kits, well, I also have an RG Zaku II and an SD Zaku II. I have an HG RX-78 and Heavyarms built already, and a Gframe Zaku II and Gframe Aegis Gundam.
Great video. Tamiya makes a dark grey panel line accent that you might like better. Where’d you get that big ass bag of q-tips?
Thanks! I got them from Amazon (link in desc) but of course you could find q-tips anywhere. I just ordered from Amazon because they have pointed tips, which can be better for certain areas
I'm cursed I think. I've used all kinds of black inks and dyes and thin paint formulas, from Vallejo black wash to thinned Citadel Abaddon black to Valhalla 'Black Dynamite' tattoo ink but I can't get any capillary action out of my quill liner. I haven't tried India ink or Tamiya lining fluid yet, but surface tension is surface tension, so as long as it's not a thick fluid I should be seeing these results, and I'm not. My quill touches A crack and bupkis happens. It goes absolutely nowhere. I have to manually line every millimeter of crack by hand like I'm scribing details.
Hello sir. Can you explain to me why you are not a marker guy ? I'm new to the hobby and I would like to know some thing. Thank you.
Markers are a good place to start, but with panel liner, I like the satisfaction of the paint flowing through the panel lines, which you can't get with markers.
I noticed you were using Tamiya paint; yet you chose Mr. Color Thinner -- any reason why you chose not to use Tamiya thinner? And on a model ship deck to resemble wood; what base color and wash would you recommend to resemble teak wood? (I'm building the Battleship Bismarck from Agroa Models which is why I'm asking . . if it helps, the deck is a weird pink/flesh, or very washed out brown; but definitely does not look like wood.) - Thanks
Mr. Color is what I use for lacquer paints, so it's pretty much the main thinner I buy. I haven't tried Tamiya's thinner before, but I'd imagine it should work just as well
Kind of late to this, but I'm just getting into using top coat and Tamiya panel line accent colour and had a question. Would the procedure be to top coat on assembled kit (broken up into head, chest, arms, etc.) -> panel line on disassembled kit (piece by piece as if just taken off runner) -> decals -> top coat again? I've only got Mr. Super Clear Matte on me at the moment, considering getting the gloss finish for first top coat.
LOL Lacquer thinner. We use it to strip cars' paint and definitely not used for 'cleaning' excess paint...for plastics, even paint thinners, when used too much, is damaging. Just use lighter fluid mate or say goodbye to an MGEX!
Great tutorial!💪 I have one clarification though, I was working on my RG Exia and a certain part in the arm became brittle and broke (good thing I was able to salvage it with glue) after I applied Tamiya Panel Lining Dark Gray. I am confused, was it the Panel Line Enamel that caused it or was it the Thinner which was a Tamiya X20 Enamel Thinner?
A mix of both actually; Tamiya panel liner is essentially a thinned down enamel paint. So be careful where you're applying the panel liner, and try not to let it seep into gaps between armor or crevices between parts. If the thinner isn't given enough room to evaporate, it is possible to damage the plastic
Seriously, lacquer thinner?!? Use Enamel thinner or lighter fluid please....
For bare parts may be ok, but if you had painted the parts, top coated the parts, using lacquer thinner is a disaster, it melts the paint right away....
just finished my seven swords (2nd model), used artline marker with .2 tip because i am too cheap to drive to city & buy some panel line markers
Just starting out and your videos are the best ones ive come across. Thank you so much!
Are panel liners used for darker models. For example a gloss black car, what would you use for the door and hood lines, which color or would you not use at all???
I have only ever used black souly for that animation look, I love it, and sometimes I miss some spots to clean, and I just finger rub it to give it a almost dry brushed aged look, it's not pro, but I like it, it's got my jank
Oh! It’s PANEL lining… I’ve been hearing PANTY lining…
GREAT VIDEO
about to start panel lining my first model with my boyfriend tomorrow, so im currently trying to learn every tip before we ruin our gundams. thanks for the video !
Thank you, glad I could help!
Wow! Amazing very good!
I am definitely getting some of that Tamiya panel liner ASAP. Gundam markers have served me over the years, but that looks so much better.
Can I use rubbing alcohol instead of thinner?
For anyone looking for an alternative to thinners for removing excess panel line ink, lighter fluid works equally well. With one caveat, it doesn't make the plastic brittle and break. I use the lighter fluid used to light charcoal briquettes and it's been great. Other builders have known to use Zippo lighter fluid exclusively for panel line removal. As for the black liner on white pieces debate; the reason some builders avoid it is because it can leave a shadow/smudge that won't go away no matter how much you try to remove it. The gray one doesn't have this problem. I only use brown for yellows and oranges.
Great input, love it!
Turpentine is also a good cleaner. Just be sure to have a fan on, that stuff is pungent.
Am i crazy to just use a qtip to buff away excess enamel liner? It works well and i have better control i find. Since it works slowly.
@@OvAeons hey if it works it works
I learned the hard way about testors thinner. Fucking ruined the plastic on the Wing Zero Honoo for me, but I ended up turning it into a heavily battle damaged abandoned sort of machine. Still I hate that I had to get creative cause of it
If the plastic cracks from the Testers that is either 1) user error and the only way i see this happening is if you just left it sit there for days on end with out being cleaned or the more likely cause 2) garbage plastic.
Do you recommend the Panel Liner ink as better than using a Panel Liner Marker/Pen?
Top coat (gloss) first then panel lining and then top coat again? Or panel line and then top coat ? Beginner here 😅
Hi new gunpla builder here. Do I still need to topcoat the gunpla before panep lining?
ASK : exemple robot paint in red acrilic and black pannel in gap, can I pass MR color 110 without damage the red paint?? thx
You'll want to put a coat of clear coat first as a protective layer to keep the red paint protected
Just opened a mastergreade F91.
It's my first Gunpla kit. I have experience in model building and I am finding out that gunpla is a whole other world in terms of building.
Thankyou for this video as I am very hesitant about panel lining and making sure I do a top notch job.
Can I use isopropyl alcohol to clean up smears or accidental out-of-line panel lining?
Just a quick question from an amateur, Do i need to top coat my gunpla before paneil lining or is it better to do it after ?
Does rubbing alcohol work as thinner?
Not really a tutorial. More like techniques and opinions but not tutorial title worthy
I have to say as a builder for almost 10 years now, I find grey, light grey, and brown panel liner to be the best universal colors. I use to use a lot of black when I first started out for those more exaggerated strong panel lines. Over the years I have become more of a professional builder and find grey/light grey to give me the subtle panel line details you should expect to see from more professional model builders even beyond gunpla. I would suggest anyone to take the time to watch professional model makers in other things like ships, planes, and tanks who have been building for decades. They have such a wealth of knowledge beyond what most gunpla modelers have.
Great tip! Gunpla is definitely young compared to older practices like military vehicles and even Warhammer/DnD miniatures. A lot of cool paint effects I’ve seen were actually done on minis!
I already bought a black panel liner, is there anyway I can thin it out to dark grey? Don't wanna waste my money...🥲
@@poh5796 Hmmm you can technically thin it out to make it "lighter", but it won't change the pigment color, it would just change the density of it. Plus, that means more thinner is being used, which increases the chance of cracking. If you have any spare parts that aren't used in your build, I would try it out on one of those first.
@@aMillaGunpla oh yeah! A lot of my tips come from old guys with grey hair lol
@@poh5796 I mean if you have it already I wouldn’t be discouraged. Black isn’t a bad color by any means. Iv just seen people go overboard with it and a model turn out to have that more artsy drawn look to it. It works sometimes but such a strong color is unnecessary on a lot of models unless your dealing with a model that is already majority a dark color
Don't know about using your 15$ bottle of airbrushing thinner to clean up enamel paint. I'd go with lighter fluid or Tamiya X-20 on an unpainted kit. If you're painting your kit, and you put down a clear coat before you applied the panel liner, you're good against cracking, since Tamiya Panel liner itself can crack the plastic
I may have missed something, but would rubbing alcohol work for removing excess panel lining paint from unwanted areas?
It should, but it take longer to remove because it’s not as strong as thinner. 91% isopropyl alcohol also has the potential the crack parts as well, but not as quickly as enamel thinner
can i use rubbing alcohol instead to clean out the paint mess? instead of lacquir thinner
do you topcoat after panel lining for durable?
Use black shoe polish and lighter fluid.
I just use a erasers for clean up work fine but it leave white dust In the paneling that need clean up
I'm begining to paint my first KIT. Now I know what i need to do! Thanks! Great VID
I build PCs but recently started collecting to start Gunpla. Quick search, I found your channel. Really like the vibes and production you got going on. Keep it up. I’ll prolly hit you up with questions.
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Is it ok to use tamiya enamel thinner x-20 for panel lining?
There are Gundam markers you can get now that act like the ink with brush, where pushing them down on the surface releases ink onto it. It's slightly messier but it's still pretty great.
Dude your videos are like perfect aesthetic. Love em
is gundam marker remover the same solution used in the thinner?
Question:
Do I panel lining BEFORE or AFTER I topcoat it?
I hope anyone can help me 🙏🏻
Hi this is me throwing away my gundam markers and buying a new tamiya and that big thinner
A alternative is using a regular pink eraser works just as good as thinner does without the risk of damaging the plastic
What color would you use to panel line on black parts
Most informative video
Newcomer here! Watching your videos is helpful to my beginner painting skill.
I got MG Unicorn Gundam as my first kit a week ago. One thing I could say is that it is unbalanced and the waist-leg joint is so stiff making the leg come out every damn time I change its posture even though I did a decent job in building it.
My problem with it is the skirt and ankle armor seem to be held on with hopes and dreams instead of any actual friction, also I gave up on having him hold the gun for a similar issue, this one will not be moved very much
How long it takes to perfectly dried?
Nice tutorial, don't paint but still interesting
Do you think it would be easier and better if you panel line the entire runner first and then assemble it?
Depends on how you like to panel line. Generally, I panel line last because the less panel lining I "need" to do, the better, and seeing the kit fully complete helps me visualize what I want panel lined
How bout topcoat before panelling?
Wow. Just found this whole hobby and it’s mind boggling. I think I may do one at one point in time but I definitely want to panel line. Although on say a top line PG do you still panel line? Doesn’t it come with enough detail?
acrylic panel liners work better than enamel/lacquer based ones, you can just use alcohol to wipe off rather than more expensive and harsh solvent
Can i use Isopropanol for removing ?
will it crack? using tamiya panel line?
doesnt work as clean with matte paint for a fact
Is it safe to use tamiya panel line without topcoat first? because other say it would crack the plastic without first coat. sorry im beginner. 😊
Top coat will always help protect the plastic from cracking. You can reduce the chance of cracking by only using small amounts of panel liner at a time as well. The same goes for using thinner to clean up. Make sure the plastic has plenty of room to "breathe" so the panel liner/thinner can evaporate quickly.
Does too much alcohol damage the plastic
Thank you for this. Thats a sub from me. Loving your channel. going through craploads of your videos right meowwwwww
I swear I got the worst luck the Gundam markers I bought the panel mark was dry as fuck
Dang, that's unfortunate. You might be able to "revive" them by soaking the tip in alcohol?
I want to see a new video by you!! Come back vato
Depends on how much other areas utilize black throughout -
I'm biased, I love grey outlining
On color or white paint -
Why isn't there gold or silver?
Today I just finished panel lining my HG Aerial ✨
thx for the video, It's difficult to get the products in here, so I test several water gel and pigment ink water proof in scraps (runners) and try to remove with my finger and keeps the gundam line without becoming a mess. I found out a nice option: "Edding 1880" drawliner 0.05 mm and alcohol for electronics works fine to clean with a cotton swab
Wasn’t it necessary to topcoat a kit before using tamiya panel liner on unpainted kits? Anyone know if its safe to apply it directly on the plastic?
so epic! I use markers cause im lazy lol
1sub here. precise content.
I just use a pin point sharpie and alcohol wipes to get rid of any excess. Still panel lining is really hard for me because I don’t have a steady hand.
Can i use a alcohol for cleaningg?
Lacquer thinner is a HOTTER chemical than Enamel thinner as Lacquer is the stronger paint. If you have problems with Enamel thinner on your plastic then Lacquer thinner will do worse. You should only use those thinners on paint that has a good primer coat to protect the plastic. Newer plastics being mostly thinner and recycled can suffer more to Krazing (or Crazing). There's plenty of videos regarding this and is a must watch for newer and apparently older painters as well.
I find that a calligraphy brush pen (mine's from Pentel) is a relatively cheap way to get very dark, and fairly thin ink into the panel lines. It's easily removable via a wooden toothpick and the darkness of the ink can somewhat be controlled by squeezing the plastic ink well a bit more for darker lines.
What about panel lining already painted parts? something like this ua-cam.com/video/uLj4Zi44ZKE/v-deo.html
How did he clean the excess black with ruing the yellow?
After painting, do a coat of clear gloss. The gloss allows the panel liner to flow easily through the lines, while acting as a protective barrier for the paint underneath
@@aMillaGunpla Oh, okay
Does the linner stick and does the thinner melt acrylic paints?
tamiya panel lining can be used on paint parts? Cleaning with thinner would affect the white pain?
You can, but you'll want to put a coat of clear gloss on before panel lining, then after panel lining, you can coat with clear gloss or clear satin, depending on the finish you want
If I detail paint a kit, apply clear acrylic gloss coat, then panel line, is lacquer thinner still safe to use to remove the smudges of the panel line? Will it affect the acrylic gloss coat at all?
It will affect the gloss coat a bit, but that is exactly what I use a gloss coat for! It protects the paint underneath, and typically I will do another topcoat over the panel line to get the desired gloss/matte finish
@@aMillaGunpla how many coats do you do? Both from after painting the kit and after panel lining? Thanks again for answering my question my dude.
Usually one thin coat to help the clear coat stick better, then another thicker coat making sure to cover all areas
Thanks for this, I've been struggling with Panel lining and ready to give up. It just looks like i made my model kit dirty, and in a bad way :-(
Question pls. I am hesitating to panel line my metal build gundam. Is that possible with basic skills, or can i only panel line gundam kit ? Thx
I didn't know there was a grey haha, I'm still a beginner for panel lining, I bought a black colour panel liner with the brush on it. If I I want it like silver colour, I usually put a one drop of ink on it and then I would like use a tissue or something and rub the excess with it to make it a bit smear which gives it a bit grey lookie🤣🤣