Does Tabletop Simulator RUIN Warhammer 40k?
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In this episode of Model and Memories #136 Jay talks about using Table Top Simulator to play Warhammer 40k, the Age of Sigmar Christmas Boxes from Games Workshop and what he worked on this week! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday!
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Game worksho[ just have to make a game like it in better/ its also good to play with far away friend
The only thing that ruined 40K is GW themselves 15 years ago, every edition after 6th was worse and worse
I live in the middle of nowhere and there isn’t a game store near me for at least 70 miles. So TTS has been a godsend for keeping the hobby alive for me. I play Marvel: Crisis Protocol on TTS at least once a week. Without it, I definitely would have dropped out of the hobby altogether.
Let's just hope Henry Cavill's Warhammer film goes successful maybe more Hobby stores will pop up
eBay is always good if there's no nearby stores. Half my collection is from eBay. But having enough players locally is probably a problem too tho. Long live TTS!
70!, those are amateur numbers try 250or so
Incroyable.
I'm a truck driver out 2 months out at a time so very much same for me
It's definitely not as much fun as playing IRL, but almost all of my friends have now spread out to jobs all over the US. Getting on TTS to play d&d and Warhammer together is one of the few ways that we all still get to hang out outside of holidays. It's definitely not perfect, few things rather are, but it's definitely a godsend.
"Drugs: you're just immediately having a ton of fun"
-Jay from Eons of Battle
haha
Drugs to Jay = Seagrams wine coolers
I think it's a good addition to the hobby. I don't have a gamestore near where I live and me and the friends I tend to play with all live about 100 kilometers apart, so we manage to meet up and play for real maybe once a month. Especially during the pandemic, TTS gave as the opportunity to play on a regular basis. It's also good for trying out stuff before actually buying it, with pricing being so high. I don't think it's a substitute though, sometimes, moving the models can be a real pain as they get stuck on some pixels, sometimes the model sizes are off and all in all it's just way more fun to play in real life with your own beautiful models while throwing actual dice.
Anyway, I don't see how something that you can basically completely ignore can ruin the hobby. I don't think people buy less actual models or play less real life games because of this. Those who have the money, time and the willingness to get into the hobby will do so and will then want to play in real life while those who simply can't afford the hobby won't be more likely to get themselve a real army if TTS didn't exist.
Also, I feel you on the Imperial Guard artillery stuff. My buddy plays Guard and although they are not exactly highly ranked metawise, it's a an absolute pain to play against :P
To your point of floating vehicles: there's a little bit of lore about the new grav vehicles like the impulsor where a chaos marine (I think?) lays down flat to avoid getting run over by the tank, but the anti-grav plates underneath crush him to death just by the force of it floating there. So. Maybe don't chuck Qui-gon and Jar Jar down there (maybe Jar Jar).
Bet the chaos gods werent to happy with him for that one.
Jay, getting better at 40k seems like a perfect opportunity for content collaboration. You should definitely get a coach like Stephen Box from Vanguard Tactics, he'll whip you into shape. We can't keep letting Sean get away with this.
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
This is a good idea !
Sounds like Sean only takes armour-skewed lists, so I'd recommend also trying to stack anti-tank and heavy armour.
Or, switch sides and use Sean's army. :)
TTS is a great tool. It allows you to test out list and changes without spending a lot of money and weeks for building and painting them. Especially now with the new codex where you explore a lot.
Also, I'm playing BT and had quite a bit of success with it. So yeah reach out if you want to talk more black templar.
TTS is great when you have a small community in your city, also during the pandemic when everybody was at home we where able to knock in a ton of games.
Not to mention being able to test units / armies before comming to buying / painting them is good aswell.
I love how Jay never lets his lack of success dampen his enthusiasm. He is an inspiration.
Yeah seriously, I don't care if I win or lose like 95% of the time but I also win ehh 65-70% of the time even if that was lower I wouldnt mind much but if I NEVER won I might have quit by now
My win-loss record is rather more like Jay's; though I did get to play against a variety of opponents. Maybe Jay should ask Shaun to swap armies for a few games, so Shaun can lean just how much fun it is to fight against an indirect fire parking lot. 😄@@Benpianoman
I tend to play against a Tau player who doesn’t think there is any issue with our usual terrain setups. So he tables me about every game in turn 2-3, hoping before long he realizes it’s a terrain issue. I still enjoy getting models out and rolling dice, but it does get a bit annoying when he never has to move broadsides. So imagine multiple units shooting on 4 shots(2shots each) 2+bs, 3+wound(str12) 6d+1 damage -4 ap no cover dev wounds, because you have no where to hide, becomes quite rough after awhile. Lol to this day, I don’t think he’s moved his board sides but 1 time maybe and has shot them each time at full effect 🤣. Not a terrain issue though. Not at all. Losing Morty in my deployment zone on round 1 hasn’t seemed like a red flag either.
Jay, I totally relate to your playing with unpainted minis story. That’s why I have a rule that I’m not allow to play with a model until I paint it. It really keeps me motivated and even if the unit sucks at least the model looks cool.
You're such a positive dude. I should scan my own models in TTS maybe it would motivate me to actually paint more
I bought the skaven verminous host box a few months ago and it's just been a chore painting up 40 clan rats, 40 plague monks, 3 stormfiends, a bombardier and a plague furnace so me and my partner play on TTS occasionally, it's cool because some of the workshop creators have made animated versions of our armies to use in the game. So far it's been really fun but it does feel a little bit "cheaper" than playing in person.
Im 16 and i have around 2000pts of black templars and your black templars are an amazing help and inspired me to collect them and always seem loose in game aswell 😂😂
I will be so happy when you start a video by saying, “I finally beat Shawn.”
I sometimes test armies on my own, especially to help me make hobbying decisions, and actually use physical dice to the side of me (unless I’m rolling a ton of dice). The clickity clack pleases my monkey brain greatly, would recommend if you’re ever using TTS for that
I live in a neighborhood where everyone plays MTG and only MTG so Tabletop Sim is great for helping me get some 40k in.
It's also great for testing out army lists to see what works and what doesn't.
I play MTG as well, but I also use TTS for MTG with friends lol
Whats mtg sorry i am a bit new
@@Corrubris Magic The Gathering, the biggest trading card game.
@@Corrubris Magic The Gathering, I suppose.
Wow... a commercial DURING the commercial...it must be "the future"! 😂
Second attempt asking you to explore Turnip28, I think its really up your alley.
I really like the mixed undead rabble in SBGL. It adds to the power fantasy because the vampires aren't just fast strong undead glitter elves they are also "oops all necromancers" and it is very aristocracy of them to send their undead peasant masses to die in the front lined while they play general from the rear.
the impulsor is you look at it from any other angle than the promotional angle it's a hover pick up truck. as per the tabletop and attempting to get a victory, follow the rule of having heavy units on objectives as well as having a guideline for what each unit will do. Also how are we supposed to help you with your army comp without a good battle report
I’ve only played a single game of TTS, but it’s awesome. I was able to introduce my friends who live in opposite parts of the country, and it was seamless. Much easier to explain how to play when most of the work is done for them.
Playing with your own digital models must have been mind blowing, super cool!
makes me wonder how many other models are ripped from youtubers like that, with GW not doing as much 360 stuff on their store
Brave Little Toaster in the background made me smile.
hey eons, ive been thinking of doing a melee focused army and you made me want to do black templar as i admire ur army
Black Templars awesome
Start with the combat patrol, probably wanna get a crusader squad and sword brethren from there and a tank would be great as templars get Cooler tanks
As someone who lives in South America. My closest GW shop is in another continent. I could order from amazon but converting the currency from $ or £ or € to my local currency makes buying a combat patrol more than half of a montly minimum wage. On top of that sadly the hobby isnt as known around here so tts is my only way to play the game and get to interact with people to enjoy the amazing universe
TTS is a very good tool for getting new players into the game. The best part of tabletop simulatior is there are so many games you can play with it
I've played my first wargames ever on TTS (1 game of 40k and a tutorial game of Kill Team) with people I wouldn't be able to play against normally (due to them being in the US and me being in Europe) and if anything it's sold me on Kill Team for sure, definitely picking up the starter set once I'm done painting my current projects. It's also motivated me to actually get my models painted and play actual games at some point, because I had a boatload of fun digitally so being able to do that with my own models is going to be a blast.
over 20 losses in a row? This imperial guard guy you're playing against sounds like a piece of work
Back in 2020-2021 I was working in Bulgaria for some years (I'm from Spain) and I wanted to return to Warhammer 40.000 tabletop game, but obviously, my friends were 3500km away, so it was impossible for me to play with them... until I saw TTS mods to play 40k online and that saved my year.
Just to add, I returned Spain last year and started my Thousand Sons army, I'm enjoying a lot 10th edition!
ive seen a colorized stl I made in tabletop sim and that shit got me grinnin
Tabletop sim kept my MTG group playing through Covid and it was a ton of fun. We played commander, so the decks were 100 cards thick. So to just click “shuffle” or even card search, was a blessing. Plus it’s fun to mess with the physics of the board
I always play against guard and using a vanguard onslaught with a lot of lone operatives makes it so that he won’t be able to target the things he needs to while you’re scoring max secondaries and primaries, so you should try that.
I mostly use TTS to play board games, but I've played some Epic Armageddon on TTS. If what you're mostly interested in is the game itself, then TTS is great... but, as suggested in the video, the game itself may not be the main attraction for many people into GW.
I do prefer TTS to apps though; there's something about playing a game within a non-automated virtual environment with friends that feels a lot more like playing the game in meatspace than playing an app version of the game, and with GW games that means that you still have to know the rules, you still have to pick up and move models, and you still have to roll dice, and I think that's probably important to enjoying the game.
Also, TTS was a lifesaver during the pandemic... it was my main way of staying in contact with friends given that we couldn't have board game nights or go out to board game cafes anymore.
There is an ethical question about how TTS allows you to play unlicensed copies of games without any credit to the people who designed those games, which I know some games designers are not happy about... but I've spent enough money on tabletop games that I don't feel bad about it personally.
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is one of my favourite movies of all time. The way he twirls his axe as a battle tactic is great
TTS saved xwing from the pandemic lockdown. The mos was just awesome. And I managed to learn programing in TTS and 3d modeling xD
When jay got to what he would like as a vampire army he basically described this box without the skeletons
I like the concept of being able to have a much wider pool of players so I could play during normal work hours (I work for myself and this time of year slows way down). My only catch is that I started playing 40k specifically so I could do something that wasn't behind a screen and had real-life community engagement, so I've mostly been staying away from TTS 40k. For people that don't have a big warhammer scene (or no warhammer scene) it could be a godsend though.
I just started the hobby , I gravitated towards the black Templar faction, so I purchased the combat patrol, sword brethren (2 boxes by accident) and a knight in hope of later on building it and painting it black Templar theme. I don’t even know how many points that is , so my question for anyone that can help is what else should I buy to somewhat have a playable army? Thank you, any advice is greatly appreciated.
I have thought about using TTS to test out a Tau list I want to build and I'd to see a few paint schemes I have jn mind for them if that's possible on there.
I used tts alot throughout covid. When you get used to it, it's is really good... especially when you can carry on a game a couple of days later.
My and a friend used to have a rule were we could only use models we own or plan on buying next... but every so often we would break this rule and just play a new faction.
the melta on the BT impulsar is pretty badass
Yeah, it's a little odd for sure, but with my friends all living away from the city, it's the only way we can play consistently. We only ever seriously used the armies we've bought ourselves anyways, though occasionally, we'll test anything new that comes out and see if it's worth buying.
The chaplain thing is just awesome
I like TTS but im glad its not an official GW thing. One of the main draws of the hobby for me is its a physical thing that gets me away from a computer screen.
Also, a face-to-face hobby for people (mainly dudes, let's be honest) to just make free friends that all have the same interest is a nice thing to have. Or if you only play with friends, a good game of 40k is a great reason to hang out on the weekend.
Those are the parts of wargaming that are priceless and that TTS doesn't come close to representing. On the other hand, if you wanted to just "get good" at 40k then TTS is the way. You can get an insane amount of reps in and just play over and over and over anytime of the day
TTS doesn't ruin Warhammer, it exposes it.
I own Custodes and Votann, and play them when I can. On TTS though I play them and Guard, Space Marines, Daemons, Mechanicus, CSM, Orks, Grey Knights, Imperial Knights, and Tyranids. I also spend a lot of time teaching new players how to get to grips with the game. 99% of the games I’ve played have been on TTS. It’s great
yeah very much agree, TTS is not for me
i don't really do war gaming though but the reason i play board games is because i like the experience of putting all the effort in to learning, painting, setting up... organizing a game
so then when you play it and manage a win it just feels that little bit more enjoyable
I wonder how many folks tune in just to see/hear how Jay says "how" in every new episode. X'D
I love using tabletop SIM for Warhammer when either me and my brother friends are too tired to play and set up. we just pop that open or I especially use it to get my friends into it when they have no models or they're an online friend
I love playing Warhammer 40k on tts bc I just don't have the time or the space to build and paint an army rn. But I still really want to play 40k.
I collect and paint minis for roughly 2 years now.
At current speed it will take me 10 years to make a 2k army.
So i am glad i still can play 40k with tts.
I still have spend 100s of Euros on minis already...
IMO nah, in fact yesterday I played a game on TTS! It allows us to test our lists before we splurge money on them
I’ve been playing video games all my life and only recently got into 40k on the table top and I will say there’s something I feel like i’ve been missing playing digitally, theres a certain permanence to your army, unlike games where once you turn off your computer its gone and forget, while the tabletop feels more real and intriguing, sometimes I just like to go outside with my army and pose them in the grass, it’s quite fun, could just be that i’m a zoomer though and I live in an era where everything digital can be taken away from you with the six letter word banned while you can’t have physical items taken away at the click of a button
@EonsOfBattle you can collect the Kastelli subfaction all blood knights and vampires
*doo da doo da doooooo" this is your random reminder you promised battle reports 😂😂😂
I feel like I could write an essay on this, I think that the work and the interpersonal negotiation is essential to the life of the game.
The computer attempts to extract out the end product of the actual game from the entire structure surrounding the game.
I firmly believe that the structure surrounding tabletop gaming, from the painting to the pacing to the direct personal participation is all essential to the game.
The Corvus Blackstar with some enhancements could work as a replacement for the primaris flyer speeder thingy. It looks knightly enough and you should be able to add some bits to make it look like a speeder. I don't have the models though... so I don't know if the size would work...
I view TTS as sort of like I do with Online Virtual Tabletops for games like D&D and Pathfinder. It won't feel the same. But it sure can help with logistics. I've played people I would NEVER get to play with if not for TTS or a VTT. People who live in Finland, the US, Australia, I think Japan at one point too. People that would never be part of my local TTRPG or Wargaming scene. And I think that is its greatest strength in this day and age. As someone who has more friends Online than Offline, that means that if I want I can play with any of my friends. I have one friend in Denmark who is really into One Page Rules and I've been a bit hesitant about it but I might ask him for a game in TTS to test it out at some point because I'm slowly coming around to it.
One of the things of digital simulations of physical tabletop games (be it TCGs like Magic & Yugioh, or Wargames like Warhammer) I started to note quickly is the physicality.
That's (to me) super important.
In person, I get to shuffle cards, push toy soldiers and throw dice. all of that are actual actions, they have a FEEL to them and usually make some noise.
And with computers, well, they can cut all of that out with their quick thinking rock math. And doing so takes a lot from the gaming experience, leaving it surprisingly bland. That'S why I love that Tabletop simulator basically is a physics based game for that. If you want to do it that way at least. Another potential thing games could do is adding special animations and stuff to it. feels so much cooler than just the most basic VFX to show that interactions did take place and swiftly ove things over the board.
On the other hand, physical games a re kidna restricting. there are only so many conditions, Hit Points and weird whacky counters you can keep track of and calculations you have to do can only be so complex. that's where games can shine, allowing for all sorts of small minutia, complicated equations and stuff. Video Games are also great at handling things in real time.
TLDR: Physical games get blander when removing the physical stuff, and games should focus on other things instead.
I have a friend in South Africa and i live in the UK, TTS is a godsend.
Jay, I'd like to see a video of you getting some gaming advice and tips to try to up your Warhammer gaming skills. I'm picturing a montage like from Rocky backed up by eye of the tiger.
I'm a casual dice thrower so I'd like to see what tips the community or other content creators may have for you. 20+ games is a lot! I think you need to take the plunge and level up! (Or at least make a fun video!)
I don't find the same amount of joy in TTS, because the main thing for me when I get to play is i play with MY arma, models that I have created and painted in my way. So it kind of looses this flare for me in TTS, I love it for testing lists and strategies tho, it is very useful when the PC helps you with determining your rolls and stuff.
I've not used it, but I know that some of the kroot stuff is my models. As well, one of the local guys plays a couple games of 40k every week on TTS with friends from where he used to live.
Hang in there Jay! Your time is coming! I have two people I play with that I have never beaten... I totally understand your pain! You'll get there!
I play Kill Team on TTS all the time, it's a great place to check out mowy teams or just to practice before a tournament, but plastic is the best
It was great during lock downs, and before that when I was younger and broker.
Not the same experience as playing in person on a table though.
I’d like to see a mashup of the invader atv with the grav plates of the speeder on a flying stand.
I definitely need to make more use of TTS, although it's no substitute for IRL play. But I like to switch armies or try things out, and for that TTS is a godsend as I don't have the budget to spend hundreds on something I *might* like. Also, for example, I really want to play Age of Sigmar more but the only store near me that has it going on is more competitive than I want, so TTS would help me for that.
Beautiful how much u loved to see you own model without directly trying to get money out of it.
i am not a brave enough content creator for that thumbnail
Gotta love that Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter movie.
I hear ya about the Vampire Army of only character class minis, seems more appropriate for my concept of vamps but I'm pretty new to Warhammers history of things. But in my deck building days from magic the gathering I never would have put skeletons in my vampire deck. The vampires might have had a few werewolves as pets but they would have been mostly just vampires throughout that build, where as my skeletons often would end up in my zombie Deck or my rat deck. I do find the need to have extra units of chuds in Warhammer to be slightly annoying as it's the only way to secure the chess field and get the points for the win. However concepts like kid hammer and poor Hammer are teaching me that it's more about having fun and less about being a slave to Games workshop's rulesets.
All my friends are busy and we don't have all the time to get together. We used to be able to get together every week, but now we need online tool. (Doesn't help that one of our members moved to another town and our city planers love to pretend gas still cost less than a $1 per litre.🙄)
So with online tools like TTS, we'd bearly get any games in.
Nah, it's how GW treats 40k that ruins much of the experience. I know a number of people who use TTS because they can't get past the ridiculous price of entry.
GW has been printing good rules, balancing armies well, have stepped up the quality of their already good models, and created a fantastic game in kill team to get you into 40k but that also is amazing on its own right. Never felt better supporting GW
i love wights, used to have an old world wight army but it got crushed
can you do a video painting , warmaster figures? Forest Dragon, Cromarty Forge, GreenSkins, has a lot of awesome models to print.
Okay Jay. I looked at all the comment, only asked two other times but both with no reply. So ill ask it again in hopes to get one for us, we know you're busy and we love the creative juice crack you bring out in us all and we thank you. We just gotta know what size dose that base for the Ghost Ark measure out to? Looks so much better the the one it comes with. Thanks in advance Jay, o7
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You can really pinpoint when Jay recorded this considering the 40k battleforces were revealed like half an hour after the AoS ones
me and my group like tabletop simulator more than real tabletop
For the 150th episode the camera should pan out to reveal it was always filmed in front of a live studio audience all along and it wasn't just a side gag...
It should definitely just pan to a dog or a fully asleep cat
I am once again here to remind you to paint your grey knights
I'm glad it exists for those use it to access the game, but it ruins the immersion for me
Also a tonne of chill gamers in my friend group became sweaty in my scene through playing other sweatys through COVID
The best thing about table top sim is it allows people to play across the globe I love it for this
for me its amazing to play even though i dont have time to drive to my mates and set up a table and so on so i can also play during the week
Your models ! That's awesome !
I'd love to play a game of Warhammer TTS with you!
I have small children and almost no hobby time, bit me and a buddy (whos in the same deal) have started playing kill team at night once a week on TTS
I love how he sees someone putting his minifigure in Tabletop Sim and others would get mad because maybe theft of that property or sth i am no lawyer and he is just happy about it😂❤
I've used roll20 for tabletop wargames. It allows me to play a ton of different wargames which I wouldn't be able to otherwise. To play a lot of old wargames which are no longer in production. No one really wants to invest all the time and money into little figurines. Only to find out the rules were not as good as you first realize.
I do have some physical wargames, but these are ones which I adore and am happy having as a conversation piece more than a functioning wargame. But I still get to play it with people across the globe for the niche wargames with digital medium.
It’s funny how disk plate advertises being able to change the image, are people gluing there pictures to the wall??
Closed cockpit and turret prints help the speeder s lot imo.
I live in a NZ and the closest store with warhammer models is 1h drive away, tts wh40k is a god send and if your new to the game, get it and it will probally save u a bit of money
To be fair, even if you’re good with computers it’ll still take you a few days at least to get TTS set up if you want to get proper mods and assets set up.
I also think it’s good for people that have trouble getting to stores with playing tables, either because of distance or scheduling. Or both, in my case
GW: Someone is playing with my models and not paying?! Send the inquisitors!!
Chad J: Someone pirated MY chaplain and now I can play with my miniatures. AWESOME!
There 2 type of players A-You have players that only play in real live once week and odd GT. B- Then have well skilled players who with Tabletop sim get in 3 + games a week who have super skill with game now who. The difference between players now is night and day. It feel like GW only listen to Group B when working out balance data to use.
It's just 40K and an essential tool for tourney practice
Nope, during the pandemic I painted up an army and couldn't play it. But I managed to play on TTS and still do on occasion.
Tabletop simulator has no soul.
Warhammer is such an expensive hobby as it is. When you want to try new things, or try out a different army, TTS is a huge bonus for being able to try out that all bike squad that you've been thinking would be fun WITHOUT it costing you thousands of dollars
Table top simulator is great to figure out if a new unit (or an entire army) is good for you, it will never give you the full warhammer experience, but will be great to save money!