@mimikins7748 in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater: Question: If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles? My answer: Part1. Summary I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong: Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say: 'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet 'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’ Choice4: Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that. Part2. The full version: Part2.1 Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 : 'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic' It seems there's a little dilemma here. CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place. CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for. Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.) I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ... Part2.2 Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?' I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different. A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess. B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis. There should be an optimal point eg: 'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.' Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc. Part2.3 I think the people who say - (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place' are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say - (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.' See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights. This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women. Part2.4 People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.' Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists. Part2.5 I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess. Hence, everyone wins: Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected. Part2.6 But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023 'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women' Part2.7 - Remark: I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
He's smart. He just abuses the fact that he is allowed to do so to win something of credit as he's just been mediocre with teammates of his stature. The true bigot is Lia Thomas himself
He’s doing it deliberately because a) he competed rather mediocrely against other men & b) he’s a narcissist who’s very aware of the massive physical advantages he has over women, and knows that winning will be a piece of cake
Its a type of group insanity that has taken over a once reasonably sensible idea of being aware of one's own privileges. I used to defend woke thinking, not anymore
It's okay, sooner or later a trans'trend'er or trans'crack'tivist will do something to upset/hurt/trample all over her * she'll soon change her opinion. They'll do something to her, they can't stop themselves. They wanna attack all women......her included
@@rheimanotice2889 in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater: Question: If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles? My answer: Part1. Summary I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong: Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say: 'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet 'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’ Choice4: Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that. Part2. The full version: Part2.1 Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 : 'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic' It seems there's a little dilemma here. CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place. CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for. Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.) I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ... Part2.2 Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?' I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different. A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess. B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis. There should be an optimal point eg: 'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.' Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc. Part2.3 I think the people who say - (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place' are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say - (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.' See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights. This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women. Part2.4 People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.' Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists. Part2.5 I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess. Hence, everyone wins: Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected. Part2.6 But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023 'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women' Part2.7 - Remark: I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
@@meciocio She went from 554th to 5th in 500 Freestyle, and 65th to 1st in 500 Freestyle, when she turned from Man to Woman It's like winning a trophy for boxing by beating up 10yr olds
@@michaelxz1305nope That’s happening bcs higher people in higher positions want this to be trend at this time, we should this about education food homeless people but we talk about a guy who wants to be a woman that’s called back door man and that’s all.
@@Wolverine.848People in higher positions say they care about issues such as gender identity and such, just to get support from the community. *Not* My prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has claimed he supports all rainbow mafia rights. When people in said rainbow mafia are happy, woke liberals are also happy, and they get votes. Politicians pull this shit for popularity. So do celebrities.
in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater: Question: If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles? My answer: Part1. Summary I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong: Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say: 'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet 'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’ Choice4: Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that. Part2. The full version: Part2.1 Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 : 'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic' It seems there's a little dilemma here. CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place. CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for. Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.) I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ... Part2.2 Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?' I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different. A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess. B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis. There should be an optimal point eg: 'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.' Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc. Part2.3 I think the people who say - (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place' are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say - (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.' See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights. This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women. Part2.4 People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.' Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists. Part2.5 I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess. Hence, everyone wins: Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected. Part2.6 But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023 'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women' Part2.7 - Remark: I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
The same argument can be made for segregation in sports. The bone density of a woman of Afro decent is approximately just as different from a Eurasian woman as the difference is between a white man and a white woman.
All I'm getting is " I am a woman and I am going to force myself into womens spaces until I get what I want. Your feelings don't matter, just mine", which is why he will not be accepted by healthy women.
This is such a little addressed point. The demand to encroach and occupy women's spaces is the height of toxic masculinity. They rely on women's tendency to be amenable even in the face of their own discomfort!
"Not allowing trans people to compete in sports" this is how disingenuous their argument is. Being made to compete in the category of your biological sex is not, not allowing them to compete, just like not allowing me a grown man to compete in 12 year old football games isn't preventing me from playing football.
I dont think, its disingeniuos, because with Piers argumentation there are 2 possibilities: 1. Biological women who become men will beat women they compete with, because of their testosterone treatment and everything stays unequal and unfair. 2. You have to exclude those biological women because of their testosterone treatment, thus exluding all transgender men. The only other way out is to allow them all to compete with men, no matter whether they are men who became women or women who became men but that is not, what Piers suggested.
A biological male competing in women's sports is a cheat, plain and simple. Mr. Thomas towers over his female "teammates." He may not want to admit it but as a male competing with other men, he was a perpetual also ran, over 200 away from the contenders. Against females he was a "champion." Not a real champion like Riley Gaines but a male willing to go beyond the rules and any sense of fair play to satisfy his ego with a meaningless trophy.
@@xxMilakasiaxx in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater: Question: If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles? My answer: Part1. Summary I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong: Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say: 'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet 'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’ Choice4: Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that. Part2. The full version: Part2.1 Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 : 'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic' It seems there's a little dilemma here. CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place. CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for. Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.) I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ... Part2.2 Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?' I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different. A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess. B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis. There should be an optimal point eg: 'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.' Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc. Part2.3 I think the people who say - (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place' are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say - (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.' See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights. This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women. Part2.4 People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.' Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists. Part2.5 I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess. Hence, everyone wins: Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected. Part2.6 But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023 'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women' Part2.7 - Remark: I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
It's disingenuous for you to use words like biological sex when scientific research is confirming that transgender men are men and transgender women are women. I say this as a conservative who is a conservative second but a believer in science first and foremost.
I'm perfectly OK with trans people not being able to compete wherever they want. No one has the right to compete in a sport anyway. It's a privilege. You have to qualify, whether by age/sex/weight/time/etc. You have to follow the rules. You cannot use certain substances while competing, including some prescription medications for valid medical conditions. The rules exist to keep competitions as fair as possible. You don't bend the rules for certain people if it makes it unfair for everyone else.
She went from 554th to 5th in 500 Freestyle, and 65th to 1st in 500 Freestyle, when she turned from Man to Woman It's like winning a trophy for boxing by beating up 10yr olds
Ava is an example of someone who has chosen a stance that she will not be moved from regardless of how ridiculous it makes her seem… it doesn’t make you kind Ava it makes you anti woman
Disgusting how the blond lady at 7:30 said other female teammates were just “jealous” of Lia Thomas??? This is madness it’s completely unfair and 99% of people agree
Lia Thomas a biological male who couldn't cut it in his own sex, decided to compete in the women's competition as a transgender women. Given he still maintains all the advantages of a male puberty it was a no brainer that he was going to win. What part of this fallacy does not scream WRONG on every level.
Hasn't cut off the tackle either. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to claiming to be a man once competing against women is completely taken away from him. It's all just a scam
Funny how hardcore activists supporting this shit will say there's no difference, even when you point out how some dude was in 200th, 300th, or 500th place in a sport, then boom, later on almost always goes to 1st place on the women's side.
She has such empathy for Lia, but cannot find any empathy for female athletes telling her they are scared, harassed, and that they are being downright bullied and coerced. She is championing the abusers of women that are outright publicly abusing women in sports right now over this topic.
@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628 please elaborate on how men entering women's spaces doesn't effect a woman's life? Or please articulate why we created men only and women's only spaces and why that should be done away with now?
I wish Piers would stop giving Ava a platform to virtue signal on. She comes across very selfish and narcissistic, and is quite sarcastic given the seriousness of the show. Yet puts a front on as if she has more empathy than most people.
Unfortunately they know people will turn up and watch videos because of her. After she shat on the idea of men's mental health on that show a few months ago she should never have been seen on any show ever again.
She and that male "comedian" talk absolute shit, but it is still important to have the opposing view because then it helps a healthy debate, even if the stuff they''re saying is the baffling stuff she says e.g "their jealous"
A 50-year-old man in Canada recently declared himself 13-year-old female and was allowed to play sports and be in the dressing room with 13-year-old girls. It's already happening
@@jenniferscott375 it's getting harder here to get news other than what is happening today. I'm not sure if you listen to Jordan Peterson, he's a Canadian and lives in Canada but is thinking about moving elsewhere. His daughter moved to Arizona. Hopefully Trudeau will be booted out.
I was shocked when I saw that 50 old man competing with teenage girls in swimming. Also being able to change in the locker room. Pandora's Box has been opened smh
her argument doesn't even make sense. she's saying kids need to take puberty blockers before puberty to make it fair, yet she is defending someone who did not take them before puberty, and says it's fair. okay. lol.
The wonders of being able to spit out openly such inconsistences, contradictions and logical fallacies...and never get called out about them... Is certainly nice to be woke... :DDDDD
Will, I mean Lia, does NOT belong on a WOMANS team. HE belongs on a MANS team. IF HE wants to swim in the Olympics, then lets be fair and put ALL transgender people in their OWN league.
according to current pronouns and all that crap, that has to be reworded....so ill give it a go....so hold on if i get anything wrong...i will...so His father must be so proud. “His” His/there/he/him/something/man thing/blokey/suppressor of woman “father” Baby construction donator/male *not decided yet* (according to rainbow community, everyone can choose) “Must be proud” Oh hes not pride proud yet, cant be proud without pride bull shit See the madness!!!
Guys who call themselves trans want to compete against real woman for the affirmation and the kinks. They won't do a trans team because it's like admitting you're a fake. Also, why find raise funds for what would be another men's team? One team for women, two for men.
PLEASEEE! Why are we even talking about this !!!! They want to force the world to accept them, when they do not even accept themselves and who they BIOLOGICALLY ARE!
Thanks Piers Morgan! Why is this woke crowd still arguing this nonsense. I CAN believe we're having some of these conversations but I don't understand why a biological man would compete against biological women. Why not create their own category in sports. I just don't get it.
That's the point, they don't want to compete in separate category because there will be same biological male and lees chance to win. Their target are women cos they easy can beat them.
@@sherriianiro747bec not many trans athletes Every competition has preliminary competotions before they can enter the CONPETITIONS Like those grand slams tennis, all the rookies, no ranks athletes had to do preleominary matches before they can enter the Wimbledon matches with all the athletes with high ranks in the WTA Make their own sex category, there might be 1 athlete or 3 in a sport, then they don't need to compete 😅😅they're gold silver and bronze already Wasting time ..
Two things are obvious to me: 1) people dealing with gender dysphoria need care, help and acceptance. Not judgment. 2) you can’t put a trans woman in a competition with cis women.
If you want to play pretend go on more power to you but do not expect the rest of the world to live in your fantasy world. Piers just told her they could have a trans league if they want to compete in sports and she says right after then you don't want them to compete. The ignorance of these people is beyond understanding.
Transgenderism remains an incoherent worldview. And until its subscribers can provide workable definitions for terms like "gender", "man" and "woman" to begin with, we've no reason to take it seriously.
The women's division was created for one reason only - to exclude males. This one should be easy. None of the rest of these details really matter if you just follow the actual reason for the category.
Please stop calling them trans"women". Call them what they are, transvestites. Male transvestites. We don't need a new word to describe them and they should not be validated by us using the word "woman" in any way.
@@Mancer1980 - sadly it's not a joke. It makes me feel physically sick where the safeguarding on young girls is dismissed in the favour of this man's whims! Shocking really.
Ava shocks me everytime on this. Baffled, Leah is NOT a woman. She identifies as one but that is not the same. Ava is no feminist and she's sat there mocking Piers and general common sense.
We have to remember this activist may not believe what she is saying. She probably had more in common with the people on the Left during her college years and decided to make a career out of it. At this point, even if she doesn’t believe trans people shouldn’t compete in women’s sports, she can’t say it. If she were honest, her career would be over.
Why does she keep saying that you can’t deprive Trans women of competing in sports when Piers pacifically stated that trans women or transgender people should have their own sports category or they compete against their biological sex, what part of that does she not understand?
their logic is crazy. If you create a category for them they'll say you are homophobic and hating, similar to not accepting their "feelings" of being a real woman. I'm just glad I'm from a place where these non-sense woke culture has not reached here yet because for the sake of young, confused children and kids, we'll fight for their lives too.
Morgan is kinda right on that one. Thomas was ranked 65 in men's. Then started taking the hormones and got weaker but stayed on the men's team that year and dropped to 450. Then moved to women's.
Well there are two things Separate a woman from a man Cost for parts and repair a woman has a vagina Like which will bleed every month a man does not have a menstrual cycle this is one of the things that separate a woman from a man and I believe this is what makes a woman a woman is the fact that she can get pregnant 3 her vagina and her womb in which a man does not have
I’ve noticed that advocates for trans athletes always twist the words of the protesters by claiming we’re trying to keep trans people from competing in sports. This is absolute BS and they know it. We are looking at the fact of the situation, and that is no matter how someone might “feel” it doesn’t change the fact that they have either a biological advantage or disadvantage, and it’s absolutely not fair for them to compete against athletes they will almost certainly always win against or always loose against. Either create your own league or compete in the league that matches your real gender. It’s that simple.
Why not ask Dopey there about how well trans-men fare in sport? There is HUGE reason we always know when a trans-woman competes against actual women vs ANY time a trans-man has tried to compete against real men
Ava Santina is just as woke and liberal as the other woke entities. Clay Travis & Piers Morgan, big ups to both of you for speaking common sense. Not forgetting the ex-teammate to Lia Thomas.
Ava either gets paid well to go against logic, common sense, and decency, or she just simply lacks all of the simple standards to be a good human adult.
Piers is so delusional if he thinks she will be back saying he was right all along 😂😂😂 Piers, have you not learned anything after all these years about these kinda people?!
I can’t believe someone would even try and defend this
She’s completely off her head
She's a traitor to womankind and by extension, humanity.
@@JohnSmith-hf8znShe 😂??.
The world has completely lost its mind.
Ava will if the money is right
Women need to start taking a real stand. If they’re competing against a man, refuse to compete as a group, things need to change.
No competitors,no competition. Let the transgender people compete against one another in their own category.
I agree, refise to compete against a biological man. If they all did it, this gross unfairness would stop immediately.
@mimikins7748 in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater:
Question:
If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles?
My answer:
Part1. Summary
I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong:
Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic
Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic
I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say:
'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet
'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’
Choice4:
Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that.
Part2. The full version:
Part2.1
Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 :
'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic'
It seems there's a little dilemma here.
CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place.
CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for.
Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.)
I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ...
Part2.2
Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?'
I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different.
A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess.
B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis.
There should be an optimal point eg:
'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.'
Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc.
Part2.3
I think the people who say
- (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place'
are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say
- (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.'
See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights.
This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women.
Part2.4
People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.'
Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists.
Part2.5
I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess.
Hence, everyone wins:
Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected.
Part2.6
But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023
'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women'
Part2.7 - Remark:
I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
Exactly my point - women must boycott competitions where such cheaters participate! Only this could be an effictive measure.
Oh, I like this idea 💡
He should not be able to compete in the women's categorie absolutely despicable.
He is delusional so is the rest of the west
My teen wants to de transition but they already had bottom surgery. Help
He's smart. He just abuses the fact that he is allowed to do so to win something of credit as he's just been mediocre with teammates of his stature. The true bigot is Lia Thomas himself
We are supreme, bow to my impeccable trans bod 💯🌟
He’s doing it deliberately because a) he competed rather mediocrely against other men & b) he’s a narcissist who’s very aware of the massive physical advantages he has over women, and knows that winning will be a piece of cake
Ava insinuating that the other women are "jealous" is absolutely repulsive and despicable. She should be ashamed.
Too brain dead to be ashamed. cheers
What really gets me is the fact that some women defend this injustice against women!!!! What is wrong with them???
Supporting the trans ideology is a blow to the patriarchy.
That blows my mind also !
They’re typically not athletes and don’t really care
Its a type of group insanity that has taken over a once reasonably sensible idea of being aware of one's own privileges. I used to defend woke thinking, not anymore
Nobody hated women more than woman
She said that women are jealous of lia Thomas winning because they couldn't. Complete disrespect to all women in sports
Yes. A bizarre statement
Yea. I would be embarrasssed if a dude at to come in to make us a winning team
@@vivienneb6199that blind blonde next a new brain
It's okay, sooner or later a trans'trend'er or trans'crack'tivist will do something to upset/hurt/trample all over her * she'll soon change her opinion.
They'll do something to her, they can't stop themselves. They wanna attack all women......her included
Woman can’t beat men in most sports. That’s why they have their own leagues.
All the women should refuse to play apart in this farce
Yes
and then Lia would just jump around saying "I win, I win" ... but you are right. His victory would be hollow without competition.
A woman did it against one in darts she was not bothered she lost out
@@rheimanotice2889
in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater:
Question:
If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles?
My answer:
Part1. Summary
I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong:
Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic
Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic
I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say:
'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet
'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’
Choice4:
Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that.
Part2. The full version:
Part2.1
Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 :
'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic'
It seems there's a little dilemma here.
CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place.
CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for.
Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.)
I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ...
Part2.2
Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?'
I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different.
A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess.
B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis.
There should be an optimal point eg:
'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.'
Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc.
Part2.3
I think the people who say
- (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place'
are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say
- (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.'
See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights.
This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women.
Part2.4
People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.'
Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists.
Part2.5
I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess.
Hence, everyone wins:
Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected.
Part2.6
But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023
'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women'
Part2.7 - Remark:
I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
Biological women should just take a knee and not even compete! He can swim by himself
That woman at the end is insane and sounds brainwashed
Who Ava?
She is
Yes she’s an attention seeking lunatic
I’m looking at her face & she’s angry. I can never understand why a woman can agree with trans women racing against women.
@@cynthiamckenzie8451biological Man
Why would LIA THOMAS even want to "compete" this way? There is no competition -- it's like being handed a trophy for nothing
and the funny thing is that this isn't enough proof, men are stronger just because he has long hair doesn't make him a woman
No one handed Thomas no trophy. Actually she lost most of the races in the 2021-2022 season.
@@meciocio She went from 554th to 5th in 500 Freestyle, and 65th to 1st in 500 Freestyle, when she turned from Man to Woman
It's like winning a trophy for boxing by beating up 10yr olds
@@stevegottenbass that analogy would work if one was regularly beaten by 10 years olds in boxing. Which I don't think it's the case.
Narcissism and delusion is my guess
I can't believe it.
Why we r debating this!
Because if you don't it will only get worse
@@michaelxz1305nope
That’s happening bcs higher people in higher positions want this to be trend at this time, we should this about education food homeless people but we talk about a guy who wants to be a woman that’s called back door man and that’s all.
@@Wolverine.848People in higher positions say they care about issues such as gender identity and such, just to get support from the community. *Not* My prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has claimed he supports all rainbow mafia rights. When people in said rainbow mafia are happy, woke liberals are also happy, and they get votes. Politicians pull this shit for popularity. So do celebrities.
It is unfair, period. Now, let's just not allow it.
in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater:
Question:
If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles?
My answer:
Part1. Summary
I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong:
Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic
Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic
I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say:
'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet
'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’
Choice4:
Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that.
Part2. The full version:
Part2.1
Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 :
'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic'
It seems there's a little dilemma here.
CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place.
CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for.
Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.)
I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ...
Part2.2
Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?'
I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different.
A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess.
B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis.
There should be an optimal point eg:
'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.'
Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc.
Part2.3
I think the people who say
- (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place'
are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say
- (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.'
See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights.
This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women.
Part2.4
People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.'
Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists.
Part2.5
I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess.
Hence, everyone wins:
Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected.
Part2.6
But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023
'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women'
Part2.7 - Remark:
I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
@@nicbentulan Males dominate chess no matter how they identify
@@nicbentulanchess cannot compare. No way I'm reading through all that again.
The same argument can be made for segregation in sports. The bone density of a woman of Afro decent is approximately just as different from a Eurasian woman as the difference is between a white man and a white woman.
@@IVY12023 you read that? 😆
All I'm getting is " I am a woman and I am going to force myself into womens spaces until I get what I want. Your feelings don't matter, just mine", which is why he will not be accepted by healthy women.
This is such a little addressed point. The demand to encroach and occupy women's spaces is the height of toxic masculinity. They rely on women's tendency to be amenable even in the face of their own discomfort!
That mindset showed Lia Thomas is a woman. All about her.
"Not allowing trans people to compete in sports" this is how disingenuous their argument is. Being made to compete in the category of your biological sex is not, not allowing them to compete, just like not allowing me a grown man to compete in 12 year old football games isn't preventing me from playing football.
I dont think, its disingeniuos, because with Piers argumentation there are 2 possibilities:
1. Biological women who become men will beat women they compete with, because of their testosterone treatment and everything stays unequal and unfair.
2. You have to exclude those biological women because of their testosterone treatment, thus exluding all transgender men.
The only other way out is to allow them all to compete with men, no matter whether they are men who became women or women who became men but that is not, what Piers suggested.
A biological male competing in women's sports is a cheat, plain and simple. Mr. Thomas towers over his female "teammates." He may not want to admit it but as a male competing with other men, he was a perpetual also ran, over 200 away from the contenders. Against females he was a "champion." Not a real champion like Riley Gaines but a male willing to go beyond the rules and any sense of fair play to satisfy his ego with a meaningless trophy.
@@xxMilakasiaxx in chess - here's my perspective as a chess960 fan and as a regular-chess hater:
Question:
If women's chess is to compensate for discrimination against women, then what discrimination did trans women experience when they were men that merits inclusion into women's tournaments & titles?
My answer:
Part1. Summary
I think we need a balance here. I find both of the ff are wrong:
Choice1 - Trans women are women hence they can. → misogynistic
Choice2 - Trans women are men hence they can't. → transphobic
I find the ff Choice3 hypocritical to say:
'there's no biological differences and hence they should be allowed' and yet
'women's chess should exist even though there are no biological differences.’
Choice4:
Well my guess is you can argue they didn't transition overnight so they experienced discrimination throughout their lives in particular maybe they thought they were gay at some point and received discrimination for that.
Part2. The full version:
Part2.1
Yosha Iglesias (@IglesiasYosha) posted on 2024Jan05 / 2024Jan04 :
'To be against trans women playing women's competition you have to believe that cis women can't play chess ie. be misogynistic'
It seems there's a little dilemma here.
CaseA : If you're saying women ARE just as good as men UNADJUSTED for sexism, then there's no need for a women's section in the 1st place.
CaseB : If you're saying women WOULD BE just as good as men ADJUSTED for sexism, then trans women have an advantage in that they didn't necessarily have experienced sexism to compensate for.
Hopefully, I'm not misogynistic to say 'I don't think cis women are as good as men BECAUSE AND ONLY BECAUSE of sexism.' (Note: It's not about being right. Absence of evidence is not evidene of absence.)
I think it's a little like 'Can people with mental illnesses use the restrooms meant for people with physical disabilities?' or ...
Part2.2
Ah I got it's like 'Is chess960 chess?', the precise version of which is 'When does chess960 count as chess?'
I believe Wesley's victory over Magnus in the 2019 WFRCC is diminished under either of the considerations that chess 960 & chess are completely the same or that they're completely different.
A - if they're completely the same, then it doesn't matter because Magnus won a bunch more than that in regular chess.
B - if they're completely different, then it doesn't matter just as if Wesley beat Magnus in xiangqi or tennis.
There should be an optimal point eg:
'Chess960 is like chess without openings and therefore, Wesley is better than Magnus in a combination of middlegames & endgames (most likely middlegames). It doesn't mean Wesley became the new 'world champion' after Magnus or that Wesley gets a wild card in the candidates ( hmph ... But why not? Fabi & Hikaru got wild cards in the 2019 WFRCC quarter-finals... ) because chess is indeed about all 3 phases of the game, even if 1 of the phases is already dead.'
Similarly, I don't think trans women should be trivially and automatically treated as women in every single way, category, possibility, etc.
Part2.3
I think the people who say
- (caseA) 'trans women should be allowed because there's no point of women's chess in the 1st place'
are more sexist / misogynistic than those who say
- (caseB) 'trans women shouldn't be allowed because of they, when they were men, didn't experience the sexism that cis women endured.'
See. That's not necessarily transphobia or misogyny. That's possibly concern for (cis)women's rights.
This isn't about putting trans women down. This is about looking out for cis women.
Part2.4
People who agree with Yosha's conclusion, they could still be sexist/misogynistic/transphobic. Like 'ok I'll vote trans women can join.' But this might be a short-term victory because in the long run in that they might not accept the reason women's chess exists in the 1st place: Like 'trans women can join BECAUSE there isn't a need for women's chess.'
Women's chess might still exist de jure, but de facto women's chess may not be respected as much if this kind of thinking persists.
Part2.5
I guess the correct answer is / should be that trans women did experience sexism while they were men and I guess it's on the same level as the sexism that cis women faced and therefore they should be allowed to play in women's chess.
Hence, everyone wins:
Trans women can join and in particular join FOR THE RIGHT REASONS and then women's chess will still be respected.
Part2.6
But then now comes the matter for women's physical sports... idk. I read recently about a trans woman competing in boxing on 2024Jan02 / 2024Jan023
'USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women'
Part2.7 - Remark:
I don't have definitive thoughts about all this, but I think it's fair to say that this shouldn't be like an easy or a trivial answer, particularly that if I disagree then I needn't be transphobic or misogynistic AND that if I agree then I COULD STILL be transphobic or misogynistic.
It's disingenuous for you to use words like biological sex when scientific research is confirming that transgender men are men and transgender women are women. I say this as a conservative who is a conservative second but a believer in science first and foremost.
I'm perfectly OK with trans people not being able to compete wherever they want. No one has the right to compete in a sport anyway. It's a privilege. You have to qualify, whether by age/sex/weight/time/etc. You have to follow the rules. You cannot use certain substances while competing, including some prescription medications for valid medical conditions. The rules exist to keep competitions as fair as possible. You don't bend the rules for certain people if it makes it unfair for everyone else.
The fact that we are even debating this is utter madness!
She went from 554th to 5th in 500 Freestyle, and 65th to 1st in 500 Freestyle, when she turned from Man to Woman
It's like winning a trophy for boxing by beating up 10yr olds
Ava needs to be assessed by a professional. It's dangerous to allow someone with her views to walk freely unchecked on this planet.
She’s an embarrassment
Ava is an example of someone who has chosen a stance that she will not be moved from regardless of how ridiculous it makes her seem… it doesn’t make you kind Ava it makes you anti woman
She’s made a career out of talking rubbish.
If lia thomas has a uterus ,then he is a female.
That's a bit OTT, just that her views ought to be put to a test which would put her firmly into a minority
How can Eva claim herself a woman rights activist and at the same time hate women and children so much?
She might be mental.
She can't; she's a traitor to her own kind.
she's a snooty boor
She doesn't care about women; she cares about herself. It serves her to parot extremely stupid beliefs, because it gets her a seat on the panel.
Attention. Anything for attention
Disgusting how the blond lady at 7:30 said other female teammates were just “jealous” of Lia Thomas??? This is madness it’s completely unfair and 99% of people agree
Ikr 😞?! WTF is wrong with this whacko
She is deranged
Ye I agree it's shocking
I gasped at this.
She’s right.
This shouldn’t even be discussed it’s outrageous
The tallest boy in her college is a mad sentence in itself🤣🤣
Lia Thomas a biological male who couldn't cut it in his own sex, decided to compete in the women's competition as a transgender women. Given he still maintains all the advantages of a male puberty it was a no brainer that he was going to win. What part of this fallacy does not scream WRONG on every level.
William Thomas
Hasn't cut off the tackle either. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to claiming to be a man once competing against women is completely taken away from him. It's all just a scam
@@Sparky_D🎯🎯🎯
@@Sparky_DI heard he did cut off his jewels and keeps them in a jar. He is a sick pervert.
Funny how hardcore activists supporting this shit will say there's no difference, even when you point out how some dude was in 200th, 300th, or 500th place in a sport, then boom, later on almost always goes to 1st place on the women's side.
That woman who defends it IS A MONSTER
She also mocked male suicide. She is very unpleasant.
Watch she will take you to court for hurting her feelings. She's a strong independent hypocritical witch don't you know.
@@Lass1888 she's also homophobic gay/lesbian don't support the gender Borg cult.
Don't hurt my feelings, I declare the moon is square, you bigot psychophobic!!!
“Don’t feel they’re in the right body.” Just because someone “feels” they’re someone they’re not doesn’t mean they ARE 🙄
I don’t feel like a 56 year old woman either, but- here I am.
I saw that coming LGBTQ+ is a scam, all cause they feel that they are bounded in wrong body 😂😂😂😂
I feel like Spiderman does not mean I am spiderman ha ha
Ava saying give the kids homrome blocks as the solution is madness.
Real women have to refuse to compete. This lunacy will continue until they do.
The reason Ava thinks it’s ok as it does not effect her life or dreams
She has such empathy for Lia, but cannot find any empathy for female athletes telling her they are scared, harassed, and that they are being downright bullied and coerced. She is championing the abusers of women that are outright publicly abusing women in sports right now over this topic.
It also doesn't effect your life or dreams
@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628 "affect"
@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628 please elaborate on how men entering women's spaces doesn't effect a woman's life? Or please articulate why we created men only and women's only spaces and why that should be done away with now?
She’s screwing her face up like a cats arse when people use logic it’s hilarious 😢
I wish Piers would stop giving Ava a platform to virtue signal on. She comes across very selfish and narcissistic, and is quite sarcastic given the seriousness of the show. Yet puts a front on as if she has more empathy than most people.
She's a pain in the neck.
@@Yvonne-le6juAnd a complete imbecile. 🤷♂️
Unfortunately they know people will turn up and watch videos because of her. After she shat on the idea of men's mental health on that show a few months ago she should never have been seen on any show ever again.
@@geoffm9924Agreed. 🤝 But who would even wanna hear anything this absolute imbecile has to say? 🤔
She and that male "comedian" talk absolute shit, but it is still important to have the opposing view because then it helps a healthy debate, even if the stuff they''re saying is the baffling stuff she says e.g "their jealous"
NOT "SHE", HE
Right? xD My God, some people just really don't know how to spell or pronounce specific words.
insane and ridiculous that we even have to talk about this, in the first place. any normal person knows what's right and wrong
This isn't defendable, Ava needs to stop trying to defend this. If Lia Thomas wants to compete then compete in a seperate category
I cannot possibly describe the disgust I feel when listening to Ava.
Me too! OMG! What is happening to the western world???
Likewise
"This is wrong" how the hell could anyone deem it right! Total and incredible madness.
A 50-year-old man in Canada recently declared himself 13-year-old female and was allowed to play sports and be in the dressing room with 13-year-old girls. It's already happening
I saw this, but it's only reported in fringe news. Not saying it's false, but I'm surprised that no legacy media hasn't addressed this.
excuse the news here is Canada is woke and too scared to report on it.
@@jenniferscott375 it's getting harder here to get news other than what is happening today. I'm not sure if you listen to Jordan Peterson, he's a Canadian and lives in Canada but is thinking about moving elsewhere. His daughter moved to Arizona. Hopefully Trudeau will be booted out.
@@rebeccamcclellan5284 I absolutely love Dr. Peterson!
I saw that.
“You’re going to have to allow children” STOP children should not be allowed to ruin their lives because of temporary confusion.
I was shocked when I saw that 50 old man competing with teenage girls in swimming. Also being able to change in the locker room. Pandora's Box has been opened smh
her argument doesn't even make sense. she's saying kids need to take puberty blockers before puberty to make it fair, yet she is defending someone who did not take them before puberty, and says it's fair. okay. lol.
She can't reason logically. How frustrating to listen to her nonsensical opinion
The wonders of being able to spit out openly such inconsistences, contradictions and logical fallacies...and never get called out about them...
Is certainly nice to be woke... :DDDDD
Yes she is brainless brainwashed
She wants us to not object to puberty blockers in exchange for not allowing Lia Thomas to compete.
He is not a woman.
He could only wish...
The only way they can change their sex is in their minds
Will, I mean Lia, does NOT belong on a WOMANS team. HE belongs on a MANS team. IF HE wants to swim in the Olympics, then lets be fair and put ALL transgender people in their OWN league.
they made them a league and nobody signed up... not even joking
He is not close to being good enough to make a men's team, which is why he he currently bullying women.
Lia doesn’t even exist.
Hey, there’s no difference between the sexes, remember?
As an actual woman I cannot believe how she can defend this. Praying she opens her eyes to reality.
No longer called, "The American Dream", but the "Transgender Dream" 👀🤣
His father must be so proud.
Yes, a word you've never heard from your father
You might be dumber than anyone realized. @@fab0527
according to current pronouns and all that crap, that has to be reworded....so ill give it a go....so hold on if i get anything wrong...i will...so
His father must be so proud.
“His”
His/there/he/him/something/man thing/blokey/suppressor of woman
“father”
Baby construction donator/male *not decided yet* (according to rainbow community, everyone can choose)
“Must be proud”
Oh hes not pride proud yet, cant be proud without pride bull shit
See the madness!!!
I take it you have two dads?@@fab0527
I am a father and I am proud of my kids, even if they were homosexual or transgender
She didn’t even come close to a valid argument.
What we need is a separate league for them along with a bathroom with a question mark on the door.
If that could be done - we'd get along just fine.
Guys who call themselves trans want to compete against real woman for the affirmation and the kinks. They won't do a trans team because it's like admitting you're a fake. Also, why find raise funds for what would be another men's team? One team for women, two for men.
Missing comments you tube aint free speech it's Nazi tube these days
Real women like Paula need to keep fighting thr good fight and stop this insanity!
PLEASEEE! Why are we even talking about this !!!! They want to force the world to accept them, when they do not even accept themselves and who they BIOLOGICALLY ARE!
Give those people Men that say they are women
They should complete against each other end of discussion
Don't people have common sense anymore? In what world is this fair?
I don’t often agree with Morgan, but here I’m all in agreeing. This is f-ing crazy. WTF has the world come to 🤮
Thanks Piers Morgan! Why is this woke crowd still arguing this nonsense. I CAN believe we're having some of these conversations but I don't understand why a biological man would compete against biological women. Why not create their own category in sports. I just don't get it.
That's the point, they don't want to compete in separate category because there will be same biological male and lees chance to win. Their target are women cos they easy can beat them.
They tried that but no one signed up as it does not support thier delusion.
@rmacdougallaliasdogviticus key word Delusional.
Because they know they can't win.
@@sherriianiro747bec not many trans athletes
Every competition has preliminary competotions before they can enter the CONPETITIONS
Like those grand slams tennis, all the rookies, no ranks athletes had to do preleominary matches before they can enter the Wimbledon matches with all the athletes with high ranks in the WTA
Make their own sex category, there might be 1 athlete or 3 in a sport, then they don't need to compete 😅😅they're gold silver and bronze already
Wasting time ..
He did not win..its called being cheated
Two things are obvious to me:
1) people dealing with gender dysphoria need care, help and acceptance. Not judgment.
2) you can’t put a trans woman in a competition with cis women.
Same
Not cis, just woman.
It makes me furious when a man steels these girls's future
It's narcissism, pure and simple.
You should get Douglas Murray and Lia Thomas on your show to debate.
Lee Thomas would never debate against Mr. Murray. He’s not smart enough. Mr. Murray would obliterate him.
How about Jesse Lee Peterson 😭
William Thomas ...
I think they should have Lia on the show
@@izoedyourbabydaddy7628Williams that is
I’m a 6 feet 250 pound male and I myself don’t want to compete against Lia, let alone a 5’5 150 pounds woman
Listen closely to her last statement. It sure sounds like she says "HE is a woman."
Why in the hell are you calling that man a "She"?
😂😂 I said the same thing
Can't believe we have to even have this discussion mad !!
If you want to play pretend go on more power to you but do not expect the rest of the world to live in your fantasy world. Piers just told her they could have a trans league if they want to compete in sports and she says right after then you don't want them to compete. The ignorance of these people is beyond understanding.
Transgenderism remains an incoherent worldview. And until its subscribers can provide workable definitions for terms like "gender", "man" and "woman" to begin with, we've no reason to take it seriously.
Piers stop calling "him" "she" thats the problem right there...
I love it when Piers tells someone without even trying to mask it "You are absolutely wrong". LMAO😆😆😆
The women's division was created for one reason only - to exclude males. This one should be easy. None of the rest of these details really matter if you just follow the actual reason for the category.
In Canada we have a 50 year old trans woman competing against 13 year old girls - and sharing the change rooms and showers. Thanks to Trudeau.
Please stop calling them trans"women". Call them what they are, transvestites. Male transvestites. We don't need a new word to describe them and they should not be validated by us using the word "woman" in any way.
I hope you’re joking
@@Mancer1980 - sadly it's not a joke. It makes me feel physically sick where the safeguarding on young girls is dismissed in the favour of this man's whims! Shocking really.
Sadly this is happening
Unbelievable!
His name is Will Thomas.
That line from Piers "Okay, Ava looking at you frowning away here" 😂 😂 😂
Kids do not need puberty blockers.
This is where I draw the line. This is madness.
The madness of the masses... Totally absurd!
I always see men competing against women but never the other way around.
Ava shocks me everytime on this. Baffled, Leah is NOT a woman. She identifies as one but that is not the same. Ava is no feminist and she's sat there mocking Piers and general common sense.
That Ada needs a reality check. No one is stopping Trans women from playing sports. She's just arguing for arguing sake.
We should allow this to happen so trans people don't get their feelings hurt? What a ridiculous argument.
We have to remember this activist may not believe what she is saying. She probably had more in common with the people on the Left during her college years and decided to make a career out of it. At this point, even if she doesn’t believe trans people shouldn’t compete in women’s sports, she can’t say it. If she were honest, her career would be over.
Why does she keep saying that you can’t deprive Trans women of competing in sports when Piers pacifically stated that trans women or transgender people should have their own sports category or they compete against their biological sex, what part of that does she not understand?
Pacifically?
@@Messier45_Pleiades *specifically (is that better?)
@@Messier45_Pleiades *Specifically (is that better?)
Because she is brainless n uneducated
their logic is crazy. If you create a category for them they'll say you are homophobic and hating, similar to not accepting their "feelings" of being a real woman. I'm just glad I'm from a place where these non-sense woke culture has not reached here yet because for the sake of young, confused children and kids, we'll fight for their lives too.
Don't call him Leah his name is Will Thomas not leah Thomas
Correct! You can’t have it both ways! His name is Will!
I'm a biological male that identifies as a women but the women I identify as identifies as a man. I'm confused...... what pronouns should I use?
Mr Piers, do not call him “her” or “she”.
This trans person was around rank 450, not 65, when competing against males
Morgan is kinda right on that one. Thomas was ranked 65 in men's. Then started taking the hormones and got weaker but stayed on the men's team that year and dropped to 450. Then moved to women's.
They should call the Lia’s win unlawful and let the women have full rights to the wins. He is not a she. At worst call him they!
How this woman defending it ! Disgraceful!
Eva is going to be the destruction of Title IX.
😳 imagine being a woman training all their lives ….. and how can Lia be proud of the accomplishment 😳🤔🤔🤔🤔
I wish that lady would tell us what a "woman" is when she says it. When she uses the word "woman" what does she mean.
Well there are two things Separate a woman from a man Cost for parts and repair a woman has a vagina Like which will bleed every month a man does not have a menstrual cycle this is one of the things that separate a woman from a man and I believe this is what makes a woman a woman is the fact that she can get pregnant 3 her vagina and her womb in which a man does not have
So I guess my husband could of given birth instead of me if he called himself a woman?? I could of avoided the pain. This is ridiculous!
trans men can give birth.
Why dont we ever get a female trying to playing in male sport
I like how she used the word " jealous" 😂😂😂. What an ........
We got your back Paula...
That monster is NO WOMAN!
Anyone else find it jarring that Piers keeps saying 'She' when referring to this man.
Absolutely.
You can’t see steam coming out of that lady’s ears the whole conversation 😂
I’ve noticed that advocates for trans athletes always twist the words of the protesters by claiming we’re trying to keep trans people from competing in sports. This is absolute BS and they know it. We are looking at the fact of the situation, and that is no matter how someone might “feel” it doesn’t change the fact that they have either a biological advantage or disadvantage, and it’s absolutely not fair for them to compete against athletes they will almost certainly always win against or always loose against. Either create your own league or compete in the league that matches your real gender. It’s that simple.
Why not ask Dopey there about how well trans-men fare in sport? There is HUGE reason we always know when a trans-woman competes against actual women vs ANY time a trans-man has tried to compete against real men
Mean while there are millions of people who face the fact they might not be able to live there dreams and move on.
the look on these women faces is classic and laughable I'm laughing
When i was a kid i wanted to be a pirate....im damn sure glad my mom didnt cut my arm off and put a hook on it 😅
Ava Santina is just as woke and liberal as the other woke entities. Clay Travis & Piers Morgan, big ups to both of you for speaking common sense. Not forgetting the ex-teammate to Lia Thomas.
Why does she care more about men's "feelings" about having to compete as men than womens feelings about not having to compete with men?
Because she got paid for that rubbish!!
Ava either gets paid well to go against logic, common sense, and decency, or she just simply lacks all of the simple standards to be a good human adult.
I suspect the later.
So do I
Piers is so delusional if he thinks she will be back saying he was right all along 😂😂😂 Piers, have you not learned anything after all these years about these kinda people?!
Please God don't allow this madness to reach Africa
That there is no concerns over transmen in sport. Tells you what the problem is 😮