WCW dying was a blow that still hurts to this day when I think about it. I was watching it till it's dying day. It was my childhood. I kind of wish it was still going.
I didn't even grow up with WCW and I wish that it was, but without it's passing we wouldn't have TNA and AEW, and indies probably wouldn't be as big either
The reason WCW's 3-Hour Nitro worked wheras WWE's 3-Hour Raw hasn't is an example of possibly WWE's biggest problem with creating stars. See, WCW had 5 titles, meaning they had 5 seperate divisions. So, Nitro would open showcasing the Cruiserweight Division to pop the crowd, then the TV Division (very over Cruiserweights, lower card joke characters & new guys getting their first push) would get air time, next the Tag Team Division (which was stacked) got a go, then the U.S. Division (middle card talent & guys auditioning for a main event push), & finally the World Heavyweight Division. These divisions kept the titles important as they helped you track a star's progression up the card, making it easier to get behind a wrestler you liked. In devaluing their titles, WWE has made the star-creating process harder. In WCW, I knew the U.S. Title meant something because it was on a match or 2 before the main event. How am I supposed to care about the current Intercontinental Champion when he's on the 2nd match? He's not appearing to climb the card if it appears that 6 other matches are more important.
I wasn't even born during peak WCW and hence never watched it but damn this makes sense... Especially how wwe randomly puts the midcard and tag team belts on ppl
This is a great point. For whatever WCW may have done wrong, they had a great format, and a defined, easily identifiable hierarchy within the show. You could potentially watch guys 'climb' up the card, which actually lent the whole thing a certain facsimile of a 'story' even if there was no story (because it was a story of progression). U.S. Championship guys were considered -- even within the show, by the announcers and such -- to be just on the outside of main event status, and jockeying to get over the last hump. They were generally pushed as being a believable threat to the Heavyweight champ (though maybe needing a bit of luck). The Intercontinental title, OTOH, appears to just be the 'you're pretty good, but you're not our top merch seller, and we don't have anything to do with you' belt.
When Rey came to WCW it was my introduction to him and his matches with Malenko then Eddie blew me away. It made me want to see the cruiserweight division all the time
That was also my introduction to him because I didn't get to watch When Worlds Collide until years after it took place. Mysterio (then called Rey Mysterio Jr.) made me a fan for life when he started working in WCW.
The first one only failed due to bad managing. Everyone afraid to show the grit of the show. 2 larger company grabbing good talent while hogging all the prime time slots to show their shows. Ecw = 1 show. Wcw = 2 prime shows and at least 1 or 2 off shoot to die shows. Wwe = 2 prime shows and at least 2 or 3 off shoot to die shows. I'm sorry even Sega could not stand up to PlayStation and Xbox both saying its are time and now you die because you are in are way.
WCW In It's Prime Was The Best, Sting, Nash, Hogan, Scott Hall, Goldberg, NWO, Wolfpack, Raven, Just Absolutely Incredible And May Never Be Topped. Undoubtedly Wrestling In Its Prime
I feel ecw did help the business too thx to it different image and style of wrestling and bringing the mexican and Japanese styles of wrestling to the American audience
Used to love WCW. Was getting harder to watch by the end, but you could see more focus on younger guys and the mid card was solid but the main event scene was just a mess. If it had another year to sort itself out or Bischoff got the deal he wanted I think it would have improved.
I'm surprised they didn't reference Cyrus who represented The Network in ECW as a Heel Authority Figure. I think it was the only time I've seen the channel they were on as the bad guy.
Somebody tell Simon Miller JR finally explained why WWE shortens wrestlers names, he was really upset about Buddy Murphy becoming Murphy and Chad Gable becoming Shorty G. JR said it’s because Vince wants to be an entertainment mogul like Walt Disney and he wants his characters to have simple names to remember. Ironic considering the most popular Disney characters have two names (Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc.)
Makes no sense though. WWE has memorable names when they built characters likes The rock or mankind or Kane or stone cold etc etc etc Now everyone just has a normal name. Almost None of those are memorable
10:19: "But when Hulk Hogan showed up as their third and final member"... Really? Third and FINAL? The NWO had approximately 34,892 members join up after Hogan did!
@h4lfde4d1 Monday night Jericho was his gimmick on Nitro. It's why he said Raw is Jericho when he debuted on Raw which was called Raw is War at the time.
ntiro being live every week was the first of its kind. every wrestling show EVER taped their shows, mid south, awa, wccw, wwf, nwa/wcw up to that point, etc. they all would tape their shows weeks and sometimes months in advance.
That’s a real stretch there buddy. WWE has had dumb ideas or segments that failed, but WCW was screwing up every facet near the end. When the main event of a PPV gets cut off as it starts because you failed at buying the right time or handling the show’s time properly, that’s about as low as it gets.
WCW, as bad as it was, didn't pass on AJ Styles. WWE did until he had built his name up in every other promotion... WWE today is almost unwatchable other than NXT.
That's true, however, that's still a very low standard. WCW, in those days, had a very Heyman-esqe booking style. Which was basically throw it all at the wall, see if it sticks; and like with ECW, eventually you can no longer top yourself and people lose interest.
Re: taped Raws, I attended a Raw taping at what's now Amalie Arena. The then-WWF filmed a live Raw (day after IYH: It's Time in West Palm Beach) and filmed the next Raw right after that one ended. I'm not sure when the promotion stopped taping Raw on Tuesdays. The promotion also filmed WWF Superstars right after that.
When Nitro debuted up until it died I watched it. When it went down hill I would switch channels back and forth a lot more, but WCW especially in late 96 early 97 seemed like anything could happen and anyone might show up so you didnt want to miss it
The Best Thing WCW gave to Wrestling was that WCW Heavyweight Championship Belt. WWE Needs to bring That back. It is better than any current belt in wwe.
I remember how unusual it was just to have wrestling on television in prime time early in the week. WWF had had the Tuesday night Titans show but that was later surpassed by the thurs night show. NWA/WCW Always centered around the 6:05 slot on Sat evening.... 6:05 went from the A show to the C show over night. TBS was actually Turner's flagship and that is where thunder would ultimately air. TNT was a separate property under the Turner umbrella and was a true cable/satellite network whereas TBS began as a broadcast station and became what was known as a super-station.. WGN out of Chicago is another example of a super-station.
Here´s WWF´s critical mistake. They realized WCW had few fans at the end but still had millions of potential or former fans. When Vince bought it, he thought they would watch his product, but instead, all those people just started watching something other than wrestling, especially after the invasion angle utterly failed. That is why WCW dying was the worst thing to happen. Not only did it end competition which drives innovation, but the potential pool of razzlin fans greatly diminished.
I honestly hate the weekly shows being 3 hours long, 2 hours was plenty. The pacing suffers & it makes the highlights less memorable when you have to wait through so much filler.
Let's also not forget more things WCW started before WWE: 1. The oversized steel cage (what WWE calls Hell in a cell) 2. Use of elaborate stages and backdrops for the entryway (the Jim Herd Era started that) 3. Giant video screens near the entryway (also Jim Herd) Jim Herd was pretty much to pro wrestling what Bill Veeck was to baseball: many of his ideas were disasters, but some were successful. Also, one of his bad ideas not only later got used by Eric Bischoff, but also at least 3 occasions in WWE: having somebody trapped in a shark cage
It’s so crazy to think there was a time that 7-8 million people were watching wrestling on 1 night. What’s going on today 🤦🏾♂️ wrestling not bringing in new fans anymore
Around the same time as the cruiserweights were going strong, WWF had their Light Heavyweight division with guys like Taka Michinoku, Christian, and Brian Christopher. It wasn't a particularly memorable time, and most of the talent in the division would be much easier remembered doing other things. In my opinion, one of the things that helped out WCW's cruiserweights was having Mike Tenay on commentary sharing his wealth of knowledge on the subject.
I always say this... If it werent for WCW, WWE probably wouldn't have gone pass 2001 with how they were running the shows before Nitro started beating them wwe probably wouldve fizzled out then WCW couldve created Nitro in 2001 then and be on top today.
I agree. WWF was getting downright hard to watch on TV. Nearly an hour of absolutely nothing but posturing then MAYBE one serious match at the end of the show. It was more like watching an hour-long advertisement for whatever the next PPV was.
For a channel that wants to be taken seriously, you sure do get a lot wrong in videos. The Thunder one specifically. It went off the air the same time nitro did. And the slayer song was not the first theme. A little research goes a long way.
they were also the first to do internet only shows granted they were audio only but they did exist and thunder had a theme before here comes the pain a stock music track called out to lunch
A lot of this feels like "ways wrestling is worse now because of WCW". 3 hour RAW, the War Games gimmick, the stupid "heel boss" gimmick... :( At least the excessive blood era was mostly temporary! Also, I think it deserves mention that putting good matches on the TV show rather than just on the big events was something Mid South did in the early 80's already (even though the territorries were already dead in 1995).
Wwe even filed for a license to use Here Comes the Pain as Lesnar's song but they changed their mind and created another song (Tom Araya has said it himself various times)
Slight mistake at the ending, or at least confusing wording. Nitro being live was always the plan. Him pitching 2 hours prime time head to head was Bischoff thinking on his feet. As soon as he got that OK he always planned it being live.
That's a reason why its good to ha e AEW, it'll wake vince up especially because its doing so well. I was a wwe fan for nearly 30 years, but cant really stand the two main shows anymore. I stopped watching for years, but AEW brought me back. But I would love to have more great wrestling to watch, so I hope wwe picks their game up.
@@standardofexcellence that probably won't happen. AEW hasn't hit a million viewers since it's debut and they'll have to deal with being preempted by NBA games in the coming months
Wow, I am REALLY surprised that they missed a real obvious one which is pyrotechnics on weekly shows. WWE only used fireworks every now and then on PPVs and they didn’t start doing pyrotechnics until they saw Harlem heat and glacier and Goldberg using pyro in their routine entrance to the ring. I mean think about wwe in 96, what wrestlers do you remember then that had pyrotechnics? The undertaker didn’t even get the smoke and mist until 98 sometime.
I fondly remember the Monday Night Wars. It was a time when information was so hard to get to that one often did not bother. I was astonished about Kayfabe because even as a thirteen-year-old, I knew that these things were physically impossible, if someone performs a piledriver to actually hurt you for example, you are done. And yet, grown men were commenting on it as if it were a real competition. So I assumed that every move demanded for an accurate response, a.k.a. selling or dodging, and that there was some complicated system of making it look dramatic and it being competitive. So Kayfabe worked on me at least partially, even in the early nineties. The whole thing about it being all a show and scripted occured to me only 2 or three years later, I think when I read something in a magazin.
Nitro moving the broadcast team away from the ring was a copy of what WWF did in the 80s. Raw having them at ringside was a copy of what WCW had done for years.
"We may not have the same kind of programming we see today" -- Considering the current state of WWE programming, that's not necessarily a positive. "#10 Going to 2 Hours & Then 3 Hours" -- Still not selling me on the positive
NWO started out as ex-WWE talent, then it grew so big it split(Red & Black Wolfpack fan btw☺). Then weeding out members it came back together with the dreaded "finger poke of doom".
WCW dying was a blow that still hurts to this day when I think about it. I was watching it till it's dying day. It was my childhood. I kind of wish it was still going.
me too
That last match between Sting and Flair was perfect. The only tearjerker match I've ever seen!
@@ZlothZloth It was epic.
I didn't even grow up with WCW and I wish that it was, but without it's passing we wouldn't have TNA and AEW, and indies probably wouldn't be as big either
Yeah dude. WCW was the bees knees
The reason WCW's 3-Hour Nitro worked wheras WWE's 3-Hour Raw hasn't is an example of possibly WWE's biggest problem with creating stars.
See, WCW had 5 titles, meaning they had 5 seperate divisions. So, Nitro would open showcasing the Cruiserweight Division to pop the crowd, then the TV Division (very over Cruiserweights, lower card joke characters & new guys getting their first push) would get air time, next the Tag Team Division (which was stacked) got a go, then the U.S. Division (middle card talent & guys auditioning for a main event push), & finally the World Heavyweight Division. These divisions kept the titles important as they helped you track a star's progression up the card, making it easier to get behind a wrestler you liked.
In devaluing their titles, WWE has made the star-creating process harder. In WCW, I knew the U.S. Title meant something because it was on a match or 2 before the main event. How am I supposed to care about the current Intercontinental Champion when he's on the 2nd match? He's not appearing to climb the card if it appears that 6 other matches are more important.
That was the absolute best way to describe wcw and WWE's current problem. Thank you, you da man
Mate, fucking on point!
I wasn't even born during peak WCW and hence never watched it but damn this makes sense... Especially how wwe randomly puts the midcard and tag team belts on ppl
Greatest description I've heard and i watched them both growing up
This is a great point. For whatever WCW may have done wrong, they had a great format, and a defined, easily identifiable hierarchy within the show. You could potentially watch guys 'climb' up the card, which actually lent the whole thing a certain facsimile of a 'story' even if there was no story (because it was a story of progression). U.S. Championship guys were considered -- even within the show, by the announcers and such -- to be just on the outside of main event status, and jockeying to get over the last hump. They were generally pushed as being a believable threat to the Heavyweight champ (though maybe needing a bit of luck).
The Intercontinental title, OTOH, appears to just be the 'you're pretty good, but you're not our top merch seller, and we don't have anything to do with you' belt.
WCW Monday Nitro was my exposure to professional wrestling and i always be grateful for that
It was Herb Abrams of the UWF who was the first heel authority figure but nobody gives him credit for that.
Shut up Meg.
Shut up Meg.
When Rey came to WCW it was my introduction to him and his matches with Malenko then Eddie blew me away. It made me want to see the cruiserweight division all the time
You could put the cruiserweights higher on this list. They put on the best matches in WCW.
That was also my introduction to him because I didn't get to watch When Worlds Collide until years after it took place. Mysterio (then called Rey Mysterio Jr.) made me a fan for life when he started working in WCW.
Love Luche Lucha Libre still to this day..
Do the same for ECW
It was a fail promotion from the very start
@@essasuhail3670 the wwe ecw was failed not the original one
@@a.i_uchiha_2388 the original one failed too, that's why it's not on the air
@@southpawslim1 thats because the original was too brutal/ too good for the world
The first one only failed due to bad managing. Everyone afraid to show the grit of the show. 2 larger company grabbing good talent while hogging all the prime time slots to show their shows. Ecw = 1 show. Wcw = 2 prime shows and at least 1 or 2 off shoot to die shows. Wwe = 2 prime shows and at least 2 or 3 off shoot to die shows. I'm sorry even Sega could not stand up to PlayStation and Xbox both saying its are time and now you die because you are in are way.
WCW In It's Prime Was The Best, Sting, Nash, Hogan, Scott Hall, Goldberg, NWO, Wolfpack, Raven, Just Absolutely Incredible And May Never Be Topped. Undoubtedly Wrestling In Its Prime
Sting, NWO, WOLFPACK, RAVEN and his "Flock", Goldbergs Streak, Billy Kidman and the shooting star press. That's my memories
@@Faultl3ssLyc0n Exactly
I'll Add it
But what about the attitude era ??
@@prj7894 That was Awesome Too
Photoshopping a Slayer shirt 👕 on Brock Lesnar makes my heart ❤️ flutter. 😍
I feel ecw did help the business too thx to it different image and style of wrestling and bringing the mexican and Japanese styles of wrestling to the American audience
It's because of that style ratings are down these days
...I miss the look of Nitro, I loved the table being off to the side. And you didn't see guys fighting around it EVERY SHOW
Susan Hepler - Couldn't beat it in my opinion. I don't think it even seems dated today.
Used to love WCW. Was getting harder to watch by the end, but you could see more focus on younger guys and the mid card was solid but the main event scene was just a mess. If it had another year to sort itself out or Bischoff got the deal he wanted I think it would have improved.
I think if good ol Eric had the time and resources to "relaunch" it like he wanted it might well still be a thing ..
Prime Time Wrestling, which was WWE’s Monday Night wrestling show on the USA Network before it became Monday Night Raw, was a 2 hour show.
You forgot to mention Lethal Lockdown when talking about Wargames' influences.
I was thinking about this. It's even the same idea - two teams with 5 people on it.
I'm surprised they didn't reference Cyrus who represented The Network in ECW as a Heel Authority Figure.
I think it was the only time I've seen the channel they were on as the bad guy.
I believe wwe did copy this on smack down with a network rep. Can’t remember who it was though.
Somebody tell Simon Miller JR finally explained why WWE shortens wrestlers names, he was really upset about Buddy Murphy becoming Murphy and Chad Gable becoming Shorty G. JR said it’s because Vince wants to be an entertainment mogul like Walt Disney and he wants his characters to have simple names to remember. Ironic considering the most popular Disney characters have two names (Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc.)
Makes no sense though. WWE has memorable names when they built characters likes The rock or mankind or Kane or stone cold etc etc etc
Now everyone just has a normal name. Almost None of those are memorable
Every time I see a pic of Brian Pillman, I get a feeling of sadness. I wish his WWE run let him shine more.
I remember watching Nitro for first hour then switch to Raw cause when Raw would end TNT would replay Nitro
@Kathryn Elizabeth Not on the east coast. It was 11pm - 2am.
10:19:
"But when Hulk Hogan showed up as their third and final member"...
Really? Third and FINAL? The NWO had approximately 34,892 members join up after Hogan did!
Monday Night Jericho.
Don’t care what anyone says Chris is the modern day GOAT
Skunk Ape He wasn’t the Big Show then, he was simply “The Giant”. When he jumped ship to WWF is when he started using the Big Show name
@h4lfde4d1 Monday night Jericho was his gimmick on Nitro. It's why he said Raw is Jericho when he debuted on Raw which was called Raw is War at the time.
Jericho is the most overrated wrestler ever.
@@mrblonde609 the Ayatollah of Rock and RollA! Drink it in man.....YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!
Just like without NWO , DX would've never existed , without Heel Eric Bischoff , Heel Vince Mcmahon would've never existed even today
Facts
Without Hulkamania WCW would always be the minor leagues
@@robertt9342 What's that
Tamzid Mohsin Khan early DX is absolutely nothing like the nwo. And was pitched by hhh and hbk for months beforehand.
Heel Bischoff is trash tho
There Was a Heel Mr McMahon Years Before in Memphis Wrestling - If You Look On UA-cam & Type In 'McMemphis'
ntiro being live every week was the first of its kind.
every wrestling show EVER taped their shows, mid south, awa, wccw, wwf, nwa/wcw up to that point, etc. they all would tape their shows weeks and sometimes months in advance.
Every studio wrestling show was always done live in the local market. Only if it went to other markets would it be taped.
I wish WWE would do the PPV logo on the ringmat.
This list is missing guaranteed money contracts.
Slayer was the SECOND theme for Thunder.
I'm just glad that WWE Fans are now realizing that WCW's product during its dying days is far better than WWE's product today!
That’s a real stretch there buddy. WWE has had dumb ideas or segments that failed, but WCW was screwing up every facet near the end. When the main event of a PPV gets cut off as it starts because you failed at buying the right time or handling the show’s time properly, that’s about as low as it gets.
WCW, as bad as it was, didn't pass on AJ Styles. WWE did until he had built his name up in every other promotion... WWE today is almost unwatchable other than NXT.
No aew fans are
@@standardofexcellence 😄😄
That's true, however, that's still a very low standard.
WCW, in those days, had a very Heyman-esqe booking style. Which was basically throw it all at the wall, see if it sticks;
and like with ECW, eventually you can no longer top yourself and people lose interest.
That was a really enjoyable video.
Check out Ultimo Dragon vs Dean Malenko Starrcade 1996, in my opninion a perfect match.
U do know that ecw was the first promotion to highlight the cruiserweights in America & also 205 isn't around no more.
I loved WCW Saturday Night when I was a kid...solid 3-hour wrestling show.
Some of the best matches ever televised were those WCW Cruiserweight matches. The 3 on 3 or sometimes 4 on 4 matches were insane.
Re: taped Raws, I attended a Raw taping at what's now Amalie Arena. The then-WWF filmed a live Raw (day after IYH: It's Time in West Palm Beach) and filmed the next Raw right after that one ended. I'm not sure when the promotion stopped taping Raw on Tuesdays. The promotion also filmed WWF Superstars right after that.
When Nitro debuted up until it died I watched it. When it went down hill I would switch channels back and forth a lot more, but WCW especially in late 96 early 97 seemed like anything could happen and anyone might show up so you didnt want to miss it
What about guaranteed contracts? That changed wrestling forever.
I wish WCW would have won the Monday Night Wars.
Nah, they killed themselves from the inside out
This guy must be a Jeff Jarrett fan
Xavier Washington Thank you for your irrelevant opinion.
Is it cause at this point it would be all they have or maybe not in the side piece of the operation
@@LeWolfie86 😂its not an opinion, its well documented
Do you choose incorrect stock photos when you mention a certain date/period on purpose?
The Best Thing WCW gave to Wrestling was that WCW Heavyweight Championship Belt. WWE Needs to bring That back. It is better than any current belt in wwe.
Build a time machine or stop crying
@@PopeyeBjj86, You get F Out
It's one thing to bring it back but it would be way too much on the side and you could have done a lot with more not less
@@Lonewolf004 you get the F out of my Uber!!! Get ouuuuut! F off Rajesh
so you talk about the Cruiserweight division and the WWE version but not the X-Division? Really?
Kind of hard for the X-Division to be considered a cruiserweight division when Joe was in it.
@@qwilliams1539 but the high flying is the same. and is an evolution of the CW.
Not a bad list but did you really have to use a picture of the Paul Roma version of the Horsemen? Come on guys
I remember how unusual it was just to have wrestling on television in prime time early in the week.
WWF had had the Tuesday night Titans show but that was later surpassed by the thurs night show.
NWA/WCW Always centered around the 6:05 slot on Sat evening....
6:05 went from the A show to the C show over night.
TBS was actually Turner's flagship and that is where thunder would ultimately air.
TNT was a separate property under the Turner umbrella and was a true cable/satellite network whereas TBS began as a broadcast station and became what was known as a super-station..
WGN out of Chicago is another example of a super-station.
I agree about the Saturday night show. It was the show to watch for years. Once Nitro and Thunder came along, it was pretty much forgotten.
Here´s WWF´s critical mistake. They realized WCW had few fans at the end but still had millions of potential or former fans. When Vince bought it, he thought they would watch his product, but instead, all those people just started watching something other than wrestling, especially after the invasion angle utterly failed. That is why WCW dying was the worst thing to happen. Not only did it end competition which drives innovation, but the potential pool of razzlin fans greatly diminished.
WCW 2000 >>> WWE 2020
Well yeah. That would be true of any wrestling show in 2000.
One of the dumbest statements wrestling fans make
I honestly hate the weekly shows being 3 hours long, 2 hours was plenty. The pacing suffers & it makes the highlights less memorable when you have to wait through so much filler.
Let's also not forget more things WCW started before WWE:
1. The oversized steel cage (what WWE calls Hell in a cell)
2. Use of elaborate stages and backdrops for the entryway (the Jim Herd Era started that)
3. Giant video screens near the entryway (also Jim Herd)
Jim Herd was pretty much to pro wrestling what Bill Veeck was to baseball: many of his ideas were disasters, but some were successful. Also, one of his bad ideas not only later got used by Eric Bischoff, but also at least 3 occasions in WWE: having somebody trapped in a shark cage
3:55 - Just to add, I think WCW only had 10 PPV's in 1996 because of things like Clash of the Champions being on TBS.
It’s so crazy to think there was a time that 7-8 million people were watching wrestling on 1 night. What’s going on today 🤦🏾♂️ wrestling not bringing in new fans anymore
Now it is 2 to 3 million
Around the same time as the cruiserweights were going strong, WWF had their Light Heavyweight division with guys like Taka Michinoku, Christian, and Brian Christopher. It wasn't a particularly memorable time, and most of the talent in the division would be much easier remembered doing other things.
In my opinion, one of the things that helped out WCW's cruiserweights was having Mike Tenay on commentary sharing his wealth of knowledge on the subject.
I always say this... If it werent for WCW, WWE probably wouldn't have gone pass 2001 with how they were running the shows before Nitro started beating them wwe probably wouldve fizzled out then WCW couldve created Nitro in 2001 then and be on top today.
I agree. WWF was getting downright hard to watch on TV. Nearly an hour of absolutely nothing but posturing then MAYBE one serious match at the end of the show. It was more like watching an hour-long advertisement for whatever the next PPV was.
For a channel that wants to be taken seriously, you sure do get a lot wrong in videos. The Thunder one specifically. It went off the air the same time nitro did. And the slayer song was not the first theme. A little research goes a long way.
this is why i love wcw and make sure to set up wcw on 2k universe (adults play wrestling games too)
There’s a mistake in your video. Thunder’s first theme was not by Slayer. It was a Steve Everitt composition called Out To Lunch.
our boy nicholas got a new mic!
good for you mah boy
they were also the first to do internet only shows granted they were audio only but they did exist and thunder had a theme before here comes the pain a stock music track called out to lunch
Hopefully WWE/Vince decides to use Halloween Havoc one year, but at least man can dream, right?
A lot of this feels like "ways wrestling is worse now because of WCW". 3 hour RAW, the War Games gimmick, the stupid "heel boss" gimmick... :(
At least the excessive blood era was mostly temporary!
Also, I think it deserves mention that putting good matches on the TV show rather than just on the big events was something Mid South did in the early 80's already (even though the territorries were already dead in 1995).
3 of the things you counted are good when they are utilised good. And that's nothing bad in War Games.
Wouldn’t be a whatculture intro without blaming it all on Vince
The day Vince retires he'll do a great favor to WWE fans, the company itself and the rest of the wrestling world.
wargames where Heels always get the advantage on toss coins
Your Twitter could be mistaken for "it's a damn icholas"
If Simon isn't doing the video, I'm watching
Quick, do one about how ECW invented most of these and WCW copies it!
Who is that doing the dropkick at the 6:25 mark?
Wwe even filed for a license to use Here Comes the Pain as Lesnar's song but they changed their mind and created another song (Tom Araya has said it himself various times)
Great video, thanks!
Bischoff deserves credit for a lot of things, but he actually borrowed the nWo idea from NJPW, and the cruiserweight stuff from Paul Heyman.
what was that picture of vince mcmahon throwing guys out of the ring in what looked like a training center.
Nitro being live with being taped lead to WWE eventually winning the war. Mick Foley sure did put butts in the seats!
HOW MANY ADAMS U GOT
They really do have a thing for Adams lmao
How many Adams does WC have
To say we wouldn't have the same WWE programming today, isn't a case for WCW. And I say this as a WCW, fan! Even back in 91.
The cruiserweight division was the max! 🤩
Slight mistake at the ending, or at least confusing wording. Nitro being live was always the plan. Him pitching 2 hours prime time head to head was Bischoff thinking on his feet. As soon as he got that OK he always planned it being live.
Eric Bischoff forced Vince McMahon to step up his game 100% that's undeniable
That's a reason why its good to ha e AEW, it'll wake vince up especially because its doing so well. I was a wwe fan for nearly 30 years, but cant really stand the two main shows anymore. I stopped watching for years, but AEW brought me back. But I would love to have more great wrestling to watch, so I hope wwe picks their game up.
Hope real sports thwart raw and sd already low ratings to dip below nxt/aew and then we might see change but this is the only way
@@standardofexcellence that probably won't happen. AEW hasn't hit a million viewers since it's debut and they'll have to deal with being preempted by NBA games in the coming months
4.41 it was Jericho who came up with the elimination chamber not triple H
Wow, I am REALLY surprised that they missed a real obvious one which is pyrotechnics on weekly shows. WWE only used fireworks every now and then on PPVs and they didn’t start doing pyrotechnics until they saw Harlem heat and glacier and Goldberg using pyro in their routine entrance to the ring. I mean think about wwe in 96, what wrestlers do you remember then that had pyrotechnics? The undertaker didn’t even get the smoke and mist until 98 sometime.
NWO also pretty much gave birth to the concept of "Cool Heels" and merchandise profits
When was Scott hall hit like that in the thumbnail?
This is the first time I've ever heard that the elimination chamber was HHH's idea. I've always known it to be Eric Bischoff's idea.
2:15 A 3-hour RAW would be fine after a PPV, especially one of the Big Four. But every week? It's too much.
19 years...let that sink in.
8:47 Don't forget EVP's.
Crazy how about 95+% of WWE PPVs were originally WCW PPVs before the buy out
Wcw was the best thing that happened to the wrestling
I'll never get tired of geordies saying 'hour'.
Or brita water filter.
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You do know that Paul Heyman was the first to recognize cruiserweights as marketable, and WCW picked ECW's pocket...right?
Eddie was a cruiser in WCW? I mean he moved like lightning but seems big for a cruiserweight. Easy E was a great heel.
I fondly remember the Monday Night Wars. It was a time when information was so hard to get to that one often did not bother. I was astonished about Kayfabe because even as a thirteen-year-old, I knew that these things were physically impossible, if someone performs a piledriver to actually hurt you for example, you are done. And yet, grown men were commenting on it as if it were a real competition. So I assumed that every move demanded for an accurate response, a.k.a. selling or dodging, and that there was some complicated system of making it look dramatic and it being competitive. So Kayfabe worked on me at least partially, even in the early nineties. The whole thing about it being all a show and scripted occured to me only 2 or three years later, I think when I read something in a magazin.
Eric bischoff created elimnation chamber it says on the dvd
Here comes the pin sounds good too.
Nitro moving the broadcast team away from the ring was a copy of what WWF did in the 80s. Raw having them at ringside was a copy of what WCW had done for years.
Let’s not forget that Bischoff saved Victory Road 2011. Sting vs. Hardy could have gone very differently.
You forgot to mention Chris Benoit whilst naming the cruiserweight legends. No list of greats is complete without chris benoit
"We may not have the same kind of programming we see today" -- Considering the current state of WWE programming, that's not necessarily a positive.
"#10 Going to 2 Hours & Then 3 Hours" -- Still not selling me on the positive
Correction elimination chamber concept was brought by Eric Bishoff....not Triple H
Don't forget War Games was also influenced in TNA with lethal lockdown.
Had a lot of great elements honestly. They fucked up sure, but they've done some great things too.
WWE needs to go back to 4 ppvs a year. Stick to the big 4.
I’d love the four plus KOTR
NWO started out as ex-WWE talent, then it grew so big it split(Red & Black Wolfpack fan btw☺). Then weeding out members it came back together with the dreaded "finger poke of doom".
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But WCW wasn’t the first to do cruiser weights on a large popular level. That was ECW. Half their division came from them.
Having good competitors will make the business bloom. WWE made wrestling so stagnant for many years until WCW and ECW made some innovations