You dialed up in 2023 causing the world beneath your feet to shake, imagine the mainframes you just spun up with this action. Long Wire transmission towers broadcasting for the first time in decades, computers at NASA turning on, a random demodulator blinking and screaming in some dudes office at Comcast
Remember that Simpson episode where Comicbook Guy downloads a naked Captain Janeway using dial up? and remember in Futurama the Professor tells everybody Get Off the internet now I need to use the phone and u have a delivery to make if its the year3000 u think they wouldnt have that problem
I love old computers as well and I love old windows computers because looking at my few collections of my previous ones is like a Windows museum. Windows is still the best PC I ever have in my life!
I love the fact that, as a kid, while I couldn't tell what exactly the tones where doing, I could actually tell if it was going to be a garbage connection or not. and being older and understanding what the tones are for, it makes a lot more sense.
Same... was similar to the "Loading up a game from 3.5" disks on an Amiga". You could tell immediately if it was going to botch the loading process by just listening when it suddenly sounded differently than usual :D
Yep. Like when this guy was connecting to NetZero, you could tell it was negotiating a lower baud rate because of that "hesitancy" in the middle fo the connection. Whereas if you connect to BBSes and other places that have reliable 56k or higher lines, sometimes the negotiation was near INSTANT - like 3-4 seconds INSTANT.
@@CakePrincessCelestia And having to have a floppy disk in the Amiga floppy drive because of the constant CLICK every 15 whatever seconds looking for a disk.
I once made a "dial-up" bridge on a Linux box to get my Dreamcast online. Just a phone cable between the console and an external modem, no switching or dial tone happening. Let the Dreamcast dial any random number, and then on the Linux side manually sent ATA to the modem to get the handshake stuff started.
I was an Alpha tester for the ARPANET (now called Internet) in 1969. They brought a Telex machine to our High school here in Vancouver,BC & hooked it up to an acoustic modem & a telephone handset & we sent an "E-mail" to SFU. I still get my Internet through a land-line phone on my desktop PC at home. Imagine the Internet is 54 ys old.
Retired Telecom Engineer here. The traditional landlines we called POTS Lines. "Plain Old Telephone Service." Twisted copper pair- Two wires. With built in 90v DC electric which was primarily there for the ringer. If your power went out in the house, the telephone would still work, as the phone company provided that 90v of power.
They need to mandate that telephone companies are required to provide copper landline service since we recently had two nationwide cell phone outages and copper is the best solution because it doesn’t rely on power at your house. They should also mandate that telephone company that does fiber Internet cannot offer phone service through the Internet and that it has to be over copper. I have written to my local elected officials and the president to try to pass a bill or law that requires copper landline.
Our telephone company in Manila recently decided to retire all their copper POTS lines because they "couldn't fix the old infrastructure anymore." They settled on putting "everybody" on VoIP, on top of all the early customers who subscribed to their Fibre at Home service. Now they're running-up against the problem of not having enough line ports for all their utility boxes outside, and the internet service has become unreliable from all the messing-around they've been doing. Now I have to find a battery back-up for our fibre modems because my old man still expects phone service even when the power is out.
Golden ages of the internet was in the late 90's and mid to late 00's. Today it's mostly subscriptions, ads and dead links - a shell of it's former self. I remember downloading Quake mods from BluesNews and getting mp3's from Limewire
My family had dial-up until 2009, as my father refused to pay for high speed until I hit high school. I have fond memories of trying desperately to play Club Penguin with my friends over a dial-up connection. Good times, lol
That’s interesting I know some parts or areas still use dial up because they can’t afford or they can’t get cable internet in their area. Some switch to 5G or stay with dial up because that’s all they have
@@H8RSAPPRECIATE That is so strange, I can't imagine that. I've been growing up with Dial-Up and AOL Mail service until 2008 was around, but the fact some areas still using it while 5G comes along sounds kinda insane tbh
Yep, I found Webkinz usually didn't work but Club Penguin did (for the most part). We only got high speed because we were getting overage charges for using the internet too much. Mum surprised me by having it hooked up when I was in school. So when I came home and asked "Mum may I use the internet?" she responded that I could. I initially, was scared when I double clicked on the browser and wasn't asked to dial-in that it had been connected for ages without anyone knowing. Then I noticed the high speed router and yelled: "Thanks, Mum!"
Just moved out of my parent’s house in rural Missouri where we had 10mbps through DSL because there was no other option……… and now I’ve got 1gbps in St. Louis County. Literally 0.01% of what I have now
@@H8RSAPPRECIATE I have fast internet, but on hot summer days, I guess some router somewhere gets overheated and I have no internet :) So I bought a 5G phone with unlimited data to solve that. On good days I have over 1100Mb, and on bad days around 20, but at least its internet :) Works when the kids wants to play Fortnite in terms of latency, usually they get around 50ms instead of 30ms when normal internet is working.
Speaking of a certain year of September. The landline payphone infrastructure around New York City was still working even though the building crash down on top of the underground telephone facility. Unfortunately the seller infrastructure that was on top of said building was no longer functioning. Part of this is due to the well-thought-out technology of POTS and part of this was the cold war mentality. But like most things that are old and abandoned they usually still working if they're not messed with, they just need somebody knowledgeable to use it.
@@jaredchampagne2752 problem is a lot of carriers are dropping landlines and going to fiber which was a major issue contacting my grandmother when her power was out for a week.
This is why AOL did so well. They took all this out of the users hand and did it all for you. Everything was fairly seamless for the average person. AOL was the internet for many people back then.
In 1994 I had a hard time telling the difference between the world wide web and america online. By1995 I had the hang of it . By 1996 I was a pro . By 98 I had a state of the art hardcore pornography collection. In 1998 I was 13 years old. I am now a 39 year old adult pervert that has seen it all. (except CP) I am lucky my kinks are normal and my cock still functions normally for sex. I see the younger generations are taking viagra in their early 20s from porn induced erectile dysfunction. I watched the internet ruin men and women in different ways. Many men have dysfunctional penises from porn. Many women have ruined brains from social media (delusional expectations and self image) Heres the positive. I have exceptional memory (I remember what words looked like before I could read , I remember the moment reading *clicked* for me in 1990) Close friends and intellectuals consider me a genius because of the ludicrous amount of knowledge i have on a diverse array of topics. It makes me an excellent conversationalist and it makes me tons of money (i run a startup at night and have a excellent remote job during the day) Theres no way I could have absorbed all of this information without the internet.
AOL went down as the broadband came up. With broadband internet the AOL software was obsolete. AOL was my first contact to the internet. AOL was so slow.
In the future, archeologists will find garbage dumps with mountains of silver discs with the same inscription and wonder what these silver discs were for. To whom did they make offerings to their gods? Were these grave goods?@@IvanOoze1990
We used to have a good laugh over people on AOL. Generally (not all)...they were quite stupid and not tech savvy - you could spot them online right away.
Nowadays we see dial-up as primitive and outmoded, but the engineering that made it work in the 90s was insane. You see, phone networks were designed to transmit the human voice to human ears. The higher end of frequencies humans can hear is around 20 kHz, or 20,000 vibrations per second. But transmitting that much data is complicated, and most people’s voices don’t sound like a steam whistle, so you can cut way, way back on the frequency range without much loss of fidelity. Then, in the 90s when the internet took off and suddenly everyone wanted to send and receive megabytes of data, engineers found a way to transmit *56,000* vibrations (bits) a second reliably on these decades-old lines that were never designed for it. That deserves a lot of credit.
The nice thing about dial up was you had to connect to the internet each time you wanted on. Hearing those sounds meant you were about to enter a whole new world and the options of what to do seemed unlimited. It was a exciting. Broadband is great, but it has kind of destroyed the fun of the actual act of getting on the internet.
Just like with buying music! I miss saving up for a new tape, then running home to listen to it on my boom box. Now we have access to EVERY song EVER made, for FREE. 😢
@@arcademania7544the nostalgia is nice but I’m extremely grateful to be alive in a time when I can listen to any song I want, wherever I want, on demand. It’s so amazing it’s hard to believe it’s real
This was my world growing up, windows used to be so much fun and not being connected to the internet 24/7 was a totally different world. Great video, hope it does some numbers :)
In Norway we had to pay an arm and a leg just to the phone company for connected minutes, and the first years also to the dial up online connection. So it was more expensive than my 300Mbit fiber today.
Same, I remember my first days on the Internet playing Flash games on dial up back when I was in elementary school in the early 2000s. Just hearing that sound brings back a wave of nostalgia, what I wouldn't give to go back.
Yeah I miss the Windows programs that used to be popular before everyone had high speed Internet. MS Encarta is probably the most well-known, but there were many others. There's not really a need for that today as Wikipedia + UA-cam has everything Encarta had plus much more, but I'm still nostalgic for it.
Yeah it's weird, but makes sense. I was growing up in the tail-end of dial-up as I'm a millenial, but still had more years using broadband, cable and fiber than dial-up. A gen Z in their 20's now or earlier, grew up in a world with Cable/fiber since their childhood!
I last had a dial up connection in 2001. That's 22 years ago. Literally a generation. I've been through DOCSIS and ADSL/VDSL and now have gigabit FTTH. From 56kbps to 1Gbps Yes, it's pretty much forgotten to many people.
I am a computer engineer and I love the fact you break down what the sounds mean when dialing/connecting. You dont see that often. I used to listen to the handshake and would just hang up and reconnect if it "didnt sound right" so I knew it was a stable and fast connection. Side note, I used to use BBS all the time, in fact I still have all my old Commodore gear including my modems. I used my Commodore 64 the most with a 300 baud modem, but I also have a 1200 baud modem for the C64. I didnt use it long before moving to a 286 with a 2400 baud ISA modem, but I remember when I upgraded from 300 to 1200 and I remember it being amazing. :) I think my next modem was 14.4, then 33.6 and due to the pretty poor phone service and line quality in my area I stayed on 33.6 for a LONG time since it seemed more stable than my v92 (which I still have as well). I also remember first time I was gaming "online" with NASCAR Racing (I think it was on DOS).... with a friend who lived a few doors down. We would open the game on one system and it would be listening on its modem, then I would RUN home as fast as I could to dial his house so the two computers would connect and we would race 'online'. It was completely impractical, but we were amazed we could do it at all. Great video, brings back a lot of memories....
@@MayaSalila I was pretty young myself back then -- when I was using dial up I was the same way where I mostly just knew what sounded good and bad -- I did know a few the the patterns like the handshake, roughly what speed it chose and the last few seconds before the speaker muted you could tell if it was wrong... or if you heard it handshake or negotiate too long, that was a sign too. It also helped my father was very knowledgeable and worked in the tech industry so I had access to information and tools like a scope. It wasnt until later in life when I went to school for electrical engineering and ended up becoming a systems engineer in IT did I actually really understand what I was listening to.
@@trssho91 hi man, I used dial-up over 2008, and like you, after a time, I reconnect too if the "didnt sound right", in that time, I did don't know it was a handshake protocol, but I was able to recognize the sound pattern of a "non stable" to a "good conection" sound. Today i'm graduating on networks, and i'm loving to know about these details.
My mother and I are still not on great terms because of how much we fought over the phone line when I was a teen. It got ugly for real, I had a system where I would disconnect as soon as I heard her going for the phone, she would get absolutely livid if she discovered that I'd been online and her girlfriends couldn't call her. We almost got into physical fights a few times, and we're still both bitter about it 20 years later. It's kind of incredible how the state of technology at a point in time could literally split up a family. If she'd had me a few years later, we would have had DSL and there would have been no issue at all.
@@el-maiki Well we're not actively bitter but whenever it's brought up she still gets upset about it and tells me how much I disrupted her life etc. Which is not entirely untrue, but I also needed to be online for a portion of the day. I tried to get my work done at night as to not disrupt her calls, but then she got mad at me for not going to bed on time, so I couldn't win haha.
Super cool! I heard it for so many years! I slowed down the video to half speed so I could watch it all. I know those tones so well, never knew what they were doing. Amazing tech!
There are still rural parts of the US where the only options for internet are 56K dialup or satellite. My dad had 56K until 2011 when a Verizon tower was built close enough for him to get a 3G/4G modem.
Viasat/Hughesnet sucks but Starlink is actually really good, I've seen speeds of up to 200mbps on it and you can actually game online with it (I get pings between 50-100ms with it)
- I'm 56 seconds in, and You've answered SO many questions I've had since my first successful connection in 1997... Thank you. I heard it SO many times, from so many different modems... I intuitively knew many of the steps. Like learning a foreign language by exposure. You can literally hear them talk... But watching this at x0.25 speed is SO elucidating!
The flooded back so many memories of being in my late teens, early 20s between 1997 and 2002. I saw ICQ on there, I had that. Hearing those noises is so nostalgic.
Major props for doing the Dial-up sound analysis that accurately, I was able to put the video to 0.25 and finally understand what all those "random" sounds were for back then.
@gmarchenko good to hear I wasn't the only one that could do that. I called so many bbs's and later dial up isps from 1993 to 2000 and got pretty accurate at it.
I thought the same. As someone who used dial up every day growing up I noticed that it oddly always sounded the same when connecting correctly. Now older and much more I.T. savvy this was amazing to see and understand. Great Post.
Cool vid! Make sure you don't leave that cable outside for too long, it isn't an outdoor rated jacket. The sun and elements will break down the jacket, and remember that shock? That can also mean a fire if you let the jacket get too damaged causing exposed wires. You can purchase outdoor rated cat6 and use the wires inside (which are identical) to hook this up exactly the same way, just tie the old line to the new cable and pull it until the new cable comes thru the path you used. You would have to buy a crimper and some RJ11 (4-pin) mod ends for the phone jack part at the modem though. Be safe, and thanks for the awesome content!
Great video! I remember being very excited for 56K and upgraded from 28.8. I never could quite get beyond the 46Kbps mark reliably but was still a nice speed boost. I seem to recall forcing it to connect at a slightly slower speed for a more reliable connection and smoother Quake multiplayer experience 🙂
I do have a little nostalgia for dialup but truth be told from about 1996 onwards when I feel I have the best memories of computers, the early internet etc. I know I hated it and I was taking extraordinary measures to mitigate the awfulness of dialup internet. I was bonding two modems as soon as Windows 98 released with that feature! Many people also got rid of it in favour of ISDN in the mid-late 90s since that became cheap enough for home use, it offered latency very similar to broadband internet but only 128kbps. Still a massive improvement! I finally got to get rid of it by 1999 for cable which finally launched in my area, still in this golden era so... a lot of good memories with early broadband. Dialup does have its nostalgia factor but most of us just wanted rid of it, we knew how inadequate it was.
I contracted for our telco from late '06 to '21. I became really interested in the history and evolution of the phone system. Little did I know back in the 90s that I'd be working on those same old crusty lines for 15 years. These companies have been limping this junk along with bandaid fixes since long before I started. I quit and moved over to contract for the cable co, and although their plant is not in the greatest shape either, it's still much simpler splitting a giant coax many times vs dedicated pairs from the CO to a customer. The Telco had been on a big push to get fiber overlays done, but they abruptly stopped a month or two ago. Pretty sure it's cuz their either blew the budget (not like they can't afford to keep going, it's probably to appease shareholders or whatever)...or cuz the regulator is forcing them to open their fiber network to third party providers. Anyways enough rambling.
I had dialup from roughly 1995-2006 because we lived far enough in the country that there weren't even any DSL circuits close. The very first thing I purchased after getting my first job was a 3G cellular hotspot modem, and having 500kbps was like a miracle to me at the time lol. I could actually watch a youtube video without it buffering and without having to preload for an eternity, or a game that would have taken me nearly 10 days to download I could now do in only 1! And nowadays I've been so long spoiled by fiber optic and blazing fast 5G cellular as well as 802.11 wireless that I take it for granted I can download anything from my Steam library in minutes at most or stream @4k what ever kind of content I want to anywhere I want with minimal difficulty or latency.
@@newtonbomb I have been living trough the same stuff, and yesterday I finally got fiber internet at my island location. I really enjoy the latency and great speeds. Dont want to go back to dial up like in 1997 :)
I had some weird shit with my modem where I would have to start a very slow FTP transfer in the background because if the modem stopped transmitting data it would take forever to start sending again. But if I kept a very slow FTP going in the background just constantly uploading a file, it would work flawlessly. Went on for that for a year before I could afford a new modem.
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bro that realtime explanation of what the sounds mean is so useful, back when I was in college (2 years ago) I did an entire essay and presentation on the evolution of dialup and how it works and having those realtime explanations would've probably given me the extra few marks I needed for full credit
The first part was such a class about the modems and digital communication! 👏 And the whole work with cable and telephone wires, also the attempts to connect on Windows, made it a cool, nostalgic venture! Thank you for sharing (I laughed with your laught) 😂 👍
I used to shotgun modems back in the day. Going from a 14.4 to 28.8 then a 56k was a dream for me in my younger years. This is an amazing video thank you for making it!.
Man, this was a hell of a nostalgia trip! Having your home computer connect to the Internet for the very first time in 1999 was a significant turning point in my life. Like you, I like tinkering with old computer technology, but in my case, it was with old PowerPC Macs because it was something I never experienced as a kid. You got my sub for sure!
They glossed over the best part of V.44. Compression! It seemed variable anywhere from 56k to "256k" depending on date type. Then server-side compression became a thing in combination and it felt like 56k dialup was just as fast as ISDN and budget DSL except for bulk file transfers or video. Most notably, forums such as Anandtech and others loaded as if you were on DSL/Cable at the time. No lag whatsover.
Wow, I didn't know it got that good! I just missed those 'wonders'. My last dialup connection was a 56k modem which wasn't a very good one. My 33.6k seemed as good most of the time and a bit more reliable. Local ISP's mustn't have been supporting compression either. Then around 2000 I moved onto cable and DSL.
Well im a kid and i want to experience the struggle, problemi Is that i dont have a 1995 or 1998 computer with win 95 or 98, so im gonna have to find a way to purchase that, including america online, AND a 90s phone since im in italy
I remember those days of your connection being messed up when someone picked up the phone while data was flowing. Those were magical times. I attended University until 1998 and on Campus in the dorms I was spoiled with 100Mbit ethernet and unlimited data. At home it was dial up until the early 2000's when I jumped onto Comcast (another name back then). We take for granted being able to download an entire DVD in minutes nowadays. Really cool video.
@@boydpukalo8980 oh lmao. Got it. But nobody really downloads DVD iso files unless its a video game. Movies are downloaded as rips. If you want a PS2 game yeah I get it.
Same. I never lived in an area where I could get 56K speeds on dial-up. I'd always max out at 28.8 or 33.6 if I was very lucky. A lot of times it was 26.4 kbps. It was common to get booted offline randomly. Websites ran okay on dial-up until about 2000 or 2001 and after that, it became excrutiatingly slow as websites became more complex and graphically-intensive. I do not miss dial-up Internet.
@@bchristian85 I feel you. My town has always been about a decade behind the times, despite a healthy population of ~12k and just 5-10 miles from a much bigger city. Our phone lines were crap and DSL/Cable wasn't available at all until the mid 2000s. We could get 56k-ish on a dry, clear day, but that was rare.
300 baud dialup was still used into the 2000s and maybe even 2010s -- but not for the Internet or even BBSes. Back when PIN pads still needed a phone line, they dialled up to the bank or card processor or whatever at 300 baud, for two reasons. First, the amount of data being exchanged was tiny, and second, the initial handshake for, say, V.90 can take upwards of 30 seconds to complete so you can send and receive data, which is a ridiculously long time to make customers wait.
@@jamieschnaitter6210 That is correct. 1200 baud did not require any training and was a fixed modulation. So connect speed was less then a second. It is still used today by credit card machines for places that have no DSL or other internet access.
Love the sounds of dial-up! I started using dial-up internet in late '92.. I think we had a 14.4k modem, skipped 28.8 and went straight to 33.6 in 1997, made the upgrade to 56k in 1998, then got Microwave Internet in 2000 (which used a dial-up modem to initiate the connection, and was used for upstream traffic then a external roof mounted Microwave Antenna to pull through data up to 300Mbps.. (during cloudy and wet weather though connection was patchy).. fortunately I skipped ISDN and upgraded straight away to DSL when it became available. It started off as 256kbps then 512kbps (a far cry to what I used to get when I had Microwave!) Eventually got 1.5Mbps DSL (which at the time was not available to residential customers) so I used as a business plan, but in 2003, this cost around $149 per month. and only came with a 3GB monthly allowance!
Very cool. Lots of nostalgia in this video for me - we don't know how lucky we are these days where everything technology "just works". Kudos to you for having the patience to work through that.
dial up is still very much a thing in areas where broad band isn't available, such as the country side, remote areas and developing areas. great video!
That detailed breakdown in the beginning, of the communication between the client and the dial-up server, was AWESOME! I work as an IT tech, and appreciate the little details and how things work/communicate.
Had a good giggle, taking me right back 20 years! I forgot that I used to hold my breath when listening to the dial up tones, hoping that I got a connection. My ISP was sometimes at capacity and would give me the busy signal until someone logged off😂 I had modem set to redial every 60 seconds!
Nice vid! I had to use dial-up in 2011 because that was all my family could afford living in the middle of nowhere. It didn't handle video playback too well but i was able to play RuneScape on it without much issue (updates did take a bit though).
Oh my god man, I live for the nostalgia and your video just brought back so many good memories. It made me shed a tear. I remembered my young self when I fell in love with computers for the first time and how I always spent sleepless nights trying to learn everything about it.. These dial up and windows startup sounds defined my future and destiny. Thank you man, I wish I could travel back in time and enjoy every tiny bit of this for the first time over and over again.. I wish I never wished to grow up so quickly.. Life wasn’t so nice to us..
On a technical note, V.92 does allow for faster upload speeds (up to 40K if my memory serves) since it can allow for your own modem to send PCM encoding instead of just the older V.34 TCM encoding, but download speeds didn't change.
My parents first got internet in 1993 when I was 6. We had 14.4 then 28.8k. Soon after we got 56K in 1998. I still remember going with my mom to Best Buy to buy the new 56k V.90 hardware. I was so excited and thought it was so fast! I also remember seeing a commercial about how much better 56k was vs 36.6k.
firstly: amazing music taste with the vector graphics track!! works so well for this stuff secondly: this is so cool, being fully equipped for the authentic experience is totally worth it imo!
That dial up sound is what's missing from today's internet. Back then when you heard that sound, you knew you were about to go somewhere and connect with the world...Now a days: it's just always there, you never leave it.
Best time ever! Every time I dialed in, I felt like a sailor wanting to discover a new continent. Thanks for the great video and best regards from Germany!
Love that you have the glove still on inside after the work outside, really gives that manic energy hackerman vibes. Great video (and music selection), thanks!
This was my internet connection back in the day and what let me to discover the world of Napster. Downloading a song took forever but once you did, man was it satisfying!
I used to run a BBS (Telegard) with over 500 users and I used to be able to list all the modem training stages like you illustrated here. Great job! I was fascinated with dialup since my neighbor showed me my first 150 baud modem in 1982 v.92bis was the ultimate for me p.s. 5:11 NID not NIC ;) understandable since NIC is a more common acronym these days.
I truly love this video. I was born in 1986 and this is exactly what I went thru. We are now responsible for explaining how the internet surfing is a thing.
I remember thinking a 56kbs modem was superfast, but going to 56kbs from 14kbs or even 28kbs did feel like a huge speed boost and at the time felt so high tech and cutting edge which i guess it felt that way cause it was but still it's crazy looking back and feeling the nostalgia every time a modem is connecting to dial just makes you feel something. Long live the 90s and AOL chat rooms and you got mail
What a Blast from the Past!! I love it. Thank you for the memories. Between dial up, and late nights studying while listening to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, and spooky shows and freaky websites, those were some great times.
I've never much cared to know about this kind of stuff, but man this was the most entertaining and nerdy thing ive ever been so interested in watching. You got skills and I learned a bunch
Wow x 1000000! I thought hospitals and insurance companies still using fax in 2023 were amazing. This is AWESOME. Thanks for the coolest trip to the past. Keep it up!
Hello, IT guy here. Love your video, very interesting. Small piece of advice, though, I wouldn't cut that cable down to length. We always advise keeping bundled wire somewhere along the line, so if there's damage to the ends, you can re-end the the cable and not risk not being able to reconnect the whole shebang.
You got a belly laugh out of me at 11:40. Ah the memories of button-mashing in Windows 95... "Please go..." Never really understood why TCP/IP wasn't installed by default but IPX/SPX was! And I was a NetWare guy back it the day!
Dial Up is still used a ton in the US by some rural homeowners and farmers. Places that don’t even seem that rural have it too. For instance, I have a buddy who lives in not rural, but country adjacent Ohio who just got dial up last year 😂
@mrbackup993 Probably can't get anything else. I live in a "rural" area, with a mall 10 minutes down the road and fiber lines half a mile from my little neighborhood. The ISP (midco) won't run fiber down our road for whatever reason. Dial up was the only internet I could get, up until last year when tmobile finally said 5g home internet was available.
Thank you for leaving the driver installation in your video smashing “Yes” over and over and even that annoying PTSD generating “Ding-fail” noise! That gave me so many memories back!!!
Awesome video! when ever you cut the cable you should make a "O" at the point of entry and then run the cable up and through the hole so that you have a drip loop created for rain water to flow downward away from the entry hole and you also have "extra" wire in a service loop for any future repairs without having to re run a cable from it now being to short if it gets chewed ect.
I SysOp'ed a couple BBS in Denver back in the early 90s on a 2400baud, upgraded to a 9600,, then a 28.8, and to a 56k. The memories this brings back! Thanks.
Brought back awesome memories.started on a ti 99 4a at 300 baud, moved up to an apple ii+ at 1200 and then an apple iie in 14.4. From then it was on various ibm pc's and eventually managed a lotus notes email server to a rack of 33.6 modems before upgrading to 56. I remember setting up an isdn 128 connection for a boss at his house and going whoa! lol. I miss the simplicity. I even memorized every dialup prefix in the Los Angeles area to figure out which were toll free and which to avoid so my parents wouldn’t ground me.
Nice! Some of those handshakes sounded like they were struggling a bit and it could be due to crosswalk. It looks like you ran a long piece of flat line cord out to the interface which can pick up interference and crosstalk. You should probably use some twisted pair wires, either telephone station wire or even cat 3/5 cable to avoid interference on the line. On the plus now any phone jack in the house will have a landline/dialup on it. If there was already a phone jack in the kitchen you can also just plug the cable modem into it directly
It's because his landline actually *is* using VoIP. VoIP introduces latency, that's why the handshake sounds so stretched out. There aren't any real landlines left nowadays. It's all VoIP, it gets converted either in your modem, in the telco cabinet on the street or at the central office.
@@kpanic23Yeah when he said it's not VoIP I kinda chuckled. It's not VoIP on the public internet, but it still uses tech like SIP. I think the cable co that I contract for changed from SIP to NCS on DOCSIS connections. I'm not too familiar with it, as I've only been on the cable side for ~3 yrs vs 15 on the Telco side. Our Telco still uses a along voice for copper customers in the end offices, but of course the backhaul beyond the Nortel switches has been fiber for decades. Anyway, this stuff is a real throwback. My dad's union paid for a computer and dedicated "fax" line in the early 90s. I think the first standard I was accessing BBSes with was 2400 baud. I wish I'd learned more networking stuff or even coding back then. My life would probably be very different now.
@@kpanic23here in the uk alot of us on an old school copper line still. Unfortunately its being fazed out for voip which is cutting off the elderly who dont want/have broadband. Also the problem if the power is out the phone is out.
@@cifeyMy wife called some business the other day and while she was waiting on hold, she got disconnected. She told me that just before she got disconnected, she could hear other people's conversations! I think this was actually a pharmacy - could there be liability here for privacy violations? I wonder...
I used point-to-point dial-up lines to connect computers in the 80s. This was not the internet, but data transmission between two minicomputers (not PCs). It was at speeds as low as 2400 baud, though most was at 9600. The first internet connect I used was a 128kbit ISDN dial-up. When the line dropped, I had to restart the modem, which automatically triggered the dial-up connection. The next generation was leased lines at 1.2mbit, much like DSL, but capable of being subdivided into data and multiple voice lines on the same circuit.
I grew up in rural Oklahoma. We had dial-up until like 2007 as my dad refused to pay for the new "broadband". When I was 14(2005), I worked for a carpenter all summer to save up for a Dell XPS with a Pentium D processor and a Nvidia 6800 xt, to replace our windows 98 Pentium 2 computer. I'd play Halo CE with a constant 350 ms latency. I learned how to aim ahead of people so I could actually hit them. It was wild times.
Thanks for taking the time, very nostalgic. I had flashbacks of asking my mom if I could go online after school (since it was going to take over the phone line and no one would be able to call in or out. That RCE by Dj Pwndu, fuego!
I think Windows 11 does still support dial up (or at least Microsoft didn’t remove the settings page for dial up) As to if dial up will work for initial setup though, I’m not sure
Wow, havent heard that dialup noise for real in ALOT of years. I'm 58 so I've using computers and modems since the DOS days, I even wrote and operated a search program that would dial a number range and log dialup connections for further checks later. Those were the days.
Nice! My setup works on VoIP, but I've got a few BBS users using that. Pretty tough as any internet usage can make the connection drop, but locally works perfect. P.S. Nice Astolfo figurine!
I remember the internet was so much more useful place to get info back in the dialup days. Sure it was all in text, but it also wasnt always just a giant sales pitch. Nor did you have to find ways out of echo chambers
First time watching one of your videos, amazing work. That dial-up infographic was 👌 and your content was both fun and informative. A new LGR in the making, keep it up!
You dialed up in 2023 causing the world beneath your feet to shake, imagine the mainframes you just spun up with this action. Long Wire transmission towers broadcasting for the first time in decades, computers at NASA turning on, a random demodulator blinking and screaming in some dudes office at Comcast
crossbar telephone swiches clicking and clacking in the distance
Some people in rural areas still use it.
Activating Nuclear Missiles....
The Feds will come knocking soon. lol
😂😂
Actually understanding what the noises are is a gift I wasn't expecting today
0:35 modem sound talk to computer
I know, right!
So you dont understand any of the dialogs of r2d2? dude you are missing out
Yes this was more interesting than I didn't realise I needed to know!
Cars can tell you whats wrong too, if you know the sounds.
That dial up intro showing the two modems (literally) talking was the best I’ve ever seen. 5 stars.
Remember that Simpson episode where Comicbook Guy downloads a naked Captain Janeway using dial up? and remember in Futurama the Professor tells everybody Get Off the internet now I need to use the phone and u have a delivery to make if its the year3000 u think they wouldnt have that problem
That's a fact, I loved that part too
WHERE"S MY "YOU"VE GOT MAIL"
GOD DAM IT !
THATS HOW I KNOW I'VE MADE IT IN
Yet another person that doesn't know how to use the word LITERALLY.. 😔
8:00 Someone at the other end just woke up in server room and yelled "No f**ng way"...
"...been dusting off that crap 20 years, waiting for a call!"
not only did you manage to get dial up in 2023, but you caused an entire earthquake from the sheer might of your technical prowess
glazing
@@floridakid7975joking*
I love old computers as well and I love old windows computers because looking at my few collections of my previous ones is like a Windows museum. Windows is still the best PC I ever have in my life!
I love the fact that, as a kid, while I couldn't tell what exactly the tones where doing, I could actually tell if it was going to be a garbage connection or not. and being older and understanding what the tones are for, it makes a lot more sense.
Same... was similar to the "Loading up a game from 3.5" disks on an Amiga". You could tell immediately if it was going to botch the loading process by just listening when it suddenly sounded differently than usual :D
Hahah yea I remember that
Yep. Like when this guy was connecting to NetZero, you could tell it was negotiating a lower baud rate because of that "hesitancy" in the middle fo the connection.
Whereas if you connect to BBSes and other places that have reliable 56k or higher lines, sometimes the negotiation was near INSTANT - like 3-4 seconds INSTANT.
@@CakePrincessCelestia And having to have a floppy disk in the Amiga floppy drive because of the constant CLICK every 15 whatever seconds looking for a disk.
omg yes you could tell by the tone lol
I once made a "dial-up" bridge on a Linux box to get my Dreamcast online. Just a phone cable between the console and an external modem, no switching or dial tone happening. Let the Dreamcast dial any random number, and then on the Linux side manually sent ATA to the modem to get the handshake stuff started.
basically nowadays' dreampi
I tried doing that with a Windows 98 VM using ancient PC-DC tutorials, it didn't go well for me
There's no reason to put the word dial up in quotes. You look stupid
@@avegee24tv but now that flycast can emulate online features kinda not nedded anymore.
@@MilesPrower1992 use terminal in windows, handwritten handshakes etc
I was an Alpha tester for the ARPANET (now called Internet) in 1969. They brought a Telex machine to our High school here in Vancouver,BC & hooked it up to an acoustic modem & a telephone handset & we sent an "E-mail" to SFU. I still get my Internet through a land-line phone on my desktop PC at home. Imagine the Internet is 54 ys old.
So you worked with Al Gore? Impressive!
Are you still using DSL? Why? Isn't any other connection available in your area?
DSL is all that's available in my area.@@RockinEnabled
How old are you?
73 @@riyadali4082
Retired Telecom Engineer here. The traditional landlines we called POTS Lines. "Plain Old Telephone Service." Twisted copper pair- Two wires. With built in 90v DC electric which was primarily there for the ringer. If your power went out in the house, the telephone would still work, as the phone company provided that 90v of power.
when you thought your internet was slow dial up is way slower then your slow ass broad band by far
They need to mandate that telephone companies are required to provide copper landline service since we recently had two nationwide cell phone outages and copper is the best solution because it doesn’t rely on power at your house. They should also mandate that telephone company that does fiber Internet cannot offer phone service through the Internet and that it has to be over copper. I have written to my local elected officials and the president to try to pass a bill or law that requires copper landline.
Our telephone company in Manila recently decided to retire all their copper POTS lines because they "couldn't fix the old infrastructure anymore." They settled on putting "everybody" on VoIP, on top of all the early customers who subscribed to their Fibre at Home service. Now they're running-up against the problem of not having enough line ports for all their utility boxes outside, and the internet service has become unreliable from all the messing-around they've been doing. Now I have to find a battery back-up for our fibre modems because my old man still expects phone service even when the power is out.
@@Ryan_Christopher Where you at brutha? I'm in Makati. Let me know if you ever want to meet up. Retired here from USA.
@@Ryan_Christopher Cool man. I live in Manila too. Makati. Retired here.
Golden ages of the internet was in the late 90's and mid to late 00's. Today it's mostly subscriptions, ads and dead links - a shell of it's former self.
I remember downloading Quake mods from BluesNews and getting mp3's from Limewire
8:00 imagine you get a phone call and hear that when you pick up🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My family had dial-up until 2009, as my father refused to pay for high speed until I hit high school. I have fond memories of trying desperately to play Club Penguin with my friends over a dial-up connection. Good times, lol
That’s interesting I know some parts or areas still use dial up because they can’t afford or they can’t get cable internet in their area. Some switch to 5G or stay with dial up because that’s all they have
@@H8RSAPPRECIATE That is so strange, I can't imagine that. I've been growing up with Dial-Up and AOL Mail service until 2008 was around, but the fact some areas still using it while 5G comes along sounds kinda insane tbh
Yep, I found Webkinz usually didn't work but Club Penguin did (for the most part). We only got high speed because we were getting overage charges for using the internet too much. Mum surprised me by having it hooked up when I was in school. So when I came home and asked "Mum may I use the internet?" she responded that I could. I initially, was scared when I double clicked on the browser and wasn't asked to dial-in that it had been connected for ages without anyone knowing. Then I noticed the high speed router and yelled: "Thanks, Mum!"
Just moved out of my parent’s house in rural Missouri where we had 10mbps through DSL because there was no other option……… and now I’ve got 1gbps in St. Louis County. Literally 0.01% of what I have now
@@H8RSAPPRECIATE I have fast internet, but on hot summer days, I guess some router somewhere gets overheated and I have no internet :) So I bought a 5G phone with unlimited data to solve that. On good days I have over 1100Mb, and on bad days around 20, but at least its internet :) Works when the kids wants to play Fortnite in terms of latency, usually they get around 50ms instead of 30ms when normal internet is working.
ok, just straight off the bat... major respect for synchronizing all the tones in the dial-up "sound" sample with their labels, that was cool! :)
Didn't the very best of the best quality connections have like one or two loud PINGs at the end of the routine?
it put a smile on my face and reminded using dialup as a kid...
The fact that dial up is still functional in the 2020s is honestly crazy
As long as land lines still are on poles and house drops, it’ll never go away. People all around the world still use it..
Speaking of a certain year of September. The landline payphone infrastructure around New York City was still working even though the building crash down on top of the underground telephone facility. Unfortunately the seller infrastructure that was on top of said building was no longer functioning. Part of this is due to the well-thought-out technology of POTS and part of this was the cold war mentality. But like most things that are old and abandoned they usually still working if they're not messed with, they just need somebody knowledgeable to use it.
facsimile machines still use V.17/V.34
@@jaredchampagne2752 problem is a lot of carriers are dropping landlines and going to fiber which was a major issue contacting my grandmother when her power was out for a week.
In sweden they have removed almost all phone lines meaning you cant get dial-up or adsl/vdsl anymore :(
This is why AOL did so well. They took all this out of the users hand and did it all for you. Everything was fairly seamless for the average person. AOL was the internet for many people back then.
In 1994 I had a hard time telling the difference between the world wide web and america online. By1995 I had the hang of it . By 1996 I was a pro . By 98 I had a state of the art hardcore pornography collection. In 1998 I was 13 years old. I am now a 39 year old adult pervert that has seen it all. (except CP) I am lucky my kinks are normal and my cock still functions normally for sex. I see the younger generations are taking viagra in their early 20s from porn induced erectile dysfunction. I watched the internet ruin men and women in different ways. Many men have dysfunctional penises from porn. Many women have ruined brains from social media (delusional expectations and self image)
Heres the positive. I have exceptional memory (I remember what words looked like before I could read , I remember the moment reading *clicked* for me in 1990) Close friends and intellectuals consider me a genius because of the ludicrous amount of knowledge i have on a diverse array of topics. It makes me an excellent conversationalist and it makes me tons of money (i run a startup at night and have a excellent remote job during the day) Theres no way I could have absorbed all of this information without the internet.
the masses of free AOL cds in the walkin areas of walmarts, where kids would steal them and throw them as frisbies
AOL went down as the broadband came up. With broadband internet the AOL software was obsolete. AOL was my first contact to the internet. AOL was so slow.
In the future, archeologists will find garbage dumps with mountains of silver discs with the same inscription and wonder what these silver discs were for. To whom did they make offerings to their gods? Were these grave goods?@@IvanOoze1990
We used to have a good laugh over people on AOL. Generally (not all)...they were quite stupid and not tech savvy - you could spot them online right away.
Nowadays we see dial-up as primitive and outmoded, but the engineering that made it work in the 90s was insane.
You see, phone networks were designed to transmit the human voice to human ears. The higher end of frequencies humans can hear is around 20 kHz, or 20,000 vibrations per second. But transmitting that much data is complicated, and most people’s voices don’t sound like a steam whistle, so you can cut way, way back on the frequency range without much loss of fidelity.
Then, in the 90s when the internet took off and suddenly everyone wanted to send and receive megabytes of data, engineers found a way to transmit *56,000* vibrations (bits) a second reliably on these decades-old lines that were never designed for it. That deserves a lot of credit.
The nice thing about dial up was you had to connect to the internet each time you wanted on. Hearing those sounds meant you were about to enter a whole new world and the options of what to do seemed unlimited. It was a exciting. Broadband is great, but it has kind of destroyed the fun of the actual act of getting on the internet.
Downloading stuff was a must for me when I was online on dial-up. I liked the feeling of taking something "home" from a marketplace of information.
So so true. All of this.
Just like with buying music! I miss saving up for a new tape, then running home to listen to it on my boom box. Now we have access to EVERY song EVER made, for FREE. 😢
Welcome to the world of insomnia!
@@arcademania7544the nostalgia is nice but I’m extremely grateful to be alive in a time when I can listen to any song I want, wherever I want, on demand. It’s so amazing it’s hard to believe it’s real
This was my world growing up, windows used to be so much fun and not being connected to the internet 24/7 was a totally different world. Great video, hope it does some numbers :)
In Norway we had to pay an arm and a leg just to the phone company for connected minutes, and the first years also to the dial up online connection. So it was more expensive than my 300Mbit fiber today.
Same, I remember my first days on the Internet playing Flash games on dial up back when I was in elementary school in the early 2000s. Just hearing that sound brings back a wave of nostalgia, what I wouldn't give to go back.
Yeah I miss the Windows programs that used to be popular before everyone had high speed Internet. MS Encarta is probably the most well-known, but there were many others. There's not really a need for that today as Wikipedia + UA-cam has everything Encarta had plus much more, but I'm still nostalgic for it.
56K? Damn son, I started out at 1200 baud.
@@jamegumb7298 1200 baud? Damn son, I started out with smoke signals.
I never thought I’d see the day that Dial-Up has to be explained like it’s some “long forgotten technology” omg
so the concept of aging escapes you, its fine dont worry
@@harmonyinchaos6381 *laughs* no it doesn’t escape me~ I’m just a cynical person :p
Yeah it's weird, but makes sense. I was growing up in the tail-end of dial-up as I'm a millenial, but still had more years using broadband, cable and fiber than dial-up. A gen Z in their 20's now or earlier, grew up in a world with Cable/fiber since their childhood!
Doesn't everybodies smart phone makes these noises when they connect online? Mine does
I last had a dial up connection in 2001. That's 22 years ago. Literally a generation. I've been through DOCSIS and ADSL/VDSL and now have gigabit FTTH. From 56kbps to 1Gbps Yes, it's pretty much forgotten to many people.
I am a computer engineer and I love the fact you break down what the sounds mean when dialing/connecting. You dont see that often. I used to listen to the handshake and would just hang up and reconnect if it "didnt sound right" so I knew it was a stable and fast connection. Side note, I used to use BBS all the time, in fact I still have all my old Commodore gear including my modems. I used my Commodore 64 the most with a 300 baud modem, but I also have a 1200 baud modem for the C64. I didnt use it long before moving to a 286 with a 2400 baud ISA modem, but I remember when I upgraded from 300 to 1200 and I remember it being amazing. :) I think my next modem was 14.4, then 33.6 and due to the pretty poor phone service and line quality in my area I stayed on 33.6 for a LONG time since it seemed more stable than my v92 (which I still have as well). I also remember first time I was gaming "online" with NASCAR Racing (I think it was on DOS).... with a friend who lived a few doors down. We would open the game on one system and it would be listening on its modem, then I would RUN home as fast as I could to dial his house so the two computers would connect and we would race 'online'. It was completely impractical, but we were amazed we could do it at all. Great video, brings back a lot of memories....
Gosh.. I was 17 at the time.. i had no expertise but i learnt to differentiate between a healthy sounding "handshake" and an unhealthy one.
@@MayaSalila I was pretty young myself back then -- when I was using dial up I was the same way where I mostly just knew what sounded good and bad -- I did know a few the the patterns like the handshake, roughly what speed it chose and the last few seconds before the speaker muted you could tell if it was wrong... or if you heard it handshake or negotiate too long, that was a sign too. It also helped my father was very knowledgeable and worked in the tech industry so I had access to information and tools like a scope. It wasnt until later in life when I went to school for electrical engineering and ended up becoming a systems engineer in IT did I actually really understand what I was listening to.
@@trssho91 hi man, I used dial-up over 2008, and like you, after a time, I reconnect too if the "didnt sound right", in that time, I did don't know it was a handshake protocol, but I was able to recognize the sound pattern of a "non stable" to a "good conection" sound. Today i'm graduating on networks, and i'm loving to know about these details.
Haha, so in order to race in-game, you had to first race IRL! Great job putting together that means of direct connection! :D
My mother and I are still not on great terms because of how much we fought over the phone line when I was a teen. It got ugly for real, I had a system where I would disconnect as soon as I heard her going for the phone, she would get absolutely livid if she discovered that I'd been online and her girlfriends couldn't call her. We almost got into physical fights a few times, and we're still both bitter about it 20 years later. It's kind of incredible how the state of technology at a point in time could literally split up a family. If she'd had me a few years later, we would have had DSL and there would have been no issue at all.
She didn't need to talk to them anyway all they do is gossip!
Thank God you guys never played Monopoly in your house.
Sounds like you have a bigger problem here than just dial up internet. Being bitter about this two decades later is crazy
@@el-maiki Well we're not actively bitter but whenever it's brought up she still gets upset about it and tells me how much I disrupted her life etc. Which is not entirely untrue, but I also needed to be online for a portion of the day. I tried to get my work done at night as to not disrupt her calls, but then she got mad at me for not going to bed on time, so I couldn't win haha.
yall couldnt talk it out? set up a schedule, discuss if you need to use the phone or be online? damn 😭
This was pretty cool @ 0:35; I haven't seen anyone breakdown the whole handshake process like that 😎
Super cool! I heard it for so many years! I slowed down the video to half speed so I could watch it all. I know those tones so well, never knew what they were doing. Amazing tech!
I have, just look for "V.90 Dial-up Modem Handshake - Transactional Analysis" here on UA-cam, way better.
There are still rural parts of the US where the only options for internet are 56K dialup or satellite. My dad had 56K until 2011 when a Verizon tower was built close enough for him to get a 3G/4G modem.
Viasat/Hughesnet sucks but Starlink is actually really good, I've seen speeds of up to 200mbps on it and you can actually game online with it (I get pings between 50-100ms with it)
VW Bug
Starlink or US Robotics, not any cellphone service ?
Where is that ???
@@lucasremall over the Dakota's, Montana and nevada
@@lucasrem South eastern Virginia. I know people who have been on the wait list for StarLink for 2+ years. There are cellular service dead zones, too.
I live in Buffalo but mom lives deep in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado and finally got Starlink… video chats with her STILL lag.
- I'm 56 seconds in, and You've answered SO many questions I've had since my first successful connection in 1997... Thank you.
I heard it SO many times, from so many different modems... I intuitively knew many of the steps. Like learning a foreign language by exposure. You can literally hear them talk... But watching this at x0.25 speed is SO elucidating!
The flooded back so many memories of being in my late teens, early 20s between 1997 and 2002. I saw ICQ on there, I had that. Hearing those noises is so nostalgic.
Major props for doing the Dial-up sound analysis that accurately, I was able to put the video to 0.25 and finally understand what all those "random" sounds were for back then.
I could predict the result speed of the connection only by listening to dial-up sound
@gmarchenko good to hear I wasn't the only one that could do that. I called so many bbs's and later dial up isps from 1993 to 2000 and got pretty accurate at it.
Me too put the video at 0.25 and got know what steps are going on during handshake.
I thought the same. As someone who used dial up every day growing up I noticed that it oddly always sounded the same when connecting correctly. Now older and much more I.T. savvy this was amazing to see and understand. Great Post.
I respect moving Astolfo around so that he's in all the main computer shots.
hehe, gay
@@JacobNance-r2j:3
Astolfo 🤤
@@legendzaryj so real
astolfo
That Net Zero is even working at all absolutely blew my mind.
90 volts is shocks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cool vid! Make sure you don't leave that cable outside for too long, it isn't an outdoor rated jacket. The sun and elements will break down the jacket, and remember that shock? That can also mean a fire if you let the jacket get too damaged causing exposed wires. You can purchase outdoor rated cat6 and use the wires inside (which are identical) to hook this up exactly the same way, just tie the old line to the new cable and pull it until the new cable comes thru the path you used. You would have to buy a crimper and some RJ11 (4-pin) mod ends for the phone jack part at the modem though. Be safe, and thanks for the awesome content!
imagine getting a phone call and hearing I failed shit🤣🤣🤣
Boosting this with a reply so he sees it (in case he hasn't already fixed this issue).
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her imagine if we still had to use dial up internet how crappy the internet would be then🤪🤪
Great video! I remember being very excited for 56K and upgraded from 28.8. I never could quite get beyond the 46Kbps mark reliably but was still a nice speed boost. I seem to recall forcing it to connect at a slightly slower speed for a more reliable connection and smoother Quake multiplayer experience 🙂
I do have a little nostalgia for dialup but truth be told from about 1996 onwards when I feel I have the best memories of computers, the early internet etc. I know I hated it and I was taking extraordinary measures to mitigate the awfulness of dialup internet. I was bonding two modems as soon as Windows 98 released with that feature! Many people also got rid of it in favour of ISDN in the mid-late 90s since that became cheap enough for home use, it offered latency very similar to broadband internet but only 128kbps. Still a massive improvement!
I finally got to get rid of it by 1999 for cable which finally launched in my area, still in this golden era so... a lot of good memories with early broadband. Dialup does have its nostalgia factor but most of us just wanted rid of it, we knew how inadequate it was.
I contracted for our telco from late '06 to '21. I became really interested in the history and evolution of the phone system. Little did I know back in the 90s that I'd be working on those same old crusty lines for 15 years. These companies have been limping this junk along with bandaid fixes since long before I started.
I quit and moved over to contract for the cable co, and although their plant is not in the greatest shape either, it's still much simpler splitting a giant coax many times vs dedicated pairs from the CO to a customer.
The Telco had been on a big push to get fiber overlays done, but they abruptly stopped a month or two ago. Pretty sure it's cuz their either blew the budget (not like they can't afford to keep going, it's probably to appease shareholders or whatever)...or cuz the regulator is forcing them to open their fiber network to third party providers. Anyways enough rambling.
I had dialup from roughly 1995-2006 because we lived far enough in the country that there weren't even any DSL circuits close. The very first thing I purchased after getting my first job was a 3G cellular hotspot modem, and having 500kbps was like a miracle to me at the time lol. I could actually watch a youtube video without it buffering and without having to preload for an eternity, or a game that would have taken me nearly 10 days to download I could now do in only 1! And nowadays I've been so long spoiled by fiber optic and blazing fast 5G cellular as well as 802.11 wireless that I take it for granted I can download anything from my Steam library in minutes at most or stream @4k what ever kind of content I want to anywhere I want with minimal difficulty or latency.
@@newtonbomb I have been living trough the same stuff, and yesterday I finally got fiber internet at my island location.
I really enjoy the latency and great speeds. Dont want to go back to dial up like in 1997 :)
I had some weird shit with my modem where I would have to start a very slow FTP transfer in the background because if the modem stopped transmitting data it would take forever to start sending again. But if I kept a very slow FTP going in the background just constantly uploading a file, it would work flawlessly. Went on for that for a year before I could afford a new modem.
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The fact that you had to explain dial-up and called it retro just made me feel old. Prodigy, then AOL was my jam.
Prodigy was my first aswell.
bro that realtime explanation of what the sounds mean is so useful, back when I was in college (2 years ago) I did an entire essay and presentation on the evolution of dialup and how it works and having those realtime explanations would've probably given me the extra few marks I needed for full credit
The first part was such a class about the modems and digital communication! 👏
And the whole work with cable and telephone wires, also the attempts to connect on Windows, made it a cool, nostalgic venture!
Thank you for sharing (I laughed with your laught) 😂 👍
I used to shotgun modems back in the day. Going from a 14.4 to 28.8 then a 56k was a dream for me in my younger years. This is an amazing video thank you for making it!.
Man, this was a hell of a nostalgia trip! Having your home computer connect to the Internet for the very first time in 1999 was a significant turning point in my life.
Like you, I like tinkering with old computer technology, but in my case, it was with old PowerPC Macs because it was something I never experienced as a kid. You got my sub for sure!
1999? Lower to middle class I assume? Pretty late in the game tbh
wow amazing story i didn't grew up with that by the way im french and im 24 years old but wow :D i can feel your story @jmal
I agree, i literally got overwhelmed seeing windows 98, and some of those old games on his desktop while dialing up. My goodness!!
iMac 2000s Bondi Blue with DVD Player!
I love the beats in the background it sounds like a 90s film. So much nostalgia about this era. Top notch!
Happy someone else realized :)
Especially those house beats made with roland 909 drum sounds
Zero cool just crashed 1507 systems.
first thing I noticed lol
They glossed over the best part of V.44. Compression! It seemed variable anywhere from 56k to "256k" depending on date type. Then server-side compression became a thing in combination and it felt like 56k dialup was just as fast as ISDN and budget DSL except for bulk file transfers or video. Most notably, forums such as Anandtech and others loaded as if you were on DSL/Cable at the time. No lag whatsover.
I experienced that with a Mac and an external modem all the way up to 2004. It was fast enough for everyday surfing.
Wow, I didn't know it got that good! I just missed those 'wonders'. My last dialup connection was a 56k modem which wasn't a very good one. My 33.6k seemed as good most of the time and a bit more reliable. Local ISP's mustn't have been supporting compression either. Then around 2000 I moved onto cable and DSL.
Kids these days dont understand the struggle of trying to be on the net, and getting a phonecall that knocks ya off, then had to reconnect
Well im a kid and i want to experience the struggle, problemi Is that i dont have a 1995 or 1998 computer with win 95 or 98, so im gonna have to find a way to purchase that, including america online, AND a 90s phone since im in italy
"Mom dont pick up the phone im trying to use the internet!"
This is the type of content you would expect from a channel with 100k+ subs at least. The work put into it is incredible. Congrats!
I remember those days of your connection being messed up when someone picked up the phone while data was flowing. Those were magical times. I attended University until 1998 and on Campus in the dorms I was spoiled with 100Mbit ethernet and unlimited data. At home it was dial up until the early 2000's when I jumped onto Comcast (another name back then). We take for granted being able to download an entire DVD in minutes nowadays. Really cool video.
Shit lol. Downloading a DVD Rip file is like 700 MB. takes less than 1 minute now. Like 36 seconds lmao
I meant the full ~8 GB
@@boydpukalo8980 oh lmao. Got it. But nobody really downloads DVD iso files unless its a video game. Movies are downloaded as rips. If you want a PS2 game yeah I get it.
you mean repacks? where they are compressed into smaller data @@CovenantAgentLazarus
Are you talking about "@home"?
Of all the things I miss about the 80s & 90s, modems are not one of them (as well as early plug-n-pray technology). Still a really cool project.
Same. I never lived in an area where I could get 56K speeds on dial-up. I'd always max out at 28.8 or 33.6 if I was very lucky. A lot of times it was 26.4 kbps. It was common to get booted offline randomly. Websites ran okay on dial-up until about 2000 or 2001 and after that, it became excrutiatingly slow as websites became more complex and graphically-intensive. I do not miss dial-up Internet.
@@bchristian85 I feel you. My town has always been about a decade behind the times, despite a healthy population of ~12k and just 5-10 miles from a much bigger city. Our phone lines were crap and DSL/Cable wasn't available at all until the mid 2000s. We could get 56k-ish on a dry, clear day, but that was rare.
Agreed. This is kinda traumatic for those of us who only had dial-up for far too long. 2015 to be exact.
I remember getting AOL discs in the mail with a certain amount of free minutes to be online.
the dial up connection sound was like entering a Stargate for us at the beginning of internet era. So much memories every time I hear that sound
I graduated high school in '98 so this is pretty nostalgic for me. The first modem we had was 14k - it came with a Mac my parents bought.
Same here, had AOL from 96 to maybe 2002? We had a 28.8k and upgraded to the 56k later on
300 baud dialup was still used into the 2000s and maybe even 2010s -- but not for the Internet or even BBSes. Back when PIN pads still needed a phone line, they dialled up to the bank or card processor or whatever at 300 baud, for two reasons. First, the amount of data being exchanged was tiny, and second, the initial handshake for, say, V.90 can take upwards of 30 seconds to complete so you can send and receive data, which is a ridiculously long time to make customers wait.
It still being used as long as fax being used as its also use dialup, note that this standard is used for any data transmision over phone lines
@@ShadowriverUB Fax usually runs at a higher speed, and each different speed has its own standard.
I saw 1200 baud used a lot too because of the short handshake
Also, seems like banks had already transitioned to mobile data, some techs are even using 4G sticks on ATMs.
@@jamieschnaitter6210 That is correct. 1200 baud did not require any training and was a fixed modulation. So connect speed was less then a second. It is still used today by credit card machines for places that have no DSL or other internet access.
Aging myself, but I have been online since the late 90s and all these sounds (noises, even) were so comforting to me. Great video. Thank you!
Love the sounds of dial-up! I started using dial-up internet in late '92.. I think we had a 14.4k modem, skipped 28.8 and went straight to 33.6 in 1997, made the upgrade to 56k in 1998, then got Microwave Internet in 2000 (which used a dial-up modem to initiate the connection, and was used for upstream traffic then a external roof mounted Microwave Antenna to pull through data up to 300Mbps.. (during cloudy and wet weather though connection was patchy).. fortunately I skipped ISDN and upgraded straight away to DSL when it became available. It started off as 256kbps then 512kbps (a far cry to what I used to get when I had Microwave!) Eventually got 1.5Mbps DSL (which at the time was not available to residential customers) so I used as a business plan, but in 2003, this cost around $149 per month. and only came with a 3GB monthly allowance!
Very cool. Lots of nostalgia in this video for me - we don't know how lucky we are these days where everything technology "just works". Kudos to you for having the patience to work through that.
dial up is still very much a thing in areas where broad band isn't available, such as the country side, remote areas and developing areas. great video!
That detailed breakdown in the beginning, of the communication between the client and the dial-up server, was AWESOME! I work as an IT tech, and appreciate the little details and how things work/communicate.
who still uses dial up internet these days do you?🤣
NGL, for a small channel you're editing is killing it, especially that fully describe transmission between the computer and server... Gained a sub!
Had a good giggle, taking me right back 20 years!
I forgot that I used to hold my breath when listening to the dial up tones, hoping that I got a connection.
My ISP was sometimes at capacity and would give me the busy signal until someone logged off😂
I had modem set to redial every 60 seconds!
Nice vid! I had to use dial-up in 2011 because that was all my family could afford living in the middle of nowhere. It didn't handle video playback too well but i was able to play RuneScape on it without much issue (updates did take a bit though).
Oh my god man, I live for the nostalgia and your video just brought back so many good memories. It made me shed a tear.
I remembered my young self when I fell in love with computers for the first time and how I always spent sleepless nights trying to learn everything about it.. These dial up and windows startup sounds defined my future and destiny.
Thank you man, I wish I could travel back in time and enjoy every tiny bit of this for the first time over and over again.. I wish I never wished to grow up so quickly.. Life wasn’t so nice to us..
- So what WAS your Future and Destiny?
On a technical note, V.92 does allow for faster upload speeds (up to 40K if my memory serves) since it can allow for your own modem to send PCM encoding instead of just the older V.34 TCM encoding, but download speeds didn't change.
My parents first got internet in 1993 when I was 6. We had 14.4 then 28.8k. Soon after we got 56K in 1998. I still remember going with my mom to Best Buy to buy the new 56k V.90 hardware. I was so excited and thought it was so fast! I also remember seeing a commercial about how much better 56k was vs 36.6k.
Wow. I graduated high school in 1994 and didn’t see internet until 1997. Interesting!
You forget how difficult it was to get internet connection back in the day
firstly: amazing music taste with the vector graphics track!! works so well for this stuff
secondly: this is so cool, being fully equipped for the authentic experience is totally worth it imo!
That dial up sound is what's missing from today's internet. Back then when you heard that sound, you knew you were about to go somewhere and connect with the world...Now a days: it's just always there, you never leave it.
Best time ever! Every time I dialed in, I felt like a sailor wanting to discover a new continent. Thanks for the great video and best regards from Germany!
That was how one of our internet companies put it. "you are Columbus, this is your ship" , "now, go and explore."
the astolfo figurine really ties the whole setup together. 10/10.
this
Best girl
Underrated comment.
Gheyyyyy
I have one in another pose looking at me while I watch this video lol
Love that you have the glove still on inside after the work outside, really gives that manic energy hackerman vibes. Great video (and music selection), thanks!
I really appreciate you making this Creative Commons! Will use a snippet in an upcoming video (with credit). Thanks so much - CIndy
This was my internet connection back in the day and what let me to discover the world of Napster. Downloading a song took forever but once you did, man was it satisfying!
I used to run a BBS (Telegard) with over 500 users and I used to be able to list all the modem training stages like you illustrated here. Great job!
I was fascinated with dialup since my neighbor showed me my first 150 baud modem in 1982
v.92bis was the ultimate for me
p.s. 5:11 NID not NIC ;) understandable since NIC is a more common acronym these days.
12:22 women if you see a man making primitive ape sounds you definitely now that he is happy :) :)
I truly love this video. I was born in 1986 and this is exactly what I went thru. We are now responsible for explaining how the internet surfing is a thing.
Love that you have Age of Empires on that desktop. That was THE reason to have a PC back then, for me lol
I remember thinking a 56kbs modem was superfast, but going to 56kbs from 14kbs or even 28kbs did feel like a huge speed boost and at the time felt so high tech and cutting edge which i guess it felt that way cause it was but still it's crazy looking back and feeling the nostalgia every time a modem is connecting to dial just makes you feel something. Long live the 90s and AOL chat rooms and you got mail
What a Blast from the Past!! I love it. Thank you for the memories. Between dial up, and late nights studying while listening to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, and spooky shows and freaky websites, those were some great times.
I've never much cared to know about this kind of stuff, but man this was the most entertaining and nerdy thing ive ever been so interested in watching. You got skills and I learned a bunch
Wow x 1000000! I thought hospitals and insurance companies still using fax in 2023 were amazing. This is AWESOME. Thanks for the coolest trip to the past. Keep it up!
Sitting here, minding my own business, watching your video.
>War Ensemble BBS Appleton WI
What!? Someone in my hometown is still running a BBS? Wild.
Hello, IT guy here. Love your video, very interesting. Small piece of advice, though, I wouldn't cut that cable down to length. We always advise keeping bundled wire somewhere along the line, so if there's damage to the ends, you can re-end the the cable and not risk not being able to reconnect the whole shebang.
Okay nerd
@@InterpolBulliedMe stfu thats actually good advise
You got a belly laugh out of me at 11:40. Ah the memories of button-mashing in Windows 95... "Please go..."
Never really understood why TCP/IP wasn't installed by default but IPX/SPX was! And I was a NetWare guy back it the day!
Dial Up is still used a ton in the US by some rural homeowners and farmers. Places that don’t even seem that rural have it too. For instance, I have a buddy who lives in not rural, but country adjacent Ohio who just got dial up last year 😂
Oh wow 👌
Im quite curious, why did your friend get a dial up?
I just can’t imagine what that’s like with how internet is now.
@mrbackup993 Probably can't get anything else. I live in a "rural" area, with a mall 10 minutes down the road and fiber lines half a mile from my little neighborhood. The ISP (midco) won't run fiber down our road for whatever reason. Dial up was the only internet I could get, up until last year when tmobile finally said 5g home internet was available.
@@mrbackup993 because he finaly got a landline?
So good. Thanks for sharing. Love your set up and brings back a lot of memories!
Thank you for leaving the driver installation in your video smashing “Yes” over and over and even that annoying PTSD generating “Ding-fail” noise!
That gave me so many memories back!!!
A man of taste! Cute Astolfo figure.
Also cool video, surprising that dial up still works.
Awesome video! when ever you cut the cable you should make a "O" at the point of entry and then run the cable up and through the hole so that you have a drip loop created for rain water to flow downward away from the entry hole and you also have "extra" wire in a service loop for any future repairs without having to re run a cable from it now being to short if it gets chewed ect.
I SysOp'ed a couple BBS in Denver back in the early 90s on a 2400baud, upgraded to a 9600,, then a 28.8, and to a 56k. The memories this brings back! Thanks.
PCB?
@@surject ?? I used WWIV. Not sure what you're asking?
I started mine in the mid '80s in the UK, with 300/300 and 1200/75.
Brought back awesome memories.started on a ti 99 4a at 300 baud, moved up to an apple ii+ at 1200 and then an apple iie in 14.4. From then it was on various ibm pc's and eventually managed a lotus notes email server to a rack of 33.6 modems before upgrading to 56. I remember setting up an isdn 128 connection for a boss at his house and going whoa! lol. I miss the simplicity. I even memorized every dialup prefix in the Los Angeles area to figure out which were toll free and which to avoid so my parents wouldn’t ground me.
I started with a TI 99 4a with a sidecar RS232 card as well with 300 baud, only in Indiana. That was quite the time.
This became my top10 videos of UA-cam. Thanks dude! :D
13:18 nahhh 💀
i swear this is the only comment pointing out the date
Everything about this video just made me smile ear to ear.. I absolutely miss my childhood and this hit the spot.
Nice! Some of those handshakes sounded like they were struggling a bit and it could be due to crosswalk. It looks like you ran a long piece of flat line cord out to the interface which can pick up interference and crosstalk. You should probably use some twisted pair wires, either telephone station wire or even cat 3/5 cable to avoid interference on the line. On the plus now any phone jack in the house will have a landline/dialup on it. If there was already a phone jack in the kitchen you can also just plug the cable modem into it directly
It's because his landline actually *is* using VoIP. VoIP introduces latency, that's why the handshake sounds so stretched out. There aren't any real landlines left nowadays. It's all VoIP, it gets converted either in your modem, in the telco cabinet on the street or at the central office.
@@kpanic23Yeah when he said it's not VoIP I kinda chuckled. It's not VoIP on the public internet, but it still uses tech like SIP. I think the cable co that I contract for changed from SIP to NCS on DOCSIS connections. I'm not too familiar with it, as I've only been on the cable side for ~3 yrs vs 15 on the Telco side. Our Telco still uses a along voice for copper customers in the end offices, but of course the backhaul beyond the Nortel switches has been fiber for decades.
Anyway, this stuff is a real throwback. My dad's union paid for a computer and dedicated "fax" line in the early 90s. I think the first standard I was accessing BBSes with was 2400 baud. I wish I'd learned more networking stuff or even coding back then. My life would probably be very different now.
@@kpanic23here in the uk alot of us on an old school copper line still. Unfortunately its being fazed out for voip which is cutting off the elderly who dont want/have broadband. Also the problem if the power is out the phone is out.
I dialed in once from my room in college, and during a lightning strike I overheard some random conversation from I don't know where.
@@cifeyMy wife called some business the other day and while she was waiting on hold, she got disconnected. She told me that just before she got disconnected, she could hear other people's conversations! I think this was actually a pharmacy - could there be liability here for privacy violations? I wonder...
I used point-to-point dial-up lines to connect computers in the 80s. This was not the internet, but data transmission between two minicomputers (not PCs). It was at speeds as low as 2400 baud, though most was at 9600.
The first internet connect I used was a 128kbit ISDN dial-up. When the line dropped, I had to restart the modem, which automatically triggered the dial-up connection. The next generation was leased lines at 1.2mbit, much like DSL, but capable of being subdivided into data and multiple voice lines on the same circuit.
I grew up in rural Oklahoma. We had dial-up until like 2007 as my dad refused to pay for the new "broadband". When I was 14(2005), I worked for a carpenter all summer to save up for a Dell XPS with a Pentium D processor and a Nvidia 6800 xt, to replace our windows 98 Pentium 2 computer. I'd play Halo CE with a constant 350 ms latency. I learned how to aim ahead of people so I could actually hit them. It was wild times.
Thanks for taking the time, very nostalgic. I had flashbacks of asking my mom if I could go online after school (since it was going to take over the phone line and no one would be able to call in or out. That RCE by Dj Pwndu, fuego!
These are the sounds of my teens, my high school, my first online games. Great memories, Thank you!
I have heard somewhere that they removed dialup modem support in windows 11.
It would be nice to see a dial-up test on Windows 10 ;)
I think Windows 11 does still support dial up (or at least Microsoft didn’t remove the settings page for dial up)
As to if dial up will work for initial setup though, I’m not sure
Wow, havent heard that dialup noise for real in ALOT of years. I'm 58 so I've using computers and modems since the DOS days, I even wrote and operated a search program that would dial a number range and log dialup connections for further checks later. Those were the days.
seeing classic computers under led lighting is such a vibe.
Nice! My setup works on VoIP, but I've got a few BBS users using that. Pretty tough as any internet usage can make the connection drop, but locally works perfect.
P.S. Nice Astolfo figurine!
You deserve more attention! Keep it up
Also can we all appriciate this guy endured getting shocked, and an earthquake
I remember the internet was so much more useful place to get info back in the dialup days. Sure it was all in text, but it also wasnt always just a giant sales pitch. Nor did you have to find ways out of echo chambers
The synchronization you did with the sound and what was negotiated with the provider to make the connection was incredible, excellent video! 👑
Connecting to the internet was precious exciting time. Felt like you stepped into a world of unknown unlimited possibilities.
First time watching one of your videos, amazing work. That dial-up infographic was 👌 and your content was both fun and informative. A new LGR in the making, keep it up!