@@gothnerd887 it’s less terrifying if the things name is “the bye bye man”. An ancient goddess of death, the dread Persephone? Scary. The bye bye man? Sesame Street character.
@@noelhann5262 I mean that’s actually kinda menacing depending on what tone you say it in. Just imagen a little kid saying “I saw the bye bye man he says hi mommy!”
Persephone is my ideal version of an angel. She looks and acts like the stereotypical beautiful winged humanoid kind -sweet, gentle, nice coz she prefers it that way ...but if pushed, she without dropping the gentle demeanor, will prove to be as frightening as any of them biblical angels.
... So, it needs to be said - every tine the word "Goth" is used I immediately have quasi-flashbacks to the sacking of Rome. Also cathedrals and fluted armor. But mostly Rome burning.
Something clicked when I saw the Underworld referred to as the "House Of Hades", and now I need a fantasy story where Hades IS the Underworld and Persephone is its caretaker
"He also takes a moment to ask Persephone not to be sad. As his wife, she'll be a queen of queens, ruler of the dead, and highest among the goddesses, and meanwhile, he will work to be the best husband he can be for her." awwww
Aww, indeed. The Homeric _Hymn to Demeter_ reads as follows, translated by Dr. Cora Angier Sowa: _Thus Hermes spoke, and Aïdoneus, lord of those below, smiled with a lift of his eyebrows, and did not disobey the orders of King Zeus. He quickly bade wise Persephone, “Go, Persephone, to your dark-robed mother, keeping in your heart a kind disposition and feeling, and do not be too exceedingly despondent. I shall not be an unfitting husband for you among the immortals, own brother of your father Zeus. Being here, you will rule over everything that lives and moves, and you will have the greatest honors among the immortals. For those who do you wrong there will be punishment for ever, whoever does not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing your rites, paying the proper gifts.” Thus he spoke. Wise Persephone rejoiced, and she quickly started up from joy._
@@primordialsun, I'm all aboard them being a snack he gave her for the road, and she's the one who made up the "yep, totally have to go back for that many months every year, Mom. Magically binding and all that." Then mutters under her breath, "as if MARRIAGE wasn't more binding than some stupid snack food." Elsewhere, Hera, goddess of marriage, has a sudden urge to go give Persephone a hug.
@@segevstormlord3713 According to the story, the pomegranate seeds were the reason she was bound to the underworld, but it would be hilarious if that was just something Persephone made up to justify staying with Hades.
*Demeter* : It’s just horrible how someone would take my child and do god knows what to them without my consent. *The baby she’s currently setting on fire* : Goo? *Demeter* : See, you get me Demophon
As a native German speaker I was so surprised about what a bad rep this story gets in the English speaking world. Mostly because the equivalent word that is used in German "Raub" still just refers to theft or robbery. So when you look at a title like "Der Raub der Perseophone" you just the implication that Hades "stole" her away from Demeter rather than the more horrible implication the English title of the myth points to at first glance.
@@someonerandom8552 Yeah "rape" originally meant "forceful seizure" as seen in the title of the book "The Rape of the Lock" about someone cutting a lock of hair off of a woman's head.
@@someonerandom8552right! A simple digging shows that the word rape adopted the definition that we know of today as well as the misunderstanding of the story of Hades and Persephone in the late 14th century AD. No one wants to google anymore.
And she does. Without dropping her gentle demeanor. There's murderous rampage scary and then there's calm methodical savage destruction scary. Persephone is the latter
Pop Culture: “One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie in the head of the king of the underworld... what dreams of chronic, and sustained cruelty...” Hades, in reality: “I wanna be a good husband!”
2:20 I read the Myth-O-Mania book series as a kid. Basically, it's a fictionalised retelling of the classic Greek myths, all from Hades' perspective. He starts by telling us how one day (modern times) he suddenly discovered our Greek myths, and started reading out of curiosity, hoping to relive the fun times. Instead, he finds Zeus has lied about almost everything, making himself seem perfectly good, while Hades has been villainised. So the series is Hades setting the record straight, according to him. Pretty fun read. And it follows the idea that him and Persephone's relationship was indeed consensual.
There is close of it version by Bellarussian author Elena (Steeless) Hades, beloved of Fate (beloved more in negative connotation or closer to "pet"). I reccomend to read it. Maybe it is not accurate but I did love it. Only it has a lot of cultural jokes.
@@aprilsanders7092 Remember that time the Olympians decided to cause a global flood and kill off all of humanity save for a select few favorites of theirs, causing Lord Hades to be stuck to his ears in paperwork for several millennia in his attempts to account for the hundreds of thousands of unburied people?
I think a lot of people in this day and age miss the really significant point that the kidnapping/rape of Persephone story is most likely an allegory for the ancient traditional practice of fathers arranging for their daughters to be married to an older man within the family, such as an uncle, that way the father's property which would be inherited by the son-in-law through their marriage would stay within the family, making it easier to accumulate wealth over generations down the family line. And when the girl married, she would go from living with her parents to living with her husband and his family and would be pretty cut off socially from other women, especially from her mother. This caused a lot of grief for mothers and their daughters, as they wouldn't be allowed to see each other very often after marriage. And this common grief was preserved in this myth that simultaneously "explained" the seasons. At least, this is a common interpretation/theory. Hades is literally the uncle of Persephone aka Kore, and seems to be a stand-in representing the arranged husband/uncle, so it totally makes sense that in earlier versions if Hades didn't exist, Poseidon would have a prominent role instead! So fascinating how myths change and evolve depending on the societies telling those stories and how their social and legal customs function, for instance how in the modern day West where the custom of arranged marriages to older men aren't all that common, the Hades x Persephone dynamic has kind of become like...a spicy fantasy in fanfic and romance novels with more female empowerment, rather than an allegory for how patriarchal societies function and how they affect the women involved, haha. That's not a bad thing, that's just how mythology works and it's neat. I had no idea about the Despoina pseudonym or how that might point to earlier evolutions of Persephone/Kore/Despoina being quite so "dread", even though I knew about the epithet, I just foolishly assumed it was a perfunctory epithet that came with being generally associated with the Underworld. Really interesting!
Speaking of Hades and Persephone not cheating on each other, a nymph once tried to seduce Hades, but was squashed into the dirt by Persephone. That nymph was named Minthe, and the plant she became is mint.
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure in the "original"/older myths, Hades was a good person who minded his business. Heck, he was a better ruler than Zeus apparently. The only thing he did wrong was kidnap his wife which was normal back then so it was still a W for him. Although recent adaptions kinda f*cked up his character and now he's just... 👀
OK real talk here, having your ruler-of-the-underworld death goddess called just "The Mistress" who's real name is kept secret and is so frightful that namedropping her is inviting her presence is unironically metal as shit
@@zanderblankenship3849 He just works with them. As the god of all things chthonic, meaning things of the earth, Hades is the god of all sources of metals. Hades is the original composer, Hephaestus does the cover
Hades: "Hey Zeus, there's this goddess I like and I have no idea how to get her to pay attention to me. Got any advice?" Zeus: "Just kidnap her lol." Hades: "Zeus it's Persephone. You know, your *daughter* ?" Zeus: "Okay, you have my *permission* to kidnap her." Hades: "And you're sure Demeter won't mind?" Zeus: "I'm the king of the gods, what could happen?" Demeter: *ANGRY WINTER NOISES* Hades: "I knew I shouldn't have gotten advice from cheater supreme." -_-
Hades comes up behind Persephone petting two of Cerberus' heads while crying. "Persephone, what is wrong, why are you crying?" Hades asks urgently And she turns to him and weeps, "I don't have enough hands to pet them all!" And like... I could just see Hades dropping what he's doing and petting his dog with his wife for a while.
I like that this issue is subverted in the game Hades by the explanation that only one of Cerberus's heads likes pets, and the other two will supposedly bite at you if you try to pet them
Zeus solid snake's himself into Hera's chambers as a bird and then transforms like "Surprise butt sex!" Odysseus would later do the same thing with the Trojan horse, only without the bird and the "surprise butt sex" happens all over Troy during its sacking.
Why Hades is my favorite Greek god 1. Actually cares about his wife 2. Doesn't actively look for trouble 3. The only Greek god with a functional marriage 4. Has three headed dog
Exactly he is the oldest and mature aniki While zeus is the idiotic spoiled brat younger brother There are interpretations where zeus cheated on the lot drawing But since hades is lord of the underworld that means everything underground even under the ocean is his like all the riches and minerals so he is the richest dude
@@JuFated On the bright side, he gets a dmc 3 gatekeeper boss as a pet, rich with mineral, and gets good reputation from future scholars. What’s not to like.
@@JuFated Well, there's more earth under our feet than there is water in the ocean or air over our heads, and in the end everyone dies so in terms of pure volume Hades is actually the one in charge and everybody else is just splitting the tiny remainder. ;P
I have a headcanon that immediately after Hades kidnapped Persephone, he was SUPER awkward. Like, “Ummm… Hi? I’m Hades… You’re very pretty… Wanna meet my dog?”
You can tell Persephone was a big frickin' deal because when they had to give her a husband, they gave her the only Olympian who drinks Respect Women Juice.
@@darkishphoenix yeah but there are more stories with hera and aphrodite screwing girls over and artemis made someone fall in love with a bear so let's just all agree that most of the olympians were dicks
@@gbohunmibaloriogun90 shoot your right! Um... Sophisticated older bro turning to his womanzing younger bro to ask how to impress a woman. "Tell me, Zeus, how can I convey my feelings, win her over and steal her heart?" "Just steal *her* !"
I love that half this comment section is mostly making short fanfics about their relationship and the other half is actually talking about the video (also nice pfp)
Not just any plant, specifically mint, which was apparently used to brew a psychoactive compound used in the Eleusinian mysteries. It's all coming full circle.
Helios should have told Demeter "Its Hades you should be worried for. There is a reason no one wants to summons your daughter. Go and make sure she doesnt traumatize the guy."
I like to imagine there’s a lineup of Zeus and Poseidon’s kids demanding to talk to their uncle and a shade just telling them that he’s not a family man, especially for such a messy one
I feel like Hades doesnt do anything because he doesnt need to do anything. No matter what, EVERYONE comes into his kingdom at some point or another, so he’s fine with just waiting.
Me as a child: Hades is a horrible god Me as a adult: Hades is a literally the absolute fairest god you could ask for, great husband to his wife and a brow beaten account of dead people and the least problematic and drama-free god
Zeus in the Disney movie Hercules: (Is a noble person that loves his family.) Zeus in Greek Mythology: I'm legally required to do the Sex Offender Shuffle!
Like seriously. He went and asked the dad's permission when he spotted a girl he liked instead of, I dunno, turning into a swan. The bar is low but stilll
Reading some of the Greek myths, I’ve noticed that when a hero goes into the Underworld, Persephone is there. Theseus, Orpheus, Odysseus, and Hercules mention that Persephone is in the Underworld. Either 1. All Greek heroes apparently only visit Hades in winter. Or 2. Persephone is a Queen of the dead, of course she is going to be there when the heroes appear. The idea of Persephone having been thought of as a queen of the dead is also supported in that, there aren’t many myths about her NOT being in the Underworld. The beginning of the abduction myth is the only example I am aware of. (If there is one with her being out of the Underworld feel free to let me know.) Of course that doesn’t mean there might have been a myth once that had Persephone out of the Underworld, but that’s not the impression I’m getting from the general mythos.
Hades: *monotone* "I like... death." Persephone: *lights up* "OMG! I like death too!" *HUGS* "Now let go back to your place and watch entropy slowly destroy everything your brothers love." Hades: *smiles* "OK."
One of my friends is a total mythology nerd and he has ensured we're very aware that Hades was a pretty chill dude compared to his siblings and extended family. Now Poseidon on the other hand, I will always have a personal hatred for
@@NotMe-vx4vl Poseidon: All of the hedonism, nonconsensual mortal banging, demented levels of misery inflicted in the name of revenge, and daddy issues of Zeus... With none of the widespread hatred. Poseidon deserves his own league of haters
I’m with you there for hating Poseidon, but I’m adding Zeus to that list. I never cared much to have an opinion on those two until I had to do a family tree for all the named characters in “The quest for the Golden Fleece”, Zeus and Poseidon are the reason I could do that and I want to strangle them for it I still believe I wouldn’t have had to make a family tree of roughly 70 people if it wasn’t for those two
@@NotMe-vx4vl Well, apparently his r/p3 game isn't that strong so Caenis one of his many victims wishes to be a man so that she will never suffer through such a traumatic event again. And Poseidon likes to torture sea adventurers based on his many moods.
Why’s no one talking about the art? Red really outdid herself this episode on the gods and their auras contrasting with the others, particularly with the full screen art of Hades with his laurel
I was just thinking about how much I love her art style, and how the status and power of deities is presented so well with the auras, monochrome style and the eyes. And even the little details, like Demeter retaining some green in her eyes even when disguised... Sometimes I just watch the videos for the art, even if I don't necessarily care about the myth in question
Hades: "I know I kidnapped you but your dad said I could and I love you" Persephone: "that's okay it's warm and you have a big dog, I think I'm gonna stay"
Now before anybody starts a war in the reply section adonis was persephone adopted son no more no less the whole persephone cheated thing was something that Ovid made up and before anybody say's that hades cheated leuce is a Roman exclusive myth that doesn't exist in greek mythology and minthe is hades jealous ex who got turned into a plant after claiming to be better than persephone
As dysfunctional as it may be. Zeus has only had 1 marriage, and is going strong. And Persephone didn't get the chance to cheat on Hades with her adoptive son Adonis before he was brutally mangled by a boar. Yeah, I read Mohammed's comment, I am just that rebellious.
@@PropiaRealidad Actually, Hera was Zeus’s second wife. He absorbed his first wife (the titaness Rhea I believe), which gave him all the knowledge and wisdom of the world, and led to the birth of Athena after he literally smashed his head open. The reasoning was it was prophesied Rhea would give birth to a god more cunning than Zeus who could threaten his status as King of the gods. Add on top of that the fact Rhea was the whole reason Zeus was able to supplant Kronos in the first place, and yeah, while arguably not on par of his exploits with mortals later, it’s not like Zeus had a reputation of treating the women who he loved with any sort of respect or decency to begin with. EDIT: I was wrong, Metis was the titaness I was thinking of and she and Zeus were not married. MB.
@@nxdiaz5916 The one you mentioned above is Metis, not Rhea. And they were not technically married, he had an affair with her and after that he absorbed her because he was paranoid that her child would overthrow him.
Now now don't pick on the psychopaths of ancient Greeks especially when said psycho bludgeoned their wet nurse to death before using their skin to depose of a pretty decent guy who other then locking away his kids in an alternative universe because of one of his brothers assery hadn't done much bad.
Would you ever consider doing a video about Demeter? Because it seems like there's an annoying tendency for people to, in order to legitimize Hades and Persephone, characterize Demeter as a horrible mother whom Persephone was glad to escape, which is... so far from the truth. (Edit: Holy shit that's a lot of thumbs up, I thought this comment was going to get lost in the comments section how did this happen XD)
@@thedragonwarrior5861 That's modern-day reinterpretations, the classic myths make no mention of Demeter as an overbearing mother and actually portray her as a wronged individual whose child was taken and didn't even have the chance to say goodbye to her (something even mortal women at the time were allowed, there was always a transition period for brides to say goodbye to friends and family to make things easier) or make sure she was happy with everything, she was told to just accept it because she couldn't change anything because Zeus said so and she'd never see Persephone again. She does what she does because it's the only thing she could do to exert power in an otherwise powerless situation and the only thing that would possibly make the other gods listen to her. And in the end, while the arrangement still makes her sad, she is happy to at least get half a year with her because she knows it was better than the alternative, and she is satisfied when Persephone tells her herself that she is happy and doesn't have to hear people condescendedly talk down to her about Persephone's situation.
@@Floweramon This myth, yes. But, there is a key part in the Myth of Zagreous. Persephone gets perused by multiple gods, including Apollo, Ares, and I believe Hermes. This leads to Demeter going full lockdown mode and hiding Persephone in a cave with dragons and more guarding her. That’s a little overkill I’d say. Hades finds out because caves connect to underworld and from there we get the little god. Now does this make her wrong for wanting her daughter back when stolen from her? No, she has every right to be. No matter if she was over protective of her daughter, that doesn’t mean she’s wrong to be angered when Zues gives her daughter away without a word to her. But it’s not like it’s not in keeping with the myth for her to be overprotective or want keep her daughter forever. I think a good compromise is to have a legit reason for her to be worried or controlling. Good example for me is Lore Olympus. She has legitimate reason to hate Hades so she disapproves of him, and is protective of her daughter because there legit are multiple people trying to use her for their own power. Is Demeter overly protective? Yes. Is her fear warranted? Oh definitely. You can show someone being wrong without them being bad.
Not that this entire video isn’t astoundingly captivating, but describing Hades as “the firstborn son of Cronus. The world is his by birth rite and though there is a delay, all become his subject eventually” is so metal and I love it
@@user-xq4py3fq2y not really, everything that moves in and upon all bodies of water(remember what makes up most of the planet?)Are subject to his domain, he’s also a god of storms and can bring about earthquakes hence the title “earth shaker”
Doesn’t Hades rip open the earth to kidnap Persephone? Sounds like something Poseidon the ‘Earthshaker’ would do. I’m totally down to believe they used to be one god.
It depends on which telling you’re reading. Sometimes Hades kidnaps her, sometimes she wanders down there by herself, sometimes the ground is ripped open to do said kidnapping, etc.
My main hypothesis like that is Pandora also used to have a jar of weal, since there's a *pair* of jars in the Iliad, one of weal and one of woe. But Hesiod, black-piller that he was, conveniently wrote that one out, so he could blame everything wrong with the world on women
she already covered where Poseidon's origins come from in a previous video, can't remember off the top of my head, but basically, he was a Chthonic king of the gods which included deaths from earthquakes since that was the "cthonic" part, which is just all the deaths caused from one massive calamity, hence the name earthshaker despite being a god of the ocean. Hades was already his own entity I believe? even if just a very minor one, but I also think he was instead handed the role of kind of the underworld from the original poseidon... i just don't think they were the one and the same god at this point but that's just my theory
Well they were always different gods, even in the mycanaean age, but they were more revered for their earthshaker things, as earth gods were mostly very important in mycanaean mythos. Poseidons earthshaker epithet was also what got him the gig of ruling the underworld. Zeus, for example, did exist but wasn’t really as important, as he was a sky god rather than a chthonic (earth) god. But Poseidon and Hades were as far as I know never one and the same deity like Hermes and Pan were.
Dread Persephone: taking "married to her job" so literally that said job straight up personifies into an Olympian, whose primary character trait is "loves Persephone."
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Zeus, Hera, Ares, Dionysus, Athena, Apollo, Hermes, Poseidon, Artemis, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Demeter are all Olympians, Hades is absent from the list.
Now hold on, goth colours don’t deny pastels, for they’re beautiful and fleeting. They tend to dirty, but the soiling is quite a “beauty of destruction” kind of vibe. So pastel goth needn’t be two vibes, but one vibe.
People forget that Hades while the ruler of the underworld is basically the manager/admin of the place, THANATOS is the legit god of death and peaceful death at that! Hades is literally that guy who is the regional manager of a company with a cute wife and a dog (and their kid Zagerus, he's actually canon as he is in myth either as an aspect of Dionysus or as the son of hades and Persephone the telling vary because greek mythology be whack and retconning shit all over the place)
@@jaderotaski1 well I mean... less manager and more ruler of the largest kingdom to ever exist and ever will exist (considering the place gets thousands of new residents every day and never loses any)
"As first born son of Kronos, the world was his by birthright" This is such a cool part of his characterization, and I hate it's not explored more in the mythos. I know Hades seems like the guy who wouldn't make a fuss about it, but still...
His brothers cheated him but he actually got the better deal. Everyone is his in the end, the seas will eventually dry up and the skies will eventually burn but there will always be an underworld. He is kind of the universe because he will outlast everyone else. That is super fucking metal.
In one version of the myth Hades actually intentionally becomes King of The Underworld, simply because he (wisely) doesn't trust Zeus or Poseidon to do the job properly. So there's also that... neat.
Also the fact that the underworld isn’t hell, its actually a beautiful place decked with diamonds and jewels. Tartarus is actually hell, why did you think the titans were sent there? Also, a depiction of heaven is in the underworld too which is what the mortals call “Paradise” since only respected deities,greek heroes, or kind nobles go there, thats where Rhea(Titaness and Hades mother) is.
@@TheEman11910 no there wouldn't be since if the seas and sky are gone then humanity as a whole will also be gone and without humans the underworld is kinda pointless and would probably also disapear since death is a human thing without it it can't function properly and looses its purpose it'll probably just dissapear along with humanity or at least abandonded and empty Hades would also lose his job as his entire thing is looking after dead people
Hades: *is actually faithful to his wife, keeps his promises and deals, and is basically the most mature male Olympian Hollywood: And you’re the villain!
Imagine being faithful to your wife and giving her attention and actual power to what was originally just yours -this post was made by the Ancient Greek gang
Honestly this could be said to say a lot about the way Hollywood thinks especially about relationships And they're still confused why no one respects them?
It really makes me wonder how many stories are affected by Christianity and other major religions. That’s why to me ancient stories like those of Egypt are so fascinating.
Something tells me Persephone and Hades roles were similar enough to each other to the two societies that the ancient greeks came from, that once their cultures merged the “marriage” was the embodiment of their metaphorical bond.
I can see where Gomez and Morticia got their idea of a loving couple from, though to be fair, they do love the macabre, and nothing says macabre like the Greek Underworld
Man it sucks that the only respectful god who is loyal to his wife and doesn’t fall in love with every other mortal girl is the most hated. I feel bad for him :(
Also he ain't hated so much on his personality or character but more like he represents death and the average human is scared shitless of death and as such why would they want to deal with him.
@@sirgalahad2 Not like he necessarily decides if or how you die. He's just in charge of the place everyone goes to after after they do. One would think people would appease the guy who owns the property you're going to eventually move to in hopes of better accommodations and not be stuck next to your overbearing mother-in-law who constantly ridicules you for not making enough to own a palace she can move into.
The whole "even though there's a delay, everyone becomes Hades subject eventually." Is metal af. I love it. I also imagine Hades and Persephone being spooky to everyone but they're actually huge dorks when together.
**a subject comes before the Underworld Court** *"You fear us."* "I-" *"Why?"* *"We carry no weapons. Merely the Scythe. We come only when the time is right. And it is not your time yet."* **subject is escorted out** Hades, turning to Persephone: "And the scene at the table with Vi and Caitlyn, that got my heart racing. The little dish scene?" Persephone, waving her hands with excitement: "OH MY DAD, THAT DISH SCENE?! And the little 'I paid a visit to your girlfriend's house'? That put me so on edge, the uncertainty it was just *so good* because-" (this goes on for the next thirty minutes as both of them turn in their chairs with the widest damn smiles on their faces)
In addition to the original meaning of this quote, you can also say it metaphorically when you apply it to what's happening right now in modern media: everyone starts to like Hades (because people actually did some research and found out that he wasn't a villain) P.S. I saw your comment before that part of the video, so everyone liking Hades was the first thing that came to mind😅
Demeter: My brother gave some guy the go-ahead to kidnap my daughter. Ameterasu: Mine threw a dead horse into my living room. Demeter: ...It's not a contest.
Ah, Mythology: the only place where your father is your uncle, your mother is your aunt, your uncle is your husband, your niece is your wife, your brother is your son-in-law, your siblings are your parents-in-law, your parents are your siblings-in-law, your step mother is your aunt, your uncles and aunts are your siblings-in-law, your half-sister is your aunt, your half-siblings and cousins are your nephews and nieces, your half brother is a horse; and nothing it's weird at all...
the big issue with this is that Demeter and Persephone both are very old goddesses and the more cthonic dieties had their significance systematically stripped away as Greece emerged from the dark ages, so stories could be lost to history
The main one besides this one that I remember is where a guy chops down a sacred forest, so Demeter curses him with never-ending constantly growing hunger, that led to him selling his house, attempting to sell his daughter, though she prayed to poseidon to escape and got turned into a male sailor, and then when he had nothing left to sell, eating himself.
I like to think Hades and Persephone being equal in power is representative on how death is the great equalizer. Everyone is destined to fall under their domain in time, regardless of gender, age, or class
The more i learn about Hades, the more it feels like that's the way the greeks saw death. Something that everyone, eventually, goes through, so it doesn't rush, and it doesn't really do that much besides wait for the moment to come. Among all the chaos and stuff all the other gods did and caused, Hades did basically nothing, didn't meddle with anyone else; like death, just waiting quietly and peacefully for you to come.
'"Honestly, i rarely saw the point of mortals worshipping me. They were going to come to my realm sooner or later, regardless of what they did. Did they think it would win them leniency in judging their shades?" He shook his head. "That isnt how i operate"' Dresden files, book 15, Skin Game. Main character actually sits down for a chat with Hades, this is what he says to him.
@@commentlurker3874 it is also because while you can get a favor or be on the good side of some of the other gods, Hades was inexorable. There was nothing they could do to get out of death, gain his favor, or for him to be lenient on them.
Greeks were kinda big on the whole "hubris is bad" thing so it would make sense if they saw death as the ultimate humbler. No matter how great a warrior or king you are you can never escape death, the dude who did try got punished for eternity for it.
He just loves his wife and dog and just wants to do his job He barely annoys mortals as long as they do not try to do something to mess with the underworld He is lawful good
Demeter: Kore, I’m afraid your grounded until this phase of yours comes to an end! *Cuts to Persephone wearing black leather clothes and face paint* Persephone: ITS NOT A PHASE MOM! AND I TOLD YOU, MY NAME IS DESPOINA!
@@willywonka8004 Hey what if the underworld weather originally hers but Zeus kicked her out(well when she was on her off months And Hades just walks into this and it's like okay
I remember reading a comic adaptation of the Hades and Persephone myth where it is in fact interpreted as Persephone staying in the underworld to rebel against her mom.
@@Silverwind87 And this is how it go down Demeter: ZEUS WHY THE F*CK IS OUR DAUGHTER IN THE UNDERWORLD!? Zeus: don't worry she with hades Demeter: IF YOU DON'T GET HER RIGHT NOW I WILL KILL EVERYTHING YOU LOVE! Zeus: fine I will go get her in the underworld Zeus: Hey hades you need gave Persephone back Hades: yea sure but I don't she will like that Persephone: FEAR MEEEEEEEEEEEE
It occurs that the thing with the pomegranate seeds can be written off as a moment of weakness on Hades' part - the only point in this story, and perhaps the only point in the mythology ever, where he acts as impulsively as Zeus does.
@@koathekid8255 Hard to tell, but not an impossible read considering it being a trick is part of a story in a hymn to *Demeter,* who would obviously want to believe Persephone wanted to return to her full time, and that Persephone's main response to being in the underworld would be missing her. We obviously don't have any earlier sources of the myth, but if any of the versions of the myth ever were told in a framing of praying to Hades or Persephone, odds are the story would hew at least a bit closer to the pomegranate seeds being an excuse they used to remain together, rather than an act of deception, unless it being a deception was the exclusive version of the story told.
For anyone curious about how Zeus and Hera shacked up: Zeus tried seducing her but she didn't want him, he disguised himself as an injured swan to get her to drop her guard, and then he raped her. The marriage was because Hera was the goddess of family and would only lay with her husband, and due to said rape that ends up being Zeus. What a great guy. I'm going to replay God of War 3 just to beat him to death again.
Everyone's talking about Hades loving Persephone because she's secretly terrifying, which gives me the headcanon that Persophone, as goddess of the spring created the damaging, deadly or carnivorous plants like nettles, nightshade and venus flytraps.
As someone who gets allergies that last from about march until mid-august, I completely agree with the greeks making someone connected to spring pull a double shift as the queen of the underworld.
Ah nettles, the most surprisingly terrifying plant of all. If you want a fun time, figure out where nettles get most of their nutrients from, it'll blow your mind.
"Cite your sources or admit you don't have any" Just found your channel again after a few years, and i remember why I love it so much. You are the best! Thank you for keeping things as true to the citable history as you can. I appreciate you and all the knowledge I've gained from your channel!
As a woman in ancient greece you usually had 2 options: 1. You get impregnated by a god and then chased to death by monsters, other gods and/or your own child 2. There is no second option
I mean, there's the "your story isn't told" option. And there are your occasional Arachnes and Atalantas, of course, but they're notable because of their rarity.
the worst thing he ever did to Persephone was trick her into eating a fruit that made her return to the underworld for a third of the year because he was scared that she would never come back, but compare that to all the other fates that had bestowed on all the other god's mistresses and wives it really is a good deal and hades actually loves and respects her. Hell she probably would've returned to hades even without the need of the fruit because she really did like him, she literally crushed a nymph to death the minute it tried to seduce hades, they love each other.
@@h0m3st4r i feel like Hades' response "binding them to a chair in hell for eternity" to people trying to kidnap his wife in his own home while he's there is kinda justified.
Hades: * is the only Greek deity that loves his wife, doesn’t cheat, does gummy is job well and doesn’t go out of his way to cause drama, and is the only one that doesn’t rape mortal women for no reason* The rest of the pantheon: weird but okay Modern day peeps: SATAN
Actually, he did cheat only twice though (At least there’s only two famous one). Minthe (Later on became the Mint plant we know and Leuce (A white tree in the underworld, pretty sure). Still better than other gods tho.
@@kxqinny8813 Minthe was in some versions transformed by Persephone to get her to bugger off. Leuce probably met a similar fate. And whether they threw themselves at her husband or he tried it and failed is another question. Regardless, no bastard children of Hades and the victim of the week.
Hades: *has an incredibly functional relationship with his wife, especially considering the intensely patriarchal time frame* Historians: Literal satan????
Pandora's the opposite. Hesiod's version, which is the only surviving one, is *insanely* misogynistic, but historians gloss over that. Although I do specify *Hesiod's*, because there are arguments for the existence of a previous, less misogynistic version.
Welcome to Christianity, boys and girls. "All of your gods are really just our god, you just didn't know it. Except...um...that one. Yeah, that one. He's actually Satan and will now forever be associated with evil whether you like it or not, or we'll kill you and tell everyone we were just purifying your soul. Also, all of your holy days are now ours. See ya!"
Man, when you put it like that it actually makes _more_ sense. Of course the religion that says Eve was created from part of a man (for varying reasons, ranging from very to not at all misogynistic) and is responsible for plucking the apple, would demonize a god who treats a woman as a person and not an object.
@@Jikkuryuu Actually, Genesis is extremely tame compared to Hesiod. Genesis has man and woman being created at the same time, and even uses a word (ezer) to describe Eve that's typically reserved for divine help. Meanwhile, Hesiod alleges an entire all-male utopia before the creation of woman, and that woman was specifically created as a punishment for Prometheus having stolen fire
Take this account with a grain of salt: Early on in my practice of Wicca, at the point where Persephone was already firmly established as my Matron goddess and I had started doing work with Hades, I communed with my gods while on a call with my friends and drawing fanart for a game I like. I was asked by Persephone what I was doing, and I told her I was drawing. She said, and I quote, "That's adorable. When you die, I'm going to keep you." I literally got a chill down my spine.
5:45 where Helios mentions that Persephone could do worse with a choice of husbands and that bit where "As firstborn son of Kronos the world was his by birthright and even if there's a delay everyone becomes his subject eventually." That's METAL
@@peternickle1884 And then they go to Zeus and he says "But Demeter.... I gave him permission it's less of kidnapping and more a arranged marriage" Winter time later: "why aren't the crops growing and people dying?"
Then again he is kind of that way in the cartoon tv series class of titans. Its good I recommend it. I wasn't sure of the way they represented hades at first but it grew on me thier a cute couple.
its worth noting the angle that back then, daughters went to live with their husbands family & rarely saw their parents anymore, & that Demeter's characterization would have recalled the grief of such a separation in the original cultural context.
Demeter: helps out a local ruler while trying to bring her daughter out of the underworld, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered Isis: helps out a local ruler while trying to restore her brother to life, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered Coincidence?
The Old gods seem like the type to just casually whisper to mortals "say my name 3 times into the mirror at your next gathering, it'll be a really fun time". And then Typhon gets summoned at the next Dionysius' picnic.
Don't know why, but for some reason I can see a well intentioned Hades coming to Zeus for romantic advice and then Zeus straight up tells him to kidnap Persephone as a means of proposing to her.
Exactly! He thought his brother had "Experience" in that department since he got laid so often. Poor, innocent baby. Got led astray by a bad influence. Tsk tsk.
Hades: I was so in love with you, so I went to my brother to ask for help, &- Persephone: Wait, wait, wait. You took relationship advice... from _Zeus?!_ Hades: ... I recognize my mistake.
@@quiethere45 I think that depends on just how quickly he was planning on banging Persephone. If it was an asap matter, Zeus would be the one to go to. If it's about actually winning her over first, then I think Hestia would probably be the best option.
@@quiethere45 This is coming from a big fan of Hestia, but why on earth would Hades ask her? Hestia is a virgin goddess that rejected *TWO* marriage proposals, from Poseidon and Apollo, and vowed to stay a virgin forever, and is specifically mentioned to be immune to the powers of Aphrodite. Hades went to Zeus because Zeus was Persephone's father, sweet and simple. And could we just stop the whole "Zeus is Satan" please? It's kinda getting out of hand. Zeus didn't outright tell Hades to kidnap Persephone, he just gave him his permission and blessing. Hades was feared in Ancient Greece for a reason, like Red said: Underworld Deities were super scary.
I always love how shocked people are to learn how mostly benevolent Hades actually is compared to the rest of the Pantheon.. also just food for thought to everyone.. it’s PERSEPHONE who persuades Hades after Orpheus moves him with music.
@@pokeyscorpion8224 Also depends on the version. Some versions had Hades there alone that week, so Hades alone made the call to let Orpheus go for it. Which in that version one might even argue the rule about turning back was a stipulation to appease Persephone once she got back, since she wasn't present to be moved by Orpheus's performance as he had been. Obviously, in versions where they were both present they were both at least somewhat moved, because Orpheus was the best musician in Greece, although the one who cracked first in those stories is more often Persephone.
It is interesting how Hades himself probably didn't exist before the Greek Dark Age, but later he is the Kronos's first-born and the world belongs to him by birthright. Talk about a grand entrance.
That might just be a nice little parallel between Greek, Christian and Egyptians. Hades, Osiris, Christ all showing up as firstborn sons of their religion's greatest deities and all three just happen to have connections with the underworld. It might have been that all three were affecting each other in the same way but with different after-effects later down the road.
Its possible that proto greeks had the younger son inherit the throne. We see that constantly in their gods. The youngest son of Chaos, Ouranos, is usurped by his youngest son, Kronos, is usurped by his youngest son Zeus.
Ok, so Basically, Persephone: Is Scary [On his knees] Hades: Let me build a Home for you. We'll get a dog and name him Spot. I'll watch your back while you shred your enemies.
“The throne of Olympus is his by birthright.” That completely justifies him in Disney’s Hercules if you ask me, or at the very least, seriously changed the narrative. It’s no longer about a usurper being fended off, it’s about the crown prince being disposed. TWICE.
@@JaelinBezel Child murder isn’t exactly new for the gods, to be fair. Especially Hera... Besides, even if it is about a disposed prince, it is still a story about the game of thrones; filicide amongst other underhanded tactics are all par for the course.
I suspect the reason was that Hades _was_ Zeus. Poseidon may be King of the Gods then, but either there's an older chthonic god who secretly outranked or predated him and fathered proto-Dionysus whose aspect Zeus absorbed or Hades was an aspect of Zeus he had to shed to make him a more palatable Lord of Heaven than Poseidon.
Hades could also be an aspect of Poseidon Zeus had to take over to become King of the Gods and some of the stories got tied to him instead as a result of it. I also suspect that the reason Zeus was made king was because he was originally like Thor in function. He's a champion of humanity and a slayer of monsters. And as a rain god he became increasingly more important for a people becoming more agricultural. He hangs out with mortals, either tricking them or seducing them and there's just soo many stories about him and has children in so many places because everyone _wanted_ to be connected to him in some way. Zeus was Mr. Popular. So maybe the Ancient Greeks went "We love Zeus the best. We worship him the most. Why not just make him King of Heaven instead of that spooky death-god with a trident?" So they made it happen. They took out the pieces of Poseidon that Zeus needed to be king and if Poseidon or Zeus had aspects they thought were too spooky they spun those off into Hades, "the other Zeus", and also made Poseidon weaker as a result. The misogynistic Greeks also got a male-god trinity out of the deal instead of an "icky-one-male-two-female" one like a proper civilization. My other theory is that the Dionysus story is one of those that had to be attached to Zeus because I get the feeling that whoever fathers/fathered the God of Wine is the True King of Heaven. Because Dionysus is subtly characterized in some stories as the one destined to be the next king of the gods. The heir. The guy who gets to be the guy in charge come the next big family crisis. The guy who replaces his father. The guy characterized as a popular conqueror who enchants every place his cult touches. And since Dionysus was originally an insanely powerful death-and-madness-earth-god it makes better sense for him to be born to two death-and-madness-earth-gods rather than a sky god and a mortal.
@@Borderose That would make sense, and would justify the idea that a) Hades was the oldest, and b) all of that talk about how being king of the gods is his "Birthright." It would actually explain a lot.
_Polydegmon._ Title referencing the Greek god Hades who, as king of his own realm, is adherent to the practice of _xenia,_ which holds that kings especially are due to treat any new arrivals with the proper respect as well as provide them neccessary provisions and entertainment.
@@Boss_Isaac That's actually awesome. Hades, being king of the dead, must show all of the dead the same hospitality that a mortal king would (at the time) be expected to show his guests in real life. Making him actually a pretty decent guy, especially by comparison to, say, Zeus.
@@ReySilverskin This also extends to Hades' own treatment of Persephone, who is not depicted as being mistreated as she'd be considered a guest in his domain. Zeus, as king of the gods, was also beholden to the practice, as seen in the myth of Ixion. Ixion in Greek myth was the first individual to murder someone but was purified of the guilt, and later invited by Zeus to Olympos. As his host, Zeus saw that Ixion was respected and given any provisions he'd need like food and drink, but as guest, Ixion is expected to give Zeus the same courtesy - except what your host gives you and do not harm them and their belongings. Ixion sees Hera and he becomes attracted towards her, making advances on the goddess when Zeus is out of sight. Hera later informs her husband of this and Zeus, wanting to give Ixion the benefit of the doubt and not violate _xenia_ by punishing Ixion without evidence, decides to test him. He forms a duplicate of Hera from cloud and inroduces Hera-B to Ixion, who takes her and rapes her. Zeus sees this and, enraged that Ixion violated the sanctiy of _xenia_ and assault his host's wife, graps him and ties him to a wheel which he sends hurling across the heavens, to spin for eternity. Other sources depict Zeus immediately striking him down with lightning.
And what devil analogies? All souls, whether good or evil went to the Underworld. It was not Hell. It had sections according to how you were judged. He was basically the manager of the whole afterlife!!!
Hades: I don't know if I can do this after all. How do I even approach her? Zeus: Don't worry so much, brother. Just go to her and sweep her off her feet! Hades: *proceeds to literally sweep Persephone off her feet via chariot*
“Don’t speak her name, you might get her attention” is a terrifying concept.
don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it
@@gothnerd887 it’s less terrifying if the things name is “the bye bye man”. An ancient goddess of death, the dread Persephone? Scary. The bye bye man? Sesame Street character.
@@noelhann5262 The Mistress? Horrifying. The Girl(Kore)? Meh
@@noelhann5262 I mean that’s actually kinda menacing depending on what tone you say it in. Just imagen a little kid saying “I saw the bye bye man he says hi mommy!”
@@noelhann5262 I know right, the only reason I remember that movie is Phelous
Plot twist: Demeter was just sending more subjects to them as a wedding gift.
This, this is amazing
Knowing the Greek Gods, I could totally see her combining her sulking with the wedding present.
Naah hades would hate it bec it’s too much work hahahaha
So much paperwork though
I didn't say he'd like the present.
Me before this video: Persephone is a pure cinnamon roll that loves her goth husband.
Me now: Hades is an emo nerd that loves his Lovecraftian wife.
Exactly!
Persephone is my ideal version of an angel. She looks and acts like the stereotypical beautiful winged humanoid kind -sweet, gentle, nice coz she prefers it that way ...but if pushed, she without dropping the gentle demeanor, will prove to be as frightening as any of them biblical angels.
As someone who works with Persephone: yes.
She is an actual dork though, just do not piss her off or you will very much so regret it!
They’re both goth emo nerds
... So, it needs to be said - every tine the word "Goth" is used I immediately have quasi-flashbacks to the sacking of Rome.
Also cathedrals and fluted armor.
But mostly Rome burning.
Something clicked when I saw the Underworld referred to as the "House Of Hades", and now I need a fantasy story where Hades IS the Underworld and Persephone is its caretaker
I think there was a comic book with that take.
Is that a fancy way of saying you want to see Persephone inside Hades?
There's probably a Percy Jackson fanfiction about that
In D&D, there is a plane called Hades, but it is only one of the many underworlds.
I am not entirely sure if Persephone rules it though.
kinda like how tartarus is both a place and a person
"He also takes a moment to ask Persephone not to be sad. As his wife, she'll be a queen of queens, ruler of the dead, and highest among the goddesses, and meanwhile, he will work to be the best husband he can be for her."
awwww
Aww, indeed. The Homeric _Hymn to Demeter_ reads as follows, translated by Dr. Cora Angier Sowa:
_Thus Hermes spoke, and Aïdoneus, lord of those below, smiled with a lift of his eyebrows, and did not disobey the orders of King Zeus. He quickly bade wise Persephone, “Go, Persephone, to your dark-robed mother, keeping in your heart a kind disposition and feeling, and do not be too exceedingly despondent. I shall not be an unfitting husband for you among the immortals, own brother of your father Zeus. Being here, you will rule over everything that lives and moves, and you will have the greatest honors among the immortals. For those who do you wrong there will be punishment for ever, whoever does not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing your rites, paying the proper gifts.” Thus he spoke. Wise Persephone rejoiced, and she quickly started up from joy._
Aww so cute.
Hades?
Wh-what are you doing with those pomegranate seeds?
HADES!
@@primordialsun, I'm all aboard them being a snack he gave her for the road, and she's the one who made up the "yep, totally have to go back for that many months every year, Mom. Magically binding and all that." Then mutters under her breath, "as if MARRIAGE wasn't more binding than some stupid snack food." Elsewhere, Hera, goddess of marriage, has a sudden urge to go give Persephone a hug.
@@segevstormlord3713 According to the story, the pomegranate seeds were the reason she was bound to the underworld, but it would be hilarious if that was just something Persephone made up to justify staying with Hades.
@@primordialsun That's what the game surmised.
"If the mortal is lucky..."
*shows picture of Cassandra*
Yeah, not exactly lucky. But it could be much, *MUCH* worse
Weeelll when you consider what COULD have happened it’s actually very clean in terms of Olympian relationships
Oh you're here too.
I mean atleast she wasn't turned into a plant
Eeeeeyyyy it's Jack! :D
*Demeter* : It’s just horrible how someone would take my child and do god knows what to them without my consent.
*The baby she’s currently setting on fire* : Goo?
*Demeter* : See, you get me Demophon
*looks at Leo from HoO* Well that explains a lot...
Hahahahahaha
She was trying to make him immortal, but yeah.
I love this way to much 😂
@@thewritingreference2629 And Hades was trying to have a happy marriage. Consent and communication with their family is important.
As a native German speaker I was so surprised about what a bad rep this story gets in the English speaking world. Mostly because the equivalent word that is used in German "Raub" still just refers to theft or robbery. So when you look at a title like "Der Raub der Perseophone" you just the implication that Hades "stole" her away from Demeter rather than the more horrible implication the English title of the myth points to at first glance.
Yeah. Stealing is a more accurate word for what happens.
To be fair, the word rape in this context does genuinely mean kidnap. The err other definition is actually more of a “modern meaning.”
Well technically he did steal her away
@@someonerandom8552 Yeah "rape" originally meant "forceful seizure" as seen in the title of the book "The Rape of the Lock" about someone cutting a lock of hair off of a woman's head.
@@someonerandom8552right! A simple digging shows that the word rape adopted the definition that we know of today as well as the misunderstanding of the story of Hades and Persephone in the late 14th century AD. No one wants to google anymore.
So basically
Persephone: Babe, someone's talking shit, hold my flower
Hades: Go kick their ass baby, I got your flower
And she does. Without dropping her gentle demeanor. There's murderous rampage scary and then there's calm methodical savage destruction scary. Persephone is the latter
I love this
Awww so cute
@@marrie2126 yes
@@reyonXIII yep
I like to think that Hades is attracted to Persephone because she's absolutely terrifying and he sees that as 'cute'.
I love this
This is cannon and you can't change my mind about it
Yes
Okay who started typing I know somebody's going to write a fanfic of this
@@anarchomando7707 body I've been wanting too
Pop Culture: “One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie in the head of the king of the underworld... what dreams of chronic, and sustained cruelty...”
Hades, in reality: “I wanna be a good husband!”
Hades: "I want to name my dog spot and to have a good day in the underworld"
@@crawlingboy Skin game?
“Do you believe in magic?”
@@jeremytewari3346 Do you believe in gravity?
See he is clearly mad he wants stability and consent.- Zeus probably
2:20 I read the Myth-O-Mania book series as a kid. Basically, it's a fictionalised retelling of the classic Greek myths, all from Hades' perspective. He starts by telling us how one day (modern times) he suddenly discovered our Greek myths, and started reading out of curiosity, hoping to relive the fun times. Instead, he finds Zeus has lied about almost everything, making himself seem perfectly good, while Hades has been villainised. So the series is Hades setting the record straight, according to him. Pretty fun read. And it follows the idea that him and Persephone's relationship was indeed consensual.
I read those books to! I loved them and Hades retelling of the big fat book of Greek myths lol
"What a load of horse shit! Who wrote this?!"
*Written by Zeus*
"I expected this, and I'm still let down."
They sound interesting
The funniest/saddest part about this is that Zeus rewriting everything to hype himself up is completely in-character for him to do.
There is close of it version by Bellarussian author Elena (Steeless) Hades, beloved of Fate (beloved more in negative connotation or closer to "pet"). I reccomend to read it. Maybe it is not accurate but I did love it. Only it has a lot of cultural jokes.
Ahhh Hades. The God of Minding His Own Business.
🤣🤣🤣
Honestly. He’s content to do his job and spend time with his wife. Whatever tomfuckery his brothers get up to is not his business.
Hades: GREAT MORE PAPER WORK IT'S NOT LIKE WANT TO SEND TIME WITH MY WIFE AND KIDS NOPE I HATE MY FAMILY THANK GUYS I LOVE WORK
@@aprilsanders7092
Remember that time the Olympians decided to cause a global flood and kill off all of humanity save for a select few favorites of theirs, causing Lord Hades to be stuck to his ears in paperwork for several millennia in his attempts to account for the hundreds of thousands of unburied people?
God of "kindly GET OUT OF MY LAWN, please sir"
"There was almost no difference between the stock pose for "Marriage" and the stock pose for "Kidnapping"."
_o no_
They were probably pretty much the same thing for the woman involved, consent-wise.
@@arigadatred5395 This is a disturbingly good point.
_Oh no_
_Oh no_
_Oh no no no no no_
...................
@@arigadatred5395 poor 9
“This abduction was sponsored by Zeus!”
Zeus: Should’ve bought premium, *daughter*
XDXD
Oh my gosh. I think I'm literally dying. That is beautiful
Persephone: Well, premium comes with the offhand chance of being assaulted by you!
@@fanonymouse Hades: looks at her then to Zeus. Ummm so is that a no to being my wife-
Aphrodite in the corner shipping them like she always does.
I thought it was sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends
I think a lot of people in this day and age miss the really significant point that the kidnapping/rape of Persephone story is most likely an allegory for the ancient traditional practice of fathers arranging for their daughters to be married to an older man within the family, such as an uncle, that way the father's property which would be inherited by the son-in-law through their marriage would stay within the family, making it easier to accumulate wealth over generations down the family line. And when the girl married, she would go from living with her parents to living with her husband and his family and would be pretty cut off socially from other women, especially from her mother. This caused a lot of grief for mothers and their daughters, as they wouldn't be allowed to see each other very often after marriage. And this common grief was preserved in this myth that simultaneously "explained" the seasons. At least, this is a common interpretation/theory.
Hades is literally the uncle of Persephone aka Kore, and seems to be a stand-in representing the arranged husband/uncle, so it totally makes sense that in earlier versions if Hades didn't exist, Poseidon would have a prominent role instead! So fascinating how myths change and evolve depending on the societies telling those stories and how their social and legal customs function, for instance how in the modern day West where the custom of arranged marriages to older men aren't all that common, the Hades x Persephone dynamic has kind of become like...a spicy fantasy in fanfic and romance novels with more female empowerment, rather than an allegory for how patriarchal societies function and how they affect the women involved, haha. That's not a bad thing, that's just how mythology works and it's neat.
I had no idea about the Despoina pseudonym or how that might point to earlier evolutions of Persephone/Kore/Despoina being quite so "dread", even though I knew about the epithet, I just foolishly assumed it was a perfunctory epithet that came with being generally associated with the Underworld. Really interesting!
This comment needs more likes. It explains so much about the myth and the cultural context from which it came into existence
Persephone: *Scary as heck when she gets pissed*
Hades to Poseidon: She's so cute when she gets pouty!
Poseidon: *side-eyeing a mint plant* ... bruh.
Persephone: *turns into/spawns in some kind of eldritch abomination*
Hades, with heart-eyes: "You're so beautiful!"
Hermes: THE F**K DO YOU SEE IN HER!?
Zeus : Only her doting husband knows. She gets her temper from Demeter.
@@thefirstofthelastones8952 Hades: Potential
Didn't understand the reference, scrolled down two comments and there was the mint myth 😂
Speaking of Hades and Persephone not cheating on each other, a nymph once tried to seduce Hades, but was squashed into the dirt by Persephone. That nymph was named Minthe, and the plant she became is mint.
😝 😂 hahahaha
Ok but how do you Explain Adonis?
Refreshing
Really? I saw her in lore olympus I never knew she was real
There was another one right?
When the “bad guy” has the most functional relationship
Depends on which adaption you used
I mean he isn’t even a bad guy lol because the underworld isn’t equal to hell
@@NoName-dx1no yea, that’s why I put it in quotes,
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure in the "original"/older myths, Hades was a good person who minded his business. Heck, he was a better ruler than Zeus apparently. The only thing he did wrong was kidnap his wife which was normal back then so it was still a W for him. Although recent adaptions kinda f*cked up his character and now he's just... 👀
@@goaway4625 well the kidnapping was adviced by Zeus so its also his fault
I like how she did Hades's reaction to everyone dying: "Oh balls, thats not good, yeah persephone go back to your mom."
God i love this channel
"Not MORE paper work!!!"
OK real talk here, having your ruler-of-the-underworld death goddess called just "The Mistress" who's real name is kept secret and is so frightful that namedropping her is inviting her presence is unironically metal as shit
I like that
Can't be more metal than Hades, the god of metals. Or I'm guessing that was your intent.
@@reyonXIII I thought Hephaestus was the god of metal considering he’s the blacksmith of the gods.
@@zanderblankenship3849 He just works with them. As the god of all things chthonic, meaning things of the earth, Hades is the god of all sources of metals.
Hades is the original composer, Hephaestus does the cover
@@reyonXIII Let's not knock it. What Hades produces is rich, but unrefined. Hades provides the raws. Hephaestus mixes a symphony.
Hades: "Hey Zeus, there's this goddess I like and I have no idea how to get her to pay attention to me. Got any advice?"
Zeus: "Just kidnap her lol."
Hades: "Zeus it's Persephone. You know, your *daughter* ?"
Zeus: "Okay, you have my *permission* to kidnap her."
Hades: "And you're sure Demeter won't mind?"
Zeus: "I'm the king of the gods, what could happen?"
Demeter: *ANGRY WINTER NOISES*
Hades: "I knew I shouldn't have gotten advice from cheater supreme." -_-
hrtghjopo[piuyfdesedrfytguhjokiuy7otirudecjfvhgbl;oji876 jlj that the noise of Zeus getting murdered by demeter
@@aprilsanders7092 Meh, it was long over due.
@@djktsjytej honestly, yea it was
That cracked me up
Khione did the winter, Demeter just didn't let plants grow.
Hades comes up behind Persephone petting two of Cerberus' heads while crying.
"Persephone, what is wrong, why are you crying?" Hades asks urgently
And she turns to him and weeps, "I don't have enough hands to pet them all!"
And like... I could just see Hades dropping what he's doing and petting his dog with his wife for a while.
This is the most adorable thing I've ever read and I want somebody to draw it *NOW*
Is that a Punderworld reference?
@@cramerfloro5936 No. I have never heard of punderworld.
@@zebrin then I highly suggest you do! It can be found on Webtoons and Deviantart, and it pictured exactly your thought image!
I like that this issue is subverted in the game Hades by the explanation that only one of Cerberus's heads likes pets, and the other two will supposedly bite at you if you try to pet them
"(Zeus and Hera's marriage) is so far from consensual."
I finally found this myth.
Holy shit are you not kidding.
Well that myth really makes no sense since they already knew each other so I choose to believe it didn't happen
Zeus solid snake's himself into Hera's chambers as a bird and then transforms like "Surprise butt sex!"
Odysseus would later do the same thing with the Trojan horse, only without the bird and the "surprise butt sex" happens all over Troy during its sacking.
Yah- I berly know it but HOLLY FLUK?!?!
What's scarier than God of the Underworld and Supreme Ruler of the Dead?
HIS WIFE.
Same goes for Zeus and Hera if you think about it🤔
I love this description.
Absolutely, a friend of mine said her name and was hanged for theft some time afterward ☠
Hades isn't even that scary
@@ave8685 Nope, he's just Gloomy.
Why Hades is my favorite Greek god
1. Actually cares about his wife
2. Doesn't actively look for trouble
3. The only Greek god with a functional marriage
4. Has three headed dog
And the dog's name basically means "Spot".
@@rmyoung87 even better
5. He's probably the only God to have not raped someone.
Named spot
@@rmyoung87 lol, it really doesn't, do the research. Twitter is not factually correct
In Greek schools we are taught that Hades is actually the most mature and wisest SON of Kronos. Zues is just the overpowered brat favoured by fate.
He is technically the eldest and just got the sorta shortest end of the stick when the brothers divided the realms.
Exactly he is the oldest and mature aniki
While zeus is the idiotic spoiled brat younger brother
There are interpretations where zeus cheated on the lot drawing
But since hades is lord of the underworld that means everything underground even under the ocean is his like all the riches and minerals so he is the richest dude
@@JuFated On the bright side, he gets a dmc 3 gatekeeper boss as a pet, rich with mineral, and gets good reputation from future scholars. What’s not to like.
@@JuFated Well, there's more earth under our feet than there is water in the ocean or air over our heads, and in the end everyone dies so in terms of pure volume Hades is actually the one in charge and everybody else is just splitting the tiny remainder. ;P
@@eclipserepeater2466 well back then the people didn't know that earth was that big :v the "underworld" is probably small
I have a headcanon that immediately after Hades kidnapped Persephone, he was SUPER awkward. Like, “Ummm… Hi? I’m Hades… You’re very pretty… Wanna meet my dog?”
Persephone: dog? yes.
And that, as they say, was that.
He SA’d her in the original myth 💀
"I have a massive puppy with three heads"
I honestly have a head canon where is she also has some three headed plant to match Cerberus
WAY DOWN HADESTOWN. WAY DOWN UNDER THE GROUND
A legend has entered the chat
Hadestown rules
"You're early"
"I missed yah"
@@luthientinuviel3883 Why does that line give me chills every time
@@luthientinuviel3883 Mr. Hades is a mighty king
You can tell Persephone was a big frickin' deal because when they had to give her a husband, they gave her the only Olympian who drinks Respect Women Juice.
Specifically the only male Olympian who fits that description. The female Olympians seem to mostly be pretty good.
@@deanholderde5959 I mean hera and aphrodite are not the best
@@cawcaw508 Athena wasn't great to other women either. Well, depends whose version of the stories but Medusa and Arachne might have some opinions
If I am not mistaken, Aires is also one of the least rapey gods.
@@darkishphoenix yeah but there are more stories with hera and aphrodite screwing girls over and artemis made someone fall in love with a bear so let's just all agree that most of the olympians were dicks
"Even if there is a bit of delay, everyone becomes a subject eventually" is such a banger line
If only hades knew he could impress persephone with that line instead of going to Zeus for romantic advice
@@justaname4136 younger goth bro goes to his older jock bro for romantic advice. The result: Kidnapping instead of poetry.
@@TheSimmus but Hades is older😂
@@gbohunmibaloriogun90 shoot your right! Um...
Sophisticated older bro turning to his womanzing younger bro to ask how to impress a woman.
"Tell me, Zeus, how can I convey my feelings, win her over and steal her heart?"
"Just steal *her* !"
@@TheSimmus
Hades: How do you go about "picking up the ladies", brother?
Zeus: Literally pick them up! Steal them...😈
hades: oh, i hope no one dies, that would make my job worst
persephone: minthe tea
Hades: what?!
Persephone: *slowly sips minthe tea* "Good stuff."
That's a new version. About as accurate as the "Satan Hades" bias. It's just more crap being thrown at them by modern historians.
I love that half this comment section is mostly making short fanfics about their relationship and the other half is actually talking about the video (also nice pfp)
What people think Persephone is like:
Innocent flower girl
What she’s actually like:
She who shall not be named
My favorite interpretations are when it’s both at the same time
@@sergeantsmilo4231 Adorifying
@@sergeantsmilo4231 Creepy Cute. I love it. :)
Does she have a nose?
@@kusaisama that’s a good question
“Even your favorite”
My favorite is Hestia and she doesn’t exist enough to do anything bad.
that is her missdeed, we needed a japanese lightnovel that barely follows the mythos it references, in order to remember that she exists
Hestia is best Greek goddess.
@Alexander Mayro Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon?
@@Punaparta a man if culture I see
@Alexander Mayro Not sure if you are trying to force-rhyme best with hestia or if you re using the spanish word for beast...
You forgot to mention a very cool detail about our homegirl: she turned homewrecker Minthe into a plant.
Again I would love to see jealous Persephone
Not just any plant, specifically mint, which was apparently used to brew a psychoactive compound used in the Eleusinian mysteries. It's all coming full circle.
And mint is now also used by nervous people on a first date, pickup artists, and bed hoppers and/or home-wreckers. Very full circle,
Persephone also stomped the shit out of the plant after
@@doopdoopdopdop7424, it is also the best ice cream flavor. >_>
Helios should have told Demeter "Its Hades you should be worried for. There is a reason no one wants to summons your daughter. Go and make sure she doesnt traumatize the guy."
Hercules:"Come on, just let me pass on the underworld, just this time. You are my uncle!"
Hades:"Yours and half of the Greece!"
Must be so weird to see half of the ghost that pass through to be his nieces and nephews. Can't tell if that is dark humor or sad humor.
I like to imagine there’s a lineup of Zeus and Poseidon’s kids demanding to talk to their uncle and a shade just telling them that he’s not a family man, especially for such a messy one
@@adeleaslan8182 he actually had a few children
@@mohammedyousef4005 when I say family I mean the ones outside his healthy one
@@adeleaslan8182 well it's not like that circle is very big
I feel like Hades doesnt do anything because he doesnt need to do anything. No matter what, EVERYONE comes into his kingdom at some point or another, so he’s fine with just waiting.
i mean he knows how important his work is
He just chillin
He's super patient
Exactly
Patient :) very nice
Me as a child: Hades is a horrible god
Me as a adult: Hades is a literally the absolute fairest god you could ask for, great husband to his wife and a brow beaten account of dead people and the least problematic and drama-free god
Zeus in the Disney movie Hercules: (Is a noble person that loves his family.)
Zeus in Greek Mythology: I'm legally required to do the Sex Offender Shuffle!
Like seriously. He went and asked the dad's permission when he spotted a girl he liked instead of, I dunno, turning into a swan. The bar is low but stilll
The irony level is off the charts
I know right
Hades has 2 rapes under his belt. Plus he did kidnap Persephone in the first place
Reading some of the Greek myths, I’ve noticed that when a hero goes into the Underworld, Persephone is there. Theseus, Orpheus, Odysseus, and Hercules mention that Persephone is in the Underworld. Either 1. All Greek heroes apparently only visit Hades in winter.
Or 2. Persephone is a Queen of the dead, of course she is going to be there when the heroes appear.
The idea of Persephone having been thought of as a queen of the dead is also supported in that, there aren’t many myths about her NOT being in the Underworld. The beginning of the abduction myth is the only example I am aware of. (If there is one with her being out of the Underworld feel free to let me know.) Of course that doesn’t mean there might have been a myth once that had Persephone out of the Underworld, but that’s not the impression I’m getting from the general mythos.
Sitting here realizing that Hades and Persephone are like a divine cthonic Gomez and Morticia.
That right there is the perfect analogy and how i will imagine them from now on.
@@benjaminlammertz64 Literally came to say this lol
Yes that's how it works
🤣OH MY GOSH YES🤣!!
Thank you.
Everyone learn from Hades’s mistake: do not take advice from your younger siblings
Exactly especially the one that turns to animals to bang girls
@@crawlingboy yeah, that’s not exactly the best love coach to listen to
You know, if he just asked Hestia I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have had anywhere near this much trouble.
@@morganrobinson8042 Totally true!
@@morganrobinson8042 Hestia probably would’ve made a good life coach
Hades: *monotone* "I like... death."
Persephone: *lights up* "OMG! I like death too!" *HUGS* "Now let go back to your place and watch entropy slowly destroy everything your brothers love."
Hades: *smiles* "OK."
how to sum up hades and persephones myth:
Fuckin metal
This comment is so underrated
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Fr 😂
One of my friends is a total mythology nerd and he has ensured we're very aware that Hades was a pretty chill dude compared to his siblings and extended family. Now Poseidon on the other hand, I will always have a personal hatred for
Plot twist! Poseidon and Hades were the same deity all along! Kind of! Maybe!
Why Poseidon?
Edit: I really did not know mythology that well 8 months ago
@@NotMe-vx4vl
Poseidon: All of the hedonism, nonconsensual mortal banging, demented levels of misery inflicted in the name of revenge, and daddy issues of Zeus... With none of the widespread hatred. Poseidon deserves his own league of haters
I’m with you there for hating Poseidon, but I’m adding Zeus to that list.
I never cared much to have an opinion on those two until I had to do a family tree for all the named characters in “The quest for the Golden Fleece”, Zeus and Poseidon are the reason I could do that and I want to strangle them for it
I still believe I wouldn’t have had to make a family tree of roughly 70 people if it wasn’t for those two
@@NotMe-vx4vl Well, apparently his r/p3 game isn't that strong so Caenis one of his many victims wishes to be a man so that she will never suffer through such a traumatic event again. And Poseidon likes to torture sea adventurers based on his many moods.
Why’s no one talking about the art? Red really outdid herself this episode on the gods and their auras contrasting with the others, particularly with the full screen art of Hades with his laurel
I just saw that and it is Gorgeous! Making him look like a desirable husband
I was just thinking about how much I love her art style, and how the status and power of deities is presented so well with the auras, monochrome style and the eyes. And even the little details, like Demeter retaining some green in her eyes even when disguised...
Sometimes I just watch the videos for the art, even if I don't necessarily care about the myth in question
Reds art is probably my favorite depiction of quite a few gods
And the soundtrack is _insane_
You’re right! Red’s artwork is great. The way she draws the gods conveys so much personality.
Hades: "I know I kidnapped you but your dad said I could and I love you"
Persephone: "that's okay it's warm and you have a big dog, I think I'm gonna stay"
Zeus Marriages: Last as long as a knife at 1000 degrees through butter
Hades: NOKIA PHONE
Now before anybody starts a war in the reply section adonis was persephone adopted son no more no less the whole persephone cheated thing was something that Ovid made up and before anybody say's that hades cheated leuce is a Roman exclusive myth that doesn't exist in greek mythology and minthe is hades jealous ex who got turned into a plant after claiming to be better than persephone
As dysfunctional as it may be. Zeus has only had 1 marriage, and is going strong.
And Persephone didn't get the chance to cheat on Hades with her adoptive son Adonis before he was brutally mangled by a boar. Yeah, I read Mohammed's comment, I am just that rebellious.
@@PropiaRealidad Actually, Hera was Zeus’s second wife. He absorbed his first wife (the titaness Rhea I believe), which gave him all the knowledge and wisdom of the world, and led to the birth of Athena after he literally smashed his head open. The reasoning was it was prophesied Rhea would give birth to a god more cunning than Zeus who could threaten his status as King of the gods. Add on top of that the fact Rhea was the whole reason Zeus was able to supplant Kronos in the first place, and yeah, while arguably not on par of his exploits with mortals later, it’s not like Zeus had a reputation of treating the women who he loved with any sort of respect or decency to begin with.
EDIT: I was wrong, Metis was the titaness I was thinking of and she and Zeus were not married. MB.
@@nxdiaz5916 The one you mentioned above is Metis, not Rhea. And they were not technically married, he had an affair with her and after that he absorbed her because he was paranoid that her child would overthrow him.
Now now don't pick on the psychopaths of ancient Greeks especially when said psycho bludgeoned their wet nurse to death before using their skin to depose of a pretty decent guy who other then locking away his kids in an alternative universe because of one of his brothers assery hadn't done much bad.
Would you ever consider doing a video about Demeter? Because it seems like there's an annoying tendency for people to, in order to legitimize Hades and Persephone, characterize Demeter as a horrible mother whom Persephone was glad to escape, which is... so far from the truth.
(Edit: Holy shit that's a lot of thumbs up, I thought this comment was going to get lost in the comments section how did this happen XD)
She wasn't a bad mother, but she was just a smidgen too overprotective and smothering towards her favorite daughter
@@thedragonwarrior5861 That's modern-day reinterpretations, the classic myths make no mention of Demeter as an overbearing mother and actually portray her as a wronged individual whose child was taken and didn't even have the chance to say goodbye to her (something even mortal women at the time were allowed, there was always a transition period for brides to say goodbye to friends and family to make things easier) or make sure she was happy with everything, she was told to just accept it because she couldn't change anything because Zeus said so and she'd never see Persephone again. She does what she does because it's the only thing she could do to exert power in an otherwise powerless situation and the only thing that would possibly make the other gods listen to her. And in the end, while the arrangement still makes her sad, she is happy to at least get half a year with her because she knows it was better than the alternative, and she is satisfied when Persephone tells her herself that she is happy and doesn't have to hear people condescendedly talk down to her about Persephone's situation.
@@Floweramon my bad
@@Floweramon This myth, yes. But, there is a key part in the Myth of Zagreous. Persephone gets perused by multiple gods, including Apollo, Ares, and I believe Hermes. This leads to Demeter going full lockdown mode and hiding Persephone in a cave with dragons and more guarding her. That’s a little overkill I’d say. Hades finds out because caves connect to underworld and from there we get the little god.
Now does this make her wrong for wanting her daughter back when stolen from her? No, she has every right to be. No matter if she was over protective of her daughter, that doesn’t mean she’s wrong to be angered when Zues gives her daughter away without a word to her. But it’s not like it’s not in keeping with the myth for her to be overprotective or want keep her daughter forever.
I think a good compromise is to have a legit reason for her to be worried or controlling. Good example for me is Lore Olympus. She has legitimate reason to hate Hades so she disapproves of him, and is protective of her daughter because there legit are multiple people trying to use her for their own power. Is Demeter overly protective? Yes. Is her fear warranted? Oh definitely. You can show someone being wrong without them being bad.
@@thedragonwarrior5861 lmao I feel you
Not that this entire video isn’t astoundingly captivating, but describing Hades as “the firstborn son of Cronus. The world is his by birth rite and though there is a delay, all become his subject eventually” is so metal and I love it
So out of all three brothers, Poseidon is the one who got the short end of the stick
I know right? The picture to accompany that line just sends chills down my back.
@@user-xq4py3fq2y Middle Brother Syndrome
@@user-xq4py3fq2y not really, everything that moves in and upon all bodies of water(remember what makes up most of the planet?)Are subject to his domain, he’s also a god of storms and can bring about earthquakes hence the title “earth shaker”
I mean Poseidon got 70% of the world, so it not that short
Doesn’t Hades rip open the earth to kidnap Persephone? Sounds like something Poseidon the ‘Earthshaker’ would do. I’m totally down to believe they used to be one god.
It depends on which telling you’re reading. Sometimes Hades kidnaps her, sometimes she wanders down there by herself, sometimes the ground is ripped open to do said kidnapping, etc.
@@rhinopoley She literally says that the oldest version we have has Hades rip the ground open.
My main hypothesis like that is Pandora also used to have a jar of weal, since there's a *pair* of jars in the Iliad, one of weal and one of woe. But Hesiod, black-piller that he was, conveniently wrote that one out, so he could blame everything wrong with the world on women
she already covered where Poseidon's origins come from in a previous video, can't remember off the top of my head, but basically, he was a Chthonic king of the gods which included deaths from earthquakes since that was the "cthonic" part, which is just all the deaths caused from one massive calamity, hence the name earthshaker despite being a god of the ocean. Hades was already his own entity I believe? even if just a very minor one, but I also think he was instead handed the role of kind of the underworld from the original poseidon... i just don't think they were the one and the same god at this point but that's just my theory
Well they were always different gods, even in the mycanaean age, but they were more revered for their earthshaker things, as earth gods were mostly very important in mycanaean mythos. Poseidons earthshaker epithet was also what got him the gig of ruling the underworld. Zeus, for example, did exist but wasn’t really as important, as he was a sky god rather than a chthonic (earth) god. But Poseidon and Hades were as far as I know never one and the same deity like Hermes and Pan were.
Dread Persephone: taking "married to her job" so literally that said job straight up personifies into an Olympian, whose primary character trait is "loves Persephone."
Do note that Hades isn't an Olympian.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 The Olympians are 12 gods, of which Hades isn't one of them.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Hades doesn't live in the Olympus
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Zeus, Hera, Ares, Dionysus, Athena, Apollo, Hermes, Poseidon, Artemis, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Demeter are all Olympians, Hades is absent from the list.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 Whoops, edited it to have the correct number. I forgot Aphrodite.
We need a retelling of the "pastel-goth love story" where Hades is the pastel and Persephone is the goth 😆
With them, story can be telled both ways and thats beautiful
Now hold on, goth colours don’t deny pastels, for they’re beautiful and fleeting. They tend to dirty, but the soiling is quite a “beauty of destruction” kind of vibe. So pastel goth needn’t be two vibes, but one vibe.
Everyone says Hades is evil, when Hades is the only one who doesn't cheat on his wife, and he is, in fact, ONLY DOING HIS JOB!
People forget that Hades while the ruler of the underworld is basically the manager/admin of the place, THANATOS is the legit god of death and peaceful death at that! Hades is literally that guy who is the regional manager of a company with a cute wife and a dog (and their kid Zagerus, he's actually canon as he is in myth either as an aspect of Dionysus or as the son of hades and Persephone the telling vary because greek mythology be whack and retconning shit all over the place)
@@jaderotaski1 well I mean... less manager and more ruler of the largest kingdom to ever exist and ever will exist (considering the place gets thousands of new residents every day and never loses any)
@@meme0taker87 I mean you ain't wrong XD
@KØI_Flow and even then he got screwed into the position by Zeus
Minthe and Leuce : 👀👀👀👀👀
"As first born son of Kronos, the world was his by birthright"
This is such a cool part of his characterization, and I hate it's not explored more in the mythos. I know Hades seems like the guy who wouldn't make a fuss about it, but still...
Always took it that Hades knew his brothers cheated him. But since someone had to do it, he made the best out of his time in the Underworld.
His brothers cheated him but he actually got the better deal. Everyone is his in the end, the seas will eventually dry up and the skies will eventually burn but there will always be an underworld. He is kind of the universe because he will outlast everyone else. That is super fucking metal.
In one version of the myth Hades actually intentionally becomes King of The Underworld, simply because he (wisely) doesn't trust Zeus or Poseidon to do the job properly.
So there's also that... neat.
Also the fact that the underworld isn’t hell, its actually a beautiful place decked with diamonds and jewels. Tartarus is actually hell, why did you think the titans were sent there? Also, a depiction of heaven is in the underworld too which is what the mortals call “Paradise” since only respected deities,greek heroes, or kind nobles go there, thats where Rhea(Titaness and Hades mother) is.
@@TheEman11910 no there wouldn't be since if the seas and sky are gone then humanity as a whole will also be gone and without humans the underworld is kinda pointless and would probably also disapear since death is a human thing without it it can't function properly and looses its purpose it'll probably just dissapear along with humanity or at least abandonded and empty Hades would also lose his job as his entire thing is looking after dead people
Hades: *is actually faithful to his wife, keeps his promises and deals, and is basically the most mature male Olympian
Hollywood: And you’re the villain!
Imagine being faithful to your wife and giving her attention and actual power to what was originally just yours
-this post was made by the Ancient Greek gang
Honestly this could be said to say a lot about the way Hollywood thinks especially about relationships
And they're still confused why no one respects them?
Most? I think you mean Only
It really makes me wonder how many stories are affected by Christianity and other major religions. That’s why to me ancient stories like those of Egypt are so fascinating.
The sad part is Hades isn't an Olympian but a ruler of chthonic deity.
Something tells me Persephone and Hades roles were similar enough to each other to the two societies that the ancient greeks came from, that once their cultures merged the “marriage” was the embodiment of their metaphorical bond.
Broke: Hades, Dreaded King of the Dead and his cute wife, Persephone.
Woke: Persephone, Dreaded Queen of the Dead and her cute husband Hades.
ascended: Hades & Persephone dreaded rulers of the dead and their cute pet Cerbere
And their dog, Spot.
Look up Galadriel and her husband
Basically that dynamic.
I can see where Gomez and Morticia got their idea of a loving couple from, though to be fair, they do love the macabre, and nothing says macabre like the Greek Underworld
house husband hades anyone
Man it sucks that the only respectful god who is loyal to his wife and doesn’t fall in love with every other mortal girl is the most hated. I feel bad for him :(
Yeah, but at the very least James Woods does a hell of a job voicing him. If you're gonna be portrayed as an asshole, might as well be a quality one.
Also he ain't hated so much on his personality or character but more like he represents death and the average human is scared shitless of death and as such why would they want to deal with him.
@@sirgalahad2 Not like he necessarily decides if or how you die. He's just in charge of the place everyone goes to after after they do. One would think people would appease the guy who owns the property you're going to eventually move to in hopes of better accommodations and not be stuck next to your overbearing mother-in-law who constantly ridicules you for not making enough to own a palace she can move into.
@@sirgalahad2 Hades doesn’t represent death, Thanatos does. Hades is just the king of the afterlife.
@@katherine_queen5294 Hades may not explicitly be the god of death but he is ascosiated with the inevitable and in a way he does represent it.
The whole "even though there's a delay, everyone becomes Hades subject eventually." Is metal af. I love it. I also imagine Hades and Persephone being spooky to everyone but they're actually huge dorks when together.
**a subject comes before the Underworld Court**
*"You fear us."*
"I-"
*"Why?"*
*"We carry no weapons. Merely the Scythe. We come only when the time is right. And it is not your time yet."*
**subject is escorted out**
Hades, turning to Persephone: "And the scene at the table with Vi and Caitlyn, that got my heart racing. The little dish scene?"
Persephone, waving her hands with excitement: "OH MY DAD, THAT DISH SCENE?! And the little 'I paid a visit to your girlfriend's house'? That put me so on edge, the uncertainty it was just *so good* because-"
(this goes on for the next thirty minutes as both of them turn in their chairs with the widest damn smiles on their faces)
@@ladywaffle2210 I love that they excused someone from being dead, to go back to living, just talk about their favourites shows with each other.
@@ladywaffle2210 Love the Arcane reference
@@ladywaffle2210 "oh my dad" 🤣
In addition to the original meaning of this quote, you can also say it metaphorically when you apply it to what's happening right now in modern media: everyone starts to like Hades (because people actually did some research and found out that he wasn't a villain)
P.S. I saw your comment before that part of the video, so everyone liking Hades was the first thing that came to mind😅
Demeter: My brother gave some guy the go-ahead to kidnap my daughter.
Ameterasu: Mine threw a dead horse into my living room.
Demeter: ...It's not a contest.
Frigg:“Am I the only Queen of the gods in a healthy relationship?”
@@firemarioproductions2003 GOW Odin: *monkey puppet meme*
@matthewmccoyd2578 Tyr: We're talking about the actual mythology, not the games
@@dreademperor2094 Understandable, have a nice day.
@matthewmccoyd2578 Tyr: Okay, who let GOW Odin in the room?
Ah, Mythology: the only place where your father is your uncle, your mother is your aunt, your uncle is your husband, your niece is your wife, your brother is your son-in-law, your siblings are your parents-in-law, your parents are your siblings-in-law, your step mother is your aunt, your uncles and aunts are your siblings-in-law, your half-sister is your aunt, your half-siblings and cousins are your nephews and nieces, your half brother is a horse; and nothing it's weird at all...
This so the most accurate summary of Greek mythology that I have seen oml
You have practically described the family history of the Habsburgs, or of almost any royal dynasty in Europe or Egypt.
Their family tree is a cork-board with thumbtacks and red string.
You just defied Alabama and Arkansas
I meant defined
"Behold! A text with no primary sources."
*Historian scream of despair and horror."
English teachers everywhere have sunken to anarchy
@Joan Paz Tzeentch gains yet another face!
This makes me want a miscellaneous myths: Demeter now. She was clearly a big figure, but there's next to no popular myths about her. We need more!
the big issue with this is that Demeter and Persephone both are very old goddesses and the more cthonic dieties had their significance systematically stripped away as Greece emerged from the dark ages, so stories could be lost to history
@@tynorstrom2761 I was just thinking of videos strictly devoted to pre-classical Greek mythology.
@@tynorstrom2761 we can read Mycenaean.
@@ryangreen6255 and the Indian myths that are their contemporaries
*PLEASE*
The main one besides this one that I remember is where a guy chops down a sacred forest, so Demeter curses him with never-ending constantly growing hunger, that led to him selling his house, attempting to sell his daughter, though she prayed to poseidon to escape and got turned into a male sailor, and then when he had nothing left to sell, eating himself.
I like to think Hades and Persephone being equal in power is representative on how death is the great equalizer. Everyone is destined to fall under their domain in time, regardless of gender, age, or class
The more i learn about Hades, the more it feels like that's the way the greeks saw death. Something that everyone, eventually, goes through, so it doesn't rush, and it doesn't really do that much besides wait for the moment to come.
Among all the chaos and stuff all the other gods did and caused, Hades did basically nothing, didn't meddle with anyone else; like death, just waiting quietly and peacefully for you to come.
They all still afraid of him tho and sometimes he even make up stories about the underworld to make people cherish their lives in surface
'"Honestly, i rarely saw the point of mortals worshipping me. They were going to come to my realm sooner or later, regardless of what they did. Did they think it would win them leniency in judging their shades?" He shook his head. "That isnt how i operate"'
Dresden files, book 15, Skin Game. Main character actually sits down for a chat with Hades, this is what he says to him.
@@commentlurker3874 it is also because while you can get a favor or be on the good side of some of the other gods, Hades was inexorable. There was nothing they could do to get out of death, gain his favor, or for him to be lenient on them.
@@AznOmega wait he isnt the god of wealth? Pretty sure they pray to him everytime they try to find good or something
Greeks were kinda big on the whole "hubris is bad" thing so it would make sense if they saw death as the ultimate humbler. No matter how great a warrior or king you are you can never escape death, the dude who did try got punished for eternity for it.
Hades has the only stable relationship and named his three headed dog Spot
How can you hate this guy?
He just loves his wife and dog and just wants to do his job
He barely annoys mortals as long as they do not try to do something to mess with the underworld
He is lawful good
Good boi good boi
Good boi
You can't hate Hades. You just can't.
Also Hades is drawn most adorably out of the big three in Red’s videos so...
Demeter: Kore, I’m afraid your grounded until this phase of yours comes to an end!
*Cuts to Persephone wearing black leather clothes and face paint*
Persephone: ITS NOT A PHASE MOM! AND I TOLD YOU, MY NAME IS DESPOINA!
No wonder Hades wife that up
@@willywonka8004
Hey what if the underworld weather originally hers but Zeus kicked her out(well when she was on her off months
And Hades just walks into this and it's like okay
@@anarchomando7707 yea that will funny
I remember reading a comic adaptation of the Hades and Persephone myth where it is in fact interpreted as Persephone staying in the underworld to rebel against her mom.
@@Silverwind87 And this is how it go down
Demeter: ZEUS WHY THE F*CK IS OUR DAUGHTER IN THE UNDERWORLD!?
Zeus: don't worry she with hades
Demeter: IF YOU DON'T GET HER RIGHT NOW I WILL KILL EVERYTHING YOU LOVE!
Zeus: fine I will go get her
in the underworld
Zeus: Hey hades you need gave Persephone back
Hades: yea sure but I don't she will like that
Persephone: FEAR MEEEEEEEEEEEE
It occurs that the thing with the pomegranate seeds can be written off as a moment of weakness on Hades' part - the only point in this story, and perhaps the only point in the mythology ever, where he acts as impulsively as Zeus does.
And I’m still like 40% sure he was lying out of his ass
Like I’m pretty sure they came up with it together
@@koathekid8255 Hard to tell, but not an impossible read considering it being a trick is part of a story in a hymn to *Demeter,* who would obviously want to believe Persephone wanted to return to her full time, and that Persephone's main response to being in the underworld would be missing her. We obviously don't have any earlier sources of the myth, but if any of the versions of the myth ever were told in a framing of praying to Hades or Persephone, odds are the story would hew at least a bit closer to the pomegranate seeds being an excuse they used to remain together, rather than an act of deception, unless it being a deception was the exclusive version of the story told.
For anyone curious about how Zeus and Hera shacked up: Zeus tried seducing her but she didn't want him, he disguised himself as an injured swan to get her to drop her guard, and then he raped her. The marriage was because Hera was the goddess of family and would only lay with her husband, and due to said rape that ends up being Zeus. What a great guy. I'm going to replay God of War 3 just to beat him to death again.
He does the swan thing a lot, doesn't he?
That was such a satisfying end to a fantastic boss fight.
@@DariusKetchum2010 He changes into many animals to rape women. He transformed into a bear and raped one of Artemis's hunters and got her pregnant.
@@alexandralugo1743 wait even Artemis' hunters? Zeus YOU HAVE A WIFE! What does wife even mean to him? "Sentient fleshlights"?
@@LucasSantos-ss6ou true. But that still leaves the question. What does wife mean to him?
Fun fact: Ares is the only god with no rape stories. In fact he killed Poseidon’S son for raping is daughter.
good guy ares
Angy but good
Angy, but lawful angy
I think it was attempted but he stopped him in time...by killing him. And was put on trial for it. Ares is the best.
I mean, his moral position isn't _perfect_ either, what with the whole affair with Aphrodite and all, but yeah, thumbs up for taking consent seriously
Everyone's talking about Hades loving Persephone because she's secretly terrifying, which gives me the headcanon that Persophone, as goddess of the spring created the damaging, deadly or carnivorous plants like nettles, nightshade and venus flytraps.
You know what they say about Mother Nature.
@@Silverwind87 she's an absolute bi- *thunderclap*
As someone who gets allergies that last from about march until mid-august, I completely agree with the greeks making someone connected to spring pull a double shift as the queen of the underworld.
Now I'm imagining Persephone coming back to the underworld with a bouquet of Hemlock, Nightshade and maybe a couple Venus Fly Traps.
Ah nettles, the most surprisingly terrifying plant of all. If you want a fun time, figure out where nettles get most of their nutrients from, it'll blow your mind.
"Cite your sources or admit you don't have any" Just found your channel again after a few years, and i remember why I love it so much. You are the best! Thank you for keeping things as true to the citable history as you can. I appreciate you and all the knowledge I've gained from your channel!
As a woman in ancient greece you usually had 2 options:
1. You get impregnated by a god and then chased to death by monsters, other gods and/or your own child
2. There is no second option
I mean, there's the "your story isn't told" option. And there are your occasional Arachnes and Atalantas, of course, but they're notable because of their rarity.
What about the Cult of Artemis option?
Umm... What about Penelope, queen of Itaca?
I know this is the exception, not the norm.
You could marry a hero. Tends to go similarly to the god thing but you might get lucky, like Penelope or Andromeda.
Truth be told, the game was rigged from the start.
So: Even the "worst" thing Hades ever did (kidnaping Persefone) was really Zeus Idea... Sounds about right.
the worst thing he ever did to Persephone was trick her into eating a fruit that
made her return to the underworld for a third of the year because he was scared
that she would never come back, but compare that to all the other fates that
had bestowed on all the other god's mistresses and wives it really is a good deal
and hades actually loves and respects her. Hell she probably would've returned
to hades even without the need of the fruit because she really did like him, she literally
crushed a nymph to death the minute it tried to seduce hades, they love each other.
What about the time when he tied down Theseus and Pirthous to a couple of chairs with snakes for trying to kidnap Persephone?
@@bluelightstudios6191 y u type like that
@@h0m3st4r i feel like Hades' response "binding them to a chair in hell for eternity" to people trying to kidnap his wife in his own home while he's there is kinda justified.
@@azekiel2114 A fair point, considering that those were the only two people whose lives he ever messed up.
Hades: * is the only Greek deity that loves his wife, doesn’t cheat, does gummy is job well and doesn’t go out of his way to cause drama, and is the only one that doesn’t rape mortal women for no reason*
The rest of the pantheon: weird but okay
Modern day peeps: SATAN
If hades is satan we could use some more satan in our lives.
Bringing Obama into this was a weird flex, but okay.
Actually, he did cheat only twice though (At least there’s only two famous one). Minthe (Later on became the Mint plant we know and Leuce (A white tree in the underworld, pretty sure). Still better than other gods tho.
Basically hades had a couple of bad dates and said I love my wife too much
@@kxqinny8813 Minthe was in some versions transformed by Persephone to get her to bugger off. Leuce probably met a similar fate. And whether they threw themselves at her husband or he tried it and failed is another question. Regardless, no bastard children of Hades and the victim of the week.
13:08 "That is too many horses. Put those back." Got my giggling
Vaush be like:
there relationship is just the "gothic sweetheart x pastel ball of repressed anger" trope
Yup the augment is who's who!
@@caracrotalus Yes
I can't decide which one am i in this combo
Hmmm
Is there a shorter-name version of this trope lol
@@justsomeone2303 yeah it's called deadly cutie and softie Scary
Hades: *has an incredibly functional relationship with his wife, especially considering the intensely patriarchal time frame*
Historians: Literal satan????
Sometimes historians have a BuzzFeed moment
Pandora's the opposite. Hesiod's version, which is the only surviving one, is *insanely* misogynistic, but historians gloss over that. Although I do specify *Hesiod's*, because there are arguments for the existence of a previous, less misogynistic version.
Welcome to Christianity, boys and girls. "All of your gods are really just our god, you just didn't know it. Except...um...that one. Yeah, that one. He's actually Satan and will now forever be associated with evil whether you like it or not, or we'll kill you and tell everyone we were just purifying your soul. Also, all of your holy days are now ours. See ya!"
Man, when you put it like that it actually makes _more_ sense. Of course the religion that says Eve was created from part of a man (for varying reasons, ranging from very to not at all misogynistic) and is responsible for plucking the apple, would demonize a god who treats a woman as a person and not an object.
@@Jikkuryuu Actually, Genesis is extremely tame compared to Hesiod. Genesis has man and woman being created at the same time, and even uses a word (ezer) to describe Eve that's typically reserved for divine help. Meanwhile, Hesiod alleges an entire all-male utopia before the creation of woman, and that woman was specifically created as a punishment for Prometheus having stolen fire
The biggest lie that Disney ever told was that Zeus has a happy "family man" XD
Trueeeeee
More like a man of many families
Hades is the only happy family man
@@strawberry_silk3364 him and Eros
I mean? technically its true, he has alot of families!
Take this account with a grain of salt:
Early on in my practice of Wicca, at the point where Persephone was already firmly established as my Matron goddess and I had started doing work with Hades, I communed with my gods while on a call with my friends and drawing fanart for a game I like. I was asked by Persephone what I was doing, and I told her I was drawing. She said, and I quote, "That's adorable. When you die, I'm going to keep you." I literally got a chill down my spine.
That's how you know she has taste
Enjoy the underworld. At least you'll be in good hands
Aww, that’s SWEET!
She’s gonna dote on you!
Good on you, you're going to have a good afterlife
Bro you’re all set for the afterlife
The most stable and functional relationship amongst the Greek gods: one where the couple only see each other for about a third of each year.
Well they do say absence makes the heart grow fonder
There's an even better one, albeit they give birth to monsters.
Typhon and Echidna.
You gotta have a good and stable relationship when you have a long distance relationship for a good portion of the year
Long-distance relationships can work --Hades
Sometimes half!
5:45 where Helios mentions that Persephone could do worse with a choice of husbands and that bit where
"As firstborn son of Kronos the world was his by birthright and even if there's a delay everyone becomes his subject eventually."
That's METAL
Not to mention when Demeter asks him who was responsible, his answer is “Oh, totally Zeus”
That bit was so cool ngl
@@peternickle1884
And then they go to Zeus and he says
"But Demeter.... I gave him permission it's less of kidnapping and more a arranged marriage"
Winter time later: "why aren't the crops growing and people dying?"
"desperate to escape the consequences of his own actions" was the bit that got me
"He is the most powerful of us all, and he either has no idea, or is hoping that we don't realize."
So... what you're saying is that Hades is Persephone's trophy husband with the awesome dog?
Exactly that 😂
Yes
Why does this sound like the plot of a greek themed femenist movie?
Then again he is kind of that way in the cartoon tv series class of titans. Its good I recommend it. I wasn't sure of the way they represented hades at first but it grew on me thier a cute couple.
THIS. THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE
its worth noting the angle that back then, daughters went to live with their husbands family & rarely saw their parents anymore, & that Demeter's characterization would have recalled the grief of such a separation in the original cultural context.
I'm not sure how much that really applies here because Persephone's parents' family and her husband's family are one in the same
Other Gods: *Doing stuff*
Hades: "TV's gotten like crazy good lately"
Persephone: “I know right.”
Cerberus left head: Ruff
Cerberus Right head:Ruff
Cerberus middle head: BORK!
@@emperior5710 "Herakles, can you take Spot out for a walk? I'm in the middle of a show."
Hades: Ultimate Goth Introvert Shut-In
He's even got a loving wife. We should all be so lucky.
@@Bluecho4 Ikr? Hades is so much like me. My life goal is to found a Persephone for me.
(That didn't sound right, did it?)
I imagine Hades being a goth, while Persephone is a pastel goth.
Ooooow XD that’s actually cute
Or good girl dates bad boy and eventually goes bad girl
😎
We love to see it
OMG THAT IS THE BEST THING EVER
MY EYES HAVE BEEN BLESSED 🥺✨💗💕
She'd be a bohemian
"He doesn't go out and do stuff" Hades introvert confirmed.
He never goes to party too lol
I mean, with all his siblings, would you like to hang out with them? Athena was the only other cool one.
@@ScipioMexicanus And she's not even one of the siblings. She's the nerdy niece.
He just stays inside curled up in a blanket burrito with Cerebus watching Sisyphus continuously fail to push his boulder up hill.
@@bluesbest1 He must be so proud of his niece. That must be why he let her borrow the furies when she needed a legal team.
Demeter: helps out a local ruler while trying to bring her daughter out of the underworld, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered
Isis: helps out a local ruler while trying to restore her brother to life, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered
Coincidence?
I THINK NOT!!!
No, much like the Romans would later do to the Greeks, The Greeks had done to the Egyptians.
Voldemort: I’m so scary that no one wants to speak my name.
Persephone: That’s cute.
Persephone: AMATEURS.
Persephone: I'm so scary no one _knows_ my name!
Lol
The Old gods seem like the type to just casually whisper to mortals "say my name 3 times into the mirror at your next gathering, it'll be a really fun time".
And then Typhon gets summoned at the next Dionysius' picnic.
Hades: *pats his head* you'll get to our level someday kid
Every single Persephone: All shall fear me.
Hades: Hello
Persephones:*blushes by the cuteness* He's perfect.
They are the most adorable couple in the whole mythology!
@@josephusleanos1082 You're adorable too.
@@danninmatthews5640 *Blushes* Oh you UwU
@@josephusleanos1082 Aw shucks.
I love this~
Don't know why, but for some reason I can see a well intentioned Hades coming to Zeus for romantic advice and then Zeus straight up tells him to kidnap Persephone as a means of proposing to her.
Exactly! He thought his brother had "Experience" in that department since he got laid so often.
Poor, innocent baby. Got led astray by a bad influence. Tsk tsk.
Hades: I was so in love with you, so I went to my brother to ask for help, &-
Persephone: Wait, wait, wait. You took relationship advice... from _Zeus?!_
Hades: ... I recognize my mistake.
I like to think he meant to ask Hestia and had JUST missed her and Zeus was the only other person in the room at the time of Hades asking for advice
@@quiethere45 I think that depends on just how quickly he was planning on banging Persephone. If it was an asap matter, Zeus would be the one to go to. If it's about actually winning her over first, then I think Hestia would probably be the best option.
@@quiethere45 This is coming from a big fan of Hestia, but why on earth would Hades ask her? Hestia is a virgin goddess that rejected *TWO* marriage proposals, from Poseidon and Apollo, and vowed to stay a virgin forever, and is specifically mentioned to be immune to the powers of Aphrodite. Hades went to Zeus because Zeus was Persephone's father, sweet and simple. And could we just stop the whole "Zeus is Satan" please? It's kinda getting out of hand. Zeus didn't outright tell Hades to kidnap Persephone, he just gave him his permission and blessing.
Hades was feared in Ancient Greece for a reason, like Red said: Underworld Deities were super scary.
I always love how shocked people are to learn how mostly benevolent Hades actually is compared to the rest of the Pantheon.. also just food for thought to everyone.. it’s PERSEPHONE who persuades Hades after Orpheus moves him with music.
Given how Hades is in other stories, he probably wanted to do it anyway but was reluctant because it blatantly goes against his entire job description
@@pokeyscorpion8224 Also depends on the version. Some versions had Hades there alone that week, so Hades alone made the call to let Orpheus go for it. Which in that version one might even argue the rule about turning back was a stipulation to appease Persephone once she got back, since she wasn't present to be moved by Orpheus's performance as he had been. Obviously, in versions where they were both present they were both at least somewhat moved, because Orpheus was the best musician in Greece, although the one who cracked first in those stories is more often Persephone.
It is interesting how Hades himself probably didn't exist before the Greek Dark Age, but later he is the Kronos's first-born and the world belongs to him by birthright. Talk about a grand entrance.
That might just be a nice little parallel between Greek, Christian and Egyptians. Hades, Osiris, Christ all showing up as firstborn sons of their religion's greatest deities and all three just happen to have connections with the underworld. It might have been that all three were affecting each other in the same way but with different after-effects later down the road.
and he also gets the pre-existing queen of the underworld as his wife
hades is a mary sue
@@MysticKenji2 No, he has a character flaw.
He asked *Zeus* of all people for romantic advice.
Kinda like Hela's entrance in Thor: Ragnarok
Its possible that proto greeks had the younger son inherit the throne. We see that constantly in their gods. The youngest son of Chaos, Ouranos, is usurped by his youngest son, Kronos, is usurped by his youngest son Zeus.
Ok, so Basically,
Persephone: Is Scary
[On his knees] Hades: Let me build a Home for you. We'll get a dog and name him Spot. I'll watch your back while you shred your enemies.
Awww such nice vows of love. Ya know from a typical faithful person this should be followed!
“The throne of Olympus is his by birthright.”
That completely justifies him in Disney’s Hercules if you ask me, or at the very least, seriously changed the narrative. It’s no longer about a usurper being fended off, it’s about the crown prince being disposed. TWICE.
Until you remember he tried to have his baby nephew murdered.
@@JaelinBezel Child murder isn’t exactly new for the gods, to be fair. Especially Hera... Besides, even if it is about a disposed prince, it is still a story about the game of thrones; filicide amongst other underhanded tactics are all par for the course.
@@JaelinBezel yeah, but the assassination attempts are put on him by Disney, the OG Hades never did that.
@@Baronnax but that’s the version I’m condemning.
@@JaelinBezel bruh, that's like shitting on Robin Hood for being a furry because you saw him in the Disney movie.
If Poseidon originally filled Hades's role while also being Persephone's dad, could the original story have been something more like a custody battle?
That sounds extremely plausible ngl
I like how the "oldest" son of Chronos is the only one to not exist as an individual during Mycanean Greece.
I suspect the reason was that Hades _was_ Zeus. Poseidon may be King of the Gods then, but either there's an older chthonic god who secretly outranked or predated him and fathered proto-Dionysus whose aspect Zeus absorbed or Hades was an aspect of Zeus he had to shed to make him a more palatable Lord of Heaven than Poseidon.
Kronos with a "k"
Hades could also be an aspect of Poseidon Zeus had to take over to become King of the Gods and some of the stories got tied to him instead as a result of it.
I also suspect that the reason Zeus was made king was because he was originally like Thor in function. He's a champion of humanity and a slayer of monsters. And as a rain god he became increasingly more important for a people becoming more agricultural. He hangs out with mortals, either tricking them or seducing them and there's just soo many stories about him and has children in so many places because everyone _wanted_ to be connected to him in some way. Zeus was Mr. Popular.
So maybe the Ancient Greeks went "We love Zeus the best. We worship him the most. Why not just make him King of Heaven instead of that spooky death-god with a trident?" So they made it happen. They took out the pieces of Poseidon that Zeus needed to be king and if Poseidon or Zeus had aspects they thought were too spooky they spun those off into Hades, "the other Zeus", and also made Poseidon weaker as a result. The misogynistic Greeks also got a male-god trinity out of the deal instead of an "icky-one-male-two-female" one like a proper civilization.
My other theory is that the Dionysus story is one of those that had to be attached to Zeus because I get the feeling that whoever fathers/fathered the God of Wine is the True King of Heaven. Because Dionysus is subtly characterized in some stories as the one destined to be the next king of the gods. The heir. The guy who gets to be the guy in charge come the next big family crisis. The guy who replaces his father. The guy characterized as a popular conqueror who enchants every place his cult touches. And since Dionysus was originally an insanely powerful death-and-madness-earth-god it makes better sense for him to be born to two death-and-madness-earth-gods rather than a sky god and a mortal.
@@Borderose That would make sense, and would justify the idea that a) Hades was the oldest, and b) all of that talk about how being king of the gods is his "Birthright." It would actually explain a lot.
@@rlchamp7019 Yeah, sorry, I wasn't sure if that was the spelling or not.
"The one who receives many guests" has to be the most badass epithet in the entire mythos
HECK YES
_Polydegmon._ Title referencing the Greek god Hades who, as king of his own realm, is adherent to the practice of _xenia,_ which holds that kings especially are due to treat any new arrivals with the proper respect as well as provide them neccessary provisions and entertainment.
@@Boss_Isaac That's actually awesome. Hades, being king of the dead, must show all of the dead the same hospitality that a mortal king would (at the time) be expected to show his guests in real life. Making him actually a pretty decent guy, especially by comparison to, say, Zeus.
@@ReySilverskin
This also extends to Hades' own treatment of Persephone, who is not depicted as being mistreated as she'd be considered a guest in his domain. Zeus, as king of the gods, was also beholden to the practice, as seen in the myth of Ixion.
Ixion in Greek myth was the first individual to murder someone but was purified of the guilt, and later invited by Zeus to Olympos. As his host, Zeus saw that Ixion was respected and given any provisions he'd need like food and drink, but as guest, Ixion is expected to give Zeus the same courtesy - except what your host gives you and do not harm them and their belongings.
Ixion sees Hera and he becomes attracted towards her, making advances on the goddess when Zeus is out of sight. Hera later informs her husband of this and Zeus, wanting to give Ixion the benefit of the doubt and not violate _xenia_ by punishing Ixion without evidence, decides to test him.
He forms a duplicate of Hera from cloud and inroduces Hera-B to Ixion, who takes her and rapes her. Zeus sees this and, enraged that Ixion violated the sanctiy of _xenia_ and assault his host's wife, graps him and ties him to a wheel which he sends hurling across the heavens, to spin for eternity. Other sources depict Zeus immediately striking him down with lightning.
So Hades is depicted as the devil while in reality he just wants to chill with his Eldritch Abomination wife and Multiheaded Dog Spot
I love this
The devil who in fact isn't even on hell, because he walks free on Earth tempting humanity as like he's breathing.
@@carlosroo5460 Good point. Feels rather weird to talk about Satan in a mythology section though.
And what devil analogies? All souls, whether good or evil went to the Underworld. It was not Hell. It had sections according to how you were judged. He was basically the manager of the whole afterlife!!!
@@fictionlover2064 Now I can't stop imagining Hades sitting in a room, punching stamps left and right, Paper Please style.
Hades: I don't know if I can do this after all. How do I even approach her?
Zeus: Don't worry so much, brother. Just go to her and sweep her off her feet!
Hades: *proceeds to literally sweep Persephone off her feet via chariot*
Zeus:“Bout time that boy got a girlfriend!”
Hades: “I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!” He’s freaking out.