Miscellaneous Myths: Hades and Persephone
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You asked, I've answered! Today let's discuss greek mythology's most beloved AND most maligned relationship - but which reputation is truly deserved? You all know where I stand on the matter, but today I'll do my best to justify my hot take that Hades And Persephone Is Romantic Actually.
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“Don’t speak her name, you might get her attention” is a terrifying concept.
don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it
@@gothnerd887 it’s less terrifying if the things name is “the bye bye man”. An ancient goddess of death, the dread Persephone? Scary. The bye bye man? Sesame Street character.
@@noelhann5262 The Mistress? Horrifying. The Girl(Kore)? Meh
@@noelhann5262 I mean that’s actually kinda menacing depending on what tone you say it in. Just imagen a little kid saying “I saw the bye bye man he says hi mommy!”
@@noelhann5262 I know right, the only reason I remember that movie is Phelous
Ahhh Hades. The God of Minding His Own Business.
🤣🤣🤣
Honestly. He’s content to do his job and spend time with his wife. Whatever tomfuckery his brothers get up to is not his business.
Hades: GREAT MORE PAPER WORK IT'S NOT LIKE WANT TO SEND TIME WITH MY WIFE AND KIDS NOPE I HATE MY FAMILY THANK GUYS I LOVE WORK
@@aprilsanders7092
Remember that time the Olympians decided to cause a global flood and kill off all of humanity save for a select few favorites of theirs, causing Lord Hades to be stuck to his ears in paperwork for several millennia in his attempts to account for the hundreds of thousands of unburied people?
God of "kindly GET OUT OF MY LAWN, please sir"
Not that this entire video isn’t astoundingly captivating, but describing Hades as “the firstborn son of Cronus. The world is his by birth rite and though there is a delay, all become his subject eventually” is so metal and I love it
So out of all three brothers, Poseidon is the one who got the short end of the stick
I know right? The picture to accompany that line just sends chills down my back.
@@user-xq4py3fq2y Middle Brother Syndrome
@@user-xq4py3fq2y not really, everything that moves in and upon all bodies of water(remember what makes up most of the planet?)Are subject to his domain, he’s also a god of storms and can bring about earthquakes hence the title “earth shaker”
I mean Poseidon got 70% of the world, so it not that short
I have a headcanon that immediately after Hades kidnapped Persephone, he was SUPER awkward. Like, “Ummm… Hi? I’m Hades… You’re very pretty… Wanna meet my dog?”
Persephone: dog? yes.
And that, as they say, was that.
He SA’d her in the original myth 💀
"I have a massive puppy with three heads"
I honestly have a head canon where is she also has some three headed plant to match Cerberus
"He also takes a moment to ask Persephone not to be sad. As his wife, she'll be a queen of queens, ruler of the dead, and highest among the goddesses, and meanwhile, he will work to be the best husband he can be for her."
awwww
Aww, indeed. The Homeric _Hymn to Demeter_ reads as follows, translated by Dr. Cora Angier Sowa:
_Thus Hermes spoke, and Aïdoneus, lord of those below, smiled with a lift of his eyebrows, and did not disobey the orders of King Zeus. He quickly bade wise Persephone, “Go, Persephone, to your dark-robed mother, keeping in your heart a kind disposition and feeling, and do not be too exceedingly despondent. I shall not be an unfitting husband for you among the immortals, own brother of your father Zeus. Being here, you will rule over everything that lives and moves, and you will have the greatest honors among the immortals. For those who do you wrong there will be punishment for ever, whoever does not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing your rites, paying the proper gifts.” Thus he spoke. Wise Persephone rejoiced, and she quickly started up from joy._
Aww so cute.
Hades?
Wh-what are you doing with those pomegranate seeds?
HADES!
@@primordialsun, I'm all aboard them being a snack he gave her for the road, and she's the one who made up the "yep, totally have to go back for that many months every year, Mom. Magically binding and all that." Then mutters under her breath, "as if MARRIAGE wasn't more binding than some stupid snack food." Elsewhere, Hera, goddess of marriage, has a sudden urge to go give Persephone a hug.
@@segevstormlord3713 According to the story, the pomegranate seeds were the reason she was bound to the underworld, but it would be hilarious if that was just something Persephone made up to justify staying with Hades.
@@primordialsun That's what the game surmised.
Plot twist: Demeter was just sending more subjects to them as a wedding gift.
This, this is amazing
Knowing the Greek Gods, I could totally see her combining her sulking with the wedding present.
Naah hades would hate it bec it’s too much work hahahaha
So much paperwork though
I didn't say he'd like the present.
I like to imagine that the Hades/Persephone myth is what started the custom of leaving flowers at graves. Basically, an offering to the former flower/spring goddess, and current queen of the underworld, to earn her husband's favor. Or maybe, they're offerings made to Hades so he can then give them to Persephone as gifts.
Aww so cute 💕 😍
Yes please
although creative, sadly Persephone was not the goddess of spring, however she was apparently a nature goddess so this theory still holds water.
This is adorable
@@snowyvoidproductionsxx and this is a surprise
So, in conclusion: Hades & Persephone are mythology’s Gomez & Morticia Addams 🖤
YES!
YESSIR
@@galaxypat247 YESSIR chain
What would Dionysus be in the myths of him being their son? Cause I'm getting original Wednesday Adams vibes from him, like 1960's Wednesday Adams with her pet octopus and what not lol
... *makes compare and contrast notes*
Yup you are correct
You can tell Persephone was a big frickin' deal because when they had to give her a husband, they gave her the only Olympian who drinks Respect Women Juice.
Specifically the only male Olympian who fits that description. The female Olympians seem to mostly be pretty good.
@@deanholderde5959 I mean hera and aphrodite are not the best
@@cawcaw508 Athena wasn't great to other women either. Well, depends whose version of the stories but Medusa and Arachne might have some opinions
If I am not mistaken, Aires is also one of the least rapey gods.
@@darkishphoenix yeah but there are more stories with hera and aphrodite screwing girls over and artemis made someone fall in love with a bear so let's just all agree that most of the olympians were dicks
So basically
Persephone: Babe, someone's talking shit, hold my flower
Hades: Go kick their ass baby, I got your flower
And she does. Without dropping her gentle demeanor. There's murderous rampage scary and then there's calm methodical savage destruction scary. Persephone is the latter
I love this
Awww so cute
@@marrie2126 yes
@@reyonXIII yep
When you remember that Demeter and Hades are siblings, this makes the Helios pitch hilarious to me.
Helios: "Oh, he's a great guy, king of the Underworld. She could do worse."
Demeter: "😐 You're really going to stand there and dictate MY BROTHER'S resume to me?"
Helios: I mean... yeah... you've noticed how much of godly marriage is just pure incest because of the low generation count, right? I think we've got like, 5, maybe 6 generations if we count Nyx and Chaos as one before Gaia and Ouranos, and if we start counting that we've got the fact that Ouranos and all the other primordials of that generation not named Gaia are technically all her sons, so... yeah. Quite frankly, neice to uncle is kinda tame by our standards at this point. A further gap would be nice, but if it had to be one of your brothers, at least it's neither of the ones that r$ed you on a beach because they thought it was fun. Plus, this is the first time he's shown genuine interest in a girl from what I've heard, there's a very small chance he might actually be faithful to her without needing to have marriage in his list of domains.
@@theendersmirk5851
Demeter:...That doesn help! Also hello?
Helios:...fair enough.
Later
Zagreus:...so uh. The snow will be gone now that things...stopped,right?
Than:knowing demeter? ...maybe.
Zagreus:yeah. ...wonder how mel is doing.
@@lolbots686
Helios: See, the worst that happened is because you and Hades are stubborn you trade which section of the world Persephone is in, this is honestly the least toxic relationship I've seen between any of you Olympians unless we count Ares and Aphrodite, which the main reason to discount it is the fact it's technically cheating on Hephaestus because of that stupid mess with Zeus and Aphrodite trying to seduce everyone to cause them to fight over her because she's made of Ouranos's... you know, and sea water... man that recontextualizes how much us males were wanting her that first day, huh? Sorry, off topic. Point being, it isn't exactly a normal relationship, but outside of non Kronos Titan relationships that's about as good as you were likely to get. Y'all get really toxic.
Why do I feel like Demeter’s status as Zeus and Hades’s sister was a retcon?
Demeter and Zeus are also siblings and they just HAD A CHILD TOGETHER and even with Hades trying to marry his niece Persephone
I’m running a Greek mythology d&d campaign where Persephone is the main villain. In it she’s trying to kill Zeus so Hades will become the new king. Not for power, but because she loves Hades and thinks he would be a much better king of the gods that Zeus(which he would probably. He shows mercy to mortals. He does his duty. And HE DOESNT FUCK EVERY WOMAN HE SEES. He is faithful to Persephone)
The way I would just be like: hold on.... she's got a point? Maybe hear her out?¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'll do you one better.
Make us help her.
I would be a fan if you made Persephone the twist BBEG using the common assumption that she is the most innocent and harmless goddess of the bunch
i would love it if they could help kill zeus because fuck him
edit: i accidentally said help zeus lol
Ummm... that's not the villain... that's the hero.
When the “bad guy” has the most functional relationship
Depends on which adaption you used
I mean he isn’t even a bad guy lol because the underworld isn’t equal to hell
@@NoName-dx1no yea, that’s why I put it in quotes,
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure in the "original"/older myths, Hades was a good person who minded his business. Heck, he was a better ruler than Zeus apparently. The only thing he did wrong was kidnap his wife which was normal back then so it was still a W for him. Although recent adaptions kinda f*cked up his character and now he's just... 👀
@@goaway4625 well the kidnapping was adviced by Zeus so its also his fault
Fun fact: Ares is the only god with no rape stories. In fact he killed Poseidon’S son for raping is daughter.
good guy ares
Angy but good
Angy, but lawful angy
I think it was attempted but he stopped him in time...by killing him. And was put on trial for it. Ares is the best.
I mean, his moral position isn't _perfect_ either, what with the whole affair with Aphrodite and all, but yeah, thumbs up for taking consent seriously
Honestly, I like to think that Hades only even kidnapped Persephone in the first place because he literally _had NO IDEA_ how to actually court someone. It's important to realize that Hades was the firstborn of Kronos' children, and he spent his entire childhood isolated in Kronos' guts with only his siblings (besides Zeus) for company. Meaning that Hades was actually _incredibly_ socially stunted and he never learned how to properly engage in romance.
This would explain why Hades abducts her, which is usually a sign of cruelty, yet he is easily the best husband out of all the Greek gods. Hades definitely knows how to treat Persephone right once they become a couple (shower her with gifts, offering her the jewels and gems of the underworld, making her his equal queen in ruling the place), but nobody ever taught him how courtship and dating is supposed to work, so he ended up skipping past the "Hey, wanna go out sometime?" phase and straight to the "Let's rule the underworld together for eternity!" phase.
Honestly, Hades in Greek mythology canon is actually more tragic than anything else. Hades spent his entire childhood in the dark and stinky pits of Kronos' stomach. Then, when Hades finally escapes and helps Zeus to defeat Kronos and the Titans, Hades ends up spending even more centuries in the dark and lonely pits of the underworld while his brothers get to frolic and screw around in the bright and shiny Olympus, and he only had the Furies/Erinyes and Cerberus for company down there. Whether Persephone was an innocent uwu flower girl or a terrifying queen of darkness, she was probably the first person to make Hades experience love for the first time and gave light to his lonely dreary life (unlike the shallow flings that the other gods get into).
So, it's completely understandable that the first time Hades meets someone who makes him feel this way after centuries of cold loneliness, his lack of education about romance leads him to the most direct and simple path possible: kidnap, then marriage, then side-by-side ruling. Even the pomegranate fits into this, because it could easily be Hades' refusal to go back to a lonely and dark existence in favor of the love-filled warmth that only Persephone can bring him.
I love this interpretation!
Aww cute 💕
Hades being a socially awkward guy kinda fits, honestly. But I kinda prefer the suaveness of Disney's and Nintendo's Hades'
@@cobaltordinaire5219 Perhaps he learned the suave to better impress her and make her giggle?
@@cobaltordinaire5219 make Thanatos act like that, he was the guy that actually dragged people down to the underworld
Something clicked when I saw the Underworld referred to as the "House Of Hades", and now I need a fantasy story where Hades IS the Underworld and Persephone is its caretaker
Agreed.
Maybe even a courtroom drama where a mortal (let's say Orestes) proves that Hades is innocent and all the other gods (save for Athena, Eros, and Psyche) are guilty and the plot twist is that Persephone MADE Hades in a plant to thwart Zeus's conspiracy of dethroning Her from being the #1 god.
Basically, Persephone was the real underworld deity and Firstborn of Kronos, thus all would be hers in the end. Zeus (being the sexist rapist that he is) didn't like this, erased her memories, and shaped reality into one where he can bang whoever he wants. Fortunately, Persephone had a backup plan and, in her absence, Hades the very underworld itself was brought to life and started the whole kidnap plot to get the trial started. In the end Hades opts to go back to being unalive but Persephone tells him she loves him and they are married for real.
I think there was a comic book with that take.
Is that a fancy way of saying you want to see Persephone inside Hades?
There's probably a Percy Jackson fanfiction about that
In D&D, there is a plane called Hades, but it is only one of the many underworlds.
I am not entirely sure if Persephone rules it though.
Broke: Hades, Dreaded King of the Dead and his cute wife, Persephone.
Woke: Persephone, Dreaded Queen of the Dead and her cute husband Hades.
ascended: Hades & Persephone dreaded rulers of the dead and their cute pet Cerbere
And their dog, Spot.
Look up Galadriel and her husband
Basically that dynamic.
I can see where Gomez and Morticia got their idea of a loving couple from, though to be fair, they do love the macabre, and nothing says macabre like the Greek Underworld
house husband hades anyone
"This abduction was sponsored by Zeus!"
At this point, I'm not surprised.
So aliens worship Zeus?
I honestly thought she'd say that this abduction is sponsored by raid shadow legends.
Honestly, like, 7/10 things that went wrong in ancient Greece can be traced back to Zeus in some way... The dude was a walking origin story for just about everything.
@@xboxcrusher Correction, 9/10
@@juliarivera6071
Well, Poseidon and Apollo got up to their fair amount of shenanigans, too.
Things to remember:
1) Hades was the OG Malewife
2) Persephone was a Pastel Flower Queen and a Lovecraftian Goddess all at once, we have to stan
3) Ancient Greece wrote the OG My Little Pony fanfics but with Greek gods
What
Pastel ?
This comment stabbed me 28 times
@@thewall4069*table smack* TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS!
4) Global warming is dementer getting over her kid
It’s probably worth noting that gods of the harvest (like Demeter and Persephone) are often very closely linked to gods of the dead, because the harvest is really just a sacred cycle of death and rebirth.
im late but exactly this!! persephone’s association with spring falls into this cycle as well with spring being her representation of renewal/rebirth, and her descent into the underworld being death, decay, destruction.
it’s all about death and rebirth but modern times paint it as like contradictory things when they both go hand in hand
Y’know, that actually kind of explains the phrase “reaping souls”. If you think about it that way, the soul is the crop, and when a person dies, it’s reaped. *Harvested,* if you will.
@@YouveBeenMeggedwhich is why the grim reaper is usually dipicted with a scythe/sickle
Osiris
@@namelessghost8473 Osiris is a god of the dead, I´m not sure if the egyptians actually had an equivalent to death (=thanatos). They had multiple psychopomps though.
Hades: "Hey Zeus, there's this goddess I like and I have no idea how to get her to pay attention to me. Got any advice?"
Zeus: "Just kidnap her lol."
Hades: "Zeus it's Persephone. You know, your *daughter* ?"
Zeus: "Okay, you have my *permission* to kidnap her."
Hades: "And you're sure Demeter won't mind?"
Zeus: "I'm the king of the gods, what could happen?"
Demeter: *ANGRY WINTER NOISES*
Hades: "I knew I shouldn't have gotten advice from cheater supreme." -_-
hrtghjopo[piuyfdesedrfytguhjokiuy7otirudecjfvhgbl;oji876 jlj that the noise of Zeus getting murdered by demeter
@@aprilsanders7092 Meh, it was long over due.
@@djktsjytej honestly, yea it was
That cracked me up
Khione did the winter, Demeter just didn't let plants grow.
Persephone: *Scary as heck when she gets pissed*
Hades to Poseidon: She's so cute when she gets pouty!
Poseidon: *side-eyeing a mint plant* ... bruh.
Persephone: *turns into/spawns in some kind of eldritch abomination*
Hades, with heart-eyes: "You're so beautiful!"
Hermes: THE F**K DO YOU SEE IN HER!?
Zeus : Only her doting husband knows. She gets her temper from Demeter.
@@thefirstofthelastones8952 Hades: Potential
Didn't understand the reference, scrolled down two comments and there was the mint myth 😂
As a native German speaker I was so surprised about what a bad rep this story gets in the English speaking world. Mostly because the equivalent word that is used in German "Raub" still just refers to theft or robbery. So when you look at a title like "Der Raub der Perseophone" you just the implication that Hades "stole" her away from Demeter rather than the more horrible implication the English title of the myth points to at first glance.
Yeah. Stealing is a more accurate word for what happens.
To be fair, the word rape in this context does genuinely mean kidnap. The err other definition is actually more of a “modern meaning.”
Well technically he did steal her away
@@someonerandom8552 Yeah "rape" originally meant "forceful seizure" as seen in the title of the book "The Rape of the Lock" about someone cutting a lock of hair off of a woman's head.
@@someonerandom8552right! A simple digging shows that the word rape adopted the definition that we know of today as well as the misunderstanding of the story of Hades and Persephone in the late 14th century AD. No one wants to google anymore.
The fact that Demeter apparently turned into a horse to run from Poseidon and they had a horse child, which is almost identical to the Loki mythos of Slephnir. Wild
With Loki playing the role of Mother
I'm not sure how it's possible that I keep forgetting that Loki canonically got mpreg with a horse. Wtf.
@@mrreyes5004 Not mpreg since he turned into a mare which is a female horse.
...you know, I did make the connection that she's basically Hel, but maybe this is a red string theory, but that does lend credence at least to the idea that these beliefs came into contact
@@kyrab7914 Or that they split from the same earliest myth.
Speaking of Hades and Persephone not cheating on each other, a nymph once tried to seduce Hades, but was squashed into the dirt by Persephone. That nymph was named Minthe, and the plant she became is mint.
😝 😂 hahahaha
Ok but how do you Explain Adonis?
Refreshing
Really? I saw her in lore olympus I never knew she was real
There was another one right?
Pop Culture: “One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie in the head of the king of the underworld... what dreams of chronic, and sustained cruelty...”
Hades, in reality: “I wanna be a good husband!”
Hades: "I want to name my dog spot and to have a good day in the underworld"
@@crawlingboy Skin game?
“Do you believe in magic?”
@@jeremytewari3346 Do you believe in gravity?
See he is clearly mad he wants stability and consent.- Zeus probably
hades: oh, i hope no one dies, that would make my job worst
persephone: minthe tea
Hades: what?!
Persephone: *slowly sips minthe tea* "Good stuff."
That's a new version. About as accurate as the "Satan Hades" bias. It's just more crap being thrown at them by modern historians.
2:20 I read the Myth-O-Mania book series as a kid. Basically, it's a fictionalised retelling of the classic Greek myths, all from Hades' perspective. He starts by telling us how one day (modern times) he suddenly discovered our Greek myths, and started reading out of curiosity, hoping to relive the fun times. Instead, he finds Zeus has lied about almost everything, making himself seem perfectly good, while Hades has been villainised. So the series is Hades setting the record straight, according to him. Pretty fun read. And it follows the idea that him and Persephone's relationship was indeed consensual.
I read those books to! I loved them and Hades retelling of the big fat book of Greek myths lol
"What a load of horse shit! Who wrote this?!"
*Written by Zeus*
"I expected this, and I'm still let down."
They sound interesting
In Greek schools we are taught that Hades is actually the most mature and wisest SON of Kronos. Zues is just the overpowered brat favoured by fate.
He is technically the eldest and just got the sorta shortest end of the stick when the brothers divided the realms.
Exactly he is the oldest and mature aniki
While zeus is the idiotic spoiled brat younger brother
There are interpretations where zeus cheated on the lot drawing
But since hades is lord of the underworld that means everything underground even under the ocean is his like all the riches and minerals so he is the richest dude
@@JuFated On the bright side, he gets a dmc 3 gatekeeper boss as a pet, rich with mineral, and gets good reputation from future scholars. What’s not to like.
@@JuFated Well, there's more earth under our feet than there is water in the ocean or air over our heads, and in the end everyone dies so in terms of pure volume Hades is actually the one in charge and everybody else is just splitting the tiny remainder. ;P
@@eclipserepeater2466 well back then the people didn't know that earth was that big :v the "underworld" is probably small
“Even your favorite”
My favorite is Hestia and she doesn’t exist enough to do anything bad.
that is her missdeed, we needed a japanese lightnovel that barely follows the mythos it references, in order to remember that she exists
@@LiveErrors What light novel?
Hestia is bestia
Hestia is best Greek goddess.
@@alexandermayro7145 Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon?
Hades and Persephone are the original Gomez and Morticia. Goth and dark and scary and weird and absolutely adorable and loving.
I recently learned that Hades actually had a lover before Persephone. She's an Underworld nymph associated with the river Cocytus named Minthe, and when Hades fell in love with Persephone, Minthe was tossed aside. She ended up becoming Hades's mistress when Persephone spent the Spring and Summer with her mother, but Hades went back to Persephone when she returned to the Underworld. Minthe eventually gets turned into the mint plant, by either Persephone or Demeter, after proclaiming that she was the hottest girl in the Underworld. Hades also fell in love with a nymph named Leuce, daughter of Oceanus, and even kidnapped her and tookbher to the Underworld. When Leuce died, Hades turned her into a white poplar and placed in the Elysian Fields. Heracles even crowned himself with a branch from the tree to celebrate his return from the Underworld. The white poplar was also sacred to Persephone.
@@smartguy458 That is a very new version of the story. The Naiad Minthe was originally actually associated with Persephone, as the Despoina, all the way back during the Eleusinian Mysteries. This is because mint was used as a vital component in their psychedelic rituals. Therefore, the nymph actually predates Hades entirely. Most likely, any new retcon that tries to make it into an adulterous relationship has a special interest in demonizing Hades. Either way, the myth of Hades being unfaithful IS a retcon.
Ok you've convinced me.
Zeus: Hades, guess what! We all pitched together and graciously decided to get you a girl!
Hades: oh my gosh, that’s amazing! Where is she?
Zeus: in the trunk
Persephone: help me! Get me out of here!
Hades: Wha-you kidnapped Kore?! That’s illegal!
Aphrodite: but, Hades. What’s more illegal? Briefly inconveniencing Demeter’s daughter, or getting you laid?
Hades: KIDNAPPING KORE, APHRODITE!
Zeus: Hades, listen, whatever I may think of you right now, you need a queen and you have a crush. The Greek gods are counting on you
Hades: what? To-to kidnap people?
Zeus: to work together
Hades: TO KIDNAP PEOPLE?!
Eros: Lord Hades, we all agreed that us gods are above a people
Poseidon, dealing with sea politics: Y'all hear smth?
Hades: ....It's days like this that I miss being in dad's stomach...
@@jordanloux3883 Poseidon: Hey, do you remember when we were one god, you and I? When we were the head god? Good times...
Demeter: *bursts in* WHERE'S MY DAUGHTER!?!
Hera: Zeus what did you do this time?
@@dreademperor2094
Zeus:...oh no.
Later,the underworld
Hades:fuck fuck FUCK fuck FUUUUUUUCK! This is bad this is really bad!
Kore:... are you ok?
Hades: considering what zeus did, not really! Ok...fuck...
Thanatos:and that's about what i heard that time
Zagreus:huh. So father when he was younger had a lot of anxiety?
Than:yep.
"There was almost no difference between the stock pose for "Marriage" and the stock pose for "Kidnapping"."
_o no_
They were probably pretty much the same thing for the woman involved, consent-wise.
@@arigadatred5395 This is a disturbingly good point.
_Oh no_
_Oh no_
_Oh no no no no no_
...................
@@arigadatred5395 poor 9
Sitting here realizing that Hades and Persephone are like a divine cthonic Gomez and Morticia.
That right there is the perfect analogy and how i will imagine them from now on.
@@benjaminlammertz64 Literally came to say this lol
Yes that's how it works
🤣OH MY GOSH YES🤣!!
Thank you.
"(Zeus and Hera's marriage) is so far from consensual."
I finally found this myth.
Holy shit are you not kidding.
Well that myth really makes no sense since they already knew each other so I choose to believe it didn't happen
Zeus solid snake's himself into Hera's chambers as a bird and then transforms like "Surprise butt sex!"
Odysseus would later do the same thing with the Trojan horse, only without the bird and the "surprise butt sex" happens all over Troy during its sacking.
I like how she did Hades's reaction to everyone dying: "Oh balls, thats not good, yeah persephone go back to your mom."
God i love this channel
Man it sucks that the only respectful god who is loyal to his wife and doesn’t fall in love with every other mortal girl is the most hated. I feel bad for him :(
Yeah, but at the very least James Woods does a hell of a job voicing him. If you're gonna be portrayed as an asshole, might as well be a quality one.
Also he ain't hated so much on his personality or character but more like he represents death and the average human is scared shitless of death and as such why would they want to deal with him.
@@sirgalahad2 Not like he necessarily decides if or how you die. He's just in charge of the place everyone goes to after after they do. One would think people would appease the guy who owns the property you're going to eventually move to in hopes of better accommodations and not be stuck next to your overbearing mother-in-law who constantly ridicules you for not making enough to own a palace she can move into.
@@sirgalahad2 Hades doesn’t represent death, Thanatos does. Hades is just the king of the afterlife.
@@katherine_queen5294 Hades may not explicitly be the god of death but he is ascosiated with the inevitable and in a way he does represent it.
“This abduction was sponsored by Zeus!”
Zeus: Should’ve bought premium, *daughter*
XDXD
Oh my gosh. I think I'm literally dying. That is beautiful
Persephone: Well, premium comes with the offhand chance of being assaulted by you!
@@fanonymouse Hades: looks at her then to Zeus. Ummm so is that a no to being my wife-
Aphrodite in the corner shipping them like she always does.
I thought it was sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends
We need a retelling of the "pastel-goth love story" where Hades is the pastel and Persephone is the goth 😆
With them, story can be telled both ways and thats beautiful
I think a lot of people in this day and age miss the really significant point that the kidnapping/rape of Persephone story is most likely an allegory for the ancient traditional practice of fathers arranging for their daughters to be married to an older man within the family, such as an uncle, that way the father's property which would be inherited by the son-in-law through their marriage would stay within the family, making it easier to accumulate wealth over generations down the family line. And when the girl married, she would go from living with her parents to living with her husband and his family and would be pretty cut off socially from other women, especially from her mother. This caused a lot of grief for mothers and their daughters, as they wouldn't be allowed to see each other very often after marriage. And this common grief was preserved in this myth that simultaneously "explained" the seasons. At least, this is a common interpretation/theory.
Hades is literally the uncle of Persephone aka Kore, and seems to be a stand-in representing the arranged husband/uncle, so it totally makes sense that in earlier versions if Hades didn't exist, Poseidon would have a prominent role instead! So fascinating how myths change and evolve depending on the societies telling those stories and how their social and legal customs function, for instance how in the modern day West where the custom of arranged marriages to older men aren't all that common, the Hades x Persephone dynamic has kind of become like...a spicy fantasy in fanfic and romance novels with more female empowerment, rather than an allegory for how patriarchal societies function and how they affect the women involved, haha. That's not a bad thing, that's just how mythology works and it's neat.
I had no idea about the Despoina pseudonym or how that might point to earlier evolutions of Persephone/Kore/Despoina being quite so "dread", even though I knew about the epithet, I just foolishly assumed it was a perfunctory epithet that came with being generally associated with the Underworld. Really interesting!
Hades has the only stable relationship and named his three headed dog Spot
How can you hate this guy?
He just loves his wife and dog and just wants to do his job
He barely annoys mortals as long as they do not try to do something to mess with the underworld
He is lawful good
Good boi good boi
Good boi
You can't hate Hades. You just can't.
Also Hades is drawn most adorably out of the big three in Red’s videos so...
yall remember that time a nymph named minthe tried to seduce hades so persephone trampled her and destroyed her turning her into the plant we know today as mint? cool shit.
Looking forward to that episode of _Lore Olympus_
@@nunyobidniz be honest, we're looking forward to *every* episode of Lore Olympus
@@gman1515 I kinda get mad at the story now bc of how much I feel they’ve misinterpreted and done that feels wierd to how the story is. I do think it very cute tho and do still love the story as it is, but the history part of my does backflips for no reason
So that’s what’s in my peppermint paddies, huh.
@@onebilliontacos3405 York PepperThot Patties, as it were.
Would you ever consider doing a video about Demeter? Because it seems like there's an annoying tendency for people to, in order to legitimize Hades and Persephone, characterize Demeter as a horrible mother whom Persephone was glad to escape, which is... so far from the truth.
(Edit: Holy shit that's a lot of thumbs up, I thought this comment was going to get lost in the comments section how did this happen XD)
She wasn't a bad mother, but she was just a smidgen too overprotective and smothering towards her favorite daughter
@@thedragonwarrior5861 That's modern-day reinterpretations, the classic myths make no mention of Demeter as an overbearing mother and actually portray her as a wronged individual whose child was taken and didn't even have the chance to say goodbye to her (something even mortal women at the time were allowed, there was always a transition period for brides to say goodbye to friends and family to make things easier) or make sure she was happy with everything, she was told to just accept it because she couldn't change anything because Zeus said so and she'd never see Persephone again. She does what she does because it's the only thing she could do to exert power in an otherwise powerless situation and the only thing that would possibly make the other gods listen to her. And in the end, while the arrangement still makes her sad, she is happy to at least get half a year with her because she knows it was better than the alternative, and she is satisfied when Persephone tells her herself that she is happy and doesn't have to hear people condescendedly talk down to her about Persephone's situation.
@@Floweramon my bad
@@Floweramon This myth, yes. But, there is a key part in the Myth of Zagreous. Persephone gets perused by multiple gods, including Apollo, Ares, and I believe Hermes. This leads to Demeter going full lockdown mode and hiding Persephone in a cave with dragons and more guarding her. That’s a little overkill I’d say. Hades finds out because caves connect to underworld and from there we get the little god.
Now does this make her wrong for wanting her daughter back when stolen from her? No, she has every right to be. No matter if she was over protective of her daughter, that doesn’t mean she’s wrong to be angered when Zues gives her daughter away without a word to her. But it’s not like it’s not in keeping with the myth for her to be overprotective or want keep her daughter forever.
I think a good compromise is to have a legit reason for her to be worried or controlling. Good example for me is Lore Olympus. She has legitimate reason to hate Hades so she disapproves of him, and is protective of her daughter because there legit are multiple people trying to use her for their own power. Is Demeter overly protective? Yes. Is her fear warranted? Oh definitely. You can show someone being wrong without them being bad.
@@thedragonwarrior5861 lmao I feel you
One of my friends is a total mythology nerd and he has ensured we're very aware that Hades was a pretty chill dude compared to his siblings and extended family. Now Poseidon on the other hand, I will always have a personal hatred for
Plot twist! Poseidon and Hades were the same deity all along! Kind of! Maybe!
Why Poseidon?
Edit: I really did not know mythology that well 8 months ago
@@NotMe-vx4vl
Poseidon: All of the hedonism, nonconsensual mortal banging, demented levels of misery inflicted in the name of revenge, and daddy issues of Zeus... With none of the widespread hatred. Poseidon deserves his own league of haters
I’m with you there for hating Poseidon, but I’m adding Zeus to that list.
I never cared much to have an opinion on those two until I had to do a family tree for all the named characters in “The quest for the Golden Fleece”, Zeus and Poseidon are the reason I could do that and I want to strangle them for it
I still believe I wouldn’t have had to make a family tree of roughly 70 people if it wasn’t for those two
@@NotMe-vx4vl Well, apparently his r/p3 game isn't that strong so Caenis one of his many victims wishes to be a man so that she will never suffer through such a traumatic event again. And Poseidon likes to torture sea adventurers based on his many moods.
Everyone says Hades is evil, when Hades is the only one who doesn't cheat on his wife, and he is, in fact, ONLY DOING HIS JOB!
People forget that Hades while the ruler of the underworld is basically the manager/admin of the place, THANATOS is the legit god of death and peaceful death at that! Hades is literally that guy who is the regional manager of a company with a cute wife and a dog (and their kid Zagerus, he's actually canon as he is in myth either as an aspect of Dionysus or as the son of hades and Persephone the telling vary because greek mythology be whack and retconning shit all over the place)
@@jaderotaski1 well I mean... less manager and more ruler of the largest kingdom to ever exist and ever will exist (considering the place gets thousands of new residents every day and never loses any)
@@meme0taker87 I mean you ain't wrong XD
@KØI_Flow and even then he got screwed into the position by Zeus
Minthe and Leuce : 👀👀👀👀👀
*Demeter* : It’s just horrible how someone would take my child and do god knows what to them without my consent.
*The baby she’s currently setting on fire* : Goo?
*Demeter* : See, you get me Demophon
*looks at Leo from HoO* Well that explains a lot...
Hahahahahaha
She was trying to make him immortal, but yeah.
I love this way to much 😂
@@thewritingreference2629 And Hades was trying to have a happy marriage. Consent and communication with their family is important.
Reading some of the Greek myths, I’ve noticed that when a hero goes into the Underworld, Persephone is there. Theseus, Orpheus, Odysseus, and Hercules mention that Persephone is in the Underworld. Either 1. All Greek heroes apparently only visit Hades in winter.
Or 2. Persephone is a Queen of the dead, of course she is going to be there when the heroes appear.
The idea of Persephone having been thought of as a queen of the dead is also supported in that, there aren’t many myths about her NOT being in the Underworld. The beginning of the abduction myth is the only example I am aware of. (If there is one with her being out of the Underworld feel free to let me know.) Of course that doesn’t mean there might have been a myth once that had Persephone out of the Underworld, but that’s not the impression I’m getting from the general mythos.
Demeter: My brother gave some guy the go-ahead to kidnap my daughter.
Ameterasu: Mine threw a dead horse into my living room.
Demeter: ...It's not a contest.
Frigg:“Am I the only Queen of the gods in a healthy relationship?”
@@firemarioproductions2003 GOW Odin: *monkey puppet meme*
@matthewmccoyd2578 Tyr: We're talking about the actual mythology, not the games
@@dreademperor2094 Understandable, have a nice day.
@matthewmccoyd2578 Tyr: Okay, who let GOW Odin in the room?
Hades: * is the only Greek deity that loves his wife, doesn’t cheat, does gummy is job well and doesn’t go out of his way to cause drama, and is the only one that doesn’t rape mortal women for no reason*
The rest of the pantheon: weird but okay
Modern day peeps: SATAN
If hades is satan we could use some more satan in our lives.
Bringing Obama into this was a weird flex, but okay.
Actually, he did cheat only twice though (At least there’s only two famous one). Minthe (Later on became the Mint plant we know and Leuce (A white tree in the underworld, pretty sure). Still better than other gods tho.
Basically hades had a couple of bad dates and said I love my wife too much
@@kxqinny8813 Minthe was in some versions transformed by Persephone to get her to bugger off. Leuce probably met a similar fate. And whether they threw themselves at her husband or he tried it and failed is another question. Regardless, no bastard children of Hades and the victim of the week.
So... what you're saying is that Hades is Persephone's trophy husband with the awesome dog?
Exactly that 😂
Yes
Why does this sound like the plot of a greek themed femenist movie?
Then again he is kind of that way in the cartoon tv series class of titans. Its good I recommend it. I wasn't sure of the way they represented hades at first but it grew on me thier a cute couple.
THIS. THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE
I suppose it would make sense for the ancient Mycenaeans to believe Poseidon (or whatever they called him since they were before the classical Greeks) was both god of the sea and god of the underworld since from an ancient person’s perspective the bottom of the sea was probably the closest thing they had to an underworld. After all, it’s dark, cold, murky, filled with monstrous looking creatures and the only people down there are dead.
To think that Zeus started off by rigging the lots so that he got the big glorious title of sky god, thinking he was getting the best deal. Meanwhile, Hades gets an effectively infinite kingdom *and* the most functional marriage in the entire Greek pantheon.
The things I hear about the janitorial vs. managerial professions makes me think your interpretation applies to them too.
Zeus: kidnaps his wife and immediately cheats on her with everything and everyone
Hades: kidnaps his wife but also lets her go back to her family regularly if it means she’ll be happy
Media: *it ain’t lookin good for ya chief.. in the satan bin you go*
Christianity: Clearly he was manipulating her!
God, I just can't stand how often media treats Hades so poorly. It genuinely grates my nerves everytime a modern movie or show comes out and Hades is portrayed as being evil for no good reason.
Hades: why won't people be nice to me *sniff* I just want to pet my dog
Media: hmm... yeah he's definitely evil
Catholic Church: *BURN ALL HERETICS, CAST THEM DOWN TO THE FIERY ABYSS OF HELL!!!*
Heretics: But, like, isn't Hades pretty chill & nice most of the time? He even tried to help Orpheus get his-
Catholic Church: *IN HELL YOU SHALL SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!*
EDIT: I misremembered. User @chavamara has the right variant below.
Original comment: I first read "Medea" in place of "Media." To be fair, (at least in the modern variant) Medea killed Jason for his lying and infidelity, which I suppose could count as consigning him to "the satan bin."
Zeus Marriages: Last as long as a knife at 1000 degrees through butter
Hades: NOKIA PHONE
Now before anybody starts a war in the reply section adonis was persephone adopted son no more no less the whole persephone cheated thing was something that Ovid made up and before anybody say's that hades cheated leuce is a Roman exclusive myth that doesn't exist in greek mythology and minthe is hades jealous ex who got turned into a plant after claiming to be better than persephone
As dysfunctional as it may be. Zeus has only had 1 marriage, and is going strong.
And Persephone didn't get the chance to cheat on Hades with her adoptive son Adonis before he was brutally mangled by a boar. Yeah, I read Mohammed's comment, I am just that rebellious.
@@PropiaRealidad Actually, Hera was Zeus’s second wife. He absorbed his first wife (the titaness Rhea I believe), which gave him all the knowledge and wisdom of the world, and led to the birth of Athena after he literally smashed his head open. The reasoning was it was prophesied Rhea would give birth to a god more cunning than Zeus who could threaten his status as King of the gods. Add on top of that the fact Rhea was the whole reason Zeus was able to supplant Kronos in the first place, and yeah, while arguably not on par of his exploits with mortals later, it’s not like Zeus had a reputation of treating the women who he loved with any sort of respect or decency to begin with.
EDIT: I was wrong, Metis was the titaness I was thinking of and she and Zeus were not married. MB.
@@nxdiaz5916 The one you mentioned above is Metis, not Rhea. And they were not technically married, he had an affair with her and after that he absorbed her because he was paranoid that her child would overthrow him.
Now now don't pick on the psychopaths of ancient Greeks especially when said psycho bludgeoned their wet nurse to death before using their skin to depose of a pretty decent guy who other then locking away his kids in an alternative universe because of one of his brothers assery hadn't done much bad.
Take this account with a grain of salt:
Early on in my practice of Wicca, at the point where Persephone was already firmly established as my Matron goddess and I had started doing work with Hades, I communed with my gods while on a call with my friends and drawing fanart for a game I like. I was asked by Persephone what I was doing, and I told her I was drawing. She said, and I quote, "That's adorable. When you die, I'm going to keep you." I literally got a chill down my spine.
That's how you know she has taste
Enjoy the underworld. At least you'll be in good hands
Aww, that’s SWEET!
She’s gonna dote on you!
Good on you, you're going to have a good afterlife
The original version of Persephone is basically the Great Mother, which makes her something like Nyx, which is why she's so scary. like, even-Zeus-is-going-to-run-away scary.
Given what you said, itd say it’s likely enough, that she and nyx were infact the same goddess at one point, it’s just nyx got specialized and spreate form them.
Do you have any extra information that I can read about that? These things are interesting.
@@jime5499I don’t really know what the original commenter is talking about, but I do know there was atleast one very uncommon version of the creation myth, where Persephone creates humans, and Zeus and Gaia have a contest with her, they win, and it’s decided that they get the humans in life and Persephone gets them in death
Hades: *is actually faithful to his wife, keeps his promises and deals, and is basically the most mature male Olympian
Hollywood: And you’re the villain!
Imagine being faithful to your wife and giving her attention and actual power to what was originally just yours
-this post was made by the Ancient Greek gang
Honestly this could be said to say a lot about the way Hollywood thinks especially about relationships
And they're still confused why no one respects them?
@@williamking6787 I was gonna say it, but you already said it.
Most? I think you mean Only
It really makes me wonder how many stories are affected by Christianity and other major religions. That’s why to me ancient stories like those of Egypt are so fascinating.
Doesn’t Hades rip open the earth to kidnap Persephone? Sounds like something Poseidon the ‘Earthshaker’ would do. I’m totally down to believe they used to be one god.
It depends on which telling you’re reading. Sometimes Hades kidnaps her, sometimes she wanders down there by herself, sometimes the ground is ripped open to do said kidnapping, etc.
@@rhinopoley She literally says that the oldest version we have has Hades rip the ground open.
My main hypothesis like that is Pandora also used to have a jar of weal, since there's a *pair* of jars in the Iliad, one of weal and one of woe. But Hesiod, black-piller that he was, conveniently wrote that one out, so he could blame everything wrong with the world on women
she already covered where Poseidon's origins come from in a previous video, can't remember off the top of my head, but basically, he was a Chthonic king of the gods which included deaths from earthquakes since that was the "cthonic" part, which is just all the deaths caused from one massive calamity, hence the name earthshaker despite being a god of the ocean. Hades was already his own entity I believe? even if just a very minor one, but I also think he was instead handed the role of kind of the underworld from the original poseidon... i just don't think they were the one and the same god at this point but that's just my theory
Well they were always different gods, even in the mycanaean age, but they were more revered for their earthshaker things, as earth gods were mostly very important in mycanaean mythos. Poseidons earthshaker epithet was also what got him the gig of ruling the underworld. Zeus, for example, did exist but wasn’t really as important, as he was a sky god rather than a chthonic (earth) god. But Poseidon and Hades were as far as I know never one and the same deity like Hermes and Pan were.
It occurs that the thing with the pomegranate seeds can be written off as a moment of weakness on Hades' part - the only point in this story, and perhaps the only point in the mythology ever, where he acts as impulsively as Zeus does.
“Even Olympian soft boy Dionysus”
I was like “wait NO NO NO NO STOP YOUR KIDDING NO NO” you were not wrong
To be fair to Dionysus, the one time he did that wasn't his fault. Artemis sent Nemesis to punish Aura (The one who got assaulted) because she insinuated that Artemis' huge breasts means she isn't a virgin (A very big no-no).
It was Nemesis who basically brainwashed Dionysus to fall madly in love with Aura and assault her.
@@travisoliver6741 yeah I know. I just wanted to point that out lol
@@travisoliver6741It was actually Eros because it was his arrow
It's literally the meme "A guy hired a hitman who hired a hitman who hired a hitman"
@senjithegamer3829 Gods going to other gods who may go to other gods to punish someone for something that isn't very serious (At least for a modern audience) is always peak comedy.
Poseidon was angry at Minos for not sacrificing the bull, so he goes to Aphrodite, who presumably goes to Eros, to make Minos' wife fall for the bull. If you don't take the subjects seriously, lots of Myths really do feel like something from the Onion.
@@travisoliver6741 aura what now 💀
Me as a child: Hades is a horrible god
Me as a adult: Hades is a literally the absolute fairest god you could ask for, great husband to his wife and a brow beaten account of dead people and the least problematic and drama-free god
Zeus in the Disney movie Hercules: (Is a noble person that loves his family.)
Zeus in Greek Mythology: I'm legally required to do the Sex Offender Shuffle!
Like seriously. He went and asked the dad's permission when he spotted a girl he liked instead of, I dunno, turning into a swan. The bar is low but stilll
The irony level is off the charts
I know right
Hades has 2 rapes under his belt. Plus he did kidnap Persephone in the first place
Hades: *monotone* "I like... death."
Persephone: *lights up* "OMG! I like death too!" *HUGS* "Now let go back to your place and watch entropy slowly destroy everything your brothers love."
Hades: *smiles* "OK."
how to sum up hades and persephones myth:
Fuckin metal
This comment is so underrated
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Fr 😂
Helios should have told Demeter "Its Hades you should be worried for. There is a reason no one wants to summons your daughter. Go and make sure she doesnt traumatize the guy."
You know this make sense if you see this myth on three purposes:
1. Explaining the season
2. Grief of a mother
3. A death goddess's origin story, like how Zeus was born, but there is a whole myth on how he became king and retains being king.
Me before this video: Persephone is a pure cinnamon roll that loves her goth husband.
Me now: Hades is an emo nerd that loves his Lovecraftian wife.
Exactly!
Hades: My new idol.
Persephone is my ideal version of an angel. She looks and acts like the stereotypical beautiful winged humanoid kind -sweet, gentle, nice coz she prefers it that way ...but if pushed, she without dropping the gentle demeanor, will prove to be as frightening as any of them biblical angels.
As someone who works with Persephone: yes.
She is an actual dork though, just do not piss her off or you will very much so regret it!
They’re both goth emo nerds
Why’s no one talking about the art? Red really outdid herself this episode on the gods and their auras contrasting with the others, particularly with the full screen art of Hades with his laurel
I just saw that and it is Gorgeous! Making him look like a desirable husband
I was just thinking about how much I love her art style, and how the status and power of deities is presented so well with the auras, monochrome style and the eyes. And even the little details, like Demeter retaining some green in her eyes even when disguised...
Sometimes I just watch the videos for the art, even if I don't necessarily care about the myth in question
Reds art is probably my favorite depiction of quite a few gods
And the soundtrack is _insane_
You’re right! Red’s artwork is great. The way she draws the gods conveys so much personality.
all this talk about "Dread Persephone" made me realize that I really wanna see a retelling where yeah, Hades is the King of the Dead and all, but Persephone is way, WAY scarier than him. Like Hades is a mild-mannered guy just trying to keep the underworld running smoothly and Persephone is more of the scary Big Bad Queen Of Hell archetype that normally gets assigned to Hades.
This sounds cool as hell But itmd be fun if they were also a super sweet functional couple
Common misconception of Artemis is that she hated men, this is not true as for some stories males could join her hunts but lived by somewhat different rules, some were even fancied by the goddess as skilled hunters and willing to be named champions of the hunt by her.
The thing is they all kept dying on the hunt randomly that probably had something to do with Apollo.
Have you ever covered this tip bit or thought of it.
I think maybe the domesticated housebound city dwellers resented the freedom of hunters, and felt insecure about how masculine they were.
So they wrote myths that said:
(1) "You will never get laid out there in the woods. Women prefer industrious civilized men like me."
(2) You will pay a deadly price for living the kind of dangerous manly lifestyle that makes me look like a sheep in comparison."
There is a video on Orion
@@kedabro1957 To be fair, in addition to civilization and culture Apollo also represented disease. So the argument could be people indulging in the wilderness could've caught some plague and died. So the moral would be, don't stay in the middle of nowhere, be in a civilized area where people know you and where a doctor works.
Artemis: APOLLO WHAT IS YOUR DAMAGE!?! THAT'S THE NINETY EIGHTH MAN YOU KILLED!!!
Artemis: "Why do all the men who I like keep on dying?"
Apollo with military camo: "NO ONE IS COURTING MY SISTER! NO ONE!"
What people think Persephone is like:
Innocent flower girl
What she’s actually like:
She who shall not be named
My favorite interpretations are when it’s both at the same time
@@sergeantsmilo4231 Adorifying
@@sergeantsmilo4231 Creepy Cute. I love it. :)
Does she have a nose?
@@kusaisama that’s a good question
Hades comes up behind Persephone petting two of Cerberus' heads while crying.
"Persephone, what is wrong, why are you crying?" Hades asks urgently
And she turns to him and weeps, "I don't have enough hands to pet them all!"
And like... I could just see Hades dropping what he's doing and petting his dog with his wife for a while.
This is the most adorable thing I've ever read and I want somebody to draw it *NOW*
Is that a Punderworld reference?
@@cramerfloro5936 No. I have never heard of punderworld.
@@zebrin then I highly suggest you do! It can be found on Webtoons and Deviantart, and it pictured exactly your thought image!
I like that this issue is subverted in the game Hades by the explanation that only one of Cerberus's heads likes pets, and the other two will supposedly bite at you if you try to pet them
people often tend to make Demeter the bad guy in the kidnapping version of the myth but tbh that's just unfair. she was a mother whose daughter got KIDNAPPED and she probably had NO idea what was happening to Persephone at any time, if anyone was doing anything to her. both her and Persephone got screwed over by Zeus... and unfortunately, literally as well in some myths... gross
I get where you're coming from but omnicide is still not an appropriate response to a child disappearing.
@@ryanjensen1945 I mean the gods have committed omnicide for far less before. plus depending on the myth it wasn't intentional, she was that worried and busy looking for Persephone that she neglected her domain
two things- one abt demeter/feminism and one abt personifications
1. always annoys me how the “feminist” retellings demonize demeter and make her over possessive of persephone which. like. can be done well. however the closest we have to the original to me feels like it fits that more bc remember, persephone was born because zeus assaulted demeter. looking in a modern feminist lens, the story of someone who was assaulted trying to save her daughter from that bc of something her father/said assailant arranged feels way more of a feminist narrative to me
2. someone on tumblr once mentioned that like. the gods were personifying concepts. hades takes kore away from demeter. death rips children away from their mothers. idk it was just a very interesting way to put it
Aïdoneus carrying off Persephone being a stand-in for a sudden, untimely death is obvious, you're correct. You'll note that in the Hymn (do read Susan C. Shelmerdine's translation) the goddess never objects to the marriage, the issue Demeter has with the union is that for Persephone to be his bride and live with Hades in his realm means Demeter will never again see her daughter, Hades' realm being inaccessible to Demeter and her fellow non-chthonic gods, that Persephone is for all intents and purposes *_dead,_* whence Demeter takes to mourning her, angry with _Zeus_ for having arranged the marriage and so condemning Persephone to die.
Demeter's refusing to let crops grow and so visiting a famine upon man was purposely done (later renditions say she neglected her duties in her grief) so as to rob the gods (read Zeus) of the honor of sacrifices, that he who delights in thunder will be incentived to, if not dissolve the marriage, then permit Demeter to see her child one last time: twas a last-ditch attempt on her part to force Zeus' hand. The goddess was *not* throwing some temper tantrum was not overreacting within the Hymn's narrative, it presents a woman who, grieved at losing her child to marriage as well as sudden death (this is the metaphor behind the dread king of the dead carrying off Persephone to his realm), does whatever is in her power that she might see her child one last time.
One interesting detail that ppl forgo in retelling this myth is that originally Lord Zeus does *Not* propose to divide Persephone's time: in the hymn following the mother and daughter reunion Zeus sends Mama Rhea to relay the message to Demeter that indeed, Zeus is *_agreed_* (that he's assented to the proposal as was brought up by a Not Zeus) that Sephy shall spend 1/3 of the year with Hades, affirming what Demeter said to Sephy. Whose this Not Zeus that made the proposal, that Zeus himself is only agreeing to it? Demeter.
OK real talk here, having your ruler-of-the-underworld death goddess called just "The Mistress" who's real name is kept secret and is so frightful that namedropping her is inviting her presence is unironically metal as shit
I like that
Can't be more metal than Hades, the god of metals. Or I'm guessing that was your intent.
@@reyonXIII I thought Hephaestus was the god of metal considering he’s the blacksmith of the gods.
@@zanderblankenship3849 He just works with them. As the god of all things chthonic, meaning things of the earth, Hades is the god of all sources of metals.
Hades is the original composer, Hephaestus does the cover
@@reyonXIII Let's not knock it. What Hades produces is rich, but unrefined. Hades provides the raws. Hephaestus mixes a symphony.
So Hades is depicted as the devil while in reality he just wants to chill with his Eldritch Abomination wife and Multiheaded Dog Spot
I love this
The devil who in fact isn't even on hell, because he walks free on Earth tempting humanity as like he's breathing.
@@carlosroo5460 Good point. Feels rather weird to talk about Satan in a mythology section though.
And what devil analogies? All souls, whether good or evil went to the Underworld. It was not Hell. It had sections according to how you were judged. He was basically the manager of the whole afterlife!!!
@@fictionlover2064 Now I can't stop imagining Hades sitting in a room, punching stamps left and right, Paper Please style.
I always love how shocked people are to learn how mostly benevolent Hades actually is compared to the rest of the Pantheon.. also just food for thought to everyone.. it’s PERSEPHONE who persuades Hades after Orpheus moves him with music.
Honestly, Mycenaean Poseidon and Demeter having a relationship makes sense just based on how scary nature is. Chthonic Demeter embodying the hostile power of nature instead of just "growing plants" and Underworld King Posiedon being into that.
I love the idea that Persephone is just this insanely powerful eldritch god of death and that Hades finds that super hot
Seriously, I want to see more of THIS version!
@@flaminyawn Me too!
What if Hades didn't know and he's just too scared to try to break up now because turns out Persephone is uncomfortably good at this whole "Queen of Death" thing.
@@hedgehog3180 my hopes are he finds her cute for this exact reason? XD
@@hedgehog3180 Considering Hades is the god of the Underworld, where all dead things go... I don't see him being afraid of much. Like, what're you gonna do? Kill him? Good luck with that, he's just gonna fill out Death Form 478-A and Unconditional Resurrection Approval Notice 36-C, and be alive and kicking again before your coffee gets cold.
Everyone learn from Hades’s mistake: do not take advice from your younger siblings
Exactly especially the one that turns to animals to bang girls
@@crawlingboy yeah, that’s not exactly the best love coach to listen to
You know, if he just asked Hestia I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have had anywhere near this much trouble.
@@morganrobinson8042 Totally true!
@@morganrobinson8042 Hestia probably would’ve made a good life coach
Helios: Well I mean he's a good husband
Demeter: SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO STAY SINGLE!!!!!
Helios: *sighs* being married is a better life for her since she's actually happy with him as her husband
@@dreademperor2094 True
@@yallehemee460 yeah
tbh, Demeter probably is upset about how Persephone is born in the first place and thinking that her beloved dauyis better single than married
How do people in this comment section NOT understand that Hades literally graped Persephone without the g…Demeter was upset BECAUSE her daughter got freaking stolen and graped, she wasn’t some overprotective controlling b*tch in the original text 💀 y’all been reading to much “Lore Olympus” and it shows
Demeter: helps out a local ruler while trying to bring her daughter out of the underworld, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered
Isis: helps out a local ruler while trying to restore her brother to life, then tries to make the ruler's child immortal by burning them, but is discovered
Coincidence?
I THINK NOT!!!
No, much like the Romans would later do to the Greeks, The Greeks had done to the Egyptians.
Okay, so basically Hades is a introvert and an actual sweetheart who loves his wife but just stays in his whole life because he doesn’t want to while Persephone is the scary badass queen and loves her quiet husband.
He just didn't know how to ask her out that's all
Aren't they are cute couple! Kawaiiiiiiiii!
They are my favorite mythology couple: The introverted goth and his Wednesday-Adams-esque, badass wife.
A tale as old as time .... Damn
@@krystalleniageorgatsona4040 I know right? Suck on that beauty and the beast. Hahahaha!
@@florian8599 please don’t infantilise actual gods
You forgot to mention a very cool detail about our homegirl: she turned homewrecker Minthe into a plant.
Again I would love to see jealous Persephone
Not just any plant, specifically mint, which was apparently used to brew a psychoactive compound used in the Eleusinian mysteries. It's all coming full circle.
And mint is now also used by nervous people on a first date, pickup artists, and bed hoppers and/or home-wreckers. Very full circle,
Persephone also stomped the shit out of the plant after
@@doopdoopdopdop7424, it is also the best ice cream flavor. >_>
its worth noting the angle that back then, daughters went to live with their husbands family & rarely saw their parents anymore, & that Demeter's characterization would have recalled the grief of such a separation in the original cultural context.
Hades: *has an incredibly functional relationship with his wife, especially considering the intensely patriarchal time frame*
Historians: Literal satan????
Sometimes historians have a BuzzFeed moment
Pandora's the opposite. Hesiod's version, which is the only surviving one, is *insanely* misogynistic, but historians gloss over that. Although I do specify *Hesiod's*, because there are arguments for the existence of a previous, less misogynistic version.
Welcome to Christianity, boys and girls. "All of your gods are really just our god, you just didn't know it. Except...um...that one. Yeah, that one. He's actually Satan and will now forever be associated with evil whether you like it or not, or we'll kill you and tell everyone we were just purifying your soul. Also, all of your holy days are now ours. See ya!"
Man, when you put it like that it actually makes _more_ sense. Of course the religion that says Eve was created from part of a man (for varying reasons, ranging from very to not at all misogynistic) and is responsible for plucking the apple, would demonize a god who treats a woman as a person and not an object.
@@Jikkuryuu Actually, Genesis is extremely tame compared to Hesiod. Genesis has man and woman being created at the same time, and even uses a word (ezer) to describe Eve that's typically reserved for divine help. Meanwhile, Hesiod alleges an entire all-male utopia before the creation of woman, and that woman was specifically created as a punishment for Prometheus having stolen fire
I think in older stories, Persephone was actually the scariest godess of all time, ruler of death, and the greeks were *terrified* of her, but then in later stories, since ancient greek people are generally sexist, they had Hades be the original ruler of the underworld and Persephone as this sweet maiden child who got tricked into staying in the underworld, needing another person to come and look for her, which explains why Hades is so vague. I'm not sure I have an explanation for Demeter, but I think maybe in older myths, they were also still together; just not mother and daughter, but a closer bond.
I like to think the pomegranate seeds is something akin to a wedding ring binding Persephone to the House of Hades. It may not be historically accurate but the thought of Hades proposing to her with fruit seeds makes me giggle.
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
He had a legit ring but a imp swapped it and hades decided to play it cool like he planned it
It’s kinda funny that Ares, the god everyone hates, is the only one who doesn’t have any myths about being horrible to women. He was even the father of the Amazons.
Not was he is the father of the amazons and he gets amazing character developement when he becomes mars and is a good dad to his son romulus
Unlike how jerky zeus was with ares
Another thing is that there’s actually a myth where Ares straight up kills one of Poseidon’s sons for trying to rape his daughter
@@joyramirez7518 He was dragged into trial and was acquitted because everyone who agreed with him were the goddesses and other female divine beings who outnumbered the dudes who all wanted him to be punished xD.
There was the whole thing about being Aphrodite's main cheating partner, but that's more on her than him, even if sleeping with your brother's wife is a dick move.
Not to mention he’s a way better father then Zeus.
"Even if there is a bit of delay, everyone becomes a subject eventually" is such a banger line
If only hades knew he could impress persephone with that line instead of going to Zeus for romantic advice
@@justaname4136 younger goth bro goes to his older jock bro for romantic advice. The result: Kidnapping instead of poetry.
@@TheSimmus but Hades is older😂
@@gbohunmibaloriogun90 shoot your right! Um...
Sophisticated older bro turning to his womanzing younger bro to ask how to impress a woman.
"Tell me, Zeus, how can I convey my feelings, win her over and steal her heart?"
"Just steal *her* !"
@@TheSimmus
Hades: How do you go about "picking up the ladies", brother?
Zeus: Literally pick them up! Steal them...😈
Hades in Greek also means the underworld itself. Of course, it might have been named after the god. It could also be, however, that the underworld was already named Hades and the god was vreated later as a personification of that. Persephone being called queen of Hades could have just meant the realm and then evolved to mean a husband of hers, which would also explain why he was a later addition and not as important.
Something tells me Persephone and Hades roles were similar enough to each other to the two societies that the ancient greeks came from, that once their cultures merged the “marriage” was the embodiment of their metaphorical bond.
Why Hades is my favorite Greek god
1. Actually cares about his wife
2. Doesn't actively look for trouble
3. The only Greek god with a functional marriage
4. Has three headed dog
And the dog's name basically means "Spot".
@@rmyoung87 even better
5. He's probably the only God to have not raped someone.
Named spot
@@rmyoung87 lol, it really doesn't, do the research. Twitter is not factually correct
I can already hear the Lore Olympus fans coming in.
You rang? :D
Not even them just anyone that has read greek myths or like myths in general
We are all coming in
Hey Fam
Yes, we’re here. Hades and Kore forever
Hellooo
Hades: I don't know if I can do this after all. How do I even approach her?
Zeus: Don't worry so much, brother. Just go to her and sweep her off her feet!
Hades: *proceeds to literally sweep Persephone off her feet via chariot*
Zeus:“Bout time that boy got a girlfriend!”
Hades: “I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!I’m sorry!” He’s freaking out.
When I was in middle school my class had an assignment where we split into groups and made videos re-enacting Greek myths. My group got this one. I had to play Zeus. You cannot imagine my horror when my friend had to look me in the eyes and say “brother, I wish to marry your daughter” (yes, that was the exact line). I have no idea why my teacher thought that was a good idea.
The most stable and functional relationship amongst the Greek gods: one where the couple only see each other for about a third of each year.
Well they do say absence makes the heart grow fonder
There's an even better one, albeit they give birth to monsters.
Typhon and Echidna.
You gotta have a good and stable relationship when you have a long distance relationship for a good portion of the year
Long-distance relationships can work --Hades
Sometimes half!
Loki: You can never have to many horse babies.
While being best mom and dad at the same time
NO! NO! NO! Many people say I am sick in the head. NOOOO!!!! I don't believe them. But there are so many people commenting this stuff on my videos, that I have 1% doubt. So I have to ask you right now: Do you think I am sick in the head? Thanks for helping, my dear rylan
Loki is the pregenitor of equestria
@@mathieuleader8601 ok, now go write a full theory about that, with references to the show.
Yass
If Poseidon originally filled Hades's role while also being Persephone's dad, could the original story have been something more like a custody battle?
That sounds extremely plausible ngl
5:56 Can we just acknowledge how damn cool this shot is? The glowing eyes, the glowing, blue crown-ish thing I forgot the name of, even the particles in the background!
lural.
Yeah! It's metal as hell! (Pun intended)
Hear me out: Kore being just "girl" is Demeter's version of Kratos calling his son "boy"
Birdbox
Headcanon accepted
Demeter as agriculture-Kratos is a headcanon that I desperately want to be true.
I mean if you think about it Kratos knew any child of his would be a target. Makes sense he wouldn't go announcing his given name to any rando in earshot.(including the ever-watchful eye of Odin) Especially when his child was young and vulnerable and ESPECIALLY on unfamiliar ground
Im totally fine with this
As a woman in ancient greece you usually had 2 options:
1. You get impregnated by a god and then chased to death by monsters, other gods and/or your own child
2. There is no second option
I mean, there's the "your story isn't told" option. And there are your occasional Arachnes and Atalantas, of course, but they're notable because of their rarity.
What about the Cult of Artemis option?
Umm... What about Penelope, queen of Itaca?
I know this is the exception, not the norm.
You could marry a hero. Tends to go similarly to the god thing but you might get lucky, like Penelope or Andromeda.
Truth be told, the game was rigged from the start.