Prince Philip's DNA Assists Romanov Identification | The Crown (Jonathan Pryce, Imelda Staunton)
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
- Philip's (Jonathan Pryce) disinterest turns into obsession with his Russian lineage after a DNA test reveals his connection to the Romanovs, while Elizabeth (Imelda Staunton) hopes their upcoming trip to Russia will reignite their relationship.
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My dears, I encourage you to watch Princess Diana's overwhelming popularity in Australia here: ua-cam.com/video/OCtORyAG1y4/v-deo.html
no one really thinks about her anymore..certainly no one under 50 odd.
I've never been a fan. Her tantrums at polo matches, her not allowing staff to teach the boys in their charge consequences or anything of benefit and her manipulation of journalists is the true Diana....let's not forget her dating a sisters ex boyfriend and was so much Lydia in Pride and Prejudice that we could almost see her saying to her sisters "I come before you now" we all knew she loved the Crown not Charles just to be superior to her sisters. Actions speak louder than words.
@@highcountrydelatiteA lot of people think about her, that is whyCharles or Camilla are unpopular, and as a result the Crown is very unpopular, especially amongst people between 18-50 years. The popularity of the Monarchy between 18-50 year olds on average is less than 50% across the various age groups. I am 49 years, I remember Diana and I salute her for withstanding the bullshyt thrown her way, ND for fighting back.
@@sevenwatson5854 Diana's choices weren't made in a vacuum, she was reacting to the abuse from Charles and the royal family. Charles felt insecure and hated her because she easily eclipsed him in popularity, yet it wasn't her fault she was more popular. Instead of working with her he began to abuse her and belittle her. He was carrying on with Camilla, ND when she objected he used his media cronies and aristocratic friends to belittle her in the press. Ross Benson, Ingrid Seward's late husband, Daily Mail columnist, former Gordosntoun alumni, philanderer in chief, accused Diana of deliberately trying to outshine Charles on the 1984 tour of Australia, whilst at a visit to a music conservatoire. In his book, he claims, Diana rose unbidden to show off her piano skills, when in reality, it was the Principal of the Conservatoire who asked Diana to play something on the piano, he had to cajole a reluctant Diana into playing, but you let Ross Benson.
Lord Nicholas Soames is another one who went on national TV to besmirch Diana's name; he called her mad.
Diana had no choice but to write a book and speak to journalists in order to get her side of the story out there. Even her brother, the Earl, has said, he doesn't object to the fact that she told her story, he objected to how she was coerced to give permission for the Panorama story.
It's off putting how you minimize the abuse she was subjected to, and prop up her cheating husband who is arrogant and entitled.
Moreover, Diana did a better job of teaching the boys about their role and heritage. Harry who is like her in spirit continues to serve and build rapport with all manner of communities, whilst William who was taken under the wings of the queen is clearly imploding.
@@sevenwatson5854 Also, Diana didn't force herself on Charles, he's the one who deliberately pursued her for his own selfish reasons; him and Camilla figured she was young and timid enough not to interfere in their relationship.
Diana, unlike her sister Sarah, was besotted with him and failed to understand the depth of his unhealthy attachment to Camilla. Hiscattemots to ensnare her sister Sarah failed, because she was savvy enough to extract herself from his clutches; she deliberately gave a revealing interview to a journalist, forcing Charles to dump her, leaving her free to marry her real love; Neil MaCocordale.
Fact is, the royals were complicit in luring Diana into that sham marriage. They deliberately targeted her, because they were looking to anchor themselves on these shores- through her lineage,, William will be the 1st King in 400 years related to the Stuart kings, the last English and Scottish kings to rule England, Scotland and N. Ireland. Camilla was most unsuitable because, although related to Charles I, and his sons, she was also rumoured to be a descendant of Edward VIII.
A marriage between Charles and Camilla wouldn't have been suitable, more so considering they were potentially related. At the time royal family was actively looking to expand their gene pool/stop inbreeding in order to avoid perpetuating certain diseases and conditions eg Downs Syndrome (Queen Mother's family); Haemophilia (Victoria) and Porphyria (George III and Prince William.of Gloucester). Camilla was written out because she had Hanoverian blood, and not because of her wayward ways. They besmirched her reputation to justify their decision. Then again, she never loved Charles, APB was her 1st love. Sadly, APB didn't love her, he stayed cheating on her, when they were dating and throughout the marriage. He never loved her, that's why he was in bothered about her affair with HRH.
Diana was the victim of great manipulation involving the Queen Mother, Camilla, Charles and even Andrew Parker Bowles (he never loved Camilla, he married as a favour to the royal family- to get her away from Charles so he could move on with his life. It helped that she had some money inherited down her maternal line, thanks to her great grandmother's liaison with Edward VIII.
"I would very much like to go to Russia -- although the bastards murdered half my family." HRH The late Duke of Edinburgh, 1967.
Yep. And when “half of his family” begged for help, for entire year while it was still possible - they refused to help them.
@@milanamughal
It was Parliament that refused to help, really.
@@carlbirtles4518Based solidarity between Public Classes against the Noble Caste
@@carlbirtles4518 It wasn't just Parliament. George V ordered them to rescind the offer of safe passage due to fears of an uprising in Britain for harboring the Romanovs.
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Someone answered below, the king got cold feet, and dumped the cousin and his family.
Honestly, I am not surprised. But for them making such statements is simply ridiculous.
"You can be incredibly useful." - "That's a first" Somehow this gem slipped me when I watched the series...
I'm thrilled that the writers of The Crown decided to feature this vignette of the Royal Family's life in their fictionalized docu-drama. Though the dialogue is pure conjecture, this episode really did happen -- demonstrating the power of contemporary Science and affecting Russian history. Bravo!
The dialogue is awful. Trying to condense such a complex chemical and historic situation into two exposition dumps just doesn't work.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 The dialogue is indeed awful, so I suggest that people read about the finding of the Romanov remains and the DNA testing to which Prince Philip contributed in Robert K. Massie's book, "The Romanovs: The Final Chapter". Massie was the author of "Nicholas and Alexandra".
The history of Russia is one of continued gross incompetence at the highest levels of government. That’s why they’re always behind the west and seen as backwards. Always poorer, always less developed.
Even though Russia experienced the industrial revolution before China, Mexico, Japan, S Korea etc. These countries have all surpassed Russia in both GDP Per Capita and in the size of their overall economies. You know your country is badly run when Mexico is richer than you per Capita 😂
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Why it is awful?
@@user-pb7ch5kl8x I'll try to keep it brief. This is purely from the point of view of the drama and the story telling.
One of the principles of good scriptwriting is "Show, don't tell". There is _a lot_ of telling in this. We've also got the Queen stating the blatently obvious to the Duke. He knows who his grandmother was, and at the moment, we don't care, we can google her in the ad break.
The writers are also trying to make a comment about the difference in the Duke's relationships with the Queen and with Penny. Cramming that into two scenes already bulging with exposition is too much. At best, it looks like they can't think of a less clumsy way to make their point, at worst, it looks like they can't trust the viewers to pick up on more subtle clues laid down over a longer period. Apart from anything else, it refuces the Queen to a cipher for an information dump.
From a purely personal preference, I would say that a better approach would have been to have the furst conversation be between The Duke and one of the researchers. This would avoid the very clunky way in which the Queen told the Duke who his maternal grandmother was. We might be safe in assuming he didn't need to be told.
Avoiding lines like "Your Grandmother, Princess Victoria of Hesse", in an exchange of dialogue the Duke and the researcher _briefly_ fill us in on the details of how mitichondrial DNA links the Duke to the Tsarina.
When the Duke asks what they need, segue into the researcher in voiceover explaining "We take a sample of your blood..."
As he explains the process we see the Duke giving the blood sample, see the laboratory, the centrifuge, etc. We see the printout being produced and as the researcher holds it, we cross fade to the Duke holding it and showing it to Penny.
This would give a tighter, more visually interesting scene, rather than the really dated style of very old Sunday night serials. This reminds me very much of how historical dramas were done before "I, Claudius" blew the cobwebs out of the genre.
2:35 Philip is actually right on another level. DNA was also submitted by James Carnegie, 3rd Duke of Fife, the great-grandnephew of Nicholas II’s mother, Empress Maria Feodorovna and Countess Xenia Nikolaevna Sheremeteva, the maternal granddaughter of Nicholas II’s only niece Princess Irina Alexandrovna of Russia.
all the name that you have mentioned they only shared Mitochondrial DNA with Tsar Nicolas II but to Identify Tsarina Alexandra and her children they used prince philip's Mitochondrial DNA.
the high sparrow has moved high in life
Phillip's maternal grandmother WAS the Tsarina's eldest sister, after all!
Also, his maternal aunt, Louise, was the Queen of Sweden. Fascinating woman.
His grandmother you mentioned was equally fascinating.
@@errolpletcher9186 and Prince Phillip's mother is another fascinating woman! her life story is very interesting
She was also sister to the Princess Elizabeth who married the uncle - grand Duke Sergei of the murdered Tsar. Two of his great aunts married into the Romanovs.
@@user-sv8du2le1n Sergei was also assassinated!
This is one the reasons the Queen & Prince Phillip was so distant intellectually. He couldn't engage a conversation with her because of her limited education. However Prince Philip read a lot, had some freedom to have different friends & was more emotional than her. She was a leader, a symbol of strength & had power to influence the government. Perhaps that's why they needed each other, to do what the other couldn't.
you're basing this on a show thats has inaccuracies all over the place? lol. imagine taking a show as fact
@@MrSandman96 No I'm not basting it on anything. Chill!😔
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that they were able to have lots of conversations, considering how long they were married. Her book education may have been limited in some areas, but her world view education was on a level that would outclass most of us.
And he always maintained his youthful enthusiasm for anything new.
I see your point, though I disagree on the matter that it was "intellectually". I think that's all their discussion was, intellectual. And I think Phillip wanted more excitement in his life and we know with Elizabeth ,it was all about HER, even when she tried to make it about him. Penny sort of gave him his masculinity back by making it about him and sharing his interest and Elizabeth knew that she was not in the position to give him that.
The scene shows very well the two types of relations he had with these two so different women.
Only according to the script - not in real life
Prince Philip was his mothers child, he found enjoyment in the future generations, loved the thought of some council kid could contribute to something seemingly magical to previous generations that could better the future and why he was passionate about The Princes Trust.
Others in the nobility at whole mostly found wonder about their own blood lines and how them doing the littlest of effort to them should result in them getting all the praise of everything.
The Prince's Trust was set up by Charles, the Prince of Wales, in the mid 1970s - nothing to do with the then Duke of Edinburgh, although the Duke was involved in setting up of the Word Wildlife Fund along with many other notable organisations
I still feel bad the Romanovs. Poor leaders or not, heroes don’t drunkenly bayonet children in a basement.
Were the soldiers who killed the Romanovs ever referred to as heroes?
@@krashd To the socialists, they were. The Romanovs were deeply hated by then.
@@cainyourkids Which means basically everyone :^)
@cainyourkids No. One of the things most Socialist hated that the USSR did was the murder of the Romanov Children. Even Mao pardoned the emperor of China that directly collaborated with Japan during WW2 because of how bad the fallout of the Romanovs were.
@@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606 Yes, and the murder was a spontaneous thing by the local leadership in part due to the Czechoslovak Legion closing in on the city, but my point was that the Romanovs weren't liked.
The relationship between Philip and Penny was no different from Elizabeth’s relationship with Porchey, and I personally found the latter more unfair because Elizabeth knew Porchey carried a torch for her and that the family preferred him over Philip but she kept him around anyway. The only objectively odd thing about Penny and Philip is their age difference but it was a friendship built on trauma over their loss and renewed sense of life through carriage driving.
I sort of found it satisfying when Elizabeth tries to mention Porchey to Philip during “The Ritz” episode and he’s unfazed now that he had Penny to talk to. We need to remember that this man was denied so much and all he asked was approval for the platonic friendship.
Penny was his Mike Parker.
100% agree with you!
Elizabeth had no right to feel jealous or insecure about Penny’s friendship with Philip when she kept Porchey around knowing that he was in love with her. One could argue that the age difference between Penny and Philip was inappropriate, but they were two people who bonded over their mutual grief in familial losses and their love of carriage driving.
@@ShiningFriendship87 I think Penny had the misfortune of being an attractive young woman who presented an intellectual profile more in line with Philip and that unleashed the old insecurities that Elizabeth had in the past when Philp had those mysterious parties with company like beautiful and talented women who almost put on the edge of a very thin line their marriage. Elizabeth didn't care if Penny was helpless or if Philip was not sexually interested in his godson's wife, her physicality and intellect were potential threats especially when she was no longer a young woman anymore.
@@ShiningFriendship87 Another argument is that Philip constantly cheated on Elizabeth. I'm not condoning that, but he had to give up more than he hoped for and that can lead to restless behavior. Also, did Elizabeth ever consider how Porchey's wife must've felt with their intimate friendship?
@@lordalessan cheated? what nonsense
@@perperson199 I agree. All rubbish. However, some believe it and it is an embedded rumor in real life.
My dad spoke about how clever and witty Prince Phillip was when my sister got her duke of Edinburgh award.
A remarkably intelligant man often mistook for a buffoon
Remember 'The Crown' producers had to put a disclaimer in the credits of the last 2 series such was the level of concern over the fabrication & lies featured in the scripts. Previously, one of the producers publicly stated - "the viewing public are not stupid, they will know they are watching an adaption of how things could have happened, not how they actually did happen" - yeah right!!!
His DNA helps a lot
She is a delightful conversationalist. Such people are 💎 gems
I really like this scene but it may not have occurred to the writers that Penny's mother-in-law was a great-niece of Empress Alexandra and so her children would have this connection known to them as well.
yes but as already been explained is that Hollywood likes to reinvent history. Also, it was determined that Philip was the best possible candidate because he was a much closer relation as I explained above.
@@user-bx3hz6wl5m Sorry to be obtuse, but my point wasn't about the efficacy of the test results. This scene made it appear as if the close relation to Alexandra came as a surprise or was somehow linked to a distant past (to me at least, but recollections may differ).
@@josephlogue9175 Oh, I completely agree with you.
@@josephlogue9175 It would depend on if her mother is the niece or father the nephew of Empress Alexandra, if it's the mother then your correct but if it's via her father his mitochondrial DNA does not get passed on.
@@user-bx3hz6wl5mNot… really. The 3rd Duke of Fife and the Tsar’s great-grandniece Countess Xenia Sheremeteva were all also good candidates, and they submitted their DNA for testing. They also cracked open the marble tomb of the Tsar’s brother, Grand Duke George Alexandrovich, to test against the found bones.
such a great detail that they actually pronounce Romanov with the stress on the second syllable, not the first like most English speakers
"Didn't you ask?"
"... No."
🤣😂🤣
I like how Prince Philip has other interests like this.
Determined does not necessarily mean preordained.
The former Duke of Edinburgh & the Princess Royal both donated DNA to help identify the remains - in real life
This is a very interesting clip from the series I had not come across before
None of us! It was uplaoded nine hours ago. Completely agree with you tho
They'll use that but not Anee's kidnapping attempt! Go figure.
I love how they're actually eating and not just pushing around their food. That's realism!
Who we are is a complex mix of nature vs nurture vs freedom of choice.
I love the misleading title description under the video, " DNA reveals his connection to the Romanovs". He already knew quite well that not only was he related to the Romanovs on his maternal side but he was also an ACTUAL Romanov on his father's side. His paternal grandmother, Queen Olga of Greece was born Grand Duchess Olga Constantinovna Romanov. She was the grand daughter of Czar Nicholas the First and was born and raised in Russia. Philip wasn't just related indirectly related through his grand aunt, the Empress of Russia Alexandra (youngest sibling of his paternal grandmother, Victoria of Hesse and the Rhine) but he was also a direct blood member of the House of Romanov. I like how Hollywood tries to change history.
You seem to be missing the point.
They were trying to prove that the Russian corpses were Romanovs, using Philip ‘s DNA, not that Philip was related to them They already knew that, thus the need to use his DNA
Now we judt need to onow what happened to the Princes in the tower
Good thing they already found Richard III's most recent descendants; they just need to haul them back in.
There were small boy size bones found in the tower during some renovations. But EII wouldn’t allow them to be DNA tested.
I think she had them cremated & the urn is in Westminster Cathedral.
I wish she had been more open to having their DNA examined.
@@bonnieabrs1003 You might get your DNA wish, since there's a good chance they may be tested. I' hope they test them too. The bones were discovered in 1674, and Charles II had them placed in the urn in Westminster Abbey. They were examined again in 1933, but not cremated. Yes, during Elizabeth II's reign it was decided not to disturb them, but here's also the two mysterious coffins in Edward IV's vault at Windsor, and apparently Charles III is more open to solving the mystery.
Camilla had nothing to do with the 'Princes in the Tower' !!!
@@susanlockyer1192 please reread my comment. I said EII not QC!
"Alchemy" formally announced and accepted was just A prerequisite. The power of the mind is key and you don't need no DNA to prove that
"I read!" 😂
I really wish the Royal Family would permit DNA testing of the two small bodies found in a staircase in the Tower Of London to see if they were indeed the Princess in the Tower.
The way the characters mention their forebears’ names were very formal and unrealistic. The Queen would have definitely called Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine (later Victoria Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven), who was Prince Philip’s grandmother, simply as “Aunt Victoria” or “granny”.
No doubt you’re right but then barely anyone in the audience would have caught on. Most would have probably incorrectly guessed she meant Queen Victoria.
It's for audience's sake. After all, this is fiction.
Interesting fact, Princess Victoria of Hesse and the Queen’s grandfather, King George V, were first cousins. Victoria is depicted in photos of Prince Charles’ christening (to the left of him) along with Queen Mary, another great-grandmother of Prince Charles.
They were explaining the family tree to the audience.
Absolutely agree with that. That was something that always annoyed me with the series. Also, her ladies in waiting were all her cousins. In the show it shows that she never even talks to them. They are treated merely as servants. They were here relatives she knew her whole life.
It is true they used his DNA as he was related to them through both the Czar and Czarina. Their children were 2n cousins to him through one line and 3rd cousins through another line. They also proved Anna Anderson was not Anatasia through his DNA. She was already dead, but they had a specimen of her from a surgery she had that had been saved.
Prince Philip holding his knife as if it were a pen? Doubtful.
It helped solved the Romanov Mystery and let them rest in peace.
I once read that most continental conflicts in Europe have historically been family spats run amok. They're all intermarried. I suppose one can't choose family,..only friends.
Considering the kings of England, Germany, and Russia were literally cousins, It is one big family. (it's like one of those “degenerate” anime/ manga series where incest is the trope. Tho they, real life ones, are pretty far remove, I suppose, to avoid the issues of inbreeding)
turns out everyone is related!!
If I'm not mistaken, Elizabeth was 1st cousin 2 times removed from Nikolas Romanov. Likewise the children would be Philip's 1st cousins 2 times removed. Why couldn't they use her DNA?
They needed mitochondrial DNA. Hers would have come from her mother. Mitochondrial DNA only comes from the mother.
@@baiemichelle Mitochondrial DNA has nothing to do with Xs and Ys. It's a completely different kind of DNA and is extremely easy to isolate and determine in both men and women.
Because mithocondrial DNA is matrilinear, the Queen's mithocondrial DNA was thus much more distant to that of the Romanov children than the Prince's.
I remember reading this story when the Romanovs were identified but I’m pretty sure it was the Duke of Kent’s DNA and not Prince Philip’s. If you compare the profiles of the late Czar and Duke of Kent they are almost doppelgängers.
Though Duke Kent is related to Romanovs from both sides of his parents but he doesn't share Mitochondrial DNA(which only female line descendant have in common) with Romanovs.
Prince philip's Mitochondrial DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
For tsar Nicolas ii they use Mitochondrial DNA of his brother, his sister's descendants and 3rd duke of fife( grand son of tsar's 1st cousin Louis, princess royal duchess of fife)
"is it somehow preordained"
I like that line. The religious implications of it is quite wholesome.
Didn't Prince Michael of Kent also give a DNA sample?
I believe so. I think he went to a service to bury the remains.
@@emmaconway4274he did. He was the queens representative
Not all of the remains have been buried as of 2024. The ones from Alexei the Tzarevich and most likely Maria are still being held by the Russian government in state archives.
I don't believe he would have been able to--he WAS related to Nicholas on both his paternal and maternal side, but he would not have shared mitochondrial DNA with Nicholas nor y-DNA.
Michael's grandmother Grand Duchess Elena, was a Russian grand duchess, whose father, Grand Duke Vladimir, was the younger brother of Nicholas' father. But women don't inherit y-DNA, so Elena would not have had the DNA. Her brothers Kirill, Boris and Andrei would have, as would Kirill's son Vladimir and Andrei's (probable) son Vladimir, but all five died before the Romanov remains were found--Vladimir was alive in 1991 when the bones were discoverd, but died in 1992 before he could offer a sample. So because Elena was female, and because she only had daughters, she and her daughters did not share any y-DNA with Nicholas. Michael's y-DNA came from his father.
So what about on Michael's paternal side, then? George V and Nicholas II were first cousins, but it was their mothers that were sisters, so they both had different y-DNA from their fathers. And while Nicholas did have matrilineal DNA from his mother, Michael's matrilineal DNA came from his mother Marina, so it also would not have been a match.
As far as I can remember, Philip gave a sample because he shared mDNA with Alexandra as she was his great-aunt and he had matrilineal DNA via his mother and grandmother that would have been shared with her and the children. Nicholas' great-grand niece, Xenia Sheremeteva, the great-granddaughter of his sister Grand Duchess Xenia, was able to give a matrilineal sample with Nicholas. The late Duke of Fife also gave a sample, since he also shares matrilineal DNA with Nicholas because his maternal great-grandmother was the older sister of Nicholas' mother.
I believe also at some point, Nicholas' father's remains were exhumed to test as well.
I thought it was Prince Andrew.
He was rude to that lizard.
I would one day love to go back to Moscow Russia i was born their my middle name is Anastasia. I have greek blood Im still shocked about that!
Remember Prince Philip’s mother Princess Alice personally knew the Romanov family cause she used to baby sit Nicholas/Alix’s children in the 1900s and early 1910s Princess Alice once mentioned that she didn’t like it when GD Anastasia would put thumb tac on the chairs and that she was a big spoiled brat always playing pranks.
thumb tacks in chairs - must be where Diana & her brother Charles got the idea when they were children & wanted to get rid of maids & nannies they didn't like etc
The Tsar's mother and King George V's mother were sisters. Danish princesses. So the Tsar and King George were cousins. Queen Elizabeth, being King George's granddaughter, was therefore also a cousin of the Tsar.
Let me just warn everyone, even if determinism is absolute and everything that will be is mathematically inevitable...it is *very* unhealthy and counterproductive mentally to think this way. Regardless of the truth, at least pretend you have some agency and control over your own life.
The Crown has very little basis in fact. Should have never been shown. Too many bobbleheads that watched it quote it as fact when it is not.
E se non avesse avuto ,INASPETTATAMENTE, nessun legame?😳😳😳
IMBARAZZANTE
They also use dna from Prince Michael of Kent
Don't forget the european monarchies are all related.. genetically and in name
Would Prince Phillip have held his knife and fork that way... It seems odd.
Penny ❤️🔥
Who is the blond female that is so enthralled with the results
Penny Knatchbull, I assume
It's Dr. Halsey from the Halo TV show
First comment got it right on the name, I suppose, but the actress is quite well known. Her most well known role, to me at least, is the girl that Truman falls in love with in The Truman Show, though. Seeing her in anything at all always takes me back to that role
@@SR-iy4gg How did she get to meet Prince Philip please? Was it just some kind of interview or was she a friend of him?
@@ulefab7503 She was the daughter in law of his cousin Patricia Mountbatten.
And wht about he had had no link ( him)
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...dna can be used in an awful lot of stuff.....
I thought it had been Prince Michael if Kent who helped.
They both did.
It wasn't phillip it was the duke of kent who has the DNA
You are wrong they used Mitochondrial DNA to Identify Romanovs.
Duke of Kent don't share Mitochondrial DNA which only passed through maternal line with Romanovs but prince philip's DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
Tsar was Identify through Mitochondrial DNA of his brother, his sister's grand daughter and 3rd duke of fife(grand son of tsar's maternal 1st cousin Louise, princess royal)
Wasn't Queen Elizabeth also directly related to the last Tsar? Why not use her DNA?
Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother only.
Because she didn't share matrillineal DNA with tsar or his family. Matrillineal DNA passes from mother to her children unchanged.
Had queen Elizabeth II been related to Nicholas II in purely female line she would share the same matrillineal DNA as him. Considering she got her matrillineal DNA from her mother (who was not royalty, but scottish and irish nobility) she wouldn't be able to help with it.
That is why prince Philip gave his DNA. He was descended from grand duchess Alice of Hesse and by Rhine in purely female line so he still shared the same matrillineal DNA as empress Alexandra and her children.
She was his cousin. Through her grandfather George V who was also the Tsar's cousin.
There were many Romanovs living at this point why didn't they use their blood ?
NONE. The soviets killed them all so only foreign connection remained.
As it's stated here that, because so much time has been passed almost 70 years that's why only Mitochondrial DNA can be use to Identify Romanovs.
Mitochondrial DNA only shared by female line descendant.
Philip was great nephew of last Tsarina Alexandra as Tsarina and philip's maternal grandmother princess victoria of Hesse and by Rhine were sisters therefore Philip shared Mitochondrial DNA with Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
Philip's DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
To Identify Tsar Nicolas II, they opened tomb of Tsar's brother grand Duke George, they took Mitochondrial DNA from Tsar's sisters xenia's grand daughter, and 3rd duke of fife who was grand son of tsar's maternal cousin Louise princess royal.
Could find his dna in some poor young girl
Couldn't they have also used the DNA of any of the sons or daughters of his sisters?
yes
It's better if it came from Phillip or his brother if he had any.
No, unlike the rest of their genes, mitochondrial DNA is only passed down through the maternal line. Philip's children wouldn't inherit his mitochondrial DNA. They only inherit their Elisabeth's mitochondrial DNA.
Everything about mitochondrial is actually pretty fascinating, but here is a relevant quote from Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA:
"In sexual reproduction, mitochondria are normally inherited exclusively from the mother; the mitochondria in mammalian sperm are usually destroyed by the egg cell after fertilization. Also, mitochondria are only in the sperm tail, which is used for propelling the sperm cells and sometimes the tail is lost during fertilization. In 1999 it was reported that paternal sperm mitochondria (containing mtDNA) are marked with ubiquitin to select them for later destruction inside the embryo."
@@alisonerekson3292his sister’s sons or daughters would have been fine.
@@alisonerekson3292 But Phillip and his sisters would have the same Mitochondrial DNA as his mother (and the Romanovs). And the children of his Sisters would also have the same wouldn't they? There were several surviving Nieces and Nephews of Phillip alive at the time as well. Philip was one generation closer though.
Couldnt they ahve just as easiky used elozabeth? She was not only philips second cousin but would nt she be related to the romanovs ?? As well?? As decendent of George?
Mitochondrial DNA could only come from Phillip's side.
@@krashd they all come form Victoria unless I am mistaken ?? I m sure I missed something here thats just what I saw...
@@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq they all came from Queen Victoria but Elizabeth II is male line descendant of Queen victoria on the other hand Philip is female line descendant of Queen victoria.
Queen Elizabeth ii had Mitochondrial DNA from her mother Queen Elizabeth the Queen mother while Philip had Mitochondrial DNA from his mother princess Alice of battenberg who was niece of Tsarina Alexandra.
Philip got his Mitochondrial DNA from Queen Victoria but Elizabeth II got her Mitochondrial DNA from her maternal family.
@@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq Though Tsar Nicolas II and king George V were maternal cousins and they shared Mitochondrial DNA but George V's children got their Mitochondrial DNA from Queen Mary.
But George V's sister and maternal 1st cousin of Tsar Nicolas II, Louise princess royal 's grand son 3rd duke of fife's Mitochondrial DNA was used for identifying Tsar Nicolas II.
Who the blond woman he is talking to?
Penny, his best friend and niece through marriage.
Honestly, I think the Soviets would’ve been more liked if they had kept the Romanovs as figureheads or spared them to live in exile
Interesting premise, but highly doubtful. Having the Czar around even as a puppet or figurehead would have meant the constant threat of counter revolution. Which is why Edward VIII was banished from the UK. Can't have split loyalties for Crown or country. -mikenotpaula.
@@michaelzmudzinski7984 well then sparing them would’ve painted the Soviets in a better light. And allowing them to leave in exile would show their word can be trusted
@@Inquisitor-Bealsbut itd also leave this hanging thread in their faces of "what if they find a way to come back?"
The soviets were paranoid murderous assholes, especially in the early days.
Theyd never risk it
While an interesting thought, I find it unlikely. Even in exile, a living Nicholas and/or Alexi could serve as a figurehead for counter revolution. They wouldn't have even had to consent to it, just being alive and visible would have done it.
It is, possible, however, that Alexandra and her daughters could have been spared. Russian succession law meant that they had no claim on the throne, so they at least could have been exiled abroad into the care of their relatives.
@@Chandra614 The Bolsheviks didn't care. They murdered the entire family. Because the Bolsheviks were monsters.
Why is Prince Philip holding his knife like a pencil? 😢
I seriously doubt if a royal prince would have held his knife like that. Trivial, sure; but very much a British shibboleth.
Sloppy directing.
It's not Prince Philip - it's the actor Jonathan Pryce
@@susanlockyer1192 obviously, it's an actor but it's sloppy directing!
Just realizing now, Jonathan Price looks more like the older King Charles we know today. Just give him the right hair, and he could pass at the older Charles.
They've come a long way since Ronin. Glad to know they're not in the terrorism business anymore.
Well, in the UK, Philip always had to stay three steps behind his queen and wife, and in the other two royal houses from which he descended, he was far away from the line of succession. No wonder he was delighted to have the genes of a third royal family that even his Elizabeth couldn't boast of. It's just a shame that his queen was only interested in the ancestry and genetics of racehorses ;).
He always knew about his connections to the Romanovs. It wasn't a new discovery for him.
Is it just me or is Jonathan pryce a bad prince phillip
Probably just following the script - the writers/producers weren't particularly known for their interest in the facts
I can’t stand to watch people talk while they’re eating.
That also seems strange. And holding his knife like a pen?
British people also hold their forks upside down. I know, I know, it’s their tradition but when I see Americans do that, it comes off as very pretentious to me. 🥱
@@A2D4as do you, to them. You see, holding a fork, upside down would mean you’re holding it by its tines
You’re right, literally speaking, of course. My mistake. I guess the thing that I don’t understand is that it seems that from a gravity standpoint, the shape of the tines indicates how food should be placed . When a fork is held with the curve on top, food would more easily fall off. Just seems impractical to me but then I wasn’t raised that way.
Meal times are one of the few times that family members are together in one room, it is normal to talk, in fact in some places it's considered rude if you don't talk during a meal. Here in the UK it's common to talk when eating.
Wonder what MeGains would reveal
What do you do to the thumbnails to make them look so creepy and awful? The processed AI look sucks.
His genes was Russian, German and Greek.?
No Greek, they were “Danish”
@@Duquedecastro His father was "appointed" the king of Greece, but his heritage was Danish.
@@JimMac23 I put Danish is quotations because they were really German from Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Beck and the Oldenburgs, that’s not Danish
@@JimMac23 And it was his grandfather George I of Greece, not his father
all the royal families across europe and eastern Europe were all related. WW1 was nothing more than infighting among male cousins.
The former royals were the reason the Russian royal family were unable to escape.
Poor family were excuted because the British royal family refused to allow them to come to uk for safety.
They did actually offer asylum at first but the kids were sick too travel, also WW1 was still going on they had to withdraw their support. Bear in mind that Alexandra was actually German, even in Russia people were very suspicious of her. If the British Royal Family had granted them asylum, they would've been accused of helping the enemy. The show actually covers this.
Why would they risk their lives to save the naughty relatives?
how do you think Tsarina Maria (Dagmar of Denmark) escaped? King George V sent HMS Marlborough to rescue her. Theres many pictures of it in the internet. It was Nicholas and Alexandra not making sure to secure the children thats why the Bolsheviks managed to capture and end them all. They were offered help and asylum discreetly until they got completely cut off. That blunder was another testament how Nicholas II is not fit to be Tsar. He could not even secure his own family.
@@isobelduncan Plus they did not want to rile up socialists in the UK who only needed an excuse to start their own revolution, the government warned the Royals of this as soon as they offered to help the Romanovs.
Buddy, the Romanovs weren't just hated in Russia. All their shenanigans leading up to Nicholas' abdication put a bad taste in the mouth for most of Europe. The reason why the UK or Germany refused to evacuate the Romanovs and grant asylum is because of how up in flames the public would be - sure, George V could have had his cousin Nicky over, but that would mean accepting the possibility of the people revolting to the point of a constitutional crisis...and Parliament will refuse to let the monarch do anything to create such a chaos in the governing.
What education level did this woman have? The queen was a little slow.
Very little compared to Phillip, which is why they did not have much in common.
The Crown was a fictional tv series using the names & likeness of real people
@@susanlockyer1192 oh so she was highly educated is what you are trying to say? Explain.
@@Taeallday802 Yes - she may have been 'home schooled' as we would say now, but she had several university tutors for her teachers - the only thing she needed help with after becoming Queen was how the political system worked or didn't work
@@susanlockyer1192 Thanks for the info. I should have not been so lazy I forget google is my friend.
They should give Harry a DNA test and find out who his dad is.
I have often looked at Prince Phillip and the pictures of his family. Maybe they need to take DNA of Queens 4 children and fibd their father.. Those 4 ugly children didn't get his family's good looks. Not that it would matter as the so called crown ran through her.
@@reneedaughter Eh. Take a look at Prince Andrea of Greece, Philip's father. He was certainly no looker. The Greek men in general were very hit or miss. Andrea's older brother George was a good looking man, but then their younger brother Christopher was very plain looking, as was the eldest, Constantine. And even among Constantine's sons, the eldest, another George, was no looker at all, while the youngest, Paul, was quite handsome, and Paul's son Constantine was definitely a good looking young man in his youth.
Philip is lucky in the sense that he favors his Hesse/Battenberg side more. I think Anne resembles him a bit but unfortunately, the Mary of Teck genes hit all three sons like a brick.
His father is King Charles. Harry looks like Diana's family.
@@reneedaughterDon't be stupid. It's very clear he's their father and Harry in some ways is a dead Ringer for Philip, just not attractive like him.
@Rumkitty2000 Check YOURSELF and see an optalmologist- Not one of the late Queen children resembles Phillip. They all look like Mary of Tecks' family (great grandmother).
Who is that blond supposed to be?? I hope not Anne LOL. I stopped watching the show once Diana came on the scene cuz that happened in my lifetime and seemed a lil too real.
That's Penny.
And if the english family saved the russian one imagine.
They did actually offer asylum at first but the kids were sick too travel, also WW1 was still going on they had to withdraw their support. Bear in mind that Alexandra was actually German, even in Russia people were very suspicious of her. If the British Royal Family had granted them asylum, they would've been accused of helping the enemy. The show actually covers this.
A lesser royal who married up.
Royalty is a fictional construct for money and power anyway. They sit on the pot just like anyone else. They had some money grasping psychopath ancestors. Big deal.
Please don't speak of the late queen in those disrespectful terms
@@clivecowlard7098 Clutch your pearls.
@@clivecowlard7098 Please don't give orders. She wasn't special.
But with a more impressive royal pedigree than his wife, for sure.
At 3:30 There is only 2 Wills.. Seperate Will and God's Will. In order to go back to the Truth you have to give back your Seperate Will and Surrender to God's Will.
How horrible the British have been.
They did actually offer asylum at first but the kids were sick too travel, also WW1 was still going on they had to withdraw their support. Bear in mind that Alexandra was actually German, even in Russia people were very suspicious of her. If the British Royal Family had granted them asylum, they would've been accused of helping the enemy. The show actually covers this.
The tsar and his family were under arrest in Russia. The Russian revolutionaries would never have let them leave the country.
Terrible cast
I think they did pretty well with the three Elizabeth’s, but this last Philip is off the mark for sure. I just don’t see him as Phillip at all.
I bet they don't talk about Prince Philip going to Jeffrey Epstein's island in this series.
Of course they won't, because there's no chance in a million years he would ever have done anything like that. It would be like something out of Monty Python.
Oh, please. That never happened. Now Prince Andrew, however.
@@JimMac23 fuck the royal family and fuck their traditions.
@@JimMac23 fuck the royal family and fuck their traditions.
How about Bill Clinton visiting the island 16 times & Hilary 8 times
Reminder that Prince Philip's relatives, the Romanovs, conquered, colonized and oppressed the majority of what became the USSR. If it weren't for the Romanovs, then Stalin would never have existed.
I rather think Prince Philip wasn't even born at the period in history that your are thinking of - it's like blaming him for his sisters marrying men who later became Nazi's - Philip's closest sister was 12/13yrs when Philip was born
@@susanlockyer1192 Yes, you're right, the same royal family that enslaved Russia, also started WW1 and also supported Hitler. In addition to the horrors of British colonialism. Great bunch of people! It's no wonder they changed their name in 1917 from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor, otherwise people like you might notice a pattern!
@@inflivia The Nazi movement began some time in the 1920s - the Saxe -Coburg-Gothas changed their name to Windsor during WWI - I don't know where you are coming from with your reply. But you might bear in mind colonialism was also practicised by the Germans, Italians, Dutch, French, Portugese, Spain - I may have left out one of two there but it was not merely a practice of the British
@@susanlockyer1192 My point is Philip was an apologist for the Romanovs, seeing no fault in their behaviour. This perspective aligns with the broader conduct of Germanic royals, so it's not surprising. It's important to remember that our royal family shares a similar mindset with those who contributed to the rise of Stalin.
I love the way the queen says DNA in the same way your baby boomer/ileny.generation parent or grandparent says things "World. Wide. Web" or "Tik. Tok.". Very realistic for someone who grew up before the war.
* silent generation
Ageism strikes again. I am a of the baby boom generation (“boomer” has become such a slur I don’t use it) and have never said “World.wide.web” and I have never heard my peers say it that way either.
@@catherinethibeault6636 no ageism. It's just when older people hear of newly created vocabulary they often put a lot of emphasis on the syllables. Good acting by Imelda.