I've never been a fan. Her tantrums at polo matches, her not allowing staff to teach the boys in their charge consequences or anything of benefit and her manipulation of journalists is the true Diana....let's not forget her dating a sisters ex boyfriend and was so much Lydia in Pride and Prejudice that we could almost see her saying to her sisters "I come before you now" we all knew she loved the Crown not Charles just to be superior to her sisters. Actions speak louder than words.
@@highcountrydelatiteA lot of people think about her, that is whyCharles or Camilla are unpopular, and as a result the Crown is very unpopular, especially amongst people between 18-50 years. The popularity of the Monarchy between 18-50 year olds on average is less than 50% across the various age groups. I am 49 years, I remember Diana and I salute her for withstanding the bullshyt thrown her way, ND for fighting back.
@@sevenwatson5854 Diana's choices weren't made in a vacuum, she was reacting to the abuse from Charles and the royal family. Charles felt insecure and hated her because she easily eclipsed him in popularity, yet it wasn't her fault she was more popular. Instead of working with her he began to abuse her and belittle her. He was carrying on with Camilla, ND when she objected he used his media cronies and aristocratic friends to belittle her in the press. Ross Benson, Ingrid Seward's late husband, Daily Mail columnist, former Gordosntoun alumni, philanderer in chief, accused Diana of deliberately trying to outshine Charles on the 1984 tour of Australia, whilst at a visit to a music conservatoire. In his book, he claims, Diana rose unbidden to show off her piano skills, when in reality, it was the Principal of the Conservatoire who asked Diana to play something on the piano, he had to cajole a reluctant Diana into playing, but you let Ross Benson. Lord Nicholas Soames is another one who went on national TV to besmirch Diana's name; he called her mad. Diana had no choice but to write a book and speak to journalists in order to get her side of the story out there. Even her brother, the Earl, has said, he doesn't object to the fact that she told her story, he objected to how she was coerced to give permission for the Panorama story. It's off putting how you minimize the abuse she was subjected to, and prop up her cheating husband who is arrogant and entitled. Moreover, Diana did a better job of teaching the boys about their role and heritage. Harry who is like her in spirit continues to serve and build rapport with all manner of communities, whilst William who was taken under the wings of the queen is clearly imploding.
@@sevenwatson5854 Also, Diana didn't force herself on Charles, he's the one who deliberately pursued her for his own selfish reasons; him and Camilla figured she was young and timid enough not to interfere in their relationship. Diana, unlike her sister Sarah, was besotted with him and failed to understand the depth of his unhealthy attachment to Camilla. Hiscattemots to ensnare her sister Sarah failed, because she was savvy enough to extract herself from his clutches; she deliberately gave a revealing interview to a journalist, forcing Charles to dump her, leaving her free to marry her real love; Neil MaCocordale. Fact is, the royals were complicit in luring Diana into that sham marriage. They deliberately targeted her, because they were looking to anchor themselves on these shores- through her lineage,, William will be the 1st King in 400 years related to the Stuart kings, the last English and Scottish kings to rule England, Scotland and N. Ireland. Camilla was most unsuitable because, although related to Charles I, and his sons, she was also rumoured to be a descendant of Edward VIII. A marriage between Charles and Camilla wouldn't have been suitable, more so considering they were potentially related. At the time royal family was actively looking to expand their gene pool/stop inbreeding in order to avoid perpetuating certain diseases and conditions eg Downs Syndrome (Queen Mother's family); Haemophilia (Victoria) and Porphyria (George III and Prince William.of Gloucester). Camilla was written out because she had Hanoverian blood, and not because of her wayward ways. They besmirched her reputation to justify their decision. Then again, she never loved Charles, APB was her 1st love. Sadly, APB didn't love her, he stayed cheating on her, when they were dating and throughout the marriage. He never loved her, that's why he was in bothered about her affair with HRH. Diana was the victim of great manipulation involving the Queen Mother, Camilla, Charles and even Andrew Parker Bowles (he never loved Camilla, he married as a favour to the royal family- to get her away from Charles so he could move on with his life. It helped that she had some money inherited down her maternal line, thanks to her great grandmother's liaison with Edward VIII.
@@carlbirtles4518 It wasn't just Parliament. George V ordered them to rescind the offer of safe passage due to fears of an uprising in Britain for harboring the Romanovs.
@@carlbirtles4518 Someone answered below, the king got cold feet, and dumped the cousin and his family. Honestly, I am not surprised. But for them making such statements is simply ridiculous.
2:35 Philip is actually right on another level. DNA was also submitted by James Carnegie, 3rd Duke of Fife, the great-grandnephew of Nicholas II’s mother, Empress Maria Feodorovna and Countess Xenia Nikolaevna Sheremeteva, the maternal granddaughter of Nicholas II’s only niece Princess Irina Alexandrovna of Russia.
all the name that you have mentioned they only shared Mitochondrial DNA with Tsar Nicolas II but to Identify Tsarina Alexandra and her children they used prince philip's Mitochondrial DNA.
I'm thrilled that the writers of The Crown decided to feature this vignette of the Royal Family's life in their fictionalized docu-drama. Though the dialogue is pure conjecture, this episode really did happen -- demonstrating the power of contemporary Science and affecting Russian history. Bravo!
@@zacmumblethunder7466 The dialogue is indeed awful, so I suggest that people read about the finding of the Romanov remains and the DNA testing to which Prince Philip contributed in Robert K. Massie's book, "The Romanovs: The Final Chapter". Massie was the author of "Nicholas and Alexandra".
The history of Russia is one of continued gross incompetence at the highest levels of government. That’s why they’re always behind the west and seen as backwards. Always poorer, always less developed. Even though Russia experienced the industrial revolution before China, Mexico, Japan, S Korea etc. These countries have all surpassed Russia in both GDP Per Capita and in the size of their overall economies. You know your country is badly run when Mexico is richer than you per Capita 😂
@@Крэйден_х I'll try to keep it brief. This is purely from the point of view of the drama and the story telling. One of the principles of good scriptwriting is "Show, don't tell". There is _a lot_ of telling in this. We've also got the Queen stating the blatently obvious to the Duke. He knows who his grandmother was, and at the moment, we don't care, we can google her in the ad break. The writers are also trying to make a comment about the difference in the Duke's relationships with the Queen and with Penny. Cramming that into two scenes already bulging with exposition is too much. At best, it looks like they can't think of a less clumsy way to make their point, at worst, it looks like they can't trust the viewers to pick up on more subtle clues laid down over a longer period. Apart from anything else, it refuces the Queen to a cipher for an information dump. From a purely personal preference, I would say that a better approach would have been to have the furst conversation be between The Duke and one of the researchers. This would avoid the very clunky way in which the Queen told the Duke who his maternal grandmother was. We might be safe in assuming he didn't need to be told. Avoiding lines like "Your Grandmother, Princess Victoria of Hesse", in an exchange of dialogue the Duke and the researcher _briefly_ fill us in on the details of how mitichondrial DNA links the Duke to the Tsarina. When the Duke asks what they need, segue into the researcher in voiceover explaining "We take a sample of your blood..." As he explains the process we see the Duke giving the blood sample, see the laboratory, the centrifuge, etc. We see the printout being produced and as the researcher holds it, we cross fade to the Duke holding it and showing it to Penny. This would give a tighter, more visually interesting scene, rather than the really dated style of very old Sunday night serials. This reminds me very much of how historical dramas were done before "I, Claudius" blew the cobwebs out of the genre.
She was also sister to the Princess Elizabeth who married the uncle - grand Duke Sergei of the murdered Tsar. Two of his great aunts married into the Romanovs.
I believe Philip had a Russian grandmother, but I don't know how she may have been related to Nicholas or any other Romanov. I guess I can go look it up....
Charting his career progression as if it was all one character would be pretty funny. Did Royal Governor of a Caribbean island come before or after High Sparrow? Where does being an Argentine dictator slot in, was that after his term as Pope?
Prince Philip was his mothers child, he found enjoyment in the future generations, loved the thought of some council kid could contribute to something seemingly magical to previous generations that could better the future and why he was passionate about The Princes Trust. Others in the nobility at whole mostly found wonder about their own blood lines and how them doing the littlest of effort to them should result in them getting all the praise of everything.
The Prince's Trust was set up by Charles, the Prince of Wales, in the mid 1970s - nothing to do with the then Duke of Edinburgh, although the Duke was involved in setting up of the Word Wildlife Fund along with many other notable organisations
This is one the reasons the Queen & Prince Phillip was so distant intellectually. He couldn't engage a conversation with her because of her limited education. However Prince Philip read a lot, had some freedom to have different friends & was more emotional than her. She was a leader, a symbol of strength & had power to influence the government. Perhaps that's why they needed each other, to do what the other couldn't.
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that they were able to have lots of conversations, considering how long they were married. Her book education may have been limited in some areas, but her world view education was on a level that would outclass most of us.
I see your point, though I disagree on the matter that it was "intellectually". I think that's all their discussion was, intellectual. And I think Phillip wanted more excitement in his life and we know with Elizabeth ,it was all about HER, even when she tried to make it about him. Penny sort of gave him his masculinity back by making it about him and sharing his interest and Elizabeth knew that she was not in the position to give him that.
My dad spoke about how clever and witty Prince Phillip was when my sister got her duke of Edinburgh award. A remarkably intelligant man often mistook for a buffoon
A shame what happened to the Romanov's. Tsar Nicholas II wasn't the smartest, but getting shot up with his family in a basement by his own people... tragic.
That's a myth that's been promoted by communists for over one hundred years. He spoke 5 languages fluently, it was said his Russian has a slight foreign accent. He started 50,000 new churches and 1500 new schools he started the process for land ownership.
He wasn't ready to become the Czar when is Father died much earlier than expected. I think given more time in the proverbial passenger seat would have added him in being a better leader.
The relationship between Philip and Penny was no different from Elizabeth’s relationship with Porchey, and I personally found the latter more unfair because Elizabeth knew Porchey carried a torch for her and that the family preferred him over Philip but she kept him around anyway. The only objectively odd thing about Penny and Philip is their age difference but it was a friendship built on trauma over their loss and renewed sense of life through carriage driving. I sort of found it satisfying when Elizabeth tries to mention Porchey to Philip during “The Ritz” episode and he’s unfazed now that he had Penny to talk to. We need to remember that this man was denied so much and all he asked was approval for the platonic friendship. Penny was his Mike Parker.
100% agree with you! Elizabeth had no right to feel jealous or insecure about Penny’s friendship with Philip when she kept Porchey around knowing that he was in love with her. One could argue that the age difference between Penny and Philip was inappropriate, but they were two people who bonded over their mutual grief in familial losses and their love of carriage driving.
@@ShiningFriendship87 I think Penny had the misfortune of being an attractive young woman who presented an intellectual profile more in line with Philip and that unleashed the old insecurities that Elizabeth had in the past when Philp had those mysterious parties with company like beautiful and talented women who almost put on the edge of a very thin line their marriage. Elizabeth didn't care if Penny was helpless or if Philip was not sexually interested in his godson's wife, her physicality and intellect were potential threats especially when she was no longer a young woman anymore.
@@ShiningFriendship87 Another argument is that Philip constantly cheated on Elizabeth. I'm not condoning that, but he had to give up more than he hoped for and that can lead to restless behavior. Also, did Elizabeth ever consider how Porchey's wife must've felt with their intimate friendship?
It is true they used his DNA as he was related to them through both the Czar and Czarina. Their children were 2n cousins to him through one line and 3rd cousins through another line. They also proved Anna Anderson was not Anatasia through his DNA. She was already dead, but they had a specimen of her from a surgery she had that had been saved.
I’ve never seen this show but this was a really interesting scene. It’s so tragic what happened to the Romanovs. Czar Nicholas II was a very optimistic man. So he advocated his throne and believed that would have been enough. Instead they were pulled from their beds one night and sentenced to death up against a wall in the basement. Absolutely tragic. I pray that the Lord was with them in their final moments.
I really like this scene but it may not have occurred to the writers that Penny's mother-in-law was a great-niece of Empress Alexandra and so her children would have this connection known to them as well.
yes but as already been explained is that Hollywood likes to reinvent history. Also, it was determined that Philip was the best possible candidate because he was a much closer relation as I explained above.
@@HarryPost-o9c Sorry to be obtuse, but my point wasn't about the efficacy of the test results. This scene made it appear as if the close relation to Alexandra came as a surprise or was somehow linked to a distant past (to me at least, but recollections may differ).
@@GeorgeKenmore It would depend on if her mother is the niece or father the nephew of Empress Alexandra, if it's the mother then your correct but if it's via her father his mitochondrial DNA does not get passed on.
@@HarryPost-o9cNot… really. The 3rd Duke of Fife and the Tsar’s great-grandniece Countess Xenia Sheremeteva were all also good candidates, and they submitted their DNA for testing. They also cracked open the marble tomb of the Tsar’s brother, Grand Duke George Alexandrovich, to test against the found bones.
i loved this episode, to see phillip light up on the Prospect of helping to find his family and he lights up when he can be useful. the part i giggle at is the "I read" and her "hmmm" it's such a cute moment. touché!
I didn't see the last series with Imelda Staunton but now that I have seen some clips I can see she did an extraordinary job, worthy of Clare Foy's performance.
Remember 'The Crown' producers had to put a disclaimer in the credits of the last 2 series such was the level of concern over the fabrication & lies featured in the scripts. Previously, one of the producers publicly stated - "the viewing public are not stupid, they will know they are watching an adaption of how things could have happened, not how they actually did happen" - yeah right!!!
Sadly viewers are often stupid. You only have to look at the reaction to a character in Coronation Street being jailed. It led to complaining to members of Parliament and campaigns in tabloids to have her freed.
It's tellingly ironic that the writer's of a fictionalized drama about the British royals took the same position that The Firm is often seen doing and misjudging how the general public will interpret their intentions.
@@Buckboy2024A while back, I was speaking to a Russian waiter at a local restaurant. He actually pronounced Romanov with the stress on the second syllable. I assume this is the correct pronunciation of the name even in Russian.
For those who dont know, Princess Victoria of Hesse was the mother of Princess Alice of Greece and Denmark, Prince Philip's mother. Basically a direct link to Tsarina Alexandra of Russia (formerly Princess Alix of Hesse and By Rhine). Both Alix and Victoria were grand children of Queen Victoria of the UK through her daughter Princess Alice who became Grand Duchess of Hesse and By Rhine when she married the Grand Duke of Hesse and By Rhine.
Prince Phillip is also a Romanov via his father - Prince Andrew was the son of Queen Olga of the Hellenes, nee a Grand Duchess of Russia, and the granddaughter of a Tsar (aunt of the last Tsar). It baffles me how the authors skipped that bit when it shows an even more direct association with the Romanovs.
@@ΔάφνηΣτυλιανίδουbecause the dna used was only possible through a maternal line. That way even queen Elizabeth was more closely related to the Emperor and his family through her great grandmother by her father’s line as she was Princess Alexandra of Denmark queen of UK, her sister was princess dagmar of Denmark aka empress Maria feodrovna of Russia, so the queen had a more direct link to the imperial Russian family but through a paternal line not a maternal one hence Philips connection to the Romanov’s through his mother was better then through his father also his maternal line consisted of only females being his mother, grand mother and her sister Princess alix
Elizabeth II herself was also related to the Romanovs. The Tsarina Alexandra was the daughter of Princess Alice, daughter of Queen Victoria. That is the reason why Nicholas and Alexandra's son, the Tsarevich Alexei had haemophilia because Victoria was a carrier.
I quite sympathize with Philip at 1:27, but on another level he's a little unfair. The Queen had assimilated plenty of information and presented it to him coherently. What more does he want? If he's willing he can get in touch with the doctors and then they'll tell him what they want. At this stage of the conversation, the fact of a DNA sample is what's relevant, more than the means.
And besides, it's all fictional anyway. To my best knowledge (from biographies and interviews), while the Queen did not have much in the line of formal education (what were her parents thinking?!), she was well-informed and up-to-date in many subjects, and kept on learning. 🤷
@cainyourkids No. One of the things most Socialist hated that the USSR did was the murder of the Romanov Children. Even Mao pardoned the emperor of China that directly collaborated with Japan during WW2 because of how bad the fallout of the Romanovs were.
@@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606 Yes, and the murder was a spontaneous thing by the local leadership in part due to the Czechoslovak Legion closing in on the city, but my point was that the Romanovs weren't liked.
There were small boy size bones found in the tower during some renovations. But EII wouldn’t allow them to be DNA tested. I think she had them cremated & the urn is in Westminster Cathedral. I wish she had been more open to having their DNA examined.
@@bonnieabrs1003 You might get your DNA wish, since there's a good chance they may be tested. I' hope they test them too. The bones were discovered in 1674, and Charles II had them placed in the urn in Westminster Abbey. They were examined again in 1933, but not cremated. Yes, during Elizabeth II's reign it was decided not to disturb them, but here's also the two mysterious coffins in Edward IV's vault at Windsor, and apparently Charles III is more open to solving the mystery.
Not all of the remains have been buried as of 2024. The ones from Alexei the Tzarevich and most likely Maria are still being held by the Russian government in state archives.
I don't believe he would have been able to--he WAS related to Nicholas on both his paternal and maternal side, but he would not have shared mitochondrial DNA with Nicholas nor y-DNA. Michael's grandmother Grand Duchess Elena, was a Russian grand duchess, whose father, Grand Duke Vladimir, was the younger brother of Nicholas' father. But women don't inherit y-DNA, so Elena would not have had the DNA. Her brothers Kirill, Boris and Andrei would have, as would Kirill's son Vladimir and Andrei's (probable) son Vladimir, but all five died before the Romanov remains were found--Vladimir was alive in 1991 when the bones were discoverd, but died in 1992 before he could offer a sample. So because Elena was female, and because she only had daughters, she and her daughters did not share any y-DNA with Nicholas. Michael's y-DNA came from his father. So what about on Michael's paternal side, then? George V and Nicholas II were first cousins, but it was their mothers that were sisters, so they both had different y-DNA from their fathers. And while Nicholas did have matrilineal DNA from his mother, Michael's matrilineal DNA came from his mother Marina, so it also would not have been a match. As far as I can remember, Philip gave a sample because he shared mDNA with Alexandra as she was his great-aunt and he had matrilineal DNA via his mother and grandmother that would have been shared with her and the children. Nicholas' great-grand niece, Xenia Sheremeteva, the great-granddaughter of his sister Grand Duchess Xenia, was able to give a matrilineal sample with Nicholas. The late Duke of Fife also gave a sample, since he also shares matrilineal DNA with Nicholas because his maternal great-grandmother was the older sister of Nicholas' mother. I believe also at some point, Nicholas' father's remains were exhumed to test as well.
The way the characters mention their forebears’ names were very formal and unrealistic. The Queen would have definitely called Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine (later Victoria Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven), who was Prince Philip’s grandmother, simply as “Aunt Victoria” or “granny”.
No doubt you’re right but then barely anyone in the audience would have caught on. Most would have probably incorrectly guessed she meant Queen Victoria.
Interesting fact, Princess Victoria of Hesse and the Queen’s grandfather, King George V, were first cousins. Victoria is depicted in photos of Prince Charles’ christening (to the left of him) along with Queen Mary, another great-grandmother of Prince Charles.
Absolutely agree with that. That was something that always annoyed me with the series. Also, her ladies in waiting were all her cousins. In the show it shows that she never even talks to them. They are treated merely as servants. They were here relatives she knew her whole life.
The writing obviously contributed, but Imelda’s version of the queen was just the worst. Imagine this conversation but with Matt and Claire aged. I think here Philip’s character was consistent but I can’t imagine the queen was such a dolt.
I once read that most continental conflicts in Europe have historically been family spats run amok. They're all intermarried. I suppose one can't choose family,..only friends.
Considering the kings of England, Germany, and Russia were literally cousins, It is one big family. (it's like one of those “degenerate” anime/ manga series where incest is the trope. Tho they, real life ones, are pretty far remove, I suppose, to avoid the issues of inbreeding)
Yes. If it wasn't so tragic it would be comical. WW I basically being like a late night drunken brawl by cousins at a wedding over who inherited more from granny...
Remember Prince Philip’s mother Princess Alice personally knew the Romanov family cause she used to baby sit Nicholas/Alix’s children in the 1900s and early 1910s Princess Alice once mentioned that she didn’t like it when GD Anastasia would put thumb tac on the chairs and that she was a big spoiled brat always playing pranks.
thumb tacks in chairs - must be where Diana & her brother Charles got the idea when they were children & wanted to get rid of maids & nannies they didn't like etc
I remember reading this story when the Romanovs were identified but I’m pretty sure it was the Duke of Kent’s DNA and not Prince Philip’s. If you compare the profiles of the late Czar and Duke of Kent they are almost doppelgängers.
Though Duke Kent is related to Romanovs from both sides of his parents but he doesn't share Mitochondrial DNA(which only female line descendant have in common) with Romanovs. Prince philip's Mitochondrial DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children. For tsar Nicolas ii they use Mitochondrial DNA of his brother, his sister's descendants and 3rd duke of fife( grand son of tsar's 1st cousin Louis, princess royal duchess of fife)
I love the misleading title description under the video, " DNA reveals his connection to the Romanovs". He already knew quite well that not only was he related to the Romanovs on his maternal side but he was also an ACTUAL Romanov on his father's side. His paternal grandmother, Queen Olga of Greece was born Grand Duchess Olga Constantinovna Romanov. She was the grand daughter of Czar Nicholas the First and was born and raised in Russia. Philip wasn't just related indirectly related through his grand aunt, the Empress of Russia Alexandra (youngest sibling of his paternal grandmother, Victoria of Hesse and the Rhine) but he was also a direct blood member of the House of Romanov. I like how Hollywood tries to change history.
You seem to be missing the point. They were trying to prove that the Russian corpses were Romanovs, using Philip ‘s DNA, not that Philip was related to them They already knew that, thus the need to use his DNA
@@kevinmorgan8534and King Christian (I forgot the number) of Denmark, the father-in-law of Europe. 😉 In modern days, we have Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden as the godmother of Europe... 😄
If I'm not mistaken, Elizabeth was 1st cousin 2 times removed from Nikolas Romanov. Likewise the children would be Philip's 1st cousins 2 times removed. Why couldn't they use her DNA?
@@baiemichelle Mitochondrial DNA has nothing to do with Xs and Ys. It's a completely different kind of DNA and is extremely easy to isolate and determine in both men and women.
Let me just warn everyone, even if determinism is absolute and everything that will be is mathematically inevitable...it is *very* unhealthy and counterproductive mentally to think this way. Regardless of the truth, at least pretend you have some agency and control over your own life.
Because she didn't share matrillineal DNA with tsar or his family. Matrillineal DNA passes from mother to her children unchanged. Had queen Elizabeth II been related to Nicholas II in purely female line she would share the same matrillineal DNA as him. Considering she got her matrillineal DNA from her mother (who was not royalty, but scottish and irish nobility) she wouldn't be able to help with it. That is why prince Philip gave his DNA. He was descended from grand duchess Alice of Hesse and by Rhine in purely female line so he still shared the same matrillineal DNA as empress Alexandra and her children.
DNA was discovered in the 1950s... not "like" 100 years ago. We knew about genes long before we knew how they were constructed because we analyzed how they functioned from the outside. The Mendelian laws got the basic details correct.
@@johngrout6039 The existence and role of DNA was discovered in 1869. The structure of DNA as we understand it today wasn't fully discovered until the 1950s, so we are both correct.
They were first cousins. Their Mothers were Sisters. Alix married the future Endward VII of Great Britain. Dagmar married Alexander of Russia who became Czar Alexander. Both their sons inherited their fathers' thrones.
@@alisonerekson3292 But Phillip and his sisters would have the same Mitochondrial DNA as his mother (and the Romanovs). And the children of his Sisters would also have the same wouldn't they? There were several surviving Nieces and Nephews of Phillip alive at the time as well. Philip was one generation closer though.
@@chadoakley8505 Yes, any of the nieces and nephews would've worked. Actually, the youngest of his four older sisters, Sophie, was still alive at the time, and they could've used her DNA too.
I really wish the Royal Family would permit DNA testing of the two small bodies found in a staircase in the Tower Of London to see if they were indeed the Princess in the Tower.
I did some research on them for a book a few years ago. It's possible that some of the bones are those of animals and one set is potentially female. What happens if they are tested and they aren't the princes? Put out for the bin man? There isn't any evidence really that the princes were murdered. The eldest was already known to be gravely ill with a jaw infection. I'd be more interested in finding out who are in the unmarked child size coffins in the Edward IV vault in St. George's Chapel.
That might be a little more difficult, but I suppose it could be done. The princes' sister was Queen Elizabeth, consort of Henry VII. Henry VIII didn't have any grandchildren, but his sisters certainly did and the current British royal family is descended from both Margaret AND Mary from Elizabeth II on.
@@gogreen7794 if they got the DNA directly from the remains of Elizabeth of York, or even Edward IV it would confirm they were his offspring. Testing against the modern royals could be risky indeed.
@pnwflipper2089 It's not impossible that some will have survived. It takes approximately 1000 years to lose 75% DNA. I read a report that based on photographic evidence from when the urn was opened, some of the bones appeared female. From my own research for a book, these aren't the only bones found in the Tower. There have been at least 4 sets. These were only assumed to be the princes. There is actually no irrefutable evidence that they were murdered. Edward V was already seriously ill with a jaw infection and was being treated by a Dr Argentine. Without antibiotics he probably died.
First comment got it right on the name, I suppose, but the actress is quite well known. Her most well known role, to me at least, is the girl that Truman falls in love with in The Truman Show, though. Seeing her in anything at all always takes me back to that role
The Tsar's mother and King George V's mother were sisters. Danish princesses. So the Tsar and King George were cousins. Queen Elizabeth, being King George's granddaughter, was therefore also a cousin of the Tsar.
This shows the difference between the two. He read. He was into science and nature. What he told the young lady is now known by most. She was just into horses and her smelly corgis (sorry they smell). He was suprised she didn't ask questions like what kind of sample they wanted. She didn't try to expand on her knowledge. An as a monarchy, she didnt change with the world. SheIt's like when someon has a 4th grade reading level. Well you have the basics you just need to get a 5th grade nook and increase your reading level.
Wait how did the Princess Royal got involved? They wanted Prince Philip's matrilineal DNA, which ended with him. Males cannot pass the Matrilineal DNA so Anne's matrilineal DNA comes from Elizabeth II.
As it's stated here that, because so much time has been passed almost 70 years that's why only Mitochondrial DNA can be use to Identify Romanovs. Mitochondrial DNA only shared by female line descendant. Philip was great nephew of last Tsarina Alexandra as Tsarina and philip's maternal grandmother princess victoria of Hesse and by Rhine were sisters therefore Philip shared Mitochondrial DNA with Tsarina Alexandra and her children. Philip's DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children. To Identify Tsar Nicolas II, they opened tomb of Tsar's brother grand Duke George, they took Mitochondrial DNA from Tsar's sisters xenia's grand daughter, and 3rd duke of fife who was grand son of tsar's maternal cousin Louise princess royal.
Couldnt they ahve just as easiky used elozabeth? She was not only philips second cousin but would nt she be related to the romanovs ?? As well?? As decendent of George?
@@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq they all came from Queen Victoria but Elizabeth II is male line descendant of Queen victoria on the other hand Philip is female line descendant of Queen victoria. Queen Elizabeth ii had Mitochondrial DNA from her mother Queen Elizabeth the Queen mother while Philip had Mitochondrial DNA from his mother princess Alice of battenberg who was niece of Tsarina Alexandra. Philip got his Mitochondrial DNA from Queen Victoria but Elizabeth II got her Mitochondrial DNA from her maternal family.
@@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq Though Tsar Nicolas II and king George V were maternal cousins and they shared Mitochondrial DNA but George V's children got their Mitochondrial DNA from Queen Mary. But George V's sister and maternal 1st cousin of Tsar Nicolas II, Louise princess royal 's grand son 3rd duke of fife's Mitochondrial DNA was used for identifying Tsar Nicolas II.
Interesting premise, but highly doubtful. Having the Czar around even as a puppet or figurehead would have meant the constant threat of counter revolution. Which is why Edward VIII was banished from the UK. Can't have split loyalties for Crown or country. -mikenotpaula.
@@michaelzmudzinski7984 well then sparing them would’ve painted the Soviets in a better light. And allowing them to leave in exile would show their word can be trusted
@@Inquisitor-Bealsbut itd also leave this hanging thread in their faces of "what if they find a way to come back?" The soviets were paranoid murderous assholes, especially in the early days. Theyd never risk it
While an interesting thought, I find it unlikely. Even in exile, a living Nicholas and/or Alexi could serve as a figurehead for counter revolution. They wouldn't have even had to consent to it, just being alive and visible would have done it. It is, possible, however, that Alexandra and her daughters could have been spared. Russian succession law meant that they had no claim on the throne, so they at least could have been exiled abroad into the care of their relatives.
My dears, I encourage you to watch Princess Diana's overwhelming popularity in Australia here: ua-cam.com/video/OCtORyAG1y4/v-deo.html
I've never been a fan. Her tantrums at polo matches, her not allowing staff to teach the boys in their charge consequences or anything of benefit and her manipulation of journalists is the true Diana....let's not forget her dating a sisters ex boyfriend and was so much Lydia in Pride and Prejudice that we could almost see her saying to her sisters "I come before you now" we all knew she loved the Crown not Charles just to be superior to her sisters. Actions speak louder than words.
@@highcountrydelatiteA lot of people think about her, that is whyCharles or Camilla are unpopular, and as a result the Crown is very unpopular, especially amongst people between 18-50 years. The popularity of the Monarchy between 18-50 year olds on average is less than 50% across the various age groups. I am 49 years, I remember Diana and I salute her for withstanding the bullshyt thrown her way, ND for fighting back.
@@sevenwatson5854 Diana's choices weren't made in a vacuum, she was reacting to the abuse from Charles and the royal family. Charles felt insecure and hated her because she easily eclipsed him in popularity, yet it wasn't her fault she was more popular. Instead of working with her he began to abuse her and belittle her. He was carrying on with Camilla, ND when she objected he used his media cronies and aristocratic friends to belittle her in the press. Ross Benson, Ingrid Seward's late husband, Daily Mail columnist, former Gordosntoun alumni, philanderer in chief, accused Diana of deliberately trying to outshine Charles on the 1984 tour of Australia, whilst at a visit to a music conservatoire. In his book, he claims, Diana rose unbidden to show off her piano skills, when in reality, it was the Principal of the Conservatoire who asked Diana to play something on the piano, he had to cajole a reluctant Diana into playing, but you let Ross Benson.
Lord Nicholas Soames is another one who went on national TV to besmirch Diana's name; he called her mad.
Diana had no choice but to write a book and speak to journalists in order to get her side of the story out there. Even her brother, the Earl, has said, he doesn't object to the fact that she told her story, he objected to how she was coerced to give permission for the Panorama story.
It's off putting how you minimize the abuse she was subjected to, and prop up her cheating husband who is arrogant and entitled.
Moreover, Diana did a better job of teaching the boys about their role and heritage. Harry who is like her in spirit continues to serve and build rapport with all manner of communities, whilst William who was taken under the wings of the queen is clearly imploding.
@@sevenwatson5854 Also, Diana didn't force herself on Charles, he's the one who deliberately pursued her for his own selfish reasons; him and Camilla figured she was young and timid enough not to interfere in their relationship.
Diana, unlike her sister Sarah, was besotted with him and failed to understand the depth of his unhealthy attachment to Camilla. Hiscattemots to ensnare her sister Sarah failed, because she was savvy enough to extract herself from his clutches; she deliberately gave a revealing interview to a journalist, forcing Charles to dump her, leaving her free to marry her real love; Neil MaCocordale.
Fact is, the royals were complicit in luring Diana into that sham marriage. They deliberately targeted her, because they were looking to anchor themselves on these shores- through her lineage,, William will be the 1st King in 400 years related to the Stuart kings, the last English and Scottish kings to rule England, Scotland and N. Ireland. Camilla was most unsuitable because, although related to Charles I, and his sons, she was also rumoured to be a descendant of Edward VIII.
A marriage between Charles and Camilla wouldn't have been suitable, more so considering they were potentially related. At the time royal family was actively looking to expand their gene pool/stop inbreeding in order to avoid perpetuating certain diseases and conditions eg Downs Syndrome (Queen Mother's family); Haemophilia (Victoria) and Porphyria (George III and Prince William.of Gloucester). Camilla was written out because she had Hanoverian blood, and not because of her wayward ways. They besmirched her reputation to justify their decision. Then again, she never loved Charles, APB was her 1st love. Sadly, APB didn't love her, he stayed cheating on her, when they were dating and throughout the marriage. He never loved her, that's why he was in bothered about her affair with HRH.
Diana was the victim of great manipulation involving the Queen Mother, Camilla, Charles and even Andrew Parker Bowles (he never loved Camilla, he married as a favour to the royal family- to get her away from Charles so he could move on with his life. It helped that she had some money inherited down her maternal line, thanks to her great grandmother's liaison with Edward VIII.
They're welcome to her. Ignorant, self centered professional victim.
"You can be incredibly useful." - "That's a first" Somehow this gem slipped me when I watched the series...
Phillip was blunt. I would guess he was the sort to acknowledge and bring up uncomfortable and awkward truth's
"I would very much like to go to Russia -- although the bastards murdered half my family." HRH The late Duke of Edinburgh, 1967.
Yep. And when “half of his family” begged for help, for entire year while it was still possible - they refused to help them.
@@milanamughal
It was Parliament that refused to help, really.
@@carlbirtles4518Based solidarity between Public Classes against the Noble Caste
@@carlbirtles4518 It wasn't just Parliament. George V ordered them to rescind the offer of safe passage due to fears of an uprising in Britain for harboring the Romanovs.
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Someone answered below, the king got cold feet, and dumped the cousin and his family.
Honestly, I am not surprised. But for them making such statements is simply ridiculous.
2:35 Philip is actually right on another level. DNA was also submitted by James Carnegie, 3rd Duke of Fife, the great-grandnephew of Nicholas II’s mother, Empress Maria Feodorovna and Countess Xenia Nikolaevna Sheremeteva, the maternal granddaughter of Nicholas II’s only niece Princess Irina Alexandrovna of Russia.
all the name that you have mentioned they only shared Mitochondrial DNA with Tsar Nicolas II but to Identify Tsarina Alexandra and her children they used prince philip's Mitochondrial DNA.
also, his relationship was much more direct, so the level of confidence must be higher.
The actor who plays this version of Prince Philip in this series gave me the creeps.
I honestly think that Philip and Penny were simply friends. They just connected with each other so well.
It’s the age old saying that is often very wrong “men and women cannot be just friends”
If she spoke like this all the time, she would have bored him.
I'm thrilled that the writers of The Crown decided to feature this vignette of the Royal Family's life in their fictionalized docu-drama. Though the dialogue is pure conjecture, this episode really did happen -- demonstrating the power of contemporary Science and affecting Russian history. Bravo!
The dialogue is awful. Trying to condense such a complex chemical and historic situation into two exposition dumps just doesn't work.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 The dialogue is indeed awful, so I suggest that people read about the finding of the Romanov remains and the DNA testing to which Prince Philip contributed in Robert K. Massie's book, "The Romanovs: The Final Chapter". Massie was the author of "Nicholas and Alexandra".
The history of Russia is one of continued gross incompetence at the highest levels of government. That’s why they’re always behind the west and seen as backwards. Always poorer, always less developed.
Even though Russia experienced the industrial revolution before China, Mexico, Japan, S Korea etc. These countries have all surpassed Russia in both GDP Per Capita and in the size of their overall economies. You know your country is badly run when Mexico is richer than you per Capita 😂
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Why it is awful?
@@Крэйден_х I'll try to keep it brief. This is purely from the point of view of the drama and the story telling.
One of the principles of good scriptwriting is "Show, don't tell". There is _a lot_ of telling in this. We've also got the Queen stating the blatently obvious to the Duke. He knows who his grandmother was, and at the moment, we don't care, we can google her in the ad break.
The writers are also trying to make a comment about the difference in the Duke's relationships with the Queen and with Penny. Cramming that into two scenes already bulging with exposition is too much. At best, it looks like they can't think of a less clumsy way to make their point, at worst, it looks like they can't trust the viewers to pick up on more subtle clues laid down over a longer period. Apart from anything else, it refuces the Queen to a cipher for an information dump.
From a purely personal preference, I would say that a better approach would have been to have the furst conversation be between The Duke and one of the researchers. This would avoid the very clunky way in which the Queen told the Duke who his maternal grandmother was. We might be safe in assuming he didn't need to be told.
Avoiding lines like "Your Grandmother, Princess Victoria of Hesse", in an exchange of dialogue the Duke and the researcher _briefly_ fill us in on the details of how mitichondrial DNA links the Duke to the Tsarina.
When the Duke asks what they need, segue into the researcher in voiceover explaining "We take a sample of your blood..."
As he explains the process we see the Duke giving the blood sample, see the laboratory, the centrifuge, etc. We see the printout being produced and as the researcher holds it, we cross fade to the Duke holding it and showing it to Penny.
This would give a tighter, more visually interesting scene, rather than the really dated style of very old Sunday night serials. This reminds me very much of how historical dramas were done before "I, Claudius" blew the cobwebs out of the genre.
Phillip's maternal grandmother WAS the Tsarina's eldest sister, after all!
Also, his maternal aunt, Louise, was the Queen of Sweden. Fascinating woman.
His grandmother you mentioned was equally fascinating.
@@errolpletcher9186 and Prince Phillip's mother is another fascinating woman! her life story is very interesting
She was also sister to the Princess Elizabeth who married the uncle - grand Duke Sergei of the murdered Tsar. Two of his great aunts married into the Romanovs.
@@ArzooSyeddah Sergei was also assassinated!
I believe Philip had a Russian grandmother, but I don't know how she may have been related to Nicholas or any other Romanov.
I guess I can go look it up....
the high sparrow has moved high in life
Oh, for goodness sakes, I forgot he was the high sparrow🙄
Making Boris do the walk of atonement naked through Wood Green was a bit much
Charting his career progression as if it was all one character would be pretty funny. Did Royal Governor of a Caribbean island come before or after High Sparrow? Where does being an Argentine dictator slot in, was that after his term as Pope?
That is Governor Swan you are speaking of!
Prince Philip was his mothers child, he found enjoyment in the future generations, loved the thought of some council kid could contribute to something seemingly magical to previous generations that could better the future and why he was passionate about The Princes Trust.
Others in the nobility at whole mostly found wonder about their own blood lines and how them doing the littlest of effort to them should result in them getting all the praise of everything.
The Prince's Trust was set up by Charles, the Prince of Wales, in the mid 1970s - nothing to do with the then Duke of Edinburgh, although the Duke was involved in setting up of the Word Wildlife Fund along with many other notable organisations
This is one the reasons the Queen & Prince Phillip was so distant intellectually. He couldn't engage a conversation with her because of her limited education. However Prince Philip read a lot, had some freedom to have different friends & was more emotional than her. She was a leader, a symbol of strength & had power to influence the government. Perhaps that's why they needed each other, to do what the other couldn't.
you're basing this on a show thats has inaccuracies all over the place? lol. imagine taking a show as fact
@@MrSandman96 No I'm not basting it on anything. Chill!😔
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that they were able to have lots of conversations, considering how long they were married. Her book education may have been limited in some areas, but her world view education was on a level that would outclass most of us.
And he always maintained his youthful enthusiasm for anything new.
I see your point, though I disagree on the matter that it was "intellectually". I think that's all their discussion was, intellectual. And I think Phillip wanted more excitement in his life and we know with Elizabeth ,it was all about HER, even when she tried to make it about him. Penny sort of gave him his masculinity back by making it about him and sharing his interest and Elizabeth knew that she was not in the position to give him that.
The scene shows very well the two types of relations he had with these two so different women.
Only according to the script - not in real life
My dad spoke about how clever and witty Prince Phillip was when my sister got her duke of Edinburgh award.
A remarkably intelligant man often mistook for a buffoon
He didn’t help himself though by saying such stupid and ignorant things in public sometimes.
@@startracker5895 he was usually joking and for those, whose feelings can't take it it might look "stupid and ignorant"
@@patrikmokos9864 the ‘jokes’ weren’t funny though. Well maybe to stupid ignorants perhaps!
CONGRATS ON YOUR SISTER'S SUCCESS ❤
Shame he never understood what a joke actually is. @patrikmokos9864
A shame what happened to the Romanov's. Tsar Nicholas II wasn't the smartest, but getting shot up with his family in a basement by his own people... tragic.
That's a myth that's been promoted by communists for over one hundred years. He spoke 5 languages fluently, it was said his Russian has a slight foreign accent. He started 50,000 new churches and 1500 new schools he started the process for land ownership.
He wasn't ready to become the Czar when is Father died much earlier than expected. I think given more time in the proverbial passenger seat would have added him in being a better leader.
The relationship between Philip and Penny was no different from Elizabeth’s relationship with Porchey, and I personally found the latter more unfair because Elizabeth knew Porchey carried a torch for her and that the family preferred him over Philip but she kept him around anyway. The only objectively odd thing about Penny and Philip is their age difference but it was a friendship built on trauma over their loss and renewed sense of life through carriage driving.
I sort of found it satisfying when Elizabeth tries to mention Porchey to Philip during “The Ritz” episode and he’s unfazed now that he had Penny to talk to. We need to remember that this man was denied so much and all he asked was approval for the platonic friendship.
Penny was his Mike Parker.
100% agree with you!
Elizabeth had no right to feel jealous or insecure about Penny’s friendship with Philip when she kept Porchey around knowing that he was in love with her. One could argue that the age difference between Penny and Philip was inappropriate, but they were two people who bonded over their mutual grief in familial losses and their love of carriage driving.
@@ShiningFriendship87 I think Penny had the misfortune of being an attractive young woman who presented an intellectual profile more in line with Philip and that unleashed the old insecurities that Elizabeth had in the past when Philp had those mysterious parties with company like beautiful and talented women who almost put on the edge of a very thin line their marriage. Elizabeth didn't care if Penny was helpless or if Philip was not sexually interested in his godson's wife, her physicality and intellect were potential threats especially when she was no longer a young woman anymore.
@@ShiningFriendship87 Another argument is that Philip constantly cheated on Elizabeth. I'm not condoning that, but he had to give up more than he hoped for and that can lead to restless behavior. Also, did Elizabeth ever consider how Porchey's wife must've felt with their intimate friendship?
@@lordalessan cheated? what nonsense
@@perperson199 I agree. All rubbish. However, some believe it and it is an embedded rumor in real life.
It is true they used his DNA as he was related to them through both the Czar and Czarina. Their children were 2n cousins to him through one line and 3rd cousins through another line. They also proved Anna Anderson was not Anatasia through his DNA. She was already dead, but they had a specimen of her from a surgery she had that had been saved.
I’ve never seen this show but this was a really interesting scene. It’s so tragic what happened to the Romanovs. Czar Nicholas II was a very optimistic man. So he advocated his throne and believed that would have been enough. Instead they were pulled from their beds one night and sentenced to death up against a wall in the basement. Absolutely tragic. I pray that the Lord was with them in their final moments.
Prince Philip was related through all four of his grandparents to the Romanovs. His paternal grandmother Olga Konstantinova was a Romanov ....
I really like this scene but it may not have occurred to the writers that Penny's mother-in-law was a great-niece of Empress Alexandra and so her children would have this connection known to them as well.
yes but as already been explained is that Hollywood likes to reinvent history. Also, it was determined that Philip was the best possible candidate because he was a much closer relation as I explained above.
@@HarryPost-o9c Sorry to be obtuse, but my point wasn't about the efficacy of the test results. This scene made it appear as if the close relation to Alexandra came as a surprise or was somehow linked to a distant past (to me at least, but recollections may differ).
@@GeorgeKenmore Oh, I completely agree with you.
@@GeorgeKenmore It would depend on if her mother is the niece or father the nephew of Empress Alexandra, if it's the mother then your correct but if it's via her father his mitochondrial DNA does not get passed on.
@@HarryPost-o9cNot… really. The 3rd Duke of Fife and the Tsar’s great-grandniece Countess Xenia Sheremeteva were all also good candidates, and they submitted their DNA for testing. They also cracked open the marble tomb of the Tsar’s brother, Grand Duke George Alexandrovich, to test against the found bones.
She is a delightful conversationalist. Such people are 💎 gems
i loved this episode, to see phillip light up on the Prospect of helping to find his family and he lights up when he can be useful. the part i giggle at is the "I read" and her "hmmm" it's such a cute moment. touché!
His DNA helps a lot
I love how they're actually eating and not just pushing around their food. That's realism!
Isn't prince Michael of Kent basically a Romanov? When he goes to visit Russia people kinda freaked out over the resemblance.
I like how Prince Philip has other interests like this.
I didn't see the last series with Imelda Staunton but now that I have seen some clips I can see she did an extraordinary job, worthy of Clare Foy's performance.
Remember 'The Crown' producers had to put a disclaimer in the credits of the last 2 series such was the level of concern over the fabrication & lies featured in the scripts. Previously, one of the producers publicly stated - "the viewing public are not stupid, they will know they are watching an adaption of how things could have happened, not how they actually did happen" - yeah right!!!
Sadly viewers are often stupid. You only have to look at the reaction to a character in Coronation Street being jailed. It led to complaining to members of Parliament and campaigns in tabloids to have her freed.
@@michaelmontagu3979 or people think brigition is real history and not lefty soap opera
It's tellingly ironic that the writer's of a fictionalized drama about the British royals took the same position that The Firm is often seen doing and misjudging how the general public will interpret their intentions.
The way he talks is brilliant I could listen to him all day
such a great detail that they actually pronounce Romanov with the stress on the second syllable, not the first like most English speakers
Good call; I have been doing it wrong.
@@Buckboy2024A while back, I was speaking to a Russian waiter at a local restaurant. He actually pronounced Romanov with the stress on the second syllable. I assume this is the correct pronunciation of the name even in Russian.
For those who dont know, Princess Victoria of Hesse was the mother of Princess Alice of Greece and Denmark, Prince Philip's mother. Basically a direct link to Tsarina Alexandra of Russia (formerly Princess Alix of Hesse and By Rhine). Both Alix and Victoria were grand children of Queen Victoria of the UK through her daughter Princess Alice who became Grand Duchess of Hesse and By Rhine when she married the Grand Duke of Hesse and By Rhine.
Prince Phillip is also a Romanov via his father - Prince Andrew was the son of Queen Olga of the Hellenes, nee a Grand Duchess of Russia, and the granddaughter of a Tsar (aunt of the last Tsar). It baffles me how the authors skipped that bit when it shows an even more direct association with the Romanovs.
@@ΔάφνηΣτυλιανίδουbecause the dna used was only possible through a maternal line. That way even queen Elizabeth was more closely related to the Emperor and his family through her great grandmother by her father’s line as she was Princess Alexandra of Denmark queen of UK, her sister was princess dagmar of Denmark aka empress Maria feodrovna of Russia, so the queen had a more direct link to the imperial Russian family but through a paternal line not a maternal one hence Philips connection to the Romanov’s through his mother was better then through his father also his maternal line consisted of only females being his mother, grand mother and her sister Princess alix
Elizabeth II herself was also related to the Romanovs. The Tsarina Alexandra was the daughter of Princess Alice, daughter of Queen Victoria. That is the reason why Nicholas and Alexandra's son, the Tsarevich Alexei had haemophilia because Victoria was a carrier.
I quite sympathize with Philip at 1:27, but on another level he's a little unfair. The Queen had assimilated plenty of information and presented it to him coherently. What more does he want? If he's willing he can get in touch with the doctors and then they'll tell him what they want. At this stage of the conversation, the fact of a DNA sample is what's relevant, more than the means.
She's also too much of a lady to discuss which of her husband's body parts would be necessary for the testing.
And besides, it's all fictional anyway. To my best knowledge (from biographies and interviews), while the Queen did not have much in the line of formal education (what were her parents thinking?!), she was well-informed and up-to-date in many subjects, and kept on learning. 🤷
Oh I have a feeling I would have loved spending time with his late highness Philip. He sounds like a lovely, quick witted man!
I still feel bad the Romanovs. Poor leaders or not, heroes don’t drunkenly bayonet children in a basement.
Were the soldiers who killed the Romanovs ever referred to as heroes?
@@krashd To the socialists, they were. The Romanovs were deeply hated by then.
@@cainyourkids Which means basically everyone :^)
@cainyourkids No. One of the things most Socialist hated that the USSR did was the murder of the Romanov Children. Even Mao pardoned the emperor of China that directly collaborated with Japan during WW2 because of how bad the fallout of the Romanovs were.
@@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606 Yes, and the murder was a spontaneous thing by the local leadership in part due to the Czechoslovak Legion closing in on the city, but my point was that the Romanovs weren't liked.
They'll use that but not Anee's kidnapping attempt! Go figure.
it would be too soon
Oh really? I kind of fell off this show but I thought for sure they were going to show that.
I’m not even British and I know Anne is a bad bish.
Determined does not necessarily mean preordained.
All the prince Philip actors are the stand out actor in all the series of the show....Claire Foy and Emma Corrin.
Prince Philip holding his knife as if it were a pen? Doubtful.
Now we judt need to onow what happened to the Princes in the tower
Good thing they already found Richard III's most recent descendants; they just need to haul them back in.
There were small boy size bones found in the tower during some renovations. But EII wouldn’t allow them to be DNA tested.
I think she had them cremated & the urn is in Westminster Cathedral.
I wish she had been more open to having their DNA examined.
@@bonnieabrs1003 You might get your DNA wish, since there's a good chance they may be tested. I' hope they test them too. The bones were discovered in 1674, and Charles II had them placed in the urn in Westminster Abbey. They were examined again in 1933, but not cremated. Yes, during Elizabeth II's reign it was decided not to disturb them, but here's also the two mysterious coffins in Edward IV's vault at Windsor, and apparently Charles III is more open to solving the mystery.
Camilla had nothing to do with the 'Princes in the Tower' !!!
@@susanlockyer1192 please reread my comment. I said EII not QC!
Didn't Prince Michael of Kent also give a DNA sample?
I believe so. I think he went to a service to bury the remains.
@@emmaconway4274he did. He was the queens representative
Not all of the remains have been buried as of 2024. The ones from Alexei the Tzarevich and most likely Maria are still being held by the Russian government in state archives.
I don't believe he would have been able to--he WAS related to Nicholas on both his paternal and maternal side, but he would not have shared mitochondrial DNA with Nicholas nor y-DNA.
Michael's grandmother Grand Duchess Elena, was a Russian grand duchess, whose father, Grand Duke Vladimir, was the younger brother of Nicholas' father. But women don't inherit y-DNA, so Elena would not have had the DNA. Her brothers Kirill, Boris and Andrei would have, as would Kirill's son Vladimir and Andrei's (probable) son Vladimir, but all five died before the Romanov remains were found--Vladimir was alive in 1991 when the bones were discoverd, but died in 1992 before he could offer a sample. So because Elena was female, and because she only had daughters, she and her daughters did not share any y-DNA with Nicholas. Michael's y-DNA came from his father.
So what about on Michael's paternal side, then? George V and Nicholas II were first cousins, but it was their mothers that were sisters, so they both had different y-DNA from their fathers. And while Nicholas did have matrilineal DNA from his mother, Michael's matrilineal DNA came from his mother Marina, so it also would not have been a match.
As far as I can remember, Philip gave a sample because he shared mDNA with Alexandra as she was his great-aunt and he had matrilineal DNA via his mother and grandmother that would have been shared with her and the children. Nicholas' great-grand niece, Xenia Sheremeteva, the great-granddaughter of his sister Grand Duchess Xenia, was able to give a matrilineal sample with Nicholas. The late Duke of Fife also gave a sample, since he also shares matrilineal DNA with Nicholas because his maternal great-grandmother was the older sister of Nicholas' mother.
I believe also at some point, Nicholas' father's remains were exhumed to test as well.
I thought it was Prince Andrew.
It helped solved the Romanov Mystery and let them rest in peace.
The way the characters mention their forebears’ names were very formal and unrealistic. The Queen would have definitely called Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine (later Victoria Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven), who was Prince Philip’s grandmother, simply as “Aunt Victoria” or “granny”.
No doubt you’re right but then barely anyone in the audience would have caught on. Most would have probably incorrectly guessed she meant Queen Victoria.
It's for audience's sake. After all, this is fiction.
Interesting fact, Princess Victoria of Hesse and the Queen’s grandfather, King George V, were first cousins. Victoria is depicted in photos of Prince Charles’ christening (to the left of him) along with Queen Mary, another great-grandmother of Prince Charles.
They were explaining the family tree to the audience.
Absolutely agree with that. That was something that always annoyed me with the series. Also, her ladies in waiting were all her cousins. In the show it shows that she never even talks to them. They are treated merely as servants. They were here relatives she knew her whole life.
Who we are is a complex mix of nature vs nurture vs freedom of choice.
The writing obviously contributed, but Imelda’s version of the queen was just the worst. Imagine this conversation but with Matt and Claire aged. I think here Philip’s character was consistent but I can’t imagine the queen was such a dolt.
I once read that most continental conflicts in Europe have historically been family spats run amok. They're all intermarried. I suppose one can't choose family,..only friends.
Considering the kings of England, Germany, and Russia were literally cousins, It is one big family. (it's like one of those “degenerate” anime/ manga series where incest is the trope. Tho they, real life ones, are pretty far remove, I suppose, to avoid the issues of inbreeding)
WW I 3 countries run by 1st cousins on opposite sides.
Yes. If it wasn't so tragic it would be comical. WW I basically being like a late night drunken brawl by cousins at a wedding over who inherited more from granny...
@@annamo9354 its been alleged that if Queen Victoria was still alive by the years of ww1 it would not happen at all
@@creauspssrb627 HA! She would've boxed their ears for sure!!!
never see the day to see the high sparrow and dolorus umbrige siting in the same table 😅
This is a very interesting clip from the series I had not come across before
None of us! It was uplaoded nine hours ago. Completely agree with you tho
Seems like entire GoT got casted in The Crown
Remember Prince Philip’s mother Princess Alice personally knew the Romanov family cause she used to baby sit Nicholas/Alix’s children in the 1900s and early 1910s Princess Alice once mentioned that she didn’t like it when GD Anastasia would put thumb tac on the chairs and that she was a big spoiled brat always playing pranks.
thumb tacks in chairs - must be where Diana & her brother Charles got the idea when they were children & wanted to get rid of maids & nannies they didn't like etc
I remember reading this story when the Romanovs were identified but I’m pretty sure it was the Duke of Kent’s DNA and not Prince Philip’s. If you compare the profiles of the late Czar and Duke of Kent they are almost doppelgängers.
Though Duke Kent is related to Romanovs from both sides of his parents but he doesn't share Mitochondrial DNA(which only female line descendant have in common) with Romanovs.
Prince philip's Mitochondrial DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
For tsar Nicolas ii they use Mitochondrial DNA of his brother, his sister's descendants and 3rd duke of fife( grand son of tsar's 1st cousin Louis, princess royal duchess of fife)
For the Tsar but not fir the Tsarina or the children. For that they needed mitochondrial DNA which Philip had.
I love the misleading title description under the video, " DNA reveals his connection to the Romanovs". He already knew quite well that not only was he related to the Romanovs on his maternal side but he was also an ACTUAL Romanov on his father's side. His paternal grandmother, Queen Olga of Greece was born Grand Duchess Olga Constantinovna Romanov. She was the grand daughter of Czar Nicholas the First and was born and raised in Russia. Philip wasn't just related indirectly related through his grand aunt, the Empress of Russia Alexandra (youngest sibling of his paternal grandmother, Victoria of Hesse and the Rhine) but he was also a direct blood member of the House of Romanov. I like how Hollywood tries to change history.
You seem to be missing the point.
They were trying to prove that the Russian corpses were Romanovs, using Philip ‘s DNA, not that Philip was related to them They already knew that, thus the need to use his DNA
@@billkeil716Agreed! the caption implies that it helps identify the remains
I think DNA passed on from the female line was needed, not the male line.
@@gogreen7794 One's mother gives mitochondrial DNA. If Prince Philip's mother had what they were looking for, it would be in him as well.
His knowledge that he was Romanov wasn't in question. That the corpses could be proven to be, only using the line of his mother, was.
Feels like I’m listening to life in cold blood the way he speaks like a narrator brilliant actor
The Crown has very little basis in fact. Should have never been shown. Too many bobbleheads that watched it quote it as fact when it is not.
This case it was
Don't forget the european monarchies are all related.. genetically and in name
Queen Victoria was called the "grandmother of Europe."
@@kevinmorgan8534and King Christian (I forgot the number) of Denmark, the father-in-law of Europe. 😉
In modern days, we have Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden as the godmother of Europe... 😄
If I'm not mistaken, Elizabeth was 1st cousin 2 times removed from Nikolas Romanov. Likewise the children would be Philip's 1st cousins 2 times removed. Why couldn't they use her DNA?
They needed mitochondrial DNA. Hers would have come from her mother. Mitochondrial DNA only comes from the mother.
@@baiemichelle Mitochondrial DNA has nothing to do with Xs and Ys. It's a completely different kind of DNA and is extremely easy to isolate and determine in both men and women.
Because mithocondrial DNA is matrilinear, the Queen's mithocondrial DNA was thus much more distant to that of the Romanov children than the Prince's.
Phlips mother was a closer relative.
"Alchemy" formally announced and accepted was just A prerequisite. The power of the mind is key and you don't need no DNA to prove that
Okay pal
"I read!" 😂
Cardinal Wolsey.
Prince Philip would not have held his dinner knife like a fountain pen. Very lower middle class!
Let me just warn everyone, even if determinism is absolute and everything that will be is mathematically inevitable...it is *very* unhealthy and counterproductive mentally to think this way. Regardless of the truth, at least pretend you have some agency and control over your own life.
You know that? How?
I read!
Hm 😂😂 this was a clapback and a half in the subtlest of ways
Wasn't Queen Elizabeth also directly related to the last Tsar? Why not use her DNA?
Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother only.
Because she didn't share matrillineal DNA with tsar or his family. Matrillineal DNA passes from mother to her children unchanged.
Had queen Elizabeth II been related to Nicholas II in purely female line she would share the same matrillineal DNA as him. Considering she got her matrillineal DNA from her mother (who was not royalty, but scottish and irish nobility) she wouldn't be able to help with it.
That is why prince Philip gave his DNA. He was descended from grand duchess Alice of Hesse and by Rhine in purely female line so he still shared the same matrillineal DNA as empress Alexandra and her children.
She was his cousin. Through her grandfather George V who was also the Tsar's cousin.
Stupid question. Isn't that what conversation involves, cluing in someone on what the listener didn't know.
turns out everyone is related!!
"Didn't you ask?"
"... No."
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I love the way she says DNA like it's the new iphone and hadn't already been discovered like 100 years ago
DNA was discovered in the 1950s... not "like" 100 years ago. We knew about genes long before we knew how they were constructed because we analyzed how they functioned from the outside. The Mendelian laws got the basic details correct.
@@johngrout6039 The existence and role of DNA was discovered in 1869. The structure of DNA as we understand it today wasn't fully discovered until the 1950s, so we are both correct.
Good god. It’s like me having a conversation with my husband. Incredible.
He was just as Royal as Elizabeth, but the RF and politicians were very much snobs and looked down on him because of his upbringing,
They used Prince Philip and Duke of Kent blood line due to Russian family connection
I thought it had been Prince Michael if Kent who helped.
They both did.
his open disdain for the ball and chain, and his excitement when chatting up a young woman
Every husband ever.
Czar Nicholas ii looks exactly like George V
They were first cousins. Their Mothers were Sisters. Alix married the future Endward VII of Great Britain. Dagmar married Alexander of Russia who became Czar Alexander. Both their sons inherited their fathers' thrones.
Imelda Staunton always plays a great villain
The hypocricy of the british cousins who robbed the Romanovs is tasteless and despicable.
You have to be in the GOT franchise to play Prince Philip
Or the Doctor Who franchise.
He was rude to that lizard.
Queen also related through Queen Alexandra and Queen Victoria
It’s crazy that they could do this but refuse to test the bones found in The Tower that may or may not be the Lost Princes
They know already
I would one day love to go back to Moscow Russia i was born their my middle name is Anastasia. I have greek blood Im still shocked about that!
Couldn't they have also used the DNA of any of the sons or daughters of his sisters?
yes
It's better if it came from Phillip or his brother if he had any.
@@alisonerekson3292his sister’s sons or daughters would have been fine.
@@alisonerekson3292 But Phillip and his sisters would have the same Mitochondrial DNA as his mother (and the Romanovs). And the children of his Sisters would also have the same wouldn't they? There were several surviving Nieces and Nephews of Phillip alive at the time as well. Philip was one generation closer though.
@@chadoakley8505 Yes, any of the nieces and nephews would've worked. Actually, the youngest of his four older sisters, Sophie, was still alive at the time, and they could've used her DNA too.
I really wish the Royal Family would permit DNA testing of the two small bodies found in a staircase in the Tower Of London to see if they were indeed the Princess in the Tower.
I did some research on them for a book a few years ago. It's possible that some of the bones are those of animals and one set is potentially female. What happens if they are tested and they aren't the princes? Put out for the bin man? There isn't any evidence really that the princes were murdered. The eldest was already known to be gravely ill with a jaw infection. I'd be more interested in finding out who are in the unmarked child size coffins in the Edward IV vault in St. George's Chapel.
That might be a little more difficult, but I suppose it could be done. The princes' sister was Queen Elizabeth, consort of Henry VII. Henry VIII didn't have any grandchildren, but his sisters certainly did and the current British royal family is descended from both Margaret AND Mary from Elizabeth II on.
@@gogreen7794 if they got the DNA directly from the remains of Elizabeth of York, or even Edward IV it would confirm they were his offspring. Testing against the modern royals could be risky indeed.
Likely No DNA would have survived that long.
@pnwflipper2089 It's not impossible that some will have survived. It takes approximately 1000 years to lose 75% DNA.
I read a report that based on photographic evidence from when the urn was opened, some of the bones appeared female. From my own research for a book, these aren't the only bones found in the Tower. There have been at least 4 sets. These were only assumed to be the princes. There is actually no irrefutable evidence that they were murdered. Edward V was already seriously ill with a jaw infection and was being treated by a Dr Argentine. Without antibiotics he probably died.
Who is the blond female that is so enthralled with the results
Penny Knatchbull, I assume
It's Dr. Halsey from the Halo TV show
First comment got it right on the name, I suppose, but the actress is quite well known. Her most well known role, to me at least, is the girl that Truman falls in love with in The Truman Show, though. Seeing her in anything at all always takes me back to that role
@@SR-iy4gg How did she get to meet Prince Philip please? Was it just some kind of interview or was she a friend of him?
@@ulefab7503 She was the daughter in law of his cousin Patricia Mountbatten.
The Tsar's mother and King George V's mother were sisters. Danish princesses. So the Tsar and King George were cousins. Queen Elizabeth, being King George's granddaughter, was therefore also a cousin of the Tsar.
Well yes, but they needed the unbroken maternal blood relation. Elizabeth II didn't have that.
This shows the difference between the two. He read. He was into science and nature. What he told the young lady is now known by most. She was just into horses and her smelly corgis (sorry they smell). He was suprised she didn't ask questions like what kind of sample they wanted. She didn't try to expand on her knowledge. An as a monarchy, she didnt change with the world. SheIt's like when someon has a 4th grade reading level. Well you have the basics you just need to get a 5th grade nook and increase your reading level.
The former Duke of Edinburgh & the Princess Royal both donated DNA to help identify the remains - in real life
Wait how did the Princess Royal got involved? They wanted Prince Philip's matrilineal DNA, which ended with him. Males cannot pass the Matrilineal DNA so Anne's matrilineal DNA comes from Elizabeth II.
Because of epigenetics (rather than genetics), it's not all preordinated.
1:40 is that david bowie ?
They also use dna from Prince Michael of Kent
There were many Romanovs living at this point why didn't they use their blood ?
NONE. The soviets killed them all so only foreign connection remained.
As it's stated here that, because so much time has been passed almost 70 years that's why only Mitochondrial DNA can be use to Identify Romanovs.
Mitochondrial DNA only shared by female line descendant.
Philip was great nephew of last Tsarina Alexandra as Tsarina and philip's maternal grandmother princess victoria of Hesse and by Rhine were sisters therefore Philip shared Mitochondrial DNA with Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
Philip's DNA was used for Identifying Tsarina Alexandra and her children.
To Identify Tsar Nicolas II, they opened tomb of Tsar's brother grand Duke George, they took Mitochondrial DNA from Tsar's sisters xenia's grand daughter, and 3rd duke of fife who was grand son of tsar's maternal cousin Louise princess royal.
Needed the family line of the Tsarina not the Tsar.
Russia? How about Fiji?
Would Prince Phillip have held his knife and fork that way... It seems odd.
Why were they trying to betray the queen as being an idiot. She was a smart lady
E se non avesse avuto ,INASPETTATAMENTE, nessun legame?😳😳😳
IMBARAZZANTE
Who the blond woman he is talking to?
Penny, his best friend and niece through marriage.
Couldnt they ahve just as easiky used elozabeth? She was not only philips second cousin but would nt she be related to the romanovs ?? As well?? As decendent of George?
Mitochondrial DNA could only come from Phillip's side.
@@krashd they all come form Victoria unless I am mistaken ?? I m sure I missed something here thats just what I saw...
@@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq they all came from Queen Victoria but Elizabeth II is male line descendant of Queen victoria on the other hand Philip is female line descendant of Queen victoria.
Queen Elizabeth ii had Mitochondrial DNA from her mother Queen Elizabeth the Queen mother while Philip had Mitochondrial DNA from his mother princess Alice of battenberg who was niece of Tsarina Alexandra.
Philip got his Mitochondrial DNA from Queen Victoria but Elizabeth II got her Mitochondrial DNA from her maternal family.
@@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq Though Tsar Nicolas II and king George V were maternal cousins and they shared Mitochondrial DNA but George V's children got their Mitochondrial DNA from Queen Mary.
But George V's sister and maternal 1st cousin of Tsar Nicolas II, Louise princess royal 's grand son 3rd duke of fife's Mitochondrial DNA was used for identifying Tsar Nicolas II.
Honestly, I think the Soviets would’ve been more liked if they had kept the Romanovs as figureheads or spared them to live in exile
Interesting premise, but highly doubtful. Having the Czar around even as a puppet or figurehead would have meant the constant threat of counter revolution. Which is why Edward VIII was banished from the UK. Can't have split loyalties for Crown or country. -mikenotpaula.
@@michaelzmudzinski7984 well then sparing them would’ve painted the Soviets in a better light. And allowing them to leave in exile would show their word can be trusted
@@Inquisitor-Bealsbut itd also leave this hanging thread in their faces of "what if they find a way to come back?"
The soviets were paranoid murderous assholes, especially in the early days.
Theyd never risk it
While an interesting thought, I find it unlikely. Even in exile, a living Nicholas and/or Alexi could serve as a figurehead for counter revolution. They wouldn't have even had to consent to it, just being alive and visible would have done it.
It is, possible, however, that Alexandra and her daughters could have been spared. Russian succession law meant that they had no claim on the throne, so they at least could have been exiled abroad into the care of their relatives.
@@Chandra614 The Bolsheviks didn't care. They murdered the entire family. Because the Bolsheviks were monsters.
I would love to learn the full DNA of all royals.
Pretty cool to think that Elizabeth Swann's dad is Russian.
The Royals are all interrelated thanks to Queen Victoria's children
Why did the Queen say DNA really slowly? It was proper annoying! 🙄
...dna can be used in an awful lot of stuff.....
Is it just me or is Jonathan pryce a bad prince phillip
Probably just following the script - the writers/producers weren't particularly known for their interest in the facts