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  • “That is a job well done.”
    Season 1 Episode 22: What Kind Of Day Has It Been?
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  • @Sierraomega1991
    @Sierraomega1991 4 місяці тому +904

    "If fitz has to call the pilots family i am invading baghdad "is an under rated line

    • @trevornott2488
      @trevornott2488 4 місяці тому +35

      Go watch when John Goodman played President Walken. He had some damn fine lines like that one

    • @jeffreymeehan3116
      @jeffreymeehan3116 4 місяці тому +30

      "This one white man's life is worth more to me than the lives of thousands, if not millions, of brown Iraqis." - A *totally* not racist US president.

    • @potterpotty01
      @potterpotty01 4 місяці тому +7

      Not sure that would be a proportional response.

    • @potterpotty01
      @potterpotty01 4 місяці тому +1

      Not sure that would be a proportional response.

    • @Inverter222
      @Inverter222 4 місяці тому +13

      @@jeffreymeehan3116did you just assume gender and race?

  • @saintroddy
    @saintroddy 4 місяці тому +1030

    Just realized that Leo's so invested in getting the pilot out because he was in the same position as a downed F-105 pilot in Vietnam and had to be rescued from behind PAVN lines.

    • @nathanharris4105
      @nathanharris4105 4 місяці тому +4

      PAVN?

    • @larrysmith2638
      @larrysmith2638 4 місяці тому +26

      ​@@nathanharris4105People's Army of Vietnam.

    • @larrysmith2638
      @larrysmith2638 4 місяці тому +57

      Leo, although a progressive Democrat on social and economic issues, was a hawk on military matters. His personal history obviously played a part in that, but he also believed in a strong military as a part of American foreign policy.

    • @SolomonSamson747
      @SolomonSamson747 4 місяці тому +7

      Thuds were cool jets. Very stable bombing platforms, very fast, very capable. Over half the F-105s ever produced were blown out of the sky in Southeast Asia.

    • @B2Roland
      @B2Roland 4 місяці тому +23

      ​@@larrysmith2638complex political identity is something we've lost

  • @Matt-kf4iz
    @Matt-kf4iz 2 місяці тому +173

    Fitz shows leadership in about 9 different ways in this clip. From having the pilot's personal details memorized, keeping the President calm by making small talk in the oval office, and refusing to take credit for the win, he's doing everything a great leader should do, even (and especially) when dealing with his boss.

  • @glenbateman5960
    @glenbateman5960 4 місяці тому +308

    "All the same, I'm going to check out that thing with the carpet."
    Brilliant line.😂

    • @daviddownes248
      @daviddownes248 3 місяці тому +7

      Regarding the eagle in the carpet question ... it's a special trained eagle ! 😀

    • @MarkHewitt1978
      @MarkHewitt1978 Місяць тому +3

      After all these years I still wonder what the answer is.

    • @RT22-pb2pp
      @RT22-pb2pp Місяць тому +1

      Another great scene with fitz is when he offers him the choice of his daughters LOL Also a gesture of appreciation for his well done job. This show rocked

  • @paulsimmons5726
    @paulsimmons5726 2 місяці тому +52

    “I never get to make this call…”
    That scene warms my heart every time I see it!
    One of the greatest TV shows ever made!

  • @michaeltrollo4382
    @michaeltrollo4382 4 місяці тому +715

    Love the idea of a well educated, open but firm minded president

    • @jmitchell3530
      @jmitchell3530 4 місяці тому +13

      We had one.
      We got one.
      God Bless the United States of America.

    • @RM-dc6zd
      @RM-dc6zd 4 місяці тому

      it’s a shame we are going to lose one because the academic fringe has been pushing things the broader culture is not ready for (trans and new gender ideologies), things which cause more problems than they solve (pronoun police, identity politics, cancel/outrage culture, DEI ‘anti racism’, uncontrolled immigration), and active, ideologically-driven censorship in mainstream/social media as well as the academic sphere (mandatory diversity statements, anti-bias response teams). Should’ve stopped while we were ahead; now we are going to lose so much. We have been playing russian roulette with our system, and for who? for what? unstable crybullies which represent a small fraction of the population, with ideas that are less than scientifically informed.

    • @mucccvhorob4596
      @mucccvhorob4596 4 місяці тому +8

      Yeah no one is asking biden wat to do lol he wud w forget the question while he was trying to finish his ice cream

    • @Matisaro
      @Matisaro 4 місяці тому

      @@mucccvhorob4596 watch how he eats your cheeto jesus alive in the debate. Can't force him to only use out of context bullshit during a live debate.

    • @Matisaro
      @Matisaro 4 місяці тому

      Now think further and justify invading a nation killing thousands for one man shot down in that very nation for blocking their ability to fly without their peoples permission.
      Even our best are villains.

  • @joserafaeldiazmarrero7668
    @joserafaeldiazmarrero7668 4 місяці тому +471

    "Give me your parents' number, I never get to make THIS call..."
    Meaning the call with the good news.

    • @ArmyMP
      @ArmyMP 4 місяці тому +22

      I think everyone already figured that out.

    • @gemmel3197
      @gemmel3197 2 місяці тому +4

      I teared up when he said that line same as I did when I saw this 20 odd years ago.

  • @andyknott8148
    @andyknott8148 4 місяці тому +247

    "That's a job awfully well done Mr. Chairman". That's what I call a compliment.

  • @catfishcave379
    @catfishcave379 3 місяці тому +82

    John Amos as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was brilliant casting; typical of the West Wing.

    • @krismurphy7711
      @krismurphy7711 2 місяці тому

      Is he available to trade out for the guy that's in there now???

    • @Pants4096
      @Pants4096 2 місяці тому

      @@krismurphy7711 You have something against Charles Q. Brown Jr.?

  • @mxg75
    @mxg75 4 місяці тому +147

    Points to Admiral Fitzwallace for being able to answer the President’s questions about the pilot without even looking down at piece of paper.

    • @jimrichardson3078
      @jimrichardson3078 4 місяці тому +8

      @mxg75 Working for an intellect means you must always be well researched and fully prepared (or in the process of learning more)

    • @tspencer227
      @tspencer227 3 місяці тому +10

      That's how you get four stars on your collar, and get advanced to the chairmanship of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    • @Lorrdd
      @Lorrdd 3 місяці тому +3

      It's almost as if, and see if you can suspend disbelief, the meeting of the entire cabinet that was convened for the sole purpose of discussing that pilot was prepared for by the people who attended. Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

    • @Lorrdd
      @Lorrdd 3 місяці тому

      @@tspencer227 not at all. You get there by politicking and ass-kissing. America is in no way a meritocracy, it's a failed Capitalism Constitutional Republic. Money talks first, merit talks last. If the person in charge was the right person, we would never have had the Orange monkey in the States, or Trudunce in Canada.

    • @timmilder8313
      @timmilder8313 3 місяці тому

      Or it was rehearsed for deniability

  • @NevillesGran1
    @NevillesGran1 4 місяці тому +229

    Ohh Fitz asked “How are you feeling” and followed up when Bartlet was vague because he was in the know about the MS! Never caught that before.

    • @georgeniebling6566
      @georgeniebling6566 4 місяці тому +1

      Did Bartlett know Fitz knew?

    • @NevillesGran1
      @NevillesGran1 4 місяці тому +12

      @@georgeniebling6566 yeah, Fitz was in the original short list of people who they told, in his capacity as Commander of the Joint Chiefs.

    • @michaelmuldowney8
      @michaelmuldowney8 3 місяці тому +2

      Wow - well spotted.

    • @jimrichardson3078
      @jimrichardson3078 3 місяці тому +6

      @@georgeniebling6566 At the hospital after Bartlett was shot, Abby listed all that knew to the anesthesiologist before the surgery "tell, don't tell, it's up to you"

    • @b-h-t
      @b-h-t 2 місяці тому

      :O wow, yep that would make sense... nice detail

  • @designatedwingman86
    @designatedwingman86 4 місяці тому +305

    Leos reaction to the "diplomatic option" carries more weight when we later learn he was shot down in Vietnam

    • @Summersong2262
      @Summersong2262 4 місяці тому +19

      That was exactly my thinking, Leo's usually not that emotional, interesting bit of foreshadowing.

    • @DGNYY27
      @DGNYY27 4 місяці тому +3

      He also bombed civilians

    • @Bazookatone1
      @Bazookatone1 4 місяці тому +28

      Yes, because even though te character is set up in that scene as the antagonist, he's not actually wrong to suggest it. He's the diplomatic representative, its his job to speak up for that angle.

    • @gamlaman
      @gamlaman 4 місяці тому +5

      Interesting when it was diplomacy that got him home.

    • @raywellswork
      @raywellswork 3 місяці тому

      @@DGNYY27 He bombed Targets of a country that declared war on an ally. Unfortunately Civilians have died in every significant war in history since the Romans.

  • @Jmatt455
    @Jmatt455 4 місяці тому +124

    John Amos & Martin Sheen, both American treasures.

    • @glennwatson3313
      @glennwatson3313 4 місяці тому +1

      They are just actors.

    • @vanDaalstad
      @vanDaalstad 4 місяці тому +1

      Very good actors​@@glennwatson3313

    • @robertodeleon-gonzalez9844
      @robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 2 місяці тому +3

      @@glennwatson3313 Not just actors - gifted actors.

    • @glennwatson3313
      @glennwatson3313 2 місяці тому

      @@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 Still just actors, not American treasures.

    • @chadkent327
      @chadkent327 17 днів тому +2

      @@glennwatson3313 do you really place so little value on art and expression?

  • @lelandrb
    @lelandrb 4 місяці тому +169

    Fitz's voice has a unique cadence to it, it's very confident and clear

    • @gabe2349
      @gabe2349 4 місяці тому +17

      He might be my favorite character.
      The writing and the actor combine to create just a really excellent portrayal. Awesome stuff.

    • @bigmo10
      @bigmo10 4 місяці тому +9

      John Amos. Outstanding performer.

    • @snidelywhiplash
      @snidelywhiplash 4 місяці тому +10

      John Amos, a lowkey icon. Badly underappreciated actor.

    • @2legit64
      @2legit64 4 місяці тому +4

      @@snidelywhiplash Truth! Love him as Fitzwallace.

    • @sadjaxx
      @sadjaxx 4 місяці тому +1

      Rest in Peace John Amos, we miss you.

  • @ZATennisFan
    @ZATennisFan 4 місяці тому +109

    I love the subtle piece of acting Martin Sheen does without words when he is told that pilot is safe...

    • @crayolasun
      @crayolasun 2 місяці тому

      Makes me wonder if that part of the scene was left a surprise to Martin, for a genuine reaction. That said, Martin Sheen is also one hell of an actor regardless!

  • @andrewarbuckle8123
    @andrewarbuckle8123 3 місяці тому +22

    One clip like this and I could rewatch all 7 seasons in a blink. Love this show.

    • @Vares65
      @Vares65 2 місяці тому +1

      Back when they made quality over quantity. You won't find writing like this anymore.

  • @TheAngelOfDeath01
    @TheAngelOfDeath01 2 місяці тому +19

    Without question one of the BEST series ever made.

  • @shawnfox2281
    @shawnfox2281 4 місяці тому +340

    How I wish this was real and not fiction.

    • @derrickstorm6976
      @derrickstorm6976 4 місяці тому

      Clearly you don't remember season 5

    • @grantharriman284
      @grantharriman284 4 місяці тому

      I'm gonna assume you mean the competent and evenhanded operation of government, not a US pilot getting shot down in enemy territory

    • @carlousmagus5387
      @carlousmagus5387 4 місяці тому +1

      Stop voting for the two party corporate right wing duopoly and yeah you will.

    • @grantharriman284
      @grantharriman284 4 місяці тому

      @@carlousmagus5387 If you think that is a realistic option you haven't spent enough time looking at the rules of how this country works. Winner take all elections means that voting third party doesn't actually do anything. Either your vote contributes to the winner, your vote contributes to the failed attempt to defeat them, or you wasted your vote. The system naturally creates and perpetuates a 2 party reality.

    • @theshlauf
      @theshlauf 3 місяці тому +1

      @@carlousmagus5387 President Bartlett is a Democrat, not an Independent.

  • @mizzle006
    @mizzle006 4 місяці тому +46

    The way I teared up when Fitz said Captain Hotchkiss was on the line.

    • @johnjones4699
      @johnjones4699 3 місяці тому +1

      me too😢

    • @Lorrdd
      @Lorrdd 3 місяці тому

      means you're extremely emotionally weak and need mental help

    • @NBT2469
      @NBT2469 2 місяці тому +1

      Look in the mirror, with an unwanted bully comment like that. Grow up.

  • @LM-nc9ou
    @LM-nc9ou 3 місяці тому +39

    Brilliant little piece of writing: President Bartlet refers to Fitz having to call the pilot’s parents. But he wants to call himself after the pilot is rescued.

  • @charliewion8925
    @charliewion8925 4 місяці тому +94

    This is why we love Bartlett

  • @murrethmedia
    @murrethmedia 4 місяці тому +136

    From Wikipedia's article "Seal of the President of the United States."
    _A popular but erroneous myth is that the seal is changed during times of war, so that the eagle faces the arrows in its left talon. This belief may have arisen because major changes to the seal have coincidentally been made before or after wars - specifically, the 1945 change in the seal, and also the 1916 change in the flag (though not the seal) from the right-facing Great Seal to the left-facing presidential seal.[47]_
    _This misconception may also have arisen from a comment made by Winston Churchill, who, regarding Truman's redesign of the seal, joked: "Mr. President, with the greatest respect, I would prefer the American eagle's neck to be on a swivel so that it could face the olive branches or the arrows, as the occasion might demand".[53]_
    _The belief is perpetuated by a 2000 episode of The West Wing entitled "What Kind of Day Has It Been?". Character Admiral Fitzwallace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, notes that the presidential seal in the center of the Oval Office carpet contains a shield bearing a bald eagle clutching the olive branch in its right talons and arrows in its left. The eagle's head is turned toward the olive branch. Fitzwallace alleges that in times of war the seal is replaced with one in which the eagle's head is turned toward the arrows.[54]_

    • @ered203
      @ered203 4 місяці тому +11

      Excellent work, sir. Truly excellent.

    • @ElectroDFW
      @ElectroDFW 4 місяці тому +3

      How do we know it doesn't? There are very few privileged enough to actually ever be in that room, and I doubt they'd let secrets like that spill, out of respect for the office, if not the man.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 4 місяці тому +3

      @@ElectroDFW It should also be known that the country has not been at War since Harry S. Truman.

    • @ArmyMP
      @ArmyMP 4 місяці тому +2

      @@ElectroDFW The discussion is about the seal of the United States, not the rug in the Oval Office. Congress wouldn't make a law about the carpet in one room. It's about the seal, wherever it is represented, including on every US Military Officer's formal cap in uniform for example.

    • @ichikedai
      @ichikedai 3 місяці тому

      ​@@johnnotrealname8168, we've been in all of the wars. 😂. Korean War is also still ongoing to this day.

  • @CorsetGrace
    @CorsetGrace 4 місяці тому +85

    I wish we had Presidents with this kind of integrity. Wouldn't care which party. Just give me someone with integrity.

    • @vectorm4
      @vectorm4 4 місяці тому +4

      I absolutely agree, CorsetG- I fear your comment will open a flood of partisan opinion.

    • @hoganhero5
      @hoganhero5 4 місяці тому +2

      Preach

    • @ai-aniverse
      @ai-aniverse 4 місяці тому +1

      Seriously, if only

    • @moontreecollective6718
      @moontreecollective6718 4 місяці тому +1

      There were several options, but the masses wouldn’t accept them. Mitt Romney would have been a good one.

    • @marshabennett9717
      @marshabennett9717 3 місяці тому

      I couldn't agree more

  • @Culinary_Nerds
    @Culinary_Nerds 2 місяці тому +4

    When he looks Fitzwallace dead in the eye “get’em back” every instinct in me clinched and said yes sir.

  • @flankspeed
    @flankspeed 4 місяці тому +47

    That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is a Commander-in-Chief.
    Ably assisted. 👍

    • @rsenior7140
      @rsenior7140 3 місяці тому +1

      That, ladies and gentlemen, is a fictional tv show.

  • @addman
    @addman 4 місяці тому +17

    In case anyone was wondering, according to Snopes, it is FASE that the seal is changed during wartime. Possibly made us for the show. Although the seal has changed over the years, notably in 1916, President Woodrow Wilson changed the design slightly so that the eagle's head was modified to face the viewer's right, towards the talon holding the arrows. Then, in 1945, President Harry Truman made more changes, including switching the head to the left.

  • @Vares65
    @Vares65 2 місяці тому +4

    I LOVE that Fitz already knew the guy's name, where he was from, and how old he was.

  • @rafezetter8003
    @rafezetter8003 4 місяці тому +29

    Dr Josiah Bartlett is the best President the USA has never had, or ever will anytime soon. Followed thereafter by Andrew Shepard, another great president the USA never had, but should. Both from the mind of Aaron Sorkin.

    • @brandonkruse825
      @brandonkruse825 4 місяці тому

      Forgetting one, David Palmer.

    • @FS2K4Pilot
      @FS2K4Pilot 4 місяці тому

      Jordan Lyman.

    • @kenle2
      @kenle2 3 місяці тому +4

      To be fair, they both have the extremely god-tier advantage of being ... fictional.
      "Of course truth is stranger than fiction."
      "Fiction has to make sense."

    • @davidgradwell8830
      @davidgradwell8830 3 місяці тому +2

      Also, the nameless president who looks just like Henry Fonda in "Fail-Safe."

    • @leftyhitter
      @leftyhitter 3 місяці тому +2

      And both Democrats.

  • @BohabedOne
    @BohabedOne 3 місяці тому +5

    I love the look on Fitz face when he says congrats sir.

  • @spornge
    @spornge 4 місяці тому +14

    Teh gravitus of Martin Sheen mixed with the writing is just magic, all that bickering at the open and the President did exactly what he should do made it not esoteric , but about a single individual they have a responsibility to.

  • @deborahdapo3210
    @deborahdapo3210 4 місяці тому +18

    Love this show, my favorite show of all time. I own them all.

    • @llchapman1234
      @llchapman1234 4 місяці тому

      I just got the whole DVD set as a gift! Love this series and looking forward to watching the whole thing from start to finish.

  • @itsmusicnote8544
    @itsmusicnote8544 2 місяці тому +4

    Fitz talking about the carpet is the best part about this scene

  • @chadkent327
    @chadkent327 18 днів тому +2

    I like how in whatever crisis he is dealing with, Bartlett always asks these seemingly irrelevant personal questions about the people involved (how old are theyx where are they from, does their family know, etc). At first I thought it was because Bartlett is in over his head on military matters and is stalling on making a decision.. Now I understand these questions are a way of humanizing the person in question, subtly reminding everyone in the room that they are dealing with people, not numbers on spreadsheets. It’s actually a genius way to recenter everyone’s priorities without calling anyone out.

  • @grifftech
    @grifftech 4 місяці тому +13

    God how I miss this show.

  • @Guyzilla
    @Guyzilla 3 місяці тому +3

    I'm so glad they had an animation of the ejector seat, and a slide with the personal details of the pilot on standby.

  • @giantskunk
    @giantskunk 3 місяці тому +7

    Admiral Fitzwallace was my favorite character on this show.

  • @roadbeef
    @roadbeef 3 місяці тому +6

    Don't let Danny convince you to sell the farm!!!! People will come, Jed!!!

  • @moretoknowshow1887
    @moretoknowshow1887 3 місяці тому +3

    I love Fitz and his eagle question, brought a moment of levity to what could've been a tense situation.

  • @Martin-pb7ts
    @Martin-pb7ts Місяць тому +1

    Man I loved this TV series. I think it must be the best of all time for me. A group of people all trying their best and leaders that you actually want to follow. Exceptional writing, great acting, brilliant direction and everything else too.

  • @chadwickmccarty4944
    @chadwickmccarty4944 3 місяці тому +2

    It was, & still is, such a great series & this snippet is a prime example of that deserved praise.

  • @Greeley.d
    @Greeley.d 4 місяці тому +92

    I am a conservative but this would be a President that you could respect because he cared about America and he was a true leader.

    • @Erin-Thor
      @Erin-Thor 4 місяці тому +9

      I’m confused, as a Republican you seem to appreciate Democrat values.

    • @ethanpan2335
      @ethanpan2335 4 місяці тому +5

      @@Erin-Thordemocrat values like “let’s get U.S. troops back from hostile territory”. truly, the United States would be better off with the GOP, whose position you apparently take to be “let them rot”.

    • @Erin-Thor
      @Erin-Thor 4 місяці тому +18

      @@ethanpan2335 - Seriously? Republicans fought military promotions for what, 7 or 8 months? They voted to REDUCE the budget and staff for Border Security/patrol by over 20%. Republicans also call military personnel losers, and do not recognize their service or sacrifice for this country. I couldn’t disagree with you more.

    • @alertgasper
      @alertgasper 4 місяці тому

      @@Erin-Thor and in Afghanistan, our Republican president made a plan with the enemy to reduce troop forces on the ground before pulling them out. Hard to defend a retreat when there's not enough troops to defend the retreat. Or we could discuss the death of 241 Marines because Reagan didn't want them to carry loaded M16's...just before selling TOWs to the mullahs who helped with the planning of the truck bomb. Or the Republicans who exposed a CIA agent.

    • @feanedhell
      @feanedhell 4 місяці тому +4

      You sure aren’t gonna find any kind of leadership from the gop

  • @MrCCollins1993
    @MrCCollins1993 4 місяці тому +35

    I love this scene. There are so many great and worthy moments to comment on. But I'm going to go for the low and subtle joke that foe once, someome else points out an obscure historical fact and this time it's Bartlet that's bored 😂

    • @saoirsevicteoiria2759
      @saoirsevicteoiria2759 4 місяці тому +1

      It is a great way to show how much the situation is affecting Bartlett, who is always curious and almost never short with people.

  • @googoo-gjoob
    @googoo-gjoob 4 місяці тому +7

    The *GREATEST* show in the _history_ of television.

  • @stevenelson3515
    @stevenelson3515 4 місяці тому +7

    John Amos is an exceptional actor.

  • @JasondenHollander-qj5hp
    @JasondenHollander-qj5hp 4 місяці тому +14

    Sorkin’ s obsession with military toys and listing them off in every scene

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 4 місяці тому

      He was a hawk actually.

    • @capnskiddies
      @capnskiddies 4 місяці тому

      Ah, he's no Tom Clancy. That man thought he was writing a catalogue

    • @ArmyMP
      @ArmyMP 4 місяці тому

      The fact that you call them "toys" is telling.

    • @JasondenHollander-qj5hp
      @JasondenHollander-qj5hp 3 місяці тому

      @@ArmyMP naw lil’ butt hurt can’t handle some commentary on a fictional show.

  • @garyfrombrooklyn
    @garyfrombrooklyn 3 місяці тому +2

    This is one of those awesome West Wing moments that made you feel good and could handle whatever came at you on Thursday

  • @phildressel8865
    @phildressel8865 4 місяці тому +7

    My favorite all time TV show...

  • @pauldonnelly910
    @pauldonnelly910 4 місяці тому +19

    IIRC, one deftness in the drama is that we never quite find out what happens next -- that is, you can just HEAR Martin Sheen in character saying something like "this is Jed Barlett, hold for a voice you know...' or something.
    It's an echo of the original goofier character who called the Turkey Hotline.

  • @viking956
    @viking956 4 місяці тому +45

    Their "technical advisors" didn't do their homework on this one. An F-117 is strictly an attack aircraft. There is no way on this planet it would ever be assigned a "patrol" mission. The ONLY circumstance it would ever be over Iraqi territory would be to drop two bombs on preassigned targets. Patrol mission? That's the job of the F-15's, F-18's, F-22's, F-35's and F-16's.

    • @matthewbaynham6286
      @matthewbaynham6286 4 місяці тому

      The F-117 is actually a bomber, the "F" is incorrect. It only carries bombs.

    • @generalsmite7167
      @generalsmite7167 4 місяці тому +9

      Not to mention the fact that it is a stealth aircraft and the only one ever shot down was because its bomb bay doors were open and they knew exactly the direction it was flying from and they were lucky

    • @matthewbaynham6286
      @matthewbaynham6286 4 місяці тому +6

      @@generalsmite7167 wrong it wasn't the bomb bay doors that were the problem.
      Stealth aircraft can be detected with long wave radar signals however that only gives an approximate position. The F-117 crews were over confident that they were totally invisible, (which is not true), so they kept flying exactly the same routes. Do when the enemy know their approximate position and had knowledge of the usual route these pilots take, they took their shot and were a bit lucky but still they skills and experience were also required.

    • @generalsmite7167
      @generalsmite7167 4 місяці тому +6

      @@matthewbaynham6286 that’s not completely true. The Serbians were unable to detect the craft on long wave twice only on the third time when the bomb doors were open were they able to detect it. It was arrogance because not only did they fly the same route but they did not send out any sead aircraft so the Serbs were able to use their radar more than normal which is why they were able to get the lucky detection

    • @gregrtodd
      @gregrtodd 4 місяці тому +4

      Mr Sorkin, who is normally such a stickler for detail, almost always gets aircraft details wrong. Go back to Toby's very first scene in the series where he tells the flight attendant about the new L1011 he's in (rolled off the production line 3 months ago) when Lockheed stopped making the Tristar 15 years before the episode. Or Angel Maintenance, where Will Bailey (who is supposed to be in the Air Force reserve), misidentifies an F-15 as an F-16 Falcon.

  • @markc7440
    @markc7440 3 місяці тому +3

    The best President that the US never had.

  • @Reiman33
    @Reiman33 3 місяці тому +2

    i wish we lived in the west wing universe.
    "I owe you one"
    "that's not how it works, Sir"
    In this universe it totally works that way though.

  • @carl9654
    @carl9654 4 місяці тому +5

    "He had an ACES II 0-0 ejection seat..." No general is going to waste the president's time mentioning the ejection seat brand. This is either product placement or script writers getting carried away with their research.

  • @Bazookatone1
    @Bazookatone1 4 місяці тому +17

    SPOOILERS AHEAD: In a later episode, the staff are brainstorming possible running mates for Bartlett in place of Hoynes and one of them is Admiral Fitzwallace. Of course the character was killedin a car bombing while he was on a fact finding trip in Istael, but if they had kept him alive, I genuinely would have liked to have seen a continuation of the West Wing with Vinnick as President and Fitzwallace as some sort of major character, maybe as a recently Democratic represetnative, or even as a Republian Vice President.

    • @SamaritanPrime
      @SamaritanPrime 4 місяці тому +1

      A plausible scenario is that Fitzwallace stays in the background for most of the series, but makes the short list for Matthew Santos at the end of the series- replacing Leo when the older man passes away.

    • @ryanellis7842
      @ryanellis7842 4 місяці тому

      @@SamaritanPrimethat’s exactly what would have happened. Makes so much sense.

    • @SamaritanPrime
      @SamaritanPrime 4 місяці тому

      @@ryanellis7842 It would be a bit counterintuitive, given that Santos was also a military man and Fitzwallace once outranked him, but it would make sense. Fitzwallace was a no-fluff kind of guy; he gives Bartlett the info he needs in the clip above succinctly, without too much dressing, and was just an all-around capable and experienced guy. Santos would have been just fine with that guy at his back, plus Vinnick as his Secretary of State offering seasoned diplomatic advice. Santos would have been hitting the ground outright sprinting.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 4 місяці тому

      @@SamaritanPrime It does not matter what rank you were. The military is under civilian control.

    • @charissesebastian9504
      @charissesebastian9504 2 місяці тому

      Except Vinnick (Alan Alda) didn't win, Matt Santos (Jimmy Smits) did

  • @edtrine8692
    @edtrine8692 3 місяці тому +4

    This President has balls!

  • @occamraiser
    @occamraiser 4 місяці тому +19

    I've always thought that this program clearly showed the president that Americans liked to think they had, and never in my lifetime have actually had. The nearest probably being Jimmy Carter or Barak Obama. Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place with Jeb Bartlett at America's helm.

    • @MrDustinkohn01
      @MrDustinkohn01 3 місяці тому

      Obama was a wonderful speaker but in reality his war crimes and drone killings (even killed a US citizen w/o even filing charges) were so inhumane and detrimental to future foreign relations.

  • @kakapo3090
    @kakapo3090 3 місяці тому +5

    Bartlett doesn't tell Fitz to go ahead with the mission. He gives him the simple order "Get him back". Fitz knows exactly what the president is saying, and Bartlett knows exactly what Fitz is saying when he replies clearly "Yes sir".

  • @nbenefiel
    @nbenefiel 3 місяці тому +6

    I so much miss The West Wing. I rewatched it all during the Trump years and pretended that Jed Barrett was president.

  • @jomichealnelson8355
    @jomichealnelson8355 4 місяці тому +3

    He wasn't wrong to suggest diplomacy. He gave the President all the options and what a reasonable timeframe would be needed. Even knowing about the bounty it needed to be said and considered.

  • @alatona26
    @alatona26 2 місяці тому +1

    Time for another rewatch!

  • @danharris5999
    @danharris5999 4 місяці тому +3

    Rob Lowe was supposed to be the centerpiece, and Sheen was just supposed to appear in a few scenes early on and then become invisible. But Sheen had so much fun in that pilot episode that he asked for more scenes, and next thing you know he's the focal point. No disrespect to Lowe, but that show doesn't get past season 2 without Sheen, in my opinion.

  • @garretthildebrandt428
    @garretthildebrandt428 2 місяці тому +1

    When first watching this show, I liked to think of the cabinet members as Round Table figures. Bartlet & Leo are Arthur & Merlin.

  • @orlandoskipper589
    @orlandoskipper589 3 місяці тому +3

    The writers killing Fitz off was criminal...I know they needed a dramatic storyline but goddamn it.

  • @SamaritanPrime
    @SamaritanPrime 4 місяці тому +3

    Could you imagine being Hotchkiss’ parents right after this scene?
    “Hello?”
    “Hi, is this Mrs. Hotchkiss?”
    “Yes…?”
    “This is Jed Bartlett, your son’s boss. We got him. He’s on his way home. Got a sprained ankle but is otherwise fine.”

  • @bladactania
    @bladactania 4 місяці тому +5

    "Get him back."
    "Yes, Sir."
    Chef's kiss.

  • @WobblinGoblin1
    @WobblinGoblin1 Місяць тому

    I am a die-hard conservative and don't much care for liberalism, but I know well-written and well acted programming when I see it and this show has few peers in that regard. Also, as an aside, I wouldn't mind this fictional president versus the choices we've had recently. Not that I agree with everything he said or stood for, but when I see him portrayed on this show, he seems like a decent, qualified, and intelligent man. Well spoken, too. Clearly he's unburdened by what has been and is empowered to choose what can be.

  • @RC41591Shadow
    @RC41591Shadow 3 місяці тому +1

    I still want to know how they switch the seal in the carpet!

  • @jameshunt1444
    @jameshunt1444 Місяць тому

    I think this was John Amos' best role of his career. Grounded, solid, strong. Completely different persona than McDowell in Coming To America.

  • @rayzbal
    @rayzbal 4 місяці тому +1

    Bartlett was the goat. We could use him nowadays.

  • @WarrenSkipper-ho5xl
    @WarrenSkipper-ho5xl 11 днів тому

    When they wrote the Fitzsimmons character out I was emotionally devastated.

  • @nickmorgan1690
    @nickmorgan1690 2 місяці тому +1

    Worst part...we never got an answer on the carpet

  • @shaunig6716
    @shaunig6716 4 місяці тому +2

    An intelligent, well educated, empathetic man, everything a President should be! It is so scary to think that Trump was even allowed in the situation room, let alone in charge 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @pdeforest
    @pdeforest 4 місяці тому +4

    Martin Sheen for President in 2024.

  • @JosephBloggs-jk5lv
    @JosephBloggs-jk5lv 2 місяці тому +1

    Bad research on behalf of the writers. The F117 is a fighter bomber. The wrong type of aircraft to undertake this patrol.

  • @darranedmundson1505
    @darranedmundson1505 3 місяці тому

    Just watched this clip 4 times in a row.

  • @anthonybanchero3072
    @anthonybanchero3072 4 місяці тому +3

    Interesting detail, a surface combatant named after a state. Closest we have today is an LPD USS NEW YORK, with steel salvaged from the WTC making up it's bow.

    • @christianvalentin5344
      @christianvalentin5344 4 місяці тому +1

      I forgot what year this episode first aired, but as of the mid 1990s, the US Navy had a few nuclear powered guided missile cruisers that were named for states.

    • @christianvalentin5344
      @christianvalentin5344 4 місяці тому

      @poiujnbvcxdswq also the USS California and USS South Carolina. But I don’t remember when they were taken out of service.

  • @dw-yl3ln
    @dw-yl3ln 4 місяці тому +5

    Fitz is so giddy here 😅

  • @hdk173
    @hdk173 4 місяці тому +2

    "i swear to god im invading baghdad."

  • @RobDogman
    @RobDogman 21 день тому

    I love Bartlett, and Fitzwallace.

  • @a6am3mn0n
    @a6am3mn0n 4 місяці тому +129

    A certain former guy wouldn’t have done a rescue because people who get shot down over enemy territory are “losers”

    • @zionkid420
      @zionkid420 4 місяці тому +45

      And somehow that coward is still being allowed to run again.

    • @Raven9409
      @Raven9409 4 місяці тому

      I think the only reason Biden might act is because Uncle Bosey was eaten by cannibals after getting shot down…….

    • @HughShower
      @HughShower 4 місяці тому

      Ex-President Draft Dodging Bone Spurs 🙄

    • @Elthenar
      @Elthenar 4 місяці тому

      You kids can say what you want but the world was a better place when Trump was president. No wars were started on his watch. He did bungle the Afghan withdrawal so badly that people were hanging on to air force planes as they took off or leave millions in war machines behind for the Taliban.

    • @RonaldDownham
      @RonaldDownham 4 місяці тому +9

      Yup people like you always bring up politics when there's no need for it. How does it feel to be butt hurt all the time ?

  • @nikolatesla5553
    @nikolatesla5553 4 місяці тому +32

    The seal DOES NOT CHANGE during war time. Total myth.

    • @rcslyman8929
      @rcslyman8929 4 місяці тому +5

      Always look to peace, but be prepared for war.

    • @matthew1257
      @matthew1257 4 місяці тому

      Thank you for writing this so I didn't have to, Buddy.

    • @saoirsevicteoiria2759
      @saoirsevicteoiria2759 4 місяці тому +4

      It's entirely possible, however, that Fitzwallace might be one of many people who are under this mistaken impression, given that US Congress has not declared war since 1942.

    • @ArmyMP
      @ArmyMP 4 місяці тому

      @@saoirsevicteoiria2759 It was 1941.

  • @davidlee2438
    @davidlee2438 3 місяці тому +3

    the more i watch the west wing, even on repeat, I get sad that we are so far from respectable. ugh.. so annoying

  • @m.alikhan5614
    @m.alikhan5614 2 місяці тому

    From a country that has invaded so many countries since 1945 and each time had its ass kicked. But they make good war movies.!!!

  • @timofey-sak
    @timofey-sak 4 місяці тому +2

    Man, the best political TV show that ever was...

  • @GrrrTurtle
    @GrrrTurtle 18 днів тому

    Actually, "most of the time" the eagle is facing the arrows. We have spent more time at war than peace.

  • @noahbrown6970
    @noahbrown6970 4 місяці тому +3

    Is that thing about the carpet true, and if it is then how do they do it? Little details like that in regalia and heraldry absolutely fascinate me!

    • @danielchilton5400
      @danielchilton5400 4 місяці тому +3

      Not true. Before 1945 the Eagle always faced towards the arrows. After WWII Truman had the seal changed to always face towards the olive branch. The symbology: we desire peace with all, but we’re ready for war if necessary.

  • @bacchuslax7967
    @bacchuslax7967 4 місяці тому +3

    I can see these two on a presidential ticket

  • @sinecurve9999
    @sinecurve9999 2 місяці тому

    "A popular but erroneous myth is that the seal is changed during times of war, so that the eagle faces the arrows in its left talon. This belief may have arisen because major changes to the seal have coincidentally been made before or after wars - specifically, the 1945 change in the seal, and also the 1916 change in the flag (though not the seal) from the right-facing Great Seal to the left-facing presidential seal."

  • @frank3208115
    @frank3208115 2 місяці тому

    Few people know the real Josiah Bartlett was an early governor of New Hampshire
    And a signer of the Declaration of Independence

  • @develynseether4426
    @develynseether4426 4 місяці тому +3

    A democratic president making a very republican decision. This is what leaders need to be about, when it comes down to things like this you dont make decisions based on your parties preferences, you do what has to be done.

    • @notsayingmyname1684
      @notsayingmyname1684 4 місяці тому +1

      Respectfully what makes military action a “republican decision” as a moderate democrat I know that democratic presidents are not scared to pull the trigger.

  • @blissfulearth334
    @blissfulearth334 4 місяці тому +3

    Yes people would vote for Bartlett because he speaks the truth and he has integrity. Unfortunately that's rare in a real president

    • @ArmyMP
      @ArmyMP 4 місяці тому

      Both Bushes and Biden all had/have integrity.

    • @davidweihe6052
      @davidweihe6052 3 місяці тому

      @@ArmyMPWhich is why George W. Bush was erased from TWW history.

  • @dantae88
    @dantae88 4 місяці тому +3

    Leo was a POW in Vietnam after his plane was shot down.

  • @thomasafb
    @thomasafb Місяць тому

    very well done, a few problems however, a F-117 would not patrol the no-fly, since it could do nothing about it and why would the US need to be informed by NATO of the radar sightings made by a US warship? Speaking or warships, the USS North Dakota is a Virginia-class submarine, which doesn't have an AEGIS system. At the time of the show, the USS North Dakota was yet to be build, however state names were the domain of submarines at the time nevertheless.

  • @TKE644
    @TKE644 3 місяці тому +1

    Did we ever find out about the carpet?

  • @SuperDougiedoo
    @SuperDougiedoo 4 місяці тому +8

    F117 “just patrolling the no fly zone”.
    Sure, and we also like to use the USS Ford to check fishing licences.

  • @glennzanotti3346
    @glennzanotti3346 4 місяці тому +1

    Bartlett 2024!

  • @bdinaz
    @bdinaz Місяць тому

    Boy is this hokey.
    1.) A stealth bomber flying a routine patrol?
    2.) The staff knowing when and who was in the bird.?
    3.) Flying to tel aviv?

    • @lancer525
      @lancer525 Місяць тому

      1. Artistic license. TV writers sometimes do that.
      2. More common than you would think, as sometimes there are smart people in charge who do want to know these things. Better to be fully prepared than to look like you don't know what you're doing. (right-wing idiots are a good example of this, as they never know what they're doing and always look like they don't know what they're doing.)
      3. A U.S. friendly military base nearby. Not unusual.
      4. Clearly, you don't know how TV shows work.

  • @bmw10203
    @bmw10203 3 місяці тому +1

    I love Fitzwallace

  • @chewy739
    @chewy739 4 місяці тому

    I believe both the President and father was running the show here. Especially towards the end

  • @Whitpusmc
    @Whitpusmc 4 місяці тому +23

    I’m a far right Republican and I’d vote for him over either of the two choices I will have in November.

    • @RogueDragon05
      @RogueDragon05 4 місяці тому +4

      The fact that they have convinced you and everyone else that there are only 2 choices is a bigger problem then the choices themselves.

    • @jamesscully529
      @jamesscully529 4 місяці тому +2

      Back when the show was on, President Bartlet was poling higher than the two presidential candidates that year, I believe in the 2000 election, so that would have been Bush and Gore.

    • @jdgindustries2734
      @jdgindustries2734 4 місяці тому

      @@RogueDragon05 Its not us that are convinced there are only 2 choices, just enough of the people who refuse to use social media the way it was hoped for.. grassroots political change by the people. The 2016 election was the last I voted in, and my vote went to Senator Palpatine simply because at least with him, I knew what I was getting. Perhaps I'll do write-in votes going forward and put myself down, because I certainly won't do any worse than anyone else we've put in office lately. And since I know I don't know everything, my first act will be to surround myself with experts on all the topics I'll need.

    • @deidryt9944
      @deidryt9944 4 місяці тому

      It's easy for you to say that with all the "behind the scenes" looks you get during the show. But now go back and only view the public appearances and news coverage segments from The West Wing. I'm pretty sure this episode was in his first term, and so now also think of the shooting he had been subjected to, the hearings around Leo McGerry, and the Multiple Schlerosis "coverup" leading into his re-election campaign.

  • @carycimino7699
    @carycimino7699 4 місяці тому +1

    I love this guy