The British army had its own Scorpion but that was a light turreted tank armed with up to a 90mm gun and crewed by 3. It was even made into a childrens toy for the British version of GI Joe ( Action Man).
What was the name of the Action Force vehicle? There might be an American Joe equivalent because it looks really familiar to me, like I didn't have it but a friend did or something.
1:45 I love how War Thunder takes pride in having actual crew members in the open vehicles but yet they just sit there like they are waiting for a doctors appointment while facing down a freaking Sturmtiger xDDD
@@thefez-cat It kinda does though, it used to have even more recoil but it was lowered in a small patch at one point because it was originally excessive, to the point that the entire vehicle would be pushed back. I remember seeing a video where someone fired it and fell backwards into the river on eastern europe from the recoil.
The T34 (USA heavy type, not the T-34) low key reminds me of the Halo Scorp. The wide tracks and overall width along with the overall design have a vague resemblance in my view. I like imagining how the Halo 1 scorpion would do in WT
@@ThommyofThennabout as well as the M56 scorpion. In halo, it’s basically a light fire support vehicle, closer to the striker than an actual MBT. There’s basically no real armor protecting the (single) operator and it’s entire doctrine embodies being deployable by VTOL aircraft.
The M50 was originally intended to be the US Army’s airborne anti-tank vehicle, but then decided to go with the M56 instead so the Marines got the M50 as a hand me down. The M56 used the same 90mm rounds as the then current M47 tank so it made some sense from a logistics perspective, though putting such a powerful weapon on such a lightweight vehicle really just seems like someone had a visit from the Good Idea Fairy.
@@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--bneither of these projects cost that much, just throwing together pieces of already existing equipment and making a carrier for it.
The M50 Ontos has also contemporaries in both Japan and Venezuela . Japan Ground self defense force used the Type 60 Self-propelled 106 mm Recoilless Gun up util 2008. Venezuelan army has extensively modified the Chassis of an AMX-13 Tank with 6 106mm Recoilless rifle . fun fact is that the 106mm Recoilless rifle is actually chambered in 105mm but in a different caliber measurement and is smaller than the 105x617mm Round used by the L7 and derivative tank gun. it was done to avoid confusion.
The Soviets used the same system of minor numerical changes to avoid mistakes in resupply of similarly sized but different ammunition. They did a lot of dumb things, that wasn't one of them!
@@elijahstinnett2429 If i wanna do HEAT-slinging imma play the M51 instead, also the ASU-85 is a very underrated sniping tank. 245mm of APHE pen (and its 184mm at 2000m, enough to still kill a King Tiger) and 300mm of HEAT-FS pen at 6.3 is no joke. It also has a rangefinder and armor that can stop most autocannons frontally (excluding 30mm APDS, 57mm and up can pen it frontally with full caliber AP as well). Always so funny when ppl try to kill a supposedly paper tank with an SPAA only for it to resist. It is kinda slow, but the cannon is just soooo good.
Hello Johnny. The Soviets also had contemporaries related to lightweight tank destroyers/ field guns similar to M56 scorpion. The ASU-57 and later ASU-85 would see long time service with VDV. The ASU-85 was much better armed and also saw extensive service during Soviet Afghan war and Sino Vietnamese war. waiting for my fellow warthunder players to comment.
That's a show I haven't thought about in decades. All I remember of that is the SNL spoof 'Amerida' which was about Canada invading the States and Phil Hartman complaining about football players having to punt on third down now.
In the TV show Tour of Duty there is one briefly seen in season 3 of the show driving with a jeep trying to get around it. It's so random but I just watched the episode then remembered this video.
Thanks Johnny, I had not heard of the Scorpion. Obviously, someone in the head shed thought they had reinvented the wheel. But it looks a bit like what the Germans were doing with the Marder. Love your vids. Cheers
They say this was a TD but Id say it was less a tank destroyer and more a "high mobility anti tank gun" not something you want to ride into battle but instead park it in some bushes or dug in and wait for armor to wonder too close
That's still a tank destroyer, look up American doctrine. Towed 76mm and 90mm anti-tank guns were also called tank destroyers. Tank destroyers were simply anti-tank units that moved to wear the enemy tanks were going to be to ambush them.
towed guns were not called tank destroyers they were part of tank destroyer UNITS now mount the gun on a truck or halftrack and then its called a TD unofficially but still just a "gun motor carriage *mm" officially this is also not really fitting in the TD doctrines of the US as its not meant to charge ahead of an attack and more just to park in a bush and act as a mobile gun as it didnt have the speed nor the ability as this was a paratrooper vehicle and they dont typically attack armored spearheads that being said at this point there wasnt really a TD doctrine for the US and it was more mobile guns/missile carriers that were attached to units when armor wasnt available or appropriate its a nickpick but I stand by it in this instance @@matthiuskoenig3378
i think 190 MM of armor pen from a kilometer is really good. but it doesn't sound like the crew liked the vehicle much. and an open crew means ambushes and shrapnel are an easy down fall of this vehicle. of course it's always good to remember that just because the vehicle was never used that much, doesn't mean it was bad, just means there likely was better options available.
The idea of armored infantry was the backbone of this idea i think. Infantry protects the armor from attack by infantry that can sneak up close and the armor protects the infantry from attack by other armor or artillery that thye cant attack due to toughness. So with this idea the infantry is the armor because they would be there to keep ambush and attack away and it would light enough to deploy with them. But as with most things in combat...its usually a good idea, but can it actually happen that way. Im sure it got to far away from it support or purpose or sent on the wrong missions and it sucked.
i imagine they looked at this vehicle and either said (yes we need a tank destroyer) or said (it can't fit all roles so it bad vehicle) a lot of block heads in the army. but in my opinion this vehicle (assuming it actually functions well, and is well liked by the crew) is situational. and couldn't be really effective outside of it's exact combat roles.@@heathb4319
The Scorpion was developed at about the same time that the ASU-57 and ASU-85 were being developed by the USSR. Airborne forces were being upgraded in order to provide more firepower and endure enemy armor counterattacks. As for the recoil, that could have been at least partially solved by a folding spade at the rear of the hull.
I'd never heard of this vehicle until I saw one at the Combat Air Museum in Topeka at Forbes Field. It's in pretty rough shape, but they are planning on restoring it.
Just a thought on The Recoil. I'll bet the crew was so pumped on adrenaline if they were actually engaging an enemy tank in that little thing, recoil would be their last concern! 😉
Since it weighed tens of tons less than a regular tank, was it still likely to set off an anti-tank mine during the Cold War? Or were most anti-tank mines of the era designed to combat weighty vehicles in general?
Most AT mines were/are either triggered by a pressure plate that will go off if run over by anything heavier than several hundred pounds, or have a magnetic trigger. The fact that the M56 was "only" 7 tons (which is a huge amount of weight) wouldn't save it from AT mines in the slightest. ;)
That's not how pressure plates work. Pressure plates work on ground pressure, a mine that won't activate by infantry will not activate by a vehicle with the same or lower ground pressure as infantry.
One of a few vehicles where being attacked by a tank was less of a danger than being attacked by infantry ;-) This vehicle could fight tanks just like any other tank gun, but was very limited in capability when you had to engage infantry. No armour meant that even a rifle was as much of a threat as enemy tank gun. That blast plate could be shot through by a 7.62.
It would take a brave crew to fight in such a unprotected vehicle. The Soviet SU76 had more armor protection, and it still was considered a death trap from exposure to shell fragments.
With the problematic recoil in mind, I wonder if the Halo vehicle designers both in real life and in-universe actually compensated with their own Scorpion's gun position and armor build.
I really enjoy your pocket history vids. Wondering if you plan on doing one on the Walther P38, as you've already done the Luger, the Nambu and the Allied Side Arms...?
Hey Johnny could you do a video on the f 86 Sabre or the navy version also I don’t know if you do videos on full wars but could you do a video on the indo pak war that happened in the 1970s (My grandfather flew for the IAF)
I wonder what the thinking was NOT to have a piece of steel on either side of the gun mounting to give 'some' SIDE PROTECTION to the crew? I understand the need to reduce weight due to it being air-dropped, but surely this could have been achieved without too much difficulty. The plate at the front was 5mm thick and could have been wrapped around giving 'some' crew protection on 3 sides...
@@pepebeezon772 ~ Oh I don't know, from cream cakes, viciously thrown fruit, harsh language, empty drink cans etc. What do you think from you tit, you breast of a man..
It’s Adorable and represent’s alotta Good Doctrine Nowhere near enough to get the job done And it doesn’t even know how to accomplish what little it aim’s for
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Dude...comment of the day!
The British army had its own Scorpion but that was a light turreted tank armed with up to a 90mm gun and crewed by 3. It was even made into a childrens toy for the British version of GI Joe ( Action Man).
the 90mm is really short
Gaijin when? I want this as BR6. 7 British vehicle.
The toy version showed up in the ’Doctor Who’ serial ‘Robot.’
What was the name of the Action Force vehicle? There might be an American Joe equivalent because it looks really familiar to me, like I didn't have it but a friend did or something.
The Scorpion 90 was mainly an export version... What fascinates me was the aluminium armour! (Aluminum armor for our US friends...)
1:45 I love how War Thunder takes pride in having actual crew members in the open vehicles but yet they just sit there like they are waiting for a doctors appointment while facing down a freaking Sturmtiger xDDD
Then again, the War Thunder version doesn't bounce like it's been kicked by a giant every time the gun fires either.
@@thefez-cat It kinda does though, it used to have even more recoil but it was lowered in a small patch at one point because it was originally excessive, to the point that the entire vehicle would be pushed back. I remember seeing a video where someone fired it and fell backwards into the river on eastern europe from the recoil.
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"Johnson? Johnson???"
"Uh, he was incinerated by the explosion a minute ago. Can I take his place? Please?"
For a second there I thought you made a video about the scorpion tank in Halo
If only
We all did :(
On the bright side, April Fool’s Day video idea?
Or the Scorpions from Command and Conquer: Generals or Tiberium Wars.
Anyways, *"SHIELLLLLLAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"*
The T34 (USA heavy type, not the T-34) low key reminds me of the Halo Scorp. The wide tracks and overall width along with the overall design have a vague resemblance in my view. I like imagining how the Halo 1 scorpion would do in WT
@@ThommyofThennabout as well as the M56 scorpion.
In halo, it’s basically a light fire support vehicle, closer to the striker than an actual MBT. There’s basically no real armor protecting the (single) operator and it’s entire doctrine embodies being deployable by VTOL aircraft.
The M50 was originally intended to be the US Army’s airborne anti-tank vehicle, but then decided to go with the M56 instead so the Marines got the M50 as a hand me down. The M56 used the same 90mm rounds as the then current M47 tank so it made some sense from a logistics perspective, though putting such a powerful weapon on such a lightweight vehicle really just seems like someone had a visit from the Good Idea Fairy.
Money to burn, USA.
@@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--bneither of these projects cost that much, just throwing together pieces of already existing equipment and making a carrier for it.
The M50 Ontos has also contemporaries in both Japan and Venezuela .
Japan Ground self defense force used the Type 60 Self-propelled 106 mm Recoilless Gun up util 2008.
Venezuelan army has extensively modified the Chassis of an AMX-13 Tank with 6 106mm Recoilless rifle .
fun fact is that the 106mm Recoilless rifle is actually chambered in 105mm but in a different caliber measurement and is smaller than the 105x617mm Round used by the L7 and derivative tank gun. it was done to avoid confusion.
Flashback to the time an M36 crew got ammo for M26 Pershing or something lol, also the same with 77mm HV, literally just a cut down 17 pdr iirc
The Soviets used the same system of minor numerical changes to avoid mistakes in resupply of similarly sized but different ammunition. They did a lot of dumb things, that wasn't one of them!
M56 in Warthunder when you get hit by the smallest bomb ever
Lol but its worth it once you unlock HEAT rounds and can bypass all armor at that rating angles not included
@@elijahstinnett2429 If i wanna do HEAT-slinging imma play the M51 instead, also the ASU-85 is a very underrated sniping tank. 245mm of APHE pen (and its 184mm at 2000m, enough to still kill a King Tiger) and 300mm of HEAT-FS pen at 6.3 is no joke. It also has a rangefinder and armor that can stop most autocannons frontally (excluding 30mm APDS, 57mm and up can pen it frontally with full caliber AP as well). Always so funny when ppl try to kill a supposedly paper tank with an SPAA only for it to resist. It is kinda slow, but the cannon is just soooo good.
Thank you, My father was a platoon leader of the M56 in Korea in the late 50's.
A Trailer Park Boys episode where they drive around in an M56 might be even better than the one where they kidnap Alex Lifeson.
There's one of these at a local park. It's pretty cool.
That Bubbles clip at the end, you truly are a man of culture!
Smokes let's go
An awesome obscure vehicular history piece
Great video! Never heard of this small airborne tank and it taught me a lot about it, Thanks!
Hello Johnny.
The Soviets also had contemporaries related to lightweight tank destroyers/ field guns similar to M56 scorpion.
The ASU-57 and later ASU-85 would see long time service with VDV. The ASU-85 was much better armed and also saw extensive service during Soviet Afghan war and Sino Vietnamese war. waiting for my fellow warthunder players to comment.
Having seen an ASU-57 in CFB Gagetown, This thing was TINY! Really makes anything else in the tank park look huge in comparison.
@@k9turrent want to see Tiny take a look at a German wiesel
Ah Bubbles. The Scorpion was quick reaction anti armour capability to counter the thousands of Soviet T54/55’s rolling through the Fulda Gap.
It's been a minute since I gave any thought to Winter Kills. That was one wild film!
1:46
That sturmtiger got violated
I have been searching for this. my brother built a model of it back in the late 1950s .
As a child I thought it was a good idea .
Thanks.👍
A stadium in Cedar rapids Iowa has one of these on display along with a walker bulldog I believe. beautiful machines
This channel is my safe haven of good content. Ty for the great vids.
Awesome trailer park boys reference at the end 👌🏼
Tight, well made video mate. As we've come to expect. Good stuff
One of my biggest brags is that I’ve seen four different examples of this thing in three different places. Love the scorpion
Never knew much about this thank you for the video. 👍
Revell had a 1/48 scale M-56 Scorpion model that I played with. That's what I did with military models when I was a kid.
GREAT vid, as ALWAYS.👍
It does seem to have a helluva bite, don't it. Thanks Johnny, see ya next time.
I think you should do an overview of the series "Amerika".
I really should! I have to find a better quality version mind you.
That's a show I haven't thought about in decades. All I remember of that is the SNL spoof 'Amerida' which was about Canada invading the States and Phil Hartman complaining about football players having to punt on third down now.
did not expect to ever see a TPB cameo in one of your vids hahah!
In the TV show Tour of Duty there is one briefly seen in season 3 of the show driving with a jeep trying to get around it. It's so random but I just watched the episode then remembered this video.
Thanks Johnny, I had not heard of the Scorpion. Obviously, someone in the head shed thought they had reinvented the wheel. But it looks a bit like what the Germans were doing with the Marder. Love your vids. Cheers
They say this was a TD but Id say it was less a tank destroyer and more a "high mobility anti tank gun"
not something you want to ride into battle but instead park it in some bushes or dug in and wait for armor to wonder too close
That's still a tank destroyer, look up American doctrine. Towed 76mm and 90mm anti-tank guns were also called tank destroyers.
Tank destroyers were simply anti-tank units that moved to wear the enemy tanks were going to be to ambush them.
towed guns were not called tank destroyers they were part of tank destroyer UNITS now mount the gun on a truck or halftrack and then its called a TD unofficially but still just a "gun motor carriage *mm" officially
this is also not really fitting in the TD doctrines of the US as its not meant to charge ahead of an attack and more just to park in a bush and act as a mobile gun as it didnt have the speed nor the ability as this was a paratrooper vehicle and they dont typically attack armored spearheads
that being said at this point there wasnt really a TD doctrine for the US and it was more mobile guns/missile carriers that were attached to units when armor wasnt available or appropriate
its a nickpick but I stand by it in this instance @@matthiuskoenig3378
i think 190 MM of armor pen from a kilometer is really good. but it doesn't sound like the crew liked the vehicle much. and an open crew means ambushes and shrapnel are an easy down fall of this vehicle.
of course it's always good to remember that just because the vehicle was never used that much, doesn't mean it was bad, just means there likely was better options available.
The idea of armored infantry was the backbone of this idea i think.
Infantry protects the armor from attack by infantry that can sneak up close and the armor protects the infantry from attack by other armor or artillery that thye cant attack due to toughness.
So with this idea the infantry is the armor because they would be there to keep ambush and attack away and it would light enough to deploy with them.
But as with most things in combat...its usually a good idea, but can it actually happen that way.
Im sure it got to far away from it support or purpose or sent on the wrong missions and it sucked.
i imagine they looked at this vehicle and either said (yes we need a tank destroyer) or said (it can't fit all roles so it bad vehicle) a lot of block heads in the army. but in my opinion this vehicle (assuming it actually functions well, and is well liked by the crew) is situational. and couldn't be really effective outside of it's exact combat roles.@@heathb4319
This is a self-propelled anti-tank gun effectively.
Its vulnerable in an ambush, a towed gun would be even more vulnerable.
The Scorpion was developed at about the same time that the ASU-57 and ASU-85 were being developed by the USSR. Airborne forces were being upgraded in order to provide more firepower and endure enemy armor counterattacks. As for the recoil, that could have been at least partially solved by a folding spade at the rear of the hull.
Qapla!
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqRoger, flight leader!
Awesome knew nothing about this one, great info!
The ending clip was amazing
ahahahah love the TPB reference with Bubbles hum no... with Scorpion !
There are clips of those in Airwolf.
Awesome video, thanks for making cool vids like this and have a great day good sir
Friggin love the trailer park boys inclusion at the end
It was the liquor that put it in.
I'd never heard of this vehicle until I saw one at the Combat Air Museum in Topeka at Forbes Field. It's in pretty rough shape, but they are planning on restoring it.
My personal favorite. Iv seen the one in Auburn Washington.
I suggest videos on the:
T-34 tank
M1919 Browning machine gun
M1917 Browning machine gun
Brown Bess musket
Charleville musket
Pennsylvania long rifle
Bowie knife
Fairbairn Sykes knife
Katana sword
Spear
It looks like it's trying to get back to the aircraft that dropped it when it fires.
Hahahaha...like a baby reaching up for it's mom or dad to be picked up again.
Just a thought on The Recoil. I'll bet the crew was so pumped on adrenaline if they were actually engaging an enemy tank in that little thing, recoil would be their last concern! 😉
If you want to see one in person, at the 45th national guard museum there's one. The museum is in oklahoma city
Awesome weapons history! Thanks for showing the real life weapon vs the fake movies too!
Movies from the 80s were the best!☺
BTW, I believe it is Hell on the Battleground. Classic!!!
I recall my dad getting me a 1/35 scale model kit of this thing when I was a kid.
ayy new video! thank you
Since it weighed tens of tons less than a regular tank, was it still likely to set off an anti-tank mine during the Cold War? Or were most anti-tank mines of the era designed to combat weighty vehicles in general?
Most AT mines were/are either triggered by a pressure plate that will go off if run over by anything heavier than several hundred pounds, or have a magnetic trigger. The fact that the M56 was "only" 7 tons (which is a huge amount of weight) wouldn't save it from AT mines in the slightest. ;)
That's not how pressure plates work. Pressure plates work on ground pressure, a mine that won't activate by infantry will not activate by a vehicle with the same or lower ground pressure as infantry.
"How does 90mm of Tungsten strike yah?"
Great use of TPB!
Boy acting in those movie clips was something...I don't want to see twice. 😁
Ive never heard of this. Pretty cool
Yeah. I remember we had a model of one of those as kids.
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One of a few vehicles where being attacked by a tank was less of a danger than being attacked by infantry ;-) This vehicle could fight tanks just like any other tank gun, but was very limited in capability when you had to engage infantry. No armour meant that even a rifle was as much of a threat as enemy tank gun. That blast plate could be shot through by a 7.62.
A local museum had one, but I think they sold it a few years ago
1:41 as usual, interesting choice of War Thunder footage 😂
please, what's the name of the drum music starting at 1:06?
Tribal War Council - Doug Maxwell
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq thx a lot
Trailer park Boys really needed more scenes with afvs.
Man, Hell on the Battleground looks like a classic...
The Disabled Veterans Hall near my house has one on display.
They needed these in Normandy a big gun better than no gun.
It would take a brave crew to fight in such a unprotected vehicle. The Soviet SU76 had more armor protection, and it still was considered a death trap from exposure to shell fragments.
You know it's rough when even the manual tells you it might be safer to get away from the vehicle when it fires!😂😂
Is that 7 tons combat weight or do you have to drop the ammo and fuel separately?
Are the rubber tracks against lightning bolts?!
Pretty much the bucker today but with less emphasis on anti infantry capabilities and more emphasis on and off range to range combat
A cute little tank ( Allo Allo's lt. Gruber quote)
To anyone wondering why it's aptly named, just like the namesake, the "sting" is in the back, like the British fv101 & halo scorpion.
With the problematic recoil in mind, I wonder if the Halo vehicle designers both in real life and in-universe actually compensated with their own Scorpion's gun position and armor build.
So did bubbles glue a m56 to his bird also ?
What if the M56 Scorpion was equipped with a manual-loading IMI / OTO Melara 60mm High Velocity Medium Support (HVMS) gun?
The M50 Ontos...
Does anybody remember Chromehounds for the xbox 360?
Looks like one of the hounds.
Literally the one on the game cover.
The mid 70s vibe is strong
1975, Liverpool Empire, Genesis, Phil Collins was on top form....😅😅
Seems the M56 was born too late. Probably have been great in WW2 helping the 101st airborne
Except they didn't have the aircraft to drop it with then....BIT of a problem! lol
@trooperdgb9722 couldn't it fit in the same gliders as the Locusts?
I really enjoy your pocket history vids. Wondering if you plan on doing one on the Walther P38, as you've already done the Luger, the Nambu and the Allied Side Arms...?
What movies are featured?
M56 is fun :) wish war thunder had a mechanic of airdrop when spawning m56 :)
At 1:01 it looks as if the gunner has a AK-47. Or is it an M2 Carbine?
The gun ejects the casing by itself, it also ejects the crew member from he's seat.
Didn’t expect the trailer park boys clip, I just know you’ve been waiting to use that lol
Smokes let's go
Hey Johnny could you do a video on the f 86 Sabre or the navy version also I don’t know if you do videos on full wars but could you do a video on the indo pak war that happened in the 1970s (My grandfather flew for the IAF)
Same with the MiG-15 and the F3D Skyknight.
I love this thing it's so silly
M56 vs CATI 90, which is better?
Hey dude, can you do a review on italian ww2 submachine guns, since most people don't talk about those weapons
Hey, Johnny, do you have a master watch list or spreadsheet of all the movies you mention or show in your videos?
Furry? Thats cool :D
I wonder what the thinking was NOT to have a piece of steel on either side of the gun mounting to give 'some' SIDE PROTECTION to the crew? I understand the need to reduce weight due to it being air-dropped, but surely this could have been achieved without too much difficulty. The plate at the front was 5mm thick and could have been wrapped around giving 'some' crew protection on 3 sides...
Against what?
@@pepebeezon772 ~ Oh I don't know, from cream cakes, viciously thrown fruit, harsh language, empty drink cans etc. What do you think from you tit, you breast of a man..
if you haven’t already please do a video on the T-64
Make one on the Locust airborne light tank.
Idea: Tranquilizer guns (AKA dart guns) - in the movies.
Any reference to TPB gets an upvote and a comment. Nice work.
I'll share my pepperoni with you any day.
The tank from almost action movies.
It’s Adorable and represent’s alotta Good Doctrine
Nowhere near enough to get the job done
And it doesn’t even know how to accomplish what little it aim’s for
I think the Germans did the same thing with the PAK 38 and PAK 40 as well as the flak 88
In terms of mounting them on unarmoured vehciles, yes. In terms of making them airborne, no.
I now have some B action movies to watch.
I thought I have this thing in Warthunder.
The end os AWESOME KKKK
10 degrees of depression? That's rookie numbers. My shrink gave me at least 30 last time we talked.