7:31 the Corsair has five kill marks, clearly the Chinese film makers didn't know what these ment, because only one Corsair pilot became an ace in the Korean War, shooting down three La-11s and two Yaks. This guy is not Guy Bordelon, as he survived the war.
@@kj_heichou They were red stars, if he was in WWII it would be rising suns. Also it would've only been on the plane that achieved those victories, and the Marine Corsairs in Korea were completely different machines to the ones used in WWII.
what's movie making like on your continent any big name movies or directors we might have heard of. I imagine it would be concentrated in like Nollywood, Egypt and south africa maybe?
@@lolasdm6959ur statement is pretty weird to me considering the fact that they were all based on real events. So u r satiring them or complimenting them for how close to reality the movies are?
Speaking as an American who did theatre with dialect work in college, to be fair to the Russian actors in the first film, their American accents are quite good for being non-native speakers-better, in several cases, than the American accents in some older episodes of the British TV show Dr. Who. But the dialogue in the clips shown was indeed off just enough to be unintentionally funny. But to be fair, it was more than accurate enough for its primary audience-I certainly rarely detect inaccurate accents in languages other than English (excluding obvious examples like Brad Pitt’s Italian in a certain self-consciously over-the-top Tarantino flick set in WWII).
@@returnnull3476 not sure if that's just the style of acting that is preferred in Chinese cinema though, rather than a fault of the actors. Watch older American movies and the acting is very stylized.
It's funny how they wouldn't get Americans to act in their movie, while the French made a movie about Dien Bien Phu, you know the battle they lost, where the Viet Minh troops were played by actual actual NVA soldiers
I find the dialogues to be quite witty and interesting at that. The ADR was recorded either by Westerners lving/working in China(White Mon**ys). Russians only did the acting part. Still, even though i vehemently oppose CCP propaganda, these movies hold together very well. They are mostly coherent and entertaining.
@Silver_Prussian I believe you're misinterpreting my comment I'm saying they did a good job in doing an American accent. I'm not denigrating their efforts in at least trying. Believe me I am no fan of Hollywood hell they even mess up our own accents more times than you realize.
@@apeasant8550sorry I misread. I remember that scene with arnold saying cocaine in russian, when he really just invented a new word there😂😂 Or how they made Drago from rocky act like a grunt with downs syndrome.
I loved the 800. Was even oddly suprised it was made in Communist China instead of Taiwan. A movie in which the Communist Chinese honor their former enemies of the Civil War
@@jonpimberton You mean, when i said "The Communists do not respect anybody"???? How is that "brainwashed"? Please tell me, because i lived with them long enough to know their bs. I would like to hear from you
@@lord-of-the-shinobi-world "Communists don't respect anybody" is a brainwashed statement. Lumping all of the "other" group together and dehumanizing them.
@@jonpimberton That's it? You have no idea what you're saying. I know the Communists' bs better than you, 100% certain. The Communists are trash, no matter what country they are in, and this is a well known fact. Unless you are too busy kissing their a****, then we have nothing to discuss
"Operation Red Sea" Funny, because when China was called upon in real life to actually protect shipping and fight jihadist Pirates....they backed down. lol
It was in Sudan. The Chinese Peacekeeping was backed down, yes. By the order from UN peacekeeping commander. But you have to see the context. At that time, China has good relationship with North Sudan and South Sudan. They went there not become the enemy of one faction.
@@rogerc6533they were being actively fired upon. Any other UN unit would've fired back in self defense as that is the most basic and easy to understand RoE. The Chinese troops had to relay all decisions through Beijing
the 800 was a beautiful movie. Unlike most chinese war movies they actually portrayed the Japanese as a competent highly trained force and werent scared of showing the reality of war being that of a bloody place rather than a place where heroes were made.
the only thing I didn't like about that movie was there was a speech about one day having the chinese flag over mt fiji which is some pretty low level propaganda shit.
The second batle of Lake Changjin was actually rewritten to make the PVA take more losses. The officer of the actual mission actually survived to tell his story, it wasn't a high stakes fight to the last man battle. However, most Chinese war movies are about the collective sacrifice and effort. It was probably rewritten to to highlight that.
The scenes with Americans is like movies from 80's Chinese movies that you don't understand and dubbed with awkward accent. When China make movies like The Great Leap and The Square of Tiannamen
Good video, its a shame that the quality of Assembly and that Sino-Vietnam war movie from the 80s highlighted the incompetence of Chinese strategies and high casualities has been replaced by sleek propoganda
Chinese movies back then were actually made by real producers with real talents with actual stories to tell. Now any war movie coming out of China is some CGI filled action flick sponsored by the PLA to make themselves look better
Is it? In 1979, Vietnam had supplies provided by China before, military assistance from the Soviet Union, and soldiers were experienced who had fought against Americans. However, China's weapons and equipments were far less advanced than Vietnam's, difficulty in supply. Then, China destroyed the vast majority of Vietnam's industrial base, made its economy impossible to recover until today. But, the Chinese did not have enough military strength to consolidate the occupied areas due to the threat from the Soviet Union. The Chinese chose to withdraw from their territory, so both Vietnam and China claimed to be the victors of the war.
It generally was not incompetence for anything before the Sino-Vietnam war. Chinese resources and capabilities for warfare were truly that awful. They made the best of what pathetic little they had. Its true sacrifice, heroism and underdog scrappiness. The Sino-Vietnam was indeed out of touch incompetence. Many of the automatic weapons the Vietnamese had were donated by China to fight Americans yet the troops that invaded Vietnam were still armed with SKSes. They were Outgunned by their own proxy armed state. This was right after the cultural revolution so the entire nation essentially regressed for an entire decade. This embarrassing debacle lead to radical changes for the PLA and also deepened American military support to China; whose legacy is still apparent in Chinas current armed forces.
It's pretty funny because when we protray nazis as evil today, actual nazis also think: Damn the nazis here are being so bad ass. It's always a red flag when someone iterally identifies with exaggeratedly evil blood thirsty war maniacs.
@@link4585no we don’t need to blame Mac for “forcing chinas hand” if you actually read historical documents from Russian archives you know from Stalin and Mao’s correspondence he didn’t want to do SHIT in Korea or help KIS at first. He was forced to by Stalin to help. In 1950 he was preparing to eviscerate the last remnants of the KMT in Taiwan and was massing invasion forces. Korea kicks off and eventually Stalin and KIS force him to send the forces to Korea. He was not able to and Taiwan once and for all and the issue plagues China to this day
The 800 was "propaganda" from the beginning. At that time, there were only about 400 people in the temporary unit, and the actual fighting was not very intense. The media of the Kuomintang government at the time carried out a large amount of propaganda as a mobilization for war.
Tbh as a Chinese the propaganda movie is kinda insulting even for the pla or as we call them volunteers. One of the worst scenes in my opinion was the frozen soldier scene which was treated as if it was a heroic act which triggered me. The whole point of the frozen soldier was to demonstrate just how poor the supply line and logistics of the pla were. This isn’t something to be proud about as some fucking asshole on top sent those men out just to froze to death without any proper clothing to give a moral debuff for the Americans. Just why? Again, the chosin river movie is outright just a misinformation propaganda movie that bends history and it’s one of the few times when the Americans were actually the good guys. Yet, this film presents the yanks as invaders. They were protecting South Korea and had no intention of invading China it’s all because of Stalin’s words and it fooled mao and Kim.
We made movies about us invading of other countries and masquerading it as patriotic, fight for freedom. But it's terrible when other countries makes war movies about being invaded and somehow that's a big no no because it had nationalism all in it.
Yep. Also "nationalism" is the dirty word people throw at nations who fight for their independence and liberation. Was America "nationalist" when it rallied people under the banner of patriotism and fought against the British empire?
@@lynnjohnny01 Nationalism isn't always extreme. Viewing nationalism solely through its negative connotation is not comprehensive or fair. Most modern sovereign states are nation states formed through the common identity of the nation with nationalism. This healthy dose of common identity helps unite a people, create their unique culture, and give the people a sense of belonging. It's the extreme nationalism that starts to threaten other nations' liberty.
The Eight Hundred? That movie was no propaganda. The event was real. The Japanese forces actually had to retreat, and so did the Nationalist Army. The fact that in real life, the Nationalist Flag was hung on that building of Sihang warehouse, was proof. Sure, it added some people at the end, but those things do not change the history. The Communist really hate the fact the Nationalist Party was the one party that actually fought the Japanese forces, so for that movie Eight Hundred to be shown, meaning either the CCP is being messed up, or Taiwan is having some issues.
HAHA, this guy is probably Russian or from ex-Soviet country, if you really know their prespective on China and it's people it would be a impression of weakness. The weak man of Asia impression stuck more with them than in western countries of course he would think 800 Chinese troops defeating numerically surperior Japanese troops is a fictional event.
No the CCP never disliked the NRA, they've always seen them as fellow Chinese and pay respect to them by making the 800 and many other WW2 movies set in during the 2nd Sino Japanese War, in the end they're just fellow Chinese forced to defend themselves against the invading IJA. Also many NRA troops defected to the PLA during the civil war which is why they're not as heavily antagonized as many outsiders think.
Sam Hill is a southern and more polite way of saying, 'What the hell?' Yes, it's fairly common as a trope to show someone is southern in American media without just saying they're southern, and no, I don't know the etymology of the phrase and most people don't either.
The multiple references they make to blowing up HQs or flags in Lake Changjin makes me think the PLA unironically thinks wars are fought like a conquest match in COH. Also love the little things like soldiers pointing forward when screaming out commands to fire,stupidly impossible or over the top things like someone getting unfrozen and regaining consciousness after being set on fire rather than dying or giving their enemy's frozen corpses an egojob complete with a rousing speech about their fighting spirit and skill while the camera pans over the faces of all the valorous soldiers cause it's shit you'd only see in bad Chinese propaganda war movies. I also love how they just love to potray the villains are overly barbaric,brutal,degenerate and corrupt people. Thanks i really needed to make sure the Americans were the bad ones,the scene with the stupid and unnescessary burning of corpses while dramatic inspirational music plays helped confirm. It's as if they think their audience is so dumb and lacks such capacity for self thought that they just need to point out who the bad ones really are in case someone questions what the party says happened and gets disillusioned. They hammer it in so hard in every movie they might as well put a red arrow pointing to the villains in every scene they're in
@@thehaguecantcatchme4692? I'm just stating my opinion on them. Also yes while they are films,in mainland China some people take these as clear cut portrayals of what actually happened in the war. Only slightly dramatized by the fact it's a movie. And falsely portraying history just to make yourself look better is one of the most dangerous things you could do to your own people. Sure now it's just the world laughing at how bad these movies are and how over the top and ridiculous they are. But who knows what other consequences such false portrayals will have in a country such as China if they ramp up their censorship and try to view their version of history as the only real thing
"I also love how they just love to potray the villains are overly barbaric,brutal,degenerate and corrupt people" so every American made war movie ever? These kind of movies is what the west watched regularly since WW2. this kind of stuff is expected out of these kind of generic war movies, so getting worked up over it is pointless
@@mw00295 Older WW2 movies maybe. But modern era western ones tend to be a bit less cartoonish. At least most aren't showing the Germans like they're cartoon characters who only speak English with a German accent. Also again yes it is to be expected with such productions but the trouble with it is the implications. I mean we still have boomers born after WW2 who think WW2 is this rose tinted glasses romp to victory rather than the huge tragedy it is. Also i'm talking about modern WW2 movies. If we're talking about vintage war movies,Chinese movies from the 80s had far more depth than American movies where some action hero just blows up a vaguely Communist country then saves the day world after he burns down everything. Chinese movies used to actually have real stories to tell,not some cheap propaganda flick to spin history around. The West has somewhat moved on from showing the Nazis as these overly brutal war monsters who only wake up to cause trouble every day
my Grandfather, may God rest his soul, was a US Marine who served in the Korean war. I wish he was still here so I can ask him if he ever played Hide-N-Seek, then he could tell me "Certainly not at Christmas". 100000/10, SUPER realistic in the portrayal of US soldiers in war. It was just...like...that!
There were also other Chinese propaganda films such as My War and the Chinese sniper guy both Korean War and Towards the Glorious River about the Chinese Civil War where the Reds successfully crossed the Yangtze to dfeat the KMT in the south
Tbh the “Towards the Glorious river” isn’t a propaganda if the KMT were humiliated by the Communists so bad, like look at “The Huaihai campaign”, that battle was brutal and humiliating Also the “Chinese sniper” is based on a person, 1 person is about how they fought, not made up Also “My war” is from the start of the Korean war(probably) and the Chinese pushed the UN forces back to the 38th parallel
i have somewhat lovehate relationship toward ''The Eight Hundred'' film, the film is amazing and they went as far to dedicate themself to make this whole setting believable, tons of 88th division equipment and alongside the IJA equipment as well, its definitely passionate project, however the problem with the film is that they tries to emphasize that it based on true story while some of parts of the film is definitely dramatized to the point they start making too patriotic and makes japan looks worst in the film. For examples the japanese plane in reality only strafed the flags and never hit the civilians on the protected zone, but in the film they depict the japanese pilot with sub zero iq strafed the flags and hitting the civilians that are watching the battles, and theres part where this old man and the brits are firing their rifles toward the IJA in the end of the film, like the film literally ignores the entire point of why the zones exist in first place just to make some ''patriotic'' scenes where i found it just plotholes and cringe at it. You cannot slaps ''this is based on true events'' and then changes something just to fit to your agenda or views, while i can somewhat understand the japanese that are invading arent any better, it feels like they just make the japanese as cartoonish monster for the sake of making the audience more leaning toward the chinese.
I mean one of the movies dialogue scenes literally foreshadows Nanking... This movie didn't come close to showing off how truly brutal the Japanese troops were in reality and if anything, respectfully portrayed them as highly competent and honorable warriors which is not the Norm for most Chinese made slop.
There's a scene in Wolf Warrior II(another Chinese propaganda action movie) where the Main Character flies a Chinese flag using his arm while transporting a truck full of civilians as two African armies were fighting each other. However when they saw a truck with a Chinese flag on it, they stopped fighting and let them pass. I was like "WTF?" to me. Imagine they saw a truck with an American or UN flag, they will shoot at you. It makes America and the West look like "bad guys" while China as "good guys" to the African people. So yeah. Africa support China but hated the West like America, not knowing that China is stealing some economic profits that unstable the entire continent. 🤦
I very much doubt they capable of that. This movie's supposed villains is cartoonish as shit lmao 🤣. I would probably surrender if I hear another American speak like that lmao
The actual reason China intervened was to secure its northern border, so as to not have a Japan-style satellite state there. They didn't care that much about securing the Korean Revolution, but rather fought it in order to create a buffer between them and USA-controlled territory.
it was to defend China from foreign invasion. Ask the cubans about bay of pigs. And right a century old wrong committed by the US and many western powers, and it did end the Era of humiliation.
Decisive engagement series from the 1990s is the closest you will get to "Paradox map painting: The movie". Pretty fascinating if you are interested in the macro scale planning and carrying out of warfare and logistics tho. Doesnt hurt the movies are beautifully shot in the same way as classic epics.
The first time I went to visit my wife’s family in Chengdu we all sat down to watch the battle at chanjing together 😅 I kept laughing my ass off and the people around me didn’t seem understand why. I loved how the Americans were both cartoonishly goofy and sadistically cruel at the same time, I think a lot veterans I know would love to see more movies like this.
What did you say at the end of video on the line “what’s worse? State sponsored propaganda videos or box office profiting polls(?)-poles? To censorship?” That word is so indistinguishable to me as a listener and I hear “polls” which doesn’t make sense in sentence.
I've watched the Movie, 800 before. I didn't know it was supposed to be a CCP Propaganda movie, as it literally shows the flag of the Republic of China. Sad that it got censored over at China, but at least it's still watchable on UA-cam.
Gotta give it to em from my own conversations with Americans on this platform most are overconfident in their power against literally any big foe they have
It did but actually very self critical and a movie is more about honoring the Sihang defender rather than glorifying it. That's why I believe it 's a very few good Chinese film. It's def better than the Wolf Warrior bullshit and the actor who did Wolf Warrior that also started in the Korean War movie mentioned in the video
This movie like most Chinese modern movie is like Pennywise. It has cruel intention cloaking under the flag of patriotism which totally relate since US did the same bullshit but why I mention Pennywise cause they can't stick to its original intention, in this case as a historical movie. It's a historical movie filled with joke, fictional action move and cartoonish character that by God Why would it be in a t movie about a real event. It's like they afraid they aren't competent enough to make a good movie they gotta add a little bit of Marvel cheesy joke tropes just to make sure it work. It's a movie that can't decide what it truly is, like Pennywise
In the first movie you said it was cheesy when the Chinese are attacking a US base because of the sheer number of men but that's how it went down at the Chosin our men fired their 30Cal machine guns for so long the barrels turned red fircing men to pack snow on the barrel to keep fighting it's a big reason the M249 and M249B have interchangeable barrels that can be done mid firefight
The part about american soldiers saluting the frozen chinese was something that actually happened. It's pretty interesting to see it used in propaganda when jts supposed to make the us look bad, not sympathetic, but oh well
All this focus on accepting horrible human losses makes me think of Patton's opening, the point is to not die for your country but make the other poor sap die for his. Huge causalities is one thing when all they've got is minimal clothing and a rifle. It's an entirely different story when they are specialized and operating multi-million dollar vehicles in the war to come.
not gonna lie the russian actually have a pretty good english in this video, you can tell they are russians, but you can also tell they are trying their best
Probably because they don't give a shit if Americans watch it? Actual no one really gives a shit about Americans really...not even americans, good luck in civil war 2.0
The thing is, most Asian people react like that to iconic Western film's depiction of Asian characters. They sound goofy af and have wrong accents a lot of time, but we don't really notice.
Except that the US dose the same...only they use a one man army that somehow (plot armor and the power of his "guts" and "american patriotism") kills everyone by himself and they always miss him. Somehow now the Chinese movies don't look so unrealistic, do they?
@@lolasdm6959 not really. No other country in the world has made a fantasy about being invaded like Red Dawn. No other country claims complete moral authority while simultaniously invading literally every other country in the world. Red Dawn is the one that pisses me off the most. Maybe if they flipped it like to show "this is what it looks like to say Iraqis or Afghans or Vietnam when US invades and now the US has to face that from another power" it would be great commentary but the one time that happened with Homefront: Revolution, the game flopped.
@@jhonshephard921 in China, we literally had a fantasy of being nuked and invaded by both USSR and US. Just that our media didn’t have the freedom to portray it. I don’t think US invaded every other country, just the ones they thought they can easily pacify. Like they immediately realized they can’t easily defeat China on land. So they didn’t escalate in Korea, in Vietnam they heeded Chinese warning and didn’t occupy anything north of the midline.
Fun fact: the actor who played General MacArthur now has a social media account where he continues to be MacArthur in daily life lmao
😂
You can't just say that and not tell us what and where it is
LINK!!!!
@@jamesrosewell9081He goes by 麦克阿瑟MacArthur on Bilibili but I think he has other social media too
okay wheres this account lol, really wanna see it
7:31 the Corsair has five kill marks, clearly the Chinese film makers didn't know what these ment, because only one Corsair pilot became an ace in the Korean War, shooting down three La-11s and two Yaks. This guy is not Guy Bordelon, as he survived the war.
He could've served in WW2 as a pilot, a lot of people who fought in the Korean War initially were WW2 veterans.
@@kj_heichou They were red stars, if he was in WWII it would be rising suns. Also it would've only been on the plane that achieved those victories, and the Marine Corsairs in Korea were completely different machines to the ones used in WWII.
Remember that there is a scene where bombers drop their fuel tanks as bombs so filmmakers obviously got little to no info about how air force works xD
The depiction of MacArthur is fairly accurate from a Korean perspective,
Mainly the part where he’s fucking badass
Nah, mainly as how American he is🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
@@vincentxu4709it's the glasses
@@devinthierault Nah, it’s because he have oil🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
@@vincentxu4709Did somebody say oil? 🗣️🗣️🔥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🔥
We Africans enjoy Chinese propagandas as much as we like American propagandas too.
what's movie making like on your continent any big name movies or directors we might have heard of. I imagine it would be concentrated in like Nollywood, Egypt and south africa maybe?
@@AlexC-ou4ju save captain alex
@@AlexC-ou4ju Your right on it is concentrated mostly in those countries
Xi gave you lots a lot of free money, didn't he?
Indeed, in fact most people don't care about any propaganda, we only need some good movies.
For a propagande movie depicting the US as evil i think they did make them look kinda badass
Fuck yeah
'Murica, fuck yea
try not to make america look cool challenge.
@@ThorfinnSonofThors892
Coming here to save another FKing day yeah!
@@BruhTNT4258 *the motherfucking day
Is it weird that I like how the Americans was presented they all kinda seem bad ass in the end
Your enemy needs to be competent to elevate your victory over them.
Yeah we’re super badass 🦅🦅
@@justmae121nah just ass
@@lolasdm6959ur statement is pretty weird to me considering the fact that they were all based on real events.
So u r satiring them or complimenting them for how close to reality the movies are?
@@kienngo4601 the allied exaggerated Rummels feat for the same purpose. It shows that they can defeat a strong enemy
Speaking as an American who did theatre with dialect work in college, to be fair to the Russian actors in the first film, their American accents are quite good for being non-native speakers-better, in several cases, than the American accents in some older episodes of the British TV show Dr. Who. But the dialogue in the clips shown was indeed off just enough to be unintentionally funny. But to be fair, it was more than accurate enough for its primary audience-I certainly rarely detect inaccurate accents in languages other than English (excluding obvious examples like Brad Pitt’s Italian in a certain self-consciously over-the-top Tarantino flick set in WWII).
Yeah those Russians speak pretty much perfect English.
Accents weren't bad but the inflection and tone made it sound like a everyone was giving a dramatic speech instead of casual chit chat.
@@returnnull3476 not sure if that's just the style of acting that is preferred in Chinese cinema though, rather than a fault of the actors. Watch older American movies and the acting is very stylized.
Basically, it's grammatically correct with proper accents... but no one talks like that.
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It's funny how they wouldn't get Americans to act in their movie, while the French made a movie about Dien Bien Phu, you know the battle they lost, where the Viet Minh troops were played by actual actual NVA soldiers
That is amazing however politics maybe?
The Vietnamese are not a resentful bunch, to the it was horrible history but they won and that's that. The only ones they hate are the Chinese.
There are Americans in the movie, what are you talking about?
To be fair the accents arent too bad, sure some of them are kinda awkward with wierd dialogue but given it was Russians with chinese writers not bad
I find the dialogues to be quite witty and interesting at that. The ADR was recorded either by Westerners lving/working in China(White Mon**ys). Russians only did the acting part. Still, even though i vehemently oppose CCP propaganda, these movies hold together very well. They are mostly coherent and entertaining.
@TimberwolfMountaineer same I oppose the CCP but honestly this movie can stand on its own
Oh like hollywood can make something better. They have been messing up the accent of every russian and chinese in movies as well as their lanaguges.
@Silver_Prussian I believe you're misinterpreting my comment I'm saying they did a good job in doing an American accent. I'm not denigrating their efforts in at least trying. Believe me I am no fan of Hollywood hell they even mess up our own accents more times than you realize.
@@apeasant8550sorry I misread.
I remember that scene with arnold saying cocaine in russian, when he really just invented a new word there😂😂
Or how they made Drago from rocky act like a grunt with downs syndrome.
I loved the 800. Was even oddly suprised it was made in Communist China instead of Taiwan. A movie in which the Communist Chinese honor their former enemies of the Civil War
No, they did not. They censored a bunch of things in that movie.
We are talking about the Communists here. The Communists do not respect anybody
@@lord-of-the-shinobi-world You sound kinda brainwashed
@@jonpimberton
You mean, when i said "The Communists do not respect anybody"????
How is that "brainwashed"? Please tell me, because i lived with them long enough to know their bs. I would like to hear from you
@@lord-of-the-shinobi-world "Communists don't respect anybody" is a brainwashed statement. Lumping all of the "other" group together and dehumanizing them.
@@jonpimberton
That's it?
You have no idea what you're saying. I know the Communists' bs better than you, 100% certain.
The Communists are trash, no matter what country they are in, and this is a well known fact.
Unless you are too busy kissing their a****, then we have nothing to discuss
"Operation Red Sea"
Funny, because when China was called upon in real life to actually protect shipping and fight jihadist Pirates....they backed down. lol
Wasn’t there a incident where chinese UN Peacekeeper fled from a battle
Houthi never offended China in anyways, why join America and their masters at Tel Aviv to be their cannon Fodder?
@@KalashVodka175 I've heard about it too. Given how restrictive UN rules of engagements are; I would not be surprised they had to retreat.
It was in Sudan. The Chinese Peacekeeping was backed down, yes. By the order from UN peacekeeping commander. But you have to see the context. At that time, China has good relationship with North Sudan and South Sudan. They went there not become the enemy of one faction.
@@rogerc6533they were being actively fired upon. Any other UN unit would've fired back in self defense as that is the most basic and easy to understand RoE. The Chinese troops had to relay all decisions through Beijing
the 800 was a beautiful movie. Unlike most chinese war movies they actually portrayed the Japanese as a competent highly trained force and werent scared of showing the reality of war being that of a bloody place rather than a place where heroes were made.
the only thing I didn't like about that movie was there was a speech about one day having the chinese flag over mt fiji which is some pretty low level propaganda shit.
7:25 - Hilarious! Satisfying review of movies I was curious about. Good content. Keep this up @GnorriTV!
The second batle of Lake Changjin was actually rewritten to make the PVA take more losses. The officer of the actual mission actually survived to tell his story, it wasn't a high stakes fight to the last man battle. However, most Chinese war movies are about the collective sacrifice and effort. It was probably rewritten to to highlight that.
I know my real voice wasn't the prettiest. but god damn, did that Russian actor do me DIRTY with his line delivery.
Ok but why the hell is Macarthur's intro so fucking badass😅
The scenes with Americans is like movies from 80's Chinese movies that you don't understand and dubbed with awkward accent. When China make movies like The Great Leap and The Square of Tiannamen
Good video, its a shame that the quality of Assembly and that Sino-Vietnam war movie from the 80s highlighted the incompetence of Chinese strategies and high casualities has been replaced by sleek propoganda
Salokin? Crazy seeing you here
Chinese movies back then were actually made by real producers with real talents with actual stories to tell. Now any war movie coming out of China is some CGI filled action flick sponsored by the PLA to make themselves look better
Is it? In 1979, Vietnam had supplies provided by China before, military assistance from the Soviet Union, and soldiers were experienced who had fought against Americans. However, China's weapons and equipments were far less advanced than Vietnam's, difficulty in supply. Then, China destroyed the vast majority of Vietnam's industrial base, made its economy impossible to recover until today. But, the Chinese did not have enough military strength to consolidate the occupied areas due to the threat from the Soviet Union. The Chinese chose to withdraw from their territory, so both Vietnam and China claimed to be the victors of the war.
@@lolfang5725 China's weapons were not far less advanced than Vietnams, China did not destory much industrial base at all, look at the map.
It generally was not incompetence for anything before the Sino-Vietnam war. Chinese resources and capabilities for warfare were truly that awful. They made the best of what pathetic little they had. Its true sacrifice, heroism and underdog scrappiness.
The Sino-Vietnam was indeed out of touch incompetence. Many of the automatic weapons the Vietnamese had were donated by China to fight Americans yet the troops that invaded Vietnam were still armed with SKSes. They were Outgunned by their own proxy armed state. This was right after the cultural revolution so the entire nation essentially regressed for an entire decade. This embarrassing debacle lead to radical changes for the PLA and also deepened American military support to China; whose legacy is still apparent in Chinas current armed forces.
Also I love how the Americans feel like the steriotypes that you'd see in say Metal Gear.
Why do they always make the Americans look so Based damn
Cause it's China. They either very stupid or intentionally do this to piss us off with their cringey stereotype
If you're going to write in English, learn how.
It's pretty funny because when we protray nazis as evil today, actual nazis also think: Damn the nazis here are being so bad ass.
It's always a red flag when someone iterally identifies with exaggeratedly evil blood thirsty war maniacs.
@adamwsaxe No, it's the language the British speak. Thus it shall be basterdized. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@adamwsaxespoken like a true Chinese spy, how much social credit you receive?
To be honest about the Korean War, China didn't wanted to get involved at the beginning
yea well. you can blame MacArthur for forcing their hand lol
@@link4585 I can't believe people like Mac arthur are become a general.
@@GaionSputro i mean. Dude pushed NK so far back that it almost caused a war with China
@@link4585its basically have a meatshield to take the shots or become the meatshield, so yeah
@@link4585no we don’t need to blame Mac for “forcing chinas hand” if you actually read historical documents from Russian archives you know from Stalin and Mao’s correspondence he didn’t want to do SHIT in Korea or help KIS at first. He was forced to by Stalin to help. In 1950 he was preparing to eviscerate the last remnants of the KMT in Taiwan and was massing invasion forces. Korea kicks off and eventually Stalin and KIS force him to send the forces to Korea. He was not able to and Taiwan once and for all and the issue plagues China to this day
The 800 was not propaganda movie, it’s just a movie.
The 800 was "propaganda" from the beginning. At that time, there were only about 400 people in the temporary unit, and the actual fighting was not very intense. The media of the Kuomintang government at the time carried out a large amount of propaganda as a mobilization for war.
@@noahpeng1689The 800 was made in the mainland bro
Bro, all Chinese movies have to make Chinese rule by law well, it's obviously propaganda
@Merreyweder501 how is the eight hundred propaganda when the mainland made it even though the chinese are kuomintang? just wondering
Relatively realistic war movie in China: propaganda. Hyper unrealistic war movie in the US: actual documentaries
IMHO the accent of the russian actors playing as americans in the first movie seems good unlike the actors playing as russians in Rambo movies.
Glad to see you're back making videos, hope you're doing well.
3:00 I like that, as I'm pretty sure an Engineer would absolutely throw hands with G.I. Joe there.
Tbh as a Chinese the propaganda movie is kinda insulting even for the pla or as we call them volunteers. One of the worst scenes in my opinion was the frozen soldier scene which was treated as if it was a heroic act which triggered me. The whole point of the frozen soldier was to demonstrate just how poor the supply line and logistics of the pla were. This isn’t something to be proud about as some fucking asshole on top sent those men out just to froze to death without any proper clothing to give a moral debuff for the Americans. Just why? Again, the chosin river movie is outright just a misinformation propaganda movie that bends history and it’s one of the few times when the Americans were actually the good guys. Yet, this film presents the yanks as invaders. They were protecting South Korea and had no intention of invading China it’s all because of Stalin’s words and it fooled mao and Kim.
I would be happy for you to explain the Chinese view and what you think about it (I am not a spy.).
We made movies about us invading of other countries and masquerading it as patriotic, fight for freedom. But it's terrible when other countries makes war movies about being invaded and somehow that's a big no no because it had nationalism all in it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Have you ever seen a movie about Vietnam? It's that or us kick Nazi ass.
You meant that the Chinese were invaded in Korea? 🤣 Are you saying that Korea is part of China as well?
Yep. Also "nationalism" is the dirty word people throw at nations who fight for their independence and liberation. Was America "nationalist" when it rallied people under the banner of patriotism and fought against the British empire?
@@lynnjohnny01 It's all about how you spin it to the public. It's all just political games for those who sought to stay in power.
@@lynnjohnny01 Nationalism isn't always extreme. Viewing nationalism solely through its negative connotation is not comprehensive or fair. Most modern sovereign states are nation states formed through the common identity of the nation with nationalism. This healthy dose of common identity helps unite a people, create their unique culture, and give the people a sense of belonging. It's the extreme nationalism that starts to threaten other nations' liberty.
The Eight Hundred? That movie was no propaganda. The event was real. The Japanese forces actually had to retreat, and so did the Nationalist Army.
The fact that in real life, the Nationalist Flag was hung on that building of Sihang warehouse, was proof. Sure, it added some people at the end, but those things do not change the history.
The Communist really hate the fact the Nationalist Party was the one party that actually fought the Japanese forces, so for that movie Eight Hundred to be shown, meaning either the CCP is being messed up, or Taiwan is having some issues.
HAHA, this guy is probably Russian or from ex-Soviet country, if you really know their prespective on China and it's people it would be a impression of weakness. The weak man of Asia impression stuck more with them than in western countries of course he would think 800 Chinese troops defeating numerically surperior Japanese troops is a fictional event.
where to watch these movies?
@@RohitSharma-il2of
You just need to look up "Eight Hundred 2020" then u will have a bunch of sites to watch
No the CCP never disliked the NRA, they've always seen them as fellow Chinese and pay respect to them by making the 800 and many other WW2 movies set in during the 2nd Sino Japanese War, in the end they're just fellow Chinese forced to defend themselves against the invading IJA. Also many NRA troops defected to the PLA during the civil war which is why they're not as heavily antagonized as many outsiders think.
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The tau empire theme in the beginning!
3:12 "Sam Hill" is a 1950's esque (hence, fitting) euphemism for "hell"
Sam Hill is a southern and more polite way of saying, 'What the hell?' Yes, it's fairly common as a trope to show someone is southern in American media without just saying they're southern, and no, I don't know the etymology of the phrase and most people don't either.
They're gonna need to make it less cringe if they gonna complete with Western propaganda war movie.
Why is the dialogue so fucking meta 😂😂
"I haven't played hide and seek in a long time, and not on Christmas"
@@jamesrosewell9081I was like what the actual F*** 😂
5:34 bane posting moment
To be honest, I don’t mind these kinds of movies, considering they’re international films and I love international films
The multiple references they make to blowing up HQs or flags in Lake Changjin makes me think the PLA unironically thinks wars are fought like a conquest match in COH. Also love the little things like soldiers pointing forward when screaming out commands to fire,stupidly impossible or over the top things like someone getting unfrozen and regaining consciousness after being set on fire rather than dying or giving their enemy's frozen corpses an egojob complete with a rousing speech about their fighting spirit and skill while the camera pans over the faces of all the valorous soldiers cause it's shit you'd only see in bad Chinese propaganda war movies. I also love how they just love to potray the villains are overly barbaric,brutal,degenerate and corrupt people. Thanks i really needed to make sure the Americans were the bad ones,the scene with the stupid and unnescessary burning of corpses while dramatic inspirational music plays helped confirm. It's as if they think their audience is so dumb and lacks such capacity for self thought that they just need to point out who the bad ones really are in case someone questions what the party says happened and gets disillusioned. They hammer it in so hard in every movie they might as well put a red arrow pointing to the villains in every scene they're in
Settle down, Sonny Jim, they're only movies.
@@thehaguecantcatchme4692? I'm just stating my opinion on them. Also yes while they are films,in mainland China some people take these as clear cut portrayals of what actually happened in the war. Only slightly dramatized by the fact it's a movie. And falsely portraying history just to make yourself look better is one of the most dangerous things you could do to your own people. Sure now it's just the world laughing at how bad these movies are and how over the top and ridiculous they are. But who knows what other consequences such false portrayals will have in a country such as China if they ramp up their censorship and try to view their version of history as the only real thing
@@vito7428 Settle down, Sonny Jim, it is only a UA-cam comment.
"I also love how they just love to potray the villains are overly barbaric,brutal,degenerate and corrupt people" so every American made war movie ever? These kind of movies is what the west watched regularly since WW2. this kind of stuff is expected out of these kind of generic war movies, so getting worked up over it is pointless
@@mw00295 Older WW2 movies maybe. But modern era western ones tend to be a bit less cartoonish. At least most aren't showing the Germans like they're cartoon characters who only speak English with a German accent. Also again yes it is to be expected with such productions but the trouble with it is the implications. I mean we still have boomers born after WW2 who think WW2 is this rose tinted glasses romp to victory rather than the huge tragedy it is. Also i'm talking about modern WW2 movies. If we're talking about vintage war movies,Chinese movies from the 80s had far more depth than American movies where some action hero just blows up a vaguely Communist country then saves the day world after he burns down everything. Chinese movies used to actually have real stories to tell,not some cheap propaganda flick to spin history around. The West has somewhat moved on from showing the Nazis as these overly brutal war monsters who only wake up to cause trouble every day
my Grandfather, may God rest his soul, was a US Marine who served in the Korean war. I wish he was still here so I can ask him if he ever played Hide-N-Seek, then he could tell me "Certainly not at Christmas". 100000/10, SUPER realistic in the portrayal of US soldiers in war. It was just...like...that!
There were also other Chinese propaganda films such as My War and the Chinese sniper guy both Korean War and Towards the Glorious River about the Chinese Civil War where the Reds successfully crossed the Yangtze to dfeat the KMT in the south
Tbh the “Towards the Glorious river” isn’t a propaganda if the KMT were humiliated by the Communists so bad, like look at “The Huaihai campaign”, that battle was brutal and humiliating
Also the “Chinese sniper” is based on a person, 1 person is about how they fought, not made up
Also “My war” is from the start of the Korean war(probably) and the Chinese pushed the UN forces back to the 38th parallel
The fact the video is 19:49 minutes long and this is about china💀🗿
The Eight Hundred is actually a very well made movie, not a propaganda movie.
i have somewhat lovehate relationship toward ''The Eight Hundred'' film, the film is amazing and they went as far to dedicate themself to make this whole setting believable, tons of 88th division equipment and alongside the IJA equipment as well, its definitely passionate project, however the problem with the film is that they tries to emphasize that it based on true story while some of parts of the film is definitely dramatized to the point they start making too patriotic and makes japan looks worst in the film.
For examples the japanese plane in reality only strafed the flags and never hit the civilians on the protected zone, but in the film they depict the japanese pilot with sub zero iq strafed the flags and hitting the civilians that are watching the battles, and theres part where this old man and the brits are firing their rifles toward the IJA in the end of the film, like the film literally ignores the entire point of why the zones exist in first place just to make some ''patriotic'' scenes where i found it just plotholes and cringe at it. You cannot slaps ''this is based on true events'' and then changes something just to fit to your agenda or views, while i can somewhat understand the japanese that are invading arent any better, it feels like they just make the japanese as cartoonish monster for the sake of making the audience more leaning toward the chinese.
I mean one of the movies dialogue scenes literally foreshadows Nanking... This movie didn't come close to showing off how truly brutal the Japanese troops were in reality and if anything, respectfully portrayed them as highly competent and honorable warriors which is not the Norm for most Chinese made slop.
in fairness, MacArthur basically had a nervous breakdown and was in complete denial about what was going on when the Chinese entered the Korean war
There's a scene in Wolf Warrior II(another Chinese propaganda action movie) where the Main Character flies a Chinese flag using his arm while transporting a truck full of civilians as two African armies were fighting each other. However when they saw a truck with a Chinese flag on it, they stopped fighting and let them pass. I was like "WTF?" to me. Imagine they saw a truck with an American or UN flag, they will shoot at you. It makes America and the West look like "bad guys" while China as "good guys" to the African people.
So yeah. Africa support China but hated the West like America, not knowing that China is stealing some economic profits that unstable the entire continent. 🤦
So when West does capitalism stablizes continent but when China does it the continent spontenously explode?
You think you’re a saint? Get out of here Western lover
Imagine making a movie that implies that you are proud that your country is the reason that North Korea exists lmao
I very much doubt they capable of that. This movie's supposed villains is cartoonish as shit lmao 🤣. I would probably surrender if I hear another American speak like that lmao
North Korea used to be better than the South, both were silly dictatorships until pretty recently.
The actual reason China intervened was to secure its northern border, so as to not have a Japan-style satellite state there. They didn't care that much about securing the Korean Revolution, but rather fought it in order to create a buffer between them and USA-controlled territory.
it was to defend China from foreign invasion.
Ask the cubans about bay of pigs.
And right a century old wrong committed by the US and many western powers, and it did end the Era of humiliation.
@@SiriProject You're wasting your understanding here.
Decisive engagement series from the 1990s is the closest you will get to "Paradox map painting: The movie". Pretty fascinating if you are interested in the macro scale planning and carrying out of warfare and logistics tho.
Doesnt hurt the movies are beautifully shot in the same way as classic epics.
😂 3:12 “who in sam hell” sounds like something Americans would 100% say
I did not expect the Tau theme song to be used
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The first time I went to visit my wife’s family in Chengdu we all sat down to watch the battle at chanjing together 😅 I kept laughing my ass off and the people around me didn’t seem understand why. I loved how the Americans were both cartoonishly goofy and sadistically cruel at the same time, I think a lot veterans I know would love to see more movies like this.
3:54 most american tanks, especially shermans in chinese movies are actually real ones captured either in the civil war or in korea.
The ones in Lake Changjing are fully scratch built replicas. There should be videos somewhere on YT. The real ones should be treasured in museums.
For a country thats not really into showing death...These movies are hella gory lol
Be as cool as the Chinese think we are
China shouldn't start with C it should start with L
What did you say at the end of video on the line “what’s worse? State sponsored propaganda videos or box office profiting polls(?)-poles? To censorship?” That word is so indistinguishable to me as a listener and I hear “polls” which doesn’t make sense in sentence.
I've watched the Movie, 800 before. I didn't know it was supposed to be a CCP Propaganda movie, as it literally shows the flag of the Republic of China.
Sad that it got censored over at China, but at least it's still watchable on UA-cam.
The voice acting reminds me of European RTS games from the early 2000s and late 90s
Gotta give it to em from my own conversations with Americans on this platform most are overconfident in their power against literally any big foe they have
Imagine Crossover between "The Battle At Lake Chanjing" & "Taegukgi"
The eight hundred isn't really that patriotic as it may seem
It did but actually very self critical and a movie is more about honoring the Sihang defender rather than glorifying it. That's why I believe it 's a very few good Chinese film. It's def better than the Wolf Warrior bullshit and the actor who did Wolf Warrior that also started in the Korean War movie mentioned in the video
It's a strong anti-war movie, and as an anti-war movie, it really succeeds.
It is patriotic. KMT are still Chinese.
To be fair, the American bombing campaign during the Korean War (1950-1953) was cataclysmic. It did have a military purpose but it was brutal.
This movie like most Chinese modern movie is like Pennywise. It has cruel intention cloaking under the flag of patriotism which totally relate since US did the same bullshit but why I mention Pennywise cause they can't stick to its original intention, in this case as a historical movie. It's a historical movie filled with joke, fictional action move and cartoonish character that by God Why would it be in a t movie about a real event. It's like they afraid they aren't competent enough to make a good movie they gotta add a little bit of Marvel cheesy joke tropes just to make sure it work. It's a movie that can't decide what it truly is, like Pennywise
Le same sides bro
Try to review "Youth"
Its quite peculiar scene where the propaganda, im not sure, but quite on the opposite sides
Didn't the Puerto Rican brigade beat them in battles?
Only a few
weeeeell, Down of War Tau soundtrack hits veeeery well...
4:58 wow those video game Graphics are so good
Get it because it sounds like a video game
Why are there Tau music
Vaguely oriental
In the first movie you said it was cheesy when the Chinese are attacking a US base because of the sheer number of men but that's how it went down at the Chosin our men fired their 30Cal machine guns for so long the barrels turned red fircing men to pack snow on the barrel to keep fighting it's a big reason the M249 and M249B have interchangeable barrels that can be done mid firefight
Who in Sam Hill are you?!
just so hillarious to watch tbh, lucky that I've never watched single one of that film in my life
I watched most of this movies from Islamic Republic's tv (iran) with awful dub
The accents of the Russian when speaking american while wearing us military uniform made me 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀☠️
How did you watch the Battle at Lake Changjing movies? I've been looking for them forever and havent been able to find them.
torrent
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Torrent downloading site + qBittorrent
MacArthur wore too big peak hat on his head.. that is totally funny 😅
plz review "Decisive Engagement(大决战)"series and "Wreaths at the Foot of the Mountain(高山下的花环)". It was both epic
The part about american soldiers saluting the frozen chinese was something that actually happened. It's pretty interesting to see it used in propaganda when jts supposed to make the us look bad, not sympathetic, but oh well
these movies make flower hill look like its up for interpretation
That last clip made watching to the very end, completely worth it.
All this focus on accepting horrible human losses makes me think of Patton's opening, the point is to not die for your country but make the other poor sap die for his. Huge causalities is one thing when all they've got is minimal clothing and a rifle. It's an entirely different story when they are specialized and operating multi-million dollar vehicles in the war to come.
not gonna lie the russian actually have a pretty good english in this video, you can tell they are russians, but you can also tell they are trying their best
This movie looks like what american movies are portrait in parodies, like Scary Movie or sum
katana zero mentioned, what the fuck is a rehab?!?!?!?!!!
Hiring Russians to play Americans is actually such a w
Well.Rambo and Black Hawk Down also propaganda.
Have you review the taiwan war movies yet
"DAMN YOU JACK SPARROW!"
-China problably
i like how Wu Jing is in most of them
Funny how they’re quite like the American movies
0:35 I don’t know how I feel about you yet. You make interesting points, yet can’t be bothered to pay for stock images. Bit of a hypocrisy.
I've never cringe so hard to the point of laughing hysterically due to the acting depictions of Americans
😂😂😂
Probably because they don't give a shit if Americans watch it? Actual no one really gives a shit about Americans really...not even americans, good luck in civil war 2.0
The thing is, most Asian people react like that to iconic Western film's depiction of Asian characters. They sound goofy af and have wrong accents a lot of time, but we don't really notice.
Want to see an egg fried rice sean.
Philippines kicked Chinese butt in Battle of Yultong were less than 1k Filipinos defeat 40k Chinese.
I was truly hoping to turn the 1.99k subs to 2k subs but i failed
Got to credit the Russian actors tho, they did a fine job copying our mannerisms. Probably the best actors in the whole film.
I like how the qin qian hang qi gets increasingly cursed
Every countries does it bro whats ur point?
"merry your mother Christmas" lol
Thought my phone died wtf
Except that the US dose the same...only they use a one man army that somehow (plot armor and the power of his "guts" and "american patriotism") kills everyone by himself and they always miss him.
Somehow now the Chinese movies don't look so unrealistic, do they?
everyone does the same....
@@Nick-ky8pd There isn't a country on earth more shameless than Americans.
@@lolasdm6959 not really. No other country in the world has made a fantasy about being invaded like Red Dawn. No other country claims complete moral authority while simultaniously invading literally every other country in the world. Red Dawn is the one that pisses me off the most. Maybe if they flipped it like to show "this is what it looks like to say Iraqis or Afghans or Vietnam when US invades and now the US has to face that from another power" it would be great commentary but the one time that happened with Homefront: Revolution, the game flopped.
@@jhonshephard921 in China, we literally had a fantasy of being nuked and invaded by both USSR and US. Just that our media didn’t have the freedom to portray it.
I don’t think US invaded every other country, just the ones they thought they can easily pacify. Like they immediately realized they can’t easily defeat China on land. So they didn’t escalate in Korea, in Vietnam they heeded Chinese warning and didn’t occupy anything north of the midline.
@@jhonshephard921 Exactly my point.
What’s your accent?
A propaganda video about propaganda movies