Seems correct almost everything, but the main reason humans are actually able to stand a chance against the nightmare creatures is the nightmare spell really, acording to the novel the nightmare spell gave humans all the aspects, the memories and even hurried the process to understand those adquiered powers, I think than before considering all humans as beast there should be a previous meassurement of the aspects each human has
While the point system is useful to comparing Nightmare Creatures, it doesn't apply to humans at all. Three Masters can't beat a Saint - at minimum, it would take 50. Mind, this is partly because of other force multipliers you mentioned - Memories, Attributes, and techniques.
Well, I did say that in the video.. I said, The Power Scale can be used for comparing Nightmare Creatures to Nightmare creature.. Humans don't fit into it.. Their Power Scale is solely based on Ranks. Thankyou for your comment.
@@garysteinfield4623 Sunny, Nephis and Mordret are not 'One Person' bro 😂💯.. Still, It would be Dire Fang's Honor to be killed by not One but Three Divine Aspect Users.
tbh i think the differences between the ranks should be higher, there is no way 12 sleepers could kill a saint, and the sovereign sunny killed on the tomb of ariel wasnt just weakened, it was straight up one foot in the grave. its mentioned later in the novel that daeron's pinnacle power level wasn't even remotely close to what he was like when sunny killed him. If i made a list of the ranks i would make it as follows: Sleeper: 10 points Awakened: 100 points Ascended: 1000 points Transcendent: 12000 points Supreme: 200000 points Sacred: above 3M points Divine: above 100M points (g3 said that an unholy beast can singlehandedly eat the moon, also, the tomb of ariel, which was made out of the corpse of an unholy titan, was straight up comparable to the size of the solar system)
thats.. More like it 💥🔥🔥🔥 but, It is only for humans... Nightmare creatures have more cores, hence their 'class' matters.. Corrupted Terror is more dangerous than a Mindless Great Beast ! Sunny can kill Great beast in a one strike, but he has to use all his weapons to kill Corrupted terrors... Not to mention, Corrupted Titan is atleast 5x stronger than a Great Beast !!
You can't undermine the true strength of a Supreme rank. It was mentioned that Sunny barely survived his battle against the Serpent King, and the only reason he managed to do so was because the Great Beast was already on verge of dying after many straining battles against other Great Beast and Great Monsters. Later, Sunny admitted himself upon seeing Twilight that Serpent King's power was only a small fraction of the former Daeron's power at his peak.
Yes.. , It is not said that, The Class of Monsters is more important than the Rank in Nightmare Creatures.. While in Humans, The Rank decides the Power Level..
Thank goddess for this video .. I've been a fan reading the newest chapters for years now and I've pretty much given up on understanding the Monster power system lol
@@timbuckley321 Thankyou for watching it 🥂 But, I got to tell you.. there is a little mistake in it.. It isn't perfect yet.. I will soon upload new updates version 🤝🙋
@@ajustarcorp Oh I realize that it isn't perfect but it's definitely helpful when visualizing the matchups.. also... it's obvious that Authors sometimes bend their own rules for dramatic purposes. So, it's all good
Well you are right about that , i was really confused why sunny can't win against higher level humans despite having multiple cores....well i guess nightmares are just inherently built different , there durability weight class are on another level ..
The table for the ranks are a bit of an iffy indicator of power for nightmares, I think they seriously underplay the difference in ranks even amongst lower class nightmares, like how the great beast is the equivalent of a fallen demon yet a saint got severely injured fighting one
I think you meant corrupted demon. Because a fallen demon is something masters can deal with and a saint would smoke. If your refering to the saint who faught winter beast, winter beast was a corrupted titan, titans are... Unique to say the least in the classes. But the reason a corrupted demon would give a saint more trouble than a great monster is how the classes function. A great beast has a lot more raw power than a corrupted demon, but it's just that, a beast. Beasts are more or less mindless while demons posses intelligence. It's how, among other reasons, saint was able to survive and encounter with nightmare creatures a whole rank above her.
@@MurphyTheLaw I said specifically regarding the table that shows the relationship between beast of different class and ranks, according to the table the great beast is the equivalent of the falllen demon but according to the novel they put far more respect onto great beasts, as the ranks get higher the difference between them gets more significant so I think the table that he showed really downplays the difference in ranks, not to mention the way the novel regards titans of any class
@@ajustarcorp They have wills but a corrupted titan will can be matched with transcended human despite being a beast since they are on same rank it's like how sunny mentioned in his fight with winter beast that even though a nuclear bomb can do same destruction but it won't do any damage to higher rank creatures but the sword of an awakened can despite doing relatively low damage and there is another thing also humans get different abilities as they move through ranks but nightmare creatures get abilities as they move through classes like demons are simply intelligent creatures while devil's also has a profane ability and then tyrants get authority and so on .
Ok so I am writting this comment as I am watching the video, so I will go by buller points : - Great video, nice an slow explanation, love it! It's always great to see more Shadow Slave content! - During your presentation of the ranks and classes, you say that the really power difference between NCs is in their class, not their rank. I disagree with this interpretation, the power difference between a Corrupted Devil and a Great Devil is more important than the difference between a Corrupted Devil and a Corrupted Tyrant in my opinion. I think a good exemple would be the Fall of Falcon Scott, where Goliath, although seemingly more destructive than the Terror of LO49, is probably weaker than the latter, and one is a Fallen Titan, where one is a Corrupted Terror (but this exemple is not the best, considering that Goliath has all of his powers focused on destructive power and resistance, while the Terror of LO49 is fully focused on a mind hex...). - I really like the numbers you gave to the human ranks! feel like it is a really good reflection of the power difference that exist between each ranks! (I have no idea what we can expect for Sacred and Divine, so I cannot give any opinion on your speculation, these numbers are huge tho!). I believe that you may be scaling Divine a little too high in destructive power tho, as we know that Gods and Daemons are probably beings above the divine, and the Shadow Slave verse probably does not scale super high in termes of sheer fire power. I think the difference between Supreme and Sacred & Sacred and Divine will probably focus on concept manipulation more than sheer destructive power, which you illustrated really well when talking about the gap between supreme and sacred. (The concept manipulation is also shown by the Vile Thieving Bird Cutting Sunny's strings of fate) - Ok so the numbers you used corrected your first point where you said that the main power difference between NC came from their classes and not their ranks, nice! - Final point, I think that the numbers hold true when considering lower class/rank NC and humans, but cannot really be applied to higher beings, some creatures have powers that naturally hold an advantage against others, sometimes invalidating the numbers I think. Really liked the video tho! See this comment as me nitpicking bro! I hope to see more Shadow Slave content from you mate! Thanks a lot!
@@Bananeotaku Thank you so much for this comment Boss.. ( I make videos more such things ❤️) Also, Yeah.. I feel like Shadow Slave needs more UA-cam content this one video.. I am really trying to come up with more content! (Wish me luck ) Please do look forward to it.. And Lastly.. This Power Scale has so many 'flaws', as you might have seen.. Great Beast vs Corrupted Devil.. It doesn't match up.. Great Beast is way stronger.. we really need more info for it to be corrected.. maybe the upcoming war will show us what Great and Cursed creatures can do.. Until then I'm trying to comeup with more revised and absolute power scale.. Thanks for sharing your view.. 💯🥂
I don't think he over scaling the divine classes. Considering the vile thieving bird, a cursed terror was Abel to pull the strings of fate right off sunny and sneak past a gaurdian of ariel. And considering how the power gap between ranks grows much larger with each rank. And also with knowing that a cursed being has a massive influence on the world(in nephis and sunny's fight with a cursed demon). It would make sense for a unholy NC to be very destructive
Here’s my thought on the class difference with divine aspect holders It isn’t multiplicative but additive Beast sunny is 10 so as a monster he would get another core which is 10 so 20 as a demon he’s gets another core making him 30 and as the class goes up the only physical strength boost as a titan he would get is 70 but his essence pool is unspeakably large due to being a titan Also the Vile Thieving bird was a special nightmare creature just like ravenous fiend and Stone saint who shouldn’t be able to kill stuff with higher rank and class than her
9:40, this comparison seems a little off, from the beast+ rank the diffrence is ranks get exponential, and a cursed being is a demigod so in my opinion a cursed beast can easily take on 5 corrupted titans
I’m listening to your video and I’ll have to correct you on something at 5:00 about the weakened supreme Daeron Daeron was equivalent to a great monster, he isn’t a weakened supreme but a supreme without a domain Nephis said a new born supreme is basically a very powerful saint, but what makes a supreme truly cataclysmic is how developed their domain is, if someone like neph became a new supreme by doing a nightmare she would be instantly killed by any of the other supremes due to the amount of power one gains from holding a domain So daeron would be considered a new born supreme in power in other words inconsequentially powerful saint which was nephis exact words Just giving info where it’s needed ^^
Bro you are right but you forget something that is Awakened absorbing soul fragments to increase core capacity they can absorb 1000 fragments That's means the humans Awakened fully saturated core power 10× of Awakened beast It means morgan and sunny fight morgan core is fully saturated the calculation is Ascended=40 fully saturated core=10 Beast=10 Morgan total points=(40×10)×10= 4000 Sunny Awakened-Demon total points= 3200
Yes bro you are right when sunny become a saint. Sunny told us the Transcendent ranks is equal of a demigod. when sunny and Nephis fight against saint dire fang at that time sunny is just a Devil and Nephis is a Tyrant and the combined powers is equal of 10 Ascended and saint dire fang is the weak than other saint that's means a Transcendent is ×10 stronger than any Ascended It's means Fallen=40 Corrupted=40×10=400 Titan=196000 Great=400×10=4000 Titan=1960000 Cursed=4000×10=40000 Titan=19600000 Unholy strength unknown it because first three are physical stronger but Corrupted Great Cursed this three ranks are not only physical stronger but supernatural power so Unholy ranks is a Fallengod so it's power will be more than 10× powerful any other ranks
@pritammitra5242 No even when sunny was 10x stronger, Dire fang was still faster and stronger then him, they just got an opening, they literally won by luck.
I'm big fan CN novels until now Lord of the Mysteries number one power scaling system, maybe I will read Shadow slave after finished the god of fishing.
I think we need to factor Aspects for humans, this is also a huge part of why they are able to fight Nightmare creatures. Aspect also scale with ranks. And although from devil onwards Nightmare creatures get powers, it's still not comparable to Aspects (at least until they get to Terrors). Also Sunny, Nephis and Mordret are able to fight against some higher ranks, just not all of them. Like Morgan is a top tier warrior not your run of the mill dreamer, not even your run of the mill legacy. And on multiple occasions, Sunny, Nephis and Mordret have beaten humans from higher ranks As for recently, since the only Supremes are all top tier warrior and the gap between ranks grows larger making it hard for the cores to bridge that gap then yes you could say that human ranks are absolute
True.. But, Aspects come various different types and also the user is very responsible for how they use it.. Like Kai has the Crowd Control ability but he rarely uses it in battlefield.. So making a comparison table for aspects would be so hard and unreal
@@ajustarcorp Yes agreed, in fact there are supposedly support based Aspects like blacksmith oriented (although WE only heard of them). I think your approach was very pragmatic even though it's hard to truly make a power evaluation
It is true.. but that doesn't mean NMC don't use variety of Power.. Demons and Higher class beings have hundreds of abilities.. We can call it their aspect.. Nightmare Creatures don't gain much power from ranks.. they gain power from their class and num of cores.. a Awakened Tyrant has more abilities than Ascended Demon..
it's logic but kinda wrong like a corrupted monster has 4,800 while a great beast only 3,600 but sunny as a master could kill 10 corrupted monster easly but he would have an almost impossible fight with a great beast; there should be much more difference between higher ranks
Hey i like the vid i just disagree with the multipliers that you are using when it comes to rank and class Ps the reason why humans can fight nc of higher ranks is because nc's are insane and humans are more strategic but they make up for it in class
@@kacyonnexus180 yes... Nightmare creatures are insane but not all of them... Only at the Class Demon.. A devil is as intelligent as a Human.. Tyrants and Terrors, etc are way more strategic than Average Humans.. Sunny mentioned it quite often that Fighting N.C of Class Devil is like fighting a Human..
@@ajustarcorptrue true that was an oversight on my part But I still disagree with the multipliers because even Jet said that the gap between an awaken and an ascended is not as large as an ascended and a transcended so the multipliers would be off Still love the vid btw not alot of SS content on UA-cam so this was amazing to see
@@kacyonnexus180 Yeah.. I fumbled it up.. I actually should have seen verified it.. As you can see a Great Beast is way stronger than Corrupted Devil or Tyrant.. Still, I gave it low points. I am working on it.. but I don't know how to approach it.. Well, Thankyou for your comment 💯 I will try to make content around SS and other novels 💯 Please do share, on which topic you would like the video 🪴❤️
This video works as a great basic summary of the power system but it is completely missing one core aspect (quite literally) of the power system-Aspects. Humans, while not having classes, do have Aspects (something that NCs dont have). That is the main reason why Humans can fight nightmare creatures of higher classes. You fail to account for the Aspects of humans and the ranks of the aspects. Aspects aren't just divided into "normal" and "divine". Rather, each aspect has a rank, from sleeper to divine. It's just that divine aspects are rather special. But there is still a huge difference between, for example, an ascended aspect and a sacred aspect. If you assigned to aspects the same points as classes, all of a sudden it would start making a bit of sense why humans are able to fight such high-class NCs and it would be able to be shown numerically. Of course, humans have other advantages. For example, every human has an inherent advantage against NCs lower than devil class (it is only at devil that NCs become as intelligent as humans, so before that they are quite dumb). Humans are also able to easily increase their power even without increasing their rank through training,having better Memories,having their Soul Core filled,being more skilled, more scheming, and the like. Of course there also for example Aspects or memories that counter or get counter by other aspects/memories/NCs but that starts becoming a bit too complex and unneeded for a basic explanation of the power system.
@@slav7571 Yeah.. Aspects are divided in Utility and Fighting... so it does help.. But, in my opinion Aspect Ranks don't really matter in Human Comparisons too... Even if an Divine Aspect User like Sunny is a Master.. He can cannot defeat a Dormant/ Ascensed Aspect User, Saint Tyris or Any Saint (Yeah he can stand and fight them but not win).. Divine Rank Awakened Sunny cannot even defeat Master Morgan (he got killed in like 20 seconds) .. So, Ranks like Awakened, Ascended, Transcendent are the only means of comparison in Humans. Tell me a Name of any random Master with any aspect who can kill a Saint and tell me the Saint name too.. How will he kill and where. I think there is nobody ... (Don't include Nephis, Sunny or Mordret they are heavily Plot armoured and Got Divine Lineage and peak Titanic class powers)
But this lead me a question as to why Mimic who was a fallen devil was running away from the wormvine who was a corrupted monster. Your charts says corrupted monster is 4800 while fallen devil is 6400. So a mimic should be able to handle a wormvine. Unless the wormvine are more dangerous because the novels says it has a ability to attack and eat souls. Perhaps the mimic can’t counter that.
@@themightyspartan1012 You made a point there.. the chart has some mistakes and I will correct them soon.. As you can see.. A Great Beast not equal to Corrupted Monster or devil.. he should be equal to a Corrupted Tyrant or a Terror..
@@MazDaDifference I’m not talking humans bro. I talk about nightmare creature who has classes are that can benefits them. A Fallen Titan for example has power equivalent to a corrupted devil-tyrant. While Ranks as it goes higher increase their gaps. Them it also applies to those classes as well.
@themightyspartan1012 Yes I'm talking about nightmare creatures, the gap between fallen and corrupted is too big that's why the mimic couldn't beat the worm vine even the it was higher in class as a devil.
@@MazDaDifference perhaps. But from what I understand once the NC pass to a terror class. It increase their power scale. Not by much but enough. Like a Fallen Titan is equivalent to a corrupted tyrant. Which by the way I didn’t made up. G3 said that on his discord. But I’m not so sure how much power can classes benefit those NC the higher rank they go. Like can a cursed titan able to defeat an unholy beast. That I don’t know.
Bro i'm sorry but that doesn't cut it, we saw sunny beat up corr. Devils before he got bullied by goliath, fallen titans are relative to corrupted tyrant not just a bit above devil
@@AeroliteSR Well, We didn't go into Aspects.. but as long as theat Sacred Titan got some crazy powers like Fate Snatching, Time Or Space control.. A scared Titan should become a trouble for a Divine Beast atleast..
This scale is quite arbitrary to say the least but what proves it wrong for sure is that there are many end statements and assumtions taken here that are not true. As in a divine/unholy creature does not compare to any god ie. unholy/divine titan
Yeah.. The chart is little flawed.. i am trying to comeup with new one... Sleeper aka Dreamer is a rank name buddy.. Tell me the first rank name then..? it is the rank you get after your first nightmare.. (thats the reason Awakened is second rank, ascended is third, etc upto rank 7 Divine) they can receive memories and echoes.. So they are stronger than dormant humans.. for example.. as a sleeper sunny killed a Great Devil VTB spawn egg and received Blood Weave..
@@ajustarcorp Normal humans are not dormant, it's just like a normal animal is not a dormant nightmare creature. In the awakening process without the spell they can't make a soul core before they awaken, so it's the spell's thing that humans get dormant rank per se. You could say that the state of being enhanced by essence(through killing/absorbing) before awakening represents dormant rank without the nightmare spell.
@@tajemniczywasacz nah.. all normal humans are referred as Dormant.. There are Nightmare Creature which are dormant Beast,devil, etc.. they have no powers just physically strong.. in Sunny's 1st Nightmare trial.. he kills 3 dormant humans.. they were normal... We don't know about animals.. like dogs, cat, tiger.. we haven't seen any animal in SS.. have we ?
@@ajustarcorp What do you mean dormant nightmare creatures have no powers? How can they have cores and no powers? Be devils yet no powers? That directly contradicts what is said in the novel. Well, back to your first statement it's actually not true-not once do we have a pov of a mundane human from earth being killed and nightmare spell calling them dormant. And even if they were dormant that wouldn't make dreamer not to even mention sleeper an actual valid rank. We may not have directly seen any animal but they were mentioned a lot ie. cows in the farm, birds in the city, cats and dogs as pets etc. and overall are/were present in the setting and they sure were not said to have bullet-resistant properties of dormant nightmare creatures who are coincidentally responsible for "taking over the world" during the descent of the nightmare spell.
ummm not true any human who has killed enough monsters and who have taken in the Core of those monsters can get more cores there no need to be Divine. Divine just means your base power may be stronger in some way.
Brother.. I think you are confusing soul fragments to soul cores.. Humans have only one Core.. So they are always beasts. Divine aspect Holders like Sunny, Nephis, Mordret have multiple cores.. So they become monster, demon, devil, etc.. thats the reason sunny is Transcendant Terror right now.. while Anvil is a Supreme Beast.
@@lumuabaasi3896 Yeah... He can defeat an Ascended Human with a Minor Aspect, like an Ascended Tailor or Carpenter.. But, Awakened Sunny cannot defeat an Ascended Warrior with a Fighting Capability.. Same with Master Sunny, he was not even comparable to Fighting a Saint like Tyris or Direfang... Saint Sunny cannot defeat Sovereign Anvil who has only one Core !!
I think the jump from demon to devil is higher cause a devil has much higher intelligence comparable to a human
But tyrant is a king class and can therefore create and command beasts a rank lower than it making it muuuuucchhh stronger
Seems correct almost everything, but the main reason humans are actually able to stand a chance against the nightmare creatures is the nightmare spell really, acording to the novel the nightmare spell gave humans all the aspects, the memories and even hurried the process to understand those adquiered powers, I think than before considering all humans as beast there should be a previous meassurement of the aspects each human has
it doesn't give Aspects but yes it is carrying humans with Memories and whatnot
While the point system is useful to comparing Nightmare Creatures, it doesn't apply to humans at all. Three Masters can't beat a Saint - at minimum, it would take 50. Mind, this is partly because of other force multipliers you mentioned - Memories, Attributes, and techniques.
Well, I did say that in the video.. I said, The Power Scale can be used for comparing Nightmare Creatures to Nightmare creature.. Humans don't fit into it.. Their Power Scale is solely based on Ranks. Thankyou for your comment.
If mordret, sunny and nephis jumped dire fang, each at full power as masters, they would win
@@garysteinfield4623 Sunny, Nephis and Mordret are not 'One Person' bro 😂💯.. Still, It would be Dire Fang's Honor to be killed by not One but Three Divine Aspect Users.
Unless if it’s Jet. From what I heard, even Saints are weary of her.
@@themightyspartan1012they are weary of her not because she is as strong as them but because she can deal permanent damage
tbh i think the differences between the ranks should be higher, there is no way 12 sleepers could kill a saint, and the sovereign sunny killed on the tomb of ariel wasnt just weakened, it was straight up one foot in the grave. its mentioned later in the novel that daeron's pinnacle power level wasn't even remotely close to what he was like when sunny killed him. If i made a list of the ranks i would make it as follows:
Sleeper: 10 points
Awakened: 100 points
Ascended: 1000 points
Transcendent: 12000 points
Supreme: 200000 points
Sacred: above 3M points
Divine: above 100M points (g3 said that an unholy beast can singlehandedly eat the moon, also, the tomb of ariel, which was made out of the corpse of an unholy titan, was straight up comparable to the size of the solar system)
thats.. More like it 💥🔥🔥🔥 but, It is only for humans... Nightmare creatures have more cores, hence their 'class' matters.. Corrupted Terror is more dangerous than a Mindless Great Beast ! Sunny can kill Great beast in a one strike, but he has to use all his weapons to kill Corrupted terrors... Not to mention, Corrupted Titan is atleast 5x stronger than a Great Beast !!
You can't undermine the true strength of a Supreme rank. It was mentioned that Sunny barely survived his battle against the Serpent King, and the only reason he managed to do so was because the Great Beast was already on verge of dying after many straining battles against other Great Beast and Great Monsters. Later, Sunny admitted himself upon seeing Twilight that Serpent King's power was only a small fraction of the former Daeron's power at his peak.
Yes.. , It is not said that, The Class of Monsters is more important than the Rank in Nightmare Creatures.. While in Humans, The Rank decides the Power Level..
At that moment sunny could defeat an ordinary master but Morgan is anything but ordinary
Thank goddess for this video .. I've been a fan reading the newest chapters for years now and I've pretty much given up on understanding the Monster power system lol
@@timbuckley321 Thankyou for watching it 🥂 But, I got to tell you.. there is a little mistake in it.. It isn't perfect yet.. I will soon upload new updates version 🤝🙋
@@ajustarcorp Oh I realize that it isn't perfect but it's definitely helpful when visualizing the matchups.. also... it's obvious that Authors sometimes bend their own rules for dramatic purposes. So, it's all good
Well you are right about that , i was really confused why sunny can't win against higher level humans despite having multiple cores....well i guess nightmares are just inherently built different , there durability weight class are on another level ..
Woah this makes so much sense. I was thinking the way how it works is like a staircase levels. But using math can also work well. Thank You.
This ain't accurate bruh😭😭
@@MazDaDifference well explain what’s SS accuracy?
The table for the ranks are a bit of an iffy indicator of power for nightmares, I think they seriously underplay the difference in ranks even amongst lower class nightmares, like how the great beast is the equivalent of a fallen demon yet a saint got severely injured fighting one
I think you meant corrupted demon. Because a fallen demon is something masters can deal with and a saint would smoke. If your refering to the saint who faught winter beast, winter beast was a corrupted titan, titans are... Unique to say the least in the classes. But the reason a corrupted demon would give a saint more trouble than a great monster is how the classes function. A great beast has a lot more raw power than a corrupted demon, but it's just that, a beast. Beasts are more or less mindless while demons posses intelligence. It's how, among other reasons, saint was able to survive and encounter with nightmare creatures a whole rank above her.
@@MurphyTheLaw I said specifically regarding the table that shows the relationship between beast of different class and ranks, according to the table the great beast is the equivalent of the falllen demon but according to the novel they put far more respect onto great beasts, as the ranks get higher the difference between them gets more significant so I think the table that he showed really downplays the difference in ranks, not to mention the way the novel regards titans of any class
@@jaycienlovelace3123 ohhhh, my bad
Wow wonderful explanation slow and steady, wild whn u compared sunny to g3😂
@@Weebfromhell 🥂💯 Thankyou Boss 😁🔥 G3 is Divine 🐐 Fr
I see so just how nukes can't kill monsters because of law the quality of their power increases so does immunity toward lower ranks
Oh makes a lot of sense
humans don't fit in it not because of memories but because of their aspects and simply due to being on higher ranks give them more authority.
@@saaimnasir3359 Sure.. But, Nightmare Creatures too have authority and will.. Winter Beast and Condemnation are clear examples..
@@ajustarcorp They have wills but a corrupted titan will can be matched with transcended human despite being a beast since they are on same rank it's like how sunny mentioned in his fight with winter beast that even though a nuclear bomb can do same destruction but it won't do any damage to higher rank creatures but the sword of an awakened can despite doing relatively low damage and there is another thing also humans get different abilities as they move through ranks but nightmare creatures get abilities as they move through classes like demons are simply intelligent creatures while devil's also has a profane ability and then tyrants get authority and so on .
trying to watch the video with out getting spoiled is like walking a land mine good video tho
Thankyou boss 💖
Good nice video 👍
Thank you Boss ❤️💯
Great video!!!!
Ok so I am writting this comment as I am watching the video, so I will go by buller points :
- Great video, nice an slow explanation, love it! It's always great to see more Shadow Slave content!
- During your presentation of the ranks and classes, you say that the really power difference between NCs is in their class, not their rank. I disagree with this interpretation, the power difference between a Corrupted Devil and a Great Devil is more important than the difference between a Corrupted Devil and a Corrupted Tyrant in my opinion.
I think a good exemple would be the Fall of Falcon Scott, where Goliath, although seemingly more destructive than the Terror of LO49, is probably weaker than the latter, and one is a Fallen Titan, where one is a Corrupted Terror (but this exemple is not the best, considering that Goliath has all of his powers focused on destructive power and resistance, while the Terror of LO49 is fully focused on a mind hex...).
- I really like the numbers you gave to the human ranks! feel like it is a really good reflection of the power difference that exist between each ranks! (I have no idea what we can expect for Sacred and Divine, so I cannot give any opinion on your speculation, these numbers are huge tho!).
I believe that you may be scaling Divine a little too high in destructive power tho, as we know that Gods and Daemons are probably beings above the divine, and the Shadow Slave verse probably does not scale super high in termes of sheer fire power.
I think the difference between Supreme and Sacred & Sacred and Divine will probably focus on concept manipulation more than sheer destructive power, which you illustrated really well when talking about the gap between supreme and sacred.
(The concept manipulation is also shown by the Vile Thieving Bird Cutting Sunny's strings of fate)
- Ok so the numbers you used corrected your first point where you said that the main power difference between NC came from their classes and not their ranks, nice!
- Final point, I think that the numbers hold true when considering lower class/rank NC and humans, but cannot really be applied to higher beings, some creatures have powers that naturally hold an advantage against others, sometimes invalidating the numbers I think.
Really liked the video tho! See this comment as me nitpicking bro!
I hope to see more Shadow Slave content from you mate! Thanks a lot!
@@Bananeotaku Thank you so much for this comment Boss.. ( I make videos more such things ❤️) Also, Yeah.. I feel like Shadow Slave needs more UA-cam content this one video.. I am really trying to come up with more content! (Wish me luck ) Please do look forward to it.. And Lastly.. This Power Scale has so many 'flaws', as you might have seen.. Great Beast vs Corrupted Devil.. It doesn't match up.. Great Beast is way stronger.. we really need more info for it to be corrected.. maybe the upcoming war will show us what Great and Cursed creatures can do.. Until then I'm trying to comeup with more revised and absolute power scale.. Thanks for sharing your view.. 💯🥂
I don't think he over scaling the divine classes. Considering the vile thieving bird, a cursed terror was Abel to pull the strings of fate right off sunny and sneak past a gaurdian of ariel. And considering how the power gap between ranks grows much larger with each rank. And also with knowing that a cursed being has a massive influence on the world(in nephis and sunny's fight with a cursed demon). It would make sense for a unholy NC to be very destructive
Here’s my thought on the class difference with divine aspect holders
It isn’t multiplicative but additive
Beast sunny is 10 so as a monster he would get another core which is 10 so 20 as a demon he’s gets another core making him 30 and as the class goes up the only physical strength boost as a titan he would get is 70 but his essence pool is unspeakably large due to being a titan
Also the Vile Thieving bird was a special nightmare creature just like ravenous fiend and Stone saint who shouldn’t be able to kill stuff with higher rank and class than her
9:40, this comparison seems a little off, from the beast+ rank the diffrence is ranks get exponential, and a cursed being is a demigod so in my opinion a cursed beast can easily take on 5 corrupted titans
Yeah.. I need to correct it
I’m listening to your video and I’ll have to correct you on something at 5:00 about the weakened supreme Daeron
Daeron was equivalent to a great monster, he isn’t a weakened supreme but a supreme without a domain
Nephis said a new born supreme is basically a very powerful saint, but what makes a supreme truly cataclysmic is how developed their domain is, if someone like neph became a new supreme by doing a nightmare she would be instantly killed by any of the other supremes due to the amount of power one gains from holding a domain
So daeron would be considered a new born supreme in power in other words inconsequentially powerful saint which was nephis exact words
Just giving info where it’s needed ^^
@@friskpichmir Fair.. 💯
I see a shadow slave novel I press like
@@goodgacha36 Hell Yeah 💯😂🔥
Bro you are right but you forget something that is
Awakened absorbing soul fragments to increase core capacity they can absorb 1000 fragments
That's means the humans Awakened fully saturated core power 10× of Awakened beast
It means morgan and sunny fight morgan core is fully saturated
the calculation is
Ascended=40
fully saturated core=10
Beast=10
Morgan total points=(40×10)×10= 4000
Sunny Awakened-Demon total points= 3200
@@pritammitra5242 Yeah.. I fumbled it.. If you see.. Great Beast numbers are lover than Corrupted Monster.. Which is wrong.. I will fix it soon 🥂💯
Yes bro you are right
when sunny become a saint. Sunny told us the Transcendent ranks is equal of a demigod. when sunny and Nephis fight against saint dire fang at that time sunny is just a Devil and Nephis is a Tyrant and the combined powers is equal of 10 Ascended and saint dire fang is the weak than other saint
that's means a Transcendent is ×10 stronger than any Ascended
It's means Fallen=40
Corrupted=40×10=400 Titan=196000
Great=400×10=4000 Titan=1960000
Cursed=4000×10=40000 Titan=19600000
Unholy strength unknown it because first three are physical stronger but Corrupted Great Cursed this three ranks are not only physical stronger but supernatural power so Unholy ranks is a Fallengod so it's power will be more than 10× powerful any other ranks
@@pritammitra5242 Yes.. I am thinking I should add extra points for last three ranks and class.. 👍💥
@pritammitra5242 No even when sunny was 10x stronger, Dire fang was still faster and stronger then him, they just got an opening, they literally won by luck.
my stomach hurt when u use G3 as Divine Beast hahhaaa
@@bryantempla9884 haha 😂
I'm big fan CN novels until now Lord of the Mysteries number one power scaling system, maybe I will read Shadow slave after finished the god of fishing.
Lord of the Mysteries.. is like Inception man.. I don't even remember what happened in it..
I think we need to factor Aspects for humans, this is also a huge part of why they are able to fight Nightmare creatures. Aspect also scale with ranks. And although from devil onwards Nightmare creatures get powers, it's still not comparable to Aspects (at least until they get to Terrors).
Also Sunny, Nephis and Mordret are able to fight against some higher ranks, just not all of them. Like Morgan is a top tier warrior not your run of the mill dreamer, not even your run of the mill legacy. And on multiple occasions, Sunny, Nephis and Mordret have beaten humans from higher ranks
As for recently, since the only Supremes are all top tier warrior and the gap between ranks grows larger making it hard for the cores to bridge that gap then yes you could say that human ranks are absolute
True.. But, Aspects come various different types and also the user is very responsible for how they use it.. Like Kai has the Crowd Control ability but he rarely uses it in battlefield.. So making a comparison table for aspects would be so hard and unreal
@@ajustarcorp Yes agreed, in fact there are supposedly support based Aspects like blacksmith oriented (although WE only heard of them). I think your approach was very pragmatic even though it's hard to truly make a power evaluation
@@Decamix300 Thankyou.. I need make many corrections in it.. so it is still a faulty system..
Humans have aspect which NMC does not have and aspect is the main power
It is true.. but that doesn't mean NMC don't use variety of Power.. Demons and Higher class beings have hundreds of abilities.. We can call it their aspect.. Nightmare Creatures don't gain much power from ranks.. they gain power from their class and num of cores.. a Awakened Tyrant has more abilities than Ascended Demon..
it's logic but kinda wrong like a corrupted monster has 4,800 while a great beast only 3,600 but sunny as a master could kill 10 corrupted monster easly but he would have an almost impossible fight with a great beast; there should be much more difference between higher ranks
Hey i like the vid i just disagree with the multipliers that you are using when it comes to rank and class
Ps the reason why humans can fight nc of higher ranks is because nc's are insane and humans are more strategic but they make up for it in class
@@kacyonnexus180 yes... Nightmare creatures are insane but not all of them... Only at the Class Demon.. A devil is as intelligent as a Human.. Tyrants and Terrors, etc are way more strategic than Average Humans.. Sunny mentioned it quite often that Fighting N.C of Class Devil is like fighting a Human..
@@ajustarcorptrue true that was an oversight on my part
But I still disagree with the multipliers because even Jet said that the gap between an awaken and an ascended is not as large as an ascended and a transcended so the multipliers would be off
Still love the vid btw not alot of SS content on UA-cam so this was amazing to see
@@kacyonnexus180 Yeah.. I fumbled it up.. I actually should have seen verified it.. As you can see a Great Beast is way stronger than Corrupted Devil or Tyrant.. Still, I gave it low points. I am working on it.. but I don't know how to approach it.. Well, Thankyou for your comment 💯 I will try to make content around SS and other novels 💯 Please do share, on which topic you would like the video 🪴❤️
@@ajustarcorpunderstand... g3 doesn't really give a definite answer for this. Will recommend this channel.
This video works as a great basic summary of the power system but it is completely missing one core aspect (quite literally) of the power system-Aspects. Humans, while not having classes, do have Aspects (something that NCs dont have). That is the main reason why Humans can fight nightmare creatures of higher classes. You fail to account for the Aspects of humans and the ranks of the aspects. Aspects aren't just divided into "normal" and "divine". Rather, each aspect has a rank, from sleeper to divine. It's just that divine aspects are rather special. But there is still a huge difference between, for example, an ascended aspect and a sacred aspect. If you assigned to aspects the same points as classes, all of a sudden it would start making a bit of sense why humans are able to fight such high-class NCs and it would be able to be shown numerically. Of course, humans have other advantages. For example, every human has an inherent advantage against NCs lower than devil class (it is only at devil that NCs become as intelligent as humans, so before that they are quite dumb). Humans are also able to easily increase their power even without increasing their rank through training,having better Memories,having their Soul Core filled,being more skilled, more scheming, and the like. Of course there also for example Aspects or memories that counter or get counter by other aspects/memories/NCs but that starts becoming a bit too complex and unneeded for a basic explanation of the power system.
@@slav7571 Yeah.. Aspects are divided in Utility and Fighting... so it does help.. But, in my opinion Aspect Ranks don't really matter in Human Comparisons too... Even if an Divine Aspect User like Sunny is a Master.. He can cannot defeat a Dormant/ Ascensed Aspect User, Saint Tyris or Any Saint (Yeah he can stand and fight them but not win).. Divine Rank Awakened Sunny cannot even defeat Master Morgan (he got killed in like 20 seconds) .. So, Ranks like Awakened, Ascended, Transcendent are the only means of comparison in Humans. Tell me a Name of any random Master with any aspect who can kill a Saint and tell me the Saint name too.. How will he kill and where. I think there is nobody ... (Don't include Nephis, Sunny or Mordret they are heavily Plot armoured and Got Divine Lineage and peak Titanic class powers)
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But this lead me a question as to why Mimic who was a fallen devil was running away from the wormvine who was a corrupted monster.
Your charts says corrupted monster is 4800 while fallen devil is 6400. So a mimic should be able to handle a wormvine. Unless the wormvine are more dangerous because the novels says it has a ability to attack and eat souls. Perhaps the mimic can’t counter that.
@@themightyspartan1012 You made a point there.. the chart has some mistakes and I will correct them soon.. As you can see.. A Great Beast not equal to Corrupted Monster or devil.. he should be equal to a Corrupted Tyrant or a Terror..
the gap between corrupted and fallen is big, for example a you need atleast 50 masters to beat one saint or even more then 50.
@@MazDaDifference I’m not talking humans bro. I talk about nightmare creature who has classes are that can benefits them. A Fallen Titan for example has power equivalent to a corrupted devil-tyrant. While Ranks as it goes higher increase their gaps. Them it also applies to those classes as well.
@themightyspartan1012 Yes I'm talking about nightmare creatures, the gap between fallen and corrupted is too big that's why the mimic couldn't beat the worm vine even the it was higher in class as a devil.
@@MazDaDifference perhaps. But from what I understand once the NC pass to a terror class. It increase their power scale. Not by much but enough. Like a Fallen Titan is equivalent to a corrupted tyrant. Which by the way I didn’t made up. G3 said that on his discord.
But I’m not so sure how much power can classes benefit those NC the higher rank they go. Like can a cursed titan able to defeat an unholy beast. That I don’t know.
Bro i'm sorry but that doesn't cut it, we saw sunny beat up corr. Devils before he got bullied by goliath, fallen titans are relative to corrupted tyrant not just a bit above devil
@@mjflash9665 Yeah..I will revise the chart soon 🥂
So a sacred titan could beat a god as long as they dont have a divine aspect
@@AeroliteSR Well, We didn't go into Aspects.. but as long as theat Sacred Titan got some crazy powers like Fate Snatching, Time Or Space control.. A scared Titan should become a trouble for a Divine Beast atleast..
The gods are higher then all the ranks.
This scale is quite arbitrary to say the least but what proves it wrong for sure is that there are many end statements and assumtions taken here that are not true. As in a divine/unholy creature does not compare to any god ie. unholy/divine titan
Yeah.. The chart is little flawed.. i am trying to comeup with new one... Sleeper aka Dreamer is a rank name buddy.. Tell me the first rank name then..? it is the rank you get after your first nightmare.. (thats the reason Awakened is second rank, ascended is third, etc upto rank 7 Divine) they can receive memories and echoes.. So they are stronger than dormant humans.. for example.. as a sleeper sunny killed a Great Devil VTB spawn egg and received Blood Weave..
@@ajustarcorp Normal humans are not dormant, it's just like a normal animal is not a dormant nightmare creature. In the awakening process without the spell they can't make a soul core before they awaken, so it's the spell's thing that humans get dormant rank per se. You could say that the state of being enhanced by essence(through killing/absorbing) before awakening represents dormant rank without the nightmare spell.
Well, based on that it could be said that most residents of the mortal realms were dormant.
@@tajemniczywasacz nah.. all normal humans are referred as Dormant.. There are Nightmare Creature which are dormant Beast,devil, etc.. they have no powers just physically strong.. in Sunny's 1st Nightmare trial.. he kills 3 dormant humans.. they were normal... We don't know about animals.. like dogs, cat, tiger.. we haven't seen any animal in SS.. have we ?
@@ajustarcorp What do you mean dormant nightmare creatures have no powers? How can they have cores and no powers? Be devils yet no powers? That directly contradicts what is said in the novel. Well, back to your first statement it's actually not true-not once do we have a pov of a mundane human from earth being killed and nightmare spell calling them dormant. And even if they were dormant that wouldn't make dreamer not to even mention sleeper an actual valid rank. We may not have directly seen any animal but they were mentioned a lot ie. cows in the farm, birds in the city, cats and dogs as pets etc. and overall are/were present in the setting and they sure were not said to have bullet-resistant properties of dormant nightmare creatures who are coincidentally responsible for "taking over the world" during the descent of the nightmare spell.
ummm not true any human who has killed enough monsters and who have taken in the Core of those monsters can get more cores there no need to be Divine. Divine just means your base power may be stronger in some way.
Brother.. I think you are confusing soul fragments to soul cores.. Humans have only one Core.. So they are always beasts. Divine aspect Holders like Sunny, Nephis, Mordret have multiple cores.. So they become monster, demon, devil, etc.. thats the reason sunny is Transcendant Terror right now.. while Anvil is a Supreme Beast.
Brother has been reading darkness master instead of shadow slave
At that moment sunny could defeat an ordinary master but Morgan is anything but ordinary
@@lumuabaasi3896 Yeah... He can defeat an Ascended Human with a Minor Aspect, like an Ascended Tailor or Carpenter.. But, Awakened Sunny cannot defeat an Ascended Warrior with a Fighting Capability.. Same with Master Sunny, he was not even comparable to Fighting a Saint like Tyris or Direfang... Saint Sunny cannot defeat Sovereign Anvil who has only one Core !!
Woah this makes so much sense. I was thinking the way how it works is like a staircase levels. But using math can also work well. Thank You.
@@themightyspartan1012 Thankyou for the comment brother.. But, The Power level has a flaw and I will revise it soon. 💯