Apple Log VS. Filmic Pro Log
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Apple Log vs. Filmic Pro Log... what's the difference? Watch and find out. :) Please note: This is not a scientific test and I'm still learning the best practices for using Apple Log.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Test 1
2:38 Test 2
4:54 Color Charts
5:52 Wrap-up
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The lack of sharpness makes the apple log look SO much better than anything ever shot on a smartphone!
No question about it. That’s actually the thing I’m most excited about even more than the dynamic range, etc.
It’s huge!!!
Will a minor desharpen asjustment work on older model iPhones using filmic pro?
@@RyanChann Desharpening is difficult; cuz image is already processed, it's like trying to unmix ink.
You would lose a lot of texture by doing so
Desharpening can definitely help. I’ve done that for about 10 years until now. :) And/or using soft FX type filters in post like Cosmo. Another thing to do is actually shoot with a softening filter or like a Black Pro Mist.
this is HUGE. I think not many people can appreciate the difference between a "normal" camera and a phone camera, but when you're a cinematographer you notice immediately. Apple log takes iPhone so many steps forward in terms of looking like an actual cine camera.
Apple Log just hit Flimic Pro. Now we're just missing record to external drive :D
BendingSpoons please take notice, you all should enable recording to an outside SSD on the iPhone 15 Pro & Pro Max with @Filmicpro. Because the 'competition' from BlackMagic allows it! Unless you want people to continue jumping ship!
Thanks for doing this. I was wondering about it.
We thank you for your service sir. This was great work.
This was super helpful! I’ll definitely be going with the Apple log now. Thanks!
Great! I was wondering where to go to with my ordered iPhone 15 Pro Max - and this really helps!
Just what I’ve wanted to see. Thanks!
Really handy stuff, thanks !
Great, great test - thank you! I think Filmic Pro may need to change back to the freemium model sooner vs later.
THANK YOU!!!
4:51 quite impressive how much better the Apple Log graded image looks. Shadows are super clean for a phone in this situation. Results I would otherwise only get with MotionCam on Android which is very difficult to deal with.
This is fantastic!
5:30 all the sharpening halos are gone.
If you still want a "sharper" image, use Sharpen in Resolve and set Radius to lowest. Way superior over any in-camera or worse phone sharpening.
Fantastic video and Apple Log is certainly not a gimmick. The iPhone certainly can be used in a lot more situations now, but with that said, the utlrawide and tele lenses are pretty bad (13mm f/10 and 77mm f/24 or 120mm f/21 on the Max equivalents to FF). But even the primary camera is still only a 24mm f/6.3 FF equivalent which does limit you quite a lot with what you can use it for.
Other than if I forgot my proper camera, I can't see a situation where I would prefer to use an iPhone over say an also very compact Sony ZV-E1 and a tiny f/2.8 prime.
This is the best comparison
RIP filmic.
Definitely going to be some disruption in the third-party app market.
After the stunt that they pulled towards the used to be loyal fan base. I’m sorry I do not feel sorry for them if they would have honored the perpetual license and found a way to partnership maybe some extra features along with their software technology sort of like AI things would be OK for them but yes, this is the nail in the coffin. I believe just my two cents.
Filmic deserves it for their Anti-consumer approach.
Can wait for your review of the Blackmagic app
Apple LOG is so mindblowing... and I think this is one of the most impressive leap in video since the first gen iPhone. Do you agree? :)
Yes it’s impressive, especially as it relates to using a phone for more professional video work.
Mcrawlog on Android isn't bad either.
Great video ! I initially thought you were only going to compare FiLMiC Pro with the native iPhone app and was about to ask you to compare FiLMiC Pro with the Blackmagic app, but we can see here that the difference between the two like the actual log performance and disabling digital sharpening/noise reduction is very obvious. I was wondering if you could go even further to compare the two apps' features, especially quality/bitrate options, the ability to lock shutter speed while keeping ISO on auto for vlogging/varying lighting, the remote control with another phone feature etc... That'd be perfect, thank you !
Definitely have some Blackmagic videos in the works. Thanks for watching!
Would love to see the background work with LUTs etc.
I show some of that here… ua-cam.com/video/cG3-eCCbncQ/v-deo.htmlsi=Bzg5_Jih3znJJsTY
Love a video on if it’s possible to record external Drive and still record sound on a external shotgun mic due to there only been one USDC port.
Great video as always, I was wondering this exact thing. The footage I'm collecting with Apple LOG is insane.
Now we can finally call it iPhoneography. :D
Apple did it! Sharpening and local tone-mapping gone for good.
You’re on fire! Thanks for doing this test.
BTW - where did you find the Apple LUT?
It's in the Final Cut Pro recent update.
Yeah, the official one from Apple is only in Final Cut Pro, and I’m not a fan. It makes the footage look more like an iPhone than what we want. :)
I’ve got some available now, if interested…
geni.us/AppleLogLUTs
@@iphoneographers I Just downloaded your Everyday LUTs - they look great and make short work of converting LOG footage. Money well spent. 👏🏻
@pdcorlis Awesome, great to hear and thanks!
I wish there was some way to get a hold of some raw apple log footage...even just the color charts would be amazing
Prores raw would be a true game changer.
Or Blackmagic App doing BRAW haha
@@DennisSchmitz they can't...i mean they could take some already processed image and just transform it for no reason, but the whole point of log is to encode the sensor data, Filmic can't do that, its just Rec.709 with a filter, from what I have seen. BRaw (if BM were to add that) would be the same thing.
Only apple, in their camera firmware, could change the way that the sensor values are encoded. Apple doesn't provide any API's to get the raw sensor values, and the value of Log is in capturing more info. If I were to take a Rec.709 image, convert it to Log, and then convert it back again, I wouldn't really gain anything, because I only have as much data as I started with.
Hey man thanks for the video. I have a couple of questions: What’s the best option for recording video on the 14pm? Does it come remotely close to picture quality you would get from 15pm after color grading? Or is it night and day difference in terms of final quality? I’d like to use the phone as my main camera for UA-cam shorts and want it to look good so trying to decide if my current 14pm can deliver a good result or if I just need to bite the bullet and get the 15pm. Thanks again!
The 14PM can definitely deliver. You can shoot ProRes for heavy color grading using third-party apps like Blackmagic - or to shoot log use Cinema P3 or Filmic Pro. But really for YT Shorts just shooting standard ProRes will work great or even HEVC (using whatever app you prefer). But yeah, the 14PM is great - the main difference from a video perspective is the new Apple Log and then the 5x telephoto in the 15PM.
I am planning to purchase your LUTs for apple log but I have 2 questions
1- can i trust the auto exposure in the Blackmagic app coz i will be filming my self?
2. Which setting i should go with to use Lumafusion
1080p. H264 or h265 or proress 444?
If you’re planning to shoot auto then I’d probably just use the native camera as it’s very accurate. Blackmagic is good, but it is a bit buggy right now, especially shooting Apple Log. The monitoring is currently messed up (looks overexposed) and recording to any codec other than ProRes the files don’t all look right.
I’m sure/hope these bugs will be fixed soon, but the native app is good now. The main negative is the ProRes HQ files are huge. If you do use Blackmagic then I’d shoot standard ProRes or ProRes LT. Still get great results, but with much smaller file size. Then I typically use the same codec in Luma that you shoot with.
Thats a super cool video :) The sharpness thing i think is just doable with a Iphone 15 Pro. I have the 13 Pro. I just found the CinemaP3 App. There is C-LOG and D-LOG. Are this LOGS a bit better compared to the Filmic LOG V3 and is it possible to "de-sharp" the clips in post? I also realized that my footage is rly overshapen on big TV :(
CinemaP3 is very similar to FiLMiC Pro and their log profiles, although I actually think FiLMiC Pro you can get a bit better results with LogV3+ (ProRes) since you have a 13 Pro. But again, they’re both a good option - and yes, you can soften the image in post. This video might help… ua-cam.com/video/2_FnRrtR80Q/v-deo.htmlsi=8NsvVlN-HsXBE5bK - also try using a 1/8 black Promist filter when shooting. Thanks for watching!
I appreciate your channel. Very informative and inspirational. I have a question, when you’re filming, do you try to get the best exposure possible and then color correct & grade in post later on? Or do you allow over/under exposure and fix later?
I’ve always been confused by that; I figure to always get the best exposure possible then correct it later. Thanks.
Definitely hit that exposure properly for best results and if anything slightly under is better than over. If the highlights overexpose you can’t recover them.
@@iphoneographers Thanks for the tip. 🙏🏽
One important thing is that it's still variable frame rate (VFR) and not constant. This isn't a massive issue if you're just using the phone but if you're syncing multiple cameras or external audio, it can easily desync.
what about the blackmagic app?
True, that’s inherent to the phone. However, I’m finding these files are holding 24 frames per second pretty consistently. I’ve personally never had issues, but I know some have with VFR. The way around it of course if it is an issue is to transcode.
I would like to see a Tele on Tele Lens video. Use the moment lens on the 5X Iphone 15 Pro Max
Definitely will have that coming soon. Waiting to get the proper accessories for the 15 Pro Max.
If I use your apple log lut will it work well using iPhone footage AND drone footage in the d-cinelike color profile
Will the LUT work on D-Cinelike? If so, probably not. Or do you mean cutting footage together from the different cameras? If so, sure. It’ll just take a bit of finessing. Just try to get the same white balance on each camera.
Ok so, how can one get the apple log thing on Iphone 14 pro max or it's only for the 15? I've just downloaded the BM App & If I choose the HVEC 265 or 264 does it mean I'm already shooting Apple Log?
It currently only works on the 15.
Thank you for the video, but you didn't mention which LUT gave your shirt the correct blue. Also, I see that LogV3+ made you look more red in the face than Apple Log, expecially in your first comparison.
Yeah, I didn’t go into the colors much because I didn’t play with those a lot. I was just mainly keeping the white balance consistent and showing the general difference with the profiles. I used my correction LUTs…. www.iPhoneluts.com. I’ll do more on this topic in the future once I shoot more with Apple Log. Thanks for watching!
How are you applying the Apple Log correction LUT? Is this done in-camera or in post in your NLE?
Depending on the app, you can do it in the app, but I would only do that for previewing… Otherwise, yeah, using it in my NLE which is Premiere Pro.
_You can lock the white balance from the phone settings_
Yeah it locks while recording, but then is auto WB otherwise.
Im confused by your discussion on the Filmic Pro vs native camera because Filmic Pro gives me the option of shooting in both Pro Res 709 and Apple Pro Res Log. Filmic Pro offers both
Well, FiLMiC Pro ProRes log has been around since the iPhone 13 Pro, and it’s very different than Apple log, and so showing the difference.
@@iphoneographersHave you tried it on the iphone 15 pro max? cuz that is the phone I am using and it demonstrates that I can use the ProRes Apple log, which may not have been available for iPhone 13 Pro Max.
Where do we get this log that Apple has released?
iPhone 15 Pro
Does shooting in log finally allow us to disable dynamic tone mapping and get useable manual exposure footage in high contrast settings?
In my quick tests it is still there, but quite subtle.
@@stanislav.shelestAh, shame. I guess I’ll have to wait getting a new iPhone until they fix that.
In my testing so far I’m seeing no dynamic tone mapping. I need to do a true test for it soon, but it’s apparently been turned off, or if not down almost completely off. Since they’re promoting the ACES color workflow it should be gone.
@@iphoneographers It was a bit of a challenge to notice, but I managed by filming a bright wall with a tiny part of dark background on the side. Then, with a quick pan to the dark hallway in the background, I could see it brighten up slightly. It even shifted the color a bit from cool to warm. I used the BM camera app for this, with all the settings locked in.
@stanislav.shelest Interesting I’ll check it out
Anywhere raw video files available to download of Apple Log from iPhone 15P ?
looking for the same thing...haven't been able to find them anywhere
@@MaximoJoshua Exactly. Couldn't find.
Let me look into this.
@@slackliner There's nothing online, even checked reddit lol
it looks more like what i expect raw video to look like
I’m a little confused about finding the right shutter with apple log, how do you shoot 180 degree shutter 😮in the native app
Ohh I can use apple log in the black magic app 😅
You don’t but the app will default to that in the right lighting conditions. Otherwise using an ND will make it work.
Yeah, blackmagic has it and other apps will have Apple log soon too, so the manual control aspect will no longer be an issue.
Do you use variable ND filters for the iPhone? What filters and adapters to attach it to the iPhone do you recommend?
Can you shoot in Apple log on a iphone 13 pro?
No. 15 series only.
Any solutions for external ssd and case
I’m sure that’ll be coming soon, but I’m just using a Samsung T7 SSD, but since I have the 1TB phone, I’m mainly using it by itself.
Filmic made the transition so much easier by switching to subscription model.
Can you film 120 fps or 240 fps in Apple LOG?
60 fps maximum
@@stanislav.shelesteven if we set it to 1080P?
@@chinitopinoy1726 The only advantage of shooting in 1080p is the ability to record Log 60 fps internally.
No.
is iphone 15plus filmic pro log and iphone 15 pro apple log almost the same ?
You can get similar end results, but the actual log profiles are different… ua-cam.com/video/AYOPYX-ZwP8/v-deo.htmlsi=6Ijz9d3vyrnnPj2i
How to use apple log in iphone 15 plus.
You need a Pro series phone
Hello! Сan someone explain the situation -> If LOG is a software feature, why can't the company add it to the IPhone 14 Pro for example. The same Filmic allows to shoot in 4k 10 bit on my 14Pro, also HLG, LOG v3 is available.
Apple just limited access to this feature programmatically or am I wrong?
They claim they can achieve this because of the latest chips in the 15 Pro.
@@iphoneographers lg did the same thing years ago and also with a true log (with an outdated chip in today's standards). Im sure the 14 pro is capable and so is the 13 pro. But apple is apple. They do this always. Cringe.
clearly filmic pro log is a log created from the processed video, while Apple Log is accesing sensor data to create the log
Indie Slate Magazine!! I worked as their GD and minion years ago. Which issue is that? Looks like something after my time 😎
Ha, nice. It’s from Winter 2003. I think it’s Issue #29. Was definitely a fan!
I can’t understand why this feature is not supported on iPhone 14 pro, I can’t see any technical reason. Is this just a way to make more money?
I agree, however, what I’ve been told is it has to do with the latest A17 chip and it’s faster processing.
Apple documentation says you need at least 200 writes for proRes, is that what you found? I hear others say no.
My SD cards are all that speed or faster than that so I haven’t had any issues but I’ve seen some people say you can use V30, but I personally wouldn’t trust it.
Do you have a link of the docs from Apple?
Now we just need a good SSD attachment accessory. Please accessory makers.
what about moment app log
All these logs were just false advertising. There was zero difference between using the logs from any app until now.
Moment log was one of the versions that’s actually not true log. It’s fine to use in some situations but it’s not like Apple log.
@@webinatic216 none of these are log gammas but rather Flat Rec709 with no additional dynamic range but still dealing with the same oversharpening and local tonemapping.
Skin tones look awful on the Filmic ‘log’ versions
Yeah, the colors are a little funky, especially when you see them side-by-side. This was not a scientific test, just more of a general look and with some finessing you can get good results either way, but nonetheless, the Apple log is far superior.
It’s BS that it is exclusively come with new iPhone series, I hope they give it to the previous versions of iPhone.
I was thinking the same.But obviously they won’t, so you have to buy the 15…..This sucks.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. Although my guess is they would claim it has something to do with the new faster chip that makes it work.
@@iphoneographers sure, Apple already claims that all that was possible thankfully to the new “miraculous” chip.Same story every year.But I start thinking that what Apple is doing is unacceptable.They could at least make it available for the 13 and 14 series….Im really upset, because I bought the iPhone 14 Pro 256, to make prores video, hopefully waiting for an upgrade with log profile, and now that they did I can’t even do it with third party apps.
Agreed. They should offer it back to the 13 Pro as it shoots ProRes.
Filmic Pro Log isn't a true LOG; it's just a post-curve with no added dynamic range
That’s actually not accurate, it’s a true logarithmic curve, but just built around what Apple gave them with computational imaging, dynamic tone mapping, and over processing/sharpening. But thankfully we have Apple log now.
@@iphoneographers I mean that is a post porcess curve
Ironic how they need to introduce log to finally give you something that is not API-oversharpened. It's nice to have this, but I would prefer to have a setting which deactivates automatic sharpening for normal video recording. Or a simple setting like on older Sony cameras, contrast/saturation/sharpness -3 to +3. That would absolutely be enough for me.
Would like that ability as well, but doubt that I’ll ever happen on an iPhone. But Apple log is pretty great.
@@iphoneographers It might be, however seen on the whole group of users, people who know how to deal with Log footage are a minority, so it’s not really a solution for everybody, unfortunately. Working with Log requires special knowledge and additional time. It’s not the appropriate fix for just desharpening/desaturating/decontrasting your footage. 😄
So I have to upgrade the phone… in order to use something that requires LESS processing power🤔
Filmic pro has sent themselves to get buried😂
Logv3 is a fake log , apple Log is ture Log
Yep, it's the first time ever seeing actual Log footage from any phone.
Android has proper RAW though (motioncam) which also has fantastic latitude, color and no sharpening but the workflow is just abysmal.
now samsung fans being proud of their useless zoom when in fact its not use don a daily basis comapare to this useful camera guides.. lol