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Wow. You said type r at the beginning AND thought the passenger vent was functional. It’s cut out for the horn guys. If you’re gonna do these videos can you at least get your facts straight?
Why bother? Not like other cars have holes for the horn. It just creates more drag. Edit: there are regulations on how loud the horn should be. Kinda dumb you need a hole though, unlike most manufacturers.
Never driven the Hyundai, but have driven my buddy’s 2018 si coupe. I think that si is seriously under rated, car is awesome! (I drive a fiesta st). With that being said, I am personally more interested in the Hyundai. I like seeing the brand become a serious contender. If I could help it at all though I’d pay the extra fee grand for the N.
Omg this episode was great. I wake up with you guys on my phone as a ringtone. Lmao. You guys literally help me through the day. I watch you when I wake up and I watch you On my way! To work, I watch you on my ten o’clock break and lunch break I watch you On my way home from work and after dinner and I listen to you as I fall asleep and your episodes remain on repeat in my EarPods through the night. Thanks guys you rock!!!!!!!! Go veloster
The SI is a lot better. I test drove both cars and the SI is sitting in the driveway. It does have a strange clutch if you're trying to drive around grandma but if you're driving with a little agression, the clutch, gearbox and brakes are perfect.
I’m trying to figure out if I’m too old for a lime green Si. I’m still going to wait to see how the 86 turns out for the next gen. I’ve been driving a Ford Fusion SE with the 1.5l for 5 years. Everything is more fun then that.
@Sergio Aguirre not really. My rent is more than most non-Californian mortgages. I have a Bachelor's in Bioengineering from an ABET accredited university with a salaried job making good money, but 30k is unrealistic. So, politely, stfu. I bet you couldn't even afford it if you tried.
These Honda Civic Si’s and Hyundai Veloster Turbo/Elantra Sport are the two best value sporty everyday cars on the market rn that will run forever. As a hatchback user that values real cargo space, the Veloster Turbo would probably be the choice, but as you said, the Honda Civic Si outmatches the Veloster slightly in just almost every aspect. And I do think the Si’s manual shifter is better than Veloster’s, reverse gear should always be away from the driver. Everybody sings the Subaru WRX swan song until their headgaskets blow and they have to fill up for gas. Everybody sings for the Corolla Hatchback and Mazda3 until it takes them ten agonizing seconds just to reach 60 mph and they get out-maneuvered while merging in traffic by a V6 minivan. Say what you want about the Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86 being the best affordable lightweight sports coupe, but like the Mazda miata you just can’t have any friends or family members without leaving them in a parking lot
Love the dual style of this car Vlog keeping a vs video in mind! The comparison comes across perfectly and the transition is seamless! You guys did a fab job putting this together! Liking and following you from now on and will look forward to new vs videos from you chaps. Bravo!
Hyundai/Kia has always been a better value and they are catching up in long-term reliability and resale (the mag ratings change quarterly), but historically Honda/Toyota still has better long-term value.
@Noise Control 2x is an exaggeration, but I generally agree. That's why my past 4 new car purchases were all Hondas, but my point is the Koreans are catching up in long-term reliability and resale. Parity is not that far off.
Ya, for the same reason iPhones have higher resale value then androids, cause people think the Honda is better, simply for the fact it's a Honda. Hyundai has waaaaayyyy more reliable cars then honda, just like there are a thousand phones better then the iPhone, but people are stupid, so they will pay more for less
damn that veloster looks better and sporty, the civic looks like a grandpa car, he doesn't called it a corola for nothing.. at least you can pretend to be in a sport car thanks to the rear wing !
I randomly stumbled across this video when looking for a car to take to college and these were infact my two choices. Very helpful video and I think I am going to go with the Veloster!
@@Priceless406 Its really good! Fun, fast and cheap. Fuel economy is really good and if you spend some extra cash on a cold air intake its spools amazing
Decided to reflect on how Throttle House's production improved over two+ years. The old stuff is still so fun, entertaining, and genuinely good. Their 2021 videos are produced by Michael Bay.
I purchased the Si sedan a month ago as my daily. The Hondata flash makes a world of difference in waking up the engine. It’s how it should have come from the factory now. But I think it’s a great all around car that can’t be beat for the money.
SavagexRaccoon It still has rev hang after the base tune was installed. I’ve gotten used to it and for daily driving it doesn’t bother me much. What bothered me much more was the engine running out of steam after 5k. But the tune is so good that it makes the stock setting feel very underpowered in comparison.I’ve modified and tracked Honda’s for 25 years and these new turbo engines are nice for the street but lack the sharpness and excitement of the old NA engines for track work and fun runs. My sons Type R is a lot of fun but it needs a loud mode from the factory. Another must have for the Si is the gas pedal relocate kit from Acuity which makes heel toe a breeze. But I do enjoy the Si as a daily and have zero regrets buying it. In my opinion it’s a no brainer for the price.
Just picked up my 2019 Veloster Turbo and I love it, its different than what everyone else has. I have owned alot of different civics and other hondas but this car is a nice change. My heart will always love a H22 prelude though.
Tom, what you don't like about the Si shifter could be the rubber bushings in the shifter base and shift linkage ends. When you replace those with with solid bushings you get a much more direct feel. Feels like it goes into gear a lot more positively. Great videos you guys, keep up the great work repping Ontario!
I was all about buying the Civic si coupe last year but decided to wait for the 2019 Veloster r-spec... Im happy i waited. $1000 cheaper, b&m shifter , engine and exhaust sound amazing compared to the civic.. Better sound system(infinity) and I will have a car that is unique from most on the road... Everyone has a civic on the road... same as mustang and camaro... just following the crowd! I like a car with unique styling thats different from all the others...
That's great...but after a couple thousand miles when it's in the shop doing what Hyundai's do...Honda is much better long-term value. Plus the 2020 So addressed a lot of their complaints and is a much better car.
Great vid once again. I'd have to take the Veloster! Even tho civic has proven themselves. A little better at this a little better at that but everyone has it. The Veloster is just so cool & different. When i pull up in that weird orange reddish color with 3 doors, everyone is saying what is that. Not so much in a boring Honda civic
The Veloster looks so good now. Just looks like a quality hot hatch from Japan should. But now i think the Koreans might be making better looking, bolder cars. I think it looks fast in an understated way and has an agressive stance to it. The Honda just looks like a Honda with a plastic spoiler on it to signify that its a "sports car".
I know the comment was a year ago, but this is still FACTS and even more so with the 2020 models. I am debating between these two and even though the Civic is faster, I love the uniqueness and the killer price of the Veloster. I'm going to try to get the veloster. Hopefully I get a good discount on labor day, wish me luck!
Just spent 2 days test driving both of these and trying to get the best deal for these. And i honestly much preferred the veloster. The civic although it was just as quick it didnt feel as comfortable to push to the red line. The veloster seemed to do it way smoother (with the 7 speed dual clutch auto) and the interior was much nicer in the veloster. Both were very fun little cars but personally i much preferred the veloster. (The $1500 i saved by buying the veloster are just a small bonus)
Have a Civic Si. I am relatively old for the target market but have to drive a lot and don't have the ability to have an electric car. The Civic Si makes me money on mileage and is a blast to drive in the city traffic. Very excited to go out in the country with it next week and drive the Coronado Trail. I don't care about big engine noise and such, in fact would rather it be less than more because I drive a lot. I could have a more expensive car, but the Civic goes all in on conveniences in its design giving more than cars 30% more expensive. I did a lot of research before buying and am in love this car.
01:39 The side profile and the rear looks so frikkin sick on the civic si. The rear of the veloster definitely does look aggressive with its exhaust and spoiler but the SI's side profile, spoiler and tail lamps just takes your breath away!
After months of researching, I chose a 2018 civic si recently. Your reviews definitely helped! I definitely love the Si, but my biggest complaint is the exhaust is so quite.. more than likely will go aftermarket, but besides that it is a solid car with good performance.
I’m glad to see so many car UA-camrs testing and celebrating the Veloster Turbo and N models. While I’ve never driven one, I’ve always thought the Veloster was a near little car, and probably misunderstood and underrated. Thankfully, the world has embraced fun, zippy, and practical small cars again, and cars like this are getting their due.
alot of people say "resale" value makes the honda better. This is true for years 05-15. Hyundais we crappy throw away cars that were selling at the time for as low as 8k. fast forward to our current day models. THEY ARE BUILT BY AUDI DESIGNERS NOW! resale on a hyundai base model is not good even to this date but has improved nearly 17% over 2016-17 and 23% for 2017-18. This upward trend started when hyundai started producing sleeker safer and all around more value for you buck. If we fast forward a few more years, these sport models, and N model tuner cars are going to hold value long into the future, especially if hyundai does limited runs. I also own an Elantra Sport tech 2018. Amazing car and it has a turbo and comes track tuned. These are perfect.......CHEAP..........tuner cars. Give hyundai a few more years and they will establish an even stronger brand in the americas and all these older models will go up in value as time goes on. TRUST ME. its not my first rodeo.
@@GROGU123 Elantra N-line and tuscon N-line are both 4 door. I own a 2018 Elantra sport 4 door 1.6 gamma turbo. Veloster N is the only 3door concept they make.
@@GROGU123 I didn't mean design, i meant design influence. as in if it was "designed by german makes" or "designed by audi" very rarely affects depreciation. Like you said, if audi did make very safe, and very reliable car that would dictate higher resale, but that does not mean that just because "it was designed by audi" means that resale will go up like what the original comment indicates.
@@skifree0 the problem with both is reliablility which has improved vastly in the latest models so in a few more years these models with hold up against domestic and japanese imports. hyundai has come a long way since 2008. can you actually say they havent?
@@dnomadlethal744 At least from my experience no. I owned a 13 optima with the 2.4L. within 3 years and 90,000km, I have had a broken door latch, broken heated seat, a full longblock replacement (they found metal shavings during that theta II engine recall), and a pretty hefty oil burning issue that was never fully diagnosed before I got rid of it To me it was a fun car that looked amazing (probably some of the best work Peter Schreyer has done ) but I still remember back in 2013 Kia/Hyundai already had the beginnings of that reliability name behind them. To be saying they have come along way from 2008, was the EXACT same thought I had when I bought one in 2013, And it just didn't deliver.
I pick Veloster! Civic is too long and the trunk is too small! Also, I've driven both and I prefer the Veloster. And actually, I like the 7-speed DCT. I didn't think I would. But I do. :-)
I know I'm late but if there's a chance you will respond, why do you prefer the 7 speed DCT over the manual? Just wondering, I'm currently debating between a veloster and a civic hatchback :-)
@@Sunite Although my wife can drive a manual, she's prefers not to. I wanted a car that we could not only share, but one we would both love. I still have my old manual Fiat 500 sport. So I get my shifting kicks from that car. But honestly. I just love driving the VT so much more now! It is so awesome!
IMO, theyre both good and you wont be disappointed with either. Personally I would get the Veloster but thats my choice. Neither is wrong. Hyundai will be offering N performance parts for Veloster in the future as well as carbon fiber body parts, interior upgrades etc for those interested. They just finilized I30Ns parts. They were shown at the Paris auto show, link here: ua-cam.com/video/vRXelYoQXYs/v-deo.html
I owned the first Honda Civic S, the 1983 Honda Civic S. I loved it. 67 horsepower, really good looking interior in red and black, exterior in red, Ultra fun to drive. New Civic is unbuyable because it is so damn ugly. It's like a nice girl that you meet but she is so revolting when you look at her that you can't stand to be in her presence.
Fantastic review guys, what most people are looking for. Subscribed. I was looking at both of these cars as well as others, (which you also mentioned) and came to a happy conclusion. Keep it up.
Hate this sort of review. Should have brought both cars into track and run 3 laps. Stop blah blah blah talking about interior and it electronic gadget.
Maybe some of us simply want a fun, sporty, practical car for under $30k to commute to work, run for groceries, and drive to dinner. My '14 Focus ST was recently totaled, got a '18 Fusion Platinum with the settlement (was a bargain). Now I am missing the pleasure of driving. And now my car now looks like every Sonata, Camry, etc out there. So, I am more interested in driving impressions than lap times.
In the US, you can find the Veloster Turbo Ultimate Manual for the same MSRP of the Si. The Si in the US is not optioned as well as Canada, no Nav or LEDs so the Veloster is much better equipped. Not to mention the Si Sedan is just hideous from the rear with the tacked on oversized fake plastic vents. The Si sounds like a lawn mower or something whereas the Veloster sounds much better even though it is "enhanced" I still prefer that.
Just finished driving both, I prefer the Si for a better driving experience. I also prefer the Civic Si coupe for looks. Civic Si Sedans are strange looking. Fun little cars.
@@viprdude I test drove both and I enjoyed the Veloster turbo better actually haha, I think that these cars are so similar in performance that it really is just a matter of taste
@@tinyman392 to me it's a brilliant move, though. The type r being held hostage above MSRP in SoCal means the N is going to really cut into their sales, I think.
Veloster N starts at $27,785. So it only cost a little more than the Si. Way better than Veloster Turbo and Civic Si, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the Civic Type R.
The velosters booty is wide and low so the seats and trunk are surprisingly wide and deep. The engine bay is small so there’s a lot of leg room in the front. Moving the seats forward a bit for a second passenger or third passenger (though preferably 2 max due to driver seating position. I’m 5’6” and a smaller person would be cramped sitting behind me.) I work in construction in LA. My trunk is loaded with 3 bags of tools and then some and i have some room to spare back there. The car doesn’t feel weighed down driving it though my tools aren’t that heavy. I absolutely adore it and have plans to keep it for future track days and modifications
One is a hatch back, one is s coupe. Get it straight. Just ask yourself, when someone says "blow the hatch!" and you climb out the trunk from sitting in the back seat... then, it's a hatch. If you open the trunk, and the back glass stays fixed, it's not a hatch. Number of doors have nothing to do with being or not being a hatch, that's nonsense. One is hot hatch, one is a hot coupe... if hot coupe exists... I'll take a hatch over a coupe any day.
The back seats fold down in the coupe from handles in the trunk. So, in practicality, same to me, exception being rear window not a part of the rear lid.
Did they just say the Veloster interior is better than the civic si interior? The Veloster is full plastic econo car interior with a thick black bordered 20 yr old Garmin style nav slapped on. Civic SI all day IMO
I really agree about the lack of aural drama in the newer Si! I got an 8th gen last month mostly because of the aural drama and edginess associated with an 8k+ redline. It was also way cheaper and the depreciation will be a lot lower as its old anyway.
Funny thing is...you can pick up an R-spec Veloster which is probably the better buy at around 20-21k...or at least that's what they're going for at my local dealer.
I bought my son a 2018 Civic Si and a couple of weeks ago, I took my 2007 S2000 out and raced him. Surprising how fast the Si is, sure he wasn't able to keep up with the S2000, but it did a pretty good job of doing so.
Since I am 62, long past the age of "Want to have fun and only fun" I'd certainly buy the Veloster. Fun mixed with comfort is the ultimate pleasure of life for me! (I drive a Genesis G80, 3.8V6, and it's almost paradise!)
José Antonio the Civic is trash lmao worked for Honda drive one work at Hyundai now and own a veloster faster funner to drive and handles way better than that junk si
Would you still make the same choice today? I am torn between the SI and a Veloster R Spec or maybe even the Veloster N.... I would appreciate your honest opinion having owned your Veloster for a while now. .... And what do you normally get in mpg if not driving like a hooligan?
I'd probably pick the Veloster. Like he said, the Korean coupe beats the civic in every measure aside from performance response. These can be improved, however. New exhaust, an ECU flash, some better tires and lowered springs would pep it up tremendously. Plus it looks better.
Every reviewer has a problem with Honda's lack of volume knob. It's so strange. Do all reviewers get a script to say that? The volume "knob" is on the steering wheel! You don't need one on the interface. Who cares!
I never touch the screen for volume I just use the one on the steering wheel works great no problems. People say that it's not responsive enough but I have never had an issue seems like a dumb thing to get obsessed over.
I have a 2019 Hyundai veloster turbo ultimate and i don't hear any creaking in the sunroof even during 10 degree F and as for the seat moving by itself that is 100% a factory defect and can be easily fixed by notifying your honda dealer
Funny that you mention the VT seat raising every time you drove it. My 2019 r spec does the same thing only it lowers by itself. Even had it lower while I was sitting in it and I only weigh 195 so it can’t be me lol. It’s like it has a mind of its own and the “fantom seat” label you gave it is definitely accurate 😂
The word of the day is 'chuckable'... Civic's 2inch longer wheelbase isn't going to be as chuckable but much more forgiving and ideal for 4 dr. Personally, I'd buy the Civic LX 6mt (surprisingly I already own lol) and use the $9379 (vs Si) in savings for a family summer vacation. This comparison is too important not to get some track time. Hope you guys get around to it.
@@psewgobind it won't be close, the type r is going to dumpster it... but it's not a fair comparison. The type r is effectively $40k out the door. I bet you could get an N for $32k out the door without too much issue. That's such a huge difference in cost.
Hey guys, I just wanted to leave a hopefully helpful comment. I came across your videos a couple days ago and I really like them. But your audio mix has way too much sub bass. It's not an issue with most headphones or laptop/tablet/phone speakers. But with good headphones it's kind of annoying, and with my home system it makes your videos unwatchable; my subs are booming so much with the constant drone of road noise during the driving sections that stuff on my shelves are rattling nonstop. If you're editing with general headphones, you probably don't notice. I would request you to roll off the bass on your audio mix below about 30Hz, as that would make a world of difference for me personally and anybody else with the same issues. I recognize that this is basically peak first world problems, and I normally wouldn't even mention it as I don't want you to change your whole workflow just based on one person's niche scenario. But it's really the only thing keeping me from enjoying your videos right now when I watch on my home TV or with my good headphones. Otherwise, the content is great and far above your subscriber level.
Hey Paul. Thanks for the feedback. I don’t hear this frequency with my speakers or headphones so that’s good feedback. Is it specifically the in car portions? And is it on James’s and mine mike. Or just one or the other.
Throttle House Thanks for the reply. It’s mainly the driving sections, I think because of the low frequency road and engine drone. And it happens with both of you. Honestly, this video wasn’t too bad. And I’ve been watching more of your videos and it’s hit or miss. The M5 vs Demon One Track mind isn’t that bad, either. The CX-3 vs Kona and RS3 vs M2 vs Camaro videos have been the worst so far. The Nexo video is sort of in the middle. If I can get time tomorrow I can probably take some measurements in my audio software to see what jumps out (like I said, I’m expecting some peaks in the
the veloster doesn't make you throw your head back when you hit the gas give me a brake. lmao. Plus it's not good to floor it from 6 gear on yonder 3000 rpms js
I don't like the new veloster turbos. I have a Veloster Turbo Ultimate Package 2013 & people still give me wild looks when I pull up. It's curvyer & not boxy like the newer ones... and all Tron blue accents & gages instead of red which every car has. Annnd I get a free new engine from Hyundai so only 11k miles! Best car I've owned & it's like a secret club because you just don't see many of them & they are so unique looking. Plus so much space inside for a small car on the outside.
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Did you say Type R at the beginning of the video?
Oh James dont even ger me started about Rose and the Titanic. Her boobs took up more room than poor Jack. There was enough room. So irritated
Wow. You said type r at the beginning AND thought the passenger vent was functional. It’s cut out for the horn guys. If you’re gonna do these videos can you at least get your facts straight?
Lol ok. For the last time I said “the BABY BROTHERS of the Veloster N and Honda Civic Type R.
@@ThrottleHouseAh. Yes you did
I actually love the look of the Civic coupe. It's the first Civic I've liked in many years. I wish they did the Type R with the coupe model.
i want the opposite lol, i want a hatchback si
Coupe is literally so ugly
The coupe is dead now, F in the chat
Same as you
@@HH-gm9nz in my opinion looks good
Actually, the front “vent” on the Si is for the horn, not airflow
Why bother? Not like other cars have holes for the horn. It just creates more drag.
Edit: there are regulations on how loud the horn should be. Kinda dumb you need a hole though, unlike most manufacturers.
They had a chance.........
Never driven the Hyundai, but have driven my buddy’s 2018 si coupe. I think that si is seriously under rated, car is awesome! (I drive a fiesta st). With that being said, I am personally more interested in the Hyundai. I like seeing the brand become a serious contender. If I could help it at all though I’d pay the extra fee grand for the N.
Omg this episode was great. I wake up with you guys on my phone as a ringtone. Lmao. You guys literally help me through the day. I watch you when I wake up and I watch you On my way! To work, I watch you on my ten o’clock break and lunch break I watch you On my way home from work and after dinner and I listen to you as I fall asleep and your episodes remain on repeat in my EarPods through the night. Thanks guys you rock!!!!!!!! Go veloster
id get the veloster hands down. i have a 2016 and i love it. it is definetly different from anything else and it turns heads.
The SI is a lot better. I test drove both cars and the SI is sitting in the driveway. It does have a strange clutch if you're trying to drive around grandma but if you're driving with a little agression, the clutch, gearbox and brakes are perfect.
17:23 Great to see Honda kept those big ass heavy doors...coming from a 2015 Civic Si owner. Can't tell you how many times this has happened to me.
If 10 years ago someone told me hyundai had a civic s.i. contender id laugh till 2018. Wow how has hyundi grown.
I’m trying to figure out if I’m too old for a lime green Si. I’m still going to wait to see how the 86 turns out for the next gen. I’ve been driving a Ford Fusion SE with the 1.5l for 5 years. Everything is more fun then that.
The Si will always be King in this price range.
2020 civic SI selling for 30k in CA Veloster N with PP almost same price.
Honda Civic is better
@ 15:12, "weeee!!! calm down" lmao
You guys and the straight pipes have rejuvenated my love for cars. Plus savage geese, the OG
And carwow for me
Brian SatoriVEVO carwow? seriously? they are the opposite of wow
@@briansatorivevo6627 carwow is for kids.
@@Gandalf721 how DARE you
Matt Moran is fun too
When did paying 30k become inexpensive???
Inflation is real
Crazyyy
@Sergio Aguirre maybe if you live in a shitty not-California state.
Just to add in. it's 30K CAD
@Sergio Aguirre not really. My rent is more than most non-Californian mortgages. I have a Bachelor's in Bioengineering from an ABET accredited university with a salaried job making good money, but 30k is unrealistic. So, politely, stfu. I bet you couldn't even afford it if you tried.
These Honda Civic Si’s and Hyundai Veloster Turbo/Elantra Sport are the two best value sporty everyday cars on the market rn that will run forever. As a hatchback user that values real cargo space, the Veloster Turbo would probably be the choice, but as you said, the Honda Civic Si outmatches the Veloster slightly in just almost every aspect. And I do think the Si’s manual shifter is better than Veloster’s, reverse gear should always be away from the driver.
Everybody sings the Subaru WRX swan song until their headgaskets blow and they have to fill up for gas. Everybody sings for the Corolla Hatchback and Mazda3 until it takes them ten agonizing seconds just to reach 60 mph and they get out-maneuvered while merging in traffic by a V6 minivan. Say what you want about the Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86 being the best affordable lightweight sports coupe, but like the Mazda miata you just can’t have any friends or family members without leaving them in a parking lot
Underrated comment right here
Hyundai isn't gonna last forever.
Very well said!!!
Beautiful
@Gianni Green eyes Wow, seeing you everywhere, Hyundai zealot.
The Veloster steering wheel/ instrument dials combo looks like a really happy dog with its tongue hanging out.
Love the dual style of this car Vlog keeping a vs video in mind! The comparison comes across perfectly and the transition is seamless! You guys did a fab job putting this together! Liking and following you from now on and will look forward to new vs videos from you chaps. Bravo!
Cost 6k more than a civic si but I can bet money in 5 years, the civic si will have a higher resale value than the Hyundai.
the veloster turbo r-spec is the Si equivilent, so the veloster is cheaper
Hyundai/Kia has always been a better value and they are catching up in long-term reliability and resale (the mag ratings change quarterly), but historically Honda/Toyota still has better long-term value.
@Noise Control so fucking old wana say anything new???? Been 60 yrs. And still??? Omg
@Noise Control 2x is an exaggeration, but I generally agree. That's why my past 4 new car purchases were all Hondas, but my point is the Koreans are catching up in long-term reliability and resale. Parity is not that far off.
Ya, for the same reason iPhones have higher resale value then androids, cause people think the Honda is better, simply for the fact it's a Honda. Hyundai has waaaaayyyy more reliable cars then honda, just like there are a thousand phones better then the iPhone, but people are stupid, so they will pay more for less
damn that veloster looks better and sporty, the civic looks like a grandpa car, he doesn't called it a corola for nothing.. at least you can pretend to be in a sport car thanks to the rear wing !
Like savagegeese, this channel deserves way more subs and attention. Super honest and non-bias
Facts. These guys are next level. They inspire me daily
...They are like Canadian geese 🇨🇦. James still complains to much about trivial stuff, but most info is useful.
GTIGolf’18 Agreed, they are creating great content.
TheStraightPipes!!!
Savagegeese , is annoying. Always complaining
I randomly stumbled across this video when looking for a car to take to college and these were infact my two choices. Very helpful video and I think I am going to go with the Veloster!
How has the veloster treated you?
@@Priceless406 Its really good! Fun, fast and cheap. Fuel economy is really good and if you spend some extra cash on a cold air intake its spools amazing
Decided to reflect on how Throttle House's production improved over two+ years. The old stuff is still so fun, entertaining, and genuinely good. Their 2021 videos are produced by Michael Bay.
I purchased the Si sedan a month ago as my daily. The Hondata flash makes a world of difference in waking up the engine. It’s how it should have come from the factory now. But I think it’s a great all around car that can’t be beat for the money.
Did you eliminate the rev hang thats my big problem with the car when i test drove it
SavagexRaccoon It still has rev hang after the base tune was installed. I’ve gotten used to it and for daily driving it doesn’t bother me much. What bothered me much more was the engine running out of steam after 5k. But the tune is so good that it makes the stock setting feel very underpowered in comparison.I’ve modified and tracked Honda’s for 25 years and these new turbo engines are nice for the street but lack the sharpness and excitement of the old NA engines for track work and fun runs. My sons Type R is a lot of fun but it needs a loud mode from the factory. Another must have for the Si is the gas pedal relocate kit from Acuity which makes heel toe a breeze. But I do enjoy the Si as a daily and have zero regrets buying it. In my opinion it’s a no brainer for the price.
I have Ktuner. And it is night and day from factory tune to Ktuner or hondata. Wakes the car up.
Yep. ‘18 Si here with the Hondata base tune. Gives it an excellent kick in the pants.
This aint new. Any car after tuned wakes the car up 😂😂 stop the hype
Just picked up my 2019 Veloster Turbo and I love it, its different than what everyone else has. I have owned alot of different civics and other hondas but this car is a nice change. My heart will always love a H22 prelude though.
Tom, what you don't like about the Si shifter could be the rubber bushings in the shifter base and shift linkage ends. When you replace those with with solid bushings you get a much more direct feel. Feels like it goes into gear a lot more positively. Great videos you guys, keep up the great work repping Ontario!
what i like about the veloster is that they are WAY more unique and you dont see them on the road as often as civics
Korean crap their in the shop.
AMERIKSOCCRCLUB totally agree. Veloster all day long for me
T salinger1026 34k miles in on a 2016 r-spec that I’ve taken to the track a few times, no lights or problems at all so far
There is a reason for that. How many Indy 500s have Hyundai won? Oh yeah zero. They are junk bro.
Because their always in the shop
I was all about buying the Civic si coupe last year but decided to wait for the 2019 Veloster r-spec... Im happy i waited. $1000 cheaper, b&m shifter , engine and exhaust sound amazing compared to the civic.. Better sound system(infinity) and I will have a car that is unique from most on the road... Everyone has a civic on the road... same as mustang and camaro... just following the crowd! I like a car with unique styling thats different from all the others...
Well in this case people choose wise so no point on arguing their decision (on getting civics)
But the Veloster is so ugly. I’d be embarrassed to drive it every day :/
Trevon Adams they’re everywhere in my town
That's great...but after a couple thousand miles when it's in the shop doing what Hyundai's do...Honda is much better long-term value. Plus the 2020 So addressed a lot of their complaints and is a much better car.
Idk about Honda’s being better, I’ve had two civics lemon blow up gasket overheating pieces of crap
Great vid once again. I'd have to take the Veloster! Even tho civic has proven themselves. A little better at this a little better at that but everyone has it. The Veloster is just so cool & different. When i pull up in that weird orange reddish color with 3 doors, everyone is saying what is that. Not so much in a boring Honda civic
I dont look at cool veloster in my boring civic type r😆
The Veloster looks so good now. Just looks like a quality hot hatch from Japan should. But now i think the Koreans might be making better looking, bolder cars. I think it looks fast in an understated way and has an agressive stance to it. The Honda just looks like a Honda with a plastic spoiler on it to signify that its a "sports car".
Likely to get better discount on the Hyundai then Honda.
I know the comment was a year ago, but this is still FACTS and even more so with the 2020 models. I am debating between these two and even though the Civic is faster, I love the uniqueness and the killer price of the Veloster. I'm going to try to get the veloster. Hopefully I get a good discount on labor day, wish me luck!
@@Sunite did you get that discount?
@@Sunite so hard to find one now a days in the USA sadly, I enjoy my 2019 turbo but would love to get the new 2021 N
Just spent 2 days test driving both of these and trying to get the best deal for these. And i honestly much preferred the veloster. The civic although it was just as quick it didnt feel as comfortable to push to the red line. The veloster seemed to do it way smoother (with the 7 speed dual clutch auto) and the interior was much nicer in the veloster. Both were very fun little cars but personally i much preferred the veloster. (The $1500 i saved by buying the veloster are just a small bonus)
Have a Civic Si. I am relatively old for the target market but have to drive a lot and don't have the ability to have an electric car. The Civic Si makes me money on mileage and is a blast to drive in the city traffic. Very excited to go out in the country with it next week and drive the Coronado Trail. I don't care about big engine noise and such, in fact would rather it be less than more because I drive a lot. I could have a more expensive car, but the Civic goes all in on conveniences in its design giving more than cars 30% more expensive. I did a lot of research before buying and am in love this car.
If you go on the CivicX forum you will come across a lot of guys in their 50s and 60s singing the praises of their Si.
01:39 The side profile and the rear looks so frikkin sick on the civic si. The rear of the veloster definitely does look aggressive with its exhaust and spoiler but the SI's side profile, spoiler and tail lamps just takes your breath away!
After months of researching, I chose a 2018 civic si recently. Your reviews definitely helped! I definitely love the Si, but my biggest complaint is the exhaust is so quite.. more than likely will go aftermarket, but besides that it is a solid car with good performance.
man i love this channel. this intro really had me laughing this time with the leaping hug 😂
I’m glad to see so many car UA-camrs testing and celebrating the Veloster Turbo and N models. While I’ve never driven one, I’ve always thought the Veloster was a near little car, and probably misunderstood and underrated. Thankfully, the world has embraced fun, zippy, and practical small cars again, and cars like this are getting their due.
alot of people say "resale" value makes the honda better. This is true for years 05-15. Hyundais we crappy throw away cars that were selling at the time for as low as 8k. fast forward to our current day models. THEY ARE BUILT BY AUDI DESIGNERS NOW! resale on a hyundai base model is not good even to this date but has improved nearly 17% over 2016-17 and 23% for 2017-18. This upward trend started when hyundai started producing sleeker safer and all around more value for you buck. If we fast forward a few more years, these sport models, and N model tuner cars are going to hold value long into the future, especially if hyundai does limited runs. I also own an Elantra Sport tech 2018. Amazing car and it has a turbo and comes track tuned. These are perfect.......CHEAP..........tuner cars. Give hyundai a few more years and they will establish an even stronger brand in the americas and all these older models will go up in value as time goes on. TRUST ME. its not my first rodeo.
@@GROGU123 Elantra N-line and tuscon N-line are both 4 door. I own a 2018 Elantra sport 4 door 1.6 gamma turbo. Veloster N is the only 3door concept they make.
Even if you can directly correlate design influence to resale value....since when does an audi hold its resale value more than a honda.....
@@GROGU123 I didn't mean design, i meant design influence. as in if it was "designed by german makes" or "designed by audi" very rarely affects depreciation. Like you said, if audi did make very safe, and very reliable car that would dictate higher resale, but that does not mean that just because "it was designed by audi" means that resale will go up like what the original comment indicates.
@@skifree0 the problem with both is reliablility which has improved vastly in the latest models so in a few more years these models with hold up against domestic and japanese imports. hyundai has come a long way since 2008. can you actually say they havent?
@@dnomadlethal744 At least from my experience no. I owned a 13 optima with the 2.4L.
within 3 years and 90,000km, I have had a broken door latch, broken heated seat, a full longblock replacement (they found metal shavings during that theta II engine recall), and a pretty hefty oil burning issue that was never fully diagnosed before I got rid of it
To me it was a fun car that looked amazing (probably some of the best work Peter Schreyer has done ) but I still remember back in 2013 Kia/Hyundai already had the beginnings of that reliability name behind them. To be saying they have come along way from 2008, was the EXACT same thought I had when I bought one in 2013, And it just didn't deliver.
I pick Veloster! Civic is too long and the trunk is too small! Also, I've driven both and I prefer the Veloster. And actually, I like the 7-speed DCT. I didn't think I would. But I do. :-)
I know I'm late but if there's a chance you will respond, why do you prefer the 7 speed DCT over the manual? Just wondering, I'm currently debating between a veloster and a civic hatchback :-)
@@Sunite Although my wife can drive a manual, she's prefers not to. I wanted a car that we could not only share, but one we would both love. I still have my old manual Fiat 500 sport. So I get my shifting kicks from that car. But honestly. I just love driving the VT so much more now! It is so awesome!
Facts
Honda should go back to building high revving naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engines.
Yea I think I agree. I love a good high revving NA engine.
Emissions says no
@@ThrottleHouse Me too. :)
They've gotten quite good at ruining engines with rev hang though.
They wont cause of regulations and not what their focus groups like
Ill go with Si. Put hondata then ur good to go!
you misspelled ktuner
I mean hondata or ktuner hahaha
eberzen lopez robles that’s correct buddy civic si all the way
@@vzdragon I got ktuner for my 9th gen, one the best choices I made with my life
Ari Fleming No rev hang?
14:01 - I've had the Civic for three years and I've already use this one several times.
Just bought a Veloster 2weeks ago and I'm in love! ❤️
@SPA GHET 25k!!! 😉
@SPA GHET believe it or not the 2020 model!
A Hyundai Louisiana dealership lol
@SPA GHET yes
Si wins on principle for its Differental. That's on top of all the other reasons why it's better.
ive been going back and forth between the civic si and the veloster r-spec. this video has been very informative
IMO, theyre both good and you wont be disappointed with either. Personally I would get the Veloster but thats my choice. Neither is wrong.
Hyundai will be offering N performance parts for Veloster in the future as well as carbon fiber body parts, interior upgrades etc for those interested. They just finilized I30Ns parts. They were shown at the Paris auto show, link here: ua-cam.com/video/vRXelYoQXYs/v-deo.html
Well, I love the shifter in my 2019 Si.
Dude I really don't want to get a civic but it just makes so much sense :/
Gas mileage lower insurance trust me life isn’t all about the flashy things but the things that make you enjoy life itself
The transmission and helical differential alone make it one of the most capable fwd cars on the market 💪
@@bobbyaustralia8509 lol love your channel name
I owned the first Honda Civic S, the 1983 Honda Civic S. I loved it. 67 horsepower, really good looking interior in red and black, exterior in red, Ultra fun to drive. New Civic is unbuyable because it is so damn ugly. It's like a nice girl that you meet but she is so revolting when you look at her that you can't stand to be in her presence.
Fantastic review guys, what most people are looking for. Subscribed. I was looking at both of these cars as well as others, (which you also mentioned) and came to a happy conclusion. Keep it up.
Hate this sort of review. Should have brought both cars into track and run 3 laps. Stop blah blah blah talking about interior and it electronic gadget.
Maybe some of us simply want a fun, sporty, practical car for under $30k to commute to work, run for groceries, and drive to dinner. My '14 Focus ST was recently totaled, got a '18 Fusion Platinum with the settlement (was a bargain). Now I am missing the pleasure of driving. And now my car now looks like every Sonata, Camry, etc out there. So, I am more interested in driving impressions than lap times.
I'm probably a bit biased on this because I have a 2016 Veloster Turbo...so my pick is the Veloster
In the US, you can find the Veloster Turbo Ultimate Manual for the same MSRP of the Si. The Si in the US is not optioned as well as Canada, no Nav or LEDs so the Veloster is much better equipped. Not to mention the Si Sedan is just hideous from the rear with the tacked on oversized fake plastic vents. The Si sounds like a lawn mower or something whereas the Veloster sounds much better even though it is "enhanced" I still prefer that.
Just finished driving both, I prefer the Si for a better driving experience. I also prefer the Civic Si coupe for looks. Civic Si Sedans are strange looking. Fun little cars.
@@viprdude I test drove both and I enjoyed the Veloster turbo better actually haha, I think that these cars are so similar in performance that it really is just a matter of taste
Veloster N is just 30k usd. I'll get that over both
That's nice, but that's $6k higher than the Si. You're in an entirely different bracket.
@@BPHoldfire the Veloster n starts at $28k
It’s funny how Hyundai did the Veloster N, it’s like half a bracket above something like the SI and half a bracket below something like an STI/Type R.
@@tinyman392 to me it's a brilliant move, though. The type r being held hostage above MSRP in SoCal means the N is going to really cut into their sales, I think.
Veloster N starts at $27,785. So it only cost a little more than the Si. Way better than Veloster Turbo and Civic Si, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the Civic Type R.
Bought me a veloster R spec over the Si.
Good luck with that. It will not hold up as long.
@Tony Botchagaloop
Their autos aren't the best, but the manuals should be bullet proof. Just as any decent manual should be.
@Tony Botchagaloop
Considering I rarely hear any transmission problems from Honda, there's nothing for me to say. 'what you got to say about that?'
14:02 Don’t apologize James, that was a solid pun.
The velosters booty is wide and low so the seats and trunk are surprisingly wide and deep. The engine bay is small so there’s a lot of leg room in the front. Moving the seats forward a bit for a second passenger or third passenger (though preferably 2 max due to driver seating position. I’m 5’6” and a smaller person would be cramped sitting behind me.) I work in construction in LA. My trunk is loaded with 3 bags of tools and then some and i have some room to spare back there. The car doesn’t feel weighed down driving it though my tools aren’t that heavy. I absolutely adore it and have plans to keep it for future track days and modifications
When I look inthe rear view mirror in my Fiero GT and see the spoiler, I feel like I'm in a Lambo Diablo.
Pontiac Fiasco!
The enthusiast version of the base car is the R-spec. It’s a bit fast than the ultimate/Tech model due to weight saving
doing its "civic duty" lol
I agree though, love the apple carplay (apple maps), definitely increases safety
@7:23 Veloster lost.
@8:27 NEVER TAKE A HAND OFF THE WHEEL!!!
NEVER!!!!
One is a hatch back, one is s coupe. Get it straight. Just ask yourself, when someone says "blow the hatch!" and you climb out the trunk from sitting in the back seat... then, it's a hatch. If you open the trunk, and the back glass stays fixed, it's not a hatch. Number of doors have nothing to do with being or not being a hatch, that's nonsense. One is hot hatch, one is a hot coupe... if hot coupe exists... I'll take a hatch over a coupe any day.
The back seats fold down in the coupe from handles in the trunk. So, in practicality, same to me, exception being rear window not a part of the rear lid.
Did they just say the Veloster interior is better than the civic si interior? The Veloster is full plastic econo car interior with a thick black bordered 20 yr old Garmin style nav slapped on. Civic SI all day IMO
Totally go SI. Better steering is always more fun.
Car Fun With Dad & Son + Gas in the oil FTW!!!
Yes sir you are absolutely right, at least in my humble opinion. I love the way that car steers.
Agree. from comparing a Type-R (306 hp) vs. Veloster N (275hp), Type-R is still FASTER!.
@@kenwong6536 actually it isn't. www.fiawtcr.com/standings/
@@kenwong6536 power is not everything. My fz6r motorcycle has only 86hp but will smoke a civic si.
The Veloster is only 25k new?? Damn!
I really agree about the lack of aural drama in the newer Si! I got an 8th gen last month mostly because of the aural drama and edginess associated with an 8k+ redline.
It was also way cheaper and the depreciation will be a lot lower as its old anyway.
I would much rather have a 2 L naturally aspirated engine than a turbo.
I chose the 2019 Si Coupe. Because volume knob ;)
I'm looking to get one soon. But the sedan. And in crystal black pearl.
Lukeamania That’s EXACTLY what I’m looking to get, although the Hyundai is a strong contender. Did you get the Si?
Funny thing is...you can pick up an R-spec Veloster which is probably the better buy at around 20-21k...or at least that's what they're going for at my local dealer.
I bought my son a 2018 Civic Si and a couple of weeks ago, I took my 2007 S2000 out and raced him. Surprising how fast the Si is, sure he wasn't able to keep up with the S2000, but it did a pretty good job of doing so.
Sounds like a fun garage!
Should make your son buy his own god dam car
of course the S2000 faster. It's got more horsepower, higher displacement, rear-wheel drive, and different gear ratios.
@@probegt75 It was his graduation present for getting his B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and not causing his old man any headaches.
Rick Funk must be nice
Civic SI is played out it's been played out ever since the 90s I'll be happy to see it Go with no problem 🤣🤣
Civic
Since I am 62, long past the age of "Want to have fun and only fun" I'd certainly buy the Veloster. Fun mixed with comfort is the ultimate pleasure of life for me! (I drive a Genesis G80, 3.8V6, and it's almost paradise!)
G80 is a great car.
Always take a Honda.
Always take a Hyundai or a Kia, best quality and bang for the buck, and superb warranty to.
@@stockey warranty from kia cant be beat but the Honda is coarsely superior in terms of performance, reliability, styling and features
Where should we take it?? Im low in gas and you need a jacket.
I couldn't imagine picking a regular Veloster over the N Version....But in the case of the Civic, 10/10 would take the Si over the Type R.
I have the new 2019 Veloster turbo and hands down one of the best driving and handling cars
Not better than the civic though
José Antonio the Civic is trash lmao worked for Honda drive one work at Hyundai now and own a veloster faster funner to drive and handles way better than that junk si
Gaaaaa!!! 22 minutes and not a single shot of them side by side or back to back for size comparison.
Show more interior & actually race the cars. Thanks
Been driving the 2019 Veloster Turbo for a year now - sooooo much fun!
i must have watched this video a dozen times. it helped me make my decision. went with a veloster r-spec. having a lot of fun with it
R specs have different engine maps look it up on dyno
Same
R-spec gang
Edgar Agapay congrats on the new car
Would you still make the same choice today? I am torn between the SI and a Veloster R Spec or maybe even the Veloster N.... I would appreciate your honest opinion having owned your Veloster for a while now.
.... And what do you normally get in mpg if not driving like a hooligan?
Ima Honda guy but these new civics look like shit! I like the turbo setup but it just looks hideous!
I'd probably pick the Veloster. Like he said, the Korean coupe beats the civic in every measure aside from performance response. These can be improved, however. New exhaust, an ECU flash, some better tires and lowered springs would pep it up tremendously. Plus it looks better.
The Veloster is much faster though.
Nahh…Honda is way better than Hyundai, sorry.
@@lizakoronovsky227 N’s are faster tho
Civic coupe is one of the ugliest cars i have seen, plus Honda's wheels suck right now.
Every reviewer has a problem with Honda's lack of volume knob. It's so strange. Do all reviewers get a script to say that? The volume "knob" is on the steering wheel! You don't need one on the interface. Who cares!
Thank you sir
@@FSAPOJake Just use the button on the steering wheel. I have no problem doing so in my Si.
They cared enough to change it for my19
I never touch the screen for volume I just use the one on the steering wheel works great no problems. People say that it's not responsive enough but I have never had an issue seems like a dumb thing to get obsessed over.
I mean, I got the 21k one and I have a volume knob. Lol
I have a 2019 Hyundai veloster turbo ultimate and i don't hear any creaking in the sunroof even during 10 degree F and as for the seat moving by itself that is 100% a factory defect and can be easily fixed by notifying your honda dealer
Good to know!
I have a 2019 1.6 turbo veloster and love it
Anas Gohobur he probbably work for it
@@laflammechristophe4548 lol i know right? like he won it in a raffle
Funny that you mention the VT seat raising every time you drove it. My 2019 r spec does the same thing only it lowers by itself. Even had it lower while I was sitting in it and I only weigh 195 so it can’t be me lol. It’s like it has a mind of its own and the “fantom seat” label you gave it is definitely accurate 😂
Honda....comon...
Just drive and u literally hear the difference between the engine sound
3:14 as men this is all we need
The word of the day is 'chuckable'... Civic's 2inch longer wheelbase isn't going to be as chuckable but much more forgiving and ideal for 4 dr. Personally, I'd buy the Civic LX 6mt (surprisingly I already own lol) and use the $9379 (vs Si) in savings for a family summer vacation.
This comparison is too important not to get some track time. Hope you guys get around to it.
We will likely bring out the N and Type R if we do the track.
The civic would torch the veloster on any track. Cars are more than just a spec sheet. The new civic chassis is brilliant.
The N vs R battle is going to be epic. I'm looking forward to it. I'm betting on the N
@@psewgobind it won't be close, the type r is going to dumpster it... but it's not a fair comparison. The type r is effectively $40k out the door. I bet you could get an N for $32k out the door without too much issue. That's such a huge difference in cost.
Dude the veloster N is a real hot hatch. They did that thing right. 250hp base model. 275 hp performance model.
Yes but it costs more, the videos comparing budget fun cars
Hey guys, I just wanted to leave a hopefully helpful comment. I came across your videos a couple days ago and I really like them. But your audio mix has way too much sub bass. It's not an issue with most headphones or laptop/tablet/phone speakers. But with good headphones it's kind of annoying, and with my home system it makes your videos unwatchable; my subs are booming so much with the constant drone of road noise during the driving sections that stuff on my shelves are rattling nonstop. If you're editing with general headphones, you probably don't notice. I would request you to roll off the bass on your audio mix below about 30Hz, as that would make a world of difference for me personally and anybody else with the same issues.
I recognize that this is basically peak first world problems, and I normally wouldn't even mention it as I don't want you to change your whole workflow just based on one person's niche scenario. But it's really the only thing keeping me from enjoying your videos right now when I watch on my home TV or with my good headphones. Otherwise, the content is great and far above your subscriber level.
Hey Paul. Thanks for the feedback. I don’t hear this frequency with my speakers or headphones so that’s good feedback. Is it specifically the in car portions? And is it on James’s and mine mike. Or just one or the other.
Throttle House Thanks for the reply. It’s mainly the driving sections, I think because of the low frequency road and engine drone. And it happens with both of you.
Honestly, this video wasn’t too bad. And I’ve been watching more of your videos and it’s hit or miss. The M5 vs Demon One Track mind isn’t that bad, either. The CX-3 vs Kona and RS3 vs M2 vs Camaro videos have been the worst so far. The Nexo video is sort of in the middle.
If I can get time tomorrow I can probably take some measurements in my audio software to see what jumps out (like I said, I’m expecting some peaks in the
Thanks. Let me know.
the veloster doesn't make you throw your head back when you hit the gas give me a brake. lmao. Plus it's not good to floor it from 6 gear on yonder 3000 rpms js
I own the si in black. I love the LSD and active dampening.
the lsd and active dampening are legitimate reasons to purchase this car, ESPECIALLY in the $24k Range.
I don't like the new veloster turbos. I have a Veloster Turbo Ultimate Package 2013 & people still give me wild looks when I pull up. It's curvyer & not boxy like the newer ones... and all Tron blue accents & gages instead of red which every car has. Annnd I get a free new engine from Hyundai so only 11k miles! Best car I've owned & it's like a secret club because you just don't see many of them & they are so unique looking. Plus so much space inside for a small car on the outside.
Honda all the way!
Honda’s quality is better than Hyundai
Thanks for rooting for Honda🍾🍾🍾
@@kenwong6536 What about the oil dilution problems?
Pretty sure you can get the Hyundai Veloster N with 250 hp for the same price as the Civic Si. So why is this even a comparison?
No it's like $5k usd more and horsepower isn't everything
I'll pick my 2019 Si over a Veloster any day
Yessir!
I'd get the Veloster because 1) fanboy and 2) double the warranty.