It's time to move on from Persona 5
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I will never forget the excitement I felt opening up Persona 5 for the very first time. Believe it or not there was a point in time where it felt like this game was never going to come out. I got into Persona back when P4 was the hot craze and I remember obsessing over the release of this game. I read every article I could, scouring for a release date, but made extra sure to avoid those PV trailers so I could go in as spoiler-free as possible. After years of delays and avoiding any Japanese leaks like the plague, the game was finally in my hands and yeah, it felt pretty cathartic. I still remember a friend and I cutting class to play this on launch day. That’s right, as my academics rose in the game, my real-life grades suffered a little bit. Not the best idea in hindsight but hey, we all do dumb stuff when we were young. Finishing Persona 5 for the first time left me feeling a lot of satisfaction. While I thought Persona 4 was still the better game, all things considered, P5 is a great game when all is said and done. But this isn’t what I want to focus on today.
I’ve talked about this game for literal hours over the course of this channel's life. I’ve said basically all that needs to be said about the game at this point so going into any more detail would be a little excessive. So for today, we’re going to shake things up a bit and focus on a different topic entirely. Instead of doing another critique of Persona 5 the game, I want to instead talk about Persona 5 the legacy, and how I feel as though over the years, I feel as though my relationship with this game has shifted. And not in the way that Atlus probably wanted it to. Yeah, this is going to be one of those videos. So strap in folks because today, we’re going to be reflecting on Persona 5’s spinoff era and discussing why it’s time to move on.
Persona 5. It's time to move on from Persona 5. In this Persona 5 Analysis, Persona 5 Review, Persona 5 Critique, I explain why Persona 5 has overstayed its welcome and how It's time to move on from Persona 5. Since Persona 5 Tactica and Persona 3 Reload are right around the corner, I thought it was no better time than now to revisit Persona 5 and explain why it's time to move on from Persona 5. Persona 5, much like Persona 4, received a lot of spin-offs like Persona 5 Strikers, Persona 5 Dancing, Persona Q2, and now Persona 5 Tactica. Nam's Compendium has made a Persona 5 Analysis, Persona 5 Review, and Persona 5 Critique in the past but this is not any of those. Rather it's a Persona 5 Retrospective. You should watch Nam's Compendium Persona 5 Analysis before this one to get some context. It's time to move on from Persona 5 is one of the best videos by Nam's Compendium. - Ігри
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no
why not?@@SleepingFumos
No
But I can never move on from P5R.
I can’t wait for Tactica to come out and have a story where the main characters form a bond with these quirky new characters made specifically for the game but none of it will matter because they’ll forget everything by the end so the status quo can be kept and anything that these characters possibly learned or felt is completely pointless.
Thank you for putting towards just what frustrates me so much what you spin-offs when they spend so much time on new characters and their relationships and development with the phantom thieves only to revert it right at the end, so we'll never hear from any of them again. Really just feels like a waste of time on our part for being invested in in the first place
I really wish we had more like 4A, 4D, and I think 5S? where it actually is a follow up that can count for something at all
Everytime you close a book, the characters dies. Everytime you open it, they back to the beginning. And throughout the whole book, all the adventures and lessons and hardships the characters endure, are nothing but a string of text about a story that is just a fabrication.
I don't think the fact that the characters "forget by the end" or "it never really happened" changes anything, because no work of fiction really happened at the end of the day. What really matters is the story it tells the reader, since you reading a book and seeing and believing the characters hardships, that is a real, and nothing can change that
@@invertebrado There's a point in this, but there's a difference between starting up the beginning of a book vs opening up a new book with the same characters and it going "LMAO" and kinda just accidentally pissing on the last book.
Persona 5 Strikers goes hard, and I’d argue that part of the reason why it is generally considered to be the best spin-off in the series is *because* it doesn’t revert everything by the end and actually functions more as a sequel than a spin-off.
I’ll still play and most likely enjoy Tactica, but…yeah, the formula is real and it’s getting real old.
"Too many spinoffs watering down your brand? Wow, what a terrible problem to have."
-P1 and P2, probably
Which is ironic when considering SMT if and P2 have some of the first mobile games
Who even are you
-Atlus probably
@@J.aime_le_pain181 Meguro you mean
According to leaks ASA will have everyone in it and they’re planning remakes for 1-2
By that logic mainline smt also has this issue, Persona included because smt has a bunch of brand spinoffs???
I think Atlus is going to return to p1 and 2 after the release of p3 reload and the inevitable persona 6, I'd also hope for a potential smt 1 and 2 remake but being as it is now, smt has been put on the back burner since persona has taken over which is not a bad thing necessarily
My biggest worry for Persona 6 (If it even happens) is that a lot of fans will be expecting it to be like Persona 5. When I really want 6 to have it's own identity and stand out. 5 was many people's intro to Persona and that's great, but I'm worried that Atlus will feel pressured to make it like 5 and therefore we'll basically just have yet another Persona 5 game.
agreed
Wasn't 5 already similar to 4 lol
@Nahobinoah All Persona games are similar, that's not my point. Persona 5 changed so much of the formula with it's style, tone, combat, and dungeon design. Persona 5 relies heavily on high stakes and hype, which is awesome and I love it but my main point is that I'm hoping Persona 6 to be quite different to that and therefore obtain it's own identity. If you look at Persona 3, 4, and 5 they all have their own distinct presentation and vibe. However, given how popular Persona 5 is and how it basically brought Persona into the mainstream and sold more than any persona game selling around 7 million more copies than Persona 4, I'm just worried that Atlus will feel pressured to make 6 far more like 5 than anything else. This is all just my hypothesis though, we'll see what happens I guess.
It will probably be a repackaged 5, yeah, I’m not expecting anything very different. If tears of the kingdom ended up the way it did being the hit BotW was, it’ll be very like Persona 5. Hunker down
P6 will have its own identity, don’t worry about this!
Since P3 Atlus found it’s persona formula. I hope that they can open up the game a little more, they create this wonderful word, but limit us a bit to much. I don’t want to change the core focused gameplay, just have more space to do things and enjoy the social links with more time and freedom.
Persona have something great going on, but there is always to improve and evolve the formula.
The sad truth about Persona 5 is that you can’t ever replicated Persona 5. You can add onto it, but you can’t have the same characters or the same comfort without losing something. Persona 5 ends on a note that tells the audience that the characters are gonna grow, even without you seeing it. And while its nice to see what its like after the first story, I can’t help but feel its undone when these characters are constantly shifted back to their stereotypical selves. You can have sequels and spin offs, but you can’t have them be persona 5 but “different”. Atlus can’t have their cake and eat it too.
"And while its nice to see what its like after the first story, I can’t help but feel its undone when these characters are constantly shifted back to their stereotypical selves."
Totally , they told you that but they are still continue to create story for them..
Can't wait for the Persona 5 spinoff where the phantom thieves are in a nursing home reminiscing about the old days and how they miss morgana who's been dead for over 40 years. It's gonna be great.
@@nikorasub1410 this isn’t to say they can’t create good stories with them. Like Nam mentions, Strikers does a good job. I’m just sayin, if they don’t take advantage of whats already been done then they fumble a bit
@@ntrg3248 and then its finally revealed that yes, Akechi has been alive the entire time.
@@Sharff514 Is that still up in the air?
I agree. The P5 milking needs to stop. It's not hard to wonder what other classics ATLUS could have made if they weren't doing all these P5 spinoffs over the years. They have so many dormant IPs at this point that deserve a reboot (like trauma centre, snowboard kids and growlanser).
Thats thing.
In atlus's eyes, P5 pays the bills.
Snowboard kids... doesn't.
Let's see Complain all you want about Persona 5 but Persona 4 has more spin offs
P4D
P4U
PQ
PQ2
P4U2
whereas P5 has
P5D
P5S
PQ2
P5T
P4 has more spin offs so of you complain about P5's Milking you should Complain about P4's
@@Joker3180Z Don't forget all the collabs p5 has had with countless games.
@@Joker3180ZI’m glad someone finally said this like we just gonna look past how long they was milking p4 this shouldn’t be nothing new to anyone
@@Joker3180ZI mean people were sick of P4 spin offs before P5 came out too. Nowadays nobody cares cause you can easily ignore them if you want but back in the day the community had the exact same reaction to Atlus milking P4 to death as they have to P5 now.
History truly repeats itself everyone hated p4 for a while because of all the spin-offs and stuff now everyone loves it same shit is happening with p5 in a couple years people will love it again
Bc people hate popular stuff
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy No. Because people hate the same shit over and over and over and over again.
@@Valkbg Spin off are completely different games, how are they the same lol.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoyBut it’s still the Phantom Thieves and “Persona 5” content. I really enjoyed P5, and I loved Royal, but the constant spotlight on 5 (Reload excluded) and pushing of most spinoffs that honestly don’t hit the mark causes irritation and impacts how people view the entire P5 branch as a whole
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy Different flavours of shit is still shit
I think in the case of P5 Dancing and PQ2, they wanted to present those in a way that wouldn't spoil too much for people who hadn't played the main game for some reason. That's why the characters are reduced to simple caricatures of themselves, going too much deeper would reveal some of the deeper conflicts from the main game that are best discovered organicly.
We're also not in the longest gap between mainline Persona games yet. Yes, it's been 7 years since P5 launched, but it was 9 years between P4 and P5.
Yeah, but wasn't 5 announced like a year or 2 before it came out? I might be mistaken about that, but if that's the case, 6 could still be 2 or more years out
@@Chronoflationpersona 5 was announced 5 years after persona 4 released, and came out worldwide 4 years after it was announced
Smt, atlus' other major franchise and father to persona, also took 4 years from announcement to release with smt v.
So, if it was announced today, it wouldn't be out of the question for persona 6 to take another four years before it releases
Technically it was 8 years between them as P5 released in Japan in 2016, but your point still stands. And if we count P3 Reload as its own mainline entry then it would be a 7.5 year gap between P5 and the next game
I hate that you’re probably right. I hate even more that Atlus still thinks this considering Tactica takes place before P5 ends with the Akechi/Yoshizawa DLC possibly taking place even before that. I don’t know why only Strikers is written like an actual sequel and then they never tried again
We're getting Metaphor instead for now. I think Atlus is working on P6, but I believe it's a different team than normal. As a result, I'm not as confident it'll be a success.
I'm more excited about Metaphor since it's the persona director.
And move on to The World Ends With You right :)
SO TRUE
That first game is GOATed
Frrr the better game in Shibuya
@@BoBennings Both are peak fiction fr fr
Persona 3 Reload is catapulting us into the "Next Generation" you could say of Persona, with them switching to Unreal Engine and Reload essentially being building blocks for the developers when it comes to making Persona on Unreal Engine, excited for the future and Persona 5 will ultimately go down as being a massive stepping stone for the franchise, and I think Persona 6 will do even more for it
Same. I have decent hopes since P5 was fixed massively by Royal’s team. Who are making Reload and 6. And leakers r saying they’re thinking of making remakes for 1-2, ASA, and that 6 will be more ambitious a leap from 5 to 6 than 4 was to 5
wasn’t there some issue about unreal engine just recently?
@@vivvy_0 UE5 is having issues bc its a new engine but P3RE is running on UE4
I think I'm ready to move on as well, not just from Persona 5, but from the older titles of the Persona series to a new installment, one with a fresh coat of paint and ideas that can cement itself as not just a different vibe as the rest of the franchise, but a bold new direction that makes me fall in love with this series all over again.
Or.... We can just have another 2 Persona 5 spinoffs that are fun but ultimately don't add that much value beyond exhausting the already blooted overindulgence of this universe... But hey, at least we get Persona 3 Remake.
According to leaks, there will be some new stuff and old stuff.
Obviously reload is coming out, but there’s going to be a P5Arena that likely operates how 4 did and actually have something new. There’s also a game called ASA with all previous characters. It’s old in that it’s the older cast, but it’s new in that they’re bringing focus back to P1-2.
Then 6. I actually think their plans going forward are cool. It’s likely cuz of the new dev team wanting to do new things.
@@ma.2089these sound so fake
I need a persona game that shakes up the formula and is heavily different from its predecessors. The main reason why I want this is so the persona 5 comparison can stop
@@RaspyCh people were worried that persona 5 will be more P4 than P3 before release, it end up being its own thing, since P4 atlus takes a lot of time between mainline releases and ends up making A LOT of spin off games...At the end of the day thats how Persona was born
@@caveirainvocada9438 they could be. But the leaker has been reputable so far
i just want a persona 1/2 remake/remaster
As long as they don't try to add the calendar system I would like that as well.
I just want to see 1080p Eikichi
I played Persona 5 Royal when it got a Switch port and loved it. I could never really get into the spin-offs with the “alternate universe story that somehow happens during the main story but they all forget” plot. Currently playing Strikers and I’m really enjoying it!
I think, for me, if they were going to do more Persona 5 games, I’d like to see more sequels like Strikers. It would be interesting to have a sequel with a bigger time skip, like to the present year. Given that P5 takes place in 2016/17, that would put the Phantom Thieves in their early 20s, which could make for a fresh story dynamic.
I'll admit, I was mostly just watching this and fading out, but that message at the end was really powerful to me. I myself played P5 in 2019, shortly after Joker joined Smash Bros, so I would've been 16-17 too. And man, has it seriously been four years? This became my favourite game of all time, only outclassed by Royal when I played on Switch earlier this year. I played this game at the perfect time in my life, just like you. It's so hard to just put away, I've essentially grown up with the Thieves these past few years, so it's a little painful seeing them all so mistreated. I'd love a Persona 6 to help move on, or maybe Persona 3 Reload will help me unlock some things I missed when playing P3P and make *that* my new favourite game. I just love this franchise to death and want to see it grow and evolve into bigger and better things.
Yup same story here. I was in the middle of high school when I played vanilla persona 5, and near the end of graduation when I played royal. These games did so much for me. Especially since that was such a rough time in my life being bullied and having no friends. These games were essentially my lifeline and it’s sad to see where Atlus has taken things over the years. I will say though persona 5 strikers was fantastic. Probably because it was a direct sequel to vanilla persona 5. It’s a quick 40 hour game but it keeps the charm of the original games. If you haven’t already, I highly recommend checking it out
Persona 5 strikers was incredibly underrated. It wasn’t just a cash grab spinoff. The game was a legit full fledged sequel in the form of an action JRPG.
The main issue is their unwillingness to do anything unique with the characters. If we got a spinoff where the characters were now all in college, or now all adults or something, and got to see how their lives are going in the future, it would at least be progress. But this is stagnation.
Yes, right, I don't know why people don't want a spin-off game with gameplay, with a different team and different proposal, whether it's a sequel...
I wouldn’t say that Strikers is stagnation. The other spin-offs, yes, but Strikers at least moved things forward
I would say that applies to the series as a whole. I love Persona but I'm kinda tired of seeing the same character archetypes going through the same struggles. Sure, 5 changed things up a bit but it still felt way too familiar in the end. Ann felt like a cross between Lisa and Rise, Morgana was just Teddie repackaged, and don't get me started on the "super nice and friendly guy who's actually a psycho" trope they've done since Persona 3. I don't know, it's not like I want them to change things up completely but I would love to see something new, and if they're gonna keep milking Persona 5, some character growth would definitely be nice
persona 5 eternal punishment
10:00 Game release gaps will only get longer and longer going forward that's not just a Persona thing, it's practically all games now
Yes, that is true, now that is why remasters and direct ports make sense to fill in the gaps.
Incorrect
P4 to P5 was 8 years
P5 to now would be 6-7 years
I dont think they'd get on 6 or something new for a good while but they're going to milk 5 for what its worth and its worth a lot in the eyes of many
The gap will become the largest in the series, soon, because P6 hasn’t even been announced yet, and it likely won’t get announced until after P3R comes out. Besides that, knowing Atlus, it will still be another couple of years before the game comes out.
Persona 5 is starting to feel like GTA5 for me
except GTA didn't get a bunch of spinoffs.
just stop...
I was going to make the same joke before I realized that they only released 3 years apart 😆
No its not p5 is the game that put persona on the map and there are still plenty players who love this game so no the “milking” will never end
Funny I don’t here you people complaining about garbage ff7 being milked you’ll buy the remake day one
I can definitely feel ya Nam! Persona 5 is truly a special game and while Royal and Strikers were worthwhile releases, it is sad how Atlus is using the game and milking it because they know it will make money. I played Dancing expecting some fun, and outside of me just sucking at the game, it was unfun because yeah, the story is non-existent and the characters are one noted. At this point, the most excitement I got is finally trying Atlus' other games SMT Nocturne and SMTV for the first time. Otherwise I haven't had the same joy since playing P5 Vanilla, Royal, and Strikers. But what sucks is that on repeated playthroughs when you know enemy weaknesses and how to prepare, the game becomes less of a challenge overtime, even on its hardest difficulty. I practically know every corner in Persona 5 Royal to the point that the most fun I had recently was boundary breaking the scenes with a mod. And you know the story, so you end up fast forwarding through long cutscenes on repeated playthroughs. I'll always love Persona 5, but that love does feel stale overtime. Like you got the message and we should have enough of it, but yet, it's somehow stuck with you because of popularity over how special it is. As someone who's more well known for Persona and did 2 challenge runs on Royal, I have had pretty much enough of the game. Heck the community is running out of challenge run ideas on the game that it's become that overplayed. I will always treasure it. But I am experiencing fatigue from being reminded of it all the time. I definitely hope Tactical is a good game and I know for sure Persona 3 Reload will be a special remake of the game, if not the best way to experience Persona 3. But at this point, I just want Persona 6 already. And if not Persona 6, something else.
So, are u gonna redo mandatory battle only on P3R😊
I think your wish is about to come true soon. The developers of persona 5 moved on to a new project. Maybe because they felt like they proved themselves with that game and there was nothing more to do. I’m pretty sure persona 6 will be done by an entirely new team now. Their new game will be called metaphor refantazio
Just wait until P6 comes out in 2030 and after 5 to 6 years of Atlus milking it, you'll be seeing 5 hour long videos in UA-cam titled "Persona 5 was UNDERRATED actually".
Also, Zenkichi was such a good character in P5S, I wish adults were real.
Persona 5 is my favorite Persona game and I'm fully ready to move on. As much as like the game and its cast it can't stick around forever.
I'm hoping Metaphor Re Fantazio can help fill the gaps between these long releases of Persona games. It would be cool to have a nice ecosystem of Atlus games that are all working in harmony with each other.
This right here. Catherine served the same purpose. Lot of visual style from that was seen in P5. Considering that Methaphor was originally announced back in 2017 I think the visual and gameplay influences for the next Persona and SMT games are gonna start with from it
I'm even more pumped about Re: Fantazio than P6 because its creative leads are the same as Persona 3 to 5! These devs proved their worth and their brand new project deserves no less attention than P6. It might deserve even more so the benefit of the doubt as it's a totally new concept for the team. And I say it as a person who couldn't care less about fantasy jRPGs.
The phantom thieves already stole our hearts. The only thing they can steal now is our money
I mean they're thieves so it makes sense
Great video. You hit the nail on the head. My biggest problem with the spin off games is the reduction of the characters and the plots that are technically canon, but everyone forgets everything so any character development is null. While I love the q games, they suffer the worst from this trope. The p4 spin offs at least attempt to continue the characters story, even if they don't pull it off well and p5 strikers was fantastic in the way that it truly felt like a sequel and not a side story. I'm more interested in persona 6 than I am the new games that are coming out.
And that's kind of the reason why I'm looking forward to ReFantasy ( as P6 stills seems really far from release).
New IP with an experienced crew, and that trailer from Metaphor's announcement it's just beautiful. I mean, last time these guys took a break from Persona, Catherine came out...
The only thing I really want is the P5 cast in an Arena game and see them in those ridiculously amazing sprites (either add them as additional content for Ultimax or a brand new game), but aside from that, as soon as I see even the color red in the next Persona game, I will kidnap the Atlus higher ups and force them to play Nocturne with a magic build and no buffs/debuffs
The fact P5 arena doesn't exist makes me so sad and every time I see an announcement for a p5 spin-off thats not arena or whenever arcsys announces another fighting game based on a shitty mobile game IP my heart breaks even more... like a fighting game with that modern persona flair in combination with arcsys's amazing 3d animation techniques.
I remember when P5 was released back in 2017. I was still in college about to graduate. Now I have a wife and a 4 year old son. My son is 4. And he goes to school now. I was still in school when I played P5. That makes me feel super old man.
I have a slightly different perspective on this personally. I only got into the franchise after the 2020 Steam release of P4G. I was already 33 when I played this and while I love it and have a huge attachment to it, it's perhaps not the same as someone who like yourself has being the age of the characters. I've since played all the modern mainline games - currently on Strikers and am also replaying P4G right now to get the Marie stuff done (will likely do the same with P5R soon too).
While I agree with the statement that it's time to move on from P5, I don't disagree with that fundamentally at all. A lot of what youv'e presented here feels a little contradictory and along the lines of "I must play every spin off without failure".
P5 has had mini games like dancing and a a multi-game spin off in Q2 for a system that doesn't even exist anymore it's been so long since it came out. It's big "Spin off" is Strikers, and whether you want to call it a sequel or a spin off is kind of neither here nor there, it's in the category of milking P5, and in this case, as you've said, P5S is so good you don't even want to count it. I've played Tactica recently and honestly think it's great, I'm a little bummed personally it seems light on story though but I love the idea of a tactical RPG like XCom / MarioRabidds in Persona form, it's a perfect fit - much better than a fighting game or dancing game for example and much more a good time sink.
Anyway, what I was going to say was, while I defo think it's time to move on from P5 - I think you're being a little harsh on the spin offs and side games, when at least one of them was so good you can't even count it as a spin off by your own words and Tactica, as a game style fits the Persona mould so much better anyway - though my fear of most tactical games being uniteractive cutscenes between combat seems to be coming true.
Many of my favourite series seem to be taking longer and longer with development. Final Fantasy and Zelda both have just gone through 6/7 year periods between entries (Zelda great as it is... given it's reusing so many assets, just how and whyy!?) but the truth is I think I feel this less and less. The wait between FF10 and FF12 was only four years but feels as long as 13 to 15 (7 years) did. What I think I'm saying is, that yeah things are taking longer, but you'll notice it less as you get older. I love Persona and wish P6 would come out soon, but I don't think games like Strikers and Tactica really detract from that, and as for Dancing, we'd get complaints if it didn't exist (probably the same for Q2 also).
Finally someone came out and said it. Don't get me wrong I love Persona 5 but I am sick of the phantom thieves now. Hopefully P5T is the last game for them 🙏
I don't think so, there is still P5U brand name that we have no idea about what it is about, and Royal's ending hints for some kind of sequel to it(not a sequel to vanilla P5 like Strikers.)
In my opinion, it's ok. P6 will take many years, as well the next SMT game.
So having one more P5 spin off and P3 Reloaded it's ok in my opinion.
That's okay! I want something different like P1 and P2 remake, remaster or port. I never got to experience those games back in the day.
@@Zerorenren4761
You even keep strikers as the sequel to P5R by just adding a simple text at the beginning of the game that has Sumire (MIA) because she is participating in a competition overseas
And that can easily explain why she is not available for the summer road trip.
@@princessnana108 they’re interested in a remake of 1-2. They’re planning a game called ASA which will feature characters from 1-5. And supposedly an P5 arena game as well.
@@Zerorenren4761 strikers is a sequel to Royal as well. Not mentioning the content of Royal besides Mona vaguely alluding to the time frame when it would’ve happened doesn’t mean it isn’t canon.
It was a fun era but it’s definitely time for it to end persona 5 tactica needs to be the last thing they do with it at least for a while
LEAKS DISCUSSED BELOW TAKE WITH HEAP OF SALT
Very reliable leaker says there's AT LEAST 1 more persona 5 spinoff coming
+ a party game including every persona cast including 1 and2
@@fluke7506 kind of expected that, plus Atlus is the kind who will finish a generation story proper before moving to the next mainline. Considering Royal 3rd semester streaming restrictions lifted after Tactica announcement, Atlus can go all out with narrative spoilers, putting Royal story more in their future games. However, Atlus need to settle their other IPs, before moving to the next titles.
Phantom X mobile game is the next priority, as Japan is the next region open for the next beta test based on leaks. With Tactica and Royal restrictions lifted, that might influence Phantom X to some extent, in terms of potential playable Phantom Idols and event stories.
Honestly with the whole Q, R, S, T aspect of the spin off games , I expect U to come next a.k.a Ultimate?
Felt the same for a while now. Dont be sad its over, be happy that it happened.
I miss spin offs like Ultimax. While the story there wasn’t great, I enjoyed seeing SEES all grown up. Or the true Golden ending where we see the Investigation Team one year later. I just find the stagnation of the Phantom Thieves especially frustrating when Royal ended on every member resolving to move on with their lives. I want to see where they all go next.
P5R was my first foray into the series, and lead to me binging many SMT titles in recent years. I love P5 - and even enjoyed Strikers quite a bit - but yeah… I’m ready for P6 or whatever’s next.
You have no idea how much I feel this. Seeing them in dozens of collaborations, getting an anime, three spin offs including the gacha, and a true sequel was more than enough but when we got yet another game I can't really bring myself to really care. I get this shit makes money and people love these characters to death but enough already.
We'll look back at P5 fondly after P6.
You will I’ll be glad to move on
Same way mfs look back on p4 nowadays with rose tinted glasses 😂
I haven't even finished this vid and I completely agree. One of the biggest issues with ATLUS is milking the latest 3 Perona games. Especially 5. I wanna hear an update on 6. How much progress have they made? Do they have a teaser trailer ready. Heck I would be ok with a DDS dual modern port since the first game's 20th anniversary is coming next year.
I am soooo glad to finally see someone talk about this!!!! You did a great job of explaining it. I am a long time Persona fan as well got on board with the release of P3FES and never looked back. While I am glad to see them remaking p3(since I love that story), but I remember when they announced P5 tactics and I was just like really.....it feel like they are trying to reach all different types of gaming styles while loosing focus on their core fans, the story loving turn based JRPG crowd. I like strikers but it felt off to me I am ready for P6 my biggest fear is that they will move away from turn based combat...with certain medical issues RTB systems can be very hard to do unless its a button masher...so i really hope we start seeing some new stuff, or at least revivals of P1 and P2 then P6 and agreed they need to let the thieves rest...they have done their job...and done it better than anyone could have asked for.
“ Yeah, I’m really sick of all these brand new video games, time to move on from p5. 4th persona 3 tho? Hell yeah bring it on.” - this fandom
and they still don't have all content from the persona 3 games. the biggest reason people want a p3 remake is so we can have a definitive edition with all the content but I guess we aren't getting that either. im going to get it but p3r is still a disappointment, there's no reason why we can't have femc and the answer
@@duckyisdum9617100% agreed. Atlus is genuinely so dumb for this imo, they only made the debate of which version to play worse
persona 5 has had a new version, a dancing game, a warriors type game, and a tactical rpg before a new mainline game has come out. persona 3 has been stuck on ps2/psp graphics with mechanics that most people find worse than P4 and P5. it's not that hard to get.
@@Cheezy4796 persona 3 has had four new versions, 3 appearances in fighting games, 2 of which also further the p3 story, a dancing game, two 3ds rpgs, one of which the p3 characters can be the lead of, let’s not act like they haven’t been “milked” too.
Persona 3 better so it gets a pass
I feel like having Persona 6 revolve around a main cast of adults would be a really interesting way to mix things up and tell more mature and nuanced stories.
Yeah, just like what eternal punishment did back then
Been saying this 4 came out, I'm tired of the high school setting
They were able to tell a pretty mature story with P3, and even P4, it's just P5 that fumbled the bag. At the end of the day they're gonna focus on a highschool setting because it's relatable to more people, and focuses on characters of a similar age to their target audience (being teenagers)
Would be cool honestly, I wish they did this again after p2 Eternal punishment, he'll would love to see past characters from the previous game to return as adults like what they did in p2.
10:25 Great monologue man!! I felt the exact same way about persona 5. I just diddnt know how to put how I felt about persona 5 into words.
Persona 5 will always stay in our hearts , especially the sound track ❤
I agree that it is time to move on from Persona 5, however there is a critical detail that Atlus keeps teasing fans for years but never fully gives us.
It is about Sae Niijima's romance. Atlus didn't allow players to date Sae in the game but kept teasing players with the possibility. Datamines from the game indicating she was romanceable during development, encouraging players to challenge to date her in the Dancing game, and giving a date in the anime OVA. (btw she was the last date shown after the credits, indicating it was special).
Atlus knew that Sae would be the number one romance pick for many players. So my guess is that they cut it out so they could use it in the future for some more Persona 5 milking. So i bet we will still have more Persona 5 spin-offs until they finally give us the grand finale with her as a datable option.
My guess is that this will happen in 2026, 10 years after OG Persona 5 released and just before Persona 6. It could be just a new spin-off game in the future or just a new revision from Persona 5 with some slightly more content. Regardless many players would be willing to pay again for a chance to date her and Atlus knows this. That is why they kept teasing us since 2016 but never fully giving.
Agreed.
insane copium, but stay strong brother. our time will come.
Bro what is ts cope p5 waifu mfs r different
That is an insane delusional stretch lol
shoulda switched the image on screen at 7:20 to the p4g epilogue version of the photo to make the joke even more fitting lol
5:37 Strikers is also a direct sequel
This video is just what Atlus has been waiting for to announce the P5 fighting game
Honestly man, this video was so sweet. The way you put your point across was so strangely beautiful and I think you really captured the 'heart' of the argument in this video.
I'd love to see more work like this sometime in the future, but in the meantime, really looking forward to the FF10 vid.
Best of luck in your future endeavours dude, keep on keepin' on.
That code for HSR has not been activated yet 😭
Good video! Interestingly I’ve thought for a while that part of the Persona 5 is exhaustion has come from the UA-cam side of it. I can’t begin to describe how tired I’ve gotten of the soundtrack because of how many content creators use it even in non-persona videos.
Excellent point. lol, it's annoying how many times you hear persona songs on UA-cam.
I definitely agree. While I do enjoy the spin off titles for what they are (not Q, never played those) I do wish we could move on. We definitely need something new, something interesting, or at least a new group of young Persona users ready to save the world.
7:09 here's the thing about P4's spin offs P5 was still being worked on and constantly delayed and ended up looking really good in the end, so Maybe the same can be said for P6's Development it's not like the spin offs are preventing P6 from releasing
I got all the way to the akechi bossfight in vanilla and never finished it, nor the spinoffs. I'm not done yet... And I caught the bug recently. I'm feeling it this time. I'm actually gonna finish it and I cannot wait.
We played this game under the same set of circumstances. I was a senior in HS as well and JFC was I glad I was graduating and getting tf out of there, it was a trauma ridden experience. As for the spinoffs, I had a feeling the only one worth playing was strikers which is why I'm planning on playing it when I'm done with royal.
Goodness gracious, you went in with your (probably accurate) predictions for tactics
Surprised persona 5 the phantom x was not mentioned
This isn't just a P5 spinoff problem. Every time I replay P3 I forget how good of a character Yukari is because of how flanderized she is in all the spinoff material.
yo can we hold off on moving on for a few more days? i still gotta finish the maruki fight
The thing is the Persona fandom is going to go right back to bitching about spin-offs yet again after Persona 6 has been out for some time until Persona 7 drops then that will be the whipping boy for everything that's wrong with ATLUS so in essence, it's impossible to move on from Persona 5 the same way it was impossible to move on from Persona 4 back in its era because the fandom never learns to not complain about ATLUS getting the most out of each mainline title until its time for the next one to come out.
i've played Persona/SMT since the PS2 and the hate cycle is real. personally, i don't mind the spinoffs at all because once they're over that's pretty much all we get with those characters. also can appreciate the different genres that are explored in side games, and the more light hearted/simplified characterization of the party members.
i also try to keep up with a lot of different franchises that tend to be 100+ hour long playthroughs to fully complete and a bit of breathing room with side games is fine with me. of course, i get the opposite perspective as well. but the opposition could just not buy the games and go play something else as well.
So glad that I played persona 4 (Steam release) before playing Persona 5, as I fear if i had played vise versa I wouldn't have enjoyed Persona 4g nowhere near as much as I did.
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I like how Nam says we need to move on from P5 while playing a clip of the P3 remake lol, it's not just P5 but 3 and 4 Atlus need to move on from too. But then that would mean acknowledging SMT and P1 and 2 in any sort of meaningful way and we can't have that can we?
I understand this video. I appreciate this video. I am subscribed and want to see more.
But I do find it amusing that after "It's time to move on from Persona 5", is 2 more videos on the topic of Persona 5.
Nice thing with Persona 4 arena is it let the P3 characters grow up, so you actually got an idea what they were up to and let you grow up with them. Compared to how P4 and especially P5 handled them where you never get to see them past the age they were incthe P4G epilogue in P4's case, and Strikers in P5's case.
I love p5r to death. For some reason, its one of my all time favorite games. I also thought the story of persona 5 strikers was pretty great. With that being said, persona 5 tactica hasn't really excited me yet at all. The best way I can describe it so far is that it feels a little soulless. I really hope I'm wrong and that its an enjoyable experience in both gameplay and story. Though I don't feel quite as negatively towards the overall state of persona 5 as you and many others do, I can see where you are coming from and do agree to some extent. Great video!
Can't wait to move on and then Atlus will start milking P3.
Oh please no 😅
I wouldn't mind a p3 spin off honestly, but I'm pretty sure it confirmed that there's another p5 spin off next 6 2025 is when p6 is allegedly coming out
>"start milking P3" Do you live under a rock?
@@luizkorynga if you don't consider the Arena games, p3p and fes there would be only be 3 games over till now. Also I meant P3 to be milked to death.
@@Ken-lv4wwwhy did you fail to mention both PersonaQ games and P3 dancing games ??! Persona 3 has already been milked to death we seriously need to move tf on from that shit already
It's very funny to see this when it was just in the past 2 months I was able to finally play thru P5 (Royal on Switch) myself, whilst I have some considerable gripes with the game it has left me with a lot to think about while simultaneously feeling a little late to the party. I definitely can feel the exhaustion from oversaturation with just seeing the spinoffs come out left and right.
I do find it a bit disappointing that when we're finally breaking free from P5 it's just to retread old grounds with a P3 remake that won't exactly be a definitive version but just another choice to play that game with its own pros and cons.
man I remember playing P5 through my last days of highschool back in '17 - and back then I HOPED A P6 WOULD ACCOMPANY ME THROUGH UNIVERSITY
I'm still wondering when we will get a Persona game with mirrors as the main symbolism.
Persona 1 is Dreams
Persona 2 is Rumors
Persona 3 is Death
Persona 4 is Fog/Static
Persona 5 is Masks
Where is Mirrors, a way of looking at one's self reflection but shattering showing many.
I thought 2 was about Destiny? Or 4 was about Truth? Or 5 was about Freedom?
@@sparktwochristopher7240 I meant more the visible symbolisms.
You can't really see Truth/Destiny/Freedom as well as you can see the Mask, Dreams, and so on. Those may be parts of the symbolism, but I meant the more visible so to say.
persona 5 imagining project moment
To give a bit of a different opinion. I kow we probably should be moving on. But P5 as a whole has such a unique and fantastic world that im totally fine with staying with it for a while.
It's been 7 years
That’s the thing. If they actually had some sort of progression and played with it in a way that has some sort of change.
Let’s hope it’s there for Arena. Which apparently has been in production for a while so who knows
It's been 7 years, we've gotten at least 6 Persona 5 games in that time, and VERY FEW actually show us anything new that progresses these characters' stories in any meaningful way. It's time to let go.
That’s what fan content is for. Plenty of writers and artists have taken the world of the game and twisted and expanded on it in ways that ATLUS’s spin-offs couldn’t. Let them have it and let the devs move on to something new
Isn't that more cause to keep p5 around. So that we CAN get more development. Also "very few"? Three out of the six games introduced new characters with interesting plots. You honestly made a even better case then I did as to why we shouldn't move on.@@Aigis31
P6 should have us as a third year so we can take the college entrance exam and maybe go off to said college or we could be a college student either way works for me
As a big P5 fan (and that game was responsible for me going back to persona in general. My last persona game before P5 was P2 EP!) I wholeheartedly agree! It's time. It's like when you watch a TV show that should have ended 3 seasons ago. Dragging things out just lessens the experience. I really do believe that absence can make the heart grow fonder & I think we'll be able to look back on P5 with a better sense of affection if we take some time away from it! Great video! It says pretty much what I've been thinking.
That being said, will I still consume fan-content? Oh yes I will! Because of how transformative it tends to be, that (for me) will be the best way to revisit P5! Fan Art, AUs & Fan Fiction will keep the flame burning!
Also, just to add, I really hope P6 will involve adults. I think for the massive fan-base it accrued in almost a decade, I think it would be wise to graduate from the P5 Adolescence into maturity since a lot of fans are now adults. I know P2 EP tackled that but I'm sure Atlus can find topic to use as commentary on adult life.
Persona 3 blew my mind when I first played it all those years ago. Persona 4 offered a different tone and a charming new set of characters. By the time P5 rolled around... well, it was freaking great, as expected but something didn't *quite* do it for me at the end of the day. I've heard Katsura Hashino might not be directing Persona 6, dunno if true or not, but I think this could be a welcome change. I feel like the series is starting to stagnate. Visually, it has never looked better, but creatively it really is starting to lose its shine.
When P4 was new, I was gobbling that shit up. Manga? Let's go. Anime? Hell yeah. Fighting games? Fuck yeah I love ArcSys. This did not happen with P5. I felt *done* with it when I beat it. It was a good game, a by-the-books persona experience wrapped in amazing visuals and strong soundtrack. Didn't feel the need to see more of the characters and stories in... whatever the fuck else came out after that had P5 slapped on the box.
Not even Royal could bring me back. I'm a doctor. I played P5 (the OG release) when I was in my second year of medical school. Took me a good two months to beat it. I'm at a point in my life where asking me to replay a whole-ass 90-odd-hour game to get to the extended segments is a tall order... But going beyond that, I'm just... not interested. Not interested in the same tired tropes, the same "teenagers against some godly embodiment of a societal ill." Just not interested.
I want something new.
Hashino is not on that team anymore. He works at the Studio Zero subteam now. Studio Zero is working on Metaphor ReFantazio (it also produced Catherine: Full Body). You won't be getting P6 until that game comes out sometime in 2024. You may not even get a P6 announcement.
Brother this just sounds like you grew up and are mad the games didn’t grow up alongside you
I really like Strikers but I think it also suffers from the same character simplification Q2 and especially Dancing suffers from.
And it's shame, because I really do feel like The Phantom Thieves both as a group and individually can continue growing but instead, all we get is small timbits of characters saying things to get them plot moving well the only ones that really go through a shift throughout the game are the new ones.
It just sucks because I do think a lot of members of the main cast in particular Ann Ryuji and Futaba can continue to develop into their arcs where that be their immaturity, social anxiety, or what not. Instead, we get a smaller dose of some members of the thieves being slightly connected with the villain of the week (or striker 's case jail) where the dynamic and introspection Is nowhere near as good as the one offered by the base game.
7:19 okay, that got me pretty good.
Absolutely feel you on the narrative spin-off stuff. Granted, I haven’t played P5 Dancing or Q2, but I’ve played Q1 and know it was the same deal there. Particularly having played it before Persona 4 and having gotten nothing from the P4 cast at that time, the narrative dead zone makes these games bad introductions to these characters. Which is a problem for a Persona game, even a spin-off.
Oh, and just a reminder that, as someone who HAS played proper Etrian Odyssey games, Q drops the ball on that end too. Those games may be fine as a whole package, but neither half of the crossover holds up on its own. Some neat ideas, though (the elemental phys skills made Shinjiro one of my mainstays).
I'd still really like 1 big P5 spinoff that matters that connects it to the rest of the universe and actually meet the 3&4 cast as adults before they bury the franchise. It'd just feel lame to send them off on a low note
THANK YOU!!! I have like 600 hrs on this game and can't believe we're getting a GTA 6 trailer before P6.
Thank you for posting this. I've been thinking about this lately, especially with Tactica, the mobile spin-off and the recently rumored mobile remake. Persona 5/Royal is one of my favourite games of all time but the more they milk it, the less respect I have for the franchise as a whole. How many times do we have to see another variation of: The Metaverse is back and notable bad person needs their heart changed in a palace. What made P5/R so special was the character development, and seeing how they grow and overcome the cards they have been dealt by working together and forming bonds. The sequels and spin-offs can't have character development (aside from non-canon side characters), because they've already been developed. Atlus should really just focus on Persona 6 or original titles at this point.
I kind of get your point, but at the same time, we're very clearly at the end of P5's lifecycle anyway, so I don't really see why this video needed to exist. We're getting, at most, maybe 1 more game after Tactica (possibly P5 Arena), and then we'll be moving on to P6, where you're just going to end up having the same complaints. "It's getting milked! We need to move on to Persona 7".
Videos like this are just as tiring as these myriad spinoffs.
I kinda understand your viewpoint as well persona 5 had a good respark when it re came out for Xbox and it’s popularity spiked again but even in twitch it’s numbers isn’t so high I’m hoping to see the companies growth in there next big project aside from P3R
But that’s his problem tho there’s no need for these stupid amounts of spin offs but idiots like you can’t get enough of it
How dare people be upset that a beloved game company keeps milking a beloved game and won’t let it die with dignity.. wow so shocking. The real problem is the mentally ill consumers buying this garbage.
Finished Playing 5 royal a couple months and just started 4 golden last week and am absolutely love it. I can now see and agree why people regard 4 as the best persona game.
Aside from that, when Atlus eventually decides to move on and make a new persona game, I truly hope the main cast are adults and the story focuses on the hardships of adult life. There is so much potential in exploring Japan Adult life. I loved the character of Zenkichi Hasegawa in strikers and feel they created him to test the waters of adult charcters. Have the MC be an adult fresh off of Highschool and just started an office job where he meets the 1st friend character who is someone who just started working a year before you and was instructed to teach you the ropes. and after the 1st couple days he learns what kind of shit hole of a company he just joined. Theres other things I would like to add here but its simply too much. I really REALLY hope the next game focuses on adult life
Lol, get real, they're never going to make a college aged or adult cast of Persona users. XD
@@Aspi3Gam3r there is no such thing as an never. Bet people said the same thing about a persona dancing game or a persona fighting game.
@@Aspi3Gam3r It's called persona 2
I finished playing persona little over a year ago and I still can’t stop thinking about it, it drives me to the point of insanity and I can’t sleep at night without hearing Morgana followed by beneath the mask
I'm gonna be 17 on 15th December started playing it on 15th October today's 30th almost 31st October 2023 let's see how this game will go for me for me i just met the 4th guy in phantom thieves will go on his show/exhibition tommorow...
Honkai Star Rail is ridiculously fun, funny, and its story is attention grabbing. Also, you don't play a complete mute. Also, if you have a PlayStation 5, it is made also as an exclusive on there. So, you won't risk turning your phone into a thermal nuclear device.
I am very interested in the Persona games and want to play Persona 5 and maybe try out out the Persona 3 remake when it comes out; however, I have a backlog of games to get through first.
I agree. They had their canon spinoff in Strikers, it was the best sendoff the group could have. Now it's time to move on, which is hard because Persona 6 is a long, long way off, and it's questionable if they can even capture the P5 magic again.
when i first saw tactica i let out the sigh of the century, sure, after a bit of research it definitely seems a bit better but still, how many persona 5 games are we going to get? people have been discussing persona 6 for so long TT
0:37 This game first released on my first year of college... Hoo boy, did I fail way too many classes 😂
I'll never move on from you babe 😳
i moved on from this game as soon as i beat it
yet your still here watching videos about it 🤔
@@phantomviper211 yeah cuz im waitin for any videos about smt IV
Please give me Persona 5 Arena first and then after that it's time to move on
burned myself out clearing p5 almost 3 times for the platinum and haven't managed to get through Royal for the new content, let alone fire up Strikers or Tactica
Honestly though i wonder why P5 gets called out for the Milking ...but we ignore P3 and P4 get milked even harder.
I wil also say outside social links how much of the characters growth is shown in the main story..
The spin offs arent the waterdown version but more or less the reality of these characters if you removed the social links.
Like Ryuji basically stays the same outside one moment ...where he then gets beat up for laughs
When history is forgotten everything can feel like it's happening for the first time
We ignore it because there’s no more Persona 4 spin offs right now, and thank god
But 3.. yeah it’s stupid.
Disagree entirely. The “milking” of P5 is just them adding around 5 or less spin-offs or releases, with 2 or 3 of them making the top tier story even better (being Strikers, Royal, and hopefully Tactica). More of a good thing is never a bad thing, especially for stories. Yakuza proves this lmao
I feel like I have moved on from Persona 5. And I’ve even been playing SMT or other RPG games as well to fill that void. Persona 5 is still one of my favorite games of all time! Along with games like Death Stranding, RDR2, and of course. Nier Automata. But like you said they just milked it to death. They do nothing with the characters or their personalities. Bro. I can only imagine what they’ll do to Persona 6 when that comes out. 😬 😅 I am looking forward to Metaphor though! That looks up my ally. I love the Persona and SMT team and I’m glad they also moved onto other projects! Who knows maybe there is hope for the Persona franchise.
Your video reminds me of the ending of P2 Eternal Punishment, time passes and you grow up, you have to move on from the past same way Maya moved on from Tatsuya
That emotionally hurt to read man, Tatsuya deserve better honestly ._."
I didn't even watch the video, but no. We will always have persona 5, if persona 5 has a million fans, I'm one of them. If the world is against persona 5, then I'm against the world. If persona 5 has no fans, then I've passed. Persona 5 5ever.
Bro, nobody forces you to play those spin-offs. Why do you care if you have moved on? Let Atlus do whatever the fuck they want and it won't affect you.
Why didnt the video say anything about P5 The Phantom X
After I finish it on the switch
It actually baffles me that people keep buying these cash grab spinoffs
I'm just looking forward to Metaphor ReFantazio personally
It’s so funny to me that I get this recommended to me while I’m about to come back to Royale just to warmup up for Tactica and because I missed it.
I always switch games and play something else just so I don’t get burned out from games that I love. And now I’m fully recharged in getting back to the cast and the game’s atmosphere.
HSR is literally what I started playing daily after being burnt out of P5 (while waiting for P3 Reload of course)