Kinzhal vs Patriot - A Neutral Analysis
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Ukraine changed their story, they now say they shot down 600 Kinzhal missiles out if the total 1 missile that Russia fired.
You seem to have gotten your joke the other way around. It was Russia that claimed to have destroyed dozens of Leopards and 20 HIMARS before these systems even made their way to Ukraine. Really sad to see people actually believe a regime that has proven to do nothing but lie constantly
Technically the patriot did destroyed the kinzhal missile because it exploded upon impact with the radar system and nearby launchers
The 'nearby' launchers should be nearly 5-15 km away. So khinzal is a nuke?
@@redacted5755 there was six of them remember
@@bjorn1583 wtf some say 6 some say 2 some say one. How many were actually there?
Some are saying there was only one and it hit it's target.
Some are saying there were 2 and one was intercepted while the other hit.
And some say there were 6 and all hit.
Tf is the actual info, not counting biased ukr or russian propaganda?
@@redacted5755Everything else in this story is hearsay. What we can confirm is that a patriot was destroyed by a Kinzhal missile. In other words, Kinzhal is the patriot killer.
@@redacted5755 your the one saying it must be a nuke because more than one component was destroyed but wasnt a nuke so there HAD to be more than 1.
thats just simple logic no matter what news you believe
A couple days ago Ukraine fired off 30 patriot missiles in 2 minutes.
Those missiles are $5 million each. How long do you think the USA can afford to keep giving them away?
As long as they can print their fake money backed by nothing without considering the consequences of doing so.
This is utter nonsense. Patriot missiles cost about $3 million. The patriot battery cannot fire thirty missiles in two minutes. They might have used about a dozen total in Ukraine. The pentagon spends more than that on office supplies every day.
...You do understand that the US defense budget is 10 times larger than Russia's, right? That our economy is 20x the size of Russia's? We can afford to fight ten Russias at once, this is not the argument I'd be attempting if I were you
@@yomama629 You could afford it but you don`t have ammunition almost at all. US lacks in conventional weapons compared to Russia and you can not wage land war against Russia or you would need to start to use rocks.
@@yomama629 wow. But the truth i see. Usa has a lots homeless. Zombie people. And you call your economy great. And looks at those debt consumer data of usa. Its matter of time it will blow up
Patriot is the worst system ever built, the system has a background of failures and horrible performances across the Middle East, it can't face properly the old-Soviet Scud missiles not to say the Iranian-rockets landing over Jewish lands fired by Hamas that's the reason why Israel built its own Iron=dome system, as for the Saudis, They felt cheated by the Americans because Patriot can't stop the old soviet technology missiles fired by the Houthis militias and Iranian cheap drones landing over cities and military and oil infrastructures. That's the truth, but Western neocon-pro NATO media intentionally hide this fact and don't waste time and keep advertising a failed system. Conclusion: The PATRIOT can't even face a FLOCK of Kamikaze SEAGULL.
I Forgot to say Bakhmut is almost over, even though Ukrainian army got to penetrate a little bit just around neighboring plane lands located near the southern part of the city where the Russian troops defending that position decided to retreat towards the fortified part of the city of Bakhmut itself, which is completely under Russian control long time ago. This is a war of attrition, not a war to win vast lands of indefensible plains.
during his brief return to earth, zelenskij claimed that all the missiles were intercepted. as you all know by now, he never lies and never gets high
It’s the pauses that refreshes/In the corridors of power…
The guy is a junkie and a crook that’s for sure.
What kind of stupid insult is that? I know Russian media says Zelensky is a drug addict. People with low IQ believe that, I bet, but it's the same as if I said Putin is an alcoholic and a poopoohead. Grown up.
The US was afraid of giving Ukraine it's patriot system because of exposing it's fragility but since it did give it to them Russia straight away targeted it with its kinzel and has proven it's prediction.
Nothing has been proven to be honest. Unless you believe propaganda narratives of either side, which you would be wise to be skeptical of.
The Patriots did so poorly at its job in Kuwait. There was a congressional investigation, the patriot did so poorly in Israel they actually considered commando strikes into Iran, rather than better on it, saving their lives, and the patriot did so poorly in Saudi Arabia it failed to shoot down a single attack crap that blew up at a quarter of the oil wells. The Patriots turning into a Superstar is exceptionally improbable
@@jankuscrankus3122 the US has confirmed the hit on the patriot
@@jankuscrankus3122 then look for the consistency in the stories.
@@andrzejd5301 has russia released any data to prove this was significant or cant Russia even image areas in Kiev in 2023? The west can provide images of Russian planes destroyed thousands of miles away yet Russia cant even perform basic intellegence operations. I know who I would be beliving.
U didn't clarify anything you just stated the specs of each weapon
6 Kinzhal + 6 Kalibr Missiles = USD120Million...... A Patriot set ((battery + missiles) = USD1.1 Billion.....Do the math...
That's the US cost of battery plus a stockpile of 252 missles. Let's pretend russia did destroy the system (it didnt). Thats $400million if they got every single unit of it.
us economy is over 10x larger than Russias so Russia would still lost out on economics.- but your argument is irrelevant because 1 launcher got slightly damaged by debris let alone the entire system being destroyed.
US have over 500 Patriot launchers. US can produce Patriot missiles faster than Russia can build anything. Also, Ukraine has more than just Patriots. Kiev is safe enough that the population is at pre war levels. Lastly, Kiev is more likely to be hit by debris than an actual strike. Russia has produced no proof that they have destroyed the Patriot system….
Boy oh boy this is hilarious maths 😂
Sorry to say u didn't clarified any thing
Yes, I kind of feel the same. Quite disappointing.
@@johannuys7914 Agreed, I can't Subscribe unless a channel provides something more than reciting specifications.
BUT it is true, Patriot did down a Kinzhal.
Kinzhal was detected to Kiev and it hits a Patriot battery.
Even if kinzhal hit a patriot battery, then it's a lucky hit... how can an jet hit lock and fire on an air defence systems that is actively on a battle field without the air defence rader seeing it first ??? Air defence systems aren't about intercepting missiles, they also kill aircraft and jets.. even if patriot got hit, then it was a random fire of missile into Ukraine that end up landing close to an air defence system
Lucky? C'mon man, you can't be that lucky, Russia have satellite surveillance, you can imagine what is necessary to pull this off.
Great analysis. But there is a flaw in your understanding, and that is; PAC 3 missiles have been designed to intercept “Ballistic missiles”. These by their nature follow a parabolic ballistic flight path. Therefore all the fire control computer needs is 2 points in space plus a velocity to predict a 3rd point in space, at a time in the future (several seconds to minutes). Here is the problem…Kinzal does not follow a ballistic trajectory therefore predicting the 3rd point in space is virtually impossible. Computer algorithms may be able to predict several likely interception points, but it is still up to luck for the missile to be in the right place at the right time.
The next major problem is the speed differential between the interceptor and the Kinzal. In order to successfully defend against airborne threats the interceptor ideally should be faster than the target. In this scenario the Kinzal is not a little faster, it is 2-3 times faster.
Even if there is an interception the next problem is the Kinzal missile is travelling with a minimum of 9.76 Tera joules of kinetic energy whist the PAC 3 is only delivering 0.09 Tera joules. Is this enough to destroy the Kinzal? If it does, the resulting explosion would be in equivalent to 24 tonnes of TNT going off. I wouldn’t want to be living on the outskirts of Kiev when that happens.
KINZHAL uses evasive maneuvers and speed changes as it approaches the target, it's path is NOT predictable.
@@pimpompoom93726 cheers Harry I’m not sure you said that to reiterate what was previously said or to correct what was said?
@@PamweChete2503 I said it to agree with you, it's refreshing to read informed comments like yours instead of the tired, old yadda-yadda-yadda from most commenters. Peace.
You can't hit a kinzhal with a Patriot missile. There is a few machs missing in your analysis
I think Rand worked out that you would probably hit a Kinzhal if you fired off 20 Patriots at once to make a sort of steel wall in front of it. Which the Ukranians seem to have tried… although it seems not to have worked. And even if you succeed, is means using 150M of missiles to intercept a 10M missile, so not really a big win…
The difference is patriot mach 2 to 4 speed and Kinzhal at mach 10 , impossible to shoot down the Kinzhal nothing of NATOs can compete with that speed
Intercept, not catch up. Should be possible when you know were the missile is in the future.
That's like saying it's impossible to get hit by a car in a head on collision because you can run 15 mph and a car is going 45 mph.
its not chasing them its flying to meet it
Now imagine if Russia launched the avanguard missile which travels at Mach 27! Despite hypes Russia isn't using their top tiered weapons in Ukraine, not even their best tanks the armata
@kamal chandramoney which one of the 10 armadas? The one that got towed across red Square or a different one? They can send all of their 10 armadas it won't make a difference. That's why they don't send them, would be a propaganda fail when a javelin takes one out just as easily as a t72
Even if Patriot is able to intercept Kinzhal (which is questionable) you can always overload bettery with massive barrage of conventional missiles (like X-101) and then strike quickly when they are reloading. Kinzal can travel al Mach 10 which means it can cover 500 kilometers in about 2 minutes.
Thats what russians did, they mixed in decoys among real missiles, while drones marked launch sites for missile strikes.
Then dozens of other interceptor missile batteries can attack these conventional missiles.
It can’t ! Simple
MACH 12
Compare the speed of Patriot to kinzhal..
A ballistic missile is a missile that is launched in a parabola it goes high up into the high sub-orbit which is in space (the only way a ballistic missals can be shot down is when the missal reaches its maximum height and slows down enough so the interceptor can actually hit it). If the missile reaches its designated altitude and is not intercepted it starts free-falling to its target and it can reach speeds of +9 mach and are impossible to intercept.
Now Kinzal is based on Iskander ballistic missal, BUT it has no similarity to it (other than that it looks similar), AND Kinzal is a hypersonic cruise missile that travels in a straight pattern at mach 5+ not a parabola like other ballistic missiles.
So no the Patriot system is not designed to shoot down cruise missals that travel 3.5 km in 1 second
Please do your research on the said topic before you make a post. It makes you look dumb and uneducated.
А Искандер е базиран на СС23, които америка накара България да ги унищожи.
Kinzhal is NOT a cruise missile…
Please learn to type missile first....
mach 10+
@@TheGreatAmphibian ok than explain to me how it's a ballistic one than. Course I just explained to you how it's not.
3:25 crucial point . Russian weapons and defense systems are made in Russia and readily manufactured and available.. Ukraine must depend on US and Nato for weapons and defense systems .
Guess that's why they are sending ww2 relics to the front.
You're a ruzzian military expert, aren't you?
😂
@@therealdaveseaman oh he is not a nazi fo sure
@@therealdaveseaman l havent seen any kv2's or t34's on the front line yet.
l guess your no russian military expert either, just spewing out the same BS as fake news. and that patriot did a great job of catching the kinzhal with its face 🤣
@@vidinius12 he likes to support them for some reason tho
Kinzhal is a pseudo-ballistic missile (if i remember it right), ehich makes its interception far more difficult than a normal BM.
That's called Quasi ballistic so is iskandar (barak 8 intercepted those in Armenia)
@@AlphaDefense iskander is also significantly slower. and any manouverbility makes interception harder and that scales massively with speed.
@@AlphaDefense , No! The Iskander missile was Not intercepted in Armenia. The President of Armenia first said this publicly that 'Iskander is useless'. But when the Russians proved to him that it was not Iskander (yes, the Russians have control over all the Iskander missiles in Armenia, by treaty), the President of Armenia again publicly announced that he had been 'misinformed by his military officers'. 😉
@@AlphaDefense Kinzal Mach 10. Patriot Mach 4. End of story. Almost forgot, Russia has been out of missiles since March
@@AlphaDefense you didn't talk about Patriot behavior against hypersonic speed. If saturation is the key then what's the point of being hypersonic?
The US may have a big stock of Patriot launchers, but they have a critical shortage of missiles and can only produce a few hundred of these missiles per year. Ramping up production to the level necessary to keep Ukraine supplied with these missiles will take years.
There is already a serious backlog in the delivery of these missiles, so even the small production quantities can not be supplied in total to Ukraine, without the US risking to loose it's customers.
Ukraine fired about 30 missiles in a few minutes, this is more then 10% of the US total yearly production.
Ukraine will simply burn through any stocks supplied by the west in no time, while Russia has increased it's missile production dramatically and can keep this going for as long as necessary and will keep pushing Ukraine to use ever more of these expensive toys.
Furthermore, Russia a whole range of other missiles which can be used to engage the Patriot systems.
Looks like Russians is not only demilitarizing Ukraine, but are also depleting the complete western military stocks.
The US can increase production of these missiles in no time if they felt like it ukraine will always be supplied with these missiles for the patriot systems if the US couldn't properly supply ukraine with these missiles they wouldn't have given them the missile defense systems
AA systems do not function alone, it is likely other missile systems were also in the city. I have not yet seen proof of what missiles were fired other than “we saw an explosion near where missiles came from (from a sudden different camera angle?) and we heard that a Patriot was damaged.
@@damikey18 Seems you're a lot smarter than the leadership of Raytheon, because they claim that it would at least take them until 2027 to double production and even that would not be sufficient to serve Ukraine's needs at the rate they are using them.
@@damikey18 the US cant even afford for sleepy joe to take a trip to australia so what makes you think they can afford any more on ammo production
As I noted, the cost/benefit is MASSIVELY on the side of Russia in the KINZHAL/Patriot duel. Russia can even use cheap decoys to simulate KINZHAL and force Ukraine to fire more of these expensive missiles. Cost/Benefit is the key, never mind destroying any Ukrainian Launchers-which is frosting on the cake.
Saudi Aramco was a drone attack, if my memory serves me right.
You had projectiles too
They forget to switch on the patriot .
Ur correct
Yup sets of sample.. when aramco attacked by houthis rockets.. ksa patriot air systems failed to intercept.. thats why saudi govt.. wanted to purchase s400 air defence systen from russia.. 😮😮😮
that patriot did a great job of catching the kinzhal with its face 🤣
Then there is the $ angle you didnt cover. These patriot missiles are aparently 5m dollars a pop. These dudes fired 30? in 2 minutes to defend against 2 kinzhals? 1 kinzhals? what was the actual threat? eitherway, that nut was super expensive.
I have also seen people claim that the US produces about 250 of these patriot missiles. If russia kept up the pressure and Ukraine keeps offloading 30+ missiles just to try and intercept a kinzhal, is that sustainable when they have to beg for more?
Kinzhal payload is cca 500kg, with speed of 10 Mach it is cca 290MJ of energy. So even if intercepted, how much of MJ's are taken away? In another words with this energy concentrated it will just continue striking the target. The only way to stop it is in initial phase, not the final one.
My simple calculation assuming that a Kinzhal is fired 1000 km away from target and moving at 5000km/h, it will reach Target in 12 min, that means for patriot to down it; it needs to intercept it 500km away from Target since patriot speed is 500km/h (Kinzhal moves at 5000km/h). Patriot can only start tracking at 160km distance, which means it will have 1.92 minutes to ready, fire and successfully down a Kinzhal and the point of impact between the two missiles is likely to be at the target; possible but not plausible for the patriot to down a Kinzhal
or an awac over poland detects its lauch platform before launch and preares a firing solution to hit it at 30-40 km away.
@@edthebumblingfool That is also problematic because Kinzhals are launched from a flying platform (Mig31) and the AWAC might not be in the range of the flying platform to detect discharge of a Kinzhal
@@edthebumblingfool They could also send duds to draw the fire of the patriot system, then a delayed kinzhal to hit the now spent defense system. This seems to be what they did from the vid l saw, the strike that caused the explosion at the patriot location came moments after the patriot had let out its load.
MACH 12
The PAC-3 Patriot missile has a top speed of Mach 4.1 or about 5022 km/h. It has an intercept range against ballistic missiles of about 35 km. It's also way more maneuverable than a Kinzhal. The newest radar for the Patriot family has 360 degree coverage but that has probably not been sent to Ukraine. Patriot batteries can and have shot down Kinzhal missiles.
2017 hypersonic dagger vs 1983 air intercept missile system - you do the math
The 1983 air intercept system did the math
7 times now
All successfully, it managed to calculate an intecept and carry it out for every kinzal fired at it so far
It did get hit by something, but not a kinzal. If it was a kinzal you'd have seen the kinzal go down in the video, leaving a bright hot trail as hypersonic movement though the dense lower atmosphere creates a plasma sheathe.
It must have been a drone or cruise missile that snuck through. Or a falling peace of debris. Unfortunately for Russia that means nothing though. Patriot is a distributed system, consistenting of many independent components, you can't take out all of them in 1 go without a nuke
The Kinzhal is an airlaunched Iskander missile. The design of the Iskander begun in late 80s, the first successful launch was in the mid 90s and it became operational in the mid 2000s. The Patriot was introduced and became operational in the early 80s but the system underwent significant modernization programs so basically nothing is the same as it was in the 80s except ofc the name.
@@d.thieud.1056 Patriot did not shoot down Kinzhal. What ukrops shown as "kinzhal" was a part of BetAb bomb without rocket booster.
The visual evidence shows that the Patriot was firing MIM-104 PAC-3MSE missiles. They entered service in October 2015. The system had a AN/MPQ-65A AESA radar. That entered service in 2017. The words "constantly upgraded" come to mind.
The Kinzhal is a development of the 9K723K1 Iskander. Development began in the Soviet Union in 1988. The first successful launch occurred in 1996. Kinzhal entered service in 2017.
That's 29 years to develop a missile based on what is a 1980's design and that is packed full of western technology in order to make it work.
That's the math.
Nice to see you did not let the truth get in the way of your propaganda story.
Patriot in Ukraine was version 2000000000000
If the kinjals missiles were really shot down , I think the US will be the first to boost and show of and say it outloud that their system are effective and that the russian wapons are dumb.
But up til now i ally see ukrainien official and fan saying that the shot down kinjals
Both us and Ukraine have posted photos of destroyed Kinzhals already....
@@tylerw6438 Sorry but i have seen the so called pictures of kinjal posted by ukrainian and i realy think they are thinking that we are stupid, lets be serious
@@awaki-essohouzou4531 the one from last week? Didn't russia even confirm it was a kinzhal?
They would have done it, they even claimed to have shot down 6 kinzhal and people especially in West were cheering before bloggers from Kiev posted footages of the real events. They were eventually arrested and faces torture and 8 years imprisonment
Just like the Ghost of Chicken Kiev lol. Cant trust anything coming out of Ukraine. Remember the Polish incident. If you look at the picture of the actual missile and see the one on display seems it shrunk hard and looks meh not the same. Propaganda!
i know everything coming out of kyviv are fantasies but when i heard about downing of hypersonics, i nearly chock on laughter. The mayor holding the missile as "proof", was out right hysterical. The guy was holding a missile that was no where close to the size of a kinzel. I cant believe they screw that up, lol.
The Patriot system has downed Scud hypersonics that could reach Mach 5 in the 90s. So yes its possible.
@@peter-xw1mu
The one shown in Kiev looked nothing like a Kinzhal and if anyone thinks it does
may I recommend SpecSavers
Yyou mean the war where it’s performance was so bad there was a congressional investigation afterwords!
@@peter-xw1mu please do your research into hypersonic missiles before placing a dumb comment like this.
Was Kiev actually captured last year then? To me it looks like Russian is talking shxt.
Logically it's not possible to shoot dawn kinzal missile by patriot system because kinzal is much more and more faster than patriot missile. It's illogical to say it can be shoot dawn at the moment.
You do know they hit them head on they don't chase them 😂
Its an ambush attacked even it is in their mind to fire , the patriot sense already so it just waiting the visitor them make the ambush.
@Sugbo Sugbo ha ha ha we can see they got scared of kinzal and firing their patriot missile blindly.
You can't catch a baseball because it moves faster than a human?
So if you run heads on towards a car it's impossible to get hit because they're going faster than you? Hmmm
It cant kill kinzal
it can but all the planets have to align while sacrificing 100 virgins to have a 1% chance of hitting and only if its coming straight at you
Tell the specs of patriot comparing to the specs of kinzhal. The one is not hypersonic while kinzhal os hypersonic..
Kinzhal is launched from a few specific planes so there is an advanced warning typically one is about to be fired. Also they are low in maneuverability.
Lastly interceptors don't have to out run what they're intercepting.... just get in the way. They head into them not chase them down.
trying to down a Kinzhal with a Patriot is akin to stopping a bullet with chopsticks - yeah, but no!
like trying to catch a top fuel dragster with a pinto, it will never catch it.
@@Tomcat71 dont need to catch up if they are both heading towards each other
Kinzhal is 2,5 X faster than a patriot.... And beeing hypersonic, it is still manoeuverable, not ballistic, but active tracking warfare ..... Hiiting one is at best an extreme luck at cost of intense saturation, but 6 is fantasy ...
What to do? Some people even believe Rambo is real.
Its obsolete they used Iron Man
Russia has reached stalemate according to Alpha. As I am aware from watching the news, the Russians are making incremental progress every day. You should change your alias to Beta, man, with that kind of analysis.
Hindu UK shill
Yes Ukrainians are winning just like us won in Vietnam and afghanistan😂
Personally, I appreciate the balance and objectivity here. Declare for either side, and it's on their media reports. Stalemate is a fairly accurate description of the conflict in the last few months, and doesn't merely parrot either side's propaganda stance. It is obvious that Russia did not plan for years of 'incremental progress' bogged down in a war of attrition, and the only winners I see right now are Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and JP Morgan.
@@JoesWebPresence war of attrition doesn't mean stalemate. Advancement in territory is largely irrelevant in attrition wars (except for local tactical scenarios which take advantage of geography). It is all about destruction of manpower and equipment, which is largely in Russia's favor especially after General Surovikin took command.
That's all clear @@gencoserpen1260 but current movements are a lot closer to stalemate than they are to breakthrough. It is clear this was not Moscow's plan from the start, and it isn't clear it's going to get them to their end goals any time soon. Sure, a slowdown isn't a stop, and Moscow's strategy seems sound, with the logistics and stats all favouring them, but nothing is certain in war. Unlike chess, inertia is more likely than momentum, and the tendancy for both side's efforts to bog down seems to be a constant in war. I appreciate that it isn't portrayed here as a massive breakthrough, or a crushing blow. It is what it is; a slow and protracted exchange involving urban warfare and long range bombardment. I hope there IS a breakthrough, and Ukraine's resistance DOES collapse, but only because I think that's the quickest route to ending the hostilities. I have no skin in this game either way, which is why I appreciate the even handed approach in this video.
The US produces 300 Patriot missiles a year. Ukraine used 30+ in 2 minutes. That is not sustainable.
How many Kinzals does Russia have? 200? probably under 100 now.
The west has way more patriots than Russia has aircraft or hypersonic missiles.
@@edthebumblingfool For all you know they have 300, 500, 1000. Wasn't Russia supposed to run out of missiles last year ? LOL What happened ? Also Russia is now producing over 1000 kamikaze drones at just one site. Think about it.
@@edthebumblingfool Even if they have under 100... They fire with together with a bunch of old missiles from 70 or 80s... Which they have by thousands XD
Its a business wise. Russia and Ukraine are the loyal Customer US is also helping Ukraine to defend democracy
This is the biggest scam ever... 2 patriot battery can never be in the same position... 1 was destroyed the news says 2... Oh shit not record on a 1.2billion $ scam
Either that or the ukrainians really messed up and kept them both in one spot.
@@icixie they did look pretty close ngl, their optimal distance should be I think 10-15 km in between
As if PAC travels in minute to hit the target, while kinzhal travels in seconds to hit the target. A fair analogy to both missiles.
Yea, but the Patriot missiles don’t chase their targets, they predict where the target is going and meet it there.
@@triforcelink
in Kiev, a case of wrong ballistic forecast
@@alessandrorovelli7058 That’s probably why they fired so many, if your chance of intercepting a kinzhal is 30% per missile, you fire 3 missiles and cross your fingers.
Want you all to note that often the specifications of the capabilities of these things are often falsified mostly to being weaker than they are as they are weapons hence best not to conclude that the public information is the accurate one regarding thier capabilities
Patriot a "really capable system" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The problem with your take that US will keep sending more missile system to ukraine is not so correct, there is actually a shortage of patriot interceptors (the missile themselves ),it is made by Lockheed not Raytheon and presently less than 1000 interceptors are made anualiy, even if the kinzal in question was taken out by the patriot system it took 30 missiles to do it! Please take note that the same US is stirring things up with China so Taiwan will be needing it (the patrot system) soon . It all plays in the Russians hands and they know it ,a stalemate it will not be, but outright victory for Russia it will be!
Taiwan has bought seven Patriot batteries. Over 10,000 missiles have been produced. There is no shortage.
@@patrickweaver1105 10,000 is that all? thats what 2 to 3 days supply for an active war zone
ya better keep producing
You do under that it did not take 30 missile to destroy 1 kinzal. They shot cruse missiles as well that were downed with the kinzal missile. Mind you the US/NATO has been preparing for a conflict with Russia/China for at least a decade….I’m sure they have stockpile on hand to handle both as their military budget is more than all the military in the world combined.
You really thing Lockheed/Raytheon is going to make public of accurate numbers regarding the U.S. stockpile and production 😂😂😂.
The real worry here is Russia which has already used most of its stockpile and had to go to Iran/China for help. Not to mention the tanks that Ukraine is about to get. The U.S. will ensure that they are manly protected not only with its patriots but also with the aircraft the Ukraine airforce is currently been trained on in Poland.
I remember when Ukraine thought Turkey would keep sending Bayraktar drones, but after several were destroyed, it stopped getting involved in the war. Turkey is now "pro-peace". Soon, US will join the pro-peace group
@@bjorn1583 You don't use Patriot for every bottle rocket Russia decides to lob over.
Yeah well try listening to mcgregor when he says hypersonic can’t be stopped
US is very good at narrative building and marketing. Their actual capability differs a lot from the brochures. Our vintage Mig-21 vs F-16 of PAF armed with AIM-120C was a recent example. 🙂
Depending on situation, any plane can shoot down any other plane. Does not mean it’s better. For instance, US propellor aircraft shooting down Nazi jet aircraft in WW2. Using isolated incidents as evidence won’t get you very far. When US air force faced off against Iraq air force (soviet equipped and flew some MIG21) the result was decisive US victory.
And yet there is no evidence aside from what the Indian government is claiming. It is very unlikely that an F-16 would get into a situation where it will get shot down by a MIG-21 pilot. This Pakistani pilot must have made some serious mistakes as F-16s even the older variants have much more powerful radar and all around sensors and avionics than the obsolete Mig-21. So it is highly doubtful that F-16 would lose to Mig-21. Besides even if thsi actually happen it doesn't mean anything. In fact American fighters were always overperforming againts Russian/Soviet fighters because the American are always designing their aircraft to be superior to the Russian jets according to the Russin jet's performance on paper. The problem for the Soviets/ Russians is that they always overestimate their capabilities.
I cant wait until the destruction of F16s and F35s!!!
Cause it's not a weapon, but a "product"
Your vintage mig 21 kill more of your pilots than Pakistani do .
1. You gave no analysis, we still don't know what weapon is superior between the two.
2. You were not neutral, your position sipped through the cracks.
3. This became awasted few minutes of mine as a viewer. You're a good sales man thought for a crafted title.
i dont think the US will keep sending the systems if it/parts of it gets destroyed, countries will lose interest in it. that thing costs around 1.1 billion.
Its a lend lease meaning pay later. That is business in making at this same time helping democracy.
@@sugbosugbo1987 it's a double edge sword scenario right now. RUSSIA said these systems will be a target.
@@sugbosugbo1987 there hasnt been a democracy in ukraine for over 9 years
My take is, MiG31 laced with Kinzhal is unstoppable , unless you are sending in a F22 to intercept it .
MiG31 is the fastest fighter jet in service and also is one of the highest flying , so when Russian geniuses plan an attack they take the jet to a high altitude within Russian airspace so that the Kinzhal descends with extreme hypersonic speed and the Patriot cannot intercept it in terminal phase , it will just whiz by the umbrella, well unless there is an accident.
There is very little chance of proximity detonation when something is moving over Mach 12 and Patriot is approaching it with high velocity missing the incoming projectile and detonating after it is out of damage range.Kinzhal is also smaller than the average ballistic missile - it is like one MIRV unit.
The Kinzhals struck one Patriot system and took out several ammo dumps .
Patriot system might have intercepted some other Russian cruise missile which were being fired to open up the airspace for Kinzhal's entry.
The West is full of loudmouths and propaganda these days , Russians always had been those lethargic cool headed genius striking at the right time and place after delays.
After all , MiG31 is proving to be deadlier than F35 these days.
Isn't accuracy also important for any missile?
How can you analyse such incident and completely leave it out?
My understanding is that the USA and NATO have run out of military equipment to give to Ukraine. The small amount that they're providing now will have practically zero impact on the outcome of the war.
Always funny when an air defense system is taken out by an air attack.
Always funny when there's literally nothing to substantiate anything russia claims.
@@lsq7833 Both the US and Ukraine admitted the Patriot system was damaged. Now that is funny.
was it, Looks like it was working today.
@@johannuys7914 Yeah but it was overwhelmed. It was not because it didn't perform. It took out 7 Kinzhals along the way as well.
Due to being overwhelmed not because it didn't perform.
When are you gonna release that video on Saturation Attack ?
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Best way to prove as to what happened is to show photos of Patriots before the attack and same thing after the attack.
The best way to spot for Russian artillery would be . . .
PATRIOT RANGE 60KM(not hypersonic weapon), KINZAL OVER 2000KM (hypersonic weapon) so I dont think a Patriot has any function at all.
Is Kinzhal a balistic or a cruise missile?
It's ballistic
Precisely quasi ballistic
Next step is emp nuclear blackout to disable all radar with interference from the high up fire ball. Then, all the systems can be taken out at the same time.
Some one counted at least 30 missiles launched before the boom so I'm guessing the thing was empty by the time of the boom, this isn't doom where dead things drop ammo it's real life where resources are limited and one out of 30+ is still only a 3% miss rate.
100% hit rate for Russia either way. They only need one or two to get through.
They fired 2 first, then when those 2 missed and then they fired everything to reduce damage , the missile then struck in the exact location the interceptors came from
@@72marshflower15 that's not a 100% hit rate but they got the media they wanted
@@72marshflower15 no, that is not how this works. Let alone we do not even know if a launcher was destroyed or what. There is a lot of evidence pointing to nothing being destroyed.
@@TheShorterboy and you mean 3% hit rate which is absolutely disgusting for any missile system, l think you have to go all the way back to ww2 with pre proximity fused AA ammo to get that high a fail rate.
Your take should include the fact that on 2 occasions, Kinzhal destroyed a military warehouse and also a NATO bunker inside West Ukraine, and 500 top officials of NATO lost their lives. Patriot plus others were obviously present at that time but all the defense systems were destroyed by one Kinzhal. What do you say? The West has not related this story for the simple reason that Russian hypersonic missiles cannot be intercepted or destroyed at the moment by Western forces inside Ukraine. They are afraid.
Kindly tell us what happened in Kiev few days ago.
Did Russia manged to destroy Patriots or Kinzals were destroyed by the Patriot missiles ?
Kinzhal was destroyed by Patriot, but when the Kinzhal met Patriot on the ground
Radar command posts and 5 launchers were destroyed and 16 operators were killed, most probably Nato operators
@@kamalchandramoney3541 That sounds correct...🙄
@@kamalchandramoney3541 Sad about the 16 operators who were killed.😪
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So you support the war against Ukraine, you do realize that they intentionally Target civilians raping women and killing women and children, school buildings, churches, hospitals leveling entire city's just to break Ukraine's will to fight how would you feel if someone invaded your country and an enemy missile hit your home and took out your entire family what would you do how would you react millions of lives have been uprooted because of Russian president Vladimir Putin's decision to invade Ukraine because Ukraine did not want to be allies with Russia and wanted to be allies with the West aka US.. if you don't believe me you need to do a little more research I've been studying the war since it started Russia just needs to leave Ukraine
@Cris Whiteside please wake up to the facts. You support a nazi fascist regime guilty of countless abuses and atrocities, and you want to pretend you have high moral ground whilst pushing lies and distortions. That's pretty sick. Stop watching CNN and thinking you can hold a coherent thought in your head
no you dont. besides St petersberg isnt in Canada, however keep working otherwise you will be in the trenches getting bombed.
Why? (just curious...)
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Just small hint for visual assessment what is Kinjal missile and what is not in videos.
Slowest speed of Kinjal at low altitude is Mach 5. It is one mile per second. Anything visibly slower is some older missile or drone.
Kinjal at it's medium speed of Mach 10 (two miles per second) cannot be taken by phone camera at all.
BTW: Patriot missiles speed is from Mach 2.8 to 4.1 . It means slower than Kinjal on iddle-gas.
You aren't chasing them for interception
Instead you calculate shortest impact point and go for it
Let's not forget that Patriot's success rate is only 28%. It's very, very hard for Patriot to intercept Kinzhal.
My understanding is that the patriot reaches Mach 3 whereas the Russian hypersonic missile fly's at Mach 5...as for the US inventory and ability to supply Ukraine's insatiable demand I think you are mistaken and as for a "stalemate" here's a proposition for you ... what happens when Ukraine runs out of men ?
It’s not Neutral when you don’t Tell the complete Story. Also you already show you aren’t neutral by using a thumbnail that pokes fun at the Patriot. For example the Saudi hitting the Patriots was because they weren’t looking in that direction and had no AA defenses facing it, so when they did detect it there was little they could do.
Subsequently its not like America sat still after that happened. They upgraded Patriot a LOT.
Calling the Kinzhal hypersonic is like calling fire hot. Ballistic missiles have always been hypersonic or close to it due to their design and operation. The fact that people make such a big deal about it now is purely propaganda. The missile has maybe some more maneuverability, but if it were a true hypersonic missile it would not be called a ballistic missile. So we know that at best the Kinzhal is an improved ballistic missile. Difficult to shoot down, but nothing like a true hypersonic missile.
That in no way proves that either side is correct, but we can guess at who is correct: Russia does not deny the amount of Kinzhals fired, yet they talk only about the impact near the Patriots. The other 5 either missed (missed a CITY), malfunctioned or were shot down. Russia is also quick to claim that just because an impact happened that it must have destroyed everything, but we have no proof (yet).
Khinzal is abit similar but is not ballistic missile coz it doesn't follow a projected trajectory. It manoueveres and change trajectory independently on its way to target. Ballistic missiles follow one trajectory and are only supersonic. The Patriot missiles are supersonic and can only intercept the Hypersonic weapon in its ballistic phase after launch. Thereafter its not possible at all after khinzal reaches hypersonic speed and trajectory. US defense expert explained yesterday that the only WAY THAT A PATRIOT CAN SHOOT DOWN HYPERSONIC WEAPON is before such weapon reaches hypersonic speed. 2ndly he said the other possible way is if the hypersonic weapon is not hypersonic as claimed by Russia. In absense of these two scenarios, he said there is no way patriot can shoot real hypersonic vehicle. Rybar published photos yesterday and geolocated the place of the Patriot in Kiev. One system was at Airport, another was in residential area and 3rd one was not fielded. One at the airport was destroyed completely, the residential one was just damaged. Check Defense Politics Asia last evening video upload on Patriot attack. Also check TeleTruth video upload yesterday on Destruction of Patriot. From the video u can see when the lightning struck the system with just fire all around but no more outgoing missiles.
Lockheed Martin makes the PAC3 interceptors, which is what was used against the Kinzhals.
But where's the analysis?
Good analysis like warning! "USA has large inventory of these missiles and can keep sending them in" well waiting to see the real"super power" of patriot systems. The world knows the capacity of Russian missiles but need to know the capacity of patriot. So I hope USA keeps sending them into Ukraine. Very soon Russia will take home a patriot missile battery and dissect it to know and understand it better.
this is wrong. Kinzhal is hypersonic missile that can fly at mach 10. Patriot can intercept ballistic but not hypersonic missiles
Is not relevant if kintzal hit patriot, the probability of a kinzal missile hit a patriot battery, after the battery is located, is absolutely huge. This is the math of this clash.
The main problem, that about the demilitarisation issue should point to Russia not to target the patriot battery’s, is the fact Russia being attacking with flying scouters propelled with a 2 stroke engine, with the price of a ice cream, and USA is spending Patriot missiles to the air defence against that kind of flies, millions u$d / unit.
This is the central motif to USA complete defeat in the ongoing war.
You didn’t show the current action in Ukraine.
Just explaining the products is not enough.
You were supposed to explain if kinzahl hit the patriot of what happened ..
Everyone knows the systems, so nothing new here.
Patriot can intercept a hypersonic missile such as Kinzhal??
not a chance in hell
No,it can't, Remember dear the us & it's big fat liar media can't be trusted at all..see u s still not succeeded to make a hypersonic missile so what made you think of intercepting of Kinzal hypersonic missile by u s , I don't think so
@@ethanmac639 exactly! then how the heck did Ukraine intercept Kinzhal?
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PAC 3 has anti ballistic capability! Khinzal is an airlaunched ballistic missile so in theory it can but not all of them naturally as those systems do not have 100% efficacy
Russia can and does use lots of decoys to overwhelm AFU air defense systems. They even use simple and cheap 'Kamikaze' drones as part of an attack, they don't need to launch many Kinzhal or Kalibr missiles. Patriot is an effective PIECE of an overall Air Defense system, but only when it is supported in an integrated fashion with related air defense equipment. As a stand-alone or near stand-alone system, it is vulnerable to saturation attacks. Since Patriot missiles and equipment are VERY expensive, the cost/benefit is massively on the side of Russia in this duel. Ukraine had to launch 30-40 Patriot missiles a couple of nights ago against only 2 Kinzhal missiles (and probably a lot of cheap decoys/drones). Assuming 40 missiles, that is $ 200 Million against maybe $ 2-4 Million for the Russian attack (not taking into account any damage caused by the Kinzhal missile). Russia will take that cost/benefit 24/7/365 and force the West into bankruptcy. This comparison needs to focus more on cost/benefit and less on 'Did the Kinzhal actually destroy Patriot Launchers?'.
the US had to cancel sleepy joe's trip to australia because of budget constraints so l dont think its long now
@@bjorn1583 Biden has been a clusterfalk on the Budget just like everything else, no news there. I'm sure the Australians are relieved they won't have to watch him drool, fall down or pee his pants.
Info this morning is saying no more use of patriots in Ukraine. 5 units of patriot were destroyed because ukrainians sold the position of patriots to Russia.
These units were manned by NATO troops who were destroyed.
USA has about 50 patriot batteries in stock and around world. The problem is the cost of the missiles coz in one launch in 2 seconds, 150-600 million is spend coz each missile cost 2 million USD in case of short range one, long range patriot missile cost 6 million each whereas Russia khinzal missile cost 10 million each. Russia uses one khinzal to just aim one patriot. The rest of the missiles Russia fired were ballistic, kruise and combination of both.
Kinzhal is NOT a ballistic missile.
Wow, I seem to have stumbled onto vatnik central.
You have not considered the Russian tactic. Which sent out a barrage of drones and other missiles to draw out patriot missiles and locate the battery before dispatching the Kinzhal to knock it out. Also, Pentagon officials are on record that they are considering moving the patriot battery that Russia destroyed back to the US for repairs.
The patriot was destroyed, and there is nothing to take back for repairs.
@@jaycee9752 I certainly hope so.
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Don't know for sure how effective it is, but there is the concept of "plasma shielding" missiles traveling hypersonic though air turn it into a layer of plasma that disperses the radar waves making the missile hard to track, also a conventional ballistic missile follows a predictable trajectory where as a pseudo ballistic missile alters it's path adding another layer of difficulty for the defender.
Theres an error here. Taking out 1 component of a patriot will not disable it. You have to kill eaither the command vehicle, or the radar. It you take out one of the launchers it will only desotroy the missiles in that launcher, bur the rest will remain functional. This is why patriot batteries are spread across a wide area when theyre actually opperating, so its unlikely thqt even 1 middile grttig through will disable it.
As for russias claims that theyve already desotyed both pateiots, its not possible, because i have a friend who lives in kyiv and he's seen it active, seens its missiles launch. Of you doing believe my wird you can look for thr countless videos that emerged yesterday night of it defendinc the city.
I mean, we know Ukraine has 2 systems, when russia inevitably sends another missile barrage, we will see who was telling the truth.
@@alispeed5095 Indeed we shall. The more missiles Russia wastes on destroying patriot interceptor missiles above kyiv, as russian propaganda would put it, the less they'll have to stop the counter-offensive
I can't wait to see Russia claim to have destroyed 7 patriot bzttied allong with another 43 HIMARS and the entire Ukrainian air force 3 more times
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The battery that was active in Kyiv was using pac-3 missiles
Well to be fair it might be a mix of pac2 and 3
This analysis is hilarious. Bread and butter for Patriot to intercept hypersonic missiles? Are you high or something?
A Mach 3 missile intercepting a machine 10+ misselile....
@@hardikilusdopadikus5465 dont forget even a broken clock tells the right time once a day
@hardikilus dopadikus yes, as soon as its up to speed it performs random turns and just makes itself impossible to down
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You don’t make any sense with your analysis . How you can fire to something the radar can’t pin point because of the sped of the missile is supersonic, the air defence system it was not designed to intercept supersonic missile . So what neutral analysis you are doing without taking in the account the specification of each one . The patriot system specification compare with the the Kinzhal missile specification . And further more did you see the videos what exactly happened, and how many missile the Ukrainian air defence shots but with no success because next second one of the defence system was destroyed and it happened to be the presidential quarter of zelenskyy palace defence system.
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ISW is pretty close to a neutral analysis. This channel not so sure. ISW seems to indicate that kinzhals were destroyed and the Patriot system was not destroyed. One other point that many experts would take issue with is that "Russia has everything it needs to continue the war". That kind of depends. If it means throwing troops at Ukraine, yes for a while longer, if it means semiconductors and other high tech components - nope sorry.
ISW is not neutral though , sorry. I've read their arguments , they are biased as they often cite Ukrainian sources. Sorry.
Kinzhal 1 Patriot 0 first part of the game
Ukraine didn’t shot down kinzhal rather it shot down some free fall bomb.😅
How's this a neutral analysis what you used over 2 mins to clearly State the capabilities of the patriot and then used a few seconds in a seemingly delibrate attempt to hide the capabilities of the Kinzhal 😂
You repeatedly termed the Kinzhal a ballistic weapon and was clearly hesitant to state it's supersonic properties especially it's mach speeds and how many times faster it is compared to the patriot..
Also, you stated assumptions as facts and that alone takes any credibility of neutrality. Russia still have more than what it needs so the so called support from China I BS as China is pushing for the end of the war..
I don't think it's hard to state it clearly that the patriot lacks the capabilities to intercept objects flying at over mach 6 speeds with a range of over 2000 kilometers. If I were to face any enemy who has that, trying to downplay it's capabilities would be the last thing I'd do.
Also, you tried to balance the possibilities of the patriot intercepting the Kinzhal and the Kinzhal striking the battery of the patriot to be the same chance. That's another lie, chances of a patriot intercepting a Kinzhal is almost an absolute Zero infact it would be a miracle.
Check the specs of the patriot. They weren't made for objects flying at hypersonic speeds. But the Kinzhal on the other hand despite all mainstream PR the Kinzhal has demonstrated an insane accuracy especially in the strike last year.
Destroying a patriot that seemingly emptied its launchers in a failed attempts to intercept a Kinzhal clearly denotes superiority over the patriot. It's not pleasant to the ear but that's the fact.
Seeing a destroyed missile with a seemingly created hole and say it's an intercepted Kinzhal is the dumbest thing you might have ever heard. Even if a Kinzhal at its terminal phase collides with a stone it's clearly going to produce more damage that that hole. So if a missile succeèds to collide with a Kinzhal they're both going to ve completely shattered almost beyond recognition.
Sentiment is the reason people fail to take critical reasoning into account. If I'm to face a dude with a Kinzhal I'd not go with a patriot. And if I'm to chose between being the dude with the Kinzhal or patriot I'd be the dude with the Kinzhal anytime anyday.
Luckily US could print money to pay for this Patriot missiles costing 5 mln each.
Weder Patriot noch iron dome haben eine 100% effizienz und bei hypersonic wird das noch geringer
Sorry, i really can't catch some words clearly. If i may, i suggest please put subtitle, youtube auto caption even failed to clearly catch the correct vocab or any pronunciation.
At least use native English speaker.. n stop acting as if india English accent is the most english..
Not everyone can catch india English accent. 😔
LOL, now *everyone* wants Patriot PAC-3. 😂
I don't think Russia used Kinzall..they used so.ething else to initially confuse or divert patriot missiles. Then came the Kinzal but Iwas too close to intercept..patriot lost
Good morning Sirs!
Little presentation what they can do, I'm sure that the message is received hehe
Russian missiles were successful in finding and destroying/damaging a part of a Patriot missile system....end of debate
Dont agree with last comment. Even if usa has lot many patriots why would they expend their stock on ukraine? Also the answer to the question "how many kinzals russia can field?" is"as many as they can produce". Its homemade for them but patriot is not ukrainian. So in longer run ukraine is in trouble.
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Good Analysis: Depending on how many Kinzhal Russia could launch, it would be hard to stop all.
The kinzhals, assuming you fire enough of them, can overwhelm the patriot system. How many is enough? Well in terms of identification and selection you need about 1500 incoming missiles to overwhelm a battery. However all patriot batteries themselves are a network, not all placed in the one area. So a three system network might be distributed in an area over perhaps 90 miles radius. So even if you take out a radar or command vehicle the launchers are simple moved to another system. This is a distributed network... Think internet not individual computer.
So when one unit, say a launcher is destroyed the system simply uses the redundancy of the other launchers to fill that gap.
However we still don't know how good kinzhals are and today's arrest of the engineering and science team all accused in Russia of treason sort of tells us the kinzhal project was hollowed out with corruption.
Either way what it also tells us is Russia are happy to advertise the effectiveness of patriot and give good reasons not to purchase kinzhal. It also tells us the Russian tactical nuclear missile deterrence is pretty much obsolete.
take out the radar or command vehicle and the whole system is an uber expensive paper weight.
gotta love the treason propaganda from the west to try and save face
and what about the 1/2 bil in weapons that got wiped out in one hit
American junks has been exposed again 🤣🤣