Could Patriot PAC-3 Or IRIS-T Defend Ukraine From Hypersonic Kinzhal Missile? (WarGames 98) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- We use DCS World to simulate whether Patriot Pac-3, IRIS-T SLS or Gepard can defend Ukrainian infrastructure from Russian KH-47M2 Kinzhal Hypersonic missiles.
0:00 Overview & Details
3:59 Predictions
4:49 Gepard Only
7:26 IRIS-T SLS
10:47 Patriot PAC-3
12:25 IRIS-T SLS & Patriot PAC-3
16:41 Su-27
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I think a cool scenario would launching all Kinzhals produced at a combined Patriot and NASAMS with a carrier group defending a port would be cool if they could catch them. You could add other cruise missiles to add difficulty
@@Mystical922 I think Nasams can't even defend to ballistic missiles, so ye hypersonic won't either. It's hard to make a realistic simulation since who knows how good this missile is? Or how accurate? It might be defendable tho with supersonic sam systems, since even hypersonic missiles aren't hypersonic full trajectory. Ideally would be to have pac3 & thaad to defend, or aegis perhaps.
And yea it's likely Ukraine will get Patriots as they've already arrived now :) will help especially against ballistic missiles.
@@bekeneel radar is linked together should provide a better radar picture than a single Patriot battery plus if the NASAMS is at the target location it could possibly intercept if it’s let’s say to the right of the target by 10 km it probably wouldn’t do anything but I’m not sure if IBCS is modeled in DCS. Aegis and PAC-3 and THAAD would be ideal
Why not use irisT SLM instead of SLS? Better. The plasma created from hypersonic missile tho supposedly makes it "stealth" for radars, tho ur right it's not exactly invisible if you have the right detection/tracking methods.
Hold up, the US have agreed today that they are sending Patriot to Ukraine...
he probably recorded this 2 weeks ago
@@Milleniumlance Yeah I was sure of that, just shows how quickly things change in Ukraine.
...yay more of my tax dollars going to Biden's corrupt business practices...
But unless they have been training Ukrainians on the quiet it'll be months before they can be deployed :(
@@Milleniumlance The uncontrollable coughing suggests not.
This man has obviously not been feeling well for some time and yet is still consistently giving us good content to watch... Props to you cap!
hope you get better soon, love the episodes
Aaand the second the patriot arrived it shot down a kinzhal
As of 5/5/23, we now know the answer! Patriot can, in fact, down a Kinzhal!
actually as of right now kinzhal has destroyed 6 patriots in ukraine
They never showed evidence,except a piece of metal that is nothing like the Kinzhal
It can, but their is one nuance🌝
Yes in a virtual simulator only
@@ColdBloodedAddictions hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, if definately didnt, as Ukraine only has 2 Patriots and only 3 Kinzhals have been fired at the Patriot. Of those 2 Patriots, arguably one was shot down (though it was most likely a shot down Iskander, or the shot down Kinzhal from the days before the May 16th attack. But the most likely case was that after the initial saturation attack, 2 Kinzhals made it through, with one missile missing the site completely and the other either directly hitting or hitting near one component of the Patriot battery. Which resulted in it either being lightly/heavily damaged or destroyed, though the component being destroyed is unlikely as it was operation and engaging aerial threats/missiles only a couple days after.
now we know for certain
The Iris-T is not only the wrong missile (short range S instead of middle range M) but also the wrong Radar (the less capable Giraffe instead of the modern Hensoldt 4D that Ukraine got)
Grim Reapers: patriot sucks!
Patriot battery: hold my beer.
Ukrainian Patriot operators after a few months of training: hold my borsch.
Ukraine just downed the first Kindzhal using Patriot system in the Kyiv area.
And it didn't even fly at mach 6.
8 now.
@@gaiofattos2 Lmao you actually believe the figures coming out of Kiev? they bs so much it's laughable, they always shoot down 100 of 20 fired russians missiles, besides one patriots definitely got wrecked by a Kinzhal in Kiev otherwise they wouldn't prosecuting the people who filmed the hit happening
Bro what is 'kindzhal'
The poor Gepard, lowered his barrels like he was sad when he could only turn and not fire.
According to ABC news in the US; today(Dec. 21st 2022) the government is expected to announce a new aid package to Ukraine containing Patriot missile systems.
And NPR is reporting that it may be a PAC-3 system
I love listening to how much fun you guys have together, doing these game's!!
P.S. "launch authorized" Capp
Yep, CAP a bit behind the times, it is PAC2 they are sending though.
They said a mix of pac 3 and pac 3 Mse and pac 2 have all been upgraded
Apparently pac3 just interecepted kinzharl today. Wild to think that i agreed with you when this video came out that patriot wouldn't go to ukraine and yet here we are. Obv new info and ukraine not exactly wanting to give info about it yet but pretty wild
I'm calling it fake news or a super lucky intercept.
@@skylerskyler2144 not fake news as the us military did confirm it was khinzal and saying it was a lucky intercept makes no sense when something is going really fast.
@@skylerskyler2144 saying lucky intercept is a cope
@@skylerskyler2144 cope
@@skylerskyler2144 6 in one night lmao. Not fluke and also cope
This one was a fun one, thanks guys. Kind of interesting to see all of them set out at once worked.
I've always been a fighter jet super geek. recently finding this chanel has been awesome. it's like being the tag-along for all of the fun stuff we never get to see. until the US provides a supersonic camera drone for UA-cam content this is as good as it gets. thank you I'm enjoying the hell out of this channel.
this is even better since you can war game scenarios that you couldnt do in real life , well thats my excuse and im sticking to it
Finished work for Christmas, sit in my comfy chair and boot up youtube and see im graced with your next video..
Great video!! Well done! Bravo!
Problem with the patriots in the 91 gulf war is that they were designed with fragmentation warheads to hit centre mass of the object no warhead in the middle of a scud. They didn’t do anything with the Abqaiq-Khurais attack. They do however have 100% kill ratio for friendly fire incidents
Apparently, you might be able to stop 6/6 Khinzal's with PAC3
Today answered the question. Yes 🇺🇲💪
very cool! thanks GR
I understand and applaud you on this "Stand Alone" test. In the real world, there are a lot more than just the Patriot's radar working for it. You'd also have Sats watching for thermal plumes of missiles, especially ones that large.
A few seconds would have been all it'd have needed to do better.
But then again, this is a sim, and I understand, and am grateful the real aspects are guarded by our country, to help make it work when it is needed.
Love your group, thanks again and keep it up.
I don't think Ukraine will be getting satellite launch warning or the like. In the US army the Patriot will be networked in and more capable, but in the way its about to serve in Ukraine they only have a few NASAMs and IRIS-T to link it up with, its a decent sim of that.
Goodness Cap, pls go get that cough looked at. It's been too long. Personal health is critical, above anything else. I don't think anyone here will begrudge you taking a couple of days off to rest and recuperate.
Remember you can only tie the low altitude record!
I would think that it would blaze like a super nova in infrared.
They also travel in the high atmosphere to reduce drag and heat.
Merry Christmas Grimm Reapers.
That cough was epic 😂
I really like these missions, and the fun you guys have.
But...Cap please bring that cough under control. It sounds worse than the day before. Take your time and get some days off. This is more important than releasing 1-2 Vids a day. We stay here on your side and wait for you until you have recovered. I wish you a speedy recovery!!
Lovely video, i'm just waiting for more Flight III and CMP content.
Cap... for that cough... honey and lemon in your tea, and no more than half a bottle of Jack Daniels every four hours. Thanks for the cool setup, Reapers!! Awesome vid.
In this week's episode of Cap trying not to die while laughing...
Get well soon mate.
"Hey guys, we defended Ukraine!" As the friendly missiles explode on civilian buildings in the distance 😂😂
reminds me of "we killed the terrorists" from Team America
i feel like some thing in DCS is holding the short rang systems back it seams like it only starts calculating a solution for the tagest once there in range like with the IRIS-T SL it sees all the targes but only calculates solution once the first Kinzhal gets in range i guss what i am trying to get at is that is very odd that the first one makes it and the 3 following it dont
also it would be fully intigrated to the air defence system so the IRIS-T SL would know about the incoming Kinzhal befor i could see them but i get that is not what this war game is about and DCS could probably not handel 100+ sam batterys to moddel a countrys air deference system but i would be really cool
Below treetop level can that be "normal" swedish level of attack😉... because 70-80´s training hight was 10 meter over land and 5 over sea... I know that when A-32 Lansen trained for attacking red invation fleet from Kaleningrad one A-32 have to go up to extreme hights as one pilot said so he could link the data to them, the hight was between 15-20 meter...
19:12 that was funny, I hope you get well soon!
The sounds Cap was making trying to laugh :D
In that Vid the back section falls of too. I think it might be aerodynamics. Now that I think about it what if its weight related you gotta imagine that the front is heavy.
Where did you find the mod for the KH-47M2 on the TU-22 ? Thank you very much
Listening to you guys is always very entertaining.🤣 keep up the great work.
I hope you get better and have an amazing Christmas
Can you also do a test with the Aster-30 block 1? It has an ABM role, so it would be interesting to see it.
(And add ASTER-15 & -30 to the simulation if needed, of course!)
Yup will be making Aster.
Little chance of interception with something coming in fast and low. ASTERs need some time after launch to steer on target properly. They are terrible at intercepting anything close, low and fast.
Flares don't work against IRIS-T. It has a very special seeker that uses a rotating senser with a slit and uses radar on approach. It can identify targets and is so precise that it goes for their weak spots and not their hottest spot. It can turn 180 degrees, acquire targets after being fired and also does home on jam. If you are a pilot tracked by an IRIS-T you are basically dead, except if you counter it with an IRIS-T maybe.
And they are also comparatively cheap, they cost Germany just around 400.000€ per piece including development.
13:42 that firing solution is so cool
SU-27 Cannonball !!!! Great fun and Bravo for multi-million dollar layered air defenses 😄
The tail section might just be for drag reduction in the the cruise or possibly to ensure good stability until the engine lights and pushes the missle supersonic, the X-15 used a blunt tail for hypersonic stability. A blunt tail is very high drag compared to a cone, so in the cruise nice to have the cone. Having the misses fly right at the SAMs really advantages the SAMs. A more likely scenario is that the missiles just fly through part of a SAMs engagement area on the way to another target, that really limits the intercept as the interceptor has to catch up, in this case with a missile that is faster than the interceptor. If you set up these attacks as fly past at say 5-10nm rather than fly over its more indicative of the usual situation. Also the whole melting thing was solved in the 60s with X-15, they use nickel alloys, similar to jet turbine blades, Inconel in the case of X-15 if I recall. In the case of this missile its a solid rocket booster, to regenerative cooling with fuel is not possible.
Those tailcones could serve the same purpose as a boat tail on a rifle bullet, reduced drag on the missile and the carrying aircraft. I'm curious of a tracked AAA using a GAU-8/A would make a worthy "CWIS" against a hypersonic missile. Computers tracking is awesome, but what really impresses me is a Peregrine Falcon hunting mid air at nearly 200 mph!
I presume the first stage is a maneuvering stage that simply manages the separation from the aircraft and putting the missile onto the correct trajectory to the target and then the second stage provides most of the thrust but offers little steerability.
What about NASAMS? Would be interesting to see how well they do seeing as they are also supplied to Ukraine by US/Norway
19:14 that noise LOL
🤣
Will these mods along with the AEGIS SM-3/6 and ESSM be available for download? If so does anyone know when?
Probably no .
Wow. weather is the factor to what if it's cloudy rainy snowing can radar be effective in different types of weather
Those sounds of Cap dying from excitement are awsome. Get well Sir. Edit. Sounds like Jabba The Hut sometimes.
IRL, wouldn't the Kinzhals be coming in on a ballistic trajectory?
Defending against four missiles is too easy. Next time, up it to twelve, or better yet, make it a mix of supersonic and hypersonic missiles to give the air defenses a real challenge.
Yeah, this mod will operate with a ballistic trajectory if fired from further away, I think they just had the Tu-22 closer to save time.
Wow, that was wild! Now that they have announced the Patriot battery, I guess your next obvious revisit of this would be to have a Patriot system surrounded by a couple of layers of S-300...and if the radars are integrated...that could be quite effective.
Un Fng Real. That was absolutely wild that they could pull that intercept off.
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Cool Vid CAP!! ;)
Also at some point, bear future pak 4 will be a thing, it’s basically 2/3 all rolled into one pak variant, with various improvements, including our (US) new stuff, of tying in with aegis and thaad, seamlessly, with either being able to control, track, lock, launch and guide, which is a thing for our current version, at least tests are done, confirmed to work, that was publicly released…so we could probably do that years. And years ago…ahaha.
Could you test a swarm of 20 to 40 (or more) of the flying doritos against the same set up. That could be a Russian attack method to remove defenses and fun to watch.
There are just two Mig 31 that can launch Kinzhals, one each. And there are about 10 Kinzhals ever produced. And they don’t fly at 5 mach near sea level. Better test shutting down Martian attack, same level of realism
@@TheProperMinter I think he means the Geran-2 UCAVs. The Kinzhal looks nothing like a dorito.
Agreed. This test run was overly biased towards one side. It would have been better to have more scenarios. What if the PAC-3s weren't on "god mode" for example? What if there were decoys sent in at the same time, etc.?
I would love to see how the German anti-aircraft gun would do against the kamikaze drones. I bet it would shoot them up. I also know that it cost 2 million per patriot missle and the kamikaze drones are only about $20 thousand per drone. I think the Russian would swarm the missle sites with kamikaze drones and take out power plant with missles once the NATO missle sites are out of missles or destroyed. NATO missles may not be needed of the anti aircraft guns can take out the kamikaze drones.
@@koskok2965 I think he mistook the kinzhal with another fake that only exists in Putins imagination and a 3D animation which was some missile for attacking US mainland and looked like a triangle although it might have been the resolution on that animation :D , neither is real, well OK they might exist as a soviet missile covered in paper mache just like all of russias ''new jets''
@6:14 Caps flem laugh had me absolutely rolling! Bahahahahahaha
I'm still not convinced that the kinzhal is hypersonic at low altitudes.
Not hypersonic at any alts, its a normal ballistic missile, iskander
@@TheProperMinter It's definitely hypersonic midcourse. Probably deeply supersonic when performing evasive maneuvers at the terminal phase.
@koskok2965 it travels at hypersonic speed at apogee, for sure, but any ballistic missile travels a hypersonic speeds, including V2 in 1943, the very first one. This is not what is called a hypersonic missile. Iskander cannot do any evadive maneuvers at terminal phase, its ballistic ebtry vehicle at this stage. Nothing more
@@koskok2965 my thinking was more like deeply supersonic unless it has to maneuver at lower altitude at all.
@@adamtheninjasmith2985 I too don't think that it's able to retain a hypersonic speed during maneuvers. However, the Russians did state that it does at least cruise towards its objective at a hypersonic speed.
I also went on to verify a unique piece of footage capturing the Kinzhal mid-flight over Ukrainian territory, at a "low" altitude straight and level trajectory. The footage comes from the earlier months of the war, when Russia was testing/flexing all its PGWs. I think they fired a total of like 2-4 Kinzhals during those days. Here's the title of a video containing this footage (first few seconds):
"Kh-47M2 Kinzhal - first ever footage in flight. Ukraine war, 18 March 2022."
Now in terms of the verification procedure: In supersonic, compressible fluid flow, an object in relative motion with a fluid, from a macroscopic (zoomed out) perspective, "tears" the fluid apart in 2 domains: one where the fluid is completely undisturbed (the information of the object-fluid interaction hasn't reached there yet) and another one where the fluid is disturbed (the information has managed to reach all the points in that domain). These two "seam" together very far away from the object, but we don't care about that in this case. The "disturbed" domain is conical in shape (often refereed to as a "Mach cone" ) and so is the boundary surface separating the 2 domains (the so called "shock wave").
The angle between the axis and the surface of the cone (the so called "Mach angle"), obeys the following equation:
sin(mu) = a / v = 1 / M
Where "mu" is the Mach angle, "v" is the relative velocity between the object and the fluid medium, "a" is the speed of sound within that fluid medium (e.g. 343m/s for air @ sea level and 20 deg Celsius) and "M" ( = v/a ) is the so called "Mach number" (a unitless measure of velocity using the fluid's speed of sound as reference. It's what we actually refer to when were counting Machs).
You can see that if we know either mu or M we can find the other one in a heartbeat. And so it begins:
Observation:
From the video, we observe that at the instant when the sonic boom starts to be audible (denoting that the camera has been just hit by the shock wave and is entering the very disturbed domain of the Mach cone generated by the Kinzhal), the angle between the ground and the LOS from the camera to the Kinzhal is extremely oblique, at around 5 degrees (correct me if you see something different).
Educated assumption:
As stated earlier, we assume a *straight, level* flight (footage visually backs this up and so does the published Russian data).
Application of elements of geometry theory:
With the assumption of level flight, the trajectory of the missile is parallel to the ground, and thus the Mach angle and the angle we just tried to eyeball, are equal to each other, as alternate interior angles (in the system of the 2 parallels and the intersecting LOS between camera and missile). So mu ~= 5 degrees.
Application of elements of supersonic compressible flow theory:
Thus, sin(mu) = 1/M --> M = 1/sin(mu) --> ... --> M ~= Mach 11.5.
The result is of course highly sensitive to the value of mu @ mu ~= 5 degrees, due to the function f(x) = 1/sin(x). For example, an estimation error of +-1 degree yields a Mach number calculation error of +-2 Mach @ mu ~= 5 degrees!
So this slightly excessive value in observed speed can be attributed to an estimation error in terms of the ground surface-LOS angle.
Who was that laughing @ 17:42 ? I was in tears listening to that segment which began with him predicting that a pilot would hit the mountain.
can we get a video of yall doing mid air collisions with the these missle?
A while back, GR did a CF18s replacement comparison between the Saab Gripen-E and F35 Lightning II.
Follow-up, the F35 apparently won the contract according to early reports coming out of Ottawa this week.
Of interest in the report, the current CF18s are in such bad shape, they are not sending them to EU this year to participate in exercises, to reduce flight time on the close to 45 year old airframes.
That's really old news, 9 months ago: "Canada picks the F-35 in fighter replacement competition" By Rob Gillies, The Associated Press, Monday, March 28 2022
That cough was epic :D Feel better soon dude.
*I wonder if barrage balloons would suffice.* Use the speed of the incoming missiles against them, by lining the balloon cables with explosives that detonate an entire 'minefield in the sky' as if SAM missiles were pre-positioned in the sky waiting for an incoming missile to pass by.
They used it to stop nazi planes in ww2
The kinetic energy of the missile debris will be more than enough to still completely obliterate anything behind those balloons. You'll save yourself from an explosion, only to create a shower of massive supersonic fragments that'll tear through brick, concrete, roof tiling and corrugated metal like butter.
@@koskok2965
I dunno...it might matter how far from the target the missiles hit the balloons. Because air resistance is no joke....it's amazing how fast debris slows impacting just air. Like trying to throw a leaf....the harder you throw it, the faster it slows to just a flutter.
The US is giving Ukraine JDAMS,can you test and see how Ukraine can use this (if possible) in a Russian AA network?
How would AA impact a bomb apart from hitting in the air with like a tunguska in manual shooting mode which I doubt even Ukrainians could achieve but definitely forget some russian conscript drunk on stolen vodka, the only impact AA has would be Ukraine unable to actually fly the bomb into the drop which considering they have like 40 jets left is realistic they won't risk it on stuff like crimea where there are countless AA batteries on the front AA has limited impact most of Ukraines jets have been shot down in the early days when they were dogfighting against multiple russian jets at once. The big reason they don't fly more fire missions is there is really very little impact they can make with the soviet era jets armed with soviet era munitions, unlike russia who was sold all the latest tech by the west for years right up until the full scale invasion Ukraine was blocked on purchasing most things
Work done in the 60's on how to stop a hypersonic ballistic said use a shotgun of ball bearings, they will shred whatever hits them and no guidance needed
If the radars have slightly greater range would that be more successful for the individual units
Isn’t the kinzhal literally just an Iskander missile that is air-launched?
Yes but Cap doesn’t care. The love spreading Putinsky propaganda and myths
A modified Iskander. The airframe has been slightly modified, optimized for high g maneuvers while in hypersonic flight. The missile's programming has nothing to do with the Iskander. It follows a weird aeroballistic trajectory, during which it initially dives to low altitude to occlude itself from long range AD systems. During its midcourse flight phase, it keeps cruising at that altitude at hypersonic speed until it reaches close to the target area. Then, during the terminal phase of flight, it pops up, gains some altitude and starts diving, homing on the target coordinates while maneuvering erratically at still incredible speed. It's absolute hell on earth for every single air defense system in existence and absolutely no specific countermeasures have been developed against it.
@@koskok2965 So any country can take any ballistic missile and turn it into a “hypersonic” unstoppable missile by reprogramming it? 😂 The US has had a hypersonic missile practically indistinguishable from kinzhal since the early 1960s called the GAM-87 Skybolt. Then there’s Pershing II, Sprint, and the SM-3 which all go hypersonic and can maneuver beyond Mach 8.
@@vincentphan5097 Can maneuver doesn't mean can conserve speed or can intercept. The target of the aeroballistic missile doesn't move. The interceptor's target however, the missile itself, has a HUGE potential for unpredicability and thus the most kinematically optimal trajectory that could be calculated against it is nowhere near optimal. This applies to all stochastic problems.
Also, why is there some unfounded impression that if the Yankees can't do it / haven't done it, then NO ONE can or should?
The Americans tried and failed miserably to produce a single titanium hulled vessel. The Soviets had an entire fleet of Titanium hulled submarines. The French made clowns of American pilots in NATO aviation exercises using their far superior electro-optical detection and tracking equipment, while keeping their A2A radar off for the duration of the flight. The Abrams still uses a license built German gun, while its armor design originates from Britain. The British -Tigerfish- Spearfish torpedo can achieve 75 knots, putting the Mk. 48 ADCAP's 55 knots to absolute shame. China is the only country on the planet possesion of anti-ship ballistic missiles. The R-37M long range air-to-air missile that Russia has been using to great effect in Ukraine has NO US counterpart. I can keep going on for days.
@@koskok2965 1. No, France like any other NATO member gets demonlished routinely in these large scale exercises involving any stealth aircraft. In the 2009 exercise involving the F-22 and Rafale the Raptor scored 6 BFM kills and 5 draws against the French. The Rafale got a single BFM kill which while arguably impressive isn’t crazy when you consider that it isn’t uncommon for the F-22 to be defeated by trainer jets in dogfights, yet no one says the T-28 is superior to the rafale or F-22.
2. The tigerfish torpedo has a speed of 35 knots while the mk. 48 has a speed of 55 knots. How is 35 greater than 55?
3. China has anti-ship ballistic missiles? So what, the US has AEGIS and stealth cruise missiles.
4. People always boast about the R-37 yet they always forget that they stem from the fact that the R-37 has those capabilities only because it is considerably larger. If the R-37 is so good why does the R-77 even exist? Russia is mostly reliant on the old R-27 anyways. The Russian Kh-31P anti-radiation missile is literally heavier than a harpoon AShM.
5. What makes you think the kinzhal is any different than any other MARV that has existed?
So the missle cant attack at mach 6, irl its closer to mach 3 even with fuel cooling they would just melt, u can look at the russian presentation of this missle and look at the inpact its not even close to the explosion it would cause if it would hit going hypersonic even without the explosive inside
This is the test of Zircon (Kinzhal but ship launched) ua-cam.com/video/YZW8oMo8Irk/v-deo.html
As you can see the impact isnt very impresive, but it should be 1.3778205066922 Tons Of TNT (based on estimated speed and mass of Zircon). Thats becouse even if it would go mach 12 (as russian media claims) it needs to slow down or it would combust becouse of the compression
Very good video, but what I think people mean when they say plasma stealth is not that people can't see it, it's that it apparently absorbs radar signals which would make it difficult for PAC-3 to track but rather easy for IRIS-T to track (although the IRIS-T test simply got outran)
Not true, plasma is a perfect radio mirron from outside and inside, reflects and blocks comms, mega visible on radar
@@TheProperMinter en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth
@@TheProperMinter it isn't that it is "invisible", it is more that the exact location is not precise. Therefore it is hard to get a very specific trajectory prediction. The plasma field warps and isn't static like a object without a plasma field.
@@Jean-Seb maybe, but enough to alert a scanning radar, IR can see it probably from 100 km or more, its Basically a meteorite
I wonder how well cooperation between the patriot and Iris-T would be irl
Super good as the patriot isn't modeled correctly in dcs
please could you let me know what i need to purchase to as close as possible recreate your Ukrainian missions.
19.11 when your souped-up nova's exhaust falls off
Great grins!
19:15 mate did you mustard gas yourself?? Lol 😂 quite the nasty cough
Hope you recovered nicely though!
Great video GR
Can you try a Russian SEAD on the Patriot site or just saturation
"is it likely that America will ever supply patriot to Ukraine? almost cetainly not" this aged well considering the video was relised only 2 days ago lol.
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Could you include sky sabre in a video please? And in general just more british stuff.
8:38 Actually, the Saturn V engines used a gas generator cycle, which means the pumps that flow the propellants fast enough to maintain combustion are basically powered by a big jet engine. The exhaust of that engine is then dumped in a ring around the nozzle which created a film that keeps the nozzle cool. Still very hot, but cool enough not to melt.
You're probably thinking of the Space Shuttle engines, which do in fact use liquid hydrogen to cool the nozzle, since they don't have any kind of generator exhaust to use. This keeps the engine nozzles nice and cool, cool enough that frost can form on the outside while the engines are firing.
Sorry about the "well, actually", but I'm a bit of a rocketry nerd, so I hope you don't mind the correction.
Hypersonic missiles are unguided within the plasma shield so relatively useless against mobile targets. It would have to slow down for any radio to get through to its sensors
19:13 what was that demon you just exorcised from your body? 😂
This mission almost killed cap fo real…coughing to death…glad you are recovering
You should do an intercept with one F-22 agains several enemy aircraft, starting with missiles stored externally (no stealth) and then having the f-22 essentially disappear from radar once the missiles are fired
Lol, like others said. We just agreed to supply patriots, in a new, additional 1 billion USD package, that gets them about 3 launchers. With accelerated training for a Patriot battery crew for each one. And I’m guessing extra missiles, and probably a few other things too.
I don't think that at 1:47 is necessarily a Russian cruise missile or at least a Kalibr missile. First of all Russia fires many different missiles (not only Kalibr) and slow flying Kamikaze drones (and the latter is way more likely what it was). Plus they fire decoy missiles. So, while its possible that it was a Kalibr cruise missile, i very much highly doubt it that it was Kalibr. US is planning now to ship Patriot missiles to Ukraine, but only a single battery. They would be manned with very rapidly trained Ukrainian crews that have never operated them, so why give them max skill? The problem is with this video is that the fragments would simply not catch up with the hypersonic missile in time, even if the defending missile would proximity detonate. Basically the timing would need to be perfect and as we have seen if the missile is destroyed at the last moment, its fragments will still impact the target with quite decent damage. The tracking is not realistic in this game and the physics are simply not accurate enough in this game, plus Russians would fire decoys and the hypersonic missiles should have variable trajectory. Kinzhal is basically a beefed up air launched Iskander missile.
Idea for future:
There is a raging debate about A-10s in contested air space for close air support.
Two things recently introduced are HARM missiles (on fighters providing CAP), and most recently JDAMs.
My question is the following. Could A-10 (or frogfoots) fly in low (just like the helicopters do) from behind the front lines, then at the moment of release climb to loft the JDAMs and still get away from say a nearby Panstir behind the Russian front lines.
Having experienced the Khinzal attack twice in Kyiv, I can tell you they are very hard to get beaten unless there's Patriot or Samp/T involved.
Turns out you were right.
@@maxklinger1494 it was quite a wild night on the 4th of May when it was intercepted that night.
Cap (or rather Cortana) wouldn’t air defense sites be deployed around a critical asset rather than in back of it?
The Khimzal has a very high failure rate. It's over 50 percent. It's not a new weapon, it's a modified nuclear capable cruise missle. Ukraine has a partially intact Khinzal that crashed in a mud field
The only advantage of launching from Mig31 and not from the ground is double the range, period. Google the Iskander, its just an air launched Iskander
1 couldn't shoot down the first one but was able too hit the second one and the other one was hitting the other
Guys how to launch Kinzhal with AI ? i used Mig31k mod with Kinzhal from mr.JSN 64, but idk how to launch the kinzhal, the mig alway pass the target and go to airbase
The Kinzal uses ballistic trajectory,, it's not a hypersonic glide vehicle just like Iskander! Nothing new, but sir launched ballistic missiles
So, why place the Patriot system on the FAR side of the target, instead of between the target and the launch zone like you did the others? Is there some aspect of Patriot deployment doctrine that requires them to shoot over the area they're intended to protect, rather than shoot from the property itself?
It's a angle of attack issue. Munitions normally expose them selves and slow down before striking a target, so by putting the patriot on the far side, it has a better angle of attack as the incoming munition is likely as exposed as possible. The easiest example is how a tomahawk rides low to the ground, then slows and jumps up realativldy high before striking a target.
At 15:00 you mention the Patriots poor performance against the Scuds. Keep in mind they redesigned the fuse on the Patriot to be more effective against balistic missiles. The Patriot's problem in Desert Storm was that it would detonate too far away from the incoming Scud because it was designed to shoot down aircraft that are much more susceptible to fragmentation than a ballistic warhead. Modern Patriots should be theoretically much better against ballistic missile threats than early 90s Patriots, not just in terms of guidance and kinematics but also because they have purpose built ABM fuses.
Violet is the WOMAN of my dreams! Those flying skills are up my alley
we actually did find out...