So moral of the story is if you save money on a gun you’re gonna end up spending it anyways in tacos down the rd so just buy a higher end gun to start with !!🤙🏿🤙🏿
Thank you Guys for for sharing this great information The competition was great Nothing better then friends getting together shooting or hunting God's Blessings to Guys on all your adventures
Nice job Brady, glad to see this after the free throw comp. All you guys did good, this it the content people (at least I do) like to see in the off season. Sharpen them skills men and keep up the great work.
liked and subscribed! I'm new to muzzleloaders, just picked up the CVA accura, and now am in awe of the bolt action!, I might have caught some sort of fantastic new sickness!! anyway great video, Nice Shooting!
thanks for the video guys. for the next one, maybe you could each shoot a three shot group out of each muzzleloader (for a total of 9 shots per gun) so that its more of a gun comparison than a shooter with his gun...
@@joshcc1974 well I dont believe you could do it if I payed you...so it's best dont even try....I have 3 custom Thompson encore rifles and 2 custom 15" encore pistols..I could not shoot a piece of shit power belt at 100 yards 1" group for 1000 dollars... but I guarantee I can get one or all five of my encores to shoot 1" at 100 yards..but it's with a shockwave sabot and cleaning with 4 to 6 patches between shots..
While it is cool soo what the different price points buy, this was really a test of the shooters, not the guns. Need to have one guy doing all the shooting to test the actual gun. Shooter #2 was shooting off the forearm for his first 2 shots, then off the barrel for shot 3, not going to get the guns best groups that way. Shooter #3 had the best setup for my money. Thumbs up.
Agree. Josh wanted to shoot his gun sort of like a real hunting situation since he doesn’t use a bipod on his muzzy. Whereas Ryan and myself always have a bipod. I felt bad we didn’t have a backpack for Josh to shoot off of. But he made it work with his shooting bags. We talked about doing a second version the same day like that where one person does all the shooting. But during these times… I like saving my bullets, primers and powder as much as possible. Glad you enjoyed the video!!
I think that if Josh stopped using powder pellets and went with BH209 measured by weight he would also have a lot more consistency between shots. My own groups tightened up significantly making that change.
Glad I stumbled across this. Planning on buying a bargain basement set up so I can hunt more muleys here in NV. Archery is too expensive and intensive and I don't like deer in velvet (like shooting an unripe banana) Muzzy>archery all day!!
“Archery is too expensive” How? Compared to muzzy? two of the muzzle loaders in this video, in their configuration, are well over 1k. The ArrowHead total setup is easily over 2K. Granted, over the two seasons (Archery & Muzzle loader) in the long run, the muzzle loader may end up being a cheaper investment. We do go through compound bows like underwear every year. A better sight, shaft, or broad head to get. So maybe muzzy is cheaper in the grand scheme of things. But if you wish to have maximum odds, you do all three archery, muzzle, and rifle.
@@travisbennett9751 Cuz if I went archery I'd want a decent set up and there's more add ons. Plus it takes an insane amount of practice in comparison. The main thing is I don't want to kill a deer in 95 degree heat in velvet. More chance of meat spoiling and velvet antlers are NOT my thing. September is a much more pleasant month to hunt than August.
Get a t/c impact. Put a good peep sight on it and go hunting. Inside of 200 yds it's as accurate as any of these rifles. I paid $230 for the gun and about 40 for new sights. 250g sst sabots for wa. And 300g hammers for co. Bh209 powder and 209 primers. Unless you enjoy spending extra $ with minimal return, then sky is the limit. In my experience the sst muzzloader bullets hold together much better than the .308 or .284 sst that I have used in a modern rifle.
Great vid. The .45 was at a clear advantage. It would be interesting if you tried Knight’s ultra-lite setup for elk hunting and Knight’s 10 mm Peregrine. Which I think could take the arrowhead. Great shooting!
I dont understand why pellets are so popular. Premeasuring powder and putting them in vials is easy and actually cheaper. You can fine tune you load and get better results. Are pellets really that much easier to load than dumping a small vial down the bore??? I dont think so
Josh, it's not the rifle that is holding you back, it's those pellets. Start developing a load using powder, any powder, pyrodex, 777, goex, swiss, bh209. They will all outperform any pellet! Bh209 is the best, but tough to find. Good luck, but with a little experimenting, you can compete with those overpriced rifles. I know this because my CVA Kodiak Magnum with 85gr of pyrodex with 240gr Hornady FTX bullet would have easily won this contest.
Did you have any issues with the Powerbelts gas check hitting the MZ Rex 2 muzzle break on the CVA Paramount Pro Colorado. How long did it take to get your muzzle break. I ordered one several weeks ago and have not heard anything. I sent an email this past week and crickets.
cva break opens suck, ive owned three , rem 700ml or knight is way more accurate, both mine shoot thor bullets in 1 and a half in groups at 100 yds . cva is a 5 inch gun at best.
To be fair you should have taken the cost and divided by the group size. If the guy with the most expensive gun doesn’t win it’s definitely the shooter.
So is it worth it going all in on one of the better ones for someone getting their first one? A customer of mine put a TC Encore in my hands the other day and it felt awesome. I like nice rifles, but I want to get into muzzleloaders and not sure where to start.. encore, triumph, accura, optima, maybe that new nitro fire that seems super easy and way safer...
Great video, you guys should have really tried a woodman arms patriot built in Fremont NH, small operation keeps them from blowing up but you can’t find a better built or more accurate muzzleloader.
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
If you have a paper bill of any denomination, you always have a ruler, 6" long X 2 &9/16" (1/2"). I am curious why you did not use scopes, I haven't seen any hunters using open sights for hunting in any terrain. I did enjoy you testing competition.
Lol.. I was the first person to setup the paramount pro colorado with this rear sight and muzzlebrake. I posted it on the official paramount Facebook group. Glad to see it caught on.
Glad we’re staying true to the primitive in primitive weapons season. Do you guys not realize that the more efficient the weapon the less opportunity we’re gonna have for future of hunting!?
You can do as good or better with almost any gun. I have 2 TC firehawks and 2 whites.... Nothing special......I use pyrodex and hard cast lfn bullets in harvester sabots. Have shot clean through elk end to end!!!! Better terminak performance than my 338 win mag. I wouldn't use anything else.
I think it's notable Ryan and Brady's groups were the tightest using the Blackhorn 209 powder. I switched to BH several seasons ago after finding it to be vastly more consistent over any of the pelleted powders and even loose Triple Seven and Pryodex. After making the switch to BH, my groups closed considerably, mostly like seen by Josh and Brady's groups seen in the challenge. I'd be curious to see what Josh's groups looked like if he was shooting BH.
Honest opinion of the video, don’t use the 2nd guy again unless he can take it serious, whoever edited the video the 2nd guy got the velocity wrong based on what was on the screen....... just keep Brady and Neville least they’re look like backcountry hunters.
This test is a fraud. Cva with 50 grains and other with over 100 grain. Should be same powder and same bullet weight. Then there wouldnt be that much difference at 100 yards
The fact that he was using pellets was already a sign his gun wasn’t going to be consistent. When I hunt with pellets I weigh all my pellets and make sure they all weigh the same.
Well you was just saying that there wouldn’t be a difference if they all weighed the same. Problem is the pellets aren’t accurate weights. So from the start the pellets was going to be at a disadvantage. I shoot both and I can tell you by sorting out your pellets prior to shooting you’ll have a some what consistent spread. Now another thing they need to check is seating depth. That’s why I mark my ram rod. I’ve seen deviations in just that alone.
We'd love to use more muzzleloaders in a video like this, these are just the ones these guys personally paid for and personally use. We are not a company that gets given everything for free. If you have some more muzzleloader brands and powder and bullets, please send them our way :)
I was thinking for myself , and maybe plinksters and for making it not overkill for small game but also able for large game was an muzzie somewhere in the neighborhood of .20-.30 caliber . I was leaning more towards. 25 calibers ( 25acp , 6.5 , and 25-06 ) or 7.62/30 cal but by looking at reloading supplies the .30 cal due to abundance of those rounds ; like 300 RUM , 30-30 , 30 carbine , 30 super etc etc . So an combustion chamber that can hold maybe 200g down to maybe 33g or smaller and for the igniter .22 blanks due to the .22 always seem to be in supply even during recessions vs , actually I can't even find the 209 primers , percusion caps , or 32 blanks . Although a rifle that can deliver 300 magnum power and still fire a small handgun bullet may be too broad , even though they definitely could make spacers to put in combustion chamber to keep powder bunched up for better chance of firing , but maybe something that has a power range between 7.62 handgun loads to 7.62x39 or 7.62x51-300 RUM . I think I would love the fact that I had a rifle that could deliver magnum power if I wanted it to but also be able to chamber a bullet small enough to take out small game without it being overkill . Did I also mention maybe an option for a 34" barrel for long range shooting if desired .
Arrowhead is legit! I am looking into the TC encore build they do
So moral of the story is if you save money on a gun you’re gonna end up spending it anyways in tacos down the rd so just buy a higher end gun to start with !!🤙🏿🤙🏿
$7200 buys a lot of Deer Taco's.
But worth every penny@@MrNikkoz
Tacos r always good!
Thank you Guys for for sharing this great information The competition was great Nothing better then friends getting together shooting or hunting
God's Blessings to Guys on all your adventures
Bought a scope in your Vegas store yesterday, thanks for the tour! Great building!
Thanks for coming by!
Nice job Brady, glad to see this after the free throw comp. All you guys did good, this it the content people (at least I do) like to see in the off season. Sharpen them skills men and keep up the great work.
Nice rifles guys nice shooting shoot 50 years I love any kind of muzzle loaders guy still nice job
The arrowhead cost more then my first car and divorce 😁
that's a cheap divorce lol
@@ArrowheadRifles yeah didn’t have much then 😁
@@ArrowheadRifles that rifle sure does shoot sweet though. It’s the old saying you get what you pay for
Would have liked to have seen another attempt with the CVA. Had to be user error.
liked and subscribed! I'm new to muzzleloaders, just picked up the CVA accura, and now am in awe of the bolt action!, I might have caught some sort of fantastic new sickness!! anyway great video, Nice Shooting!
Thanks for checking out the video and subscribing!
Enjoy the CVA Accura 🔥
thanks for the video guys. for the next one, maybe you could each shoot a three shot group out of each muzzleloader (for a total of 9 shots per gun) so that its more of a gun comparison than a shooter with his gun...
I shoot an Accura and I love it, it shoots 1" groups consistently at 100 yards. 240 grain bullet, 100 grains. All stock.
that being said I do want a Paramount.
I'm commenting with respect..make a video and prove it
@@randyjohnson6845 not worth my time, I couldn't care less about proving it
@@joshcc1974 well I dont believe you could do it if I payed you...so it's best dont even try....I have 3 custom Thompson encore rifles and 2 custom 15" encore pistols..I could not shoot a piece of shit power belt at 100 yards 1" group for 1000 dollars... but I guarantee I can get one or all five of my encores to shoot 1" at 100 yards..but it's with a shockwave sabot and cleaning with 4 to 6 patches between shots..
I’d back that up with my accura, 1” at 100 yards no problem. I’ve shot 1” with my CVA wolf! 100 grains loose powder and 240gr XTP
Love the Ckye pod Brady! So versatile
While it is cool soo what the different price points buy, this was really a test of the shooters, not the guns. Need to have one guy doing all the shooting to test the actual gun. Shooter #2 was shooting off the forearm for his first 2 shots, then off the barrel for shot 3, not going to get the guns best groups that way. Shooter #3 had the best setup for my money. Thumbs up.
Agree. Josh wanted to shoot his gun sort of like a real hunting situation since he doesn’t use a bipod on his muzzy. Whereas Ryan and myself always have a bipod. I felt bad we didn’t have a backpack for Josh to shoot off of. But he made it work with his shooting bags. We talked about doing a second version the same day like that where one person does all the shooting. But during these times… I like saving my bullets, primers and powder as much as possible. Glad you enjoyed the video!!
I think that if Josh stopped using powder pellets and went with BH209 measured by weight he would also have a lot more consistency between shots. My own groups tightened up significantly making that change.
Two long range guns with bipods against basically a MR off a bag...you guys suckered him into dinner.
Thanks guys. This was helpful. I own 2 of the 3 muzzleloaders you tested and like them both.
Do you own the paramount?
Glad I stumbled across this. Planning on buying a bargain basement set up so I can hunt more muleys here in NV. Archery is too expensive and intensive and I don't like deer in velvet (like shooting an unripe banana) Muzzy>archery all day!!
“Archery is too expensive” How? Compared to muzzy? two of the muzzle loaders in this video, in their configuration, are well over 1k. The ArrowHead total setup is easily over 2K. Granted, over the two seasons (Archery & Muzzle loader) in the long run, the muzzle loader may end up being a cheaper investment. We do go through compound bows like underwear every year. A better sight, shaft, or broad head to get. So maybe muzzy is cheaper in the grand scheme of things.
But if you wish to have maximum odds, you do all three archery, muzzle, and rifle.
@@travisbennett9751 Cuz if I went archery I'd want a decent set up and there's more add ons. Plus it takes an insane amount of practice in comparison.
The main thing is I don't want to kill a deer in 95 degree heat in velvet. More chance of meat spoiling and velvet antlers are NOT my thing. September is a much more pleasant month to hunt than August.
Great video great footage thanks for sharing!
Get a t/c impact. Put a good peep sight on it and go hunting.
Inside of 200 yds it's as accurate as any of these rifles. I paid $230 for the gun and about 40 for new sights.
250g sst sabots for wa. And 300g hammers for co. Bh209 powder and 209 primers.
Unless you enjoy spending extra $ with minimal return, then sky is the limit.
In my experience the sst muzzloader bullets hold together much better than the .308 or .284 sst that I have used in a modern rifle.
I always used T C I have a few different muzzle loaders. But my impact is the best.
That's good accuracy from the two rifles
Awesome thanks for posting
I didnt even know it was possible to find a muzzleloader setup that cost 7200 dollars that is absolutely insane
The bolt actions are not legal in Washington where they require open ignitions, right?
Great vid. The .45 was at a clear advantage. It would be interesting if you tried Knight’s ultra-lite setup for elk hunting and Knight’s 10 mm Peregrine. Which I think could take the arrowhead. Great shooting!
I wouldn't say "clear" advantage. The last group was a .50 and nearly identical.
Brady - What made you chose the NECG N-106 vs. the Williams Peep site? Very curious, as I am setting up a Colorado legal ML as we speak. Thanks!
Nice intro!
Just curious why you’re all running the lee shaver inserts over the williams or lyman?
I dont understand why pellets are so popular. Premeasuring powder and putting them in vials is easy and actually cheaper. You can fine tune you load and get better results. Are pellets really that much easier to load than dumping a small vial down the bore??? I dont think so
Pellets are banned in Colorado
Pellets are popular because they are easy. Plane and simple. Remember MOST hunters are in the "good enough" crowd.
Josh, it's not the rifle that is holding you back, it's those pellets. Start developing a load using powder, any powder, pyrodex, 777, goex, swiss, bh209. They will all outperform any pellet! Bh209 is the best, but tough to find. Good luck, but with a little experimenting, you can compete with those overpriced rifles. I know this because my CVA Kodiak Magnum with 85gr of pyrodex with 240gr Hornady FTX bullet would have easily won this contest.
Did you have any issues with the Powerbelts gas check hitting the MZ Rex 2 muzzle break on the CVA Paramount Pro Colorado. How long did it take to get your muzzle break. I ordered one several weeks ago and have not heard anything. I sent an email this past week and crickets.
Just now realized through your odds that I'm probably going for a muzzleloader hunt next time I draw
Love to hear it, fingers crossed!
MY THOMPSON CENTER LOL
cva break opens suck, ive owned three , rem 700ml or knight is way more accurate, both mine shoot thor bullets in 1 and a half in groups at 100 yds . cva is a 5 inch gun at best.
1" on mine, not 5".
To be fair you should have taken the cost and divided by the group size. If the guy with the most expensive gun doesn’t win it’s definitely the shooter.
Cva for the money.
So is it worth it going all in on one of the better ones for someone getting their first one? A customer of mine put a TC Encore in my hands the other day and it felt awesome. I like nice rifles, but I want to get into muzzleloaders and not sure where to start.. encore, triumph, accura, optima, maybe that new nitro fire that seems super easy and way safer...
Cva optima is probably the best bang for the buck just starting out.
My CVA shoots 1” with borelocks and blackhorn 209. 👍👍. It’s not going to get better than that. It’s nothing special, just off the shelf.
Shooting for groups, should have just held where your hold was for the first shot lol
What kuiu jacket is Chris Neville wearing in this video?
That is the Kenai jacket
Great video, you guys should have really tried a woodman arms patriot built in Fremont NH, small operation keeps them from blowing up but you can’t find a better built or more accurate muzzleloader.
I just looked that muzzleloader up. That is a true work of art. Beautiful muzzy! Appreciate you sharing that, I'm going to look into them more.
No problem, I love what you guys do at go hunt. Keep up the great work!
First muzzle video where I ever saw anyone with a ramrod or powder or bullet in there hand ..
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay
These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
Longer the barrel the accuracy tunes in more.
If you have a paper bill of any denomination, you always have a ruler, 6" long X 2 &9/16" (1/2").
I am curious why you did not use scopes, I haven't seen any hunters using open sights for hunting in any terrain.
I did enjoy you testing competition.
I think it's a law in Colorado..no scopes..probably two states in all of the universe you cant use a scope on a muzzle loader...Pennsylvania
And Washington
Oregon as well.
Keep it real and show your skills otherwise what is the challenge.
And new mexico
I just put a peep on my knight Mountaineer and it shoots much tighter groups now. I get 3 shots in the size of a 50 cent peace
Knight ultra lite for the win
Add a bipod aka stable rest and see what you can shoot then.
Lol.. I was the first person to setup the paramount pro colorado with this rear sight and muzzlebrake. I posted it on the official paramount Facebook group. Glad to see it caught on.
I would like to see one shooter shoot each rifle for a true "rifle" comparison.
Glad we’re staying true to the primitive in primitive weapons season. Do you guys not realize that the more efficient the weapon the less opportunity we’re gonna have for future of hunting!?
Shooting primitive weapons is just as effective as modern ones, that's why bowhunters still bag lots of game.
Terrible rest on the second shooter haha
You can do as good or better with almost any gun.
I have 2 TC firehawks and 2 whites....
Nothing special......I use pyrodex and hard cast lfn bullets in harvester sabots. Have shot clean through elk end to end!!!! Better terminak performance than my 338 win mag.
I wouldn't use anything else.
Paramount issues ?
Not very accurate comparison when its different guys shooting each gun and they aren't all the same caliber
$500.00 FOR AN OPTIMA V2 YOU GOT RIPPED OFF BROTHER!!
Yep. Optima is way better value. Same barrel mfg process. Paying for bling/bragging rights
Wyoming doesn’t have a muzzleloader season.
ok
I think it's notable Ryan and Brady's groups were the tightest using the Blackhorn 209 powder. I switched to BH several seasons ago after finding it to be vastly more consistent over any of the pelleted powders and even loose Triple Seven and Pryodex. After making the switch to BH, my groups closed considerably, mostly like seen by Josh and Brady's groups seen in the challenge. I'd be curious to see what Josh's groups looked like if he was shooting BH.
Ill just try my luck with a cheap ass one lol
210 Magnum primers? Not a thing....215 are Large Rifle Magnum....210s are standard Large Rifle
7 thousand dollars for a rifle is ridiculous
Honest opinion of the video, don’t use the 2nd guy again unless he can take it serious, whoever edited the video the 2nd guy got the velocity wrong based on what was on the screen....... just keep Brady and Neville least they’re look like backcountry hunters.
This test is a fraud. Cva with 50 grains and other with over 100 grain. Should be same powder and same bullet weight. Then there wouldnt be that much difference at 100 yards
Hey Todd. Josh was using three of the 50 grain pellets. So 150 total for his setup. I agree. 50 grains just wouldn’t have been fair either haha
The fact that he was using pellets was already a sign his gun wasn’t going to be consistent. When I hunt with pellets I weigh all my pellets and make sure they all weigh the same.
They are showing the difference in hunting setups , that is the point .
Well you was just saying that there wouldn’t be a difference if they all weighed the same. Problem is the pellets aren’t accurate weights. So from the start the pellets was going to be at a disadvantage. I shoot both and I can tell you by sorting out your pellets prior to shooting you’ll have a some what consistent spread. Now another thing they need to check is seating depth. That’s why I mark my ram rod. I’ve seen deviations in just that alone.
I know pellets are simple, but measuring powder is so much better and not much harder. Pre-measure the powder and keep it in tubes
AND YOU CAN'T SHOOT EITHER.
Atleast use more manufacturers
We'd love to use more muzzleloaders in a video like this, these are just the ones these guys personally paid for and personally use. We are not a company that gets given everything for free. If you have some more muzzleloader brands and powder and bullets, please send them our way :)
$7, 200 please !
I was thinking for myself , and maybe plinksters and for making it not overkill for small game but also able for large game was an muzzie somewhere in the neighborhood of .20-.30 caliber . I was leaning more towards. 25 calibers ( 25acp , 6.5 , and 25-06 ) or 7.62/30 cal but by looking at reloading supplies the .30 cal due to abundance of those rounds ; like 300 RUM , 30-30 , 30 carbine , 30 super etc etc . So an combustion chamber that can hold maybe 200g down to maybe 33g or smaller and for the igniter .22 blanks due to the .22 always seem to be in supply even during recessions vs , actually I can't even find the 209 primers , percusion caps , or 32 blanks . Although a rifle that can deliver 300 magnum power and still fire a small handgun bullet may be too broad , even though they definitely could make spacers to put in combustion chamber to keep powder bunched up for better chance of firing , but maybe something that has a power range between 7.62 handgun loads to 7.62x39 or 7.62x51-300 RUM . I think I would love the fact that I had a rifle that could deliver magnum power if I wanted it to but also be able to chamber a bullet small enough to take out small game without it being overkill . Did I also mention maybe an option for a 34" barrel for long range shooting if desired .