I deal with OCD intrusive thoughts and panic attacks that used to last so long and keep coming up through out the day, one of the most common thing I’m noticing in any issue and just life is the foundation of acceptance. Letting go of control and just surrendering to life, death, the fear that is always a possibility of being true. With OCD ones they usually feed into my fear of dying or loved ones dying and so learning that through another channel has helped me sm. He had a ton of funny things to say to the negative voice, my favorite being: “maybe, maybe not”. It’s like “omg am I dying rn?” -> “maybe, maybe not.” “I wonder if so and so is going to die/has died, what if they did/do before I talk with them/see them again?” “Maybe they will, maybe not.” It frames the situation of validating the real fear of the impending fate of death of all things, but brings a calm that is overwhelmingly positive in that IM SO GRATEFUL TO BE ALIVE AND CONNECT WITH PEOPLE AGAIN, so much so that my social anxiety is doing better too. But I do it to the self worry stuff too if “I bet so and so thinks this of me.” “Maybe, maybe not.” Because something Anthony Hopkins once said stuck with me too as a mantra, “it’s not for me to know what other people think of me”. Something like that, or it’s non of my business, basically we can’t know others thoughts and feelings truly so let go and just live and love and focus on the good as much as you can. Sure you can validate the bad/negative but I think reframing it is the most important aspect of validation of that thing, THATS the missing piece once you move past it and truly start living EVEN with negative emotions, sensations in the body, and events. You’ll slowly relearn how to regulate, give it time, it’s a process. Getting to the point where you’re at took time, it’s gonna take time to undo that.
so well put. I agree this works but only in the trained mind. that has been trained to observe the self. So after years of training to observe the self through meditation, now when I get them I can see myself and watch it pass but oh boy.. it is hard. I recently had a patietn have it, she was thrashing all over hte bed, sweating, BP was high, tachycardic and finally gave her IV ativan. It was hard to watch. They are real. One time when I had a panic attack, a kind airline crew lady held my hand ( this was after I annoucned that I was a physician on the plane lol ).. it was embarrasing but I am human too.
A lot of smiling about something that feels like paralyzing terror for no good reason. I wonder if people falling off a cliff feel this way, or a claustrophobic person wedged in a narrow cave passage, or a person with a phobia of snakes having a snake fall out of a tree and land on them, do they feel the same thing? But there is no cliff, no snake, no cave, and that makes it much worse. You're right that it passes in 15 - 20 minutes, kind of like a tornado over your house, but there's no tornado.
I'm gonna time my next attack! Right now when panic comes, I concentrate on full controlled breathing and look in my mind(thoughts) and my environment to find the trigger. I think it is about 15 minutes. I think looking for the trigger or real present physical danger is allowing the panic to BE. Maybe. But. I do like that you wonderful ladies are teaching acceptance of what is.
How do you stop yourself from managing the future threat, eg im in a panic because ive had abusive messgaes from x, now i have to predict and pre empt probable future sabotage from them ? HOW to stop that planning foe the next threat ? Thank you
Great question. Definitely worth putting on my list of future videos to make… And if you want to explore personally let’s jump on a free consult. That would be fun to hash out together.🥰
Yeah, and then another just starts after that. I wake up having them. I used to have them constantly rolling throughout the day, day after day. Didn't matter if I fought it or ignored it. I was a skeleton. It only happens less now after years of therapy and because I stick my phone in front of my face constantly so I don't have to think. I don't want this glib positivity it's insulting.
Toxic positivity. Therapy didn't work for me until I was also on half a mg of clonazepam. Then I could practice what I learned in therapy until I was able to go off the med. Good luck getting a prescription, though, they over-prescribed it and people abused it so now someone who needs a small amount in conjunction with therapy is SOOL.
That was my experience exactly. The feeling is indescribable. Developed agoraphobia, afraid to go anywhere. I don't know how I got through a work day. I prayed to God everyday. Medication, therapy, books helped. I would not wish it on anyone.
How do i be optimistic and open again? I used to have such a sweet open resting face and now i just look miserable, exhausted, jaded
I deal with OCD intrusive thoughts and panic attacks that used to last so long and keep coming up through out the day, one of the most common thing I’m noticing in any issue and just life is the foundation of acceptance. Letting go of control and just surrendering to life, death, the fear that is always a possibility of being true. With OCD ones they usually feed into my fear of dying or loved ones dying and so learning that through another channel has helped me sm. He had a ton of funny things to say to the negative voice, my favorite being: “maybe, maybe not”. It’s like “omg am I dying rn?” -> “maybe, maybe not.” “I wonder if so and so is going to die/has died, what if they did/do before I talk with them/see them again?” “Maybe they will, maybe not.” It frames the situation of validating the real fear of the impending fate of death of all things, but brings a calm that is overwhelmingly positive in that IM SO GRATEFUL TO BE ALIVE AND CONNECT WITH PEOPLE AGAIN, so much so that my social anxiety is doing better too. But I do it to the self worry stuff too if “I bet so and so thinks this of me.” “Maybe, maybe not.” Because something Anthony Hopkins once said stuck with me too as a mantra, “it’s not for me to know what other people think of me”. Something like that, or it’s non of my business, basically we can’t know others thoughts and feelings truly so let go and just live and love and focus on the good as much as you can. Sure you can validate the bad/negative but I think reframing it is the most important aspect of validation of that thing, THATS the missing piece once you move past it and truly start living EVEN with negative emotions, sensations in the body, and events. You’ll slowly relearn how to regulate, give it time, it’s a process. Getting to the point where you’re at took time, it’s gonna take time to undo that.
so well put. I agree this works but only in the trained mind. that has been trained to observe the self. So after years of training to observe the self through meditation, now when I get them I can see myself and watch it pass but oh boy.. it is hard. I recently had a patietn have it, she was thrashing all over hte bed, sweating, BP was high, tachycardic and finally gave her IV ativan. It was hard to watch. They are real. One time when I had a panic attack, a kind airline crew lady held my hand ( this was after I annoucned that I was a physician on the plane lol ).. it was embarrasing but I am human too.
A lot of smiling about something that feels like paralyzing terror for no good reason. I wonder if people falling off a cliff feel this way, or a claustrophobic person wedged in a narrow cave passage, or a person with a phobia of snakes having a snake fall out of a tree and land on them, do they feel the same thing? But there is no cliff, no snake, no cave, and that makes it much worse. You're right that it passes in 15 - 20 minutes, kind of like a tornado over your house, but there's no tornado.
I'm gonna time my next attack! Right now when panic comes, I concentrate on full controlled breathing and look in my mind(thoughts) and my environment to find the trigger.
I think it is about 15 minutes. I think looking for the trigger or real present physical danger is allowing the panic to BE.
Maybe. But. I do like that you wonderful ladies are teaching acceptance of what is.
How do you stop yourself from managing the future threat, eg im in a panic because ive had abusive messgaes from x, now i have to predict and pre empt probable future sabotage from them ? HOW to stop that planning foe the next threat ? Thank you
Great question. Definitely worth putting on my list of future videos to make… And if you want to explore personally let’s jump on a free consult. That would be fun to hash out together.🥰
BY PRINCIPLE, ONE SHOULD NEVER HEED THE ADVICE FROM SOME "EXPERT"
Yeah, and then another just starts after that. I wake up having them. I used to have them constantly rolling throughout the day, day after day. Didn't matter if I fought it or ignored it. I was a skeleton. It only happens less now after years of therapy and because I stick my phone in front of my face constantly so I don't have to think. I don't want this glib positivity it's insulting.
Toxic positivity. Therapy didn't work for me until I was also on half a mg of clonazepam. Then I could practice what I learned in therapy until I was able to go off the med. Good luck getting a prescription, though, they over-prescribed it and people abused it so now someone who needs a small amount in conjunction with therapy is SOOL.
That was my experience exactly. The feeling is indescribable. Developed agoraphobia, afraid to go anywhere. I don't know how I got through a work day. I prayed to God everyday. Medication, therapy, books helped. I would not wish it on anyone.
@@rachelc9180I'm so sorry ❤ I live in bed and haven't left the house in over a month so I understand
@@Kinship1 💜 praying 🙏 for you.
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