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I Bet Your Forstner Bits Don’t Do This
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
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In this video I will be highlighting my favorite forstner bits, the FAMAG Borax 2.0 forstner bits. These are very different that traditional forstner bits that I have used in the past. If you are looking for a top quality forstner bit, these should be at the top of you list.
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These look really nice, but the 2" bit costs as much as my full set. My dad taught me to buy the best tools you can afford and treat them as such. My Porter-Cable regular and Rockler fractional sets may not be the best, but that work very well. One huge tip I was told was to slow down the speed, especially with the larger bits and harder the wood. Heat is the enemy of any drill bit, if you want them to last.
I have a Porter Cable set and they work a treat.
The Porter-Cable set I have weren't very sharp out of the box and wore down quickly. I wouldn't buy them again.
As a plumber, what I generally did was buy a low-middle tier disposable tool first. If that tool got heavy use or simply frequent use enough to justify upgrading, I would then upgrade to what was the best option FOR MY OWN SITUATION and go from there. I still had shitty tools on my truck that I almost never used, but I also had top of the line ridgid tools that cost me a lot of money to acquire. I use the same concept with woodworking; if you use one particular size of forstner bit daily, why not get 1 premium bit for that size, knowing that it will eliminate future problems and headaches as well as lost productivity? The rest of your bits can be the cheap ones. Who cares. Just like a sawzall; a cheap saw with a premium blade in the hands of a professional can outshine anything that comes from a lesser operator with premium tools. An unskilled craftsman blames the tools, a skilled craftsman learns when, where, and why to spend money.
After watching the video advert i was still skeptical. But when i finally downloaded the plans ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxZF0EMnrujZvqHhGkxiz559uIABJWR9TG i was very impressed. The whole plan was just as you said in the video. Thank you very much. I now have a large and valuable collection for my woodworks. This is great!
My wife is not a fan of the impact your reviews have on our budget. :)
My wife will agree with you because I’m a tool hog. I like good tools and no their not cheap but you get what you pay for.
I'm the wife that buys tools and wish my husband wanted to learn with me.
😂😂😂
I wonder how these would rate against the Fisch wave cutter bits (which is what I considered to be the BMWs of bits lol). These have some features the Fischer’s don’t, but the serrated profile on the Fischer bits help accomplish angled and semi-circles and other scenarios much better than traditional straight cut bits. As far as heat goes, one thing I learned is that the speed matters. For bits over 1” in hardwoods I use 250Rpm, which is much less than I ever imagine. And that makes big difference.
Great to see KJP - I have been buying hardwood there for over a dozen years!
as a weekend wood worker, it's too far out of my price range for such nice tool. But still nice to learn about them.
Thanks for sharing. Very innovative design, I’ll have to pick a set up
Great video, I have using these for just over a year and are worth the cost..
I actually got the small set for a gift. I can actually say that I like the Frued bits as much as the Borax. If you factor in the 2-3 times price difference, I personally can't justify the expenditure
Living in the Ottawa area, my go to shop for all things woodworking. 😁
Nice demonstration and very informative, thanks for sharing!!
This video definitely sold me on adding these in the future
The ones with lots of points is actually called a saw tooth bit mainly used for hardwood. The first one you showed is mainly used for softwood.
I don't think I've ever heard "Inexpensive" and "Rockler" in the same sentence 2:24
Great review! Just ordered mix of metric and imperial Bormax2 bits from KJP.
Cool, KJP is one of my local hardwood dealers
Famag bits are excellent, but expensive, especially if you buy their Bormax3 industrial line with the carbide teeth. Diablo Freud also has some carbide forstners which look promising. Fisch Wavecutters or Black Sharks are really good too.
Very cool. Yep the #1 killer of blade sharpness is heat! Just ordered an imperial 7pc because I prefer imperial 😊
This is the way!
I bought a 16 piece set of Freud Diablo forstner bits about 10 years ago. They have cut cleanly the entire time I've owned them. I still marvel at how well they cut, and we're talking through woods like white oak and hard maple. Prior to this I had a 16 piece CMT set and from day one I hated them.
Thanks much ! I really like FAMAG bits, & have been trying to find another source on the west side of the pond. Shipping from the tool shops in Germany was getting very expensive. thx for the 10% . . .
KJP shipped the bits in about 12 hours. Impressive...
I really wish I would have seen this before I bought all my Fisch bits. Which are way better than the Irwin bits I was using. Thanks Jason for a great video!
No worries!
Hmmm.. I am gonna modify my bit to see how it works adding notches on the cutting edges.
Very cool bit.
Have you tried the wood owl bits ? They look very impressive on how fast and clean exit. I’m going to check these out as well.
They also have a carbide forstner bit serie
You have a beautiful workshop and terrific tools. Do you use them to build furniture? I have not seen you actually build anything in about three years.
It seems the dust collection would improve with the Famag bits as well.
Should have mentioned the Australian Distributer is Titan , Perth WA.
I take a piece of wood 2x2x6 and drill into the end to make pencil holders. This cut is not cross grain. Will these cut good that way?
Are the Boremax 2.0 harder to sharpen given the uneven blade edge? Do they dull more quickly? Thanks!
Thank you, as always, for your tool reviews and hints. Question regarding the FAMAG forstner bits: how would you rank them against Fisch Wave Cutter forstner bits?
I haven’t tried the fisch yet
Love your demos of quality tools!
Aside: Looks like somebody is no longer AD?
Aside 2: link to where to buy the FAMAG bits?
I always get confused, is the set of drill bits supposed to cost more or less than the drill? The Festool drill. Undoubtedly Famag makes great bits, but equally undoubtable is the quality of the Fisch Wave Cutters. And they're $200 a set less... I've had a set of the Fisch bits since they cost about half of what they do today, and they are still sharp and very performant.
I bought a set of Freud forstner bits 25+ years ago and was thrilled to have the capability I could not have with other drill bits. The larger bits on the drill press certainly create a separate cleanup project. Really well done technical explanation Jason and I look forward to unloading my Freud set and upgrading to FAMAG. Keep up the great work and thank you for your service.
You won’t regret it, I switched from Freud - famag and they do much better it was actually shocking
it's a good comparison and presentation. two comments:
1) you dont mention carbide-edged forstner bits, which are substantially cheaper per use than hss. initial outlay is 2-2.5x more than hss, but they last 8-10 times longer, making them the more economical option for anyone who is putting these bits to a lot of use. the only economic justification for hss bits is you want to bore just a few holes and then probably never use it again
2) pure silicone lube is an excellent 'cutting oil' when boring holes in wood or wood fiber products with forstner bits or hole saws. it wont be suitable if you're going to use polyurethane or certain other finishes, but it is non-staining and wont interfere with oil and/or wax finishes. if you try it you'll find even the largest bits remain cool enough to handle with bare hands immediately after boring
I cant find them! You referenced brad point bits? I cant recall your recommendation? Please! They were not in the Forstner bit review. I have Owl, I have Black Shark I need a nice set of brad points…. Thanks!
ya the boremax 2 are great bits but there is more :D here in germany we also have boremax 3 they have carbide tips vor the main cutting edge. those are absolute beasts with a superior lifetime :D just one bad thing ..... the price is meh close to 2x
Round shanks work fine, if yours slips, get a better chuck.
Are these bits sharpen able?
You have me sold on the famag forstner bit set. But cannot find the 16 pc set you have ? Only the 6 pc set on Amazon. ? Any suggestions ?
I would love to see a demo of these bits used at a 45 degree angle or a deep half hole. Otherwise when would you use a forstner bit for fine woodworking? Except for mounting hardware or mortising, which the hole doesn't have to be pretty. With that said, I think for day to day wood boring, regular forstner bits from Freud or CMT are just fine... as long as they are treated properly and not abused. Let the bit do it's job and don't try to force into to working faster and allow the chips to exit. Have you ever tried a forstner bit on Ipe? I did and went through 4ea 3/4" bits drilling about 60 holes for the bolts and lags used on my Ipe deck railings. Ipe will make these bits its bitch. I'll be happy to send you a 4x4 hunk of Ipe just for fun if you'd like.
Keeping bits sharp with diamond hones will deliver superior results with any Forstner Bits.
Your FAMAGs are nice but the cheapest ones can be sharpened to deliver outstanding results too !
Production Shops with Cutter Grind Departments might have Solid Carbide Bits that are far better than these high speed steel cutters but at a cost ( x5 )
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Fast shipping too! Got them today, superb! 👌🏼
Excellent video. Will definitely add them to my Christmas list. Trying to go metric (it's so much easier) but have to balance with the knowledge that some things will always require imperial. Trying not to double spend. Anyway, thanks for an informative video!
I'm really interested in these. I've been using the Fisch Wavecutter and they're solid, but there are some neat features with these. One way or another I need to get decent metric bits for things like hinges, so I'm going to give these a spin (and get you a tip for using the code.)
If anyone at KJP is listening, I found the KJP web page setup for sets a little hard to follow. When you click on a set you don't know what the options are. You have to find the "set options" heading above the description to see the info. Before I found this I was digging through European websites to find the matching sets before I realized that I could go above to find the info. I'm a professional computer guy so if I missed it I'm probably not alone. (Although I can be a little oblivious at times.) I did appreciate the detailed listing of the manufacturer's available individual bits.
Minor easily fixable video title thing: There's no "e" in Bormax. (Also you have a typo where it says Borax in the description, which is kind of funny. I suppose if the holes are clean).
Oh, and I notice that there's a FAMAG Forstner depth stop collar. I'm wondering if this would be useful. I use the similar Amana non-marring countersink all the time for screws. But on the other hand, with Forstner bits I'm more likely to be using them on the press or in a drill guide than freehand and in both cases I have ways to control the depth. I'm just curious if you've tried this.
Sorry to hear you had that experience. We have just adjusted the product page to include the information in a second place to hopefully prevent anyone else from having this headache.
@@kjpselecthardwoodsonline I think it's an improvement, although it might be better below the parts list if it can be done cleanly. I assume the eCommerce platform doesn't allow you to change the description based on the option selected...if that was possible I think it would give the best option.
...And it's not like I didn't order the bits I needed anyway.
@@kjpselecthardwoodsonline Also, your website still was better than the other North American websites I ran into while searching around.
@@kyleolson8977 thanks for the order!
I have some of these……… 👍
Can these be resharpened ??
You could cut mdf with a butter knife.
I’m currently joining 3 hardwood tops and using mason mitre clamps, & my cheap Chinese forstner bit gets red hot, doesn’t want to cut, I have to wiggle the battery drill side to side and back to front to make it cut & it wanders.
I’ve got a dozen to drill and it was blunt after the first 3 or 4 holes. 🙄👎
I've not used Famag, my choice at the moment are Fisch Wave Cutter for my Forster bits. Absolutely brilliant cutters. I will try Famag for my next purchase though.
Fisch I have heard great things about as well
Just curious if the set from Inifinity tools is the same as the ones you're using. Only reason I ask is because Infinity sells the 16 piece set at a much lower price than some other companies.
Btw great seeing you at Festool recharged at Cerritos college today.
I’m not sure, I would have to take a look. Great talking with you as well!!
I’m going to need to find a retirement job, just to afford all the great tools you keep showing us :-/ These are on the wish list now…
🤣
The BMW/Audi of forstner bits? So what does that make Fisch then? Also rans? Famag and Fisch share the same price point for top grade tool steel well machined bits…the only practical user difference is Famag have pointy teeth and Fisch use a continuous wavey rim…oh and Fisch have a non-slip shaped shank too. Ignoring Famag’s equal and major competitor in a review, like Fisch don’t exist, is shallow don’t you think? You might also consider how easy, or not, it is to re-sharpen the bits once dulled…I know Fisch can be honed…
I don't buy a set, only what I currently need and then very good ones. Almost only the zobo in chrome steel. expensive but super sharp and durable. you can have all diameters ground, in tenths of a millimeter.
I can only find metric bits on Amazon. NOTHING in imperial sizes.
I really like the clean looking holes those bits make. I'm going to look at getting a set of those for sure
Great review, thanks! I wish you'd elaborate more on the Zobo forstner bits (the Festool branded ones). If Famag is the Mercedes of the forstner bits world, then Zobo is a Rolls-Royce. FYI, that Festool set is a steal. Typically a single (SINGLE!) Zobo bit costs over $100. That's smaller cheaper ones. Big bits can easily go for over $1000.
yes would love to see a Famag vs Zobo comparison
The taxi of Forstner bits?
You’re making me regret the purchase of my Fisch set.😢
Good video - great delivery and only relevant information. Unfortunately, these guys are way beyond my budget.
Glad it was helpful!
I bought one, got ahead of myself and forgot to save the ten percent damnit! 🤪
Send us an email and we can adjust for you :-)
@@kjpselecthardwoodsonline That's what I call responsive! Thank you!
@@kjpselecthardwoodsonline Karen at KJP got me a prompt refund of the promotional 10 percent just because she noticed a UA-cam comment!? This is Legendary Customer Service guys! They'll have as much of my business as I can manage! Everyone needs This Karen working for them! Cheers.
I love Famag tools, great quality and endurance.
Are you in Ottawa?
KJP is in Ottawa :-)
Are they better than the Harbor Freight bits?
Hi Jason! Can these be resharpened? I'm definitely thinking of picking up an imperial set and KJP (especially with the code, thank you by the way) has some of the best prices for these bits.
Hey Aaron, I’m not 100% certain. My assumption would be yes.
Did famag give you those for free? It's not clear if you were sponsored or not
I have never spoken to FAMAG
I know you are sponsored by this company but without doubt the best Fostner bits on the planet are the Fisch wave bits that are extraordinary. In fact, they are the premier bit in the industry. Come to my shop and I will prove it to you!
I’m not sure why you think I am sponsored by FAMAG. I have never spoken with them.
@@bentswoodworking my apologies. My stupidity assuming you were. It just seems to me when I watch videos on UA-cam about a particular tool the person doing the review was sponsored or given the tool for free in exchange for a review. Again, sorry about that, sir.
Have you ever considered that you might be using the bits at too high a speed? I saw a video recently that spoke to this. Too many people are running their Forster bits too fast. The blueing on your older bits seems to indicate you’re doing the same.
In fact, nearly all drill bits are used at too high a speed.
Some bits are designed as high speed bits and are made of different material and must use lubrication with them.
When it comes to drilling wood you can't lubricate so the best thing is to reduce the speed.
In addition, the downward pressure is at times to much.
I could use the same low quality bits and get perfect results by controlling speed and pressure!
And if using the same bit for too long a time, you must let it rest(cool) since the friction of the bit and the material cause heat build up in all bits!
Are you mostly doing tool reviews now? Would love to see what you are working on these days.
He's got a whole build series coming soon
There's a reason drill bits that go in a traditional chuck has a round shank instead of a hexagonal one. Your liking a forstner bit because it doesn't use a traditional round shank is irrelevant. Do you think engineers that designed drill chucks and drill bits just got it wrong?
Saying something is a "Mercedes Benz" of something means something different to me. Mercedes have typically poor reliability records. You couldn't pay me to own one. Now Toyota or Honda...
Haha, I always hear that but both of my Mercedes’ have been very reliable.
With that intro, this bits are unreliable and expensive 😂
You said cheap and Rockler in the same sentence. Those don't go together.
I bought the Freud wave bits. They are awesome!
CMT forstner bits suck
Damn......... There goes my secret Christmas fund...........................