Are Vinyl Records Better Than Compact Discs?
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- I'm so tired of hearing the arguments about Vinyl verses Compact Discs. Today we'll take a hard look at both formats, including digital files, and talk about the actual numbers. I love Vinyl but this is getting plain silly.
00:00 Opener
00:43 History
05:14 Is Vinyl Superior?
05:43 The Numbers
09:49 Final Thoughts
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Vinyl is the plural of vinyl, not vinyls.
If we're going down that route, CDs is a much better choice than CD's in the title but either way, I enjoyed the video.
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I am 67 collecting records since 65 and I call them vinyls cause my 22 yo son does do what makes you happy
Even when referring to objects made of vinyl?
Troll is the singular for troll
I had to stop watching about half way through. I am not taking any position whether CD's or vinyl records do sound better (and I would say it really depends), and theoretically, yes, CD's have 96 dB dynamic range, and vinyl, in reality, I don't think it would ever really reach (technically speaking) 70 dB, more like 50 to perhaps 60 dB or so would be more realistic.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of CD's that are being released, especially in the last 25 to 30 years, are suffering from sometimes severe dynamic range compression and usually have less than 10 dB effective dynamic range, with some (quite a few, actually) really bad examples going down to as little as 6 dB, 5 dB or even 4 dB dynamic range (like RHCP's "Californication" or Metallica's "Death Magnetic").
These "brickwalled" CD's just sound awful on a proper stereo system. And it is not possible to brickwall a vinyl record in the same way as a CD, even if the source (music) that gets fed to the cutting head is severely compressed (dynamically), the record will not end up totally brickwalled.
And quite often, a different mastering approach (more dynamic) is used for the vinyl production, and that is typically the case when the vinyl record often does sound better than the CD (on a proper system).
On the other hand, a really well mastered and produced CD might sound nicer (better) to some people compared to the vinyl record.
And the "wear of the grooves", while theoretically correct due to the physical playback, it is really a non-issue if you have a proper setup in your system. And the wear from the handling, yes, that can be really an issue if people are not careful, but for people who treat their records with a lot of care, it is not an issue either.
Most important factor for both mediums will be the care that goes into the recording, mastering, production and playback. And it seems like more things can go wrong with vinyl, but the one thing that - unfortunately - goes wrong most of the time is the mastering of the CD's (dynamically compressed/limited). But some people seem to like that, it seems...
Totally agree about the dynamic range. Over the years CD,s have been progressively mastered to be louder, not more dynamic. Record labels realized that people confuse volume with dynamics. It’s similar to how people confuse the size of the meal (likes buffet) with the quality of the food being served.
when you squash the dynamic range yes it is useless to the beauty of the format. I tried to talk 'down' a friend last year when he mastered his band's first album to CD - I had the original mix downs on my laptop and they sounded great - then he sent me the CD version and it was brickwalled - I asked him if they had pressed up all the CD's and he said he didn't but he preferred the 'CD' version - (brickwalled) I tried to get through to him in so many ways as it was still not too late but the band went ahead and pressed up this 'hot mix' which sounds like crap - they thought it sounded great in one of their cars - which it may have but it destroyed the dynamics and subtlety of some of the parts of the music.. it's modern pop rock kinda like Weezer but had some quiet moments as well - So in turn I made a tape version from the original files for when I listen to their album LOL - They did such a good job making the album but to destroy it at the end is boggling.
Without a nice amp & speakers, the best equipment will never show it's full potential.
Since your comment is hovering in the 'super subjective' zone.. now define the top 3 of each to define your comment to make it practical and not just rhetoric. Top 3 speakers.. top 3 amps , top 3 turntables, top 3 cartridges / stylus and top 3 headphones. Amps please add at least one valve stage.
I ran a Kenwood KR-40/70 with Klipsch speakers for many years. It sounded great to my ears. A Crown Amp driving Mission speakers with a 2-12 subwoofer made our house party central in the 80s. Everyone seemed to like the sound. After the Kenwood passed on, I ran a turntable with an external (tube) preamp into powered Klipsch speakers with a small powered sub. It was very good because it was all the same priceline and matched well. When I retired, I sold off many things to downsize my final audio purchase while enjoying the powered speakers and TT. After a lot of research, I purchased a McIntosh MA-252 and XR50 speakers along with an REL T-5X subwoofer. I carried over the TT and noticed the stereo separation was very noticeable and better. Of course, you can't compare the 2 as it is unfair. But, the TT sounds great, and I swapped the stylus from a 10 to a 30 (Ortofon), and it got even better. There are so many great pieces of gear to choose from. I enjoyed your video.
The TT was a Sony, which I can not remember the model. The speakers were 770s that were damaged demos. I still have my Sennheiser headphones.
@@jaycoleman8062 If you're going the McIntosh route (which you did) .. it's pretty much a done deal of 'satisfaction'.. overall but the price is out of reach for most - to be fair I have never demo'd that hybrid unit.. I' m sure it's fine.. You went to the end of the spectrum high end (McIntosh) and nothing wrong with that ! - I use a crown IC150a as my pre-amp stage and that's the best link I have experienced to the amplifier stage - due to the easy switching of channels and the mono blend knob and sweet discreet circuits with very graceful tone controls. thanks for your reply
Great man, you nailed the essence of the enjoyment of vinyl and the sound quality debate
I collect both vinyl records and CDs. I have for several years. I presently have around 1600 CDs and around 1100 vinyl records. I also collect reel to reel tapes, but I don't have many. My system consist of a Yamaha Aventage RX-A2A 7.2 A/V receiver with a Klipsch 7.1 speaker system. I just recently purchased a new pair of Klipsch R-800F floorstanders. I have a Music Hall turntable, a Pioneer RT-1020L reel to reel tape deck and two Tascam CD player/recorders! I believe that vinyl does have a warmer sound. But then again how a vinyl record sounds and how a CD sounds all depends on the type of system that an individual has and with vinyl it also depends on the type of phono cartridge as well. And one has to consider the record cleaning process also! There are a lot of variables when it comes to vinyl. I also clean my CDs with a microfiber cloth before I play them in one of my Tascam player/recorders. Thanks for the video! I enjoyed it!
Great system dude
@@doodahdavesrecords4319 Thank you!
CD and microfibre cloth, yes!
Vinyl sells more, but half of those vinyl buyers don't own a turntable, so just collectors. I have recently decided to stick with digital formats including CD, SACD and DSD downloads. DSD sounds as good or better than vinyl (IMO) without any of the drawbacks of noisy, scratched or flawed pressings (yes, even those from Acoustic Sounds and MoFi at $60 a pop). SACD is close. I'll keep my turntable and albums but will rarely buy vinyl at this point.
All depends on vinyl record master vs cd master. If rigs are of high quality usually the better mastered format will sound better. That said it costs a lot less to put together a decent digital system.
this is something that many hobbyists overlook. Not all records & CDs are pressed the same, or mastered in multi million $ studios
Couldn’t agree more👍
even japanese pressing are very different. they reduce always the bass. which is due to consumer having a different building. unless you can adjust the receiver with the bass
interesting...
It’s much more than that. Vinyl has too many flaws. Pressing QC issues because plants can’t keep up with demand, inner groove distortion, sibilance, no fill, engineers who don’t know what they are doing mastering for vinyl with no experience, the experienced ones are too old and have lost their hearing, converting digital recordings to analog, forced mono bass, lower dynamic range, tracking errors, cheap phono stages that don’t properly correct for RIAA curve, poor quality or recycled vinyl, decimated supply chain issues because there’s only one lacquer supplier now… the list goes on and on.
I’ve just given up on vinyl. All analog sources are such a cool idea, but vinyl isn’t it. It would be awesome if there was a new all analog format that fixed all the issues, but I doubt that will ever happen.
I haven’t bought vinyl since ‘82 wen I heard cd’s & have never looked back !!!!! Cd’s by far is the best sound quality period of any format no need 2 worry of any skips right after u purchase the record & no more snap crackle & pop……
I heard CD in the mid 80s; they sounded pretty crap. They sound marginally better now, but are still pretty poor
@@johnholmes912 well I have 2 respectfully disagree on every aspect of your comment….never looked back since ‘82 wen it comes 2 cd’s so u can imagine wat my collection looks like since ‘82 til now but in the end it just comes down 2 one’s personal preference & taste…
Depends on so many factors. Some yes some no.
a friend of mine recorded an LP on DAT and recorded a CD on a pro cd recorder, you can hear the difference compared to the purchased CD
Hi , great video, I have rega p3, with neo psu, eylis2 cartridge, I have Rotel a11/cd11 tribune , I a-b between a new Mike oldfield tubular Bells record and the cd, and found the audio very similar between the two. Regards mark
I am seriously thinking of getting a Rega 3
Rega 3 is great.
That's an entertaining video, Marc. It's more fun to be open to both formats. I wouldn't make too much of a fuss about dynamic range. For most rock music, about 10db is the most one will hear, which means the loudest sounds are close to 2X the level of the softest. Both formats exceed that potential. I don't find that LPs (aka vinyl) sound warmer than a CD, SACD or BluRay, but that's quite dependent on the DAC you are using and the phono cartridge too. I usually use the Chord Mojo, which has a sound leaning towards "warm."
Like I said… I buy both formats… dynamic range isn’t that big of a deal… but I wanted to make a point using actual data for those who say vinyl is the only “good sounding” format or the “best” format
It is not a vinyl - it is a record or lp. Never called it that years ago and still should not today.
It is many factors an original master on vinyl on a $100k system with a great cartridge and speakers will sound like your in the studio digital is alway compressed but it can be cleaner in sound but the warmth ain’t there apples to oranges way I look at it if you don’t have the funds go digital
The answer: No. This is coming from someone who only listens to vinyl on the stereo system at home. It's objectively worse from a sound quality standpoint, and subjectively you have to do so much more fiddly crap to get it up to par with digital sources. That being said, I love it and wouldn't trade my vinyl collection for the world. I love it because of its inherent flaws and the entire ritual of researching pressings, cleaning new records, sitting down to spin an entire album... But I'm not one of these cooks who claim to hear a digital source or an all-analog pressing sounds better. :D
I go back and forth Marc I need to upgrade my ION turntable but I think the vinyl sounds warmer fuller more bounce thanks for video
Im a vinyl nut, partially because of the artwork and extra goodies. CDs just seem like McDonalds, quick cheap and gets the job done, but zero finesse. Im currently rebuying all those 90s albums i was forced to buy on cd( because they werent available on vinyl at the time), on vinyl format, and its like discovering completely new albums. I can sit down and look at all the packaging, while playing the entire thing . I dont have to squint to read the liner notes. It was too easy to hit that skipbutton on your cd player, because you had nothing to look at while playing a new cd. I'm listening to complete tracks, that previously i only knew the first 10 seconds of lol, cause i hit the skip button. Plus, i played cds in the car, where you REALLY cant listen in depth. Now, i buy the vinyl, spend the time listening and looking at liner notes, while recording it digitally, so i can have it on my phone / bluetooth too. For me , i make my own cds ( or wav files in the cloud), its not an EITHER OR, for me its BOTH. I got back into vinyl early, almost as soon as it was gone. 1998, i hooked my turntable to my computer, made my own cds from vinyl and have been doing it ever since, except now, its in the cloud. Back in 98, vinyl was all but obsolete, but it slowly started to filter back in, and im ecstatic
love the hot takes 😆
I've been a Fan of Vinyl most of my life but what was a revelation moment for me was (and I recommend Audiophiles to do this!) I bought a 1990's CD Single 'Right Beside You' by Sophie B Hawkins there's a House Mix on it. I played it via my Panasonic UB9000 4K Player and it was the 1st time I'd heard CD sound great, really great👍🏻 SACD is also pretty good if you can get hold of a decent Player. I have an old Sony DVD also which is a great DVD Player, you've just gotta do a bit of research and dig out somethin' that sounds great for you👍🏻
after a few years when Vinyl came back 2014 a couple years after that Vinyl outsold cd's?
so which is better cash or credit cards? depends if your going to a fast food restaurant, grocery store , hair salon then cash.
what if your going shopping at the Mall to a spa, renting a car staying in a hotel then a credit card.
same with music in the winter your home after work maybe the Vinyl is better but what about now the summer you can put a cd on a waklman
theres no right answer which is better vinyl or cd.
There are thousands of videos on UA-cam discussing this. The idea that you think you figured out this question is insane.
Even though I have always been a CD-guy, I can accept the fact that vinyl sounds better, warmer and more engaging than CD-s, I have no problem with that. It does not make my listening to CD-s less enjoyable...
For me I'm not an audiophile in the slightest so sound quality I'm not really bothered.
It's more storing, handling and price that's the deal breaker for me... I only get my favourite favourite albums on vinyl and get duplicates + everything else on CD, sometimes cassette.
Because vinyl just takes up SO! Much room! You can fit like 100 CD's in the space 30 vinyl records take up.
Plus vinyl if you don't get special shelves can be a pain in the ass to store, falling over on themselves at a whim, even if you have book ends and stuff holding them up so you constantly need to make sure they're all leaning in a way to balance eachother out without too much pressure at either end.
Vinyl in general is SO much more expensive, like 2-5 times the price per album.
Handling them can be such a pain, fiddling to get them in and out their sleeves without damaging the sleeves or the disc.. or hell trying not to drop the sleeves or disc since they're such awkward shapes in the hand.
Trying hard not to catch them on anything to avoid such easy damage to the disc.
Having to constantly be wiping the dust and hairs off them before you can spin a side, and static... uuuggghhh static is such a pain in the ass.
But... vinyl records just look really nice in your hand, they have more art work, they feel special and they're very fascinating to spin. And although they're such a pain in so many ways, it's these good points that keeps me buying my favourites on them.
But I rebuy every single album I have on vinyl on CD too because I often just cannot be bothered to deal with the annoyances of vinyl. While a CD, even a cassette, I can just stick in and play no problem.
CD is better for music listening.
Vinyl is better for DJing.
I love both formats. Digital files do have a higher range and are certainly louder but CDs if not remastered properly can sound shrill with the high or low ends over the top. Analog is warmer when the source is actually AAA or analog. CDs may have a slight edge, but I hope vinyl and CDs are here and available over decades to come.
*Nope!!!* But one thing I personally know fo’ sho’ is that cassettes will forever reign supreme to these two ears on either side of my dome.
Vinyl started out-selling CDs in 2020. Vinyl and CDs together out-sell downloads. Streaming is the only thing that makes more money in music. I don't want to rent my music.
Listening to LPs is far more enjoyable than any other form. I have vinyl going back to The Buddy Holly Story mono record my mother left me. Sounds great! LPs I purchased in the 70s still sound awesome, and the quality was better than LPs I purchased a few years ago. Some pressing plants are getting better.
I've owned quality turntables since '74. I will purchase LPs whenever possible. That said, I also own a lot of CDs as well. Vinyl is my preference.
I have a fantastic local record store, where I find nearly everything I could want.
paid streaming subscriptions suck!!
LPs outsold CDS in 2023 which was the first time since the 80’s. Also streaming generates very little money for the artist so profit wise selling a physical copy makes more money for them vs several streams of that same album.
@@jodsterjamster8678 RIAAs 2020 report shows vinyl out-selling CDs. That has continued every year since.
@@jodsterjamster8678 2020 RIAA report states Vinyl Records out-sold CDs that year and every year since.
@jodsterjamster8678 The 2020 report from the Recording Industry Association of America stated that vinyl records out-sold CDs that year and have continued to do so every year since.
Can't wait to find out if apples are better than oranges.
Hi great, always had great review , if yiu can go for the 50yrs anniversary edition extremely great deal abd get better cartridge abs neo psu also included. Regards mark
Vinyl is like a valve amplifier. There is lots of added distortion that people find pleasing. Virtually every record you can buy has digital stages of its production.
nope, I have 3000+ albums from the 60s / 70s all analogue and all bought for a third of the price of CD
Even if you are really rough with your CDs and let them get a bit scratched: most CD players can work around that the way they are designed. If not, you can polish the bottom of a CD and restore it. Can't do anything like that to a vinyl record if you scratch it. And best you can take out a gouge that is so big that it's causing the record to skip.
The things I like about vinyl are that I can find it and stumbled across a lot of different recordings that I would have not found any other way.
Sometimes that has opened me up to a whole rabbit hole of different bands and artists that were never presented to me through streaming services on the radio
I also enjoy Mechanics of a record player.
Lately I even acquired some at track players and I have always had tape decks. It's not that I think that they sound any better but I can play just about any recording I come across. I find things that I may have never seen or thought about buying in another format in another format.
You can set up a great system based on used equipment.
If you are lucky enough to have somebody with a little experience, they can help you find a high-quality used turntable.
I have receivers in several rooms in my house. I got all of them from the thrift stores like a Goodwill. Occasionally they don't work but they usually usually do and I don't pay more than about $25 for them. That's the same place I found all of my decks.. if you have the time to look often, you can't even find things worth much more money then you pay and sell some items to pay for your hobby if you are up for it. I have rescued three turntables from the Goodwill bins and all of them are being used in my house right now. Two out of three of them even had all of their parts. One of them needed a headshell/cartridge, stylus. It's amazing what you can find if you learn what to look for or have somebody to go with you or look for you.
I am willing to bet any of my used turntables sound as good as a new $400 turntable. That's especially true if I put a little nicer cartridge and stylus on them. You can get decent sounding speakers there as well. You can even get lucky now and then and get $2000 speakers at Goodwill for $40.
So my target store, now sells both the vinyl & cd the of the latest artist. That's saying alot.
CD's are definitely more practical and you can pretty much play them in anything CD stereo systems, DVD and Blu-Ray players, listen to them in the car. They won't break the bank to get a decent sound.
It really doesn't matter which format you choose, both sound better and cleaner than digital downloads
Plus you get loads of information you normally wouldn't get with streaming or a diwnload
Model T's were beautiful too in their day.
Redbook CDs are lossless-zero compression whatsoever. There is more information in a CD than an LP. The CD covers 15-20 kHz which most phono cartridges cannot, and CD is 16 bit vs a pristine LP and phono playback chain around 11-12 bits of dynamic range.
what's this red book so many ppl have been talking about lately? Pardon my ignorance, I live out of USA
@@ShazeemKhanStandard cd format. I’ve taken the text below from an audio website:
‘A Redbook CD is the music industry standard for digital audio CDs. RedBook is named after a series of books called the “Rainbow Books” which contain technical specifications for all CD and CD-ROM formats.
The general specs are as follows:
1) Max playing time is 79.8 minutes
2) max number of tracks is 99
3) Max number of index points is 99 with no max time limit
4) ISRC is included on the CD
5) Min duration of a track is 4 seconds
6) DAE 2-16 bit linear PCM at 44.1kh sample rate
It is recommended, but not necessary to have your CD encoded to the “RedBook” standard. Unless instructed we encode all of our CDs to the RedBook CD standard.’
@@gavinhardy75 ah nice, very nice. I sincerely appreciate the effort & detailed answer kind sir. I had a feeling it was sort of standard but wasn't certain
That isn't the type of compression people are talking about.
I respect your opinion, but in some ways I disagree. There are some vinyl records that sound just as good as a CD if not better. What I am talking about is Records entitled Phase 4 Stereo. They sound better then any Vinyl record out today, and they sound just as good as a CD. That is if you have a Stereo that is capable of reproducing the full range of Records and CD's. It depends on so many factors. How is was mastered. I have CD's in my collection that just sound okay, Others sound fantastic. It depends on how it was recorded. It is mush easier to get listenier fatigue when listening to CD's. Records sound more natural, and real, and much warmer. And you can't read the liner notes on a CD when the type is so small and the record there is much more to look at, and you can watch it spin. The CD is great, but you can't watch it spin. THe Record Comback is because in most people's minds they enjoy the vinyl experience more then the CD experience. And I am not knocking CD's They are a great format but not half as fun as a record album. I still have records that belonged to my parents that they bought in the 50's and they still sound as great as they did when I was a boy growing up in the 60's
The reality is that both formats are nowadays just merch as opposed to the main format for listening to the content. Unless you’re lucky to listen to artists who care about audiophile grade vinyl (Taylor Swift doesn’t care), what you’re paying is for the artwork in the packaging and in some cases in the disc itself.
Same goes to CDs. No longer being the main format, we don’t know how much care the factory is taking to assure the disc won’t develop rot overtime.
And please try not to care that much about the numbers (dynamic range etc) and let your ears decide. I do have vinyl that outperforms the lossless digital version. Let’s try to avoid the snobbery here 😂
If you don't like the bass you're hearing on records I would blame your phono stage.
I certainly don't have a really really fancy system... modest.. $400 turntable... $300 amp with polk audio speakers.. nicer than most houses these days... but not audiophile level..
@@MarcLewis2023 I think CD's are fine for rock music but the recordings rated as "Stellar", (Dire Straits, Supertramp, Pink Floyd, Steely Dan etc), the records sound better IMO. Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.
@@MarcLewis2023 That TEAC TT is a nice unit esp for $400. If you run separate amp/s, you'd get better bass & more range. Impressive collection u got BTW
Vinyl is the perfect example of the difference between theory and practice. In theory, vinyl is worse than CD in every aspect... in practice, vinyl trounces the CD and any other digital media. It just sounds better.
Nope.
@@CliffCollipriest2013 yeap
topic covered 6 million times by 2023 on youtube.
Collecting vinyl is a form of masochistic nostalgia for those who grew up with vinyl and for those who didn't, it's just a trend that trend-obsessed people can't rationally explain to themselves. Some traditions should be kept in life, but some should be unloaded immediately after something better appears. There are few things in my life that make me as angry as the insane manipulation of digital music files by record companies in order to attract listeners. Of course, I'm talking about the loudness war. With this process, the vast majority of the advantages that the digital music file had over the analog music carrier were destroyed and the CD was compromised. Man creates, man destroys... A CD can sound absolutely like vinyl if it is mastered in the same way, and it can sound much better if the full dynamic range available is used. It can sound like garbage if compressed. There should be a law with mandatory jail time for idiots who abuse digital mastering and produce such crap. But today there are remastered editions of music coming out on CD that respect the dynamic range and correct the old, crappy editions. As for me, I'm a 58 year old man who grew up in the vinyl era and would rather have acute hemorrhoid attacks every 5 days than go back to back to those objects of torture and frustration. Nowadays I buy cds obsessively in bulk on eBay and wherever I can find them because I want to own music. If I like something I'm streaming, I buy a CD.
In my view it's common sense. Vinyl is twice, sometimes thrice, as expensive. There's the warping, surface noise, scratches, and pressings. I hardly ever have to take a CD back. Vinyl has great sound yes. But all the disadvantages listed make CD the only option. £40 for an album! I know it's probably a double. But that's still £20 a record! Outrageous!
Strictly from a technical and practical standpoint, it's obvious than CDs and digital files are way better than vinyl records. The thing is, the inherent imperfections of vinyl and analog in general are what make the listening experience from a vinyl record as the source much more pleasant and rewarding. Those limitations are precisely what prevent the "loudness war" from existing on vinyl, and loudness war is precisely what ruined the digital listening experience. It's not the format's fault. The culprit are the people in charge.
This horse was beaten to death ad infinitum years ago.😉
It will be a matter of taste. Quality and musicality rarely correspond to the spec sheet. Most digital equipment sounds nasty to my ears, unless you have a very good system, if I listen to MP3s I can hear all sorts of distortion. Having said that, I have spent 36 years in professional audio electronics mostly in Digital, but also a little vinyl and tape. My CD player is a 14 bit non oversampling Philips from 1985 which I modified; IMHO no other media gets close! But that's only my humble opinion - You do you and I'll do me!
Was doubting but lost all hope when you hyped mp3s. Who got to you? Drinking the 🧃
Maybe if you have high end equipment and a warp free pressing, from a very good analog master. I don't see the point of digital files mastered to vinyl. Though I do know people who swear by digital recordings on vinyl.
“Better” is totally subjective. Generally speaking, CDs are higher fidelity, no doubt. Which format sounds “better” at any given time is entirely up to the listener. More often than not, I prefer the sonic characteristics of vinyl or cassette over CD.
Totally agree with you cd's are much better
CD’s sound better presuming you have good equipment. But as an overall experience Vinyl just hits different.
and i think thats what it really comes down to not that vinyl sounds better but because its unique sound and depending who it is they may prefer and think it sounds better than example cd so yee like you said hits different!
To me The Vinyl have a song Very good
I do electronics and CD is better in sound and also it’s not compress not like mp3, etc. sorry cd is the best in the digital age.
Shallow dynamic range? I’ll put my Rage Against the Machine first US press against any digital sauce.
So, I spun records all day uesterday from a new amp i got Friday. Then towards the end i wanted to check out the DAC, since it is a bad ass one. Streamed Tidal, Qobuz, and Amazon HD. Sorry records sound better. Especially if mixed well. Plus i grow up listening to Cds. I will take a tik or pop then a Cd skip, Cd skip, cd skip. Take of your stuff and a Decent analog rig just sounds better to as a musician.
If mastered properly, CD's are better.
So 90% of the time vinyl wins.
В том, что сейчас CD звучат хуже, виноваты только звукорежиссеры
This is spot on. I'm a CD enthusiast myself but the masters are compressed for loudness in a way that isn't possible on vinyl. Example: the new rolling stones. Dynamic range on vinyl, compressed to shit on CD.
@@AndroMediaLand usually it is not the sound engineer, it is the producer. The producer has the final word on compression.
I agree that much depends on the mastering. I’ve seen instances where the vinyl version of an album has greater dynamic range. I don’t understand why so much compression is used for CD as it really isn’t necessary and can spoil the enjoyment of the music.
Let's be honest. RSD releases are no match to first pressing when it comes to sound quality. It seems like the pressing factory these days just uses cheap materials to get these so called hype vinyl into store shelves.
The CD format itself does NOT have a “brighter sound” than vinyl. Only bad mastering can do that. Today people play vinyl on $8k tables and CDs on $50 dvd players and wonder why the difference in sound quality. 🤔
Cd's might be a cleaner sounding format, but if you have a computer and can copy records at 24 or 32 bit, you can pull a sound quality from the records that is actually better than the cd because cd's are digital. And digital is as high as you can go. Whatever the quality is on the cd is all there is on there, and you can not pull any more quality from it. But with analog records, more quality can be pulled from it because it's analog. It all depends on the bitrate you're copying the record at.
Why talk about “MP3 file formats”? Flac is far superior as it’s lossless. You don’t mention the price difference and the ability to rip perfect FLAC copies from a CD. However, Many CDs are brick walled in terms of sound.
I didn’t mean for this particular video to get into the weeds of digital file formats… simply mentioned that those formats also sound great
Nothing like 75 year old technology… of course cds are light years better. Gotta love the hiss and pop of vinyl. It was like going from vhs to 4K.
Of course CD's are better. No question.
CDs are also cheaper, making it more available for people. And the good CD players are a lot cheaper than a good turn table. I think that CDs are better because it is so much more available to buy compared to vinyl.
i switched to cd in 1993... i've always believed cds sound better than my vinyl collection.
You’re wrong
There really is no better or worse. Theyre both different formats that offer different physical and audio experiences. They both have their strengths and weaknesses that make them unique and sound interesting. Thats just what i think though
No
And if you think CD sounds better, you should get SACD. It is 4 times better than CD.
A bit hard to come by nowadays.
how many SACDs could you buy compared to regular CDs?
hybrid cd sound very good. buy a good cd player u hear ac diffrence
How many people can hear the difference from their modest equipment? 🤔
My final thoughts: Vinyl is the superior format for delusional w*nkers. But I will say this, the marketing is impressive. Didn't think that a tacky souvenir from a bygone era would become this lucrative spank-bank for idiots, yet here we are.
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even with the vinyl resurgence over the last few years vinyl is still not given the quality equipment it needs to show its true quality, you need a turntable costing at least £1500 to get a reasonably good sound to compete with modern CD players, bearing this in mind vinyl recordings with good mastering will always beat CDs hands down.
And the dynamic range?..
@@MarcLewis2023many CDs are compressed more than the lps. Even compare CDs mastered from analog tape in the late 80's/early 90's to the same title remastered in the last 15 years. You will noticed the dynamic range has been squashed.
When Bob Ludwig knew a recording was being pressed to lp, he would send an uncompressed 24-bit/96kHz file to the person cutting the lp. Therefore the lp could be compressed less than the CD counterpart. The CD vs lp debate is really a case by case basis. Yes, a properly recorded/mastered CD can beat the lp. Unfortunately most popular music is compressed to hell. Like you, I like both formats. I'm glad I was buying lps in the late 80's/early 90's for cheap when everyone was dumping them for CDs.
Now is a great time to buy CDs for those who like physical media. Yesterday I bought 10 CDs for $2 at my local thrift store. Unless one is streaming from Qobuz or Tidal, you are listening to less than CD quality. If you are listening through cheap earbuds, I guess it makes no difference. But if you have a decent, properly set up set stereo system, the differences are obvious. In the end, it is about enjoying the music.
@@vinylrules4838I always thought vinyl is technically limited in its dynamic range compared with digital
Dude lol, modern shitty pressing of Taylor Swift. 😂😂 you have know idea what you are talking about lol. If you take good care of the record it will sound bad ass no matter what....... Cd= DAC. I will take a analog playback all day. You don't know compression........lol
Out of nowhere let me recommend the original vinyl Red.
@@incamera1457 The original LP of Taylor's "1989" has much less dynamic compression than the CD, so humorously enough the LP sounds more dynamic.
Lps>CDs>mp3s>Streaming
@gon. It's just not as simple as you are making this out to be.
The quality of vinyl playback is very affected by the quality )or lack thereof) found in the build your turntable. As stated in the video here a cheap turntable like the Crosley junk will make the best piece of vinyl sound way worse than what even a budget CD player will do to the music.
As to MP3 this format has an incredibly wide range of quality so lumping all MP3s together as having one sound quality is ridiculous.
A 320kbps MP3 is very hard to tell from a CD and is way better than vinyl done badly.
Likewise lumping all music streaming together an implying it is the same is again foolish and wrong. Quality of steaming lately is very good as long as your settings aren't to low quality. Spotify streams 320kbps (as long as you have it chosen in your settings) which as I said earlier is quite high quality. Some other services stream lossless which can have as much or even more information than a CD.
The days of Napster and Kazaa with low bit rate 120kbps MP3 and even lower audio is thankfully over. I remember some music on early streaming platforms being like 60kbps and it was just awful, streaming in 2024 is a totally different world and can be excellent if done right.
All this can be meaningless if you don't have at least a decent playback system. A crappy Bluetooth speaker can easily make all of this talk of music formats totally irrelevant because you may not be able to even tell the difference between a good source and a mediocre or even lousy one without a reasonable audio system.
To me it is.
@gonzaljevic Well enjoy your simplicity... I suppose.
I would imagine that you are listening on a fairly nice turntable to have come up with your theory (hopefully) but even so your simplistic statement is problematic to anyone reading it who might get the idea that a very cheap turntable will get them better than CD quality as it certainly will not.
Yeah plus i grew up listening to records a we call them back then. I also noticed a diminishing interest in music as it went to digital formats and I went along for the ride. Cds were and still are great but mp3s and streaming has made me he more music but listen to less music if that makes any sense. I do have a rega planar 6 turntable and Vincent pho 701 phono stage. So yes I'm invested in the format. Anyway good video.
CD sound will never be improved on.
Higher sampling rates and bit depths are already improvements on CD, so that's inaccurate even for those who rely solely upon measurements.
@@VideoArchiveGuy Your ears will tell you different Besides the human ear can't detect much or anything at all over 24bit.
The "vinyl" craze is just a rich man's hobby . I grew up with records . I hated cds, but about 2000, I began to like 'em . Vinyl is too vulnerable , too huge -I've came to love cds .......and don't get me started on 8- track tapes !
Specs don't lie. CDs are far superior.