Marilyn Manson - The Psychology of Grooming

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  • @jadegreen1554
    @jadegreen1554 7 місяців тому +7

    It’s really unfortunate when people say grooming only happens to children and even when teens are groomed, they claim they “should have known better by that age” “they went along with it”, “they knew what they were getting into”, “they chose it”.

    • @iamuniquelymade
      @iamuniquelymade 5 місяців тому +4

      This!! I was groomed by my boss. I was 16 and he was seven years older than me. But he perceived that i was “broken” which was true, and he took advantage of it. Im 33 and just now realizing what has happened to me

    • @Cherrylipgloss2025
      @Cherrylipgloss2025 2 місяці тому

      It happens to adults too but especially young females and children

  • @StacyA406
    @StacyA406 4 місяці тому +3

    Thank you for acknowledging that this can happen to adults, too. Especially those who have a history of abuse. They suffer in silence because no one understands why they couldn’t see what was happening and leave. They are shamed and blamed and the damage from all of it is so hard to repair.

  • @baggysmalls
    @baggysmalls 2 роки тому +37

    I'm commenting before i've watched the video, but i can tell you now the grooming process starts to happen when there's vulnerability. Predators can sniff it out, but i'll never forget a quote i read once "the best thing you can give your child is confidence" and i think thats true, even tho i came from a single parent household living in a rough place, i know i wasn't vulnerable enough to be groomed because my household was generally happy. I think it could be generalised by saying "the grooming process starts at home" but i am saying this before i've watched it, so i hope i'm not too wrong lol

    • @baggysmalls
      @baggysmalls 2 роки тому +6

      @@jamyDodger that's true, "vulnerable" is just whatever a predator can manipulate I suppose

    • @evoks_1
      @evoks_1 2 роки тому +2

      Hello. Many 'feisty' ppl musk their insecurities with that behaviour. Many older and more experienced ppl with predatory tendencies know that and can 'sniff' it miles away. They make a scan of their target and with little effort know which buttons to push. Many teenagers have their battles with identity, stuff at home and seek aproval in the wrong places so I agree with the first commenter. It is necessary that parents or guardians install confidence in a child.

    • @jadegreen1554
      @jadegreen1554 7 місяців тому +4

      Sorry, _everyone_ is vulnerable in some way or another. Predators will pounce no matter who, and if one tactic doesn’t work, they use another to get through. Once they have set their sights, it’s hard to break their tangent unless you’re aware. Awareness is the one thing that makes the difference, not vulnerability. Everyone has vulnerabilities, we are not psychopaths, who have a steel wall of non-emotion.

    • @Cherrylipgloss2025
      @Cherrylipgloss2025 2 місяці тому

      ​@@evoks_1it's important children are all taught about pedophiles and domestic abusers and warning signs of grooming behaviors❤🎉

    • @Cherrylipgloss2025
      @Cherrylipgloss2025 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@jadegreen1554teaching children and Young adults about misogynistic narcissistic abuse and what domestic abusers and groomers do and how to identify predators ❤

  • @amandavm
    @amandavm 2 роки тому +21

    In the case of Marilyn Manson, definitely no smoke without fire. Success, money, access, charm ... I'm sure he was definitely into something unsavoury. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about Ian Watkins and how he got away with his sickening behavior for as long as he did. And how he managed to talk mothers of babies into his disgusting fantasies. I think he's the most disturbing individual I've ever come across because I can't imagine how someone can believe their abhorrent behaviour is ok.

  • @jadegreen1554
    @jadegreen1554 7 місяців тому +3

    It’s difficult when victims feel like they cannot come out and allege something like this without ending up in court sued by the criminal, because then they have to prove it happened or else sued for defamation. Many times with grooming it’s YEARS after, because it occurs to people decades after that grooming happened, and they have no proof. They think they “went along with it”. Then the victim has to end up in court to prove that a crime happened and may not be able to prove it decades after. They end up having to not be able to say what happened or even protect themselves from the predator now, because they cannot even say what has happened for fear of legal suits.

  • @the-end-of-my-tether
    @the-end-of-my-tether 2 роки тому +11

    An adult should be protective and nurturing to a child whether it be their own or someone else's 🤬

  • @peteargent5848
    @peteargent5848 2 роки тому +10

    I'm loving your videos and how you are able to bring some humour to these dark topics. You should be more famous :)
    Actually - have you thought about doing a (JCS inspired) video - that will bring hordes of true crime fans

  • @bebewills1066
    @bebewills1066 2 роки тому +6

    Happy new year and bless up💪🏾 I am a Shaun Attwood fan and now your too. Bless you and your family 💐keep up the interesting topics love it 🙏🏽 thanks

  • @Starryeyes65
    @Starryeyes65 2 роки тому +18

    Could you do a video on online grooming pls?

  • @jadegreen1554
    @jadegreen1554 7 місяців тому +2

    I’d say gaining trust (step 3) comes before isolating (step 2) because the individual would have to trust before they go along with the isolation.

  • @scottish48
    @scottish48 2 роки тому +2

    Good video, have listened to you all lot recently. I like when you have guests , it expands on the things you talk about. Very informative.

    • @APsychForSoreMinds
      @APsychForSoreMinds  2 роки тому +2

      Much obliged. You should watch all of my videos back to back without any breaks. It's the best way.

  • @honormcgrace
    @honormcgrace Рік тому +1

    Love this channel, I’ve been under the weather this weekend and have been binge watching your channel. Many thanks for keeping me company this last couple of days ❤

  • @craxd1
    @craxd1 2 роки тому +8

    Anywhere children congregate are the predator's targets. Schools, clubs, orphanages, the groupie scene, poor neighborhoods, and the list goes on.

  • @y_not
    @y_not 2 роки тому +2

    I appreciate when Dr Das quits the jokes during the serious parts

  • @y_not
    @y_not 2 роки тому +4

    Can you talk to the psychology behind people moving predators around and not acknowledging the seriousness of their problems?

    • @jadegreen1554
      @jadegreen1554 2 місяці тому

      @@y_not you’re referring to enablers I think. They’re somewhat psychopathic and narcissistic also

  • @lonewolf8616
    @lonewolf8616 2 роки тому +2

    Doctor, Please make a video on Psychological Autopsy with case laws

  • @ak49snocat89
    @ak49snocat89 2 роки тому +5

    Beyond SICK and Wrong, not to mention Extremely EVIL!!! The poor victim’s lives are destroyed for life 🥺😢. Brakes my heart for them, no matter who they are but especially the children!! Thank you Dr The OMINOUS SOHOMINOUS and Much love to you ❤️.

  • @alexlegaspy2641
    @alexlegaspy2641 Рік тому +1

    6:04 had me dying 😂

  • @cdan3135
    @cdan3135 Рік тому

    Love this vid 🙏🏽

  • @specialtwice4975
    @specialtwice4975 2 роки тому +5

    Most predators like these are thought to be sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists.
    What do you think of this theory?

    • @APsychForSoreMinds
      @APsychForSoreMinds  2 роки тому +6

      I think it needs work. Maybe you should write a dissertation?

    • @sburight
      @sburight 2 роки тому +2

      I believe that they are narcissists. I know that MY groomer was.

  • @johnsilver4392
    @johnsilver4392 2 роки тому +6

    You are very intelligent, but I feel we are all being groomed in some way online

  • @andreawannop8670
    @andreawannop8670 2 роки тому +6

    I like your channel....but you don't need to add these silly asides, silly pictures or noises, for the sake of "looking cool"...it detracts from what you are saying.

    • @lorishu48103
      @lorishu48103 25 днів тому

      He’s being inclusive to the adhd combined type community I c u bro

  • @samelsmore3987
    @samelsmore3987 4 місяці тому +1

    I common thread I have found with young people who have been groomed and trafficked is firstly alot of them think they are in love with the perpetrator cant see the abuse was wrong , also that alot of the predators would threaten family members if the victim didn't follow instructions etc. On One occasion they told one girl if she didn't come out right away they would firebomb the house with their younger siblings in x

    • @jadegreen1554
      @jadegreen1554 2 місяці тому

      @@samelsmore3987 that’s typical grooming.

    • @samelsmore3987
      @samelsmore3987 2 місяці тому

      @@jadegreen1554 exactly x

  • @janneke7818
    @janneke7818 2 роки тому +7

    We (the world) have just finished following the Depp v Heard case... and we we were all reminded that no one is guilty until proven so.
    You named this video after a man who has never been convicted, only accused.. and by a friend of Heard no less.
    Please, I really very much enjoy and appreciate your expertise and profesionalism.
    But do a little more research about Manson before naming a video about grooming (and abuse) after him.
    Colonel Kurz has a lot of facts, an accurate timeline, many interviews with people involved and legal knowledge
    Again, love your video's!

    • @AyitaIam
      @AyitaIam 5 місяців тому

      Omg..thank you. I've never watched who u speak of, but I did my own deep dive after watching Phoneix Rising..I don't like to share, but I do know victimhood and something didn't sit right after watching it so as I did my research I found put so many things about her..testimony for custody of her son will show her own ex husband says she lives in a fantasy world and he doesn't believe alot of what she says and she lied about fbi papers..her and that Australian chick faked those. So thank you again for not just going with popular opinion. I think in time we will see Rachel is not the innocent victim she portends to be.

  • @tobiwalker7145
    @tobiwalker7145 2 роки тому +3

    Grooming is simply the courtship of an inappropriate target. Taking a person to dinner, buying them gifts, asking them on private dates without their friends nearby, getting parents to feel safe with their dates, kissing and petting...the same goal. We want to assume all sexual activity is somehow grooming, that no woman (women in particular because they're thought of as helpless, sexless beings) would ever willingly participate in sex, unusual sex, threesomes or bondage therefore it MUST be victimizing. But women have sex drives, even hormone-filled female teenagers. We've set the calendar back all the way to Queen Victoria's time...

    • @AyitaIam
      @AyitaIam 5 місяців тому

      Have u read the transcripts on Rachel Evans Woods testimony in court? Her own ex, father of her son doesn't believe her about Manson.

  • @geraldinecarleton1203
    @geraldinecarleton1203 2 роки тому

    love your channel

  • @mosesmelo5535
    @mosesmelo5535 8 місяців тому

    Give me a second, i have to grab my pepper spray.

  • @Bradley9967
    @Bradley9967 2 роки тому +10

    Enough with the annoying jokes.

  • @katieb.1184
    @katieb.1184 2 роки тому +1

    time to learn as a parent... not that my kids are around anyone rn

  • @finuriae
    @finuriae Місяць тому

    Tbh, I think you should also do a video on your hair and beard routine, maybe at the beginning of April, just a thought 😜

  • @svalentina3075
    @svalentina3075 2 роки тому +2

    "Bit of a dark topic today"... As opposed to murder and criminally insane people, sure ;-)

  • @shweefranglais7900
    @shweefranglais7900 2 роки тому +9

    Appreciate what you say about grooming, but linking it to Marylyn Manson is extremely unfair. These are accusations and he has never been taken to court and found guilty over this. There is also a lot of speculation backed up by evidence out there to show he may be being framed and wrongly accused.( similarly to Johnny Depp) f you are interested in learning more follow Colonel Kurtz who has looked into this in depth. Many of the accusations have massive holes and inconsistencies. and there is a lot of other evidence that points towards this being a vindictive plan to extract money and to get him cancelled. .

    • @janneke7818
      @janneke7818 2 роки тому

      Thank you! Came here to say this
      Yes colonel Kurtz, she has a good timeline, loads of facts, legal information and relevant interviews

  • @Claudia-se3mp
    @Claudia-se3mp 2 роки тому +3

    The boys school Head Master, The Boy Scouts of America and the Catholic Church have alot in common. lol

  • @zeddeka
    @zeddeka Рік тому +1

    It's interesting how naive we were about such things until fairly recently. About 20 years ago, something happened to me when I was at university. A lecturer who worked in the same department I was studying was near retirement and was very much considered to be the kindly old man. He was friendly with all of the students that he taught and they all loved him. He'd been a teacher in a school beforehand and used to tell us about how friendly he was with the police as he did translation work for them. He seemed to take a kindly interest in my studies, even though I didn't study what he taught. Shortly before he retired there was an incident where another student had seen him at a bar and he had said something inappropriate. Interestingly, all the other students ostracised the student who had made the complaint. How could anyone complain about such a lovely old man? This man took me to one side one day and asked me if I'd heard what had happened. I was very embarrassed and pretended I hadn't. Some time after that, I was waiting at a bus stop and he drove past. He stopped the car and asked me if I wanted a lift. I'd never really understood why people got into cars like that, but the way he spoke made me incredibly embarrassed in front of the other people in the bus queue and so I got in. Needless to say, within a few minutes, his hand was wandering up my leg. I moved away and got out as soon as I could. I never actually saw him again after that as I hadn't known he'd decided to leave the university. Knowing what I know now, it's really concerned me about what he will have done when he was a teacher in a school. It was absolutely classic grooming and he had very clearly done it many times before. Every now and then I look online to see if he has been reported in any historic scandals. I'm sure he must be dead by now but I'm absolutely sure that there will be kids who were groomed by him when they were younger than I was.

  • @nattie911
    @nattie911 Рік тому

    Is dysthmia really a "diet clinical depression"? Ive read thay its ad serious ass MDD, but it's the duration that makes it dysthymia

  • @bunnyluver2176
    @bunnyluver2176 Рік тому

    I'd as everyone is innocent until proven guilty that being said I think if there's lot of smoke there's fire.

  • @karenchadwick5853
    @karenchadwick5853 Рік тому

    Will you do a second book?

  • @tracy_x.x
    @tracy_x.x Рік тому +2

    I think smoke without fire happens. Especially if you consider how fast info spreads now. Court of public opinion is guilty until proven innocent. Imo it has always been that way, but it's definitely exacerbated now. That's my opinion.

    • @AyitaIam
      @AyitaIam 5 місяців тому

      My opinion too..and my name is also Tracy😂

    • @AyitaIam
      @AyitaIam 5 місяців тому

      I'll add..not saying Manson is 100% innocent, I wasn't there, but after watching Phoenix Rising, something didn't sit well with me so I did further research and I'm sorry, I don't believe her and neither does the father of her son.

  • @imreallydead.23
    @imreallydead.23 2 роки тому +3

    I’d have loved you as my psychiatrist when I was in forensics my dr was a psychopath no cap 🧢

    • @oizys2.0
      @oizys2.0 2 роки тому +2

      basically all psychiatrists are psychopaths 😄

    • @APsychForSoreMinds
      @APsychForSoreMinds  2 роки тому +3

      Are we? ok. thanks

    • @oizys2.0
      @oizys2.0 2 роки тому +1

      @@APsychForSoreMinds yes 🤣

  • @gert8439
    @gert8439 2 роки тому +3

    I was really into Marilyn Manson for a while, that one was a shock.
    Did you notice Maxwell used a memory expert witness to try the defence that victims have unreliable memories - and Andrew's lawyers are hinting at that too?
    Looks like this is the new go-to angle. Therapy unearthing repressed memories is controversial too. I wondered what your thoughts are on that?

  • @jodimarie379
    @jodimarie379 Рік тому

    Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal standard. Absolutely if we are talking about criminal charges. In terms of employment, I think a lesser standard is acceptable. People can be fired because their boss doesn't like their shoes or because their boss just feels like it.

  • @sarahjoy8479
    @sarahjoy8479 2 роки тому +7

    Personally I’m going to say mr. Manson is innocent until proven guilty but the dude is a bit strange. I still think Johnny Depp is innocent, the court proved him guilty but I believe his daughter and his legend.

    • @janneke7818
      @janneke7818 2 роки тому +1

      This is a comment that aged beautifully 🥰

    • @sarahjoy8479
      @sarahjoy8479 2 роки тому +1

      @@janneke7818 I’m still praying for an appeal in the UK 🇬🇧 if there is such a thing. However I don’t think JD really cares he knows the world was watching

    • @janneke7818
      @janneke7818 2 роки тому +1

      @sarahJOY I really dont think that will happen... it wasnt between the two of them anyway, it was between Johnny and the press
      Im just looking forward to new films that he's in and the case of Manson because that will be an almost equal sh*tshow

  • @jstudd1627
    @jstudd1627 2 роки тому +2

    Link to the gaslighting video ua-cam.com/video/y62UCYOusnE/v-deo.html

  • @johnsilver4392
    @johnsilver4392 2 роки тому +1

    Sorry, don't you answer, questions on here... don't I have big enough numbers?

  • @DCornwell-d2t
    @DCornwell-d2t 2 місяці тому

    Why don't people do something if they suspect or know someone is abusing minors? Case in point: Sandusky was observed in the shower with a minor at Penn State , yet nothing was done. A sports machine is more important than the lives of those young boys? Hideous

  • @jos1953
    @jos1953 Рік тому +2

    Having watch Marylyn Manson pick a teenage girl out of the audience at a Download festival a few years ago, invited her onto stage and it was obvious what he whispered in her ear, before slapping her bum and sending off-stage to wait for him to finish the gig. I realised at that point there was something wrong with this behaviour, and was not surprised as to what he was accused of soon afterwards.

  • @Claudia-se3mp
    @Claudia-se3mp 2 роки тому +1

    Grooming appears to be dating in the 80's. LOL

  • @flej01
    @flej01 2 роки тому

    Unfortunately you are summing a lot of marriages, so many women go through this, i have many friends who have been fooled in relationships.

  • @sheldonpaige4ever921
    @sheldonpaige4ever921 21 день тому

    Watching me. Watch this!

  • @alexlegaspy2641
    @alexlegaspy2641 Рік тому

    You should do an analysis of Patrick Bateman 😎

    • @Dude-zc5py
      @Dude-zc5py 5 місяців тому +1

      It's in the title of the film and the book.

  • @andreawannop8670
    @andreawannop8670 2 роки тому +1

    Eg "the sponge" and "yo Bombay"....I just dislike that...there's plenty of ppl on UA-cam talking about narcissism and the like....as a scientist and expert...u just don't need to "trendify" your content for the sake of it

  • @hazelangus
    @hazelangus 2 роки тому +1

    I'm a kinkster and I believe Marilyn Manson is an offender using BDSM as a shield to hide his abuse. We do have these types on the scene and they can be very much a problem due to kink still being a little bit underground. I am familiar with at least two cases of someone who does this sort of grooming in my local area.

    • @hazelangus
      @hazelangus 2 роки тому

      @@claudia-Silva I know, and I understand.

  • @bungle3912
    @bungle3912 2 роки тому +7

    I can’t believe you’d put Marilyn Mansion’s pic up - a man who has never been convicted in a court of law. You should’ve put Decca there instead.

  • @ishtarkimmycraigasyouare8320
    @ishtarkimmycraigasyouare8320 2 роки тому

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  • @uzbekistansiberia8546
    @uzbekistansiberia8546 2 роки тому

    watch your children and your older young adults. see older with younger isn't right and is it good.

  • @Gokce-Aysun
    @Gokce-Aysun 2 роки тому +5

    Innocent until proven guilty. 100%
    Don't fall into the same trap that AH set. Keep an open mind and do not condemn without evidence. Because ERW accuses MM without proof. MM did not isolate ERW. She was never at any time kept from her friends and family. And MM was not her first much older male partner. People that knew them say that she was the assertive one in the relationship. I have actually met MM and he does not have the personality many people assumes he has. He definitely did not seem assertive at all, so I believe when the witnesses say that about him and her. He is nothing like his stage persona. Wait for the upcoming trial to make decisions. Steer clear of assumptions. Also check our my girl Colonel Kurtz if you have not. She has some very important interviews on her channel of people who knew MM and ERW. And anticipate another defamation lawsuit/trial as big as the JD and AH one. It will probably happen next year.

    • @janneke7818
      @janneke7818 2 роки тому +3

      Watching Colonel Kurtz really opened my eyes
      Thank you for saying this

  • @kumkumjain9864
    @kumkumjain9864 2 роки тому

    wanting to b liked is th first vulnerability... th market is always grooming u nomatter what yr job

  • @johnsilver4392
    @johnsilver4392 2 роки тому +1

    Your very funny, doctor

    • @johnsilver4392
      @johnsilver4392 2 роки тому

      Could you please explain, why the tricks and flicks are necessary?

    • @APsychForSoreMinds
      @APsychForSoreMinds  2 роки тому +1

      I'm being deadly serious, Mr Silver

    • @johnsilver4392
      @johnsilver4392 2 роки тому

      You are clever, just alittle blind sided

    • @johnsilver4392
      @johnsilver4392 2 роки тому

      I would like to say, I'm not digging you out, you are certainly a well educated man..

  • @yeryoutubestuff2955
    @yeryoutubestuff2955 4 місяці тому

    Maybe save all the jokes, rapping and other attempts at comedy for a light-hearted topic. Consider the topic of the post

  • @sburight
    @sburight 2 роки тому

    One of R. Kelly's lawyers stated that he made the singer switch up the lyrics for that "Ignition" remix.
    The song was actually about a teenager taking a driver's Ed class 😳

  • @matermatuta1462
    @matermatuta1462 2 роки тому

    Look at him talking about grooming with A SMILE ON HIS FACE THE WHOLE TIME. If i were his mother id barf