- You get to float around and be spooky af - You get to be best friends with other spooky bois - Spend eternity tracking down the best calcium - Use alchemy to make the best milk - Every day is halloween
Yuck😝 you would stink and have to watch you body decay it's better to be a vampire you look and smell human plus you can get laid and don't have to live like a hermit
@@wolfshadow3789 you wouldn't have to smell. There are thing that could help mask it. And like how much do you decay? Cus if you end up as just a skeleton then you would smell like nothing maybe dust.
All I'll say is you never see a lich who regrets their new form and power. Vampirism is the power of a daedric lord, corpus is the power of a disease, but lichdom? That's the power mortals took for themselves.
Then you are not looking hard enough, most Lichs are not mentally stable and for most it becomes a curse when they realize the drawbacks of being dead, that is mentioned by Vastarie.
You meet a friendly litch in the Morrowind Bloodmoon main quest line that helps the Nerevarine, and we ofc help the litch so he can rest easy for once. Not all Litches want the power
Imo Lichdom is worth it if you decided to learn the ways of illusion magic. Both hiding the phyalctery and hiding the decaying state of ones being should be rather easy that way.
I totally agree with you, Znax. Ya gotta be smart about it. I'm going to use the Undeath mod when I replay Skyrim. Might even write a small story about my character.
President of the Secrete Sankcake Server Or better yet make the phylactery out of an extremely tough, if not indestructible, material. Then enchant said phylactery to be even tougher. And THEN, after transferring your soul into it, hide it. In addition, do a Voldemort by splitting your soul into multiple pieces and place them into more phylactery’s. Then use the same precautions as above. But with the additional precaution of hiding them as far away from each other as possible.
Curious how if you talk to that elf in Skingrad, you see your character knows the exact punishment for necrophilia in Cyrodiil. And people wonder why they're in prison at the beginning of the game.
And improve Vampire form and more werecreature to turn into oh and Deadra cult battles can you imagine being a lich and fighting Meridia cult and Aurorans that be great
>Amass wealth. >Purchase diamond worth 50gp/Hitdice. >Make almost unbreakable diamond phylactery. >Disguise diamond phylactery as a rock. >Inconspicuously hide rock. >Invest time into illusion and restoration magic. >Disguise self to blend into mortal world. >Need to feed the phylactery? Hunt bandits and outlaws. >Spend peaceful days reading and playing with magic. Once you're a Lich, you got all the time in the world to make it work for you. And because your soul is not attached to your body you are effectivly immune to being soul trapped. No one said Liches have to be evil.
No, you don't need to be evil but you kinda lose your touch with your humanity as time goes by. At first I have no doubt you would restrain yourself to bandits and such but, sooner or later, atrocity after atrocity will make you care less until you start to see other humans as cattle or lesser beings such as you see mosquitoes now. Even if you don't go deliberately killing, you would have no problems in killing that poor milkmaid walking near your cave just because you needed materials for your new experimental purple magelight spell which will make your altar a hundred times more comfortable for reading.
@@KainMLK So you assert the position that you either die good or you live long enough to transform into a villain? I don't see it that way. Morality is just as reactionary as it is foundational, a good character doesn't slowly turn into a bad one just because time passes and if you're falling my above mentioned process than you would be building a positive reputation in a populated location, increasing the good interactions while minimizing the bad ones. And even if said Lich begins to adopt apathy and see humans as cattle that doesn't mean that the Lich must remain that way. Don't discount the character of who the Lich was before becoming undead just because you yourself haven't seen a working example of undead that isn't evil. Also I said nothing of caves or alters.
@@T3nch1 oh no, but I see the reason of the misunderstanding here. It's not that he would slowly degenerate into an evil being because he lived long enough. The degeneration I meant would occur due to the lich's constant murderous acts. You see, let's compare him to a paladin who is immortal because of some kind of bless and let's assume he is inherently righteous. He will kill many people, that's a fact we can't go against, but all the lives he will take are justified before his own judgement. Now let's go back to the lich. He will kill other human beings to sustain his life. It's not because of justice, it's not to protect someone else, it's not on self defence. He will be murdering to sustain his own life. Someone who is inherently righteous wouldn't do that knowing he would be either obliterating or sending his victim's soul to the Soul Cairn, denying said victim his afterlife. By this point we can already assume the lich to be at least a neutral character. Now during centuries and centuries he will keep killing bandits and other n'er-do-wells for the sake of his own existence, without anything else to justify it. Do you see where I'm getting at here?
@@T3nch1 by the way, the cave and altar were just to exemplify with a stereotype a frivolous reason which would lead a very old and detached lich to claim a life without thinking twice.
@@KainMLK I see the points you are making but I just don't agree with it because it completely divorces the concepts of choice and accountability. If a paladin can kill all he wants because they are justified in his own mind then how is that suppose to compare to a Lich who would be killing as a source of maintaining its own life? If we are to make that connection than inherently it makes the paladin less human as they have already abdicated choice and personal accountability for their own killing because a higher being already told them too where as a Lich, juxtaposed against the popular fantasy narrative of evil necromancy would be making the choice to only predate on criminals of the beings own morality and rational thought. In this example as presented the paladin is "doing good" not because they want to but because they accept that they are told to where is the Lich "does good" because they choose to. Please correct me if I am not understand your point the way you are presenting it but I don't see the act of becoming a Lich is inherently evil or will lead to a character turning malevolent. Nor do I see this link that would morally corrupt the Lich that I'm seeing you imply.
I recently downloaded the undeath mod for skyrim and after playing around I learned something really important... Necromancy is the magic of friendship, see a fire and ice mage fighting? kill them and make them friends, see a bear have a disagreement with a hunter? same thing, when it comes to being undead everybody is friends.
Draugr Deathlord to mortals: Aw shit, it's the shouty skeleton zombie. This is gonna be a pain in the ass... Deathlord to Liches: Well hello there fellow undead, I'ma need you to just... *casts Command Undead* Alright moving on You don't even have to kill them yourself :V If it's dead, it's friend to a Lich
Mannimarco was part of the Psijic Order. He most likely time-stopped his body from decaying during the Lich transformation. I mean, if Earil, a Demented in Crucible can do it, i'm fairly certain a former Psijic student can do it.
this is what I thought was the case with divayth fyr and mistress dratha. Theyre both stated as being thousands of years old and sustaining themselves with necromantic arts. I always just assumed that Dratha at least was a lich and was just concealing her true identity. I guess its difficult to tell the difference between a powerful wizard and a lich, since they both live for so long and hoard artefacts + have had centuries to build up massive political power and resources. When the lore says "wizards extend their lifespan if theyre powerful enough" do you think that means through powerful restoration magic, or through enchantments that slow down ageing, or through transforming into undead? I always just figured it was undead. And that they had figured out how to conceal it. Would be interesting to see if the other telvanni wizard lords survived the red year and the wars + the events of morrowing. We know neloth's death in morrowind wasn't canon for example... I hope therana, dratha and fyr lived at least
Absolutely worth it! if a Lich want to look living they have a lot of different methods to do so, such as Alteration Magic, Illusion magic, Flesh magic, conjuration magic,possession...lots of different options, and you got eternity to hone and perfect them as a true master of magic, just look at some of the Liches like Mannimarco and Vastarie.
Or perhaps also take the time to go through dwemer ruins when getting killed is only inconvenient and reverse engineer their tech, and then create some sort of robotic armor for yourself and some robotic minions.
@@krimverse5903 Yeah then create an ultimate dwemer robotic body then possess it! having total control over your spirit is one of Lichdom's advantages as well!
James Sutton I would love if you could steer the different guilds be more evil, good, or morally gray. Like allowing or banning necromancy from the mages guild for example.
Being a lich is all about power and knowledge. For the mage that intends to become a lich, worldly pleasures mean nothing anyway, all that matters is the constant pursuit of knowledge and power. Mages that become liches are like the psychopaths/sociopaths of the magic world and could care less about what others think about them. So for someone who's primary ambition is to constantly increase their knowledge in all things, and to increase their power, then being a lich is worth it. Once a mage becomes a lich all mortal needs are no more and any form of emotion, physical desire and empathy they have fade away over time. My problem with the "liches" in Elder Scrolls, is that they all seem like they have little intelligence left and attack you just on instinct. I'd much rather have my player run into a lich and have a conversation where depending on your answers decides what the lich does to you instead of attacking you outright. Seriously, if your character has made it all the way through the dungeon and into the lich's lair, the lich will want to know how you made it and why you are there to begin with and may try to recruit you to its service, with the promise of a powerful artifact or spell. That being said, in the Elder Scrolls, no a lich is not worth it, because they all seem like powerful but brainless zombies to me, not the powerful, yet intelligent undead being they are supposed to be. It's as if their intelligence and sentience has rotted away along with their flesh and all they know is that someone is in their lair and must die for disturbing them.
Even in the D&D lore liches once they become too old they start becoming braindead very powerful zombies that attack everything on sight... some of them stop feeding souls to their phylactery and their body decays as they become flying skulls ... the monster manual refers to them as "demi-lich" but it is a mistake that was made in 5e... the demilich is actually an ascended lich who has performed a ritual to unbind himself from the mortal plane and be able to project himself to the atral planes... but all liches once they have just lived too long at some point will just stop feeding souls to their phylactery and just rest/sleep until someone disturb their lair.
@@SadFemboy Ye I mean liches may be completly sane... you may also meet the famous bro-lich that i once met in a dnd campaign... a lich that didn't have interactions with anyone for centuries and felt so lonely that is a bro to the party and tryes to help... you may meet the sleeping extreamly old lich that just because you get close to his tomb you take 80d20 necrotic damage if you alignment is a good one. Also I don't know but the liches we meet in skyrim don't seem to be liches to me. They have no phylactery we know of and they don't respawn... once you kill them they seem to be gone for good.
Would definitely become a Lich... I mean you could stash your phalactory in a place it would never be found.... maybe if you were powerful enough even a pocket dimension of oblivion. From there spend ages gaining knowlegde and power, bide your time until the mortals are in a state of choas, create a huge undead army, swoop in and usurp the empire. From there just keep raising undead, make some daedric pacts perhaps and just rule forever.
With enough knowledge and power you may be able to don the guise of a mortal. And maybe even truly look and feel mortal with an immortal soul and body.
Personally I think some elves could find being a lich worth it. the Altmer for example view mortality as a curse so from their perspective I could see how becoming a lich could be like breaking free of a curse
How about making a "Is It Worthy" series about being aligned with each one of the known daedric princes? This would include being merely a cultist to becoming his/her champion. And about being a Lich... If I were to go on this path I would go a step further and would try to separate my own mind from my body, "possessing" my followers and borrowing their bodies while my decaying carcass would remain safely hidden furthering my studies. Maybe through an artifact I would be able to keep control regardless of the distance.
My fav character is a Lich Necromancer using Ordinator, the undeath mod and a mod that let's me collect bodies. Essentially going around harvesting the bodies of skyrims most powerful inhabitants. Total opposite of my typical favorite archetype a Paladin. Awesome video
It is worth it if you get the Lich mod where you find bits of skeleton on dead bodies and when you get enough to put together a permanent skeletal warrior...up to like 12 I think.
You should also do a video on the non playable races, seeing if they’re worth it or not. Races like Goblins, Trolls, Ogres, Falmer/Snow Elves, Dwemer/Dwarves, etc. And maybe even the races of Akaviir too.
"100 years longer by adopting a shorter walking stride" I'm sorry I'm gonna need lore on THAT Edit: it has been 2 years and I still need a Phynaster lore analysis
How to become a Goodguy Lich: -Use the souls of pedophiles, murderers, and other malcontents -Erect an army of law-keeping undead -Destroy the forces that threaten freedom -Change everyone’s views on lichdom, not only in respects to the good one is capable of, but how to relatively ethically become one, and what it means to be one
What happens when you get laid? your partner will eventually notice your manhood rotted away if your a dude, and if your a lady you'll feel very boney. Or when you are in a tavern getting "drunk" everyone may eventually notice you can't get drunk, If you are a Redguard or Bosmer you can get away with this, alcohol behaves like poison which they are resistant to, But what if being viewed as one of the two is not your cup of tea. It'd be preferabe to live in a town of idiots to make your masquerade easier.
Hircine's hunting grounds is the best choice for an afterlife in my opinion, it's a rewarding afterlife, like Sovngarde, but you can actually experience some action. Also you've already established being a lycanthrope is worth it so...
According to Celedaen, destroying the phylactery after spirit transference will not weaken or kill the lich, so protecting your phylactery isn't intrinsically important. Just something worth noting; the importance of the phylactery is quite temporary. So... That's one con mostly removed.
What I would attempt, if in such a situation, would be to bind my soul to a network of black soul gems. I would carefully modify each so that they'd house my soul instead of trap it, and then I would build secret caches around Tamriel. Within these caches I would place many powerful wards, so that none may enter or likely even find them. The caches would contain magicly constructed golems, primarily made of Dwarven metal so that they do not rust. In the heart of the golems, heavily protected and reinforced, would be one black soul gem each. While setting these caches up, I would craft a large soul trap container and enchant hundreds of cheap amulets with a minor benefit in addition to a specialised soul trap spell that would drag the soul into my container upon the wearers death. I would sell these amulets for 75% the market price, spreading them far and wide across the continent. Then, if ever I die, my soul would be transferred to one of my golem bodies, the souls trapped within my container flooding my new body, powering it up and enchanting it with superhuman strength and dexterity. Then, I would go on my way. I would wear a hood, and if anyone asked I'd say I was one of the last creations of the Dwarves, and woke up alone just recently. I'd hopefully find a place that would accept me, perhaps with the mages guild or something, and then I would set about studying dwarven constructs further so I could enhance my bodies with modifications. Then, if ever my body and soul gem are destroyed, I would be spirited away to a new body far away from my attackers. That, would be my form of lichdom.
Necropost (fitting, for this video) but what this dude needs is to have his idea made into a D&D Lich I'm not gonna because I don't play it, but still :T
I'd like to point out: Mannimarco is called the first of the UNDYING liches. Implying that he wasn't the first lich, but the first of a type of lich, possibly the kind that is truly impossible to kill for good. EDIT: Also, for Elder Scrolls liches, the Phylactery is only important during the transformation. Once it's done, the phylactery can be discarded. It's a temporary container.
Eh, it all depends on how you use it. You could bore yourself to tears hanging out in some cave, you you could master the illusion magics necessary to appear normal to mortals, which is most likely exactly what Mannimarco did. This is also how it works for the player in the Undeath mod. However, even if you can't do that, you can still always pull an Ainz Ooal Gown and attempt to take over Tamriel to cement your eternal rule after you have become sufficiently powerful. That's what I did in my Lich playthrough in Skyrim. I chose to side with Ulfric with the full intent of ultimately betraying him, using the war to acquire loyal followers while also secretly expanding my army of the undead using the casualties of war. After driving out the Empire, I came out of nowhere, challenged Ulfric in the old Nord way, usurped his crown, and enthralled both him and Tullius. My legions of the undead that the Stormcloaks had been accepting as a necessary evil turned their blades to my former "comrades," while power was promised to those who swore fealty to me. Any resistance would be crushed by the unstoppable might of my magical powers. To make matters worse for the people of Tamriel, turns out I'm a Dragonborn on top of it all, and so the dragons were hunted down and slaughtered like animals, including Alduin, all to fuel my ever growing power. Now, armed with the power of dragons, the forbidden knowledge of Hermaeous Mora and the secret to bend mortals to my will as Miiraak did, the full support of the Volkihar now that I've granted them freedom from their madman ruler and from the tyranny of the sun, the assistance of the Dark Brotherhood that I saved from extinction, the Thieves Guild who profit immensely from my rule, the College of Winterhold that I was put in direct control of, the people of Skyrim who I now rule through fear as their rightful High King for eternity, and the full armies of the Stormcloaks and Empire in undead form, I now stand poised to take over the entire world. As the armies of both sides fall, I can simply add them to my ranks of the undead, further multiplying my army, and growing my power. If the situation requires it, I can personally lead the assault to launch magical nuke after nuke until my enemies submit to my will, with absolutely no risk to myself, for I cannot die. Once I'm done conquering Tamriel, I shall turn my gaze to Akavir, and to all other corners of Nirn until I've taken over the entire world. I do not care how many hundreds or thousands or millions or billions of people try to stop me. Ultimately, once a new Shezzarine inevitably rises up to challenge me, I shall trap their soul into a new Mantella, and use it to ascend to divinity, as Mannimarco once did, spitting in the face of the Divines, the Daedra, and Lorkhan all. It is the ultimate victory over the Aurubis itself that I seek. All for the low, low price of my humanity. (Lol, it sure is a good thing the next Elder Scrolls games all take place in similar yet different timelines from your actual playthrough, because Tamriel in the timeline I made with that playthrough is totally fucked! It's a shame that character can never come back to be a supervillain for my future characters to defeat xD)
Been going through a skyrim phase again and once again I come back to your vids. Love the content my guys. I feel like the only way you can become an accepted lich and not be seen as a complete monster is if your sacrifices are of evil people. For instance, if a court wizard decided to become a lich by using dark brotherhood members or similar "evil" people. Even then he'd be monstrous for doing the procedure, but he'd serve the city for all of time. Or even serve the High King as a all time advisor
As a lich you could study illusion magic and use that to make you appear alive as any creature or even use alteration magic I think most liches just don't care to mengal with people
I had once made an Imperial Lich character named Zagreus who chose to become a Lich because he wanted to live long enough and amass enough power so that he can use his immense power and knowledge to ensure that the races of man had a future, combatting against anything and anyone that would wish to either destroy the world or subjugate mortalkind to their will, whether it be Daedric Prince, dragon, or Thalmor inquisitors. All in all, he wanted to protect the world and its people, even if he must sacrifice his humanity and even a portion of his morality to do so. Zagreus chose to be a Lich instead of a vampire because he knew that if he was killed in the midst of battle or assassinated, then his body would reconstitute and he would be able to try again. But as a vampire, not only would he have more debilitating weaknesses, but Zagreus loathed the idea of giving up his soul to an otherworldly force that he didn't trust and only saw mortalkind as playthings. It was his soul, he would decide what to do with it.
How the hell does a shorter stride help you live longer? o.O you're spending more energy taking more steps to move the same distance... Elfs are weird.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you see Minimarco becoming a Litch in the beginning of the Elder Scrolls Online main story quest; he does this by forcing as many captives as possible onto an alter and carving their souls out, leaving you a Soul Shriven.
if I was a lich I'd try to take over the soul cairn and run it as an undying monarch with the soultrapped souls being the citizens. Beating the ideal masters would be quite a challenge though, I'd imagine.
- You get to continually grow more powerful - You get to shape history in the Elder Scrolls universe - You can actually spend eternity (assumingly) as a hero or villian. - Very likely you won't fall victim to a Daedric prince or something, as you will need little. - Big world crisis stuff will be less "bad" for you overall. - You'll likely become a legend in the lore somehow. Seems worth it to me. The afterlife is too random for anyone but the average citizen. You can get your soul stolen, accidently associate with Daedra, become a Werewolf, a Vampire, etc. So many ways to screw your afterlife, and then you'll live eternally in a realm of a Daedra or worst. Better to spend eternity getting powerful to buy time to figure things out.
It would be worth it to me as long as you have necromantic followers who wanted to know more and seek you out. In exchange, they could pass onto you the knowledge of the outside world through books or pamphlets or word-of-mouth. You would be a sort of eternal, unorthodox grandmaster of magic and the dark arts. Personally, I find myself very reclusive and disengaged from society anyway, so I don't see it as a huge loss so long as I can get my highlights here and there and just continue my pursuit of unraveling magical mysteries and teach students. It'd be more like being a Sith Lord.
First thought for a good artifact to use for the ritual: Meridia's Beacon and/or Dawnbreaker as they are literally the relics of the antithesis of undeath.
Lets not forget that artifacts and items that absorb health has a tendency to turn a person into an undead over time. The vampirirc rings owner in morrowind turned into a skeleton.. in red Mountain there is a skeleton brandishing a shield that absorbs health.. the necromancers amulet extends life as well.. extended knowledge in mysticism also extends life considerably..
The only thing I could possibly think of to do as a Lich would be to make your own kingdom either by raising it from scratch or simply stealing it from another. As a Lich your magical abilities are paramount and far greater than that of most if given proper time to learn, thus it would be easy to take over given that alone. The only thing a Lich would need is to be able to please and sway the people which again, can be done magically. At the end of the day, if the people are happy who would care what their ruler looks like?
I've never understood the longing for life extension in a world where an afterlife that's preferable to the living world is an undeniable fact. If I were a Nord, the first thing I'd do after learning to walk is pick a fight with a giant and go to Sovengard.
It could be argued that most of the supposed Liches aren't actually Liches. The dragon priests are more or less mummies locked away and needing to be preserved. Mannimarko sounds like more of a leech than a lich considering he seems to absorb and maintain his power not by sucking on souls but by absorbing power from artifacts perhaps that's why he looks normal. The Ancient elves could definitely be Liches as well as those cursed to be intelligent undead. The Underking is a good example of an elder scrolls Lich.
Revisiting Skyrim through Skyrim VR at the moment. My current main is a High Elf who I envision as a Lich. First he did the Mage's college questline to obtain more power. He began taking an interest in communing with Daedra and conjuration, and eventually became Archmage of the college. Then, hungry for even more power, he sought to conquer death by embracing Vamprism and completing the Dawnguard questline. I think next on the list is Dragonborn content where he can make further deals with Daedra and learn more summoning spells. I am enjoying playing a more behind-the-scenes puppet master role, manipulating people to murder one another or summoning small armies to defeat my enemies. I know games like Skyrim are more typically associated with the hands-on adventurer archetype but this play style also feels very contextual as I find myself at the center of major events, often pulling strings to fit my agenda. It would be awesome to see one day some sort of technology that allowed for future TES games to adapt previous save files from other titles; for example in a future game I might encounter my Lich character in a dungeon and have to defeat him.
Misconceptions of a Lich: - You have to forgo humanity - actually you don't. Whatever you were in life will remain with you even as a Lich, you'll just see yourself above everything else. - All Liches are Evil - no, it's only because it is considered evil that makes them evil to everyone and everything else. Much like Vampires and Werewolves, not all are evil. - Power for the sake of more power - really it is Immortality, but for most it is the desire to achieve more. More knowledge, discoveries, unlocking mysteries, and making yourself more of a legend. Yes, you will look like a corpse, literally forever. Yes, you'll be regarded as a monster (but not much different from a vampire or werewolf, they too are monsters). The biggest possible drawback of being a Lich: Your phylactery is the only thing keeping you from literal oblivion, not the plane/domain of the deadric realm, but I mean soul death. If that is destroyed, so too is your very soul. Even Vampires and Werewolves can look forward to an afterlife, but Lich will NEVER see that afterlife. They will simply cease to exist. Vampirism and Lycanthropy are just curses, once you die as either, you go to the plane of Oblivion, but you can still be cured of either and possibly redeem yourself. Once you become a Lich, there is no going back. Besides to become a Lich requires you to die and bring yourself back. So in that sense, you are already dead. Once you die, really die, it is permanent. Not even a Daedric Prince can bring you back, you are THAT dead. So it really depends on whether you're willing to take that kind of gamble and if it fits your goals. If you want a chance to be with an Aedra or Daedra, then Lichdom really isn't for you.
On one hand, eternal life. On the other, your dong will fall off. Eternity without my dong does not seem appealing. Unless... DWEMER PNEUMATIC TECHNOLOGY
The way I see it, Mannimarco achieved lichdom using techniques opposite of others. Every other person (in the lore) achieved lichdom through hasty methods. In one ritual, they (essentially) use an alterted soul trap method on themselves, making themselves simply undead. Mannimarco didn't do this. He slowly and methodically achieved lichdom by altering his living body, piece by piece over a long period of time, essentially killing his mortal body but simultaneously putting it in a (sort of) suspended state. Basically, he achieved a pure form of lichdom. He is immortal but not living. A sort of demi-god, impervious to normal methods of killing and immune to decay. That's probably why he has the title of, "the first lich" as what he achieved is actually what Necromancers aspire to become. He is a "proper" or "true" lich. The common lich you encounter is an imperfect, botched version of the desired outcome. That said, it is also worth noting that this is Mannimarco from one timeline. There are apparently three versions of him in the Elder Scrolls universe from three different timelines (due to the dragonbreak); One where he achieved, his lichdom, another where he was defeated and killed and finally, one where he went above and beyond lichdom and became a god.
If you have a cult, you could use them to recruit members who may revere your newfound power to then seize power over your area by using the army you recruited and immense power you gained.
For me beign a Lich is super worth it, a lot more than beign a vampire or a werewolf. You have immortality, incredible magic powers, you can resurrect, you can literally become a walking god because of how powerful you can become and you have to remember that your soul is not bound to any daedric prince or god, Lichdom is the form of immortality that mortal created for themselves and is far more powerful than that created by a divine beign. The drawbacks are that you are a soulless rotten corpse beign kept "alive" by dark magic since your soul is in the phylactery, the mind can become corrupted by a weak mind most of the time can't even start the ritual and only strong ones should become liches, also by beign a corpse you will stench of dead and your appearance will make it impossible to live in society and if your phylactery gets destroyed you will die instantly. All the drawbacks can be countered, the mind corruption can easily be countered if you have dedication and powerful magic abilities, just look at the dragon priests, with illusion and alteration magic (not even advanced ones) you can cover your smell and your appearance while living in society, Mannimarco probably did too, that is why his body isn't rotten. The final drawback, the fact that if the philactery gets destroyed you will die, can be countered by creating the phylactery with a really hard material (dragon bones, stalhrim, etc...) and by hiding it, shouldn't be hard since Tamriel has very hidden places, for example you can create a small crypt in the depths of the Nirn and use illusion and alteration magic to perfectly hide it, you can also protect the crypt with a magic aura and by resurrecting powerful beigns as undead guards. If you want even extra protection you can create an unbreakable barrier which only you can enter freely, while for other beigns it requires them to have some sort of key that is hidden in the crypt itself, making it impossible to enter or destroy the crypt even for a daedric prince, if you want even more protection you create a pocket dimension and move the crypt there. With these methods (totally possible for a beign who has to power to become immortal) no one will be abl to destroy your phylactery, you will become invincible, you will be able to live in the society and you will gain unlimited influence, life and power.
Past the actual process of becoming a lich, I would probably just improve my state to the point of there being no penalty. Illusion magic could be used at first to simply cover your decaying body, but with enough time, you could eventually use Restoration, Alteration or some combination of the two and actually restore yourself to a more lifelike form. Healing the undead is already possible and with the immortality you would have plenty of time to completely reverse decay and eventually you would just be immortal, resistant to all magic, especially frost, very hard to harm with weapons, and generally powerful in magic terms because you would need to be in order to be a lich at all. From that point, you could first perfect your body, returning to a preferable status. Then you could study several combat styles and become a very skilled fighter to make most physical combat very easy. After that, it would be time to improve you magic abilities and knowledge to ridiculous levels and then you could go on from there and learn many other skills, anything you may eventually use. Due to the limitless time and the usefulness of magic, you would effectively be able to become the ultimate being and at that point, doing whatever you want would be completely plausible, as almost nothing short of a Daedric Prince could challenge you. And they can be beaten, so you might just have the power to control the whole of Nirn. If the process of turning into a lich is doable for you, then it would be worth it eventually.
@@UnswimmingFishYT Can't I do the same as a vampire? Lookin for ways to start a kingdom of night , learning magic and so on? Also , s*x and other pleasures of flesh are available for a vampire but aren't available for a litch , so there is that.
@@shadowstrider5033 You could, but a lich is a lot harder to fight and if you manage to restore you body enough you probably could do the more personal things, as one might say, but it would take a lot longer to make it possible. It might be less fun though if you can't perfectly preserve a proper body so... TRADEOFFS!
I saw this right after re-watching your Lich character build for Skyrim and now I'm getting mixed signals about whether to be an undead Breton or not.... 🤔
I'm not sure how good this is, but i had an idea for a Is it Worth it Video that discusses different factions. Like joining the thieves guild and talking about the pros and cons.
If you are a human that has a plan that will take longer than your life to start yes. My answer is simply yes, less weaknesses than a vampire, and stronger all around besides you can socialize however you would have to magical disguise everything. If a Lich does go through the effect of disguising themselves magical they do run the risk of being discovered by a good enough mage. It's all in the scheming and planning Besides in DND (Dungeons and dragons) they have a lich that builds death trap dungeons and makes God's out of Eldritch horrors however that only scratches the surface on him in particular.
The perspective of the young is a blessed thing indeed. On the other hand, by the time you are 50+, carousing in taverns is old hat and you've probably met enough worthy sacrafices, so...
Just gave me an idea, an elder Scrolls game that starts with you waking up in the middle of a ceremony turning the player into a lich, the room is burst into and some adventures kill everyone including you but take the item with your soul in. You wake up again, weeks later everyone dead and your first task is to hunt down your item before it becomes noticeable that you're a rotting corpse. Once you have it, you have the choice of ending the game there or adventuring trying to get back your memories all while avoiding people noticing you're dead. You can learn heal undead spells that'll stave off the smell and maybe keep passers by from noticing but if anyone gets too close or if you're not careful you'll be noticed maybe some new necromancer spells are added to keep you looking fresh or some spells to give you a glamour but ultimately it's a game of time.
surely there would be some magic to appear normal and alive? I mean in the end you could always just throw on some full body armor and if you smell bad some perfume too lol
I would become a lich. I am anti social anyway so not having to deal with the mortal annoyances is a bonus. Besides those who study the arcane arts have an eternity of knowledge to keep them busy.
If you become a lich, you could be an immortal hero to the people of tamriel. Take prisoners that are on death rom from the Imperial city along with other necromancers that are given test subjects. They're all villains that were sentenced to death, so you don't have to worry about much of a morality choice, also. You can atone for any other misdeeds you've done once you finally ARE a lich.
I think being a Lich more appeals to those with a vendetta or grudge, or who reach a point where their own fate isn't as important as undoing someone you hate's legacy forever. The Wolf Queen pretty much seems to have become a lich due to this. Hunh, did you do a video on her? If not, it'd be a good connection to this 'is it worth it' video.
They need to make a creation club about this, yes I already know that there is a mod for that but maybe they can make it a lot cooler. Add artifacts, spells, armor, weapons and even more
I think I would definitely become a lich and as for the inability to blend into society all you really need to do is be a master illusionist and just use illusion spells to make yourself look normal, plus there’s the added benefit of you be able to reconstitute yourself if your physical form is destroyed and another good thing about it is that you don’t owe your souls to any daedra, while as a vampire if you die you go straight to cold harbor and get tortured for eternity
- You get to float around and be spooky af
- You get to be best friends with other spooky bois
- Spend eternity tracking down the best calcium
- Use alchemy to make the best milk
- Every day is halloween
I like your style Spook
Hahahah
Sold
You had me on Halloween
You had me at the chance to chill with other spooky bois who worship me
yes its good to be a lich, youll have an army of draugr bringing you sweetrolls from all the dead tomb raiders
How would you enjoy the taste of the sweet rolls, when you have a decrepit tounge?
in a world filled with talking cats and flying lizards I would have to go with magic taste buds silly
Yuck😝 you would stink and have to watch you body decay it's better to be a vampire you look and smell human plus you can get laid and don't have to live like a hermit
or rip out the tongue of the recently dead trespasser and use it as your own because hell they wont be using it anymore
@@wolfshadow3789 you wouldn't have to smell. There are thing that could help mask it. And like how much do you decay? Cus if you end up as just a skeleton then you would smell like nothing maybe dust.
All I'll say is you never see a lich who regrets their new form and power. Vampirism is the power of a daedric lord, corpus is the power of a disease, but lichdom? That's the power mortals took for themselves.
Then you are not looking hard enough, most Lichs are not mentally stable and for most it becomes a curse when they realize the drawbacks of being dead, that is mentioned by Vastarie.
You meet a friendly litch in the Morrowind Bloodmoon main quest line that helps the Nerevarine, and we ofc help the litch so he can rest easy for once. Not all Litches want the power
This comment is underrated.
@@Tx-qk3zj
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't undeath forced upon that one?
Or am I mixing characters up again?
I ask cause it sucks being old.
Better off a Vampire than a lap dog of The Ideal Masters.
Please continue the " *Skyrim What If's* " and " *Is it worth it* ?" Series.
Is being *ugly af for eternity* worth it?
Like & Subscribe
Is hoarding cheese worth it?
unsub me yes
We need Sload, Sea Elf, Dreugh, Imga, Akavir races and of course Mudcrab videos!
@@drippinwet774If ur a woman, no.
If ur a man, YES.
Imo Lichdom is worth it if you decided to learn the ways of illusion magic. Both hiding the phyalctery and hiding the decaying state of ones being should be rather easy that way.
I totally agree with you, Znax. Ya gotta be smart about it. I'm going to use the Undeath mod when I replay Skyrim. Might even write a small story about my character.
Thats small thinking, use alteration to physically change your self and then hide your philactery under the earth or on one of the moons
@@Esperkin272
The only thing I didn't like about undeath is how accessible the phylactery is.
President of the Secrete Sankcake Server
Or better yet make the phylactery out of an extremely tough, if not indestructible, material. Then enchant said phylactery to be even tougher. And THEN, after transferring your soul into it, hide it.
In addition, do a Voldemort by splitting your soul into multiple pieces and place them into more phylactery’s. Then use the same precautions as above. But with the additional precaution of hiding them as far away from each other as possible.
If Jagar Tharn could trick the Empire for all that time, why not any old lich? My guess is lichdom makes you cray-cray.
Curious how if you talk to that elf in Skingrad, you see your character knows the exact punishment for necrophilia in Cyrodiil. And people wonder why they're in prison at the beginning of the game.
OMG! :D
Lol!
Zantheros That sneaky ole Todd Howard
But that's juuuuuust a theeeerreeee
Ohhhhh...... Ohhhhhhhhhh crrrraaapp
They need to make this an option in Elder Scrolls 6
It will be in-game, but you have to grind for 800hrs or win it in a loot box...
It better not be like that
They just need to add it to the creation club
And improve Vampire form and more werecreature to turn into oh and Deadra cult battles can you imagine being a lich and fighting Meridia cult and Aurorans that be great
Archus orez they should add vampire clans and more were creature formations ( Werebear, Wearboar and werelion )
>Amass wealth.
>Purchase diamond worth 50gp/Hitdice.
>Make almost unbreakable diamond phylactery.
>Disguise diamond phylactery as a rock.
>Inconspicuously hide rock.
>Invest time into illusion and restoration magic.
>Disguise self to blend into mortal world.
>Need to feed the phylactery? Hunt bandits and outlaws.
>Spend peaceful days reading and playing with magic.
Once you're a Lich, you got all the time in the world to make it work for you. And because your soul is not attached to your body you are effectivly immune to being soul trapped. No one said Liches have to be evil.
No, you don't need to be evil but you kinda lose your touch with your humanity as time goes by. At first I have no doubt you would restrain yourself to bandits and such but, sooner or later, atrocity after atrocity will make you care less until you start to see other humans as cattle or lesser beings such as you see mosquitoes now. Even if you don't go deliberately killing, you would have no problems in killing that poor milkmaid walking near your cave just because you needed materials for your new experimental purple magelight spell which will make your altar a hundred times more comfortable for reading.
@@KainMLK So you assert the position that you either die good or you live long enough to transform into a villain? I don't see it that way. Morality is just as reactionary as it is foundational, a good character doesn't slowly turn into a bad one just because time passes and if you're falling my above mentioned process than you would be building a positive reputation in a populated location, increasing the good interactions while minimizing the bad ones. And even if said Lich begins to adopt apathy and see humans as cattle that doesn't mean that the Lich must remain that way. Don't discount the character of who the Lich was before becoming undead just because you yourself haven't seen a working example of undead that isn't evil. Also I said nothing of caves or alters.
@@T3nch1 oh no, but I see the reason of the misunderstanding here. It's not that he would slowly degenerate into an evil being because he lived long enough. The degeneration I meant would occur due to the lich's constant murderous acts. You see, let's compare him to a paladin who is immortal because of some kind of bless and let's assume he is inherently righteous. He will kill many people, that's a fact we can't go against, but all the lives he will take are justified before his own judgement. Now let's go back to the lich. He will kill other human beings to sustain his life. It's not because of justice, it's not to protect someone else, it's not on self defence. He will be murdering to sustain his own life. Someone who is inherently righteous wouldn't do that knowing he would be either obliterating or sending his victim's soul to the Soul Cairn, denying said victim his afterlife. By this point we can already assume the lich to be at least a neutral character. Now during centuries and centuries he will keep killing bandits and other n'er-do-wells for the sake of his own existence, without anything else to justify it. Do you see where I'm getting at here?
@@T3nch1 by the way, the cave and altar were just to exemplify with a stereotype a frivolous reason which would lead a very old and detached lich to claim a life without thinking twice.
@@KainMLK I see the points you are making but I just don't agree with it because it completely divorces the concepts of choice and accountability. If a paladin can kill all he wants because they are justified in his own mind then how is that suppose to compare to a Lich who would be killing as a source of maintaining its own life? If we are to make that connection than inherently it makes the paladin less human as they have already abdicated choice and personal accountability for their own killing because a higher being already told them too where as a Lich, juxtaposed against the popular fantasy narrative of evil necromancy would be making the choice to only predate on criminals of the beings own morality and rational thought. In this example as presented the paladin is "doing good" not because they want to but because they accept that they are told to where is the Lich "does good" because they choose to.
Please correct me if I am not understand your point the way you are presenting it but I don't see the act of becoming a Lich is inherently evil or will lead to a character turning malevolent. Nor do I see this link that would morally corrupt the Lich that I'm seeing you imply.
I recently downloaded the undeath mod for skyrim and after playing around I learned something really important...
Necromancy is the magic of friendship, see a fire and ice mage fighting? kill them and make them friends, see a bear have a disagreement with a hunter? same thing, when it comes to being undead everybody is friends.
You know your not lying 😂😂😂😂 this comment is great
Draugr Deathlord to mortals: Aw shit, it's the shouty skeleton zombie. This is gonna be a pain in the ass...
Deathlord to Liches: Well hello there fellow undead, I'ma need you to just... *casts Command Undead* Alright moving on
You don't even have to kill them yourself :V
If it's dead, it's friend to a Lich
funny thing is, if you go Path of the Lich in Pathfinder, that's pretty much how you act later in the game
Necromancy: The power of Friendship.
Ainz Ooal Gown would be proud 💀👍
Pretty sure Mannimarco is actually just using his own magic take on the form of a mortal. Probably a combination of alteration and illusion magic
Also do not forget there is methods to stave off decay.
@@TwiliDarkRituals Bottle of cocoa butter every day?
Mannimarco was part of the Psijic Order. He most likely time-stopped his body from decaying during the Lich transformation. I mean, if Earil, a Demented in Crucible can do it, i'm fairly certain a former Psijic student can do it.
I thought his soul body hopped between diffrent shells. Wasn't he wearing Galarions defiled corpse at one point?
this is what I thought was the case with divayth fyr and mistress dratha. Theyre both stated as being thousands of years old and sustaining themselves with necromantic arts. I always just assumed that Dratha at least was a lich and was just concealing her true identity. I guess its difficult to tell the difference between a powerful wizard and a lich, since they both live for so long and hoard artefacts + have had centuries to build up massive political power and resources. When the lore says "wizards extend their lifespan if theyre powerful enough" do you think that means through powerful restoration magic, or through enchantments that slow down ageing, or through transforming into undead? I always just figured it was undead. And that they had figured out how to conceal it.
Would be interesting to see if the other telvanni wizard lords survived the red year and the wars + the events of morrowing. We know neloth's death in morrowind wasn't canon for example... I hope therana, dratha and fyr lived at least
Ah yess... Liches. Those guys who are supposed to be challenging only to bug out and forget how to attack
A priest of Arkay disliked this video......
Meridia was insulted by the very idea
Arkay himself disliked this video 😂
arkay and meridia are fools who dont understand how exalted us necromancers are.
They are multiplying
@@DragonGunzDorian They are just pricks that hates everyone that defies their sphere.
Absolutely worth it!
if a Lich want to look living they have a lot of different methods to do so, such as Alteration Magic, Illusion magic, Flesh magic, conjuration magic,possession...lots of different options, and you got eternity to hone and perfect them as a true master of magic, just look at some of the Liches like Mannimarco and Vastarie.
Or perhaps also take the time to go through dwemer ruins when getting killed is only inconvenient and reverse engineer their tech, and then create some sort of robotic armor for yourself and some robotic minions.
@@krimverse5903 Yeah then create an ultimate dwemer robotic body then possess it! having total control over your spirit is one of Lichdom's advantages as well!
@@xaxeth And don't forget about accidentally creating a new religion around the machine god.
Xaxeth Well said Lord Ainz
@@krimverse5903 and call it the cult mechanicus
TES 6 should be a necromancer guild and at the end you can become a lich 😂
James Sutton I would love if you could steer the different guilds be more evil, good, or morally gray. Like allowing or banning necromancy from the mages guild for example.
@@NobleMonster so we can ban necromancy, but do it behind their backs and plot their downfall!
Yas :)
I forgot this series went beyond the playable races. Delightful
Playable with the Undead Mod
Being a lich is all about power and knowledge. For the mage that intends to become a lich, worldly pleasures mean nothing anyway, all that matters is the constant pursuit of knowledge and power. Mages that become liches are like the psychopaths/sociopaths of the magic world and could care less about what others think about them. So for someone who's primary ambition is to constantly increase their knowledge in all things, and to increase their power, then being a lich is worth it. Once a mage becomes a lich all mortal needs are no more and any form of emotion, physical desire and empathy they have fade away over time.
My problem with the "liches" in Elder Scrolls, is that they all seem like they have little intelligence left and attack you just on instinct. I'd much rather have my player run into a lich and have a conversation where depending on your answers decides what the lich does to you instead of attacking you outright. Seriously, if your character has made it all the way through the dungeon and into the lich's lair, the lich will want to know how you made it and why you are there to begin with and may try to recruit you to its service, with the promise of a powerful artifact or spell.
That being said, in the Elder Scrolls, no a lich is not worth it, because they all seem like powerful but brainless zombies to me, not the powerful, yet intelligent undead being they are supposed to be. It's as if their intelligence and sentience has rotted away along with their flesh and all they know is that someone is in their lair and must die for disturbing them.
remember that all the lich's you find in skyrim as dragon cultist that are loyal to the dragons that your are fighting and slaying
In ESO the liches you find are like that, kind of. But mostly they're just enemies but the ones that do talk to you are powerful liches.
Even in the D&D lore liches once they become too old they start becoming braindead very powerful zombies that attack everything on sight... some of them stop feeding souls to their phylactery and their body decays as they become flying skulls ... the monster manual refers to them as "demi-lich" but it is a mistake that was made in 5e... the demilich is actually an ascended lich who has performed a ritual to unbind himself from the mortal plane and be able to project himself to the atral planes... but all liches once they have just lived too long at some point will just stop feeding souls to their phylactery and just rest/sleep until someone disturb their lair.
@@sionsion1991 right? Funny he put liches in quotations because to him it's not a real liches if it isn't completely sane
@@SadFemboy Ye I mean liches may be completly sane... you may also meet the famous bro-lich that i once met in a dnd campaign... a lich that didn't have interactions with anyone for centuries and felt so lonely that is a bro to the party and tryes to help... you may meet the sleeping extreamly old lich that just because you get close to his tomb you take 80d20 necrotic damage if you alignment is a good one.
Also I don't know but the liches we meet in skyrim don't seem to be liches to me. They have no phylactery we know of and they don't respawn... once you kill them they seem to be gone for good.
My theory is that manimarco used illusion to look normal like the Dragonborn does w the undeath mod
Very plausible
I heard instead of a undead lich he's a living one thus not only more powerful but also kept his good looks
This one hears he sacrificed the Vestige to Molag Bal.
Agreed, Mannimarco is very much still alive (or, undead I mean)
Would definitely become a Lich... I mean you could stash your phalactory in a place it would never be found.... maybe if you were powerful enough even a pocket dimension of oblivion. From there spend ages gaining knowlegde and power, bide your time until the mortals are in a state of choas, create a huge undead army, swoop in and usurp the empire. From there just keep raising undead, make some daedric pacts perhaps and just rule forever.
@fish I mean magic can cure that
With enough knowledge and power you may be able to don the guise of a mortal. And maybe even truly look and feel mortal with an immortal soul and body.
Alteration says hello
With enough knowledge and power you can gain a long enough lifespan to make lichdom not worth it anyway.
Skyrim: Is being an Adoring Fan WORTH IT?
No.
This
Yes. You are truly immortal.
Personally I think some elves could find being a lich worth it. the Altmer for example view mortality as a curse so from their perspective I could see how becoming a lich could be like breaking free of a curse
why don't they get vampirism or corpus then if they hate dying?
@@hypermaeonyx4969 When Vampires die, they belong to Molag Bal. *You don't want that.*
@@Delightfully_Witchy I would rather be a lich studying in any type of magic than be in molag bal's clutches.
@@Delightfully_Witchy unless your Vivic than you just out kink him and make Molag bal the bottom and if he complainsjust tear off his spear.
@@hypermaeonyx4969 Those are diseases... Able to be cured but disgusting to people who are known for their class.
Well if I had the option of being the type of Lich that the Undeath mod offers, then yes, it would be worth it. I could blend it and go Lich at will.
How about making a "Is It Worthy" series about being aligned with each one of the known daedric princes? This would include being merely a cultist to becoming his/her champion.
And about being a Lich... If I were to go on this path I would go a step further and would try to separate my own mind from my body, "possessing" my followers and borrowing their bodies while my decaying carcass would remain safely hidden furthering my studies. Maybe through an artifact I would be able to keep control regardless of the distance.
Technically he did: "The Ultimate Guide to Daedra Worship"
My fav character is a Lich Necromancer using Ordinator, the undeath mod and a mod that let's me collect bodies. Essentially going around harvesting the bodies of skyrims most powerful inhabitants. Total opposite of my typical favorite archetype a Paladin. Awesome video
Same
Lich's are one of my favourite creatures,not just from The Elder Scrolls but all fantasy.
There is a mod for skyrim where you can become a lich king with a Transformation like a werewolf/vampire lord. You also get a own tree for this form
Last time I was this early... wait I've been this early everyday since u started your streak
Peter Smittens last time U were this early was when u had sex last minute 1 min man
Have you seen overlord?
Being a lich is awesome
And badass as fuck on top of that
Oh no he is not just a lich...AINZ sama is an ELDER Lich!
Seriously
@@azuraquinlilax1245 he's not an elder lich either, he is an overlord which is one of the highest title for a undead in yggdrasil.
@@azuraquinlilax1245 elder liches serve Ain. One of em is killed by the lizardmen tribe.
A lich video? could this mean a Lich Legacy build soon..?
Is it worth going to bed at a good time? Only the powers of a Litch will provide the answers. It’s bed time guys
I see that pfp
Praise the sun \[T]/
Hope you slept well
@@Derpis03 DID SOMEONE CALL FOR A WARRIOR OF SUN BUHAHA
@@spedokeledo9883 YES INDEED GOOD SIR
It is worth it if you get the Lich mod where you find bits of skeleton on dead bodies and when you get enough to put together a permanent skeletal warrior...up to like 12 I think.
Psssst, could you do "Skyrim: Is being a Naga WORTH IT? - Elder Scrolls Lore". Pretty please.
Are you talking about the Argonian subspecies called Naga or are you do you mean the Lamia?
@@romulus9263 the Subspecies. Although Lamia would be fun too, but I don't think there's enough lore about them to make a worthwhile video.
Is being a nigga worth it
I thought you were trying to say the other word but spelled it wrong lol
Is being a *nymphomaniac slime monster* worth it?
Like & Subscribe
I like to think perhaps Mannimarco actually looks grotesque yet his illusions are so powerful that he simply appears to look mortal.
You should also do a video on the non playable races, seeing if they’re worth it or not. Races like Goblins, Trolls, Ogres, Falmer/Snow Elves, Dwemer/Dwarves, etc. And maybe even the races of Akaviir too.
As a human I would probably go the vampire route and take my time to figure out a way to become truly immortal from there.
Going to resort to Lichdom to finish these FudgeMuppet video's that keep coming in. And hopefully, TES VI
A Lich could use powerful illusion magic to blend in with society.
"100 years longer by adopting a shorter walking stride"
I'm sorry I'm gonna need lore on THAT
Edit: it has been 2 years and I still need a Phynaster lore analysis
"Lichdom is a fool's bargain"
*Dagri'lon approves this video*
How to become a Goodguy Lich:
-Use the souls of pedophiles, murderers, and other malcontents
-Erect an army of law-keeping undead
-Destroy the forces that threaten freedom
-Change everyone’s views on lichdom, not only in respects to the good one is capable of, but how to relatively ethically become one, and what it means to be one
I'd take being a lich, and just make myself a flesh mask or use illusion magic
Steal somebody's face and impersonate them to have some fun!
@@soldierinsane2689 i like how you think
Ok frank.
@@soldierinsane2689 Hmmmm....that sounds like something a Synth would say...
What happens when you get laid? your partner will eventually notice your manhood rotted away if your a dude, and if your a lady you'll feel very boney. Or when you are in a tavern getting "drunk" everyone may eventually notice you can't get drunk, If you are a Redguard or Bosmer you can get away with this, alcohol behaves like poison which they are resistant to, But what if being viewed as one of the two is not your cup of tea. It'd be preferabe to live in a town of idiots to make your masquerade easier.
Hircine's hunting grounds is the best choice for an afterlife in my opinion, it's a rewarding afterlife, like Sovngarde, but you can actually experience some action. Also you've already established being a lycanthrope is worth it so...
According to Celedaen, destroying the phylactery after spirit transference will not weaken or kill the lich, so protecting your phylactery isn't intrinsically important.
Just something worth noting; the importance of the phylactery is quite temporary.
So... That's one con mostly removed.
What I would attempt, if in such a situation, would be to bind my soul to a network of black soul gems. I would carefully modify each so that they'd house my soul instead of trap it, and then I would build secret caches around Tamriel. Within these caches I would place many powerful wards, so that none may enter or likely even find them. The caches would contain magicly constructed golems, primarily made of Dwarven metal so that they do not rust. In the heart of the golems, heavily protected and reinforced, would be one black soul gem each. While setting these caches up, I would craft a large soul trap container and enchant hundreds of cheap amulets with a minor benefit in addition to a specialised soul trap spell that would drag the soul into my container upon the wearers death. I would sell these amulets for 75% the market price, spreading them far and wide across the continent. Then, if ever I die, my soul would be transferred to one of my golem bodies, the souls trapped within my container flooding my new body, powering it up and enchanting it with superhuman strength and dexterity. Then, I would go on my way. I would wear a hood, and if anyone asked I'd say I was one of the last creations of the Dwarves, and woke up alone just recently. I'd hopefully find a place that would accept me, perhaps with the mages guild or something, and then I would set about studying dwarven constructs further so I could enhance my bodies with modifications. Then, if ever my body and soul gem are destroyed, I would be spirited away to a new body far away from my attackers. That, would be my form of lichdom.
You need a girlfriend
Necropost (fitting, for this video) but what this dude needs is to have his idea made into a D&D Lich
I'm not gonna because I don't play it, but still :T
In the Elsweyr chapter of ESO there's a good lich, a former psijic azura cultist who opposes Mannimarco and uses necromancy to talk to the dead.
That is the kind of litch I want to be
It better be, I just finished replenishing the souls in my phylactery. It's not a simplistic task!
I'd like to point out: Mannimarco is called the first of the UNDYING liches. Implying that he wasn't the first lich, but the first of a type of lich, possibly the kind that is truly impossible to kill for good.
EDIT: Also, for Elder Scrolls liches, the Phylactery is only important during the transformation. Once it's done, the phylactery can be discarded. It's a temporary container.
Eh, it all depends on how you use it. You could bore yourself to tears hanging out in some cave, you you could master the illusion magics necessary to appear normal to mortals, which is most likely exactly what Mannimarco did. This is also how it works for the player in the Undeath mod. However, even if you can't do that, you can still always pull an Ainz Ooal Gown and attempt to take over Tamriel to cement your eternal rule after you have become sufficiently powerful. That's what I did in my Lich playthrough in Skyrim. I chose to side with Ulfric with the full intent of ultimately betraying him, using the war to acquire loyal followers while also secretly expanding my army of the undead using the casualties of war. After driving out the Empire, I came out of nowhere, challenged Ulfric in the old Nord way, usurped his crown, and enthralled both him and Tullius. My legions of the undead that the Stormcloaks had been accepting as a necessary evil turned their blades to my former "comrades," while power was promised to those who swore fealty to me. Any resistance would be crushed by the unstoppable might of my magical powers. To make matters worse for the people of Tamriel, turns out I'm a Dragonborn on top of it all, and so the dragons were hunted down and slaughtered like animals, including Alduin, all to fuel my ever growing power. Now, armed with the power of dragons, the forbidden knowledge of Hermaeous Mora and the secret to bend mortals to my will as Miiraak did, the full support of the Volkihar now that I've granted them freedom from their madman ruler and from the tyranny of the sun, the assistance of the Dark Brotherhood that I saved from extinction, the Thieves Guild who profit immensely from my rule, the College of Winterhold that I was put in direct control of, the people of Skyrim who I now rule through fear as their rightful High King for eternity, and the full armies of the Stormcloaks and Empire in undead form, I now stand poised to take over the entire world. As the armies of both sides fall, I can simply add them to my ranks of the undead, further multiplying my army, and growing my power. If the situation requires it, I can personally lead the assault to launch magical nuke after nuke until my enemies submit to my will, with absolutely no risk to myself, for I cannot die. Once I'm done conquering Tamriel, I shall turn my gaze to Akavir, and to all other corners of Nirn until I've taken over the entire world. I do not care how many hundreds or thousands or millions or billions of people try to stop me. Ultimately, once a new Shezzarine inevitably rises up to challenge me, I shall trap their soul into a new Mantella, and use it to ascend to divinity, as Mannimarco once did, spitting in the face of the Divines, the Daedra, and Lorkhan all. It is the ultimate victory over the Aurubis itself that I seek.
All for the low, low price of my humanity.
(Lol, it sure is a good thing the next Elder Scrolls games all take place in similar yet different timelines from your actual playthrough, because Tamriel in the timeline I made with that playthrough is totally fucked! It's a shame that character can never come back to be a supervillain for my future characters to defeat xD)
All depends on your endgame. Revenge, world domination, become a god, then yes it is worth it.
Been going through a skyrim phase again and once again I come back to your vids. Love the content my guys. I feel like the only way you can become an accepted lich and not be seen as a complete monster is if your sacrifices are of evil people. For instance, if a court wizard decided to become a lich by using dark brotherhood members or similar "evil" people. Even then he'd be monstrous for doing the procedure, but he'd serve the city for all of time. Or even serve the High King as a all time advisor
As a lich you could study illusion magic and use that to make you appear alive as any creature or even use alteration magic I think most liches just don't care to mengal with people
Thank you Scott and Mike, im a giant dork for lore, so im always pumped when i see a new FudgeMuppet video
I had once made an Imperial Lich character named Zagreus who chose to become a Lich because he wanted to live long enough and amass enough power so that he can use his immense power and knowledge to ensure that the races of man had a future, combatting against anything and anyone that would wish to either destroy the world or subjugate mortalkind to their will, whether it be Daedric Prince, dragon, or Thalmor inquisitors. All in all, he wanted to protect the world and its people, even if he must sacrifice his humanity and even a portion of his morality to do so.
Zagreus chose to be a Lich instead of a vampire because he knew that if he was killed in the midst of battle or assassinated, then his body would reconstitute and he would be able to try again. But as a vampire, not only would he have more debilitating weaknesses, but Zagreus loathed the idea of giving up his soul to an otherworldly force that he didn't trust and only saw mortalkind as playthings. It was his soul, he would decide what to do with it.
So fire.
How the hell does a shorter stride help you live longer? o.O
you're spending more energy taking more steps to move the same distance...
Elfs are weird.
Right?
Elves*
I feel like that is a real world ref for something I can place my finger on it
Magic
@@mysigt_ idk I'm kinda liking elfs
“Being a decent person, IS IT WORTH IT?”
T.A.D .K.D nope
No
No be a hybrid well a tribrid I just got this mod and hybrid mod as vamp and werewolves
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you see Minimarco becoming a Litch in the beginning of the Elder Scrolls Online main story quest; he does this by forcing as many captives as possible onto an alter and carving their souls out, leaving you a Soul Shriven.
if I was a lich I'd try to take over the soul cairn and run it as an undying monarch with the soultrapped souls being the citizens. Beating the ideal masters would be quite a challenge though, I'd imagine.
- You get to continually grow more powerful
- You get to shape history in the Elder Scrolls universe
- You can actually spend eternity (assumingly) as a hero or villian.
- Very likely you won't fall victim to a Daedric prince or something, as you will need little.
- Big world crisis stuff will be less "bad" for you overall.
- You'll likely become a legend in the lore somehow.
Seems worth it to me. The afterlife is too random for anyone but the average citizen. You can get your soul stolen, accidently associate with Daedra, become a Werewolf, a Vampire, etc. So many ways to screw your afterlife, and then you'll live eternally in a realm of a Daedra or worst. Better to spend eternity getting powerful to buy time to figure things out.
Its 3:32 am but hey... wth am I supposed to do? Sleep?😂
Never when i see a fudgemuppet vid
Savy vampirehunter : *shoots crossbow hits vampire in the eye*
Vampire : What was that?
I've always wondered about this question, glad to see a video for it
Undead dragonborn that lives forever just to raise a family many times
Do Druids next.
"All dogs and wolves now love you, and you can turn into different animals. But SHOULD you? ',:| "
It would be worth it to me as long as you have necromantic followers who wanted to know more and seek you out. In exchange, they could pass onto you the knowledge of the outside world through books or pamphlets or word-of-mouth. You would be a sort of eternal, unorthodox grandmaster of magic and the dark arts. Personally, I find myself very reclusive and disengaged from society anyway, so I don't see it as a huge loss so long as I can get my highlights here and there and just continue my pursuit of unraveling magical mysteries and teach students. It'd be more like being a Sith Lord.
Well Skyrim already has a necromancer follower, it's Serana
First thought for a good artifact to use for the ritual: Meridia's Beacon and/or Dawnbreaker as they are literally the relics of the antithesis of undeath.
Lets not forget that artifacts and items that absorb health has a tendency to turn a person into an undead over time. The vampirirc rings owner in morrowind turned into a skeleton.. in red Mountain there is a skeleton brandishing a shield that absorbs health.. the necromancers amulet extends life as well.. extended knowledge in mysticism also extends life considerably..
The only thing I could possibly think of to do as a Lich would be to make your own kingdom either by raising it from scratch or simply stealing it from another. As a Lich your magical abilities are paramount and far greater than that of most if given proper time to learn, thus it would be easy to take over given that alone. The only thing a Lich would need is to be able to please and sway the people which again, can be done magically. At the end of the day, if the people are happy who would care what their ruler looks like?
I've never understood the longing for life extension in a world where an afterlife that's preferable to the living world is an undeniable fact. If I were a Nord, the first thing I'd do after learning to walk is pick a fight with a giant and go to Sovengard.
Basically lore based Dark Sigil Hollowing but only benefits and no insanity... probably.
It could be argued that most of the supposed Liches aren't actually Liches. The dragon priests are more or less mummies locked away and needing to be preserved. Mannimarko sounds like more of a leech than a lich considering he seems to absorb and maintain his power not by sucking on souls but by absorbing power from artifacts perhaps that's why he looks normal. The Ancient elves could definitely be Liches as well as those cursed to be intelligent undead. The Underking is a good example of an elder scrolls Lich.
I'd just utilize powerful illusion spells to mask my undead nature
Revisiting Skyrim through Skyrim VR at the moment. My current main is a High Elf who I envision as a Lich. First he did the Mage's college questline to obtain more power. He began taking an interest in communing with Daedra and conjuration, and eventually became Archmage of the college. Then, hungry for even more power, he sought to conquer death by embracing Vamprism and completing the Dawnguard questline. I think next on the list is Dragonborn content where he can make further deals with Daedra and learn more summoning spells. I am enjoying playing a more behind-the-scenes puppet master role, manipulating people to murder one another or summoning small armies to defeat my enemies. I know games like Skyrim are more typically associated with the hands-on adventurer archetype but this play style also feels very contextual as I find myself at the center of major events, often pulling strings to fit my agenda. It would be awesome to see one day some sort of technology that allowed for future TES games to adapt previous save files from other titles; for example in a future game I might encounter my Lich character in a dungeon and have to defeat him.
>you will be lonely
>society will shun you
>only other loners will be your friends
So nothing changes then
Misconceptions of a Lich:
- You have to forgo humanity - actually you don't. Whatever you were in life will remain with you even as a Lich, you'll just see yourself above everything else.
- All Liches are Evil - no, it's only because it is considered evil that makes them evil to everyone and everything else. Much like Vampires and Werewolves, not all are evil.
- Power for the sake of more power - really it is Immortality, but for most it is the desire to achieve more. More knowledge, discoveries, unlocking mysteries, and making yourself more of a legend.
Yes, you will look like a corpse, literally forever.
Yes, you'll be regarded as a monster (but not much different from a vampire or werewolf, they too are monsters).
The biggest possible drawback of being a Lich:
Your phylactery is the only thing keeping you from literal oblivion, not the plane/domain of the deadric realm, but I mean soul death.
If that is destroyed, so too is your very soul. Even Vampires and Werewolves can look forward to an afterlife, but Lich will NEVER see that afterlife.
They will simply cease to exist.
Vampirism and Lycanthropy are just curses, once you die as either, you go to the plane of Oblivion, but you can still be cured of either and possibly redeem yourself.
Once you become a Lich, there is no going back. Besides to become a Lich requires you to die and bring yourself back. So in that sense, you are already dead.
Once you die, really die, it is permanent. Not even a Daedric Prince can bring you back, you are THAT dead.
So it really depends on whether you're willing to take that kind of gamble and if it fits your goals.
If you want a chance to be with an Aedra or Daedra, then Lichdom really isn't for you.
Kewl.
On one hand, eternal life. On the other, your dong will fall off. Eternity without my dong does not seem appealing.
Unless...
DWEMER PNEUMATIC TECHNOLOGY
The way I see it, Mannimarco achieved lichdom using techniques opposite of others.
Every other person (in the lore) achieved lichdom through hasty methods. In one ritual, they (essentially) use an alterted soul trap method on themselves, making themselves simply undead.
Mannimarco didn't do this.
He slowly and methodically achieved lichdom by altering his living body, piece by piece over a long period of time, essentially killing his mortal body but simultaneously putting it in a (sort of) suspended state.
Basically, he achieved a pure form of lichdom. He is immortal but not living.
A sort of demi-god, impervious to normal methods of killing and immune to decay.
That's probably why he has the title of, "the first lich" as what he achieved is actually what Necromancers aspire to become. He is a "proper" or "true" lich.
The common lich you encounter is an imperfect, botched version of the desired outcome.
That said, it is also worth noting that this is Mannimarco from one timeline.
There are apparently three versions of him in the Elder Scrolls universe from three different timelines (due to the dragonbreak);
One where he achieved, his lichdom,
another where he was defeated and killed and finally, one where he went above and beyond lichdom and became a god.
You could make a couple deals with the dadric prince of knowledge and literally just ask him how the king of worms did it or ask how to do it better
If you have a cult, you could use them to recruit members who may revere your newfound power to then seize power over your area by using the army you recruited and immense power you gained.
For me beign a Lich is super worth it, a lot more than beign a vampire or a werewolf.
You have immortality, incredible magic powers, you can resurrect, you can literally become a walking god because of how powerful you can become and you have to remember that your soul is not bound to any daedric prince or god, Lichdom is the form of immortality that mortal created for themselves and is far more powerful than that created by a divine beign.
The drawbacks are that you are a soulless rotten corpse beign kept "alive" by dark magic since your soul is in the phylactery, the mind can become corrupted by a weak mind most of the time can't even start the ritual and only strong ones should become liches, also by beign a corpse you will stench of dead and your appearance will make it impossible to live in society and if your phylactery gets destroyed you will die instantly.
All the drawbacks can be countered, the mind corruption can easily be countered if you have dedication and powerful magic abilities, just look at the dragon priests, with illusion and alteration magic (not even advanced ones) you can cover your smell and your appearance while living in society, Mannimarco probably did too, that is why his body isn't rotten.
The final drawback, the fact that if the philactery gets destroyed you will die, can be countered by creating the phylactery with a really hard material (dragon bones, stalhrim, etc...) and by hiding it, shouldn't be hard since Tamriel has very hidden places, for example you can create a small crypt in the depths of the Nirn and use illusion and alteration magic to perfectly hide it, you can also protect the crypt with a magic aura and by resurrecting powerful beigns as undead guards.
If you want even extra protection you can create an unbreakable barrier which only you can enter freely, while for other beigns it requires them to have some sort of key that is hidden in the crypt itself, making it impossible to enter or destroy the crypt even for a daedric prince, if you want even more protection you create a pocket dimension and move the crypt there.
With these methods (totally possible for a beign who has to power to become immortal) no one will be abl to destroy your phylactery, you will become invincible, you will be able to live in the society and you will gain unlimited influence, life and power.
Mannimarco: I’m throwing away my humanity Galerion!
hes an elf tho 🧝♂️
Past the actual process of becoming a lich, I would probably just improve my state to the point of there being no penalty. Illusion magic could be used at first to simply cover your decaying body, but with enough time, you could eventually use Restoration, Alteration or some combination of the two and actually restore yourself to a more lifelike form. Healing the undead is already possible and with the immortality you would have plenty of time to completely reverse decay and eventually you would just be immortal, resistant to all magic, especially frost, very hard to harm with weapons, and generally powerful in magic terms because you would need to be in order to be a lich at all. From that point, you could first perfect your body, returning to a preferable status. Then you could study several combat styles and become a very skilled fighter to make most physical combat very easy. After that, it would be time to improve you magic abilities and knowledge to ridiculous levels and then you could go on from there and learn many other skills, anything you may eventually use. Due to the limitless time and the usefulness of magic, you would effectively be able to become the ultimate being and at that point, doing whatever you want would be completely plausible, as almost nothing short of a Daedric Prince could challenge you. And they can be beaten, so you might just have the power to control the whole of Nirn. If the process of turning into a lich is doable for you, then it would be worth it eventually.
Too much work.
@@shadowstrider5033 But that means you have something to do for the next few thousand years.
@@UnswimmingFishYT
Can't I do the same as a vampire? Lookin for ways to start a kingdom of night , learning magic and so on? Also , s*x and other pleasures of flesh are available for a vampire but aren't available for a litch , so there is that.
@@shadowstrider5033 You could, but a lich is a lot harder to fight and if you manage to restore you body enough you probably could do the more personal things, as one might say, but it would take a lot longer to make it possible. It might be less fun though if you can't perfectly preserve a proper body so... TRADEOFFS!
@@UnswimmingFishYT
Meh , I'll take the lazy route. A vampire can simply become more powerful by doing nothing.
I would only become a lich if I could retain my mortal appearance and did not have to do anything immoral. Maybe a vampire lich?
Become lich: yes, to have eternal time to achieve CHIM and then un-lich myself but also become a straight up god
I saw this right after re-watching your Lich character build for Skyrim and now I'm getting mixed signals about whether to be an undead Breton or not.... 🤔
I'm not sure how good this is, but i had an idea for a Is it Worth it Video that discusses different factions. Like joining the thieves guild and talking about the pros and cons.
If you are a human that has a plan that will take longer than your life to start yes.
My answer is simply yes, less weaknesses than a vampire, and stronger all around besides you can socialize however you would have to magical disguise everything. If a Lich does go through the effect of disguising themselves magical they do run the risk of being discovered by a good enough mage. It's all in the scheming and planning
Besides in DND (Dungeons and dragons) they have a lich that builds death trap dungeons and makes God's out of Eldritch horrors however that only scratches the surface on him in particular.
The perspective of the young is a blessed thing indeed. On the other hand, by the time you are 50+, carousing in taverns is old hat and you've probably met enough worthy sacrafices, so...
Just gave me an idea, an elder Scrolls game that starts with you waking up in the middle of a ceremony turning the player into a lich, the room is burst into and some adventures kill everyone including you but take the item with your soul in. You wake up again, weeks later everyone dead and your first task is to hunt down your item before it becomes noticeable that you're a rotting corpse. Once you have it, you have the choice of ending the game there or adventuring trying to get back your memories all while avoiding people noticing you're dead. You can learn heal undead spells that'll stave off the smell and maybe keep passers by from noticing but if anyone gets too close or if you're not careful you'll be noticed maybe some new necromancer spells are added to keep you looking fresh or some spells to give you a glamour but ultimately it's a game of time.
surely there would be some magic to appear normal and alive? I mean in the end you could always just throw on some full body armor and if you smell bad some perfume too lol
I would become a lich.
I am anti social anyway so not having to deal with the mortal annoyances is a bonus.
Besides those who study the arcane arts have an eternity of knowledge to keep them busy.
If Mannimarco is the first Lich is it not possible hes older than the Dragon Cult?
He’s the first necromantic lich. Dragon priests gained their lichdom differently
If you become a lich, you could be an immortal hero to the people of tamriel. Take prisoners that are on death rom from the Imperial city along with other necromancers that are given test subjects. They're all villains that were sentenced to death, so you don't have to worry about much of a morality choice, also. You can atone for any other misdeeds you've done once you finally ARE a lich.
I have a theory that Molag Bal is the true first lich
Unless I look as in piece as mannimarco get that crap away from me. I'll stick to being a vampire with high regen and fire resistance enchantments.
I think being a Lich more appeals to those with a vendetta or grudge, or who reach a point where their own fate isn't as important as undoing someone you hate's legacy forever. The Wolf Queen pretty much seems to have become a lich due to this.
Hunh, did you do a video on her? If not, it'd be a good connection to this 'is it worth it' video.
They need to make a creation club about this, yes I already know that there is a mod for that but maybe they can make it a lot cooler. Add artifacts, spells, armor, weapons and even more
There's also naemon or Shade of Naemon, who was the prince of the aldemeri dominion, he was ressurected by the staff of magnus.
Illusion magick if you are powerful enough, to hide your papearance to others, and to make you capable of enjoying taste and pleasure.
I think I would definitely become a lich and as for the inability to blend into society all you really need to do is be a master illusionist and just use illusion spells to make yourself look normal, plus there’s the added benefit of you be able to reconstitute yourself if your physical form is destroyed and another good thing about it is that you don’t owe your souls to any daedra, while as a vampire if you die you go straight to cold harbor and get tortured for eternity
I haven’t watched to see what case you made but... totally worth it!