Field Recording In Spain With Rode NT-SF1 & ZOOM F6 in Ambisonic Sounds!
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Find out if the Rode NT-SF1 is the best microphone for recording ambisonic sounds in our latest real-world test video. We put the NT-SF1 to the test, recording ambisonic sounds with the Zoom F6, and share our results and insights with you. Don't miss this opportunity to learn about the performance of the Rode NT-SF1 and see if it's the right choice for your ambisonic recording needs.
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Thanks,
Libby and Marcel
What a nice balance between ‘review’ and practical tips for recording in the field. Also, your video quality/editing is really stepping up; I really like the transitions between the ‘story’ and the ‘test’ with the change in aspect ratio.
Thank you Jason! Yeah Libby tried something new with the iPhone footage. So glad to hear you like it.
Same here
Thanks. I enjoy the video. Although I'm finding the sound coming out of these recordings a bit too much on the hissy side. Where I expected a comfortable and ambient wide stereo image, I found it sounding very dense and compact. Are there different ambisonic decoding algorithms, or do they all sound the same?
Hi Cuckoo! 👋
It’s all about how you configure it during the decoding stage, you can decide the polar pattern and stereo width yourself or even have multiple virtual microphones if you convert it to surround!
Please take this into a nature environment. I’d love to see how this mic would perform.
Considered it "done" :) After Bangkok we can do that because the forest or jungle is far away :)
@@FreeToUseSounds Bring your soma ether, it's always interesting to see what it can pick up "off the grid"!
@@FreeToUseSounds would like to see this also. :)
I have NT-SF1 and Zoom F6 and also Nuendo 11 so I can make Dolby Atmos sound. The plug-in for NT-SF1 can make 7.1.4 sound. In film they have NT-SF1 for the background sound and other mikes for the sound that should be clear and easy to listen to.
Great to hear that!
This was fascinating... I must say every time you press the record button you have a smile on your face which cannot be wiped off !!! Amazing sound even through youtube, and it really captures the atmosphere of the place... nice reflective surfaces in marble and stone to gather the sound in the gallery, and the square. Amazing video, thx
Glad you enjoyed it Oleander! :)
Another excellent video. I must say you produce way above the ordinary videos. Part travelogue part soundscape part product review. Beautiful photography, perfect music, and thoughtful editing. I also like the transition effects from cut to cut. Informative and relaxing. Always delightful. Thanks for the great work you two do.
Thanks again!
Fantastic content Marcel and Libby, love it, and adding a tutorial makes this so engaging and educational--- sounds awesome!!!!!! I learn so much from your techniques, thank you!
Thank you Michael! I hope you are doing great!
Have just got an Sennheiser Ambeo VR Mic will be very funny to start to use. :)
The Sound Devices ambeo plugin is calibrated for the Sennheiser Ambesonic mic only. Ambeo mics are very sensitive to proper calibration, so although it will probably work with the Rode mic, it will not work as well. Many ppl say you don’t really need the ambeo plug-in on a Sound Devices MixPre. Just record the four channels with linked gains and process in the DAW for surround sound.
Been looking forward to this video. Thanks for making it!
Hi Bekah! Thank you so much for watching!!
Thanks for the interesting video! I always look forward to your updates!
By the way, I'd also like to see how you edit your recordings. By the way, I'd like to see how you edit your recordings, and I'd love to see a video of you editing and the software you use.
Oh yes especially the VR sounds. That’s an interesting topic for sure but our apartment in Bangkok is so noisy and impossible to make a video. We are to close to the BTS :((
Wow this was amazing! Did you upload with the audio ambisonic or as stereo?
Question… if you were to downmix the ambisonic recording to a stereo file, would it still sound more spacious than a regular stereo recording?
You can do that by using a binaural decoder (for example IEM plugins), then it's more spatial if you listen to it on earphones.
But if you just want to use stereo I would record in stereo
You mentioned using 96K to record ambisonic. What about 32-bit float? ‘Any issues with the NT-SF1 - or with the requirements for quality field ambisonic recording - with 32-bit float?
I have the F6 and just got a NT-FS1, and so far I am not super impressed with the "isolation" I think it sounds just as good if not better using my binaural microphone.
However I have one really important question I wanted to ask you directly.
On the F6 are you recording in A-Format or B-Format? The results I get are quite different. I would think with the SoundField plugin being made specifically for the NT-FS1 that A-Format would produce more accurate results, but I actually think I get better results (less gain, but more accurate sound) when using the Ambix B-Format and using the Plugin as a generic B-Fromat decoder rather than A-Format.
There may not be a lot of people that can use the video, but I would absolutely LOVE a short video of you hooking up the NT-FS1 to the F6, your settings in the F6, and then your workflow/settings you use in the DAW with the Rode Plugin.
For now, if you could reply with what format you record in, and if you found one to be better than the other. I really appreciate it!
also keen to know if you are recording in A-FMT or B-FMT ? and what your workflow is ?
Just recently moved to F6 & NT-SF1. I'm reviewing your great videos about this combination. Thanks! Just a quick clarification about Headphone monitoring: you are saying we should enable 1 & 2 pre to the Left and 3 & 4 pre to the Right? Or 'post'? Thanks again for all your help and inspiration!
the Rode picks up more bass than the Ambeo Vr which picks up more details in the mid and highs , it's tough to choose the right mic when your budget is limited. Thanks for the review
Perfect intro for a super review and test! Bomb!
Thank you!! :)
Great video! How do you find the sound of the NT-SF1 compared to the Schoeps DMS? Would be very interested to hear the difference in the detail of the recording. Thanks
Hi! Well this is another level. The DMS has so much more power to record ambience. We make a direct comparison video here in Bangkok with it.
@@FreeToUseSounds Looking forward to it!
Hi! Im about to buy that wonderful thing and can't find any information how long the cable is. Should I get extra cable or its long enough for field recording from the box?
Very happy to have found your channel. I'm also a sound recordist working professionally. I create sound installations and music and sounddesign for film.
I'm using the H2a Hydrophones and looking to upgrade to the ASF1 mkII's. I'm going to sail in the Arctic this year and i'm looking to level up on some knowledge and equipement.
I bought the RODE- NTSF1 last year. I'm also looking to dive deeper in the control what is possible in post production. Get into Ambisonics more, but also using it to create 5.1 or more channel surround installations on speakers.
I have found that the internal routing of the Rode Soundfield plugin does not correspond with the internel routing with for example lets say Logic or Reaper. I use that software instead of Ableton which I use for my music productions because of the native surround routing which Ableton Live simply lacks. It would be great to hear your experience on this topic if you have also worked with these kind of surround setups. It's like you say in other video's, this topic is very unique and not so much experience is to be found online about these specific questions.
Thanks for sharing the video's I became a big fan already within a couple of days!
Hello Tristan! Wow, that sounds like an adventure!! You should get the Ambient ASF1 or the Dolphin Ears. I guess you want to go deep and you can go up to 100m with these hydrophones. I've heard about this issue, but I personally don't work in production. I'm recording these sounds and make them available. There's a channel on UA-cam and I think he's an Austrian teacher and he talks a lot about Ambisonic sounds. If you want I can try to find the channel again and let you know?
@@FreeToUseSounds That would be great if you can find some time for that ;)
I can recommend you guys stepping on board a sailboat and explore the ocean in that way. The style of traveling is unique and to be out on the water listening to hydrophones is also quite the experience. Good luck and safe travels.
Great video as always from you two. In this one I think that the 32 bit recording saved you at min.4,19, that door was the real test.
Yes it was :)
that was a mighty slam
I'd like to purchase something to capture ambient while travelling that's a step up from the h1n. What would be your recommendations? I've heard good things about the Sony pcm-d100 but it's a bit more than I'd like to spend. The F1 doesn't seem to be much better than my takstar video mic.
Im not sure if the pcm-d10 or pcm-a10 would fare much better either? Not much is known about them
I love the sounds in front of the church! Danke!
Oh yes that was nice!
Yes, please in nature, Forrest, meadow….👍🏻👋🏻
Okay :)
Marcel very interesting review thank you. Was it necessary to use some high pass filters during recording especially on the roof maybe and what settings ? Thank you.
Not at all Vlado. All sounds that you hear are unprocessed.
Is it iteresting to record everything in ambisonic and reduce in stereo if needed ? Or just get a stereo mic like BP4025 ?
Always awesome to watch you create
Thank you Russ!
@@FreeToUseSounds Enjoy the day
I truly enjoyed this. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Would you recommend this combination for professional use? --> doing coop with artlist for example.
Oh, certainly but If you get a chance to try out the Nevaton ambisonic microphone, I believe you'd find it better for professional use. The low self-noise dBA is quite exceptional for such a unique piece of equipment.
How long (time) do you record each soundscape? And when selling the sounds, how long (time) is each sound clip?
Is always different and depends on the sound effect and soundscape. There is no manual about how long a recording should be and only you should decide how long you want a recording to be. I normally record around 3 minutes and move on to a different location.
would this mic be good for indoor parties that includes DJ and people laughing, talking, dancing?
heyyy veery nice, I record sounds of Buenos Aires and other places and then I process them in my studio, many times the supports are not the ideal and exact ones to record, but I enjoy the sound texture that many of them generate, thanks for this channel, I already subscribed, if you want you can see the mio, I am very interested in the films with sound that they send me from other parts of the world
Wow it sounds so real. The F6 sounds brighter and cleaner then the F4 did. That's saying something by the way cause that thing sounded hella real. Almost Sound-Devices 744-T pure. What sample rate and bit depth did you use? I want an F6 for the 32 bitfloat.
Oh yes the F6 is a great recorder and does the job very well. I recorded in 96khz 32 bit.
@@FreeToUseSounds Wow verry much cool. Are the actuall 32 bits files available anyware? Me would love to hear them in their pure glory. Remember UA-cam does them no true justice.
I think it would be awesome to hear this along with POV footage. just carry the mic above you as you walk and video ‘ Point of view’ footage
that’s cool with a 360 camera for sure.
Thank you so much for all your enjoyable and informative content, i really appreciate the time you take to help sound newbies like me improve our knowledge. Quick Question - Woud can i use the Zoom H5 or Zoom H6 or H8 to record ambisonic recordings from the Rode NT-SF1 ? I will mainly be recording nature, forest, seascapes for my UA-cam videos but may like the option to sell the ambisonic recordings if they are to good enough standard, hence the question re a suitable filed recorder that can handle ambisonic recordings. Thanks
Hi Charlie! Good question but keep in mind that you need a four channel audio recorder for ambisonic sound. The H5 is not suitable for it. For the H6, you can't link four channels. So the H8 has the ambisonic option but I don't have the recorder anymore so I can't double check if it works with an external ambisonic microphone or only with the VR capsule.
@@FreeToUseSounds hi, thanks for your reply, I’ve gone with Zoom F6 and ordered Rode NT SF1 (on back order till March in UK) so will have to wait to test it, thanks for the great content and advise.
@@CharlieSilverlock great kit, I have a mixpre 6II and would like to find the Rode NT SF1 available to buy... these things sell like hot cakes
Hi,
Love you video.
Are there any other field recorders that you recommend at a cheaper price point than the Zoom F6 that can work for ambisonics with the Rode NT-SF1?
Thanks!
Hmm nothing comes to mind that I could recommend that is cheaper.
Thanks, amigos!🙏🏽
Pleasure!
Fairly new to field recording and ambisonics, but ambi curious :). Have you tried the Sennheiser AMBEO VR 3D Microphone? Looks similar in design to the Røde NT-SF1. Thanks!
Ah yes the good old AMBEO. Sorry we never used it personally.
How did you get that mic? I’ve had one on order for a year!! 😆
me too
me too
I had a thought this morning (doesn't happen to often, lol ) would you be interested in doing a "reaction video" to some viewers field recordings? You could put a call out for folks to send you say maybe a clip or two ( with info on gear used and location etc ) and you choose some to share with us live and give your reactions and thoughts on them. There could be some good feedback and its nice to see what this community of viewers are recording. All the best.
Hi Jay! I think that’s a great idea and I see this already in the music world. Some musicians rating others musicians work but I don’t see myself in a position to judge others work.
@@FreeToUseSounds I don't really see it as judging more as just sharing and community building. Anyway thanks for all you do and keep up the good work👍
@@jkingwhistler Let me think about it :)
Incredible.
Thank you!
Zack, and zack!
Marcel, are you using the Anker PowerCore 20100 or the Anker PowerCore+ 20100 version? I can't find the PowerCore+ anywhere.
I use the 25000 version. I have a link in the description about it.
Is that normal with "phase problem" issue? Or that effect is "specific" for that mics configuration/setup? What is a "vacuum sound"? Absolutely unnatural ambisonic sound.... what`s wrong in your opinion?
The NT-SF1 has been out of stock since quite a while now. How did you get that one?
Hi! Yeah they still have issues making them. I got lucky and got the very last one direct from Rode Australia about 5 months ago.
Cheerz!!!
Any idea on how to "link" channels in sound devices stuff?
thanx people!!
In Sound Devices equipment, linking channels is very easy. Simply click on the control knob on channel one and select "linking." Then choose the option "1-4," and you're all set! It's a convenient feature that allows you to control multiple channels simultaneously. Happy recording! 🎧🎶
I got a Rode for a test, its background noise is impressive, very loud. I do not find it suitable for shooting in nature. I'm using a MixPre 10 as recorder.
Thats okay if you find the microphone not suitable for yourself and your work.
Hi Marcel. Hast du dich bewusst gegen das AMBEO entschieden? Lg Andreas
Hallo Andreas, das AMBEO haette ich sicher auch gerne gehabt aber ich konnte das Rode sofort haben.
@@FreeToUseSounds ja. Bei mir war es genau anders herum. Das Rode war und ist nicht verfügbar. Das AMBEO ist immer hier auch verfügbar.
This Mic seems to be sold out everywhere I've looked. Is a new version in the making. Is the Sennheiser Ambisonic an alternative?
Hi Mark, oh yes the issue is that they can't make new ones right now because of a huge fire last year that destroyed a chip company in Japan and of course, shipping shortage etc. Its hard to get right now. The Sennheiser is a better alternative.
@@FreeToUseSounds Thanks. Can you do a test of the Sennheiser or maybe even a comparison video since you have the Rode?
@@watchandproduce But I don’t have the Sennheiser.
@@FreeToUseSounds That's too bad. You would think that you'd get review copies considering the popularity of your channel. On another note do you have a good alternative recommendation for the USI Pro? It seems those are hopelessly sold out as well.
@@watchandproduce Oh our channel isn’t big enough for companies like Sennheiser but we don’t do classic reviews like other channels who get the equipment, make a review and send it back. We’re actually using the gear for our business. About the Usis, they just had them in stock again but check out Clippys from Mic Boosters. They are never sold out.
What camera are you shooting with? I`m curious
Sony A7iii and iPhone 13.
A question about your headphone routing (L/R) are you setting to pre or post?
Hi Marcel. I have to check that but I think its on "pre". Let me take a look later today.
@@FreeToUseSounds I’d think post would be better as it’s how it is sounding after the recording. Pre would be monitoring the Microphones but wouldn’t know how its sounding at the end of the signal Cain, the Mics might sound great but the recording might be having issues
You basically become a spy! Nice mic and review!
Too bad there isn’t a way to record/reproduce the aromas of Thailand. Some not so good, some are wonderful. I loved it there (Udon, Ubon).
Oh yes the food is just amazing. I forgot that when I say “medium spice” it still burns like crazy! I love it :)
@@FreeToUseSounds 😆
ich glaube du sprichst auch deutsch oder :D ?
Pardon my ignorance, but why is it such a no - no to record music?
Copyright Laws.
@@RoyaltyFreeSoundEffects interesting, but beyond that I haven't seen or encountered much footage of anyone really recording concerts, whether it be it for indie musicians or AAA artists. There's just a handful out there it seems, am I wrong?
Denkst du es ist interessant ein 2nd order Mikrofon oder dritte order Mikrofone.
Oh ganz bestimmt aber da brauchst Du dann schon noch einen Rekorder der fähig ist um alle inputs zu bedienen. Ich hatte mal den F8n und der kann das schon.
@@FreeToUseSounds und… welche ist das unterschied zwischen erste, zweite und dritte „order“ ambisonic Mikrofon? Ich meine in der praktisch.
Do you have a preference on the height of the ambisonic microphone?
Hi Ken, only if it gets windy i stay low. The higher I go, the weaker the pole.
NT SF 1 vs Zoom h3 vr? or vs octomic 2nd order?
I gave the H3VR away and I can't spend another $1000 just for a test video. Our channel is small and doesn't get the views to justify the spending on it.
@@FreeToUseSounds that's fine. How did h3vr fare to nt sf1 in your experience?
@@ssa9382 Well, if you want something compact, ready and easy to use, the H3VR is really good but the noise floor is much higher in quiet areas. So you need to lower the gain a lot. Still if you're in a restaurant or airport you can just place this recorder on the table. Try this with the Rode or other microphones. Won't work easily without calling for trouble :)
@@FreeToUseSounds Thanks! I just bought h8. I mainly record ambience for hobby. This means it's trial and error for specific situations.
@@FreeToUseSounds its a shame they brought out the h3vr before their new zoom recorders had the 32 bit recording. not having to worry about peaking with this sort of mic seems like it would be a big benefit
Cool. I do like ambisonic recordings. Looks like I need to get an NT-SF1. And a recorder to plug it into ! Ha ha. Why do I always choose expensive hobbies ?
Haha, well because it’s not a hobby for me. It’s our business :)
...its so easy . . ne? ;-)
HA HA HA HA! I knew somebody called me out on that. Ich lach mich gerade kaputt. :)