The PROBLEM With Dawntrail
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Final Fantasy XIV's Dawntrail expansion underwhelms on all fronts. For a follow up to an amazing finale with Endwalker, this disappoints on almost every front. It's easy to say that the biggest issue with all of this all comes down to Wuk Lamat, but there's way more to it than that.
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Tried something different with this one - more of an opinion/rant instead of full on review. If you enjoy and want to see more like it, let me know and sound off in the comments!
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Rather enjoyed this one :) There was a few audio niggles here and there, but the formats not bad at all. Makes for good listening whilst doing other tasks
I'm just glad you're still around, Jared.
Thancred collapsing a wall to block your path in the level 91 dungeon is the closest thing to a scyon rivalry we got.
exactly
Imagine if a dungeon boss was a big element conjured by y’shtola, or avoiding traps from thancred as he sneaks around you batman style.
@@mishakals That would be a great way of doing it, if they could somehow write the story such that Y'shtola actually cared about Koana winning the contest. I don't think a direct battle against other scions could ever work, from a story/character motivation perspective or even in the logistics of pitting the WoL in a party of four against them. I also don't see Koana and Wuk Lamat ever being willing to literally fight each other over this. They may be opponents in the contest, but they are not enemies and would not put winning over each other's safety.
The conjured elemental would be a perfect way for them to challenge you and slow you down indirectly, without making it personal. My only gripe with this would be: if Y'shtola can conjure something that presents a serious challenge to the Warrior of Light plus three allies, why hasn't she used something like this before? Perhaps it wouldn't be something she creates directly, but rather something like the ancient constructs in Skydeep Cenote, and she manipulates it through a familiar. Urianger can comment that he promises to step in and heal you if things get out of hand. Maybe there's a scripted event where the construct gets out of control and you're knocked "down for the count," and the scions actually have to jump in and help you defeat it because it's gotten too serious. Could make for a good moment afterward for everybody to reflect and reassess what their priorities are.
The whole "You just cant handle a story that isnt about cosmic world ending threats!" is very funny because thats exactly how the story ends up anyway
It's pretty dismissive to say that anyone who didn't enjoy Wuk Lamat's voice performance is either parroting other people's opinions or didn't play through her scenes in dawntrail.
I played the whole msq from start to finish in english, and found her voice acting to be very hit and miss. Some scenes, she does quite well, but others fall so flat, they kill the entire mood of the scene (the final trial being the worst example)
This is my opinion, I came to it on my own after finishing the story. Not agreeing with it is fine, but don't assume people don't like her voice acting just because some youtuber told them it was bad.
My argument is that it's not just Wuk lamat. It's the entire cast. Even the Scions had weird deliveries, notably krile when the expansion finally let her do something. The reason people notice it more with Wuk lamat is because she makes up the majority of voice acting in the entire expansion. It felt more of an issue with poor voice direction than actual bad voice acting.
It’s very childish for Jared. The entire “review” was him bulldozing any other opinions as wrong and suggesting anyone who doesn’t agree with him is deluded.
This felt so different to his previous content and felt more like he wanted to rant that his opinion is fact.
Also absolutely delusional that he was hoping for a romance with Wuk Lamat. Urgh.
The VA is trans so defending them gives you virtue points. That's all it is. Can't criticize the performance. Otherwise, you're just a transphobe.
It honestly comes off as trying to avoid any sort of "discourse" because of who the english VA is.
Poor voice work is poor voice work, trying to blame the voice direction in this case is just making excuses for someone else.
Jared's voice dropped like three octaves.
- DadJared has logged on
Yeah, what was with that? Jared, your mic might be off!
It's actually messing with my head. I'm trying to do other stuff while watching this video and my brain is constantly like, "something is wrong..."
@@arcadelinkauthor Yeah, I started it with not my usual audio setup, and I thought something *was* wrong . . . and it is!
He probably doing SR (very popular theme among men rn). This thing dropping your voice really deep after around 1-2 weeks. So its maybe the case (no joke, check SR forums)
"It's all exacerbated by the absolute cascading deluge of proper nouns spouted off in every single sentence... ...you can't go two steps without a single paragraph of someone saying a plethora of names of people you haven't met, places you've never heard of, and titles that are supposed to mean something."
...So what you're saying is, they did a Final Fantasy XIII.
I literally said this same thing out loud on stream lol
"I'm after the Pulse Fal'cie"
@@projared Dude, they literaly did this on every expansion? Are you serious?
It's more of an ffx thing
@@at0micl0bster Final Fantasy X at least takes the time to explain to you what those terms mean as any good worldbuilding aspect should.
XIII stuffs them all in it's own "look it up yourself" section and never bothers to do it organically.
"It would have been fascinating to introduce an NPC that falls in love with your character!"
DID ZENOS MEAN NOTHING TO YOU???
To say nothing of G'raha Tia...
Zenos means nothing to anyone of any consequence.
Zenos sucks
@@Minumer and Haurchefant...
Also they can't do that, ever, not because of fans getting weird but because of lalafels being a playable race
There's a few sideplots involving that kind of relationship but it is kept well away from the MSQ
My favorite Dawntrail NPC was when LL Kool Ja Ja came out and started rapping
XD
The part about not every story needing world ending stakes is spot on. Reminds me of Jojo. 3rd part is about stopping Dio from possibly taking over the world, but the 4th part? Stopping a serial killer in a remote town. And that's one of my favorite parts.
@JonathanJoestarJuicefestpoint was that they didn't need to for it to be good.
The irony being the expansion devolves into world ending stakes at the 13th hour making that argument moot for defenders claiming people hate on it for not having big stakes.
Yep. Lower stakes doesn't mean "nothing happens". If someone kidnapped Alphinaud or Graha Tia and the MSQ was rescuing them Taken-style, we wouldn't be saving the world, and it would be lower stakes than ShB or END but we'd still care a lot.
No need for a vacation or a world ending threat.
Funnily, we already had a relatively low stakes story that was largely detached from the greater narrative in HW.
The Dragonsong War was a very localized threat and aside from some token Ascian involvement and Hydaelyn business it didn't touch on the threads introduced in ARR much at all until the post patches.
At this point I'd be happier if they depowered us somehow. On a good day, we're 9/14ths of a fully powered unsundered Ancient with a scary mastery on reality bending Dynamis.
I really couldn't take Valigarmanda, Zoraal Ja or Sphene seriously because of that. Yes, the "they're going to destroy everything if they're not stopped" is there, but they were scaled down so that Wuk Lamat doesn't feel useless. And this will keep happening because we're only getting stronger every time.
If Square Enix doesn't take care of this, this will become another WoW, and everyone knows how badly WoW handled it.
Defending Wuk Lamat's voice acting is certainly a choice.
Could be the voice actor.
Could be the voice direction.
Could be the writing.
Whatever it is, it's not something I would die on a hill defending. Given how Japanese players did not like Wuk Lamat either, I'd say it has more to do with the character. The english VA does nothing to help the character, and if anything, hurts her more.
The bigger problem with this expansion is how much of a bait-and-switch it is. It was marketed as an island adventure. Like "Legends of the Hidden Temple" set in a FFX type world.
Then we end up in Space Paranoids and Twilight Town from Kingdom Hearts 2... what?
Going through Tron was not at all what I was expecting, and to say I am disappointed that I didn't get my awesome island exploration adventure is an understatement.
And not only did I not get that fun island expedition, I got a bunch of tailing quests pulled straight out of Assassin's Creed, and they are just as boring here as they were there.
Yeah. Her voice acting sucked. The things that killed it for me were her obviously fake accent (it's so bad it feels like parody, and this is objective. You can listen to any South American accent, and NONE sound like it. The only way you'd think it was good is if the only SA accents you'd ever heard were from Americans "acting" in Saturday morning cartoons), inability to do anything resembling an angry/rage/upset emote (the other language actors do it infinitely better), and her gross overenunciation of words, which NO ONE ELSE DOES.
I played with JP Wuk.
Even if voice actors in JP actually give a damn about their job, writing was still dogwater.
There were nothing voice actors could do to fix a fundamentally broken character. Writers are just not up to par to write MSQ quest line.
I found the character boring. I think the VA for NA was bad in post-EW content and couldn't keep the accent up, but there are voice directors and people responsible for making sure the voice acting is correct. They accepted that work so to me it's ultimately their responsibility and they failed. I didn't hate her voice over work in 7.0 content as much as I was fatigued from constantly being around this character.
I'm not normally one to celebrate someone losing their job, but seeing Sena try to deplatform real talent on the basis of identity to try to get ahead in the industry killed the last shred of sympathy I was willing to feel for him.
@@FolsomC Didn't they play the "I'm 1/16th Hispanic!" card too?
"Her voice acting is amazing. You only copy opinions of other people! Or only pay attention at the start!" "I blame voice director for the bad voice lines from the end. You a stupid weeb for noticing the JPN, German, and every other language voice actor carry more emotion with their acting."
Bruh. Let me help you out, you can just say you like the voice acting without attacking people who have a different opinion. I thought the voice acting was bad, but it was bad from the OG cast. The story is bad, so kinda hard to expect VA to carry it. However, the English was obviously the worst. Both from actors that been doing these roles for years and from new ones who have almost no experience and were trying to do an accent ontop of their voice acting.
Exactly. I don't know why he has to be pretentious for anyone that enjoys the JAP dub. So disrespectful.
yeah whole video felt pointless, glazing the content music and combat about how amazing they are and how top notch it is, then "I might cancel my sub" over 1 6/10 msq in 14 years lol
I think they should have gone with actors who can talk more naturally with the accent if they were dead set on using it. Trying to force an accent they're not familiar with clearly hurt some of the more emotional moments. It's rare for people to be able to hit a wide emotional range while doing that sort of thing.
spleeeeen lissen tu miiiii
@@shimapanzer9930Cancelling sub is the dumb part. Because while the MSQ writing was shit, literally everything else about the expansion has been great. And an MMO is always more than the main story.
Yeah sure, FFXIV is known for it's fantastic story, and that great, but it's far from ONLY that
He went off on some imaginary voice for "putting words in his mouth" about not enjoying world building, then proceeds to put words in the mouth of everyone who genuinely doesn't like Wuk Lamat's voice. "You don't know what good voice acting is, you just like noises you don't understand."
He apparently already decided the imaginary voice he's saying this to would use the "JP is better" argument. I guess I'm not allowed to think the voice itself and the acting is bad of my own accord, I must either be misinformed or be a weeb. Thanks for enlightening me lol.
Even as an ardent dub defender, I cannot appreciate some aspects of this expansion's voice acting. Wuk Lamat's VA was clearly not able to deliver with some of these scenes. Doing a slightly growly voice when she needs to be really pissed, and a slightly condescending voice when she's supposed to be pleading for reason. She manages most of the other stuff just fine. But when it's bad, it's *bad.*
Yup must be a weeb thing, please ignore the german dub listeners with the exact same opinion on en Wuks awful casting
It sounds more like he's afraid of backlash for talking about wuk lamats voice acting.. even though it has nothing to do with any drama or the actress herself.. it's pretty unanimous now that the voice acting is not good, he even SAYS the voice acting isn't very good multiple times during his streams!
Jared really sounded like a white knight there…
I remember that he criticized Vaan‘s voice in FF12 because the VA was new while doing a decent job at the time while he just praises Wuk‘s VA despite the VAing being… just badly delivered. I guess political correctness seems to him more important now then being fully honest
this isn’t a final fantasy 13 video
Brutal.
And we’re better for it
Bro, not even an hour since posting hahahaha and already ambushing him with the FFXIII
@@Batsonoutdoordesigns Nah, we need to see Jared shit all over that garbage game. Don't care if there are a million videos already doing it, need Jared to do it as well because that game deserves it.
If Jared even reviews FFXIII, may it happens on April Fools Day so he can make a literal joke out of it.
I agree with most of what you said here. You lost me at the "you just like hearing noises you don't understand" dumbass talking point to try and dismiss people who prefer the Japanese voice acting. It's very easy to have an application for the effort and delivery of the jp VAs without fully understanding the language itself. That shallow narrow minded twitter talking point needs to be erased from everyone's consciousness permanently. If you liked the English VA you can just say that without trying to discredit people who prefer JP with a talking point that makes you sound like an uncultured nimrod.
All in all great vid I love most of your critiques and the way you leveled them. Just that JP VA left a sour taste.
Preach, brother.
Thank you so much for bringing this up. It was such whiplash to hear Jared making lots of well reasoned, satisfying points, calling out so many repeated strawman arguments you hear from those trying to defend the MSQ...and then suddenly drops the most hyperbolic, bad-faith opinion he's ever had that hits you like a surprise "Fuck" in the middle of an episode of Blues Clues. It felt like he suddenly became possessed by the voice of a chronically online Twitter warrior for 30 seconds and then moved on. Like, excuse me for becoming so grated by the english deliveries this time that I felt compelled to change to japanese by level 93 Jared. That doesn't make me some contrarian weaboo that he seems to think is the case. Sounds like there's a not-so hidden bias that he let escape.
bro doesnt wanna get cancelled again
Yeah, that whole spiel came across as really weirdly hostile and contrarian for the sake of... I don't even know what. Him lamenting we don't get to romance Wuk Lamat is one of the weirdest opinions I've seen levied at the story too, maybe they're related.
Yeah the voice acting was straight ass across the board but hers was the worst. Sounded like he went on that little tangent to appease a certain group of people.
"If you switch to JP voices, you just like listening to voices you don't understand!"
Yes. I do. That's why I turn on subtitles and smile whenever Jotaro's voice comes out of the big lizard.
And at least you won't be listening to "Sfiiin, lissun tu me..." every single time.
I personally alway preferred to play a game in its native language if it’s an option, even though I think the English cast is great in ffxiv. Those voices I don’t understand are still incredibly skilled actors who are conveying the tone and emotions of the scenes.
@@meamouse fun fact about VA and acting in Japan. It's overacted and not the true representation of how they convey emotions. They're intentionally overacted, so they're still not portrayed in a real sense
@@Soulsnatcher89 Still portrayed better than the EN voices.
@@DiscoSamurai that's not how language works
Jared hit puberty at LV 69
The same thing happened to pirate software. In your thirties your voice can go through a second puberty.
I noticed that as well.
Nice
It sound to me like he's reading the script and eating something :)
@@brospros6327pitate software is due to mic settings bro
Don’t really understand the attacking of people who don’t like Wuks voice work. It ain’t great. Weird hill to die on.
Honestly seen it on both end I have seen people attacked for saying they like wuk voice I think wuk voice is ok in most scenes but in certain ones it's pretty bad.
@crossdaboss8914 It doesn't help that the third boss of DT has one of the worst English acting direction and it's going to be the one that will be heard over and over due to it being a possibility in duty roulette. You know the thing that everyone grinds on if they play FFXIV.
@MegaDarkness5000 yep the japanese version of that scene is soo much better like we needed more emotion and desperation
@@MegaDarkness5000 Speeeen listentomeeee
Good fucking lord. Save me
@@crossdaboss8914 german voice is insanely good too, her performance during her father's death is awesome, so emotional.
This was a good review, but im gonna need to speak with Wuk Lamat to see how she feels about it.
Wuk Lamat: "I'm not sure how I feel about this review. Maybe I can ask around for some ideas."
Talk to Villagers about how they feel about the review 4/4
@@yanipheonu "This person did not watch the review and doesn't even know who is ProJared. Maybe you should ask another person". (No progress towards quest completion)
@@yanipheonuA politician asking people what they want done? This maybe the most unrealistic thing in final fantasy 14 and we went to the fucking moon
in french, Wuk Lamat voice actress performance are more than fine. Specially because they hired a voice actress that has experience on the matter, she dubbed A LOT of movies and cartoon/anime and tv shows, we talk about 50+ and obviously from my Profile pic, french is my mother's tongue.
So your take is incorrect.
Wuk's english voice is terrible.
for once the french IS in the right
@@ruikirisame1744 It happen sometimes, lol
Played with English VA, it was on point too.
I won't blame it on the english voice actors either, more like how they were directed.
@@MrKanooe so they were correct on every other character except her? Mmh
@@Geekezf The english version of the game was kinda bad with DT, lots of mixing problems, directing etc
Lost me as soon as you started praising the English VA for Wuk Lamat while simultaneously shitting on anyone who has an opinion different than your own. You need to accept that not everyone enjoys the same things you do, but that doesn't automatically mean they dont know what they're talking about. That being said, I didn't like the VA's performance. It's a white person doing a terrible imitation of...whatever accent that was supposed to be, and it's very awful. I may not know what the hell the Japanese VA is saying, but switching audio certainly helped me get through the story. The character herself is still annoying, sidelines other characters that deserved more development, has inconsistent power levels, has all other characters pandering and praising her at every turn, and I couldn't wait to get away from her, but I can see why other people would like her, and thats fine. I don't share the same opinion, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about and arent allowed to enjoy things I didn't.
With all that said, I imagine there was some sort of voice direction given, someone had to write those lines, someone had to approve the lines that were recorded, etc. I'm not just blaming the English VA, but damn she didn't do well even with what she was given. If anyone else genuinely enjoyed her performance and isn't just looking for brownie points, that's good. I'm glad. Just wasn't for me.
@@TheBunfather YES! Thank you! Even if the VA did a good job and I for one (as a german) dont know jackshit about amerian accents, I heard those awful lines. I heard that the VA didnt go balls to the wall- batshit crazy when she had to do an emotional scream of agony or pain like the japanese does. Its a general trope that I often see or hear even in german dubs of shows or games. The VA's seem to feel embarrased to go all out. Imagine Goku sub being "Roaaaaaaargh!!" and the Va going "Heee..." - Same thing.
@@TheBunfather I liked her performance better than anything in the "TX" area. I was not watching in JP so I honestly just had to mute the game anytime anyone in that zone talked. That and Erenville's mother. Yuck.
@@TheBunfatherthe voice actress isn’t white, she’s puerto Rican and does a Puerto Rican accent.
You know you sound kinda racist. That not the color of your skin which determines how you speak. Its the side of the world you live in.
I like how Jared made no mention of Krile's stakes and motivations for being here because ya know... the game puts in the absolute minimum effort in reminding us she has stakes and motivations in being here before resolving it all in like 5 quests near the end of the MSQ.
Kriele got shafted for even more wuk lamat.
I was so mad when they let the tacked on child NPC use her earring to open the gate. They even stole that from her.
@@25xxfrostxx Child NPC that literally cannot exist. It has no mother.
She is my favorite Scion and I was so mad bro “you’re from another dimension” oh cool, let’s speak to Wuk Lamat.
I'm fairly sure Jared was trying to be cheeky by specifically not mentioning her. Even when it would make sense to, even showing her on camera and then naming a different character.
You had me right up until the point you started on the voice acting. Talking down to your audience saying "you don't know what good voice acting is and need to step down" is such a shitty thing to do over a difference of opinion.
I agree. I found Wuk's VA fine for most of it, but her inability to scream with emotion was noticeable. I have no comment on accents here and leave that to others (it isnt something I noticed, whereas a native Portuguese/Spanish speaker may take issue).
sorry but no matter what self claimed artists want you to believe, there is objectivity in art. And the voice acting of wuk lamat was objectively bad, you might enjoy it, but saying its good is just flat out wrong
@@lunaticmode638 Yeah, and saying that Wuk Lamat VA is bad is flat out wrong. Sorry, not sorry.
@@Jodariel.nah i just started playing the expac yesterday, wuk lamats character is the worst in the game and her voice is nails on a chalkboard. objectively terrible.
I applaud you for keeping straight face when saying that this flat emotionless falsetto counts as great voice performance.
I honestly thought it was some sarcasm that dumb me couldn't understand (i mean no way he was serious......right?)
I had to check and see if anyone called him out for that. I recently shared a comparison of JP and ENG lines during the trial with a friend and the performance is night and day. JP VA had a lot more depth and emotion behind their cry, meanwhile ENG sounds like they were just...well...*reading the lines*. And since I know there'd be some rando idjit that's like "ReAdInG ThE LiNeS iS WhAt A VoICe AcToR DoEs!", that second half of the job description is what needs to come into play, ACTING. They're supposed to act out a certain role or character in specific ways according to the context of the story, so if they're flat and uninspiring, they didn't achieve what they were going for. The whole expac through, I was listening to Wuk Lamat's VA just...drop the ball...on so many deliveries. It may not have been the VA's fault and could have been the voice direction, but that doesn't change that the performance we got was sub-par.
@@Rynn21 Yeah, if you follow him long enough you'll notice that he likes to be a contrarian baby from time to time so that he can feel special, it's really obnoxious. It's like when people say a Nintendo Direct was lame (and most of the time when they say that, it's true), but he claims it was actually great and everyone is wrong.
I disagree with your opinion about wuk lamat VA. That one sentence " Sphene, please listen to me ". Kill my vibe and drop my limit break gauge until minus in the final boss battle
This is so true. Even the other language VAs did a fantastic job during that scene.
@@Normal-Person Ok, so your all people need to go to a mental asylum, you all are harassing her voice actor.
@@Normal-Person Okay, so your one those poeple who harass the va, go to a mental assylum
@@Rynn21 Your literaly over critisiing and wanting to find flaws everywhere, grow up
@@fredy2041 You're* criticizing*
anyone who doesnt like wuk lamats voice is a weeb.. alright, lets break that down for a sec.
Lets take the most talked about gripe with the voice acting (that you also complained about, jared): the last line in the interphos trial.
There is no way to justify that voice acting in english, in the french and german dubs the actress conveys proper emotion for the scene, isnt phoning in an accent, and is able to properly project their voice into a distraught yell when screaming Sphenes name. This indicates a problem with the english voice acting. This is not a problem with the actress herself, this is not a slight against her character, and spending the video pre-emptively acting like you're correct creating strawmen for you to take down a peg makes no sense considering throughout your streams you complained about the acting yourself.
As for the romance... why? What would that have added to wuk lamats character other than creating a typical damsel archetype for people to lust over? Wuk Lamats story was about her finding *herself*, not becoming infatuated with you. We've already had characters become obsessed with us before, and in an MMORPG it just doesnt fit.
imagine bashing weebs in AN ANIME INSPIRED GAME, very weird take tbh
@@Rynn21Needs to be in all lower case
@@Rynn21 She whispered loudly
Something that's clear is you can't talk about this game without people getting extremely defensive about it. Never seen anything like it before, people acting up as if any critique is the equivalent to slapping their grandmas. Unbelievable.
@@Urbish no, I'm not new. I'm well aware of how obsessed the ff14 community is. But this expansion has some legit criticism of its own, more so than the others, and instead of arguing it people attack anyone that speaks up. I've lost friendships in game over this crap. It's clear, if you got any common sense, you can't fit in with the FF14 crowd.
I found out this video was out cause I saw someone mad about it on twitter so yeah checks out
The GCBTW cult is one of the most sensitive ones out there, invoke its wrath and you'll be cancelled from their Twitter safe spaces where they act like shit to anyone who isn't them but keep pretending they're all rays of sunshine.
@@New_Age_Drifter Beacuse we get videos like this all over, being shitters for no reason, confusing personal tastes with facts, not proviging proof or context
@SILVERONIN Nah, they are not, dude u dont even play ffxiv
The whole wanting a love confession out of Wuk Lamat thing is a hard no. Considering that regardless of player input, the WoL consistently displays sadness and anguish over a certain bestest boy ever from House Fortemps. The WoL has their own opinion on things independent of the player's and having them on the spot to accept/shoot down a love confession would be a disastrous can of worms, especially when it would be smack dab in the middle of all that bad writing like a rotten cherry.
As for the acting....no. Over the course of years I played from level 1 to 93, and Wuk Lamat was the voice that convinced me to switch to switch from English to Japanese. I listened to her a lot before I just couldn't take it anymore.
Wuk Lamat is the most anoying character introduced since Lyse SB. She is litteraly what is wrong with modern writing:
- Overpowered from the start but just needed "CONFIDENCE IN HERSELF".
- Take stupid decisions h24 but get praised for that (just like Lyse)
- Can't have a single line in the whole expansion where she is actualy smart. All she does is "HEY LISTEN" and "THEY CAN'T BE BAD IF I UNDERSTAND THEM".
She is a modern Disney character. And that is not a compliment.
Insulting people that disliked her voice acting? I always thought better of you.
There are tons of poorly delivered examples why her voice acting was bad. If you cant see the final battle as just one example, and say, "wow that was terrible" then you're just being disingenuous.
100%
No bro you just don't know what good voice acting is!!!
Did you stop watching the video before he finished that sentence? He said the final battle segment was bad and also said her direction needed work. Use your head
@@hackfeatherstep9955 "her direction needed work" is just infantilizing the voice actor. "hurr durr, it's all the director's fault, not the actor!", get off it.
@@hackfeatherstep9955 No in fact I did finish the video and its why I picked that specific voice area. The direction was bad the entire game, but it's an objective fact that the voice actor did a poor job. Bad inflection, Bad accent. Theres to many reason to count.
Should probably use your own head before talking shit.
love the vid but if you think Wuk's voice acting is good then you are seriously coping or you have a unique opinion, the voice acting was god awful (the scions sounded really off as well) you dont need to look further than her performance in the final trial, compare the english one to any other language, the english one shouts as if its midnight and she is trying not to wake people sleeping and she has 0 emotion in her voice
one thing you didnt mention that is unfair towards the character but is a reason loads of people hate Wuk (myself included) is that she is constantly glued to your character, like we cant get 10 seconds without her, when the texas map happened it felt filler af but i didnt mind because she wasn't there for once
Dunno how you can say the Wuk Lamat VA "slayed". Just because other characters were also bad doesn't diminish how bad she was. Also, saying people who listened to different languages need to step off is weirdly dismissive.
Trying to shield himself from the obvious allegations, without being privvy to the fact that the majority opinion now is that it was bottom tier work.
Dafuq allegations?
It comes off as just trying to support the VA, to counterbalance all the hate they get for this role. Which is fine but there’s a difference between not harassing actors and praising subpar work.
@@evilriku1336 Deflections of criticism by accusing you of hating the community that gets pandered to whenever it's June.
You want to stand up for and defend that community fine. But not this particular VA. No victim narrative covers what a shit person they are and how bad a voice actor they are.
my biggest dissapointment was that they hyped up the vacation aspect, and the possible rivalry between the scions and in the end all we got was a rushed contest and a very decent second half that maybe should have been pushed into the patch content.
Also they tried way too hard to make you like Wuk, and every msq step was the same boring "talk with npcs" routine... only to talk with wuk again.
unrelated, why does jared's voice sounds so deep?
They always lied about that sort of thing, remember when Shadowbringers was "We become the warrior of darkness, your character will now take a darker path, even becoming a villain!" and then that was pure bullshit?
@@gfsdfsdf6546Shadowbringers just executed it better. You were still the Warrior of Darkness, just not a villain. Even the FF3 Warriors of Darkness weren't really evil.
We got the vacation. They just forgot to tell us the vacation came after the MSQ. The Dawntrail trailer is literally just all the post MSQ bits at the end. Like wut?
The writers took a vacation... and let the guy who did the boring as sin Bard class quests do the MSQ.
@@yanipheonu Except they LITERALLY told us we were gonna be villains, the japanese title "jetblack villains" even reflects on the fact that they told us we were gonna be something we're not.
By this logic, we still "have rivalty with scions" by pure technicality even if it means little.
Honestly, the entire xpac felt like a fan fic...For Wuk.
The princess of another land, who's only real flaws are she's TOO optimistic and kind, gets to go travel the world and beat up her bully and show up her older brothers, all while having constantly bizarre romance coded scenes with the big hero MC, culminating in the final scene where she rips off the actions of a previously beloved character, and saves the day, and everyone loves her.
Romance coded? That’d be weird and creepy, nah they’re clearly coded as mentor mentee, not romance, her flaw isn’t being optimistic it’s being bullheaded and impulsive, like did you even play it?
@@perrydunetz882 So, you missed the entire 'nervous teenager trying to confess' energy of her coming into your room? The beauty shot of her with the sunset behind her? The constant pushing from her father and brother to 'be by her side' and stay with her?
@@TheDapperDragonyou mean her coming to your room as pupil hoping to convince you to stay and help rule her kingdom, or her concerned father and brother hoping you will protect her because they know how overconfident she is and how much learning she has to go? None of her actions came off as romantic at all, and came off more as someone who simply started to regard you as another parental figure or sibling.
@@perrydunetz882 Mentor is a stretch. I think that was the idea but, we didn't teach her a thing. We played the role of a mute bobblehead that does all her work and nods.
Maybe the player headcanon is supposed to fill in gaps because I got zero vibes of us mentoring in any capacity. Bodyguard, sure, I can get that. Us teaching? Nope.
@@elricskye5562there's a sidequest with a giant where you actually teach them how to be a bodyguard/adventurer.
You go out and show rhem how to do a quest, like pick up items or guard an NPC. He watches, talks to you after, and then says they'll try it themselves. He gets more confident and learns. He even changes his name to reflect the change.
That's actual mentorship. Wuk doesn't get to have those scenes....
I'm gonna hard disagree with you on Wuk Lamat's voice acting being good, and no I'm not someone who even heard the JP version or only played through 6.55 or following other peoples opinions. I played through the whole story, listened to all the lines and I can count on 1 hand where I thought her delivery was "decent." The absolute BIGGEST example I can give of her utter failure of delivery is during the final fight phase transition when she appears. That was the most horrendous delivery I've ever heard in that sequence of events. For starters, she busts in guns blazing, has a moment where she's fending off the hand that's crushing her and all the while is speaking normally with no hint of exasperation. No struggle at all in the delivery of those lines where there should be. Oh, or when she sees Zoraal Ja and rushes at him in anger "screaming" out his name. It just sounds like she's raising up the volume in her voice as she progresses through the utterance of his name rather than actually display any sort of emotion in it. This level of flat line delivery is present in about 98% of her lines. Off the top of my head, one of the "decent" deliveries is when you see her mom in LM.
Edit: I did type out this message before I heard you mention the voice directing bit regarding the final fight, but then I'd call into question, at what point is it the actor or the directors fault? Because the level of flatness in delivery that existed in that final fight was present throughout almost the whole story. I just didn't find her acting to be that good, and I suppose the directing as well.
My dude the entire problem with the voicing this expansion is the voice director was awful. It just shows poorly with wuk lamat because she has the most voiced dialogue. There’s many instances where certain characters didn’t even sound like themselves. Thancred literally did not sound like himself on his first line of voiced dialogue to the point I wondered if they changed VAs again. Krile sounded sickly, and y’shtola’s recording quality was awful.
@@knightsolaire5351 The sheer fact that the scions had far too few lines can be and is most likely one of the reasons why they sound different. The amount of lines that they had can be the deciding factor as to whether they record at the studio or from their home. This alone can drastically change the quality of not only the audio file but the direction due to it not being on site where it's easier to direct. Despite the noticeable lack of quality in how they sound, they delivered their few lines just fine. I don't agree that it was entirely a direction issue. I think Wuk Lamat simply just wasn't good in her delivery despite the direction. Also, I'm going to mention this one moment again which to me is a tell tale sign of someone not good at acting, the moment where she screams Zoraal Ja's name. The simple fact that she didnt add emotion in that utterance of his name and instead just raised the volume of her voice when screaming out his name is a clear indicator that your acting just isn't good. That is a rookie mistake to make that doesn't need a director to direct.
Like I said before, there are a small number of times that I can count on 1 hand where she did a "decent" job, and they had some emotion in their voice and whatnot, but overall that wasn't the case. It was flat delivery throughout most of it. At best, she does a good job at speaking with an accent.
@@Marusinae no, the reason they sound different is because they were warming back into their role and the voice director fucking phoned it in and didn’t ask for second takes of anything at all. I specifically said “first time thancred showed up.” He does sound exactly like his normal voice later in the same cutscene, and that’s from the voice director not asking for a second take since it sounded off. Large amounts of issues with “voice acting” can be exactly down to voice director not stating they need second takes. I’d be very interested to know her exact experience and what she was given in terms of context/notes later on.
@@knightsolaire5351 You're speaking as if you were there when it happened. You got any proof to back that claim up or are you just speaking out of your ass?
@@Marusinae everyone I’ve talked to with a level head about this has agreed that the voice acting is wacky across the board this expansion even for proven good actors. That is not indicative of bad acting, it’s indicative of bad direction. Be so for real.
Some strong words against people who didn't like the voice acting, but I'm going to respectfully disagree. The voice acting direction in Dawntrail as a whole, for the English cast, wasn't good. And this isn't just about japanese vs english. It's shocking that someone who played and appreciated a game like Final Fantasy XII in plain English could hear Wuk Lamat's mismatched tones and then claim everyone who criticized doesn't know what good voice acting is. Most of your other points are fair and objective, but that one just stuck out as very strange.
The bit about "words you don't understand" was a bit much too. Not everyone who uses the japanese audio doesn't know enough words and sentences in japanese. And speaking as someone who had to cope with consuming foreign media a lot due to lack of alternatives even if they don't, you can distinguish emotions in how they sound. Maybe that's not something people who grew in a culture very used to not having to absorb media in foreign audio always understand, but it's not that difficult.
XIV has a good history with EN acting, usually. In Dawntrail it's a bit egregious because while the japanese cast was as emotional as ever, a lot of the "emotional" scenes in English sound like being read from the script without the full context.
ALso, as someone who often listens to movie dubs in foreign languages for fun, it's surprisingly easy to pick up on the quality of voice acting even if you really don't understand a single word. The principles of acting is pretty universal, and Voice acting isn't much different in that regard. Most people can tell with decent accuracy when a VA is being flat or not putting in the effort and when they do. It's actually more difficult to pick up when a VA is overdoing it rather than underdoing it.
Wuk Lamat's VA suffers from both being fairly green on the scene and, as evident with even the other pro's sometimes comming off a bit low quality, not having the best voice directing. Meanwhile, in both Japanese, French, and German the VA's are more experienced actors and you can tell they are doing a better job. The French is sometimes hamming it up a bit too much for my taste, but still good. We also know who is the English VA and having checked out what little other work she has, yeah, she has potential, but needs some more training and experience. Add on the somewhat underwhelming writing and it the problem becomes accentuated.
Honestly, I'm surprised how hard Jared went to bat for her, going as far as insulting those who disagrees with him. That's never a good look or approach, and the topic felt weirdly personal for him.
The EN voice direction was definitely very strange. Some characters were spot on perfect to me (Cacihua, trolly/train guy, and Koana off the top of my head), but some had some very noticeably stilted lines (Wuk Lamat and Galool Ja Ja mostly). Since all of these new actors are NA based rather than across the pond, I imagine they definitely would be working with a different company and therefore voice director. The fact that they weren't given more direction to adjust those lines is honestly sad because both characters do have some good work on display elsewhere in the game.
english yshtola sounds like shes in her closet and is using a shitty $2 mic (which she constantly peaks)
The whole concept of "what if an npc was in love with you!" just seems so strange when you have Zenos who is ABSOLUTELY OBSESSED with you, to an extremely unhealthy degree, and G'raha, who has idolized you since before you even existed, then sees you and falls in love the moment you do one heroic thing. He may not explicitly say it, but it's undeniable to me. He loves you, heart and soul. Regardless of race or gender.
Not to mention Aymeric's attempts at swooning the WoL.
....Zenos is dead.
We had an actual Ghost attached to us in ShB, and Emet Selch was literally spying on us most of the MSQ, and somehow they were less intrusive and annoying.
@@UmbreonMessiah sure is! Wholly and fully dead, for sure this time. He also did what I said he did
@@yanipheonu Don't forget the part where WoL gets forcibly married off to a pixie.
Jared telling people not to be horny for charavters sesms somehat hypocritical, but okay
Good to hear someone else's disappointment in the supposed conflict with Thancred and Urianger. I was talking about that with some of my FC mates a few days ago, about how they teased that a bunch of times before the expansion dropped, and they were like "oh yeah, that was supposed to be a thing, wasn't it?".
@@Rynn21 I was so happy after the dawnservant part of the story. I was hoping Wuk Lamat would stay in the palace for the rest of the game. Imagine how much better the 2nd half of the story would be.
English is not my native language. To me, both English and Japanese sound equally foreign. Considering Japanese was how Wuk Lamat's character was meant to sound, given that the franchise is y'know... japanese, the difference is very noticeable.
Japanese Wuk Lamat is a tomboy. Excited, impulsive, naive, and the VA portrays it well enough, despite being relatively new as well. On the other hand, I don't know if it's the VA or the voice direction lacking, but the EN VA is all over the place on that regard. Yes, the Scions are a mess as well, but since Wuk Lamat hogs 70% of the voice acting, of course it's going to be more noticeable with her.
All game's languages are foreign to me but i can speak all of them at least a little, i choose playing on JP both text and voice cuz its just better writing and voice acting after comparisons i had. JP is heads better on every level, VAs actually work with devs and create compelling character together, every voice is fitting and interesting fact is that they hire smaller actors for big characters while hiring more veteran VAs for side characters most of the time. Western thing of ENGLISH ALL THE WAY WE ARE THE BEST is honestly so annoying and tiresome at this point, they make such a big deal out of their importance but continue to consume subpar dubs and butchered localized writing and are happy about it.
If Wuk's voice acting was fine why did they feel the need to redo it at the last raid? Is that normal?
Remember they promised inter-scion competition....? Yeah... Going in a solo duty, maybe even a trial against Thancred and Uberdanger would have been the coolest stuff ever, but they chickened out and it makes me so mad.
Here's one thing that I will say, never believe YoshiP with fanfest, the problem is that he wants people to go off with their imagination instead of just saying it straight up.
@@MegaDarkness5000 Yeah as much as I love the guy he really knows how to beat around the bush on topics and how to hype up the masses and talk like a professional businessman. Even knowing that he cant just always be open about things, but his discrecion is borderline insane at times. To be honest the people themselves are also just blindly going for it there is that as well. Yoshi P has said a lot of things, but who could have guessed that his words are not gospel or what people always think it is.
"Hey guys, go ahead. I'll stop them." WoL then battles Thancred, Urianger and Koana not to kill but to get ahead of them. I'd kill to have an actual competition with the scions in terms of battle skills and / or wisdom to get a reaction of them facing the WoL in his overwhelming strength and ability.
Bro from asmon chat j can tell 😂 hello bro
Did he promised that?
Come on now, you already defend yourself against "putting words in your mouth" about the World Building stuff which is completely fair, but you sure are ripping a new one if someone disagreed with the Voice Acting of Wuk Lamat being mediocre at best? Me and many others can think for ourselves and we are not being a herd of sheep 'spouting the general opinion' thank you very much, you don't gotta be so hostile about a topic that is incredibly opinion based, liking it or disliking it are both valid opinions.
Rest of the video is good though, pretty much spot on everything.
Voice acting performance is not relative to people, it’s only subjected to objectivity
Well this is different alright. Jared, if you need to vent, don't do it in a review. I don't even care about MMO's and this video properly pissed me off. As a member of the audience, I very much don't like being insulted watching a video. The quotes "Anyone saying this is either repeating what they've seen other people say in online discourse because they can't form an opinion of their own" and "You just like noises you don't understand" are both complete BS and you know it.
I will give you this though: Final Fantasy and terminology problems goes hand in hand. It has happened before (guess which one!) and it will happen again!
He has to pretend he likes it, a lot of his viewers/fans would drop him if they got a whiff of "transphobia."
No Wuk Lamat's VA does not consistently deliver a good performance that's huge cope lmao
The biggest crime of Dawntrail is making Krile's plot feel pointless after hyping her up so hard.
Stop kidding yourself on the voice acting bro, Sena's performance was subpar. I know people are hating on her way too much at the current time but it's still possible to acknowledge that her line delivery was, for the most part, lackluster. This was the case for all of the EN voices, mind you, but she stuck out as easily the weakest.
@@Rynn21 he is just a coward who is afraid to be called transphobe by twitter mob for criticizing her lol.
Damn saying that wuk voice is good is wild especially to liking the jp voice or anything thats the biggest hot take some of the lines just aren't there and just suck and i like how he only pointed out the jp voices you should listen to the german its honestly not to bad especially fot sphene
Great video, I agree with most of your points EXCEPT bit about Wuk Lamat voice acting. That was honestly kinda weird
It was fine though. Yes, there are moments where the director should have asked for another take (and this applies to other VAs, too). It's only really noticeable with Wuk Lamat because she has the most lines out of everyone.
gotta defend the "token hire" at all costs
@@at0micl0bster okay weirdo
@@NesaruHow is he weird? Sena wouldnt pass QA for any self respecting QA, its clear Kate used her strings in the company to not only affect the story direction, but to keep Wuk at the forefront with that terrible VA
@@moonum4567 okay weirdo
I agree with everything except for your take on Wuk Lamat's voice.
As I player I dont care if the problem is voice direction, badly writen lines, amateurish voice acting or a mix of all three.
I did not enjoy her voice acting in EN dub, and for the first time since ARR switched to JP, as did most of the people i know.
Did it make Dawntrail better? Hell no, the expansion is horrible, the pacing/exposition of the story really went down compared to shadowringers and endwalker.
But at least I had a Wuk Lamat (with most voice acted lines in any expansion ever) with a voice that was better at expressing emotions/was better directed.
I don't agree with everything said here, but thanks so much for calling out these strawman arguments about how people who dislike the story just had the wrong expectations, want escalating stakes and hate world building.
Honestly, if you loved the story then great! I'm glad. But please don't tell me why I didn't like it, or say that I'm even at fault for not liking it. Just listen to our complaints instead of pretending they are something entirely different.
The irony is, he goes on to do just that with the voice acting.[
jumped off at 9:23 as requested. Sena Bryer couldn't act her way out of a paper bag.
Honestly saying the story would be better if Wuk was in love with the WoL is the biggest L take I have ever heard.
emotions, in wuk lamat english voice, sure.
yeah, thought the same ^^' thats what annoyed me, in situations where she's suppose to be angry, she just sounds mildy inconvenienced, im not sure if its the voices actresses fault or the directors behind but its far from being good (and to Jared if he sees this, yes i do know what good voice acting is like lol)
@@SumptuaryFive5 actor
@@CirnoFairy What makes you insistent on misgendering people? Have you tried putting yourself in a trans person's shoes? Makes me sad more than anything and I want to understand
@@shadowsongg8035 What makes you insistent on browbeating people into calling a man a woman?
@@Desolane I've not insisted this person changes how they act or think with my comment, I asked why they insist on doing something that makes another deeply uncomfortable. I do not know the actress at all and they probably don't need someone to fight for her on a video that she will likely never see. However, I am curious to why people can not have empathy with a trans person. They have a gender identity that does not conform with what they have been assigned to at birth and are taking steps to change that incongruity. This is fine with all sorts of other problems be it with fixing eyesight with glasses or scoliosis with a metal brace, but as soon as society is needed to help heal another human being we clamour to shut them up and tell them they're wrong about what is going on in their head.
If you as another human with your unique experiences need to have help from outside to change and everyone tries to shut you down at every given opportunity wouldn't you like to be treated better and not have people insist your existence is what's wrong? That is empathy, and empathy is surprisingly lacking when it comes to mental health
Having a romance between the Wol and Wuk lamat being the thing to fix Dawntrails msq story is probably the most weird and unhinged take i've heard...
I was so disgusted when she walks into your inn room and stutters. I wanted to skip that scene.
Is... is this why Jared has a complicated and drama filled history with relationships? His go to solution is 'The girl has to fall for you'?
@@bellidrael7457 I dont think thats a rabbithole i wanna get into lmao
Why do people say "You hate it because the stakes are low", did these people even play the game? At the end you have to stop Sphene because otherwise she'll drain all other reflections from their aether without them even knowing! These are multi-world ending events ffs, if anything these stakes are on par with Shadowbringers if not higher.
Becoming borderline racist against the japanese language just because the thought of voicing discontent towards a transgender person is terrifying to you is a new level of horseshoe theory that I never expected.
That is some insane mental gymnastics you got there.
@@MrCarlWax Jared literally called everyone liking the Japanese Dub as ‚liking to hear noises you don’t understand‘ assuming therefore everyone not understanding a word Japanese.
That’s very rich coming from Jared from all people plus the VA just did not a good job and the directing is bad too. I expected a certain level of QUALITY to a mainline FF game that also is their second MMO
Remember that part of the MSQ where we were going to handle a new technology we've never seen before and we had to make a choice of who to take with us and who to leave so we decided to take (Or rather she was forced on us) Wuk Lamat to handle the Alexandria ordeal and left behind Koana for the defense? We left behind the guy whose whole thing is tech.... to take a girl who didn't even understand who own people before we showed up....
Whilst I completely understand the sentiment, the counterpoint to that would be whether you think Wuk Lamat has the tactical prowess to set up a defence, let alone think about signing a deal with Radz-at-Han.
@@equipbasicsword Wouldn't that imply she's a bad leader then?
We brought G'raha for that. Of all the problems one could discuss I don't think this counts as one.
@@hyoushou8198No, leadership skill is about the only thing she has. Whether you like it or not, delegating work to people more skilled than you are is a leadership quality.
@@Dharengo I mean it's a pretty big part of the story, but sure with the mountain of fuck ups in DT sure...
"Stop being horny for Zoraal Ja"? Never!
For everyone that was so easily swayed into peace and smiles, it was satisfying to see a character so far on the other end of pain and anger.
The problem is that they really didn't properly articulate *why* he felt that way and what led to it. Yeah, he gave a flimsy reason but it's like they only remembered they hadn't bothered giving him a backstory until moments before his death. Considering who his father is you'd think he'd have fallen a bit closer to the tree and it ultimately ends up making Gulool Ja Ja and his adopted siblings seem rather negligent as family members for him to have somehow ended up the way he did.
Such a shame they fucked up on that front too by giving him some half-assed "relatable" motivation out of nowhere.
"This nation is puss*fied, Imma teach you all to fight again so we don't get raked in the ass by the first slightly aggressive oversea nation that comes around", would have been perfectly fine, simplicity is the key when you want to start something anew.
So… he tells us first to not like a character he doesn’t like and then he insults others for criticizing the poor VAing for Wuk Lamat?
Is Jared literally now dictating us what is right and what is wrong based on _his_ views? Seriously?
Aside from Sphene + The Endless place being the Temu version of Emet Selch + Amaurot what bothered me the most was how the Scions all felt like lifeless husks. None of the characters I'm familiar with felt like themselves. Like I get that they're not supposed to be in the main spotlight as much anymore but why even bother bringing them along if you're going to make them feel like cardboard cutouts? This was their opportunity to phase them out if that's what they want to do but instead they just lobotomized them.
Fun fact: we went through monumental effort to save dead civilizations in EW's beast tribe quest, only for us to commit genocide on the Endless in DT
They were mostly there to fill the Trusts
@@MurakamiTenshi The Endless were harvested souls being puppeteered without free will to create a "theatre" of "scenes" read from memories. Kryle's parents could have very well been victims of Tuliyolal's attack. Not only that, no one in Alexandria knew what they were doing with their souls and memories after death. All they knew is that they'd go into "Cloud Storage" nothing more.
Releasing them back to the aetherial sea so they could be reborn was the only correct thing to do, and categorizing it as genocide or trying some gotcha comparison to Emet's perspective is a gross misinterpretation of what actually happened. That's like saying that killing Tesleen to free her soul from being bound in the corrupting light aether was murder. Dawntrail has many issues and it stands at the bottom of my personal expansion writing ranking, but don't make up issues where they don't exist.
@@vaan_I don't wholly disagree, but isn't the aetherial sea the same process? They said as much. Each soul is the same soul taking another journey, they just found a way to skip that.
Still, I can understand how that is an affront to these people, it isn't natural.
@@MurakamiTenshi Because those are dead my dude
Great video, but you're on crack if you think the English VA for Wuk was THAT good 🤨
Remember,if you don't like the voice,you are transphobic..Is a LEGIT things people are saying
Instead of..maybe the voice just was bad
@@AsheCraftingCorner people who come up with the "UR TRANSPHOBIC" comeback all have twitter brainrot, so in other words their take is irrelevant.
Wuk's voice actor is so unprofessional, it's an insult to actual VA's who want to make it big in the industry.
Nope, voice acting is subjective.
@@Amadourrr yup
@@digimonlover1632 And so is taste on food, but you won't see many people agreeing on poop being tasty.
I was surprised to hear Wuk's voice actor was a man. I knew something sounded off, honestly I thought someone had hired an Indian girl with limited English experience because the accent was so funky.
The accent is intentional, it's supposed to sound south american. The issue is they are Californian and the accent sounds indian. The masculine voice fits, I mean wuk lamat is a tall masculine woman. I don't mind the voice, I just think they have no range.
Jared defending Wuk Lamat's VA in this video is him engagement baiting - and it worked, given how many replies there are about it. He's not willing to entertain an honest discussion about it. Although I am glad that people are pushing back, and that a content creator doesn't get to set the narrative, or get away with trying to tell people how or what to think lol
I think you're jumping to conclusions. Sometimes people just have shitty opinions.
When the 30 minute story for the Arcadion Raids was more enjoyable than the MSQ you got problems.
This all of this
100%. I could not give a rats ass about anything in the MSQ, but I am dying to learn about those sisters issues and how we're going to solve it.
Yet Daentrail was a good story kid, move on
@@TheDapperDragon DId you even play the game? No? ok
@@fredy2041 you literally have a single argument. Piss off until you learn to think.
I dont agree with your love take with Wuk Lamet with the WoL its just so out of character for the entire game and for her.
Is it really out of character for her when she's on our screen 80% of the time and always splits us into groups with us specifically with her, every single time, would respect strength like her culture does, and we've barely gotten to know her in half of a patch quest prior?
She wasn't a damn character for long. It would at least make more sense as to why we're CONSTANTLY with her ALL the time and how she comes to our bedroom while we're trying to rest, only to bring us up to the top and tell us (for the 6th or 7th time) about how she REALLY loves peace.
That take made me so confused, like did you even understand the characters?
Hinging an entire expac story around a single character is just baffling to me. Like, Stormblood had Lyse as a main character but it would still occasionally place her in the backseat so characters like Alisaie, Yugiri, Raubahn and Hien could get the spotlight.
I think Wuk Lamat was a do-over at what they tried to do with Lyse, who people complained "was just along for the ride and never really said or did anything important." Seems like now people don't like that they went so far in the other direction.
But I liked both Stormblood and Dawntrail a lot so what do I know?
Anytime a character is written in a way that screams "Everyone could like this character, how could they not!" I guarantee everyone with any sense will hate that character.
"If you don't like the voice acting, you must be a weeb."
Both of these can be true. The voice was bad.
Yeah, the voice actor was just poorly chosen. They might've worked as another character, but not as the *lead* character of the expac, esp when that character has more screentime than basically any other character previously in the game. Imo it was just bad casting.
Claiming the VA "killed it" is delusional imo.
@@anniel9416 Oh they killed it allright.
Killed any hope of it being enjoyable xD
thats what you get when you "token hire" someone
@@at0micl0bster And I hate that's being used as the "shield" from the very real criticisms. Like, can we not have an opinion that something is bad JUST because the VA happens to be trans?
His tirade on how good the VA for Wuk was made me die inside. Making the argument "well, it's not as bad as (insert character(s) here)" is just as cringe. Then following the comment with the ole.. "if you don't agree with me, you're just wrong," made it so much better. Good times.
The best part of this expansion was going to fantasy Texas with Erenville. That joy lasted all of five minutes before the game slaps you upside the head and says "Haha, just kidding! Go speak to Wuk Lamat yet again." Despite having a personal reason to be there, the game completely neglects Krile for the most part in favour of constantly pushing Wuk Lamat on you, and even at the end when the game should be giving both Krile and Erenville more, they fall neglected in favour of having Wuk Lamat pushed on you some more.
The FF9 bits felt... unneeded? I like FF9, one of my favourites, but it felt like it was just kind of tacked on and not really used properly... you know, much like the Scions, and Erenville, and... the WoL. The visuals were cool though, but I really struggled to find any reason to actually care. This came to a head in the last zone. Oh, we're on a time limit before Sphene does a thing and we gotta hurry up? No, sorry. Wuk Lamat wants to speak to all the digital ghosts. Oh no! The thing we were hurrying to do in order to prevent Sphene from reinacting the plot of the original Super Mario Bros movie is now happening because we took too long? How could this have happened! But then we see Wuk Lamat just immediately get kicked out of the area and that was actually funny. Finally we get to actually have a big ol' fight. Aaaand there's Wuk Lamat again forcing her way into everything. Including smacking the boss for like, 100x the amount of damage you can do. So she could have done it all herself. Cool. Why are we here again?
Dude, you did not even played the game, you just saw videos about it. Your extremly overly complaining and looking for flaws there were never there? If you were expecting something like shadowbringers? Your delusional
100%. I was actually giddy with excitement to enter FF's spaghetti western area with just Erenville, just *explore* and do *actual heroism* for a change... well, that bliss didn't last long, but that was peak for me. And then the space ships showed up, and I felt personally offended. Not that they were attacking the city. Not that they were here to steal everyone's souls. But because they interrupted my Fantasy John Wayne experience.
Wuk Lamat was fine, but when she had to shout or be angry... it was flatter than I was expecting with how her character is supposed to be vs all the intellectuals we've been hanging around. Koana had a similar issue with shouting. It might have been a direction issue, since they did well in the CS during the Gulool Ja Ja/Zoraal Ja fight.
Last fight? Someone needed to grab Gaia to yell at Sphene instead.
They needed to bulk up some information about Bakool Ja Ja and Zoraal Ja more before their big surprises were revealed. All I really remember is that Bakool Ja Ja was a Team Rocket villain and Zoraal Ja was an expansionist with a sketchy advisor. There was a line about the responsibility that Bakool Ja Ja has for his actions, but his redemption was a quick turn-around and there was a line about Zoraal Ja's youth that suggested slightly that Gulool Ja Ja was a crappy father before Koana and Wuk Lamat came into the picture (or he could have just been a quiet child). Then there's the question about Mini-Me in the last area and why the robot looked like a Mamool... I was thinking they would be able to overwrite memories and Zoraal Ja was body snatched for a bit.
Come on dude, emotion is something you can take from delivery regardless if the language it's delivered in. Don't tell me you can't tell an obvious difference between the dbz big green dub and original sub just because you don't understand one of them.
This. Lowkey racist to call a whole dub "noise"
8:45 yet you didn't feel the need to at least back up your dismissive stance with examples.
This is a video with audio, you have recordings of your gameplay. You could've shown example snippets of voice acting you found fantastic but instead you chose to dismiss and shit onto other peoples opinion without backing up your own.
Also putting "no offense" infront of insults doesn't excuse them or make them any less insulting.
I agree with almost everything you said in this video but this part of the video specifically sounded extremely butthurt and emotionally charged. Not cool.
Also I don't think a romance would've done wuk's character any good. I fail to see how yet another NPC falling in love with the player character would invoke any form of personal stakes for the player. It's not my character that is falling in love with the NPC. It's the NPC falling in love with my character. The NPC loving my character won't make me magically care about said character.
HARD AGREEING
I particularly felt the anger in his voice in this point of the video; that part wasn’t professional nor unbiased, but pretty much opinionated and biased… without an actual good reason
But we all know why he did that; he wanted to stay PC because the VA for Wuk in English is a trans woman… aka a person identifying as a woman while being biologically _male_
bruh that add-on was dogshit, Wuk was the biggest simpsons-poochie ive seen in years
When Wuk Lamat isn't on screen, Alisae literally asks "Where's Wuk Lamat?"
She really is Poochie.
Jared, if people says she sounds flat or like I've seen mentioned accurately, "screaming in lower case", it's because she is. If you think "I don't know voice acting", all I'll say is that I'm currently watching a friend play Nier: Automata after playing that game multiple times, and hearing 2B weep in sorrow, or Eve expressing his despair and anger for his brother... that's voice acting, really, really good voice acting, the raw emotion still gavis me chills.
Not going to argue the direction was awful, there's a reason why there's not even a consensus among the cast on how to pronounce Tuliyollal (where does the H come from there?) and there's so many questionable decisions that were made for the whole cast, but Wuk's EN voice actress comes off as an amateur VA doing voice over in her room while trying to not wake her neighbors.
Meanwhile, and particularly when she's supposed to scream at Zoraal Ja after he fought Galool JaJa, in every other language and, funnily enough, specially in German, a language I do not speak, she sounds feral, as if she's about to pounce at Zoraal Ja's throat right there and then. As someone who apparently "doesn't understand voice acting", I believe that the function of it it's not only to let you hear what a character is saying, but mainly to convey the emotions of the character *regardless* on whether or not you understand what's being said... even if in that particular moment she's only screaming Zoraal Ja's name, but the point it's the same, since in that scene, even if I could understand her, she sounded as if she was annoyed at him for dropping her coffee.
So yeah, while I'm mostly in agreement with most of the take on Dawntrail, that's not just people "repeating what everyone says", and, even if that were indeed the case, people started saying that for a reason.
Aaaaaand apparently, Sena Bryers basically called the Dawntrail theme (which is just so tone-deaf and cringey) ‚Black gospel‘ and that anyone not liking it is basically racey… except that the theme was composed and sung by Japanese people and that it sounds like any musical piece with choir in it.
I guess it shows that Sena Bryers just lost chances to get big.
Nothing of value was lost
Wuk La's climatic emotional scenes were so bland....where she screamed for sphene when coming threw that portal, was so......quiet an not emotional at all. i feel like any other languages sounded better then the english. I dont have a problem with the voice actor but the scenes the directors were suppose to direct to be emotional didnt come across very well in my opinion in the english version. :) This is only my opinion, im sure everyone else has diffrent ones. Not That Mine Matters
@@KaraHudson565 didn't you watch the video? You're a weeb that just likes sounds you dont understand
My fave description of Wuk Lamat's speech is "Yelling in Lowercase" haha. Also, your opinion on it is just as valid as mine or anyone else's, be they in support or against it.
you can't tell me the VA for Wuk Lamat is good, man lol
followed by segwaying into a "WHAT IF SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH US"
well i guess he REALLY likes cat women
she sounded spainard enough, i guess. a very bored and stoic spainard but one none the less
@@ruikirisame1744 I have zero ability to recognize accents but didn't many Hispanic players complain that her accent is weird/sounds made-up/almost racist/insulting?
@@Maymei99 at this point i don't can't tell if something is actually racist some people are just blowning it out of proportion.
but the accent does sound phoned in at time. so i will give them that
@@marimariowo3317Well he is a degenerate. Sorry but having some white dude imitate a sort of spaniard. Just comes across as an ai voice
Usually I agree with you Jared, but this time, it's such a hard disagree with pretty much every point that it hurts.
Defending Wuk's VA that hard there felt pretty out of place. They're VERY OBVIOUSLY not a great voice actor, and sound like someone off of fiver when compared to the rest of the cast
Ok, so your of those who harass her voice actor
@@fredy2041 No? Thinking someone did a shit job doesn't mean I go out and harass anyone. What a stupid thing to assume.
@@fredy2041saying someone is not great is not harassment. Go touch grass
Pretty hot take saying people only play with JP to listen to voices they can't understand. So whats next? Watching foreign movies on mute? Not like you can understand the words.
Weeb logic doesn't hold up, get outta here
Hot takes agree with some disagree with most. Wuk Lamat had a bad voice actress, and bad directing the two go hand in hand. Don't defend poor performance just cause the person identifies a certain way. Shit is shit period.
I agree. If you can’t deliver quality, you did just not good enough.
And no amount if special labels can protect you from that truth
Dude you massively wrong about the voice acting, for Wuk Lamat, It was so poorly done I switched to Japanese and it was so much better done in Japanese. Also if your infering Ysthola slept throuhg her rle they had to record her lines over the phone because she was at home with her brand new baby.
Having a baby / being at home is a poor excuse for what was given for Y'shtola.
Mistake number one: Telling 14 players to stop being horny
Mistake number two: Asking for even more characters to be in love with the player.
Your rant about the Japanese voices is 1000% unnecessary (just like my opinion here). People have the rights to like any other spoken languages! I'm from South America and I love Japanese voices! Other than that, you seems to be very tired of this game xD
P.S.
This is just my opinion!
Your passionate defense of Wuk Lamat's english VA is invalidated by the fact you didn't show any examples to back it up.
And it's not just the Japanese VA that's better. It's ALL of them. Which make sense since that's what happens when you prioritize quality in your casting choice instead of literally anything else.
But yes you are right that the english voice DIRECTION is bad. It's been a problem that has plagued the english audio since ARR. Still doesn't change that it's a bad choice of VA for Wuk Lamat.
And now Wuk Lamat's english VA is going off the rails on social media. Saying stuff like how the song Smile is black gospel (it's not) and that you're racist if you don't like it. It would not surprise me if the VA is replaced in future updates. One can only hope. I'm really hoping for ALL of Wuk Lamat's english audio to be re-recorded with a new VA, but I know that's wishful thinking.
It's ok to put down the other voice actors like you did in this video by saying they slept through the role but criticism of the English VA of Wuk Lamat is out of bounds? I want you to listen to the final trial of Dawntrail and tell me with a straight face there is nothing wrong with that delivery. Also the reason the VA for Wuk Lamat got the majority of the criticism is because the character comprises most of the spoken dialogue and screen time of the expansion. People are paying for this game through the expansion digital boxed copy price and subscription, they are paying customers and are allowed to voice their opinion on part of a product they did not enjoy without being labelled a weeb or some other strange insult.
It certainly is so weird how people are acting towards it though I don't think I can explain from my pov of how psycho people seem to be with how much they're hating. You think she killed her dog or something like Jesus Christ people.
You don't have to like it but this level of unbridled hate is so immensely unwarranted.
I feel like the only normal person in a sea of crazy with the fandom right now
People found out that the English VA is trans so now its illegal to critic them.
@@NeoBluereaper 100%
@@NeoBluereaperpatstaresat of castlesuperbeast had the same similar rant during his review of dawntrail~ “you don’t like her voice acting because she’s trans!!!”
As if ffxiv didn’t have to change all their voice actors before because they were so bad.
@@toby6275 God damn, he's gone so down hill.
Hilariously her being trans is the ONE thing that works about her performance, as it gives a nice bass and grit, which a beastial woman SHOULD have. But her perfomance is fucking garbage.
Dawntrail MSQ showed me which people have more narcissistic tendencies over other. That is what I have learned, especially from this video. Wuk Lamat falling in love with you? LOL what?
I thought no one would talk about how fucking weird that point of falling in love with his character is, really what the fuck vibes
"and I only made one of these [words] up" the way I WHEEZED
Man, so aggressively defending the voice acting to the point of stating that detractors have no idea what sounds good to begin with. I really have to wonder what could be motivating him to make such bold statements.
the VA wasnt good, nothing to do with people being mean. There are complains because it does indeed doesn't suit well with many players, like it or not.
To top it of it, she's a nasty person which adds another layer of contrast to the other actors who aren't behaving like entitled brats.
The issues I hear regarding Wuk Lamat sound eerily similar to the issues people had with Lyse in Stormblood. In fact, a lot of narrative issues people had with Stormblood bear an eerie resemblance to Dawntrail. The comparison reaches its final form when you consider that even the people who outright despised Stormblood's writing still stuck around for the gameplay because the raids and dungeons were among the best in the game at the time.
It really is interesting to think about.
There were even posts about the content being too hard in Stormblood! History might not repeat itself but if often rhymes lol
Projared, it is ridiculous to outright dismiss the criticism of the VA work of wuk lamat. I personally felt the voice to be incredibly monotone and flat. this is a personal opinion. In my view the VA was given a bad script , bad direction. But to say they did a good job while it made me change the voices to French. Does not mean i am just being stupid. I flat-out disliked the voice without knowing the person. How can you even say that the cutscene in the final trial was anything but terrible. How can you be speaking normally while holding a giant arm above your head... I completely agree with you that people should leave the VA alone and not make fun of them. Their work suffered due to reasons out of their control. liking someone's voice though is taste. You can be the most skilled VA but if you don't land a voice that fits the character it sadly becomes a dud. To me wuk sounded way too goofy.
Haven't played or care for FF14, only watched because it's a new ProJared video.
That being said, I do not think that at this point "diegetic" can really be considered a word people use to try and sound smart, because it is frequently used and widely understood.
And Japanese is a beautiful language, there's nothing wrong with preferring hearing JP voices, even if you can't understand what is being said. Saying there's an issue with that would also throw shade at the millions, if not billions of people in the world listening to English music without understanding a word.
Also… you can understand what is being said lol. The dialogue boxes are right there. It’s like a real life Echo lol
@@henryjones411 Yeah, saying people just like noises they can't understand is like saying people who prefer the english dub just can't read fast enough for subtitles.
@@henryjones411 also the more i watch anime, subbed of course, if i turn my head i now can recognise words without subtitles because you pick it up. i also dont understand how people think i cant feel or recognise inflection/tone from a persons voice, even if you dont inherently understand it. all for one has a great villain voice, he sounds evil to me
Romancing Wuk is out of the whole fucking question
Hey Jared, Wuk‘s ENG voice still is bad, I dunno why you try to gaslight your viewers into believing they don’t know good VAing. It’s literally disrespectful and they have voiced that the VA was struggling the entire time to pitch Wuk‘s voice while recording and that it was way to stiff. The delivery and the direction just were just bad.
We know why you defend the VA, we all know it… but regardless if you are trans or not, if the audience says the VAing was bad, then it is bad.
You can defend your cooking as much as you want, but if your customers say it’s bad, then it is bad. It’s a shame that you went to white-knight the poor performance by insulting your fanbase who likes FF. Shame on you really. You could‘ve at least provided voice samples of the ‚good VAing‘ but you didn’t… which is out of character for you considering your vids about FF10 and FF12.
13:00
My thoughts exactly. As I was playing the MSQ, i was thinking about rolling a new character to play through ARR again instead of sit through more of Yawntrail, and that speaks volumes.
Not sure why this particular vid is edited like this, but it sounds off and like a really long single sentence.
probably copyright.
yeah, real amaturish vibes, and he cuts off words
It's intentional. He's presenting the video in much the same way Dawntrail presents its world building and story.
@@LadoStakesand i was still more engaged watching this video than during any part of the msq 😭💀
9:00 I'm a Wuk Lamat apologist but the English voice acting is SUPER bad. Like PS3 era bad.
Does Jared's voice seem off in this video for anyone?
His throat is sore from deepthroating
Sounds AI
Yeah seems deeper?
He might have a bit of a cold.
@@Runeinc That's what I'm hearing
Spot on. There's so much wasted potential in there. Take the cooking contest, for example - Wuk Lamat gets paired with Koana. That is the single most boring option. How much more interesting would it have been if our group got paired with Bakool Ja Ja? It was right after the kidnapping, there could've been a ton of fun back and forth between the groups, they could've fit the fight between Wuk Lamat and Bakool Ja Ja in while we were there... but no, we get to join Koana and our friends because the writers didn't have the balls to have an actual conflict between the Scions happen.
Then there's Erenville and Krile. Neither of them got enough screen time or buildup for their stories, so their segments in the final zone didn't hit anywhere near as hard as they could have. They desperately needed to focus more on the supporting cast rather than spend so much time with Wuk Lamat. And speaking of time, Dawntrail is the second-longest expansion in terms of cutscene duration. It drags on and on for SO LONG and it feels like the writers and developers badly needed to trim the fat from the story. And I'm with you on the idea of replaying ARR over this - at least you actually have stuff to do. Dawntrail has you sitting through about 4-5 hours of cutscenes before anything remotely interesting happens.
Anyway the dungeons, trials, and raids were all great. Can't wait for more of the Arcadion. My favourite raids so far, for sure.
I saw your comments, you do nothing but being discusting towards wuk lamat's actress
Your a discusting person
Hell, pairing with Bakool Ja Ja could have shown a glimpse of his true character which could have made his redemption better rather than the flat "We redeem you now because you joke and we'll ignore that you, on a whim while cackling manically, released an apocalypse beast who would've killed untold millions if not for us managing to stop it".
@@fredy2041 I have zero issues with her VA and found her likeable as a character, but if you'd like to try and back up that ridiculous accusation, you're more than welcome to :)
@@DynaChrisyou are replying to a troll. Just report them and hope they get removed. Just constantly harassing everyone in the comments.
I definitely would have HATED it if Wuk Lamat tried to romance me; as someone who is Ace/Aro, that likely would have killed the game for me. Do not try to force people into a romantic relationship in a game not about romance; let that be their choice. FFXIV doesn't have "no balls," it knows the boundaries it's not allowed to cross, and what you suggested is for the game to completely violate it.
Honestly, the entirety of the expansions narrative would have played out exactly the same even if our character just sat in our house or just chilled on the Moon watching along with a telescope
Agreed with everything until the voice acting part. Sorry you are just wrong, the VA was bad and the voice direction was even worse. But all the other characters with the same voice director didn't have similar issue(mic quality aside), its simply down to bad casting. You strawman saying people just like jp because they can't understand it is a horrible argument. There are plenty of people with the same criticisms that understand both languages, and even more playing with non JP dubs with the same opinion. Not that you even need to understand a language to appreciate a VA. You could easily go listen to the german VA for the final boss and tell that is was just done better.