The MCU Ruined The Hulk
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2022
- I feel like Kevin Feige has been gaslighting me for the past decade. So I needed to get this rant off my chest. Apologies if my voice sounds inconsistent here. I got a nasty cold halfway through this production. Anyway, Enjoy.
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Wow, this video’s been blowing up way beyond my expectations. Thank you all very much for the support, and I’m happy I could entertain you. If you stick around, I promise there will be more great things to come!
don’t feel to good about yourself you come off very snobby and “if it’s not in the comics it’s wrong” “you normies like this movie because of the hyuck hyucks” 🤓 you do realize most mcu fans don’t read the fcking comics and if u like them so much go read them this is the mcu it’s diffrent
Best video on MCU online period. Disney cannot stand the Hulk and buried him and killed him. Norton's was 1000x better. Great work
I agree with you on the infinity war part like they definitely could’ve used the Hulk to fight the black dwarf during that scene it made zero sense to make the hulk act like a scary cat
Why even bother bringing up the comics? It’s a completely separate entity. The mcu doesn’t even bother following the comics most of the time anyway . What’s next, you’re gonna start complaining about starlord’s dad being ego or Stark and Banner creating ultron? Thanos defeating the hulk was necessary to show how powerful he is. I agree the character development is lazy and unreflective but not everything needs to be beholden to the comics.
Great video. I watched it all the way through. Russo bros may not like hulk, but Ruffalo is 100% the problem. Bad casting in the beginning. Now they're stuck with him. Would love to see your take on She Hulk once it's out.
Problem with MCU's Hulk is that all of his important character development happens OFF-SCREEN inbetween big movies.
He is also weak, irrelevant and doesn't add anything to the Avengers
Basically he is there because fans like him
@@Granglife you’re kidding right?? professor hulk is legit just a phase. they’re literally gonna set up a world war hulk type movie by the end of the she hulk. y’all mfs love to hate so much you don’t even realize what’s happening🤦🏽♂️
@@Granglife Thanks for proving how remedial you are 😂😂
I would like a show a out Bruce banner trying not to get mad and his inner conflicts but its being a long time since mcu was Interested on anything without explosions and jokes sequences.
If I remember correctly, the Hulk was on loan from Sony and they wanted no onscreen development so they could do their own movie, but they never did their own movie. I think Marvel only acquired him around Ragnarök, but it seems like Ruffalo was dictating the character afterwards if they wanted him to continue to play the Hulk.
The reason why “creative differences” happened with Edward is because he wanted to stay true to the comics with Hulk. He’s a huge fan of Marvel and wanted to be the most comic book accurate Hulk he could be, but they wouldn’t let him take over some of the production to do that. So blame the film studio he worked with. Not him.
This!
I’m really,REALLY starting to hate the mass commercialization of comics for the general audience with no respect for the originals
Ed Norton was hard to work with and that's why he practically fell off of the Hollywood "it" list. He was a primadonna. I hope he learned his lesson and will be back some day.
@@aerickmon3350 MCU fans eat it up too. Don''t get me wrong, I do like when movies make certain changes from the source material(Raimi Spider-Man films, Civil War, Infinity War), but at no point should these films lose the essence of what the source material is trying to convey.
@@aerickmon3350 Then there's the whole 616 earth. And now everyone calls MCU 616..
To be kinda fair.
Hulk in the avengers is really a very different character then when alone.
The whole deal between Banner and Hulk makes it so that the Hulk can be active even when not enraged (since his mental powers ALSO grow with is anger).
But, yeah, solo Hulk needs to be chased to work well.
Current Hulk is the literal embodiment of everything wrong with the MCU. Jokes, action, nothing serious. No stakes. Just a safe adventure for the whole family. Never mind the fact that Marvel's comics have always been leaned towards mature stories.
Mature dank stories
How are jokes and action bad?
@@quangamershyguyyz7166they’re not, they’re just over used
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 they are not bad, but you can have Guardians of the Galaxy for that. Thor could be fantasy, with magic and amazing prose. Hulk fits well for drama. Not every superhero movie should feel like a Guardians rip off. Before that movie Marvel was more varied in the types of stories they told.
Even then the Gaurdians were turned into bastard parodies of what they once were as well
Opening Infinity War with Hulk getting beat so bad that it causes a psychological crisis and then never revisiting it or having a rematch of any kind is simply unforgivable writing
the writers are projecting their ED 😂
thats why dc is better
@@skyssleepyLMAO no, no they're not, not at ALL 😂
@@MrCageCat atleast they didnt fuck up the hulk
@@skyssleepycuz they didn't have any hulk to ruin
The worst part was that they actually wrote hulk into infinity war, they showed him bursting out of the armor and advertised it as such. They even filmed a scene with hulk in endgame where he is saving citizens from a fire. If these were included this could have been the “professor hulk” so that by the end of endgame could feature the planet breaker. They teased his revenge and didn’t play it through. His “love interest” dies and he has a building collapse on him. If there was ever a world breaker moment that was it. But instead he throws a bench.
Yeah, not gonna lie I'd proabaly trade that whole captain marvel makes thanos use his other hand BS scene for just some good old fashioned hulk ripping and tearing. I love infinity war to death but It's truly the one thing that urked me about those films
@@corvistein9016 but don’t you love how powerful she was and how, in a world where women too often tear each other down, that all the female characters left their respective positions on the battlefield to come and tell her she wasn’t alone and that girls really do get it done?
The Worldbreaker ? Did you mean the Benchthrower ?
Also, Professor Hulk never was Bruce Banner. It was Hulk. A more grown up Hulk, but still Hulk.
@@sahb8091 no
As a big fan of the Hulk from the comics, animated films and other forms of media, it kinda hurts to watch how the MCU is writing him in their new content. The character has a lot of potential to be an interesting topic to focus on for a movie but it's like they want to continue to disregard him.
Not true at all by contract hulk cannot be in his own movie or show just supporting cast they can’t do anything about it n how they discarding him but making a show with him n she hulk
@@hunterkaminsky1046 I wasn’t aware of the potential contract issues but in that case I guess it does make sense
@@Dlyles16 what contract if you don’t mind me askin
Imagine if we get immortal hulk in the MCU
@@Mr.PanamaHimself basically marvel can make a hulk movie but universal has the right to distribute the movie and I believe they get all profits off of it
Hulk losing to Thanos felt kind of... weightless
Like, he literally just lost to Iron man in age of ultron and was the underdog against Thor. Him losing to the Mad Titan, with or without stones made sense but having lost twice already makes it feel like he's pretty weak now.
Yeah and he couldn't scratch Surtr at all in Ragnarok...
@@amiablereaper well you already know The Hulk is strong so it doesn't really matter
@@FazeRustyNuts yeah but he kinda just got outscaled
Doesn't matter how strong u are if every new guy beats your ass to establish dominance
I remember watching that scene thinking "Why the hell are they boxing like regular humans?"
@@Caleb6000I was thinking the exact same FUCKING THING!!!!!
They sacked Norton precisely because of things you laid out in the video. He wanted to keep Banner and Hulk as darker characters, Disney wanted to go another route.
As a normie MCU fan, thanks for this. I found myself caring less and less as the movies went on, and I stopped caring altogether after Endgame, but never really knew why. This gave me a lot of perspective from behind the curtain and put it into words.
Take care.
I'm with you. I haven't cared about the MCU since Endgame.
Dinsy doesn't own the hulk movies lol wonder why we didn't get a movie of him yet?
You're not a marvel fan you just said it your an mcu fan
Don't own Spiderman either but he's yet to be butchered like the Hulk. Watch this space, Spiderwoman or Miles Morales will eventually belong to Disney and Parker will get obliterated
"Not all comics are good and worth adapting." Most important thing said in this video. I'm so tired of people saying that stuff is good because it happened in the comics when everyone hated the comics.
At least improve the crap comics since it's a second chance.
Yeah, I remember seeing people do that to excuse Jane Foster Thor in the movies 'because it happened in the comics'. Want to know what else happened in the comics? Carol Danvers gets brain washed by a dude from another dimension who impregnates her with himself, she gives birth to him, he rapidly ages into an adult and takes her back to his dimension to be his bride with the Avengers being just completely fine with their team mate suddenly being pregnant, an instantaneous birth and her 'son' taking her to another dimension to marry her. Do you want THAT in the MCU just because it was in the comics?
@@MysteriousTomJenkins people dont understand comics throw everything against the wall production. If it stinks you're supposed to memory hole it, not throw millions of dollars at it.
universal hulk from 2003 was way to faithful to the hulk even had transition scenes that looks like pages from a comic book turning in every scene still one of the best hulks but my childhood hulk and what got me into the character was Lou Ferrigno's hulk from the 80s and even his short lived 90's animated version. i agree not everything come from the comics including the garbage that's coming out these days but what disney marvel has been putting out hasn't been good either.
@@Oldschool1943 what does that have to do with what I said? Of course I want them to adapt good comics, the problem is that they justify making bad movies by adapting bad ones and roping them in with the good.
I think the most heartbreaking thing is that Ruffalo at some point kinda just stopped caring about the character. Go back and watch his first few appearances as Banner. The writing may be problematic and up for debate, but he absolutely nails the acting for what they were trying to do.
Now he's just cashing in the paycheck. He's also lowkey become a Disney shill, but that's another conversation.
He never cared. Hes a sellout hack that always took great glee in the fans being annoyed. His range allows him to play one character: mark ruffalo. Hes talentless and his whole career only exists because hes a shill
Nah, he's a terrible actor.
He is too busy virtue signalling on twitter
@@patrik3482No he's not. Let's not resort to hyperbole.
I felt like I was the only person that thought they killed the real Hulk. You really summed it up. Thank you for putting this together.
Nope, you're not. Go on old hulk videos on UA-cam and you'll see that many people, including myself was pissed at this. I've went on countless rants about how the MCU got worse, and hulk was fucked. Thor got fucked. Loki got fucked. Dr. Strange losing to Spiderman? Please! Spiderman doesn't stand a chance against Dr. Stange.
@@jairesemccoy9779 And it’s nice to hear someone be so frank about Ragnarok. A grim film that is only remarkable for forcing a joke every forty seconds, but the press and marvel fan pages adore the film for making all characters involved better than they were before. It’s fine if people enjoy the solitary experience, but they shouldn’t begin using technical rationale when it can’t exist.
@@jairesemccoy9779 Yeah, Thor Ragnorok should've been the only film taika waititi directed. It was a fresh new view on the character, but we all new it would get old after one movie. Infinity war kind of balanced the humor and the serious rage he has very well, they don't make him joke too much, but still make him joke a little bit, showing us how Thor copes with so much loss. Thor love and thunder did zero effort to progress on Thor's arc. He just got dumber, he got humiliated, Jane got to kick some ass(because she's a strong and independent female character), and after Jane dies everything goes back to normal. Except Thor is taking care of Gorr's daughter, and obviously she's gonna take the mantle of Thor, I'm almost a hundred percent sure. And now, Thor always has to be this goofy dumb character because now, he has a child he needs to take care of. So of course he can't be the serious Thor we got before. And the asguardians of the galaxy is down the drain now, so we can forget about that.
They made a reflection of Mark Rufalo, rather than the embodiment of the comic-book hero. It's so sad that they chose to vandalize the material right when cgi got good enough to realize these characters in full. No more cheesie mockups and toys in bathtubs kind of stuff.
I remember when they tried to use the storytelling to make up for visual shortcomings. Now they can render anything they can imagine, only they lost their imagination and story-telling skills.
@@KingTea2006Taika deserved a 2nd movie after Ragnarok. Love and Thunder marked his expiration date.
Something I've said, especially after Infinity War, was how Hulk simply wasn't as dynamic or memorable any longer. He wasn't frightening. He wasn't this force of nature who could potentially due the most amazing things of anyone. I believe what he lacked was his transformations. Not from Hulk to Banner, but Banner to Hulk. When we saw this in 2008 and Avengers, and even 2003, his transformations were incredible. Left this lasting impression like 'Holy shit! That's ridiculous and terrifying'. Made for great body horror and was an awesome display of power. Hulk to Banner was depowering
You make a GREAT point, why does the MCU not show us Banner turning into the Hulk much at all?? It's mostly Hulk calming down back into Banner, which is far less visually impressive or scary as seeing a human transform into a big hulking monster, is Marvel just not talented enough with CGI to give us good a transformation or do they just care so little about the Hulk as a character? either way it's disappointing and not what he deserves of.
@@webbedshadow2601 Well, like the man pointed out in the video, they want the Hulk out of the spotlight. But you know She Hulk will have PLENTY of transformations. A beautiful woman growing big and strong? Anything but that!*sarcastic eyeroll*
@@furrybogard9724 shits so lame i remember being a kid watching hulk fuck loki up & falling in love with him and now bro has control and he was getting whooped in the movie smh nobody cares about she hulk with all due respect fix the characters we already have
@@webbedshadow2601 ¿?
It's kind of a shame how the OP doesn't even bother mentioning Ang Lee's adaptation of the Hulk. Idk how faithful it was to the comics but I feel like it was a more interesting take on the character considering that it's framed as a tragedy. Banner doesn't even come to terms with Ross in that movie.
And now She Hulk basically desecrated his grave.
Sad
Yeah she and Megan stallion twerked on it
I’ve always seen the hulks downfall symbolized by the hulk slowly losing his color. He went from a dark green in the first movie to a really light/whitish green that looks faded and sad.
Disney ruined the Hulk when they realized they didn’t have to make good movies anymore to get people to watch them
1000% agree with every word you said. The Hulk is nothing more than a joke for the MCU. I hated that whole “they did professor hulk in the comics”. As if “they did it in the comics” automatically means something is good. Like you said, it was a short lived comic. Now we have She-Hulk.. to further bury The Hulk into the ground. Another case of the MCU wanting to make every OG hero a joke. I’m so happy they didn’t ruin Captain America. They got to Thor though..
They didn’t do it to iron man
WHOA! Didn't think I'd see YOU here :))))
Bro they could bring back Savage Hulk anytime they want lmao it’s simply the way the character has progressed in the MCU. If we complain enough they’ll eventually listen, example: No Way Home retconning Iron Boy Jr into Spiderman by the end 😂😂
@Your Minecraft Girlfriend the first two Thor movies were kinda bad tho
@Your Minecraft Girlfriend not even remotely true
This video was extremely accurate and it’s sucks to see my favorite marvel character screwed over like this especially when he started off great. It’s crazy seeing all of the mcu characters slowly getting assassinated.
Which part was the accurate part?
Which MCU characters are getting assassinated other than hulk?
@@user-sh1gy2oe5f Thor, somewhat Dr.strange
@@deckzone3000 did you not watch the video?
It's order 66 all over again.
Not only Hulk is nerfed but his supporting characters like Rick Jones and Doc Samson are forgotten??? They’re important to the Hulk’s Mythos…
Why?
Why this video blew up is because you touched a nerve in all longstanding Hulk fans. They know how complex, nuanced and powerful he is in the comics and how MCU completely wasted his potential.
When they set up the "we worked it out" thing in endgame, I thought for sure at some point it would be the hulk tricking Banner or Banner tricking the hulk to lower their defences so they can get full control. Like maybe Banner's been quietly working on a cure in a deep meditative state undetected by Hulk's part of the brain, which leads to disaster and the hulk breaks free at the worst point of the movie and he realises he'll never be free. Though I do like how they explroed Hulk wanting to be loved in Ultron then Ragnarok and now as this superstar. Who knows, maybe Doom will unleash the hulk as he takes over the world with kang. But right now the character's paused
good if they go Maestro Hulk
You forgot the scene at the end of Avengers when Loki and a bunch of Chitauri seemed to be overwhelming him with concentrated fire, just before Stark put the bomb through the gate. And the thing they never even tried to develop was the way he's supposed to get stronger when he gets angrier.
True, but even in the comics just like in real life, you can only be so angry. Anger has a limit, once it hits it limit, your body naturally calms you down or shuts you down with seizures or brain hemorrhage. This happen to bill a couple of times fighting against Juggernaut where Juggernaut tested Hulk’s rage where Hulk eventually reverted back to Bruce and Juggernaut gets confused on where Hulk went, allowing Bruce to sneak off. There were other villains that tested Hulk’s rage as well.
@@Unchainedful There isn't really much of a comparison between real life and comics when talking about the hulk specifically (with a few exceptions). As much of a beating he's taken in the comics, Hulk in my opinion is arguably not just human, but a mutate. He has a healing factor which would imply that his anger technically doesn't have a maximum capacity unless writers vigorously downplay him for storyline purposes. Honestly, the MCU has continued to beat the shit out of the character repeatedly. The Hulkbuster scene alone made a tear roll down my face.
@@Unchainedful Your comment doesn't really make much sense in this context
I knew I wasn't the only one that hated Hulk just being a giant Bruce Banner in Avengers Endgame...Instead of just the normal Hulk that movie gowers and comic book fan's adore but I'll admit that the MCU does have a major problem with establishing the Hulk and setting up his rules
Just Hulk?
@@mafeuk Forgot to mention Bruce Banner is a joke of a character after Avengers 2012
@@optimascrime5235 same as Thor. Now he's just a goofball
@@optimascrime5235 the MCU won't make anymore Hulk movies. They keep making excuses, saying that Universal won't allow them,, blah blah blah blah.........
@@UnknownDude95 Disney's going broke, That's their excuse
"He'll Smash Anybody that interferes with his peace" was unintentionally or intentionally a sick AF Hulk line.
For those saying that the comics dont have to be followed and the movies can deviate, while thats true, thats not the point. In fact, he even made a point that some comic material isn't quality and should not be in the MCU. The reason he brought up the comics is to show an example of the same story being told, but better, and how they existed, but weren't utilized in a way that highlights what made them successful.
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But the MCU is dog shit regardless...
Right. The movies should literally just be a reel of the comics you like, with all the stuff you didn't like cut out, and nothing else changed.
Or you could just read the comics you like again and let the movies have their own interpretation.
@@Puzzles-Pins Nobody said that
I think a good comparison would actually be how Spider-Verse subverts what it means to be Spider-Man. It's a movie where there's literally like 6 different versions of him from vastly different timelines and as entirely different people (even as a Pig) but the core of the character isn't about how Spider-Man needs to be Peter specifically, they just need to be able to have his willpower to keep going. No matter how many times he is knocked down or fighting someone way stronger than him he always gets back up because he has the power to do so.
"With great power comes great responsibility" and so on.
MCU breaking the Jekyl and Hyde aspect to Banner/Hulk kind of defeats the point of the character. You could do a retelling where Banner is a different age, race, gender etc but so long as that Jekyl and Hyde aspect is in tact then the core of the characters is still there.
Being a huge Hulk fan thank you for this. There was an episode of the Avengers animated series where the Hulk gets so angry he lifts ip Manhattan island. That’s the Hulk I grew up with, the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets
Avengers Assemble I think
That wasn't bad, but I did feel like they reduced the characters to sitcom characters at times. And now they're doing the same thing with the movies.
@Peter Quinones That's why I always felt Thanos should've killed Natasha in full view of Hulk. Then an epic fight follows. With Hulk besting Thanos in some exchanges and a noticeable expression of shock of thanos' face. But with Hulk ultimately losing.
Exactly and the fact that he couldn't even get angry anymore was atrocious
@@leef9834 I actually was thinking of changing the way to get the soul stone. Instead of someone falling to their death, you have to actually fight them and take their life.
The 2003 Hulk was my personal favourite. It explored the tragedy of Banner's past and emotional trauma that could be limitless. Also the fact that Hulk could get progressively more and more angry, resulting in him getting even bigger and stronger. The sheer brutality displayed by Hulk felt truly impactful and there were good moments of character, like him using a tank's cannon barrel like a clubbing weapon or him accidentally hitting himself in the nuts lifting a tank's turret. The actress for Betty, Jennifer Connelly, is beautiful and seemingly fit into that role like a glove. Her interactions with her military-man father played out really well.
And the mirror scene with Bana was fantastic.
17:25 They could have *easily* had Hulk fight the children of Thanos, charging in with a couple of them clinging onto him, he starts winning despite there being at least three of them before Thanos enters the fight and takes down Hulk.
That way Hulk is built up and Thanos’ victory is more impactful as Hulk was shown as a force to be reckoned with.
Damn that’s mean writing bro, thanos beats hulk and Thor in the comics easily too
But then he has a redemption in endgame with his famous line hulk is strongest there is instead of captain marvel coming to do some bullcrap lol
@moonknight4053 No one is arguing that. But at least let him beat _something_ before having him charge into the walking nuclear bunker blast door that is Thanos.
@@christiancinnabars1402 Hard bro that’s true too, and sorry “mean” means “cool, awesome, etc” where I’m from! Haha
The mcu is shit now so no point in them making movies, they ruined Thor in his older movies and hulk was boring in the mcu. But long live marvel before it was the mcu!!!
The MCU has never figured out how to distinguish it’s different heroes-especially as the roster grows. They all seem to be either invincible or weak depending on the plot. I’m not a comic book fan and didn’t really know much about the characters prior to the movies, but those early “episodes” were very enjoyable and I grew to care about some of them. I stopped watching after endgame but the characters now largely feel interchangeable to me. So I think what happened to Bruce/Hulk is likely evidence of a more widespread lack of care
ua-cam.com/video/HrbnLA0ZQss/v-deo.html LMAOOO
Very true
I get exactly what you're saying, and I started noticing this issue when they incorporated Spider-Man into the MCU. Don't get me wrong, I like Tom Holland as Peter/Spidey and I liked the dynamic between him and Iron-Man(though I do understand some of the criticism). But my biggest problem with MCU Spider-Man is just how much he feels like a "spoke on the wheel". His character has no individual gravitas. His character isn't written to be too imposing in the Avenger movies where he could feel like a stand-out either within the storyline and/or the action. He just feels like another guy on the team.
His movies don't stand out from the rest either. Say what you want about the Raimi and Webb movies, but back when those movies were coming out, it felt like a grand event every time a new Spider-man movie came out. Now it just feels like MCU Movie number ____. It's good? Doesn't matter. It's bad? Doesn't matter. It just comes and goes. He may as well be Ant-Man. He may as well be Shang Chi. Who cares? It's just another MCU movie. No Way Home was the only time it felt like I was watching a "Spider-Man movie" and not a "MCU movie". Not that there's anything inherently wrong with having your movies or your character become so....MCU-fied, but I just expect more oomph from Marvel's most important character.
@@bikramarora1819 I think the MCU has become a victim to its own success. The crossovers should be special and for a while the team ups were cool. But now everything they’re doing needs to tie in to everything else so it’s not any ONE character’s arc; all must be told in service of the larger goal. As DC movies have proved, people can handle several versions of their favorites going at once. I wish Marvel had figured out how to leave at least some properties in their own sandbox so they could breathe a bit without the pressure of how it all fits in.
@@ellicel The oversaturation of their content, in my opinion, is the BIGGEST problem they're currently facing. 5 movies and 10 shows a year is too much. To me, irregardless of the quality of the content, half of these shows and movies are dead on arrival. Why? Because they either don't need to exist, needed more time in the oven, or should've been spaced out to give people a breather.
And how do they decide to solve it? By announcing EVEN MORE shows and movies over the next 3 years. 2 freaking Avengers movies over 6 months. Great. That's exactly what we needed.
Despite not being apart of the MCU, Ang lee understood the Hulk a lot better than most who wrote or directed the character. He was able to beautifully set the differences between Bruce and Hulk by showcasing that duality. He also was able to use Hulk as that physical manifestation of all of Bruce’s anger, frustration, and abuse. An important factor that the MCU severely failed in showing. While the 2003 film tends to be trashed on, it’s probably the most faithful live-action iteration of the character we’ll ever see. Bruce is always at war with himself and that’s always been a consistent factor for the character that I wish we can go back to in the future.
I whole heartedly agree with this post. Ang Lee understood the Hulk. However the direction of where the movie went was way out into left field.
TAKE IT ALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!
To be fair Ang Lee just copied a specific storyline from the 90s which ultimately led to Prof Hulk. Not knocking it, just pointing it out
@@eyezj7412 I actually wasn’t aware of that, but not necessarily a bad thing since it is the source material.
@GOHAM not really no hence why the film flopped.
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Hulk-buster suit winning was a huge mistake. Ragnarök turned him into a child. Infinity War stuff worst of all, didn't allow him to even be a hero anymore. He was my favorite MCU Avenger, now...idk, I guess Rocket is still cool.
I'd agree, but I like the Hulk-buster suit more purely on aesthetics and badassery.
They wanna sell those Hulk-buster toys. No kids would want it if it lost to Hulk
@@fkyfky0208 fuck them kids
Mfw the Hulk Buster does its job.
Man, really hits home. Hulk and flash are amongst my top 10 favorite comic book heroes. Having to watch both hulk and flash be murdered in live action adaptations has been very frustrating and disappointing
As someone who knows just a little about the Flash, does he ever trip like in justice league?
@@jeanrushmer8192 yeah
I absolutely loved Hulk growing up over the years, some of my favorite adaptations of The Green Goliath were Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, the 1982 Hulk television series, The Hulk Vs movie, Next Avengers H.O.T, Ultimate Avengers 1 & 2 & the 1990s Cartoon, it’s a damn shame what The Russos have done to this iconic character
@@jeanrushmer8192 depends if you're talking about Wally West or Barry Allen
Absolutely embarrassing how Flash's first solo movie that has been in development hell for years is just Batman No Way Home instead
In my opinion Hulk is strongest in 2008 and 2012 but in 2015 and 2018/2019, he could be improved a lot.
Hulk was pretty good in 2015.
Same , people shit on the Incredible Hulk but that was the best we’ve seen him imo and personally I think he’s best in Avengers (2012)
It's so funny because, to me, 2008 Hulk (MCU or not) was extraordinarily weak compared to even current, neutered Credible Hulk. He would have been killed with a flick of a finger from current Hulk (given that, this Hulk was smashing Jeeps while current Hulk is supporting massive mounds of island with one shoulder and equalling the same Thor who stood in front of the full force of a neutron star). And yet he had the savagery, he had the anger, the loneliness. He was Hulk. The new 'Hulk' is really Banner who killed Hulk off screen and is wearing his big green CGI body like a skinsuit to puppeteer as he cringes at actual displays of anger and cites facts and logic to beat you.
@J 1283 He's not on Thor's level.
Hell even in 2017 he was still pretty good but 2018 and 19 kinda killed the vibe
It’s incredible how Thor was taken down by a taser. Do the writers know who Thor is?
Also, keep in mind that in the comics, Professor Hulk was not just a merging of Bruce and Hulk's body, but their MIND as well, and that included Grey Hulk/Joe Fixit as well. Professor Hulk had Bruce's intelligence, Fixit's cunning tactical mind and humor, and Savage Hulk's compassion (something that most people gloss over. Despite it all, Savage Hulk is arguable one of the most benevolent characters in Marvel. It's just that the whole world relentlessly attacks him). Also, the story where the merging happens is one of my all time favorite stories (The Incredible Hulk #377).
Later on Professor Hulk would be retconned into being a new personality in Bruce's psyche.
The Professor Hulk in the movies is just Banner Hulk, from the Bill Mantlo era, but worse. At least Mantlo's version had Bruce fearing that Savage Hulk would ultimately take over... Which he did and led to one of Hulk's greatest battles in the comics.
I will admit that I love Thor Ragnarok. It's a comfort movie by this point. And I like Hulk in it. But I won't lie. They heinously butchered the character and one of his most iconic storylines. And it's a damn shame.
Hulk should've fought thanos instead of Wanda.
No I disagree, we already saw Hulk fight Thanos. It would be the same thing all over again. Iron man being the one that defeats Thanos in the end is a great way to end his character arc. The better idea would have been to defeat Cull Obsidian. There was a good scene where Hulk busts out of the Hulk Buster suit but that was deleted. He should have been the one to pound him and kick his ass in Endgame. Instead Drax, and Giant Man defeat him. That was the real hulk disappointment with Endgame. Hulk does nothing almost nothing in Endgame except be the one to bring everyone back with the first snap, he War Machine and Rocket, and fight some outrider monsters. Who cares about outrider monsters?!!
@@biguy617 I never said that hulk would be the one to defeat thanos in the end, i'm saying he should've had gotten Wanda's moment where she started attacking thanos and he had to rain fire. As for the claim it would've ended the same, that's simply not true. First off the mcu seems to treat professor hulk as a more powerful version of what we've seen before, so there's no telling how he would've done. Secondly, hulk getting a rematch with thanos and having the upper hand on him would've been a perfect end to his character arc. The movie already setup that hulk and banner lost twice and blame themeselves for the snap specifically because they couldn't beat thanos. If they get another shot at him and prove to be more powerful not only would that restore hulk to the powerhouse he once was, but it would also make that come back full circle. "We didn't lose this time." It would also add way more weight to hulk's overarching character arc. In every movie he was basically the nuclear option, somebody who was too dangerous to be used friviolously. Now we would finally get to see what a controlled non harmful hulk is like in the mcu. Cull obsidian is alright but we literally already saw hulk beat him😂😂😂. Having hulk beat him again would be boring, pointless, and serve nothing for his character arc.
Oooo wow hulk. Cap lifted mjolnir, hawkeye got his own series, Tony saved the universe, thor got another movie, and widow sacrificed herself and got her own movie. All the other founding members got epic moments and ends to their charactsr arcs but we're gonna have you beat the same guy Bruce fought in the last movie. 💀💀💀. Cull obsidian would be a horrible choice. That would've been even more disappointing than what we got. Thor should've snapped and hulk should've fought thanos. Hulk's best place would've been giving thanos the 1-2 combo.
@@lightning10053 Wanda’s fight against Thanos was one of the best parts of the movie. It shows she is a stronger female character than the one they were bragging to be the strongest p, Captain Marvel. She is a more interesting character too.
@@biguy617 Hulk's fight against thanos would've been even better. And Wanda didn't need that moment at all considering that she got Wanda vision which not only gave her the spotlight but proved that this scene did nothing for her as a character. She also got a long list of moments in multiverse of madness further proving that she didn't need that moment whatsoever. Hulk on the other hand hasn't got anything truly epic to his name since age of Ultron. Thir ragnarok didn't even give him much to do character or power wise. Wanda also got plenty more moments that prove she's the strongest female character, so again she didn't need this. And being more interesting that Brie larson's captain marvel isn't very hard 😂. Honestly mcu Wanda is a terrible person. Hulk is a more interesting character and he's supposed to be the strongest avenger yet they don't let him show it.
@@lightning10053 Hulk has an injury from the first Snap. In order for him to do round two against Thanos, Thor would have to be the one to bring everyone back. He wasn’t in the right mindset to do that. It would mean rewrite for him to not be fat. What is wrong with Hulk getting round 2 against Cull Obsidian instead. That makes more sense than a fight against Thanos that will be no different than round one.
Absolutely agreed.
It was disgusting to see how they treated Stan Lee's favourite character.
Seeing him behaving like a coward in Endgame was truly painful and then the "professor hulk" BS was the final nail on the coffin.
It's pretty hard to make endgame and infinity war perfect. I'm sure the hulk will get more development and more character arc later on in phases 5 and 6. The Russos still did a damn good job at giving everyone meaningful arcs in phase 4 (except thor) and infinity war and endgame are still some of the most enjoyable movies to watch.
The so called professor hulk is more like hipster hulk. The clearly mishandled him. Wheres hi dark past, how did he get over his trauma, where is his love intrest betty, whats his relationship with thunderbolt ross and Emilie, is he able to talk to his many split personalities? Marvel lets make him crack jokes and sound stupid. All the leg work was done by tony and hulk being as smart as he is is made into a comedy. His only purpose was to weild the gauntlet. I would have loved to see banner and the hulk have a friendship and finally be able to transfer control at will rather than do away with the chracter completely.
@@KingSlayer_. You will consume and be happy
@Mason Schulli Debatable.
Spiderman was surely one of his favourites, like the Hulk, but some say it was actually SIlver Surfer (despite being a Jack Kirby character). So who knows?
I understood why he was afraid of Thanos.
I was an idiot genuinely believing they would move Hulk towards a World Breaker Hulk or Maestro but nah they instead made the Hulk play second banana to She-Hulk. RIP Hulk
I went around so many places warning people after thanos gave him that fat L. That Hulk is in danger of never recovering if the MCU fan base stay quiet about it, they did.
They made the Hulk a little too 'gorilla-like' in the Avengers movie for my tastes.
Loki was the reason for the rampage on the helicarrier. That was why he wanted to be captured in the first place, which the movie actually did explain.
Your video assessment was spot on. Even made points I didn't realize in my own personal disdain and analysis. The Hulk is one of Marvel's most popular characters as well as having one of the most complex and tragic storylines. I thoroughly enjoyed your video but it also made me more sad about how they've deconstructed one of my favorite fictional characters, and the world's. He deserves so much better than this, so much! I pray we (fans ) get some harmonious closure to The Hulk in the future, something that redeems our green Goliath in a grander fashion. I'll stay hopeful, until then we've still got the literature. "Hulk is the strongest there is." 💪
Facts. Hulk Is the the ultimate Goliath in Green and he deserves way better than this trash ass delivery of films so far and I'm sad and furious about the way the mcu has portrayed the Hulk. I still can't believe that this is even happening to the Big guy. Its so ridiculous that to me that I almost feel like someone in the mcu hates the Hulk character and is trying to remove him from the mcu altogether at thus point. 😔 maybe if enuf of us Hulk fans voice our thoughts on this matter hopefully someone of importance will actually do something to turn thus ish around while there still a chance to resolve this mess and redeem the Hulk and make him Incredible once again. Please 🙏
not fully spot on he faiel to point there mor then one hulk mind the cocis prof this deaht battle shwo comcis clip if 10 hulks say it deond on witch hulk si inc ontorl mcu knwo this so it easy huk to be godo and bad to do 10 hulk minds come you guys really nee read comic as you dont knwo these htings
@@ssjgotenks2009 I actually can't read what you wrote , I would have a stroke trying
wait until the day MCU go broke, then Disney sell the rights to other studios. then, pray the other studio have in mind to respect the source material and the project would be run by a director with freedom and competence.
until then, don't waste energy hoping to get a Hulk movie while MCU have the right.
With The current state of The MCU & Hulk, we won’t be getting a proper closure any time soon
I was one of a few who did not like Thor: Ragnarok. I didn't like that it mocked the characters so much and treated everything as a joke. The people who encouraged Taika Waititi for this movie are largely responsible for Thor Love and Thunder, imo. Everything bad that Waititi did in Ragnarok was multiplied in Love and Thunder.
Yeah and to me a lot of the jokes in thor ragnarok didn't land personally
Yeah love and thunder was so bad
Ragnarok was terrible. The Twilight of the gods was made a punchline.
It’s a movie about superheroes in space, i think it would be pretty stupid if it took itself too seriously haha, like why does everyone speak english and know american culture on another planet?? love and thunder was too much but ragnarok threads the needle incredibly well
Bad as it was, I think it was serviceable and entertaining by itself.
"Its like the writers were actively insulting me for enjoying the source materiel." Yes, that's pretty much it. Almost everyone behind the MCU, comic book movies in general, and hell even the comic book companies, for nearly 3 decades now have hated the medium as a whole, the history behind it, and the people that enjoyed it.
But why? Why do these guys hate the comicbook medium? Why are they so embarrassed about the medium?
"It should be a major event whenever The Hulk appears and his presence should make a big difference in any given encounter."
This pretty well sums up how I feel about Thanos lately, I still remember when Thanos was a big deal and him showing up meant shit was fucked but for a while he felt expected to show up because of the MCU. More often than not he was still treated as a major threat, but some of his mystique was taken away
I agree with you here they did the hulk dirty in the mcu.
Finally my fellow Hulk fans and supporters are bringing to light the facts and details as to how slowly but surely the MCU has all but Butchered one of the most iconic and powerful Super heros in The Marvel universe. But still no explanation as to why the f writers and directors decided to ruin the Green Goliath by making him a mere shell of his tru self and hide all his many abilities and powers leaving fans and newbies to think he's nothing special because he's always getting his ass handed to him like he's a big green wimp with no brain or 2 much brain and at this point I'd rather see him killed off then continue to see him in films anymore because his persona originality and character has been totally screwed up and it just sucks and I'm beyond frustrated by this bs version of the Hulk in most films leading up to Avengers Endgame witch was the last straw 4 me. So much I can't even watch the the film again I mean damn wth is up with the writers who seem to be hating on the Hulk being a major factor in any story line he is a part of or do they just have no clue who the Hulk is and what level of Capabilities bruce banner actually has and I seriously hope that someone or something changes the direction of his character and quick b4 it's too late to recreate the Big guy in Green and ultimately give him the respect and acknowledgement he deserves along with the film and or series to reflect that theory. The Incredible Hulk is supposed to be What his name says Incredible and there is absolutely nothing Incredible at all about the Hulk that we Hulk fans have been given so Marvel studios stop fn around and get it rite. Hulk out !!!!
@@ezekielespinosa7762 I can’t thank you enough for this this long in depth response to my agreement you are talking nothing but straight facts here and I agree with you 100 percent.
@@ezekielespinosa7762 Hulk and Thor were 2 of my favourites, MCU butchered both. At least Thor started of well but Ragnarok fucked them both
@@eyezj7412 true smh
@@eyezj7412 agreed.
Hulk not getting revenge on Thanos was one thing that really disappointed me about IW. him throwing the bench when black widow died was just so underwhelming too, especially when I first saw it. I thought, ah here we go he's gonna get pissed now. And then literally a bench throw...
How would he get revenge when even in the comics hulk gets dogwalked by thanos rather quickly or gets made into his pet
@@Chief_kemosabe alternate universe.
@@Chief_kemosabe he didn't have to defeat Thanos per se, but we never get to see the hulk fight ever again. Even the fight with the big dude was so stupid, he used the arm to trap the guy (which I guess was a callback to age of ultron) and then rocketed him into the shield barrier. That in my opinion was hulks time to shine and come out and redeem himself from getting stomped in the beginning. I didn't care to see Ruffalo in a hulk buster suit fight, I wanted to see him get angry
Bruh in endgame hulk is a character called “Smart Hulk” in the comics. He isn’t supposed to go on a rampage and destroy half of new york city. Plus story wise how would hulk raging in that situation work. Do the avengers have to defeat hulk and thanos at the same time? Idk what ur tryna say dude haha
@@woohyukchoi4316 so you're cool with hulk getting cucked and never redeeming himself? I don't care about the comics. As far as the films go, there was no real payoff for the hulk in the MCU. Banner doing whatever he did, "smart hulk" or hulk buster was not a satisfying payoff for me personally. And then what was up with the black widow story? A damn bench throw is cool too?
You’ve said just about everything I have, and even more, as it concerns my frustration with how the Hulk has been treated. I’ve always hated that just about everybody gave Thanos a better fight than Hulk and I’ve always thought the death of Black Widow was an opportunity for a power up, even a worldbreaker level up, for Hulk. When I saw that the bench throw was his response, I was flatlined.
I think a huge part of the MCU putting humor any chance they get into their movies and spinning serious scenes to have humor is a significant reason why we can't take some character's transformations/character progression seriously. I mean look at the new Thor movie for instance, my thought after watching that movie was "this is downright goofy, Idk if I can take Thor seriously at all." That feeling "creeped" in during the Thor Ragnarok movie, but was solidified in the latest one. I had the same feeling with the hulk as more and more mcu movies were dished out. It was very sad to see him written into a scaredy-cat into end-game when I wanted to take him seriously, but the "we have a hulk" line really meant nothing at all by then. I think what the MCU directors/producers have to learn is that humor is good, but don't turn every serious scene into having some joke or humor attached to it so characters can seem more impactful and drive home their more serious personalities.
And the worst thing is that everyone glorifies this formula To the point of saying that every superhero movie should imitate it, that is not true, what makes a movie of this genre good is the story and adaptation, not this comedy and treatment of terrible characters
Ever since Ragnarok, the MCU has been overloaded with bathos. They're so afraid of letting the audience sit and feel something. Frankly, it's insulting that they don't believe we'll keep watching if they ever stop jangling keys at us.
Professor Hulk was chosen to do the return snap because of the gamma radiation released by the snap and Hulk being created with gamma radiation. That snap should have got rid of Professor Hulk and amplified Bruce's Hulkness giving Hulk a new form because his body needs to heal and deal with a sudden intense surge of gamma radiation, which leads to a new larger, angrier and stronger Hulk that is more than capable of throwing hands with Thanos. It makes sense that Thanos beat up Hulk, but with Hulk back stronger and bigger he can have his revenge on Thanos by allowing Hulk to have his "fun". His new Hulk design would change with him being taller, larger and having a disgustingly high amount of muscle making him more of a monster than regular Hulk.
But for some reason marvel/Disney likes to write gamma radiation killing him/harming him like in the civil war 2 comic he gets killed by a gamma tipped arrow…which doesn’t make a lick of sense cause you would think that would make him stronger but it doesn’t 😒. The gauntlet absolutely should’ve done what you explained but it just shriveled up his arm and he has it in a sling at the end and it’s just pitiful cause you know that wouldn’t happen to him even if he is professor hulk
If they wanted to create an arc villain, they could have started him down a road that turns him into the Maestro, but that's much too forward-thinking of them. Especially given their track record. Instead the MCU has become the Kang Show.
@@CHCrux Exactly. It’s sad what they did to hulk just bums me out everytime I think about him cause even they bring him back it’s not going to be like he was before the first avengers movie that rage just isn’t there no more and he isn’t as popular no more cause Disney 😒…and now there bringing sentry another great character in this fever dream of a cinema franchise 🤦🏾♂️there not going to stop until every popular character is turned into satire and then replaced with a shitty one dimensional character
They had a chance to save Hulk in Endgame. When Thanos attacks after Banner does the snap, they could have broken his mind with the claustrophobia + the pain of his damaged arm. Banner and Hulk could've been separate entities again, just a little internal dialogue.
Hulk to Banner: Try as hard as you did, you never got rid of me. Let me out!
Literally wouldn’t have made sense at all not to mention no build up to that💀
@@Chief_kemosabe It makes less sense that in a world where they failed and society is crumbling, of ALL PEOPLE, Banner finally decides to be at peace whit Hulk? AND OFF SCREEN??? THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT IN BANNER’S LIFE? i can tell you Overcoming Hulk is like 10 times overcoming porn and drug addiction while constantly being bullied by society because you can’t control yourself.
I thought when the gauntlet irradiated him with gamma that hulk would be let out.
Smart hulk kills hulk off and steals his body instead of fixing their issues and working as a team.
Hulk doesn't exist anymore he is just cringey banner with muscle.
Also, the Professor Hulk of the comics was written (mostly) be Peter David, a freaking genius, and his story run is great. For one thing, Professor Hulk per se is regarded as a very problematic degeneration of the Unified Hulk (aka Doc Green, who picks up a team of sidekicks like Doc Savage), who balanced the superego (Banner), ego (Grey), and id (Green) in a tenuous and dramatic yet triumphant fashion. Prof Hulk is mostly just a strong confident Banner, who eventually breaks down under the strain of trying to have only one factor of his personality in primary (instead of balanced) control. (The Unified Hulk doesn't return until the Worldbreaker, who is radically overpowered.) But even this nuance is gone in the MCU. He isn't even the slowly shattering Professor Hulk from the comics.
Notably, the Professor Hulk (Banner being the only personality evident) in PD's run wasn't the first time the comics had done this for a while. It happened back before and during the Secret Wars maxi-series, too -- with a similarly shattering psyche being the result, though with less dramatic nuance. Turns out Nightmare, a Doctor Strange villain, was behind that the first time -- who gets his ass thoroughly kicked (for a while) by Banner in the Hulk's psyche as what seems a suicide move, leaving over the total Id mindless Hulk, trapped by Strange (after a murderous rampage) in the Dream Dimension for some time. Many of us thought the MCU writers were setting up something like this in Multiverse of Madness (where in the first draft Nightmare was indeed the villain).... but we know now how that turned out, thanks to the script being completely rewritten during shooting.
Ah, well. We hardly knew ye, MCU Hulk.
Just watched hulk ‘08. That hulk doesn’t lose to thanos, Thor, or iron man. Norton is a way better character than ruffalo. Way better hulk design too
100% no question about it. Definitely a better character (and actor) and the Hulk looked a million times better in it. Looked bigger, more intimidating, and looks way better with bangs. Not to mention he actually gets more and more angry and it’s shown. He’s also a much better fighter compared to the avengers one. Like he grabbed a car and ripped it in 2 and used them as boxing gloves (which is sick af) and he also did the hulk clap to take out fire to save Betty and stomped the ground and caused an earthquake to make abomination lose his balance and as he was staggering then rushed forward and grabbed the chain that Abomination had and used it to choke him out and take him out. And Abomination is powerful af and the reason Hulk was able to best him was cause he was trying to save Betty (so character development since Hulk cares for Betty just like Bruce does).
U want to know the stupid thing? The “creative difficulties” they had with him and the reason he was fired was cause Norton wanted to stay true to the original character cause he knew this is what they wanted to do with the Hulk. These people are so stupid it’s not even funny. They should’ve listened to Norton. He knew what he was talking about and what everyone wanted.
@@davidstratton696This post is sad...
@@rustyshackelford4224 Indeed.
I never understood why they put Banner in the Hulk buster suit in Wakanda to fight. Couldn't they just put a Wakanda solider in the suit and let him go smash instead, while Banner helped Shuri with Vision?
Yeah, wtf. That’s a good point.
I agreed when you spoke about losing against Ironman; that was the silliest part of the franchise, just because Robert Downy Jnr is a great actor and loved by many, doesn't mean you should make him a god in it. The writers wasted something that could have been even greater than it already was. Look how he defeated Hulk and against Thor he was winning, it just doesn't make sense. Hell, he was holding his own against two superhumans, beating the crap out of Captain America. The biggest problem was Ironman was too OP in the franchise.
Stfu lmao "too op" that wasn't even the worst thing..... Stop your bitching because at least hulk was still hulk. He didn't become a trash character until infinity war and endgame
He was under legit mind control at the point in time thanks to Wanda....... You probably didn't even watch the whole movie
Finally someone who speaks English
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Sorry, what do you mean "against Captain America"? It's the other way around, Cap and Bucky should not stand a chance against metal guy who can withstand tank shots. No matter how strong they are, they are not invincible and their bones are not as strong as metal of his suit. Just a punch to the head (he can punch through stone and metal, mind you) should knock them out if not kill.
Cap and bucky wrecked him what do you mean. But yes he was so poorly written, his tech was a plot device
@@benperez8291 have you seen the first Iron Man, the armor can withstand the assault of a tank
Agreed. As a kid of the 60s and 70s the hulk was portrayed as the pinnacle of sheer strength and raw power in marvel comics. NO super, not even Thor could beat him. Now for the sake of cinematic success he has been drastically reduced to a watered down background character who both Thor and carol danvers aka Captain marvel are more powerful than. CGI aside, he should have been the cinematic nigh unstoppable engine of destruction say doomsday was to superman in dc comics.
When I was little Hulk used to be my favorite hero, I idolized him.
More recently my love for hulk has fallen off and this video explains why perfectly.
However, I still love hulk outside of the MCU.
I believe that the MCU still has a chance to redeem him as a beloved character but something major has to happen in both the plot and his character development.
I think the, “I’m always angry” then turning into the Hulk is a call back to the every end of the Edward Norton film, where he turns into the Hulk while meditating. And his line from that movie about not controlling the Hulk but pointing the Hulk. So we know that he can’t prevent himself from turning into the Hulk, but he is able to turn into Hulk at will. I think in the MCU the Hulk isn’t a different character, but more like the Ego and Id of the same character. It isn’t so much that the Hulk hates Banner, as it is Banner hates himself.
Yep, the entire videos point kinda crumbles when you point this out.
MCU Hulk is a single person written correctly as the singular being he is.
@@lasarousi 4:55
Bro really thought he had a "got cha" moment 😂
ah so the hulk is the concentrated insecurities of Banner, kinda like that one comic iteration where he was abused as a child.
I think the writers underestimate how many people love the hulk. Most casual mcu fans aren’t necessarily interested in his character because they’ve only ever seen the shit mcu version of the character. My siblings, for example, don’t understand my fascination with the hulk. All they really know is the mcu shit version. I also don’t think the writers understand or like the character very much and as a result, even they don’t understand why anyone would like the character.
Hulk is second only to Spiderman from a Marvel property perspective. Arguably only the DC top trio are bigger than Spidey
@@eyezj7412 Spidey is bigger than Wonder Woman.
@@bikramarora1819 debatable but I can see that. Spidey has the cartoons, tv, films etc, definitely Marvel's flag ship. But WW is iconic in her own right. Probably the most famous female character in and comic universe, been around since the 40s and was an original character. She has props
@@eyezj7412 WW is iconic for sure, but Spidey is the breakout superhero character of the 21st century. The cultural impact that the Raimi films had was bettered only by that of the TDK trilogy, and even now I'd argue that Spidey is the first or second most beloved character by the populace that only ever watches MCU movies. The character has his own gravitas. He's insanely popular with kids and adults alike. The big 3 are Superman, Batman, and Spider-man.
@@bikramarora1819 disagree with the breakout character comment but can't deny the impact of the Rami films. Spiderman 2 is still one of my favourite characters. No doubting Spidey's fame but I think you underestimate WW. You may be right, and you definitely are from a commercial point, but some may disagree from a purely comics pov. As I said, debatable.
I keep hearing widow's forced sterilization come up, but it's not that she's a monster because she can't have kids. It's the fact that she was forced to be a killing machine and obey orders that makes her, in her eyes, a monster. The sterilization is a permanent reminder of her role as someone who was made to be a machine for killing
The intentions make sense but it was the way the line was delivered that didn't fit well
The whole point of the Hulk was the jeopardy of his anger.
The TV series had it nailed.
To have control over his transformation totally neutered the character.
Firstly I disagree with your assessment of the 2008 hulk because I actually love that hulk, and secondly your ideas in this video about the hulk character sounds great. So marvel Killing is an understatement, more like extinction.
I agree with you i loved that movie they even mixed in a little tribute to The Incredible Hulk tv show
What was the tribute? I must have missed it.
So true!!!
@@KnuttyEntertainment I think one of the professors in that movie was the actor who played the Hulk in the Incredible Hulk Tv Show
Agreed
Imagine if, in the final battle of Endgame, the Banner Hulk and Thanos somehow get isolated together. Thanos says something clever and beats him down. Then, as Thanos is walking away, Banner Hulk says “Hey Pal… I got someone else that wants to have another word with ya”
Then Savage Hulk appears outta nowhere. We get a shot into Hulks head and see Banner as he says, “It’s all yours, big guy. Now KICK HIS ASS!” Then Hulk gets his revenge.
I’d have cried.
man, I feel like MCU counted on people knowing the hulk outside the movies to leverage its story telling. as so many complimented his "character arc"
Its like the mcu got bored with the hulk because this isnt even cannon too his character. They can do a world breaker version, mystro version, ect but we get the shrek version.
You sir have just expressed what I've been meaning to say all these years. Thank you for sharing your insights of our beloved Hulk. As a Hulk fan I grew more and more impatient with how he was utilized in the MCU. I know there are teases of a world breaker hulk movie in the future but at the end of the day. I don't even know if it would be worth watching. I'm embarrassed of what the Hulk has become. The Russo's stating character development of the Hulk but what for and why? Legit has no purpose or meaning towards the bigger picture. Completely unnecessary... Don't even get me started on all the past fights he's had throughout the MCU, to lose single-handily to pretty much everyone, is just downright annoying. When infinity war came out I was happy to see that Thanos and the Hulk were going to face off. Until my boy got wrecked in 10 seconds. Like what??? Also not even a redemption to face him again in ENDGAME. My guy was still holding up the Avengers compound that whole time??? Ugh genuinely so upset with this. I can go on and on about my frustrations but this post is meant to say I understand where you're coming from.
My only disagreement is that 2008 Hulk was by far the better version of the Hulk. Although there are some things I would change in that film its still my all time favorite. He was angry, fought the military, and he also had BETTY ROSS!!!
To the MCU Hulk RIP you'll be missed truly and we're sorry you never got a true character development that you so longingly deserve.
FACTS
The Russo's had no idea what to do with Hulk, so they wrote him out of their story. The last Marvel product with its own true identity that respected the Hulk was Avengers Earth's mightiest heroes, and they cancelled that to make way for an inferior show that would capitalize on the MCU. It was never about respecting the characters, but milking them dry.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp spitting facts
Norton Hulk >>>>>>
The Hulk was the sole reason I became a fan of Marvel as a child. His portrayal in the MCU makes it hard for me to support it altogether
The Hulk is supposed to be a terrifying force of nature. Now he’s a giant green nerd. I like Professor Hulk, but the original Hulk is the true version of the character.
Thanos beating hulk could have been a really good scene, IF they had made hulk the powerhouse he should have been. If iron man, Thor, all that, couldn't beat him and hulk seemed like a major threat, then having thanos beat him would be a great scene, but that's never shown... We just expected hulk to lose (although not that shamefully)
I never really saw a good example of the Hulk's healing factor in the MCU. All other versions of the Hulk had a healing factor. In the comics, in the animated stuff, in the 2003 movie with Eric Bana, even in the old Bill Bixby TV show, the Hulk always had a healing factor, usually on par with Wolverine's. But I never saw this in the MCU that I can recall. And that's just awful. Also, I don't believe Endgame Hulk was Prof Hulk. I think that was just Banner Hulk (Hulk's body with Banner's mind). Prof Hulk had Hulk's body and Banners intelligence, but also had green hulks aggression as well as Grey Hulk's cockiness. He was actually a bad ass!
Also on the topic of healing factors, Spider-Man is supposed to have a minor one as well. Nothing that will help him in a fight, but it's how he recovers from things like gunshot wounds overnight. They never really get into that either. Kinda makes me nervous about the getting their hands on someone like Wolverine.
@@animedolfan8072 Personally for me I like Spider-man with a even smaller healing factor. I remember reading a comic and watching Spider-man get shot and the physical tolls that took place after. With him being forced to get taken to a hospital by a friend, and having to get treated then taking the time to recover(A shield agent came eventually). It added more depth to the fights knowing a stray bullet can fuck him up for a while.
@@blamblam5690 well that's apart of Spiderman's powers. Now that's a great story line in a daredevil story
@@animedolfan8072 Never said it wasn't. I prefer more vulnerable interpretations because it adds more stakes to the fight.
The Incredible Hulk was awesome! It’s one of my favorite MCU movies and the hulk looked amazing and his Linebacker physique was perfect. He knew how to fight and did the hulk smash and clap. He got stronger when he got angry and could kick Thanos ass. He became a bitch
Wonder why we didn't get a hulk movie yet? Disney don't own the hulk movie lol look it up
r u being sarcastic?
People hate on Joss Whedon but he did the Hulk right. Ruffalo was good as Banner/the Hulk in the first two Avengers cause there was still a tragic side to the character. The rest of the films Ruffalo was just playing himself and mostly there for comedy. Banner and the Hulk should not be super comedic characters.
Waititi and The Russos butchered the Hulk
@@arturocastroverde3349 Joss cared more about the Hulk than even the guy who directed the incredible hulk.
@@TheWorldsBiggestFan89 and? I never said otherwise
@@arturocastroverde3349 No I'm just realizing that was all.
Atleast in thor ragnarok he was beast
But Anthony russo just ruined him
I still hate that we will never get a live action scene of the fear people are stricken with when they realize the hulk is loose. Picture this, Bruce trying his best to save civilians and to help in the battle when inevitably he gets shot pushing someone out of the way saving them. He falls we get a brief shot of green eyes and we see the reactions of horror and confusion from the enemy as well from his Allies as they here w deafening roar louder than any thing they’ve ever heard. Cap or iron man give some one liner or brief dioloug to retreat as the ground begins to shake and the entire building in front of them crumbles and the hulk comes flying through absolutely demolishing the Chitari, the entire fight now becomes Evacuation of citizens and calming down the hulk, which will more than likely require the use of a sedative
Or. In endgame after the snap the events unfold as they did. EXCEPT Bruce is now where to be seen. His drowning scene did nothing but further weaken him since antman had to break them out anyway. The battle is ensuing and thanos just had way to many troops and just when all hope seems lost a green glow can be seen from the rubble and that deafening roar I mentioned follows and out bursts a rampaging, greens hulk, as he’s freshly infused with gamma from the stones, he decimates the army and seeing thanos brings out a rage he’s never felt causing Bruce to loose his already slipping grip on the “steering wheel” of their mind and the hulk fully takes over bullies thanos causing him to rain fire and go from there
The Hulk is as much as a liability as he is an ally.
Given his angry,child-like,and destructive behavior,Hulk is too dangerous to be left alone unchecked.
Despite his desire to be left alone,Hulk doesn't realize nor care that he is also the universe's chew toy or plaything.
Hulk is just a weird character to write. And it relates to how other character play into the MCU. Thor should be able to do a million other things besides "sometimes" shoot lightning. But to make Scarlet Witch and Dr strange be more deadly only they can do "real magic"
Sort if the same with hulk. He should be more than just strong and beaten by a few punches but to make him more makes others redundant if he was too strong. Same With Thor
Like the video says, the downside to Hulk is the risk for collateral damage due to lack of control over his immense power. This is why his presence does not make any other Avenger redundant. The same way having nuclear weapons does not make other (less powerful) weapons redundant. Different threats require different capabilities and different levels of risk that are considered acceptable. The confrontation with Thanos was the perfect time for them to completely unshackle the Hulk, but instead they went the opposite direction.
Not hard to write at all. Write him like dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde just like the original comic book intended
they dont know how to deal with such overpowered characters other than to depower them and turn them into jokey joke clowns.
@@bmcfonzie I disagree. I look at the Justice Leauge and how superman was written as an example that any one hero/star needs to be balanced in relation to others with weaknesses and strengths. Otherwise it cheapens and lessens other characters making a boring ass movie
Hulk is not hard to write in an Avengers movie. There could of been many times the Avengers dropped Hulk off into enemy territory and watch him do his thing. Solo. There's also existing comics of Hulk single handedly fighting all of the Avengers. Why is that not something to make a movie of? I understand they can't really make a solo movie for Hulk, but there's so much potential that was wasted in every Avenger movie.
Sad How They Massacred The Hulk And Bruce Banner. We Could Of Gotten Joe Fixit As The Grey Hulk In Endgame With The Big Three: Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, All Four Original Avengers Taking On Thanos…
They DIDN'T even consider introducing Rick Jones, he's like 10 times way more important than Betty to the Hulk Mythos
That Too!!! Rick Jones Is Another Character They Left Out!!?? Not Only Is He Best Friends With The Hulk but he Also An Allie To The Avengers And The Side Kick Of The Original Captain Mar-Vell.
@@OneOfTheBoys23 & That also applies to Braeden's video, Rick is way more important than Betty because
1. *Hulk was born thx to him*
2. _Unlike Betty who only cares for Bruce & Despises Hulk, RICK LOVES & CARES FOR BOTH BRUCE & HULK AS WELL_
They Could Of Gave Us A Flashback Of Rick Jones With Bruce Banner In The First Hulk Movie Or Have him Appear in the Avengers Movie Or Atleast One mention about him In Captain Marvel.
Disney Has No Respect For Legacy Characters or For The Source Material What’s So Ever… 🤦🤦🤦
This video really showcases how some of the smallest details in a few seemingly insignificant scenes can have a huge butterfly effect on our perception of a character
I strongly agree with a lot of what you said, especially regarding Age of Ultron onwards, but I’m really disappointed with how fast you glossed over The Incredible Hulk. If you ask me that was one of the best incarnations of both Bruce Banner and the Hulk that we’ve gotten, and right up there with the animated portrayals. You didn’t even delve into the character like the other movies, but just said that the movie itself was mediocre and then moved on which I don’t think is fair. I don’t know why a lot of people find the movie to be boring because I thought it was a very interesting and captivating story about the Hulk as a character and how he came to be. Not to mention the movie actually portrayed him as an intelligent yet savage, animalistic beast unlike the rest of the movies, and was probably the most comic accurate. I’m sure it has a few flaws in its plot and all that, but I can easily forgive and ignore them for everything else the movie has to offer, especially on the character alone. That was when Bruce and Hulk in the MCU were at their peak.
Also not entirely related but I don’t think the CGI was bad at all. I thought Hulk and Abomination looked really menacing, and there was a lot of care into the detail from the veins to the muscle fibers, and even tinier details like the sweat and dust. I thought they blended really well with the real environment unlike current characters in the MCU who just look really colorful and cartoony with little to no detail. The only time it looked kinda off was when Hulk was standing face to face with Blonksy but that’s it really. They were a lot more beastly and violent-looking compared to Hulk in Avengers 1 onwards.
Yes I totally agree especially because Marvel even watered down this movie. Edward Norton wanted to go all out but Marvel surprisingly turned him down. I think his incarnation of Hulk would have been much better because look at what we got now amh
@@bizzyrizzy4075 Yeah, same. He understood where you could take this character. Marvel wanted him to be family friendly. Such a waste
While Edward Norton is a great actor, I think he looked too sexy to be Banner and from a few clips of the animated shows Bruce Banner ain’t hot.
Spider Man's suit looks too CG for my taste in the MCU.
@@DavidNicholson101 Yeah. The CGI got really bad over the years. Everything now looks like it belongs in a fully animated movie.
Another issue is that Universal Studios is still a Co-Owner film wise. They couldn't do another Hulk Film after Incredible Hulk. I remember in an article Ruffalo was asked to give input about what he wanted to be done with character since he'd never get a solo film.
That is exactly why he is being replaced. They do have full ownership of She-Hulk so it is just easier to replace him then dance around what Universal will allow them to do.
I wish they'd just buy the rights or Universal makes a Hulk movie.
@@jaborsey_joseph what's ironic is that both Namor and Hulk were previously owned by Universal
@@marks2807 that is a possibility
@@marks2807 Disney bought Fox and gained all those characters back. Disney also made a deal with Sony to get Spider-man into the MCU. But for some reason they can't figure out the problem with Universal? Makes no sense. Back up a truck load of money to Universal and buy the damn Hulk back already.
Bro can you imagine taking a character who's power is being THE strongest and making him weak that would turn him in a more compelling character trust me bro
The Incredible Hulk with Norton is by far my favorite MCU movie. There, I said it.
You basically expressed everything I was thinking. I absolutely hate what they did to the Hulk. Do they not realize the amount of support they woukd have got if they wouod have stuck to the comic story line!! Hollywood always tries to bubble gum down great characters. I can't stand none of Thor movies!
n he did not say evey hting do you and he read cocmi ro watch death batlt that show cocmic lip if the be liek 10 hulk midns they esaid the mo then one hulk and showed prof of it form the comic so you do knwo the not one hulk mind
@@ssjgotenks2009 bro please fix that paragraph 😭
@@ssjgotenks2009 what???
@@ssjgotenks2009 “memories broken, the truth goes unspoken, I’ve event forgotten my name. Don’t know the season nor why is the reason I’m watching through the video the whole wayyyyyy!” -You
I would agree completely except for the incredible hulk take. I actually liked that film. The hulk was an unstoppable force. They kept to the origin were he got his power experimenting on himself. Not from his dad like in the first film. He also had proper challenge with the bad guy as he was just as powerful as the hulk. Not like some powerful dogs like in the first film. And like you said it was well established that banner and hulk have Betty in common. And that she is a primordial character and should not be written off.
Technically, the 2003 movie is more faithful to the comics in regards to Hulk's origins. Bruce's father and mother play pivotal roles that lead to Bruce's transformation into the Hulk. Admittedly, the comics do it WAY better, but I still give the 2003 movie credit for trying.
@@Hulkzilla0 what do you mean? I thought the story always was that banner tried it on himself and turned into the hulk?
@@franciscoavic9965 That’s the origin from the old 70’s tv show. The comic book origin (and later expansions of Bruce and Hulk’s backstory) are much different.
As much as I liked Thor: Ragnarok, it’s the reason I refuse to watch anything in the MCU anymore. The fact that the hulk had essentially skipped the entirety of his character development over his 60+ years of existence is infuriating, and to have one of his best storylines made into a fucking Thor movie is just insulting.
Thor ragnarok hulk is ok though
Atleast not worst version
As much as I love the MCU, you're right with the hulk. They really simplified him. I do love professor hulk, but it is a huge shame we don't see the true struggle of hulk and banner
The "I'm always angry" line is actually super relatable for those of us with anger issues. You are always raging a little, but you have it under control most of the time. When something does set you off though, you get more upset than you should because you have all that waiting under the surface. The hard part is putting all that anger away once you are that upset, so I always saw this as Bruce's way of saying that letting out the Hulk is not the hard part.
I feel like that would be a great explanation if he didn't turn into the Hulk anytime he gets angry. I feel like what he'd be feeling constantly is more so depression, annoyance frustration or even anxiety because he knows once he even gets a little mad he has to watch himself. That is, if we're actually taking what he says at face value. Your explanation is a good one though.
MY GUY!!!
Just "bared my soul" similarly!!
Frustration, disappointment, failure, angst etc etc
All fine.... til the bus doesn't stop when I flag it down/press the bell... t
@@SSDJ816
But I AM "The Hulk" when I'm angry!!
EVERYTHING getting smashed!!
EVERYBODY getting cussed out!!
You can hear it from a distance!!
Then, hours later I awake, half naked and all "Where am I?" And can never go back there so hitchhike to a new town and start over...
@@darrengordon-hill
felt the same
The mcu just doesn't understand how stakes work. People make fun of power levels but they add to the stakes, they add to continuity and the emotion you have for the events taking place. I didn't notice the fall of hulk until ragnarock but yes hulk loses like every fight😔 he's my second favorite marvel hero and they never had any intention of giving him a proper adaptation.
"I'm always angry" makes total sense to me. He's reached a sort of peace and he, for the most part, has control of his transformations because he's reached a sort of zen understanding of his anger and his place in it. The helicarrier transformation is different because he does lose control because of external factors.
the OP review, regarding the helicarrier, just skips over that the whole premise there is that Loki's scepter is magically provoking conflict among all of them, primarily The Hulk. He's blindly targeting everyone because he's under a spell. (Whether that's a *good* plot mechanism is a different discussion.)
@@chrishayes8197 it’s true the author of the video leaves out a lot in favor of just taking on the Hulk character, which I do respect but I also disagree with the way he looked at some things. I do agree that they murdered the Hulks character and agree with the video in general.
@@marruke6035 I agree, I think most of his "misunderstoods" were towards the first Avengers, while not perfect, Hulk and Bruce felt more consistent in this movie
I was always upset with how they treated hulk in the MCU. Your video sums up all of the movies’ shortcomings perfectly. I actually enjoyed Ragnorok but completely forgot hulk was in the movie until I watched this video. Also had no clue Ferrigno voiced him in the first movie that’s dope as hell
Wow, having not read a lot of hulk stories I now realise just how much they wasted him as a character, like throughout multiple films there was nothing so overwhelming only the hulk could help, he was always just extra muscle.
I remember watching the cartoons and how actually scary he was because he was destroying everything and nearly killing everyone and throwing shipping containers and tanks casually mid fight.
The MCU just made him look weak ngl and not scary
14:15 Lou Ferrigno did not say the “puny god” line, that was completely Ruffalo. Both Ferrigno and Ruffalo’s voices were blended together for everything else in that film, but that one line you used as an example is actually just Ruffalo himself.
I’m a massive hulk fan, he’s been my favorite superhero forever. Seeing the mcu treat him like this is mind fuckingly irritating because we all know the hulk has some great stories to adapt to the big screen, but instead we got… what we got
They should have made hulk the main reason the avengers get together for the first time in the first avengers. Like the original time in the comics, it was Loki manipulating hulk getting the heroes to fight him. This could have lead to them teaming up in the end as well.
You absolutely hit the nail on the head. Good job, man. It's been kind of difficult to put my feelings and thoughts about how the MCU completely destroyed the Hulk, on of the most iconic and tragic characters ever created, and made him just a side comic relief character. But you managed to do so where I couldn't help but just agree to everything.
This video is another valid point to why I personally think Hulk 2003 and 2008 are definitive versions of the character. The MCU turned him into Shrek(on steroids). Calling him Hulk is actually disgraceful to the character.
Shrek on steroids? Haha. But yea pretty much. They just completely ruined him. He had a much better character in general in 2008 not to mention that Hulk looked a lot better (more intimidating, bigger, and the bangs look a lot better). And he’s a better fighter and actually gets more and more angry too and uses things he never used in the avengers (like the clap to take out the fire to save Betty and where he stomped the ground hard to make Abomination lose his balance). And speaking of that he took out Abomination. Like c’mon how could they mess it up this bad? Yea it is disgraceful to the character.
Norton was also a better actor as well and definitely fit more. The stupid thing is the “creative difficulties” he had with them and the reason he was fired was he knew this is what they had planned for Hulk and he wanted to stay true to the original. Like how stupid can they be? They should’ve listened to him. He knew what he was talking about.
@@davidstratton696 Well said. BTW " Shrek on steroids " was a term used to describe 2003 Hulk because of the unfinished CGI leak before the films release I think. They dissed and hated this version yet it was the most accurate. And now the MCU got themselves another comedian.
In defense of "I'm always angry," I thought this line was a pretty clear... if somewhat indirect implication that Banner had simply learned to control his anger rather than avoid it. I took it similarly to the adage about bravery, that it isn't about being fearless but rather a matter of being able to face your fear and still soldier on. Similarly, Bruce is at the point where he can control his anger, providing he isn't stressed beyond his ability to cope with, but he's seen so much shit that he's not really able to just up and forget it. Hence, it's kind of easy to comprehend how he could have a steady undercurrent of well-suppressed rage without becoming the Hulk unless he either has good reason to (during the Battle of New York) or is severely overwhelmed (as in the Helicarrier Rampage).
In a more general defense of Avengers 1, it... sounds like a lot of what you're asking for is long-term Hulk cooperation. It... sounds like, even with the qualms you have, the film could've easily gotten away with the lack of exploration of these details if it had simply been followed-up by another that did.... wherein lies the problem.
A similar, partial defense of Age of Ultron... or at least the opening... the film can justify dropping the Team Nuke on a Hydra Base a lot more easily... because it's a Hydra Base. At least as far as the film wants us to think of them, Hydra are just all evil bad guys that the Avengers can beat-up without remorse (nevermind that they're all still people, some of whom may have been blackmailed, gaslit, or otherwise indoctrinated into where they are now, but that's another topic altogether), and the Avengers do have a means of de-escalating the Hulk after all's said and done (even if all of the development to achieve that is done off-screen, a recurring theme of the Hulk and/or Banner's character in the MCU), so why not let him loose? It's not necessarily a leap of logic to say that Natasha's method of calming the Hulk is unreliable or circumstantial, but this is shown to be a situation where it works, and accordingly, it's not hard to say that deploying Hulk should be mostly a win. That's not to say that what follows isn't underwhelming, or that the Hulk hasn't been massively underutilized... but I think this scene is also defensible... once again, provided that the development is received _eventually._
Which it isn't, and which, I think, is the root of the issue. Or one of them. Another is, to be honest, I feel like the entire MCU has been rushed to shit. I'm not even a fan of the comics or previous adaptations, but I really liked the first phase... however, after that point, the MCU seemed to just start throwing massive story beat after massive story beat at the audience, and not giving any of them time to steep. Even with very minimal comic knowledge, I can tell you that they should never have just charged into Ultron like that. I think either Marvel or their Disney overlords were too concerned with introducing the "next big thing" to actually take their time and flesh-out what they'd shown so far.
Endgame robbed hulk in that final battle and then it got worst
It's honestly sad hearing all this and knowing it be true. I used to think Thor Ragnarök was a good movie but after recently reading planet hulk for the first time and reading more comics of him only to go back to the movie just felt like i was not only lied to but slapped in the face.
I just learned that the comics are a lot better and gave up on the movies a good while ago.
Why should the comics dictate your opinion on the movie. It's a well made film that draws inspiration from the comics. It's not an adaptation nor should it be. The comic book medium is a very unique and you cant just adapt that into a movie one to one. You should just appreciate both for what they achieve on their own.
@@Ryancamron3342 because they absolutely use the comics as a basis and for way more than just "inspiration". What a lame excuse. Where did the idea of the infinity stones come from? THE COMICS. Where did the snap come from? Russos didn't come up with that. Where did the storyline from Ultron come from? THE COMICS. What about Civil War? Captain America vs Ironman? The idea of the government trying to regulate superheroes? Whered that idea come from? THE COMICS. What is SECRET WARS? A COMIC STORYLINE. But you smugly say "why should the comics dictate your opinion on the movie" without realizing how asinine that question is. And no, you shouldn't appreciate bastardizations of established lore and stories. Let me flip it back at you. Why I should I appreciate something that names itself the exact same name as the comic book storyline, but tells a completely different story and does little to nothing to respect the material it's based on? And is the 2 hours of crappy mild one liners and rushed CGI warrent that treatment of the source material?
@@georgealvarez1195 You didn’t address anything i said. Your just listing off surface level inspirations from the comics which further proves my point. You think civil war was anything like the original story? I’d commend you actually go back and read the comics cause they are similar in name and surface level aesthetics alone. But that’s fine. As I’ll say again. It’s hard to directly translate a story that works in one medium to another. There’s a reason why video game movies and movies based on novels always manage to be terrible. You have to draw inspiration from the source material but you should never be a slave to it
I tell my friends all the time the reason why they made it Thor Ragnarök was because it’s Hulk title and a lot of people wouldn’t care as much as they would since it’s Thor. I enjoy the movie but I hate when people don’t understand that it’s Hulks story.
@@Ryancamron3342 because in the end its a shitty movie which only is created to steal money from your wallet, because they stole from us such a great and awesome story because marvel have fallen from grace since a long time.
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I always had the headcannon that the Hulk wanted to kill her. Remember the early MCU movies and characters were based mostly on the Ultimate comics, in which the Hulk isn't a confused and angry child but a malicious monster that actively kills and eats people.
This is actually the best take on the cinematic Hulk's downfall I've heard and seen yet!! Fantastic job. You just gained a new subscriber.
They should have took a nod from the comics and cut him from the team following the Avengers. It would make sense that the team would not know how to handle him out of conflict and difficulty getting him to respond appropriately in combat. Hulk as the outsider is what would happen with some like Thor genuinely treating him as a friend, Tony relating to Banner and treating the Hulk like a weapon, and most members treating him like a wild animal with Hulk smart enough to know people are lying and pretending to be his friend to placate him. Then maybe the team coming to terms to form an understanding when they need him for major events with the focus on the Hulk solo when we see him. That in my opinion would have been better.
you want bring up comcis yet you dont bring p the be 10 hulks tha fight for contorl in brcace as in the coci ti shwo mro then one hulk that is cotnrol death battl eevne show prof of the said comic so wya do guy think mcu did hulk wrogn when the mor then one hulk mind
I think if I talked any more we would either have to meet in a comics shop or I would have to make my own video. I was already stretching the limit for length where anyone would actually read it.
@@ssjgotenks2009 bro you were HAMMERED when you wrote this lmao
@@ssjgotenks2009 I’ve seen 3 of your comments, and absolutely non of them are legible lol.