I had one of these for a few years. Same cnc spindle that’s used on laguna swift series large cnc. The ARAxiom series routers are the best small format cnc on the market. They also have the 4Kw ISO30 ATC spindle setups now. If I still had it, I would have converted. Built. strong!
Built very strong indeed! No lateral movement due to it’s stability. At the time, price was a concern and I stuck with the router option. Since then I am running an AVID with an 8.7hp Hiteco spindle in addition to the Axiom. It’s a different animal altogether and runs off Mach4. Each sit next to one another and each have specific jobs in the shop.
@@BlueLineCNC I just discovered your videos and have been going through them. I apologize if you’ve already covered this elsewhere. What’s the difference in uses for the Avid vs Axiom machines? Size aside, is the axiom better at certain projects than the Avid, and vice versa?
@@dmanning55 they are both well built machines. The Axiom runs on ball screws and is extremely precise. However, as such is limited on it fast rates and jogging speeds. Additionally, you can command your file to execute at 225 IPM in VCarve for example, but it is beyond the capabilities of what the machine can actually do. The AVID has a rack and pinion drive system and coupled with the right spindle (I have an 8.7hp Hiteco) can rip through stock extremely fast. With the AVID my production is much quicker. AVID is more expensive and you build it. AVID is a US company. If I’m not mistaken Axiom machines are foreign built. The can both equally produce fine results. For a newbie or hobbyist, the Axiom would be a much better choice, as the AVID is geared towards someone with at least a pro-sumer to professional level of knowledge, as you need to learn and understand the control software, Mach4. AVID will require a computer in the shop to run it. Hope all that helps!
Hi Blue line wood flag, I enjoyed your video and was wondering if your selling any of your products that you're making on your cnc. If you have a video where you go into details about this please let me know, thank you.
Hi Kenneth, Most of what I show being made is custom work but it is all offered on my website www.bluelinewoodflags.com We’re you looking for videos about how I specifically sell my items and market them? Not quite sure what you meant. Cheers, Russ
Hi I just bought a axiom iconic eight based off of your video I watched it a few times you seem quite happy with it so thank you for the review question do you have these long red fence clamps I guess can you tell me where you got them because axiom doesn’t sell them they say
Thanks Randy. I don’t remember where I got them. I actually think I got them from Axiom back in 2018. You can easily make your own with aluminum angle iron or square stock and then use t-track bolts. You could even go hardwood such as walnut or maple. No matter what you choose, just make sure it’s square to your spoil board when you tighten them down.
Nice machine! You could have got the spindle in place of the over arm dust collector and the stand. The routers are just so much louder. Awesome shop and beautiful machine tho!
I actually have the same machine , had a guy at a aluminum shop near me make a bracket for the front and was able to easily install a water cooled spindle .. soo much better abs quieter
Hey Shawn that’s so cool. I’ve actually been thinking of doing the same thing. Would love to see some photos of your setup and where you sourced your spindle, vfd, and everything else!
I've just started researching CNC machines a few days ago, and was leaning toward Laguna, but now that I've seen this video, your setup is exactly what I want.
Glad I was able to help in your decision making! I haven’t had any problems with my Axiom CNC and their customer service seems to be “Johnny on the Spot!”
@@scottbuehler7511 the real big reason I'm choosing Axiom is because their liquid cooled spindle contains antifreeze in a recirculation pump. The Laguna uses a bucket of water and a fish tank pump.
I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t have any experience with Hammer. I can only speak for the Axiom and my observations of its performance in this video. If it’s something you are considering purchasing, I would heavily research both. The decision is ultimately yours to make.
Thank you Russ for the info. May I ask you a question? I am interested in this model. My shop at home has a small door clearance (28" x 84"). I'm more concerned about the cnc machine itself fitting thru this doorway. The stand doesn't seem to be an issue. I'm thinking of the cnc being carted in on its side but not sure about the gantry fitting thru or damaging the machine by laying it on its side. What would you recommend? Also, if you had to do it over again, would you have gone with the Iconic 8 model? Thanks again. Very informative video.
Well at the time they didn’t offer the Iconic, so that is more or less moot. If your gantry will fit on its side, I don’t see why you couldn’t tilt it. Just make sure you have enough guys to manhandle. It’s heavier than you think.
I'm not sure what extremes it will operate at. You may want to reach out and talk with Axiom directly. I never had a problem using it in my garage in Northern California. I don't like the extreme cold or the extreme heat and for that reason I am moving it into a climate controlled work shop.
I actually did look at it as well. In comparison to the AR series they seemed a little lighter duty than what I was looking for. I think for the maker that wants a quality machine but doesn’t plan on using it a ton, the I2R series would be perfect.
@@ivanscountrymusicandcars2357 we moved, so it's not fully even decided yet. I have a dust collector from grizzly, and I'm thinking I'll carve a boot for the Shark and set it up that way.
Have you found that the dust arm base attached to the cnc table to either get in the way or limit the size of the project you can make? Looks like it takes a foot of length
Aaron Wilson just posted a video a couple weeks ago showing the entire process from project conception through completion with the CNC in operation. I guess I am a bit “craze” for not firing it up in this one ;). Thanks for your input.
Your video was very helpful. Thanks. I did a lot of research on CNC's as well and Axiom is in a class all by itself. Plan on ordering the i2R-6 with much of the same accessories as you. Only concerns I have are understanding and applying the Vetric VCarve CAD designs. Everyone says they're easy, yet my applications will be completely different, so I'm skeptical.
Glad it helped you. You will love your Axiom. They really make good stuff. For VCarve it’s not that difficult. Watch Mark Lindsay’s videos. You will be doing your thing before long. There’s a huge support community out there for CNC enthusiasts and you will find plenty of folks willing to answer questions. Axiom has a great user forum as well.
Great video! Was wondering what router you were running, I am looking at a similar setup and was wanting to know how well the router holds up over time. Thanks for the informative video.
James Erwin I am running a Porter Cable 892. It has been running flawlessly and I haven’t burned it up yet in a year. The CNC gets about 10-15 hours of usage per week. Just to be safe I have a second one on the shelf, as I cannot afford down time. These routers run about $180.00 or thereabouts.
I’m considering the same machine thanks for the review. How do you feel about the router noise? Would that in any way deter you from buying this model again?
KJS78 you’ll just have to evaluate your needs. If you can afford it get the pro model with water cooled spindle. If I had to do all over I would have done that. Otherwise the router hasn’t been that bad. Noisy? A bit, but what isn’t in a shop. I wear my 3M work tunes so I hear nothing but music anyway! 😀
Good video, I've been looking at these lately, don't know if I missed it but didn't hear you mention what you were using for software, Did you buy the program that they offer (Aspire)? A pretty good chunk of money just for that!
R Bwoodworker I use VCarve Pro. Didn’t have a need for Aspire. I’m sure there’s other stuff out there. AutoCad is free with some restrictions but the learning curve on that is huge. Vectric products are pretty easy to digest if you know how to work with vectors.
Not really. I wear my 3M work tunes all the time in the shop to protect my hearing pretty much no matter what I do with power tools. Plus I like music :) I would likely still wear them even if I were running a spindle. I guess what I'm trying to say is noise is not an issue for me. There are probably other reasons like longevity, etc. that a person would pick a spindle over a router, especially if they are in a production environment running it all day. I am a weekend maker and that is not me right now. If that every changes and I am running it every day, I would likely upgrade. Hopefully that all helps!
Jaez85 thanks for your request! I do have another video on my channel with some toolpaths being run on a flag build. I plan on doing a complete “how-to” video covering everything from concept & design in VCarve Pro, Toolpath Creation and Transfer to the CNC, and final toolpath execution. Stay tuned and click the notification bell so you know when I post new content.
@@BlueLineCNC pauses are better then um , or you can do most of the commentary post production . If you watch Obama he uses pauses but he speaks almost in a rhythm type manner.
@@windcharger1266 i was just trying to help the man . A troll is someone with the intent to spread negativity. Seems as if your the troll in this case .
Steven Cochran the short answer is yes, but like any business you have to have a product people want. You have to know what you are doing and be business savvy.
Brad Green thanks for the feedback. I meant this only to be a quick overview. What would you have liked to have seen? I will definitely try to make my content more useful.
I had one of these for a few years. Same cnc spindle that’s used on laguna swift series large cnc. The ARAxiom series routers are the best small format cnc on the market. They also have the 4Kw ISO30 ATC spindle setups now. If I still had it, I would have converted. Built. strong!
Built very strong indeed! No lateral movement due to it’s stability. At the time, price was a concern and I stuck with the router option. Since then I am running an AVID with an 8.7hp Hiteco spindle in addition to the Axiom. It’s a different animal altogether and runs off Mach4. Each sit next to one another and each have specific jobs in the shop.
@@BlueLineCNC I just discovered your videos and have been going through them. I apologize if you’ve already covered this elsewhere. What’s the difference in uses for the Avid vs Axiom machines? Size aside, is the axiom better at certain projects than the Avid, and vice versa?
@@dmanning55 they are both well built machines. The Axiom runs on ball screws and is extremely precise. However, as such is limited on it fast rates and jogging speeds. Additionally, you can command your file to execute at 225 IPM in VCarve for example, but it is beyond the capabilities of what the machine can actually do. The AVID has a rack and pinion drive system and coupled with the right spindle (I have an 8.7hp Hiteco) can rip through stock extremely fast. With the AVID my production is much quicker. AVID is more expensive and you build it. AVID is a US company. If I’m not mistaken Axiom machines are foreign built. The can both equally produce fine results. For a newbie or hobbyist, the Axiom would be a much better choice, as the AVID is geared towards someone with at least a pro-sumer to professional level of knowledge, as you need to learn and understand the control software, Mach4. AVID will require a computer in the shop to run it. Hope all that helps!
Thanks!, I am looking at buying the axiom 24x48, also I too would go with the basic router motor
Hey, not sure if you knew but the PRO series is also a 4th axis ready.
Mark Lindsey rocks!
Jaez85 4th axis stuff is pretty cool! I’ll probably get a laser before I consider upgrading into a PRO unit though.
Hi Blue line wood flag, I enjoyed your video and was wondering if your selling any of your products that you're making on your cnc. If you have a video where you go into details about this please let me know, thank you.
Hi Kenneth, Most of what I show being made is custom work but it is all offered on my website www.bluelinewoodflags.com We’re you looking for videos about how I specifically sell my items and market them? Not quite sure what you meant. Cheers, Russ
Hi I just bought a axiom iconic eight based off of your video I watched it a few times you seem quite happy with it so thank you for the review question do you have these long red fence clamps I guess can you tell me where you got them because axiom doesn’t sell them they say
Thanks Randy. I don’t remember where I got them. I actually think I got them from Axiom back in 2018. You can easily make your own with aluminum angle iron or square stock and then use t-track bolts. You could even go hardwood such as walnut or maple. No matter what you choose, just make sure it’s square to your spoil board when you tighten them down.
Nice machine! You could have got the spindle in place of the over arm dust collector and the stand. The routers are just so much louder. Awesome shop and beautiful machine tho!
Thanks Scott :)
I actually have the same machine , had a guy at a aluminum shop near me make a bracket for the front and was able to easily install a water cooled spindle .. soo much better abs quieter
Hey Shawn that’s so cool. I’ve actually been thinking of doing the same thing. Would love to see some photos of your setup and where you sourced your spindle, vfd, and everything else!
i lean a little more this way after this video, thanks!
Glad I can help in your decision!
I've just started researching CNC machines a few days ago, and was leaning toward Laguna, but now that I've seen this video, your setup is exactly what I want.
Glad I was able to help in your decision making! I haven’t had any problems with my Axiom CNC and their customer service seems to be “Johnny on the Spot!”
Axiom was top of my list until a used laguna came available for a great price. I am totally happy with my laguna, but that axiom is so sexy 😉
@@scottbuehler7511 the real big reason I'm choosing Axiom is because their liquid cooled spindle contains antifreeze in a recirculation pump. The Laguna uses a bucket of water and a fish tank pump.
True, I don't really like the bucket on the laguna, but really it's not that big of deal.
Check out the Stinger too - www.camaster.com/cnc-routers/stinger-i/
Do you think the hammer 4782 is at the same level of quality???
I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t have any experience with Hammer. I can only speak for the Axiom and my observations of its performance in this video. If it’s something you are considering purchasing, I would heavily research both. The decision is ultimately yours to make.
@@BlueLineCNC thanks!!!! :)
Thank you Russ for the info. May I ask you a question? I am interested in this model. My shop at home has a small door clearance (28" x 84"). I'm more concerned about the cnc machine itself fitting thru this doorway. The stand doesn't seem to be an issue. I'm thinking of the cnc being carted in on its side but not sure about the gantry fitting thru or damaging the machine by laying it on its side. What would you recommend? Also, if you had to do it over again, would you have gone with the Iconic 8 model? Thanks again. Very informative video.
Well at the time they didn’t offer the Iconic, so that is more or less moot. If your gantry will fit on its side, I don’t see why you couldn’t tilt it. Just make sure you have enough guys to manhandle. It’s heavier than you think.
Thank you very much !! Question, I live in Canada and it gets really cold here in winter. Can u have this in garage and run it in cold weather ?
I'm not sure what extremes it will operate at. You may want to reach out and talk with Axiom directly. I never had a problem using it in my garage in Northern California. I don't like the extreme cold or the extreme heat and for that reason I am moving it into a climate controlled work shop.
Hi, How much was the full set . You can share free. Thanks
Does this machine use standard house current, or 220 volts?
My machine (AR6 Basic) uses standard 110V house current at 15 amps. The pro models by Axiom use 220V.
@@BlueLineCNC awesome thanks!
I'm about to go with the same machine, but curious if you had a look at the I2R-8.
I actually did look at it as well. In comparison to the AR series they seemed a little lighter duty than what I was looking for. I think for the maker that wants a quality machine but doesn’t plan on using it a ton, the I2R series would be perfect.
Thank you - I'm deciding between a few right now, and this was very helpful. Nice dust system, too... I'll be blatantly ripping off that idea. :)
Which few were you considering and which one did you get?
@@ivanscountrymusicandcars2357 we moved, so it's not fully even decided yet. I have a dust collector from grizzly, and I'm thinking I'll carve a boot for the Shark and set it up that way.
Have you found that the dust arm base attached to the cnc table to either get in the way or limit the size of the project you can make? Looks like it takes a foot of length
It doesn’t interfere with the y-axis at all.
A whole video without turning on...... you’re craze
Aaron Wilson just posted a video a couple weeks ago showing the entire process from project conception through completion with the CNC in operation. I guess I am a bit “craze” for not firing it up in this one ;). Thanks for your input.
Hi, Do you know What pitch screw ball does the machine use for Y and X axes
Good question for the manufacturer. I just know it works!
@@BlueLineCNC Yes, I did ( they didn't answer yet ) by any chance can you measure with a Caliper. thank you
@@bpushkin3457 the are superb about answering questions and after sale assistance. To answer your question they measure 16mm! 😀
@@BlueLineCNC Thank you but the pitch is 5 or 10 mm
1605 or 1610 Thank you again I really need this !!!
@@bpushkin3457 no problem. It’s a 1605 ball screw. 5mm spacing on the ball screw threads.
Your video was very helpful. Thanks. I did a lot of research on CNC's as well and Axiom is in a class all by itself. Plan on ordering the i2R-6 with much of the same accessories as you. Only concerns I have are understanding and applying the Vetric VCarve CAD designs. Everyone says they're easy, yet my applications will be completely different, so I'm skeptical.
Glad it helped you. You will love your Axiom. They really make good stuff. For VCarve it’s not that difficult. Watch Mark Lindsay’s videos. You will be doing your thing before long. There’s a huge support community out there for CNC enthusiasts and you will find plenty of folks willing to answer questions. Axiom has a great user forum as well.
Hey Peter, did you get your i2R? Are you liking it? I'm about to purchase the Axiom machine, but keep going back to the i2R-8 and reading about it.
hello, can you give the overall dimensions of your machine please, and the available z height? thanks for the review
the green man this particular machine has a 2’ x 3’ bed. Z axis is approx. 6” I believe. You can get detailed specs at axiomprecision.com.
@@BlueLineCNC thanks
Great video! Was wondering what router you were running, I am looking at a similar setup and was wanting to know how well the router holds up over time. Thanks for the informative video.
James Erwin I am running a Porter Cable 892. It has been running flawlessly and I haven’t burned it up yet in a year. The CNC gets about 10-15 hours of usage per week. Just to be safe I have a second one on the shelf, as I cannot afford down time. These routers run about $180.00 or thereabouts.
is this Bill Belicheck? Sounds just like him! haha
I’m considering the same machine thanks for the review. How do you feel about the router noise? Would that in any way deter you from buying this model again?
KJS78 you’ll just have to evaluate your needs. If you can afford it get the pro model with water cooled spindle. If I had to do all over I would have done that. Otherwise the router hasn’t been that bad. Noisy? A bit, but what isn’t in a shop. I wear my 3M work tunes so I hear nothing but music anyway! 😀
Good video, I've been looking at these lately, don't know if I missed it but didn't hear you mention what you were using for software, Did you buy the program that they offer (Aspire)? A pretty good chunk of money just for that!
R Bwoodworker I use VCarve Pro. Didn’t have a need for Aspire. I’m sure there’s other stuff out there. AutoCad is free with some restrictions but the learning curve on that is huge. Vectric products are pretty easy to digest if you know how to work with vectors.
Any regrets not purchasing the 1hp spindle? I’m looking to purchase one like yours. My old Cnc has a 2-1/4 hp Bosch and is very noisy. Thanks
Not really. I wear my 3M work tunes all the time in the shop to protect my hearing pretty much no matter what I do with power tools. Plus I like music :) I would likely still wear them even if I were running a spindle. I guess what I'm trying to say is noise is not an issue for me. There are probably other reasons like longevity, etc. that a person would pick a spindle over a router, especially if they are in a production environment running it all day. I am a weekend maker and that is not me right now. If that every changes and I am running it every day, I would likely upgrade. Hopefully that all helps!
@@BlueLineCNC many thanks for your reply. I’m cautiously moving forward 👍
India price please review
Rookie mistakes are fine. It's how we learn.
Can you show us the machine running? Making a flag.
Jaez85 thanks for your request! I do have another video on my channel with some toolpaths being run on a flag build. I plan on doing a complete “how-to” video covering everything from concept & design in VCarve Pro, Toolpath Creation and Transfer to the CNC, and final toolpath execution. Stay tuned and click the notification bell so you know when I post new content.
"Dirty" shop????
OMG you should see it! As soon as I clean it, it gets crazy again. What is off camera is really a hot mess. 🤪
Advise on your next videos .. don't say ummm
I know right? I am working on getting better in front of the camera.
@@BlueLineCNC pauses are better then um , or you can do most of the commentary post production . If you watch Obama he uses pauses but he speaks almost in a rhythm type manner.
@@jeffreyanderson9719 Sure ok, watch Obama that just speaks volumes in your rude comment...Troll
@@windcharger1266 i was just trying to help the man . A troll is someone with the intent to spread negativity. Seems as if your the troll in this case .
Can you make Money? My fiancé is interested?
Steven Cochran the short answer is yes, but like any business you have to have a product people want. You have to know what you are doing and be business savvy.
BlueLine Wood Flags thanks for responding .
Not the greatest of videos. Sorry. I got more info from the Axiom Precision site.
Brad Green thanks for the feedback. I meant this only to be a quick overview. What would you have liked to have seen? I will definitely try to make my content more useful.