NO BRAKES (but VTEC❤️)! Honda Accord Type R (1st Owner!) // Nürburgring
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Disclaimer: the actions performed in this video are executed by professionals or individuals that consider themselves professional on a closed circuit within the local regulations.
00:00 Intro/Specs
02:01 Lap
12:30 Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
That passenger looked like he was casually riding on the Number 23 bus into town… even when a wall was coming up at 100 mph with no brakes 🤣
typical German calmness :-) I don't think he noticed anything
😂😂😂
Keep Calm...the driver is Misha..😊
Thx Misha for the video 🇵🇹🇩🇪
Yea that's a man of steel right there 😂
Gigachad 😂
Misha: owowow no brakes!
Passenger: 🗿
Same passenger after a crash : 🗿
🤣
@@ludoviclan7700😂😂😂
I love how Misha like “Sh*t! sh*t! No brakes!)
And passenger like oblivious 🗿😂
He own the car he already know there’s never had been around
Ha ha ha! I think the guy didn’t really understand what happened! Maybe he wasn’t so fluent in English. I got higher blood pressure than him watching this from my sofa
If i was sitting in the passenger seat of a car approaching a low speed corner going 180+kph with the brakes not working and the professional driver looking concerned, I'd be absolutely shitting myself. But this dude was chilled tf out.
And i must say Misha did a great job keeping it together.
@user-sama4232 haha yeah 100%
Honda's from this era were absolutely amazing cars
That CH1 was something else.... Built in the UK. Pretty good rigid body and a potent H22 engine that unfortunately likes to blow. I know what I am talking aboutn😅
@@Matt_DC ...sounds like you've got a lot of knowledge in that area...😬
@@TCCcompetition unfortunately yes... Had a big end bearing failure 😅
@@Matt_DC ouch
I can attest the double wishbone suspension in those rides like butter even on 20 year old shocks and springs
The face of a man who trust in Life ,VTEC, Misha, God and the caring of its car all at the same level
man of few words.
😂😂😂😂
Engine is from the same family as Prelude 2.2l VTEC - H22A series. This one is one of the ultimate, along with Prelude Type S, producing 220HP. Before the K-series it was one of the most sought after engines for Honda swaps.
Weirdly enough the Prelude Type-S didn't quite make the horsepower that was claimed. People have dynoed them and CL1 Euro-R's, both have red-top engines that were supposed to make 220 horsepower, but the CL1's were always noticeably more powerful (like, 10-15 horsepower, if I'm remembering correctly).
@@SwapBlogRU Probably exhaust configuration.
@@LegendaryGauntlet I can tell you as a former 5-gen Prelude owner that the Euro-R intake manifold used to be sought after (the Prelude Type-S used a different one, specifically the regular SiR H22 black-top intake manifold). On the other hand, the Type-S had a better intake system than the Euro-R Accord (which was also a sought after item in Prelude owner circles).
Here we see the full effect of @20yr old brake fluid. Full of moisture and boils as soon as you ask it to dissipate heat for more than a couple of seconds.
A fluid and pad change is all it needs.
Great old car.
Then cools off seconds later? Wrong.
@@jhonda1956 Actually thats exactly what points to it being the fluid but go on - lets hear your idea for a laugh.
@@siraff4461look up accord master cylinders. Only replaced 60+ myself.
Those stock brakes were never meant for racing around (probably has drums in the back). I am also guessing the brake system was never fully serviced in 20++ years, so yep, stopping at 180kph is not going to work ))
@@dandaman4985 they have rear discs but they're not the greatest brakes in the world. There is a company selling brackets to fit renaultsport brembos (cheap big brake kit upgrade path)
LOVE HOW IT JUST STAYS REVVING . Hondas all day.
MY DREAM CAR
It's revving but not accelerating. All noise and no go.
@@derbigpr500"no go" at more than 200+ wtf, people's perception about being fast is fried by 1000hp porsches
@@derbigpr500 Yeah. There are plenty of other 4 cylinder 2.2 liter N/A 4-door saloons that are faster, right?
That engine is quite rare in the VTEC world. Very sweet car!
Very rare indeed , first heard of it in the japan only accord euro r
@@domkraggp9944 there is a reason this bodystyle is called a euro accord, it was built in UK.
Idk about rare but over here in Mass you can find them a lot. Great engines. Just need upgrade crankshaft and bearings
@@Tsnxcs.cassoo In NA they are import only.
@@josephmatuszak3855 uh…we had preludes manu here.. what are you saying. Blue top H22 is euro yeah.
Late 90's early 2000's was the golden era for Honda. N/A high revving VTEC bliss!
Light, loud and raw. Just pure fun.
The passengers were very calm
Looks like he did not have fun….
@@VluggeJapie33 no he had fun, he is just 🗿
@@VluggeJapie33the Germans always look like that even when they supposed to have fun 😂
Brake issue was interesting, the ATR has the best brakes of the "golden era" Hondas, using the same big twin pot calipers as the contemporary NSX. Good pads and fluid and they should be mega.
The suspension setup is also pretty advanced with dual wishbone fronts (like others from the time), but a more sophisticated multi link rear rather than the trailing arm setup the DC2 etc used.
The main issue with the ATR as you found out is the gearing which makes it almost impossible to keep in VTEC all the time, they really benefit from a shortened final drive and / or gears.
Cool cars and still relatively cheap too 👍
I never thought that the Accord Type R uses twin piston calipers at front.
Most probably the pads were still stock and had brake fade.
@@hondamueller yeah either that or someone didn't bleed them correctly because it looked like the pedal went straight to the floor
Just need proper pads and fluid which handle that level of thermal load. Pretty easy considering how readily available those upper echelon of products are.
Probably old brake fluid, meaning it likely boiled. Brake fluid is hygroscopic - it attracts moisture - which then reduces the boiling point of the brake fluid. This is why all cars require a brake fluid change every 2 years.
Old circuit habit: you need to pump the brake in the straight to avoid starve line and keep the pads at optimal distance. I never seen misha doing that and wondering when it gonna happen and here we are.
I once replaced my air intake pipe, accidentally forgot to reconnect a vacuum line. Test drove the car, brakes worked fine for first 2-3 stops, didn't think anything of it. Suddenly go to break, pedal goes rock hard, and it isn't slowing down, had all my weight on the pedal and missed the road I was about to make a right turn down. Scary AF. Managed to limp it slowly back home at about 15mph 😂
I had two of these Type R accords over the years! Absolutely loved them. I'd have another in a heartbeat! Made my day seeing this video today! Thanks 😊
I’d never even think to put those wheels on. They compliment the car so well.
Yes, they're giving the car some serious BTCC/JTCC vibes!
that man is a rock. planted, unmoving and silent.
Brings back some great memories of this car running in the btcc back in the day, beautiful car and all the Vtec’s !!! Thank you 🙏 Misha 😜👍🇦🇺
that man doesnt only look like a stoic god, he is a stoic god. 😂
The issue's name is "f**k warming up of brakes"😂. When brake disc is cold and you start to attack, the disc is warming up very quickly. His diameter is increasing very quickly as well. But the hub is not warming up with the same speed and try to hold cold brake disc's diameter. Therefore, hub is starting to bend the brake disc, and you immediately loose your brake efficiency, because pads do not transfer brake pressure to whole brake disc. The hub usually warms up a bit slower than disc and increases its diameter slowly as well. When the hub reaches the same temperature as brake disc and increases his diameter as well, the hub fully releases brake disc and stop to bend him. That's why the brake power is coming back during your driving 😂. FLOATED brake discs do not have this issue, because floated disc can grow in diameter without bending 🎉 And that's why you must warm up your brakes before attack on the track😊.
I'd feel so bad if I asked Misha for a lap and something like this happened with my brakes.
My first time on track I was driving a 5.7 litre V8 in 2008ish which had dot 2 brake fluid. I had no idea brake fluid could boil but coming into a corner after full send and the brake pedal went flat! Luckily because I was new to track driving I came off the gas early so pumped the brakes to try build pressure and slowed down enough to take the corner with a very puckered butthole. Took the next exit, and parked the car with smoke bellowing out of my wheels.
I got myself a 718 GT4 in September, just waiting for spring to take it on track - can't wait, it's going to be way better. These videos hype me up for it so much
Seemed like old brake fluid boiling in the calipers, though ABS seemed to be active just beforehand. Well done as always.
Exactly! i had the same issue on my car because the break fluid was old though when i checked the pads & break lines were intact!
@@zf8496 I was with a mate on a trackday with a tuned TVR Griffith 500, it is bloody scary when the fluid boils, suddenly no brakes at all.
I have the pleasure to own one of this. It is just an amazing car. The suspension is confortable and efective. And the engine... You just can love it. Difficult to keep in the vtec range because of the gearbox (from 5800 to 7900 rpm). But it is a great car. You can really feel one with the car
Nice save on that turn 👏 👏
Was ready to handbrake it into the gravel💩
This is one of the rarest cars I’ve ever seen actually driven. I know I’m late but I’m a new subscriber. So I’m catching up!
Is the most forgotten accord, in my opinion is beautiful car powerful, family car and very rare than other euro R and type R..
Congratulations on the 1 million subs Misha. And them brakes were screaming for dear life
I own a 5h gen prelude and have been waiting so see you drive one Misha but the h22a7 was close enough for me!!!! Loved every second of this one!
Had one of those for 12 years. Really miss that sound!
Shouldn’t laugh but your face of pure terror and the guy just didn’t even notice 😂
Man Hondas are just special. Always wanted one and just recently got one. And man Honda knows how to make cars
Finally an accord in the channel! So great to see, currently building a cb7 coupe with an H23 vtec
I miss my old accord type r, only had it for 1 month had to sell it due to financial reasons back in 2019, I done 1 track day and done about 60 laps at bedford autodrome, good time
This video has everything! Glorious H series music, 25 year old brakes, full honda-boy downshifts, BIG WING! Fantastic car and video Misha!
My guess is that the brake fluid had never been completely flushed before. My 31-year old Prelude with mint interior, had the most contaminated brake & clutch fluid I had ever seen. Loved to see the H22 in action and in the hands of a master!
Finally some 6 Gen Accord!
I own the US Coupe version of this and it's really fun to drive.
I was so excited when I seen this as I owned a type r for 3 years when it was 5 years old. I loved it. Disappointed about the brakes but you still tried to make it worthwhile
Gotta love Misha style when it comes to old vtec hondas. Foot to the floor, hit the limiter and see what happens later. Give it all, find the limits and then enjoy it. That's the way these cars were meant to be driven in.
The epitomy of a stoic man in the front passenger seat.
Very nice second hand car. Congratulations to the second owner and thank you for showing us this Accord type r.
PS I just bought next family car Cupra Ateca so I’ll bring it you when the track reopens as haven’t see one on the channel. Reminds me of when you speak to a taxi driver in another country and they just don’t understand a word😂great car man absolutely love it, hardly see any of them in the uk anymore but I would definitely buy one. Nice lap as always Misha keeping us entertained off season as per🔥
Oh shiiii!!! I literally searched three days ago to see if you had driven an accord on the channel and didn't see any! Let's go Misha!❤
I've got a completely stock 2000 Accord Type R in dry storage , I used it for 2 years and decided to tuck it away instead of selling it... 14 years later I'm glad i made that decision, I think it'll prove to be a nice little nest egg 😎 Fabulous cars!, Dropping out of VTEC between gears was my only criticism, aside from that an absolutely wonderful car in every area 👌
This was a nice surprise! I also own an an ATR in the exact same spec as this, Vesuvius Red pre-facelift model! I absolutely adore these cars and have owned mine for years. I have a couple here for donor parts and i also have the JDM variant, a Torneo Euro R.
Which one do you like more? I have an atr and my uncle has the torneo but couldnt drive it much to see much of a diffrence
@@tomolomo23 To drive, the ATR. ATRs are around 100kg lighter, have a wider wheel track, more aggressive VTEC crossover and of course, the fantastic steering wheel.
The Torneo has JDM pedigree and is still one hell of a car to drive, but on a twisty backroad, the ATR will leave it for dead. However, the Euro R is a nicer daily.
Love the h22! Takes boost very well too
Love watching him drive the nurburgring. This honda is amazing. It kept up with the silver bmw
Yes finally, my favorite type r ❤❤
サンタクロースのようなヒゲが素晴らしいですね
VTECのように伸びてます
I had this car, 1.8cc , was so fun to push for it, i can only imagine this one, never had a chance to drive one.
Ervaring helpt bij technische problemen tot een goed eind brengen, en dat heb je Misha.
From the sound it seemed like ABS kicked in like if you were on ice…
pedal was to the floor tho.
No looked like a Brake fluids issue! like the guy above me said! the pedal was on the floor!
This is pretty common. Probably mostly for older vehicles, but the G's sometimes move the brake fluid enough to not have enough fluid to build pressure. Most commonly under left foot braking. Team O'Neil rally school has a good video on it. I don't remember if it was specific to this phenomenon, but it definitely covers it.
Probably boiled the brake fluid
@@WelshyAutomotive probably not boiled considering they started working again moments later and that wouldn't of been enough time to cool. Was just a high G force corner that starved the brake lines most likely
old Japanese sports car
Driving on the Nürburgring
I'm happy to see you.
Thank you to the driver and owner.
I used to own one of these. Incredible car. It was the era that everyone had an evo or an Impreza. Was one of the best handling cars I ever owned.
I have a feeling the reason there are less around is there was some sort of joint venture with British company rover, so a lot of the accords were put in a different body and badged as a rover. Not sure exactly how it worked but it was something along those lines.
Owned a civic produced by Rover in the UK, night and day quality from the Japan produced cars
The owner/passenger is the most stoic person ever. Like a statue. 😅
I daily drove an Accord Type R for a few years.
Fantastic all around car, still miss it today.
When I was a student a long time ago, Accord Type R was the car of my dreams. Nostalgia..
I got a 97 prelude with a H22A, amazing car
Next time if no brakes press the brake pedal again, most time if sudden no brakes one brake pad has left the building because it has become to thin so it can pop out through the gap of the brake pad bracket and disk, by pumping the pedal you fill up the gap again to restore the brake pressure. You are then braking metal to metal but in most cars you wont even notice..one in the previous video the same
I was thinking maybe it was what we call brake push over here, basically what you said 😂.
Sweet car. Brakes are an easy upgrade, so it'll be easy to make this thing really fly 👌
Oldie but Goldie. I Love old vtech ❤
He seemed more uncomfortable when going at speed but surprisingly calm and solid as a stone when the brakes were failing 🤷
Finally Accord Type R in the lovley Vesuvio Red and the Pre-facelifted one!! 🤩 It comes with LSD stock..and twinpipe exhaust is stock to and it comes with Xenon headlights from stock when it's first launched and Ac was an option.! AWSOME lap and AMAZING car!!!!😍😍😍😍😍 But the car sounded/looked a bit weak on tourque.. u drove it with ac on? In that case that's why cuse it takes alot of power.! Sad about the brakes and alot of cars.. hope he will fix that and u get to drive it way harder cuse it can be driven way harder. Thanks for the video owner👏
Glad to see an accord type r on here. I need to import one of these to cali. Unless i wait if i move to europe!
Even with standard suspension they handle Amazingly well. I have had one for 15 years .
Dudes ‘Straight Outta Sparta’
Great job
Keep it up
A different level of relaxivity
this brings back so many memory i had an Accord Type-R CH1 got it from new and did 186'000Km on it :)
misha is getting hondafied lmao
Love those wheels!! They give some special DTM vibe
I love how this car looks
Beautiful atr and best colour....... even though I'm biast, h22 is a fantastic engine and amazing when tuned 👌
Im so glad i changed to a 4.64fd and a lighter flywheel, completely transforms these👍
Never enough love for the h22
I love those Accord Type Rs, they look brilliant and is a real car.
Passenger is very calm. It is crazy actually. Well done misha.
ATR was the first Honda I have ever driven. Since then Iam in love.
2:30 VTEC KICKED IN YO! 🔥🔥🔥
Perfectly timed video as I just put my CL1 away for winter hibernation. These are definitely a hidden gem but the prices are about to jump when the become US legal next year👌🏾
I don't they will jump much, there's not many left in the UK so there will very few available to import. The oldest ATRs are now 25 years old.
i LOVE THESE ACCORDS i had the f20 aka a d16 but bigger lol and i loved how it handeld i had 2 aswell a s reg 1998 none vtec then a 2002 vtec one and jesus they sooooo fun to drive
I've driven one of these in anger a few times - has to be said, they're fucking exceptional cars to push, ridiculously intuitive. You can't quite convey it in a video, but the confidence the diff gives you when it engages on these is like nothing I've really experienced in a FWD car either, my old MB6 Civic was probably the closest thing...all in a stupendously practical chassis.
Wonderful sound!
in US i had a 1996 honda accord 2 dr Special edition. But it was similar red color and i would park next to my buddys BMW 3 series around the same year and i would look and wonder who stole design from who lol bothe were res both had sunroof and looking down from the office we were at and laugh because he ran a loud honda sounding exhaust and me. i left my accord stock because i had other cars i was building. i love older civics a ittle more but as i got older and got bigger accords make more sense but nothing like the box civic si hatch from late 80s early 90s in the US
Love the colour
One of the best Offspring songs
Is it just me or has there been a lot of no brakes incidents lately😅
That’s maybe because no one change the brake fluid every two years
2:58 even this guy misses sometimes the perfect rev match ... so don't feel that bad when you miss it too.
doood is sooo calm.. xD i love it
Wow an Accord Type R, those are very rare. Pretty cool drive
My dream car!!
Sehr geil der Honda ein Traum ❤
Mischa worrying about not so super sticky modern tyres, forgets about 25 year old brake tech. That was a brown pants moment.
I see Accord Type R, I instantly watch the video. Such a great-handling car.
beautiful car for that age! looks like new!
Honestly one of my dream cars to own.
Very BTCC/SuperTouring vibes with the OZ wheels. Very Cool car. Too bad about the brakes..With some more mods and a big brake kit would be a great track car.
Had a H22 in a Prelude. So smooth.
Adding a thermal shield around the exhaust manifold would be useful for reliability.
The video I wanted that I thought I'd never get 😍
Well ive got the same car with a H23 Bluetop engine... so obviously im pumped to see this
That it got a German License Plate makes it even more amazing
Reason why these aren't seen alot is because only just under 3800 of them where produced, which makes it one of the rarest Type R's after the FK2 Type R, and probably NSX Type R 😄
All of these where produced in the Sindon plant in England, for Europe specifically, and 2000 of them were sold in the UK.
Also the H22 engine was Honda's engine of choice for touring car racing, both in Accords and the Civic EG9 in Japan.