Not only did the war demonstrate the most advanced technologies, but also the most archaic and primitive. Nuclear weapons were used extensively by both sides with the Romulans using them to glass Earth Colonies while Earth used them mainly to disable large groupings of Romulan vessels with an electromagnetic pulse. Computer technology also took a severe dive in the war as the Romulans were skilled in hacking and compromising advanced computer systems. Earth had to rely on more mature technologies before more durable advanced alternatives could be designed and distributed.
Interesting element about the Romulans reaction to their alarmed situation regarding Earth's increasing influence with the other powers in the region; as their hacktools proved weakest against Earth vessels, yet the Vulcan's ships and the vessels of the other main powers in the region proved funtionally *Helpless* against their "telecapture" devices that turned their foes' ships into zombie bot vessels where the entire crew was *dead* and the vessel was under their own remote control to do damage until the vessel's own initial owner state destroyed it.
In fact, they had T'Liss-class "Interceptors" (their destroyer class) in the war, but those were never used in direct combat: it seemed as though the same ship class as they used in "Balance of Terror" their state had specifically relegated to remote control capture and refused to use them at all in overt combat; they used them almost entirely to do remote control capture of enemy vessels, so they were fighting the war *smart* at that, if also truly sadistically as well, and most irregularly: they had a distinct preference for asemetric warfare: using fighter swarms to wipe out enemy fleets was a distinct preference in tactics; as was remote control siezure of enemy ships in operations to do the damage for them.
The T'Liss class shared it's name with the Bird of Prey from Balance of Terror. But they were 2 different classes. The 2260s T'Liss is a successor to the 22nd century Romulan Bird of Prey (called a T'Varo in Star Trek Online).
@@richardched6085 Well, therein the "Star Trek Online" is worthless, as the earlier established canon is automatically the valid one in any conflict at all. The two models are at most different models of the same kind of ship regarding purposes and intent; the T'Liss is really therefore an upgraded "destroyer/interceptor" from that one, simple as that.
@@chissstardestroyer to be fair, the Drone ship is only called a "modified Warbird" in canon. It never had the name "T'Liss" in purely canonical works. Only the 23rd century Bird of Prey has that honor. The Bird of Prey from the 22nd century is nameless.
@@richardched6085 Yeah, and the T'Liss class was the model that showed up primarily in "Balance of Terror" yet those ships were used in the background in the Romulan War; the reason is simple: they didn't want to use their most advanced ships in combat- it is not their way- too risky for their best equipment. "Never show your true strength" and all that argument.
Thanks! I haven't really made anything in a couple of months but I was really pumping them out there for a little bit. I loved using legacy to collect footage. We really need a new Star Trek inspired game but Star Trek online is currently holding everything back I think. Legacy is such a great game though it holds up even today
They didn't *have* phasers nor photon torpedoes back then, the war, as Mr. Spock makes clear in "Balance of Terror' was fought with primitive (by their tech levels) nuclear weapons, and while the Romulans had fleets of almost entirely shuttlecraft-fighters for doing most if not all of the damage; the vessels were very primitive compared to Classic-level Star Trek.
This has been somewhat retconned by Star Trek Enterprise. But the use of nuclear weapons and primitive starships can still work as Earth had to fall back upon more mature technologies to make any headway.
@@richardched6085 Well, first of all: 'retconning' is an impossibility; so no, it hasn't, as any and all "retconning" is ipso-facto null and void, and also noncanonical in and of itself.
@@chissstardestroyer what I meant is that the description Spock gave in "Balance of Terror" in TOS regarding the Earth Romulan War isn't necessarily incompatible with Star Trek Enterprise even though it might seem so on a surface level. Going by purely canon official anything, we have very little concrete information about the specifics of the Earth Romulan War. This very video uses mostly beta canon (beta canon referring to secondary officially licensed works like novels) sources and conjecture.
@@richardched6085 Yeah, and the biggest clue to your defense really is that data could easily be lost in any war. He did say that not much data on the conflict remains. Novels that're sold with royalty contracts are canon, you're either canon or you're not; there aren't degrees thereof; it is either positive or negative; simple as that.
@@chissstardestroyer data wasn't lost on the Earth Romulan War. It was lost on the Eugenics Wars. Beta canon is effectively non-canon. I wasn't disagreeing with you lol.
Ahh Romulan Birds of Prey could not cloak in this era. In Balance of Terror Spock makes it blatantly clear that ship cloaking was only theoretically possible to Starfleet until the 2260s so there's no logical way Romulans had the ability during the war. Starfleet classifying Suliban cloaking tech because its the result of temporal interference makes some sense but there's no logical way the Romulans could have cloaked ships active in the war without Starfleet knowing it Also based on Balance of Terror the Plasma Torpedo was a new weapon or at least new enough in the 2260s that Starfleet wasn't familiar with it.
If that was true, the romulans should never have any cloaking devices until the 2260s, which is in the 23rd century (T.O.S era), besides they should have some nuclear weapons or something!
@@zshah3107 They still had Nukes in the 2260s. They were intended as self-destruct charges but could be, and were in at least one case were, still used as weapons.
@@justinhammer3196 They did have FTL. It's just that it was very slow by Starfleet standards in the mid 23rd century. The Romulans didn't use matter-antimatter reactors and used Fusion Engines. This resulted in slower speeds than what the Constitution class was capable of. In the mid 22nd century however, Romulan FTL drives were sufficient for the era despite being fusion based. Remember the Enterprise in TOS was able to go faster than light using the Impulse Engines in "Where no man has gone before" but far slower than what it could accomplish with the Warp Engines. Going by this logic, when Scotty says the Romulan's "power is simple impulse" it means that they are limited in much the same way, still able to travel at FTL speeds, just not as fast as the Enterprise and it's Warp Drive. Obviously, the nature of Warp and Impulse Engines became more fleshed out in later media with Impulse being Sublight only. This wasn't the case in TOS.
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Not only did the war demonstrate the most advanced technologies, but also the most archaic and primitive. Nuclear weapons were used extensively by both sides with the Romulans using them to glass Earth Colonies while Earth used them mainly to disable large groupings of Romulan vessels with an electromagnetic pulse. Computer technology also took a severe dive in the war as the Romulans were skilled in hacking and compromising advanced computer systems. Earth had to rely on more mature technologies before more durable advanced alternatives could be designed and distributed.
Interesting element about the Romulans reaction to their alarmed situation regarding Earth's increasing influence with the other powers in the region; as their hacktools proved weakest against Earth vessels, yet the Vulcan's ships and the vessels of the other main powers in the region proved funtionally *Helpless* against their "telecapture" devices that turned their foes' ships into zombie bot vessels where the entire crew was *dead* and the vessel was under their own remote control to do damage until the vessel's own initial owner state destroyed it.
In fact, they had T'Liss-class "Interceptors" (their destroyer class) in the war, but those were never used in direct combat: it seemed as though the same ship class as they used in "Balance of Terror" their state had specifically relegated to remote control capture and refused to use them at all in overt combat; they used them almost entirely to do remote control capture of enemy vessels, so they were fighting the war *smart* at that, if also truly sadistically as well, and most irregularly: they had a distinct preference for asemetric warfare: using fighter swarms to wipe out enemy fleets was a distinct preference in tactics; as was remote control siezure of enemy ships in operations to do the damage for them.
The T'Liss class shared it's name with the Bird of Prey from Balance of Terror. But they were 2 different classes. The 2260s T'Liss is a successor to the 22nd century Romulan Bird of Prey (called a T'Varo in Star Trek Online).
@@richardched6085 Well, therein the "Star Trek Online" is worthless, as the earlier established canon is automatically the valid one in any conflict at all.
The two models are at most different models of the same kind of ship regarding purposes and intent; the T'Liss is really therefore an upgraded "destroyer/interceptor" from that one, simple as that.
@@chissstardestroyer to be fair, the Drone ship is only called a "modified Warbird" in canon. It never had the name "T'Liss" in purely canonical works. Only the 23rd century Bird of Prey has that honor. The Bird of Prey from the 22nd century is nameless.
@@richardched6085 Yeah, and the T'Liss class was the model that showed up primarily in "Balance of Terror" yet those ships were used in the background in the Romulan War; the reason is simple: they didn't want to use their most advanced ships in combat- it is not their way- too risky for their best equipment.
"Never show your true strength" and all that argument.
I like that you used some legacy footage. Legacy is one of my favorite games.
Thanks! I haven't really made anything in a couple of months but I was really pumping them out there for a little bit. I loved using legacy to collect footage. We really need a new Star Trek inspired game but Star Trek online is currently holding everything back I think. Legacy is such a great game though it holds up even today
They didn't *have* phasers nor photon torpedoes back then, the war, as Mr. Spock makes clear in "Balance of Terror' was fought with primitive (by their tech levels) nuclear weapons, and while the Romulans had fleets of almost entirely shuttlecraft-fighters for doing most if not all of the damage; the vessels were very primitive compared to Classic-level Star Trek.
This has been somewhat retconned by Star Trek Enterprise. But the use of nuclear weapons and primitive starships can still work as Earth had to fall back upon more mature technologies to make any headway.
@@richardched6085 Well, first of all: 'retconning' is an impossibility; so no, it hasn't, as any and all "retconning" is ipso-facto null and void, and also noncanonical in and of itself.
@@chissstardestroyer what I meant is that the description Spock gave in "Balance of Terror" in TOS regarding the Earth Romulan War isn't necessarily incompatible with Star Trek Enterprise even though it might seem so on a surface level. Going by purely canon official anything, we have very little concrete information about the specifics of the Earth Romulan War. This very video uses mostly beta canon (beta canon referring to secondary officially licensed works like novels) sources and conjecture.
@@richardched6085 Yeah, and the biggest clue to your defense really is that data could easily be lost in any war.
He did say that not much data on the conflict remains.
Novels that're sold with royalty contracts are canon, you're either canon or you're not; there aren't degrees thereof; it is either positive or negative; simple as that.
@@chissstardestroyer data wasn't lost on the Earth Romulan War. It was lost on the Eugenics Wars. Beta canon is effectively non-canon. I wasn't disagreeing with you lol.
Ahh Romulan Birds of Prey could not cloak in this era. In Balance of Terror Spock makes it blatantly clear that ship cloaking was only theoretically possible to Starfleet until the 2260s so there's no logical way Romulans had the ability during the war. Starfleet classifying Suliban cloaking tech because its the result of temporal interference makes some sense but there's no logical way the Romulans could have cloaked ships active in the war without Starfleet knowing it Also based on Balance of Terror the Plasma Torpedo was a new weapon or at least new enough in the 2260s that Starfleet wasn't familiar with it.
If that was true, the romulans should never have any cloaking devices until the 2260s, which is in the 23rd century (T.O.S era), besides they should have some nuclear weapons or something!
@@zshah3107 They still had Nukes in the 2260s. They were intended as self-destruct charges but could be, and were in at least one case were, still used as weapons.
The Romulans had no warp drive so how the Frick did they reach Earth?
@@justinhammer3196 They did have FTL. It's just that it was very slow by Starfleet standards in the mid 23rd century. The Romulans didn't use matter-antimatter reactors and used Fusion Engines. This resulted in slower speeds than what the Constitution class was capable of. In the mid 22nd century however, Romulan FTL drives were sufficient for the era despite being fusion based.
Remember the Enterprise in TOS was able to go faster than light using the Impulse Engines in "Where no man has gone before" but far slower than what it could accomplish with the Warp Engines.
Going by this logic, when Scotty says the Romulan's "power is simple impulse" it means that they are limited in much the same way, still able to travel at FTL speeds, just not as fast as the Enterprise and it's Warp Drive.
Obviously, the nature of Warp and Impulse Engines became more fleshed out in later media with Impulse being Sublight only. This wasn't the case in TOS.