The craziest part about the dismembering, is that all of his memories were probably changing at the same time - into some horrific life no one would want to live.
@@hunterspride18 you don't understand why him loosing body parts immediately after getting the warning matters? It means no matter what he did they were taking them away. He was almost immediately going there and still lost his limbs.
@@rylanbender1212 Unless young Seth was unconscious or kept in coma for 30+ years before a deformed older Seth is sent back to his younger self to finish off, which finally closes the loop.
They're a communist dictatorship that do whatever it takes to achieve a 1984-like control, consuming everything in their path like locusts. You love that too?
The reason this is stupid is because if his past self was getting injured, his future self would have those memories. In other words, he wouldn’t be staring at his missing finger in shock because it wouldn’t have just disappeared, it technically disappeared in the past already.. hence the wounds being healed already.. if the rules of the movie show that his body is losing fingers, then his brain would also be affected by the events in the past and forming wrinkles (aka memories). You can’t say it affects his fingers and body bear the lasting marks of the dismemberment but not his brain aka memories.. scene makes zero sense bc it breaks its own rules. It just isn’t thought through well enough.
@@MtnMania when you have a story media etc set in fantasy or science fiction there are rules set up that the universe follows. poor writing is when you see those rules bent and broken with no explanation. the rules are usually introduced in the first quarter of the media. changes to the rules ways they can be bent or sometimes broken are outline in the later half. This movie set up its own rules regarding time travel etc. but it did not follow its own rules. making scenes like this and some others a scene that makes you pause or break from your immersion. a common failure outlined in writing within science fiction and fantasy one writers try to avoid. Someone quite thoroughly explained to you why the rules being broken makes no sense. and you choose the flimsiest response for your entertainment or thinking others may notice or care. In short education is pretty important. you should perhaps return to it.
It really is. I had never heard of it the first time I saw it... It's as good as, and just as obscure as Idiocracy. Both potent stories in their own right, and well worth watching _several times_ . Particularly this scene, which as other have said, is both horrific and ingenious.
Daniels telling him to go to China I think changes the entire course of the future. Notice he actually does go to China in the flashforward scene where he eventually finds the love of his life that kicks this all into motion. If he had actually gone to France things might have been different.
He *did* go to France, he just eventually went to China, mostly because it's implied he was running out of money and his skillset would be more lucrative there. Old Joe tells young Joe that he doesn't regret his time in France, or learning French. If he'd gone to China earlier than was intended it's more than likely he'd have never met the love of his life because the timing would be off.
@@TheFachen Yeah, and going back and watching the scene in question, he says he never regrets learning French - he doesn't say he actually went to France. Whoops.
i just realized this, he actually had no choice but to give him up, he was hidden in the safe with his silver, he would have been found out regardless.
@@ThomasFerrugia You think his organised crime buddies are so trusting they're just gonna let him go and get the money alone while they sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for him to come back?
The thing is. His friend was hiding in the safe with his silver. Even if he didn't give him up, they would have found him. There was no way to help him.
I like the scene after he leaves the mob hangout, when he goes back to his apartment and checks the safe to see if the bars are there. He notices one out of place so reaches down to straighten it and gets Seth's blood on his hands. He had blood on his hands metaphorically and now literally. It's a little on the nose but I liked the commentary about the greed, loyalty, and the power of choice.
You are all thinking Avengers time travel and the multiple timeline theory. This is a new concept. Prior to that, every movie emphasized that any change in the past will affect the future self. Time Cop, Back to the Future, Frequency etc.
This scene is truly brilliant, intriguing and horrific. Great writing. The way memories change and fade like Bruce Willis demonstrates as his wife's memory does sets the framework movies time travel 'rules on changes to the past effecting the future. Therefore, this character occupying the same timeline as his younger self, who is getting horrifically amputated in real time, is suddenly having memories fade of a good life and of such things as smell, touch, walking... having a tounge, limbs (no doubt castration). He realises aside from there obviously being no future for him, there is no future for his younger self. Everything he may have achieved over the last 30 years are disappearing from his mind. Death is the best option so that is younger self does not at least become a Metallica song This scene is a scene that lives with people and one of the many reasons Looper is such a great achievement
I hate to say it, but Old Seth screwed himself. He didn't just try to cheat death; he didn't even leave the gold for his younger self. If he had gotten away his presumably happy retirement would have changed into something probably less fun anyway. And he should have known SOMETHING would happen, even if he didn't imagine this. The best thing to do in this very specific fictional situation is to make your peace with it as the 30 years wind down. Just saying.
I agree that Future Seth screwed himself. I disagree about your best solution. The best thing to do is to knock out Seth Prime and take him somewhere he can tie him up and convince himself to go on the run together. Future Seth has the best idea of where they could travel to avoid the organization. They have all that gold, and Future Seth's knowledge of what's to come to live off of. They both live happy and free, eventually Future Seth dies. Seth Prime continues to live and eventually dies closing the loop. More than likely, they'd both be found tho. Future Seth would be killed, Seth Prime would be sedated and put in a permanent coma until he gets old enough to be sent back. They'd have someone else ready to kill Seth Prime and the loop would be closed.
Yeah, it's Old Seth's fault, like Joe told his future self "it's my life, you had yours already." Old Seth had 30 years living his post-looper life and his refusal to accept his fate prevented his younger self from living that life.
Matt Jacks is sitting next to me. At the same time, Matt Jacks from 30 years into the future is also sitting next to me. There are now two Matt Jacks sitting next to me. One Matt Jack from present day (now) and one from the future. If I cut the arm off of present day Matt Jacks, what would happen to the Matt Jacks in the future, who is sitting right next to the present day Matt Jacks?
What always bothered me about this scene is that future Seth when he was young killed his older self. However for some reason Seth in this time timeline didnt. Its there a hint as to why it happened?
Most likely a paradox of some kind. I was thinking you could say it was a Seth from a different universe but that wouldn't explain him getting deformed. Honestly time travel is hard to write perfectly
He already knew that his younger self was going to kill him. He already did it years ago. That’s why Old Seth started singing the lullaby at the execution spot, as a way to confuse the younger self. Because he knew he was been sent back in time to be killed by his younger self. It’s crazy.
It's so your suspension of disbelief wouldn't go away when the main character escapes from his younger self. Without this set-up you wouldn't have been invested in watching it, and the use of the body horror of him slowly losing all his body parts is so shocking that you don't ask questions at the moment. If I had to guess, I'm assuming they reversed the amputations as soon as they killed his older self since he was put under and on an operating table.
@@edluke3415 If they reversed the amputations (what?) then old man Seth wouldn't have the disfigurements. He had to spend the rest of his life that way so that the old man got the messages.
Just realized that the dude in the beginning looks like Slavjov Zizek and thought it was a weird cameo until he started speaking like he wasn't on the verge of hucking a large luggie at any second.
This form of time travel makes no sense. If someone started altering his body in his past, the guy wouldn't be seeing the changes in real-time (although I understand why they present it that way for the viewer). For him, it would be normal to see, because from his perspective, however his body is at that point is how it has ALWAYS been since the changes were made to him all those years ago. In fact, it doesn't even make sense for him to be crawling from the car at all. If his legs were chopped off years ago, he wouldn't have been able to drive the car there.
I think the reason it's in real time is that the timelines are merging. Originally he was future Seth from able bodied Seth who closed the loop on himself. Yet this branch timeline he creates by confusing Seth who at this point has his limbs. His future in the present is not set. He hasn't been delimbed. That means future Seth also keeps his limbs as to this point that event still hasn't happened to Seth. And won't happen until it does this collapsing the timelines of probabilities into the singularity of delimbed Seth. When current Seth is trying to escape there are presumably possibilities quantum that he may escape and keep his limbs, which, means future Seth is keeping his. Only once Seth present is captured and they start chopping him up does that become an historical event happening to future Seth in real time. They could for example have left it at fingers. Plus given him more time then the past would be fixed at no fingers. And so on.
This is unrelated but anytime I see the halfway gone, skull-looking nose in movies or whatever, I wonder what breathing through that nose feels like. Like when you breathe in, it just so much air in your face all at once that it feels unbearably weird? Like you have a second mouth on your face? OR is it the most unclogged and oxygenated you've ever felt, vacuuming in air from those giant face tunnels?
I remember how hyped that movie was when it first came out. That scene was good until you actually used your 🧠. If that version of the guy had already lived a life non amputated, you can't amputate a different version of him in the past while the future him is still in his present. It's completely illogical in a time travel setup.
Are you really trying to understand how time travel works? there are scientists leagues above your IQ and with a much greater understanding of the world that have even said there's no logic or accurate reasoning to time travel because it's fiction
@@jacobjester4761 Last time I checked . . . Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku, and Neil Degrasse Tyson said time travel is possible. What MOST physicists say is NOT possible though is time travel into the past in a closed loop model. They say that time travel into the future would be possible in both closed and open loop models, but time travel into the past would only be possible in an open loop model.
@@Aaron-zt5ee In the search box, type in "How To Time Travel Explained By Neil Degrasse Tyson". He explains how they have known how to travel into the future for decades. Power sources and protecting the human body from the rigors of speed of light travel are what stand in the way. As for time travel into the past, that could only work in an open causality loop model where humans have access to higher dimensions. This would allow them to visualize different timelines and then travel to that possibility space.
I've gathered that it seems the movie is a mix of alternate universes and standard time travel logic. There's no other explanation for why you would be losing limbs like it's Back to the Future.
It sucks cause older Seth knew he had no choice but to go back and let his younger self still have a chance. Cause no matter what if he keeps running, his young self will just get deleted.
Okay, if dude's parts got lopped off _in his own past,_ it wouldnt be instant and surprising in his present. He would just always have been missing those parts, and likely wouldn't be where he is doing what he is. *Looper* has such garbage time dynamics.
Well said. This movie is riddled with plot holes since it adheres to a closed loop model of time travel. Just watch out for that stalker "Vincent Proud" that attacks anyone that mocks his favorite movie. 😆
My theory is they sedated Seth Prime and kept him in a coma until he was old enough to be sent back in time where they'd kill him and close the loop. So, as Future Seth is climbing the fence he notices his pinky missing. Then his nose, and now he's realizing omg this is what they did to me after they sedated me. He freaks out knowing he has no chance of any kind of a decent life on the run so he gives himself up. My guess is they keep the body of Future Seth and it disappears when they send Seth prime back for loop closing.
They’re different but linked. Every change to the present self overwrites the future self, but it’s only has it happens in the present. We see this with the main character’s memories slowly overwriting and warping his future self.
Makes no sense.....somehow magically even though they cut off his limbs he'd still have a potential future where he still makes it all the way to his current situation, EXACTLY in the same place and time?
Oh Man rewatching this Scene Today? The Most Horrifying Scene ever Old Seth is watching his Fingers his Arms and Legs begin to quit working like they should all because Seth let his Looper Run!
Great scene until you start thinking about it. Let's say the amputations were at 20 min interval, for the future self it doesn't matter, because it was 20 years ago, so he wouldn't be able to climb fences, drive cars etc...
This scene only works if they let the younger Seth go. However, it still wouldn't work because the older Seth would know what happens in the past. The more you think about it. The worse it gets. Till you get to the point where the entire premise of the movie doesn't work. There would need to be multiple timelines for this scene to work as written with a few tweaks. Which completely defeats the purpose of what the movie was going for with a single timeline.
not if the loop is never closed , it alters the timeline in that sense , and with an altered timeline of course he saw it like that , plus it's an altered timeline , what posses you to think he'd have memory of it , that's not how alternate timelines work dude
This movie made absolutely no sense and this scene is one of the most egregious example of it. If they were cutting those parts off it would change the future, not only changing the version of him from the future that's in the past but changing how that future played out. Because how could the future him even be able to travel to the past while missing his limbs? So that whole timeline suddenly doesn't work meaning the only way that does work is through a split timeline in which case those wounds wouldn't have even shown up on future him.
the only reason this scene can make sense is quantum super positioning. Seth basically is alive and dead at the same time. untill he was killed any potential for survival with removal of organs to the events of today would of tore his mind in to bits but i personally believe in parallele worlds and time travel is more like reloading a save state if you do it like the butterfly effect where you can return to a memory and replay. but then you have transference of matter though time, if you do this you create a branch reality essntially new time line the old one exists still but you do not as you would never be able to return to that time line as the event of you returning to the past (again data save states) would mean you bring matter and knowledge with you but you do not effect your origin time line only the time line you currently are stable in. so i don't really like Roundhead Johnson's take on time travel because it really is dumb
The only horrifying thing about this scene is the writing. It makes no sense at all with the time travel "logic" (or the several logics, the film really isn't too sure about it) of the rest of the film.
Why does the message appear on his arm at that moment? If the past was rewritten such that he had that carved into him then he’d remember having it for years.
@joshschmidt3841 That would be true if you see the past and present events happening in a single timeline, but for cinematic effect, you'd probably have to imagine the point of view of the same guy traversing horizontally across the multiple parallel timeline branches spawned as they're slicing his limbs off (for eg. 1% of limbs sliced, 2% of limbs sliced, 3% of limbs sliced, etc... up to 100% of limbs sliced) to arrive at that particular branch where his limbs are completely gone. The only reconciliation challenge is that most people would consider the victim having a separate and distinct consciousness in each of these parallel timelines. So yes ultimately I agree that it's unlikely that the same person could traverse across parallel timelines and see his own limbs disappear piece by piece. I prefer to imagine that we (as the viewer) instead are the ones transported across the parallel timelines of outcomes at that precise minute in time, and then for us the story continues from that timeline where he lost all his limbs. But hey - just follow Nolan's advice. Don't try to understand it, just try to feel it :)
@joshschmidt3841no one know how time travel works that's why is science fiction, the director clearly don't want viewers to think about that mumbo jumbo and make it as simple as possible
Yes, if you think about it, it doesn't make sense, but c'mon man, is not about making sense, is about you realizing you are being amputated without any control of it, losing your limbs slowly but painless, it is a horrifying concept. It's not lazy writing, it's just "creative", not clever.🗿
pyerack is right its not clever its creative. intended to shock audiences etc. But with the smallest amount of thought its a scene that breaks its own rules and breaks immersion. in book form it would not even be possible as you would read it and just be completely taken out of the book with how little sense it makes
This is one of the most nonsensical scenes Ive ever seen. Even disregarding the silliness of how hes only now realizing his amputations…they go through all this trouble to get him to go there, when they clearly can just kill the young dude and be done with it. So what the hell was all this even for. I like looper, but its absolutely baffling that nobody stopped even once to question this logic shitshow
My theory is they sedated Seth Prime and kept him in a coma until he was old enough to be sent back in time where they'd kill him and close the loop. They want complete control of the situation. So, as Future Seth is climbing the fence he notices his pinky missing. Then his nose, and now he's realizing omg this is what they did to me after they put me under. He freaks out knowing he has no chance of any kind of a decent life on the run so he gives himself up. My guess is they keep the body of Future Seth and it disappears when they send Seth prime back for loop closing. Or, they go ahead and kill Seth Prime after securing Future Seth's body to see what happens.
They cant kill him because that prevents him from being sent back to the past. However, they can still send him back to the past in his broken state to be executed in another timeline
It's a cool scene, but it makes no sense whatsoever, because it means that his younger self, after being horribly disfigured, went on to live for many more decades before returning to the building to get shot in the face.
Hollywood is dependent on foreign markets to turn a profit as they make less and less domestically. China is their largest foreign consumer so they pander to them a lot.
For the sake of the movie it's a good sequence but in practical application this would never work because he would have never been able to make it to the past.
I cannot fathom how anyone thinks this scene is anything other than enormously stupid and bad writing. There's literally zero thought beyond "oooh look at this." "Yeah, they cut off his limbs in the past version of him, so the future version suddenly doesn't have them." "So how did he get to where he is without them?" "... It's very genius, you just don't get it." "No, but if the past version of himself lost his limbs, the future version wouldn't have had them to begin with. Ergo, he couldn't have run in the first scene he's introduced, it's called causality."
Not only that, but the implication here is that the people that did this to him had to let the severely mutilated version of him go after doing that to him, and then he'd have to go through all the things that put him in that situation to begin with. It's so dumb
Yep, it's incredibly dumb, especially since the movie uses a closed loop model for their time travel concept lol. There is a troll on here named "Vincent Proud" that stalks this thread and argues with anyone that rips this dumb movie, so be on the lookout. 😆
it's not genius, it's just a cool concept and I don't see an issue with it. you're applying real world logic and contemporary way of thinking to a scifi movie
It’s a good action film but it’s full of holes.. they changed his path in time as soon as they caught him. He would have completely disappeared from the past, not piece by piece.
The reason this is stupid is because if his past self was getting injured, his future self would have those memories. In other words, he wouldn’t be staring at his missing finger in shock because it wouldn’t have just disappeared, it technically disappeared in the past already.. hence the wounds being healed already.. if the rules of the movie show that his body is losing fingers, then his brain would also be affected by the events in the past and forming wrinkles (aka memories). You can’t say it affects his fingers and body bear the lasting marks of the dismemberment but not his brain aka memories.. scene makes zero sense bc it breaks its own rules. It just isn’t thought through well enough.
Watch the yourmiviesucks review of this. The time stuff is so dumb. If you cut someone's limb off in the past, it wouldn't instantly change it would mean that they had lived their entire life with that amputation so in the present they would hae adapted and had a prosthetic, the message on his arm would have been there from the point it was written. Plus his life would have been irrevocably changes by the injuriies so he wouldn't have ended up in the present. Its' cinematic but so stupid.
This movie would have been so much better if they would've ditched the horrible cgi on Joseph's face. Didn't make him look more like Bruce, it was just weird and distracting
This is a great film. Sadly, the same director went on with our trust to utterly destroy the Star Wars sequel trilogy, destroy the legacy of one of films greatest ever Hero’s and damage the worlds biggest film franchise. Who knew.
Being that numerous videos from professional physicists are easily available to listen to here on UA-cam it's rather laughable that the writers of this dumb movie couldn't take the time to do that themselves. 😆
@@MtnMania Imagine being too stupid to know that professional physicists like Kip Thorne, Neil Degrasse Tyson, and Michio Kaku have worked on numerous movies and tv shows with staff writers to make the show/movie more believable. 😂
@@MtnMania Kip Thorne is a professional physicist that helped write the science fiction movie Interstellar which features some time travel. You don't get out much, do you?
well, it is fun, but entirely illogical. Mutilations inflicted in past won't appear suddenly, they come with all the life experience and knowledge of the past.
The craziest part about the dismembering, is that all of his memories were probably changing at the same time - into some horrific life no one would want to live.
We cut off both of his legs, but he still hasn’t shown up yet? What’s this guy’s deal?
That’s not a smart observation. It was get to this address in 15 minutes, or else…. The or else being his Body mutilated, and his limbs amputated.
@@hunterspride18his body started disappearing immediately. So...no.
@@katrin931 I’m not following. What’s your point?
"In hindsight, we probably should have done those last. Sow them back on!"
@@hunterspride18 you don't understand why him loosing body parts immediately after getting the warning matters? It means no matter what he did they were taking them away. He was almost immediately going there and still lost his limbs.
3:11 I love how Old Seth's pinkie finger just disappears and it takes him several seconds to register that it's happening.
I am always confused to why he is surprised to see all of it if it already happened to him
@@rylanbender1212 Unless young Seth was unconscious or kept in coma for 30+ years before a deformed older Seth is sent back to his younger self to finish off, which finally closes the loop.
Daniels manages to be menacing, not caring, fatherly, cold and warm all at the same time. The man is a legend.
Jeff Daniels is a damned good actor. A native Michigander.
"I'm from the future, you should go to China."
I don't know why but I love that line.
It's the nonchalant matter-of-fact way Jeff Daniels delivers the line.
They're a communist dictatorship that do whatever it takes to achieve a 1984-like control, consuming everything in their path like locusts. You love that too?
I’m the movie, Joseph Gordon Levit meets his wife in China. I think Jeff Daniel’s delivery conveys that
Yeah, you look at the state of china today…. That line didn’t really age well 😂😂😂
@@tylerdurden5122 We're like 30, 40 years away from the China of the future he knows about.
This scene has always stuck with me and terrified me. It is simply horrific.
Dude, this scene really messed with me.
The reason this is stupid is because if his past self was getting injured, his future self would have those memories. In other words, he wouldn’t be staring at his missing finger in shock because it wouldn’t have just disappeared, it technically disappeared in the past already.. hence the wounds being healed already.. if the rules of the movie show that his body is losing fingers, then his brain would also be affected by the events in the past and forming wrinkles (aka memories). You can’t say it affects his fingers and body bear the lasting marks of the dismemberment but not his brain aka memories.. scene makes zero sense bc it breaks its own rules. It just isn’t thought through well enough.
@@RustyShackleford9000
@@MtnMania He's putting the movies own rules into the movie which makes the scene fail to make sense. Sorry you couldnt keep up.
@@MtnMania when you have a story media etc set in fantasy or science fiction there are rules set up that the universe follows. poor writing is when you see those rules bent and broken with no explanation. the rules are usually introduced in the first quarter of the media. changes to the rules ways they can be bent or sometimes broken are outline in the later half. This movie set up its own rules regarding time travel etc. but it did not follow its own rules. making scenes like this and some others a scene that makes you pause or break from your immersion. a common failure outlined in writing within science fiction and fantasy one writers try to avoid. Someone quite thoroughly explained to you why the rules being broken makes no sense. and you choose the flimsiest response for your entertainment or thinking others may notice or care. In short education is pretty important. you should perhaps return to it.
First time body horror really horrified me.
Have you seen the one where dude gets turned into a walrus
Have you seen the movie Society or body melt?
@@drugsarebad97”tusk” absolutely terrifying
@@peda15Is society that horrific 80s one about rich people absorbing the poor?
@@beakerface yeah
I just wanna say this is a criminally underrated movie. Absolutely loved looper
I agree
@jonathanbirch2022 Looper is underrated
... I must watch it chap !.
It really is. I had never heard of it the first time I saw it... It's as good as, and just as obscure as Idiocracy. Both potent stories in their own right, and well worth watching _several times_ .
Particularly this scene, which as other have said, is both horrific and ingenious.
Underrated? I've seen nothing but positive posts about this movie lol
Daniels telling him to go to China I think changes the entire course of the future. Notice he actually does go to China in the flashforward scene where he eventually finds the love of his life that kicks this all into motion. If he had actually gone to France things might have been different.
He *did* go to France, he just eventually went to China, mostly because it's implied he was running out of money and his skillset would be more lucrative there. Old Joe tells young Joe that he doesn't regret his time in France, or learning French. If he'd gone to China earlier than was intended it's more than likely he'd have never met the love of his life because the timing would be off.
@@pbdye1607 did he? Year one has him in China already in the flashforward.
@@pbdye1607He was in Shanghai the entire time.
@@pbdye1607 He's saying this because Abe knows and knows where he ends up eventually.
@@TheFachen Yeah, and going back and watching the scene in question, he says he never regrets learning French - he doesn't say he actually went to France. Whoops.
i just realized this, he actually had no choice but to give him up, he was hidden in the safe with his silver, he would have been found out regardless.
Good call
Nah. He could have agreed and said he'd bring the gold over later.
@@pegcity4eva : No it isn't. He could have said 'yes, I'll be back in one hour with the gold .'
@@ThomasFerrugia You think his organised crime buddies are so trusting they're just gonna let him go and get the money alone while they sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for him to come back?
@@ThomasFerrugiaThey would be watching him. They already knew he was hiding him.
The thing is. His friend was hiding in the safe with his silver. Even if he didn't give him up, they would have found him. There was no way to help him.
Really, Joe had no choice.
3:11 You can see his finger disappears on the left side when he grabs the wire
Ikr It’s awesome!
The moment where you weren't expecting a scene from a horror movie and get one anyway 😂
I like the scene after he leaves the mob hangout, when he goes back to his apartment and checks the safe to see if the bars are there. He notices one out of place so reaches down to straighten it and gets Seth's blood on his hands. He had blood on his hands metaphorically and now literally. It's a little on the nose but I liked the commentary about the greed, loyalty, and the power of choice.
You are all thinking Avengers time travel and the multiple timeline theory. This is a new concept. Prior to that, every movie emphasized that any change in the past will affect the future self. Time Cop, Back to the Future, Frequency etc.
hot tub time machine* ;)
This scene is truly brilliant, intriguing and horrific. Great writing.
The way memories change and fade like Bruce Willis demonstrates as his wife's memory does sets the framework movies time travel 'rules on changes to the past effecting the future.
Therefore, this character occupying the same timeline as his younger self, who is getting horrifically amputated in real time, is suddenly having memories fade of a good life and of such things as smell, touch, walking... having a tounge, limbs (no doubt castration).
He realises aside from there obviously being no future for him, there is no future for his younger self.
Everything he may have achieved over the last 30 years are disappearing from his mind.
Death is the best option so that is younger self does not at least become a Metallica song
This scene is a scene that lives with people and one of the many reasons Looper is such a great achievement
So, if he didn't have legs and arms after the past self gets mutilated, how did he run when sent back in time?
Look man, if we start discussing time travel we're gonna be here all day with straws and diagrams.
So if he didn't then he would of become Enter Sandman?
@@grxygxds one
@@OldDogNoTricks lmao
Can’t unsee dumb and dumber in Jeff Daniels
This movie made no flipping sense but this scene was pretty memorable. XD
The movie didn’t make sense? They literally explain the film throughout, weren’t you paying attention?
It make good sense
@@kevind6965 it doesn't make sense even with their explanation tho 🤣
You must be dislexic @@chujackam
He becomes the guy from One by Metallica.
loozin mah legz loozin mah arms
@@lovebug9696 left with me with life in HELL
unable to hear the bass guitar over James’ ego?
@@jeffclarke929 oof
Nah that's Johnny got his gun, can watch it free on UA-cam
I hate to say it, but Old Seth screwed himself. He didn't just try to cheat death; he didn't even leave the gold for his younger self. If he had gotten away his presumably happy retirement would have changed into something probably less fun anyway. And he should have known SOMETHING would happen, even if he didn't imagine this. The best thing to do in this very specific fictional situation is to make your peace with it as the 30 years wind down. Just saying.
I agree that Future Seth screwed himself. I disagree about your best solution. The best thing to do is to knock out Seth Prime and take him somewhere he can tie him up and convince himself to go on the run together. Future Seth has the best idea of where they could travel to avoid the organization. They have all that gold, and Future Seth's knowledge of what's to come to live off of. They both live happy and free, eventually Future Seth dies. Seth Prime continues to live and eventually dies closing the loop.
More than likely, they'd both be found tho. Future Seth would be killed, Seth Prime would be sedated and put in a permanent coma until he gets old enough to be sent back. They'd have someone else ready to kill Seth Prime and the loop would be closed.
or just run away with your young self
Yeah, it's Old Seth's fault, like Joe told his future self "it's my life, you had yours already." Old Seth had 30 years living his post-looper life and his refusal to accept his fate prevented his younger self from living that life.
This bit makes no sense. If in the past, you get amputated, youd have always been that way. Your entire place and circumstance would have changed.
Matt Jacks is sitting next to me. At the same time, Matt Jacks from 30 years into the future is also sitting next to me. There are now two Matt Jacks sitting next to me. One Matt Jack from present day (now) and one from the future. If I cut the arm off of present day Matt Jacks, what would happen to the Matt Jacks in the future, who is sitting right next to the present day Matt Jacks?
Try not to think about it too much. Time travel doesn't make any sense full stop.
Lol you are right. That’s why this movie makes no sense unless it’s in the moment 😂
Reality would have simply adapted to that sudden change
in that scenario, the future Matt Jacks would already be missing an arm before you ever cut off the arm of the present day one. @@thomasgarza9304
Wondered why Gordon looked so funny in this movie until i realized they gave him bruce willis’ nose.
they straight up did what they could to make Gordon look like he really is a younger version of Bruce Willis
What always bothered me about this scene is that future Seth when he was young killed his older self. However for some reason Seth in this time timeline didnt. Its there a hint as to why it happened?
Most likely a paradox of some kind. I was thinking you could say it was a Seth from a different universe but that wouldn't explain him getting deformed. Honestly time travel is hard to write perfectly
He already knew that his younger self was going to kill him. He already did it years ago. That’s why Old Seth started singing the lullaby at the execution spot, as a way to confuse the younger self. Because he knew he was been sent back in time to be killed by his younger self. It’s crazy.
It's so your suspension of disbelief wouldn't go away when the main character escapes from his younger self. Without this set-up you wouldn't have been invested in watching it, and the use of the body horror of him slowly losing all his body parts is so shocking that you don't ask questions at the moment.
If I had to guess, I'm assuming they reversed the amputations as soon as they killed his older self since he was put under and on an operating table.
@@edluke3415 "reversed the amputations"
You can't reverse amputations. They just let him live like that until the future
@@edluke3415 If they reversed the amputations (what?) then old man Seth wouldn't have the disfigurements. He had to spend the rest of his life that way so that the old man got the messages.
Just realized that the dude in the beginning looks like Slavjov Zizek and thought it was a weird cameo until he started speaking like he wasn't on the verge of hucking a large luggie at any second.
This form of time travel makes no sense. If someone started altering his body in his past, the guy wouldn't be seeing the changes in real-time (although I understand why they present it that way for the viewer). For him, it would be normal to see, because from his perspective, however his body is at that point is how it has ALWAYS been since the changes were made to him all those years ago.
In fact, it doesn't even make sense for him to be crawling from the car at all. If his legs were chopped off years ago, he wouldn't have been able to drive the car there.
It’s Schrödinger's cat type of time travel.
I think the reason it's in real time is that the timelines are merging. Originally he was future Seth from able bodied Seth who closed the loop on himself. Yet this branch timeline he creates by confusing Seth who at this point has his limbs. His future in the present is not set. He hasn't been delimbed. That means future Seth also keeps his limbs as to this point that event still hasn't happened to Seth. And won't happen until it does this collapsing the timelines of probabilities into the singularity of delimbed Seth. When current Seth is trying to escape there are presumably possibilities quantum that he may escape and keep his limbs, which, means future Seth is keeping his. Only once Seth present is captured and they start chopping him up does that become an historical event happening to future Seth in real time. They could for example have left it at fingers. Plus given him more time then the past would be fixed at no fingers. And so on.
For me, once they knew they weren’t going to let him live, that should have been it.
What tho Time travel doesn't make sense because it doesn't even exist. Stop pretending to be smart. Its embarrasing
Eh it makes sense as in your body remembers the wounds that’s why it’s healed but your brain cant remember it.
Good this was such a good movie.
Invader Zim sort of did this with Bad Bad Rubber Piggy. So this concept has traumatized me twice in my life.
Oh man. That episode was horrific lol.
love that episode especially with the plan backfiring on zim at the very end
that one, and the organ harvest really solidified my appreciation for body horror
This is unrelated but anytime I see the halfway gone, skull-looking nose in movies or whatever, I wonder what breathing through that nose feels like. Like when you breathe in, it just so much air in your face all at once that it feels unbearably weird? Like you have a second mouth on your face? OR is it the most unclogged and oxygenated you've ever felt, vacuuming in air from those giant face tunnels?
Let's hope we never know.
I just imagined it. It's the last one you said for sure.
it stings a little, especially if the air is dry.
ask Voldermort
What a fantastic question
I remember how hyped that movie was when it first came out. That scene was good until you actually used your 🧠. If that version of the guy had already lived a life non amputated, you can't amputate a different version of him in the past while the future him is still in his present. It's completely illogical in a time travel setup.
True. This scene wouldn't work in a closed loop model or open loop model of time travel.
It's lazy writing.
Are you really trying to understand how time travel works? there are scientists leagues above your IQ and with a much greater understanding of the world that have even said there's no logic or accurate reasoning to time travel because it's fiction
@@jacobjester4761 Last time I checked . . . Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku, and Neil Degrasse Tyson said time travel is possible. What MOST physicists say is NOT possible though is time travel into the past in a closed loop model. They say that time travel into the future would be possible in both closed and open loop models, but time travel into the past would only be possible in an open loop model.
@@BigDaddySwingingMeatexplain it to me like I’m five years old.
@@Aaron-zt5ee In the search box, type in "How To Time Travel Explained By Neil Degrasse Tyson". He explains how they have known how to travel into the future for decades. Power sources and protecting the human body from the rigors of speed of light travel are what stand in the way.
As for time travel into the past, that could only work in an open causality loop model where humans have access to higher dimensions. This would allow them to visualize different timelines and then travel to that possibility space.
Looper is a film that started off being as close to a modern sci fi masterpiece as can be, but then fell off a canyon sized cliff in its 2nd half.
I've gathered that it seems the movie is a mix of alternate universes and standard time travel logic. There's no other explanation for why you would be losing limbs like it's Back to the Future.
It sucks cause older Seth knew he had no choice but to go back and let his younger self still have a chance. Cause no matter what if he keeps running, his young self will just get deleted.
he would become guy from One by Metallica
@@iamwhoiam7887 there is someone in the song video that looks like that?
@@TheCattyKid no lol. have you ever heard the song?
Okay, if dude's parts got lopped off _in his own past,_ it wouldnt be instant and surprising in his present. He would just always have been missing those parts, and likely wouldn't be where he is doing what he is. *Looper* has such garbage time dynamics.
Well said. This movie is riddled with plot holes since it adheres to a closed loop model of time travel. Just watch out for that stalker "Vincent Proud" that attacks anyone that mocks his favorite movie. 😆
My theory is they sedated Seth Prime and kept him in a coma until he was old enough to be sent back in time where they'd kill him and close the loop.
So, as Future Seth is climbing the fence he notices his pinky missing. Then his nose, and now he's realizing omg this is what they did to me after they sedated me. He freaks out knowing he has no chance of any kind of a decent life on the run so he gives himself up. My guess is they keep the body of Future Seth and it disappears when they send Seth prime back for loop closing.
@jonathanbirch2022 Except if it was a new timeline then hacking off the limbs of his past self would have no effect on his future self. 😆
They’re different but linked. Every change to the present self overwrites the future self, but it’s only has it happens in the present. We see this with the main character’s memories slowly overwriting and warping his future self.
Maybe they used a different time machine to enforce changes locked to Jeff Daniels at that point?
How nostalgic
isnt that the dude from dumb and dumber? And kingpin?
Makes no sense.....somehow magically even though they cut off his limbs he'd still have a potential future where he still makes it all the way to his current situation, EXACTLY in the same place and time?
Oh Man rewatching this Scene Today? The Most Horrifying Scene ever Old Seth is watching his Fingers his Arms and Legs begin to quit working like they should all because Seth let his Looper Run!
Probably one of the stupidest time travel stories ever put to film.
This is the shrimp's sister's baby that lost it's arms and legs and is now nothing but a stump.
bruh shark tale??
Great scene until you start thinking about it. Let's say the amputations were at 20 min interval, for the future self it doesn't matter, because it was 20 years ago, so he wouldn't be able to climb fences, drive cars etc...
They call all that kind of stuff out in the diner scene. The movie is basically telling you not to think about it too much and just enjoy it.
alternate timeline dude , all of it actually makes sense of you actually know what alternate timelines means
@@timothyscott1951 And clearly you don't know what alternate timeline means lol.
This scene only works if they let the younger Seth go. However, it still wouldn't work because the older Seth would know what happens in the past. The more you think about it. The worse it gets. Till you get to the point where the entire premise of the movie doesn't work. There would need to be multiple timelines for this scene to work as written with a few tweaks. Which completely defeats the purpose of what the movie was going for with a single timeline.
Yeah its dumb
None of this movie makes any sense, but apparently that’s ok for some reason
not if the loop is never closed , it alters the timeline in that sense , and with an altered timeline of course he saw it like that , plus it's an altered timeline , what posses you to think he'd have memory of it , that's not how alternate timelines work dude
sure if you don't understand anything about alternate timelines
watch crank 2 before you say this movie doesn't make sense
This movie is so original.
Universe is going to tear itself apart ... "Reverse the polarity! " "Allons-y" "Molto bene" "Geronimooo!"
This movie made absolutely no sense and this scene is one of the most egregious example of it. If they were cutting those parts off it would change the future, not only changing the version of him from the future that's in the past but changing how that future played out. Because how could the future him even be able to travel to the past while missing his limbs? So that whole timeline suddenly doesn't work meaning the only way that does work is through a split timeline in which case those wounds wouldn't have even shown up on future him.
its pre-avengers no worries lol
the only reason this scene can make sense is quantum super positioning.
Seth basically is alive and dead at the same time.
untill he was killed any potential for survival with removal of organs to the events of today would of tore his mind in to bits
but i personally believe in parallele worlds and time travel is more like reloading a save state if you do it like the butterfly effect where you can return to a memory and replay.
but then you have transference of matter though time, if you do this you create a branch reality
essntially new time line the old one exists still but you do not as you would never be able to return to that time line as the event of you returning to the past (again data save states)
would mean you bring matter and knowledge with you but you do not effect your origin time line only the time line you currently are stable in.
so i don't really like Roundhead Johnson's take on time travel because it really is dumb
"Round Head Johnson" LMAO!
schrodinger
3:32 Githyanki
“I’m from the future-you should go to China..” 😂
The only horrifying thing about this scene is the writing. It makes no sense at all with the time travel "logic" (or the several logics, the film really isn't too sure about it) of the rest of the film.
its pre-avengers no worries lol
Movie was one big giant ignored paradox.
Why does the message appear on his arm at that moment? If the past was rewritten such that he had that carved into him then he’d remember having it for years.
I believe it's because they only changed the past at that precise moment
@joshschmidt3841 That would be true if you see the past and present events happening in a single timeline, but for cinematic effect, you'd probably have to imagine the point of view of the same guy traversing horizontally across the multiple parallel timeline branches spawned as they're slicing his limbs off (for eg. 1% of limbs sliced, 2% of limbs sliced, 3% of limbs sliced, etc... up to 100% of limbs sliced) to arrive at that particular branch where his limbs are completely gone. The only reconciliation challenge is that most people would consider the victim having a separate and distinct consciousness in each of these parallel timelines. So yes ultimately I agree that it's unlikely that the same person could traverse across parallel timelines and see his own limbs disappear piece by piece. I prefer to imagine that we (as the viewer) instead are the ones transported across the parallel timelines of outcomes at that precise minute in time, and then for us the story continues from that timeline where he lost all his limbs. But hey - just follow Nolan's advice. Don't try to understand it, just try to feel it :)
@joshschmidt3841no one know how time travel works that's why is science fiction, the director clearly don't want viewers to think about that mumbo jumbo and make it as simple as possible
Guy transformed into a Fallout ghoul.
Yes, if you think about it, it doesn't make sense, but c'mon man, is not about making sense, is about you realizing you are being amputated without any control of it, losing your limbs slowly but painless, it is a horrifying concept. It's not lazy writing, it's just "creative", not clever.🗿
The word you're looking for isn't clever, it's Creative.
If you don’t think about it, it’s clever
pyerack is right its not clever its creative. intended to shock audiences etc. But with the smallest amount of thought its a scene that breaks its own rules and breaks immersion. in book form it would not even be possible as you would read it and just be completely taken out of the book with how little sense it makes
This is one of the most nonsensical scenes Ive ever seen. Even disregarding the silliness of how hes only now realizing his amputations…they go through all this trouble to get him to go there, when they clearly can just kill the young dude and be done with it. So what the hell was all this even for. I like looper, but its absolutely baffling that nobody stopped even once to question this logic shitshow
My theory is they sedated Seth Prime and kept him in a coma until he was old enough to be sent back in time where they'd kill him and close the loop. They want complete control of the situation.
So, as Future Seth is climbing the fence he notices his pinky missing. Then his nose, and now he's realizing omg this is what they did to me after they put me under. He freaks out knowing he has no chance of any kind of a decent life on the run so he gives himself up. My guess is they keep the body of Future Seth and it disappears when they send Seth prime back for loop closing. Or, they go ahead and kill Seth Prime after securing Future Seth's body to see what happens.
They cant kill him because that prevents him from being sent back to the past. However, they can still send him back to the past in his broken state to be executed in another timeline
Nope never watching again, i'll be back in 6 months
Is that the guy from Dumb and Dumber?
This movie made no sense- possibly the dumbest time-travel story ever told. But you know, that’s just, like, my opinion, man
This movie was the inspiration for the plot of deadpool 2 and you can't prove me wrong
Horrifying yes.. but it doesn't make sense ...
welcome to time travel
@@TheCattyKid Welcome to poor writing about time travel. For good sci fi writing, watch Interstellar.
It's a cool scene, but it makes no sense whatsoever, because it means that his younger self, after being horribly disfigured, went on to live for many more decades before returning to the building to get shot in the face.
Why did I think that was Slavoj Zizek at first?
if only
this is the work of an enemy stand
so uncanny valley whatever they did to make him look a little more like Bruce
I think it was a nose prosthetic. For some reason, I like him better like that than his real face lol.
Why was he so insistent on him going to China? What happened in the future?
Hollywood is dependent on foreign markets to turn a profit as they make less and less domestically. China is their largest foreign consumer so they pander to them a lot.
Look what's happening now
Europe was overtaken by ****** and they turned it into the place they fled from…..
The mobsters could have given Old Seth slightly more time, take his injuries slowing him down into account.
For the sake of the movie it's a good sequence but in practical application this would never work because he would have never been able to make it to the past.
horrific szene. but dumb? you want him to arrive. why cutting his arms and legs off? if he doesnt have those things, how should he come to you?
he can crawl lmao
I cannot fathom how anyone thinks this scene is anything other than enormously stupid and bad writing. There's literally zero thought beyond "oooh look at this."
"Yeah, they cut off his limbs in the past version of him, so the future version suddenly doesn't have them."
"So how did he get to where he is without them?"
"... It's very genius, you just don't get it."
"No, but if the past version of himself lost his limbs, the future version wouldn't have had them to begin with. Ergo, he couldn't have run in the first scene he's introduced, it's called causality."
Not only that, but the implication here is that the people that did this to him had to let the severely mutilated version of him go after doing that to him, and then he'd have to go through all the things that put him in that situation to begin with. It's so dumb
Yep, it's incredibly dumb, especially since the movie uses a closed loop model for their time travel concept lol. There is a troll on here named "Vincent Proud" that stalks this thread and argues with anyone that rips this dumb movie, so be on the lookout. 😆
it's not genius, it's just a cool concept and I don't see an issue with it. you're applying real world logic and contemporary way of thinking to a scifi movie
@@chalkdeamon6070 get worked up about it little bro
@@chalkdeamon6070 being such a time travel expert you sure failed to grasp the concept of time zones, lmao
this time travel is similar to tommorrow war..
if they just killed Seth right away, wouldn't the old Seth just disappear? like bruce willis in the end?
Man this movie gave me so much hope that The Last Jedi was going to be amazing.
we were all deceivved
my theory is he intentionally sabotaged it so Disney can never touch the main series again lol
It’s a good action film but it’s full of holes.. they changed his path in time as soon as they caught him. He would have completely disappeared from the past, not piece by piece.
The reason this is stupid is because if his past self was getting injured, his future self would have those memories. In other words, he wouldn’t be staring at his missing finger in shock because it wouldn’t have just disappeared, it technically disappeared in the past already.. hence the wounds being healed already.. if the rules of the movie show that his body is losing fingers, then his brain would also be affected by the events in the past and forming wrinkles (aka memories). You can’t say it affects his fingers and body bear the lasting marks of the dismemberment but not his brain aka memories.. scene makes zero sense bc it breaks its own rules. It just isn’t thought through well enough.
alternate timeline , he'd have no memory of the event
@@timothyscott1951 him losing fingers is obviously not “alternate” from the timeline he’s in if he’s the one losing fingers 😂
@@RustyShackleford9000 I tried explaining that to him earlier. He is not very bright lol. This movie is an example of lazy writing.
is that uncle joey
I'm from the future you should go to China
I'm going to France
I know. I'm going there soon, boss.
@@SEGAGoldenJulytzf um up ❤pc 😢
This.
@@jiveassturkey8849France no longer exists. Now it's the European Caliphate
This scene was cool but it leans str8 into a grandfather paradox. The whole movie is D level sci fi and time travel.
"I'm from the future you should go to China "
Watch the yourmiviesucks review of this. The time stuff is so dumb. If you cut someone's limb off in the past, it wouldn't instantly change it would mean that they had lived their entire life with that amputation so in the present they would hae adapted and had a prosthetic, the message on his arm would have been there from the point it was written. Plus his life would have been irrevocably changes by the injuriies so he wouldn't have ended up in the present. Its' cinematic but so stupid.
My brother told me about this movie. It sounded stupid. It’s creepy, but it looks stupid too.
I love this movie 🎬 🎞 🎥 🎦
The last good movie with Bruce Willis
"Im from the future, you should go to China"
Please don't.
The horrifying implication is that the mutilated guy was left living like that for years
What movie is this
Looper, says it right in the title.
@@MakaveliTheDon2you need to edit your comment for these idiots.
Out of Africa
the land before time 2
@@pa1nted are you sure? I swore it was "My Dog Skip"
I don’t get it
How did Rian go from this to TLJ?
Though it have some holes
Why give him a 15 minute time limit and then start cutting? Why start severing limbs knowing he'll need them to get to you? This was a stupid scene.
this movie just pooped all over the concept of time
Why would you have him travel to you just to kill him rather than just kill his younger self?
idk man this movie wasn't trying very hard to be logical.
Enjoyed this movie. I only wish Rian had put as much thought and effort into The Last Jedi. :(
This movie would have been so much better if they would've ditched the horrible cgi on Joseph's face. Didn't make him look more like Bruce, it was just weird and distracting
It wasn't CGI, it was prosthetics and makeup done by makeup guru Kazu Tsuji
movie is amazing but there was no need for that stupid makeup on Gordon-Levitt
This is not horrifying at all, this is hilarious. If you like dark humor, that is.
It can be both.
Oh sure, but for me personally it's only hilarious.@@DBCOOPER888
Cool scene........makes 0% sense from a continuity standpoint.
i am from the future you should go to china
How to ruin a movie in a single scene
Rian Johnson is by far the worst mainstream modern director
This is a great film. Sadly, the same director went on with our trust to utterly destroy the Star Wars sequel trilogy, destroy the legacy of one of films greatest ever Hero’s and damage the worlds biggest film franchise. Who knew.
No that was Kathleen Kennedy 😢
Why do people keep pretending like the early 2000's Star Wars movies never happened?
I like how commenters think they're experts in time travel.
Being that numerous videos from professional physicists are easily available to listen to here on UA-cam it's rather laughable that the writers of this dumb movie couldn't take the time to do that themselves. 😆
@@BigDaddySwingingMeat lol "professional physicists" discussing science fiction.
@@MtnMania Imagine being too stupid to know that professional physicists like Kip Thorne, Neil Degrasse Tyson, and Michio Kaku have worked on numerous movies and tv shows with staff writers to make the show/movie more believable. 😂
@@MtnMania Kip Thorne is a professional physicist that helped write the science fiction movie Interstellar which features some time travel. You don't get out much, do you?
@@MtnMania Kip Thorne is a professional physicist that helped write the movie Interstellar which deals directly with time travel. Try to keep up.
well, it is fun, but entirely illogical. Mutilations inflicted in past won't appear suddenly, they come with all the life experience and knowledge of the past.
like most here you clearly don't grasp the true concept of alternate timelines