@@CyrilZhe In the previous breakdown, he explained how the group dynamics exacerbated the problem, and added in leeway for suboptimal play given the stress of the situation. A lack of empathy would be there is no excuse, you have to play optimally. The empathetic response is identifying the sub optimal play while acknowledging that mistakes happen.
Pirate software runs a ferret sanctuary for sick ferrets and urns thousands of dollars for charity and always gives people advice on how to make games and follow there dreams he was the best streamer out of all of you. How many other streamers actually help the community like him ummm non of them!!!!!
Maldavius Figtree/Jason/PirateSoftware has been a malicious actor who griefed sims in Second Life, he had been a malicious bully of a CEO in EVE, he had been a malicious bully as a guild leader in Ashes of Creation. So there is no reason to give him the benefit of a doubt at this point with his actions in WoW. It's not incompetence, it's malice.
I soured on Pirate Software when he made his stop killing games take, which grossly misrepresented the petition in a way that seemed very malicious (and spread misinformation that the petition has to struggle against to this day) and inserted a ton of personal biases into the discussion because he has a conflict on interest with his own live service projects. This is just another piece of evidence that he's an extremely selfish person that will throw anyone under the bus if he thinks he can improve his personal reputation with it.
he also went turbo glaze on roblox multiple times after the pmg videos exposing Roblox as, among other things, actively harboring and protecting pedophiles on their platform
Tbh most people are inherently selfish at times but somehow its not okay if others is being selfish at times. Not defending Thor, just wanna say something.
PirateSoftware's behaviour is not in the least suprising if you watched him during his coverage of "Stop Killing Games". He either misunderstood or misconstrued the aims of SKG and when getting told that he was wrong he doubled and tripled down on his wrong interpretation. He also, instead of disagreeing with Ross in calm manner, insulted him with a comparision with a "greasy carsalesman" instead. Thor has an ego the size of Noah's Ark and is just as prone to capsizing without God's intervention. Him doing the exact same thing in other situation shows just how easy it is for him to lie about facts.
Yeah I think that's the long and short of it. He got a LOT of eyes on him during that interaction with Ross and even a fair amount of his own viewers called him out on it. It was inevitable that the next drama he was in was going to blow up.
STK are moronic. Wanting Government to FORCE publisher to newer take down a game. Thor got a lot of weird and outright stupid akes about some things, but not on this.
I think this got so huge because PirateSoftware got semi-famous via wholesome UA-cam-Shorts and he developed a kind of "golden boy"-like reputation. However, this situation showed a complete different side of him and my guess is that most people who knew or knew of PirateSoftware were very surprised. At this point everything would've blown over, it's just superficial drama in a video game after all, but PirateSoftware went mental boom for some reason and when you're this stubborn, arrogant and childish, people will absolutely keep challenging that behaviour. He brought this on himself.
I was one of those that enjoyed hearing him talk- I’m shocked he this bluntly came out this way. I understand people have flaws (I know I do) but damn he straight up villian arc. Huge ego with a I can never be wrong mindset.
@@SaxonBlue2 Google Maldavius Figtree so you can complete the lore and see it through the end. Google him bullying fellow Ashes of Creation alpha players, bullying Lacari (his fellow Onlyfangs guildmate) and his EVE online antics, so you can see why this drama just triggered a whole lot of can of worms his way.
That's a text book narcissist. They are charming and then when their mask slips up and you confront them about it they will go mental against you unless they manage to gaslight you into thinking you are sensitive and overreacting. But unfortunately for him it's hard to manipulate like this everyone who is watching this. And I'm glad. Narcissists deserve to be exposed and called out.
He has a strong logic-oriented mind/ego that he holds to such high esteem that he can't even fathom the world where that logic is incorrect. It's all the same side of him; he doesn't take other people into account when forming his logic. Everyone else is just a 'blip on the radar' to him, this is the outcome of that karma.
I think the reasons why this completely blew out of proportion is first because Pirate's entire online persona is about him knowing so much and being so smart while once he is put to the test he's just not up to snuff. The second reason is that he isn't that small a content creator and even had one of the biggest WoW content creators ridding his d*ck during the drama, making everything worse instead of better. The third reason is that Pirate was talking so much smack before this event, attacking Lacari, smugly stating how he would do different from others, etc, and this all fed into the issue. From the very first moment where he casted the rank 3 blizzard before the third pack was even pulled it became very apparent that his plan was to use all of his mana and dip, he did not even look back because he had no intention to and wanted to make sure he had plausible reasons to let them die.
also his relentless bullying and demeaning of lacari, A NEW player, for not knowing how to play the game and continually laughing and belittling him. made me do a 180 on how i viewed him. he even admitted on stream that he was bullying him for hours and just laughed about it. guy is a weirdo
it's kind of interesting the label he gave to a new player in lacari (that there was only 1 mage in the room, when he and lacari were both mages) well soda poppin later would apply the same label to pirate, saying he's not a mage, if the guild makes a group, we have to treat it as if there is no mage in the group
The most ironic thing about all his shitty little snide comments about Lacari in that clip? Pirate is refreshing Arcane Intellect that still has 15 minutes on the timer, and Lacari, unbeknownst to him, is getting duped by this jackass. Meanwhile, in the infamous Dire Maul run, you can actually see everyone's Intellect FALL OFF BEFORE THE PULL! Lacari is also fucking STOMPING Pirate in DPS until he throws his mental off with the comments.
In-game, he didn't properly use mage abilities to crowd-control the adds, then IRL he didn't properly use social abilities to crowd-control his guild mates and the broader audience.
Maldavius Figtree (aka Piratesoftware aka Thor aka Jason) roached out and denied that he roached out and lied/manipulated in an attempt to cover this up, while also banning and threatening punitive actions anyone that did not pat his back and agree with him...
@@mcfarvo His team was out of danger, and then decided to re-engage to "salvage" the dungeon while: - He was the other way from where they needed to be to re-engage. - Everyone's resources were spent getting out of the original mess. - He would have had to walk back to conserve mana, so he's not there to help even if he did come back. - They sat on the ramp for a good 3 to 5 seconds, nothing hitting them, and ran back in instead of running to the entrance where Pirate was heading. - He literally watched them do the above, then gave up, wasted mana, etc. So no, he didn't roach out. He backed off, his team ran back in when they were clear, he left them to their stupid decision. Yamato roached out, didn't do anything after making the moronic call to re-engage with resources spent, mage missing, too much pulled, packs literally surrounding them, then ran for the exit like people cry Pirate did after Sara and Snupy got killed by his dumb call. They were all out, four of them re-engaged when they knew their mage was no where near the group.
@@mcfarvo the "roach out" made sense, the team was unorganized as hell and Sara didn't even have to die if rogue and tank didn't told her to come back in and kept running. this has been analyzed by tons of people, everyone messed up. The threat was not to people who simply disagrees, the threat was towards people who are literally making up lies about his past and those who are breaking Twitch ToS to brigade him. Clear example, he's not threatening Savix. i know it's easy to hate on the guy but the video "Maldavius Figtree" was a hit piece towards him that's telling a twisted story about his past that's been resolved in the present. Regarding the character Maldavius itself, he is open about being a villain in EVE. i hope this tidbits helps you out. probably won't, but maybe some people can at least consider verifying the truth instead of just blindly believing what LSF has spread online.
@@mcfarvo Regarding calling him "Maldavius" thing... You realize you're the kind of toxic person Grubby is talking about, right? Why are things that Thor did 17 year ago relevant to you? Some kids were emo when they were in high school, and it's fucked up to take like a 37 year old streamer, and insult him for something he did when he was like 19 or 20, or who he was back then.
Its funny but it's very important in a way. People need to recognize this was all stuff that happened IN A VIDEO GAME. Most of the emotions and opinions are valid, but the death threats and personal attacks are not valid.
@@YuYuYuna_I didn't know the context, for me it was necessary to say that it was just in game.😂 From the title of the videos it seemed like he committed some crime in real life
@@IdiotSandwich-q6z because if you actually watch the full clip he is talking about banning the degenerates who went too far, like the death threats. He didn't say a word about banning guild mates. People that actually violate the TOS, he talked about those.
Not so much that they've lied, but that they continue to double down on it. I think everyone, even the best most genuine people, are capable of making lies about something. The difference is genuinely good people when caught in their life and shown the proof they will own up to it and not only apologize for their fuck up but also apologize for lying about it and trying to deceive people. That's your inner conscience telling you what you did was wrong and it's time to fess up instead of playing dumb because the truth is finally here.
What I want to know is why NOBODY on this issue bothered to suggest "call for kite" being a much better and safer suggestion. What's worse is "RUN RUN RUN! FIGHT! RUN! SALVAGEABLE! RUN!" is being excused by so many people putting their piece into this situation. No sensible person would EVER try and stay to fight or run and fight. If kite call was not made and RUN RUN RUN call was made and shifted from Run to Fight repeatedly, you have NO business running with those people whatsoever. You shouldn't be running with them. That level of indecisiveness should NOT exist on a hardcore server. The smartest thing anybody could have done was run and not look back until everybody is in a safe spot to regroup. The Druid kept pulling everything. Even IF Pirate stayed and used all his mana on blizzards to slow mobs, all that does is give the highest probability that more people would have died or a full wipe would happen. It takes a little over a second to cast blizzard. That slightly more than 1 second can go from a mage being safe to being in danger and getting killed if they don't have enough mana to blink. This is basic MMORPG logic. The man is enemy number 1 to millions of people because people are ignoring the fact that the pulls were bad, the shot calling was bad and that accounts for almost the entire situation. Shot calling is literally the most important role in a game game. it holds the MOST responsibility. If you are indecisive, you prove yourself to be untrustworthy and if you call RUN RUN RUN! FIGHT! RUN! SALVAGEABLE! RUN! I'm GTFOing. You're on your own. A lot of people could have done a lot of things in that situation. JUST RUNNING being one of those things and NOT PULLING MORE MOBS being another, but doing MORE only increases the chance of a full wipe. Because the act of "doing more" is what caused this to happen in the first place. The Druid is a prime example of that. The Druid tried to "do more" and ended up pulling more mobs. Blizzard has a pretty large AOE in tight spaces with mobs hanging out everywhere. Blizzard could have pulled another mob and that would have made things worse and Pirate would have gotten crucified for that. There was no situation in this where Pirate would have gotten away without being public enemy number 1. The man has an ego the size of clouds and makes situations significantly worse, but, I feel that - in this case - is because of the result of stress and pressure of dealing with all of the hate he has been receiving and how few people in the guild tried to defend him. Nobody knows how they'd handle a situation like this under so much pressure on levels Pirate has been going through like they think they can. Even the calmest and most logical people break from pressure. But, the most important detail people want to ignore is that, literally everybody else fucked up hard enough to allow a situation like that to even happen. There was no way Pirate was coming out of this unscathed, so he listened to the RUN RUN RUN call. If listening to the RUN RUN RUN call was his only real fault, he played better than most of the party. It's just the excuses he came up with that really made things worse. Nobody is considering that the entire situation and all of the calls and actions made were beyond any and all reasoning and the only correct thing to do would have been to listen to the RUN RUN RUN call and not look back. All of this could have been avoided if a kite call was made.
A lot of clips have surfaced of piratesoftware being a douche-canoe to smaller content creators and a bully to smaller guilds in other games. Seems like karma.
A growing issue more like. that was just a mask off moment. Many people excuse this because of it not being on him that the pull started bad or the run call. Meanwhile anyone whos been watching has seen consistent behavior from him. That was just the cherry on top to confirm his mindset is selfish and will never change.
T1 is actually wholesome when it comes to not actually hurting people's feelings and being nice. He just has a persona that is aggressive, he isn't ok with toxicity in his community though
@@SomeHarryGuyLet's be real some people are too emotionally and socially unintelligent to understand this. They care more about peoples personas than their actual actions. Tyler1 and Thor are the complete opposites like mentioned. Tyler1 is fake toxic but actually a good dood and Thor fakes being a good dood and is actually toxic.
I never had any issue with Pirate despite lots of people saying they didn't like his ego/attitude. But this whole situation is outright ridiculous. There are so many clips of Pirate being outright rude to other players and boasting about his own skill, but when he clearly messes up he denies any responsibility and acts like he's being attacked. Its not surprising he got kicked. Who would want to group with him?
The only reason I do not like this ban is the fact that pirate was not the most toxic player in the group and his mistakes were within the same level with others in the same group. It feels like he only got banned because his mistakes were more obvious, so rogue started to put a blame on him and pirate got defensive and rude when people started dogpiling on him.
@@dddlll7003Yeah, I don't like that he roached out like that and then denied all fault, but Yamato was way more toxic and definitely got the priest killed while also not doing anything of substance.
@@dddlll7003 it was not about that at all. The gkick has nothing to do with his gameplay but everything with how he conducted himself both during and afterwards. If I were in that group he would be the only person I would not want to group up with afterwards. He is straight up unpleasant towards other team members, arrogant and telling others what they should do while being really bad in the game. People have a natural tendency to dislike hypocracy.
@@tihonannenkov4114 same critic can be made about Yamato. If you watch the gameplay, he was way more toxic than Pirate and made calls that got people killed. If they had just stuck with the run call, then more than likely only the Druid would have died. Yamato got the priest killed. Then he goes and starts talking about how he would have played the situation. There’s also other factors at play here that everyone seems to forget. From Tyler1 himself, “play for yourself (this is a rule in OnlyFangs’ rule list)… your hours are more important than other people’s hours… f*ck your hours…” Pirate was playing by the rules of the guild. I don’t think Pirate is absolve of how he has handled the situation after the fact, but I think he is right for his actions and his actions are far less egregious than Yamato’s
"I'm sorry, guys, I panicked and could have done more" literally all that needed to be said. Of course no one deserves to hate train like this based on two dead characters in a video game, but I can understand kicking him from the guild, since no one would want to group with him, and everyone would be sour if he got a raid spot.
I dont see the correlation between being in the guild and having a raidspot or even having to play with certain people who would be uncomfortable with him
Complete BS. On the contrary, the more he would excuse himself the more the mob would have piled up on him. Bowing before the mob never appeases the mob, only incites it more.
That's not all that needed to be said though. If he was just a coward it would have never reached this level of notoriety. The issue is that he wasn't scared or lacked skill. He DIDN'T WANT to help. You can see him hovering over useful abilities and then not using them, opting to waste mana with pointless blinks and ice block. He chose not to help because he thought he was better than them and that they deserved it.
His arrogance is why I quickly stopped liking Piratesoftware The break was when he went out of his way to go against Stop Killing Games twice. Purposefully misrepresenting the arguement and ignoring all the solutions to his own claims The problem was: 'Companies turn off the servers and then shut the game down' The solution was: 'If a company wants to shut down a game, they should be required add the means for people to host private servers, client side' His stance was basically: 'Companies dont have infinite money and so cannot infinitely host servers' which nobody denied but it had nothing to do with the issue and then he doubled down on that calling everyone who didn't agree with him morons, completely ignoring all the holes in his arguementation and the massive strawman he put up. He is the embodiment of 'I'm all for criticism, unfortunately it's always wrong, because I cannot be wrong' I'm glad more people are seeing him for the arrogant egotist he really is
I feel like this guy's problem is that he is surrounded by so many sycophants his ego has become too inflated to admit to any mistake; it is either "you are wrong" or "we all did poorly", and from that there is no dialogue to be had.
that's the problem with most streamers in general. who is going to watch your content? people who generally like you and agree with you. this creates a bubble that can shield you from reality. these streamers usually have insane egos because they can click a ban or mute button and be done with it instead of facing and reflecting stuff properly.
Seeing the Ashes of Creation raid clip of Pirate wiping his own raid, blaming others and when shown proof of it being him who did it, completele deflecting all blame...this was a couple weeks before the Dire Maul incident. Puts this whole thing into a more continuous timeline of where PS can simply do no wrong. Also what really bugs me is him generalizing that everyone played bad, made mistakes and all of the examples are always missing 1 person from the group. The one that is often an afterthought for everyone in WoW it seems, someone to just enable them to have fun, the healer. What exactly was the bad plays and mistakes the healer in the group did that they deserved to get merced when the roach left them hanging? Not to mention if PS actually recalled their existence, that one argument presented at one point that using mana gem would draw agro is proven to be bullshit. The healer had all of the agro beyond the tank, because they actually kept doing their job, healing, which generates threat.
That was me.....I clipped him to let him know he pulled. He was berating his group for like 5 minutes and threatening to kick them...He still admitted nothing wrong, and he perma banned me. Now I admit that I wasn't very friendly with my final critique on him, but this was after him taking no blame, berating his group and telling me I was bullshitting him by showing him proof it was his was fault. I didn't mind the ban after that
He's been copyright claiming clips of that i watched one earlier clicked on it an hour later and it said this video has been copyright claimed by pirate software llc
There's an ashes of creations video made by a guy from a rival guild on the same server with Pirate. Same story as wow: ego and no skill to back it up😂
As a new Grubby subscriber and veteran classic wow player, my favorite aspect of Grubby is that he explains everything clearly and in a way for non wow players to also understand. In addition to his mature takes, Grubby has been a breath of fresh air in the wow community. Please keep it up Grubby!
You can tell Grubby has actually had a real job and real responsibilities, unlike the rest of the guild. The drama is a drug that the chat will keep chasing. This guild is just drama from this point on
@m.j.e.5245 Grubby is like an OG pro gamer from warcraft 3, i'm 35 and i remember being 14 and thinking he was the most badass player cuz he was always high/top rank on wc3 ladder
but he didn´t! he left out a LOT of things. thats why several wow pro players came to the conclusion that its not pirates fault. -the group was beyond savin -some npcs unable to be CCed -Mage oom -several calls for run from at least 2 people -not only pulling one boss too much but 2 additional mob groups -rogue standing near the action but not doing anything and contributing as much as mage -...
@Njordin2010 If you still think this is about the group dying you need to start using your head. Its about him being toxic and self centered as hell, while swimming in sea of hypocrisy. He is the bully, and people don't like bullies
Going to be honest, I'm a fan of Pirate Software, but you broke it down so detailed and calmly and I do think Pirate is in the wrong, I can see how he can lock down in the moment to not apologize, but after watching this I think he should apologize.
Just make sure he doesn't see this comment or you will have to explain it to him in unban request. Memes aside a lot could be forgiven if he apologised and learned from it
It wouldn't be so damning if he wasn't a complete ass to people in Ashes of Creation as well. I saw a video on that earlier - he ran to WoW because of the drama he created over in Ashes lol
@@OldSchoolMinded He has a history in EVE Online too. Dunno how easy it is to understand for people who haven't played it because it's so different, but it's pretty bad. And let's be honest, if you're so terrible that you get thrown out of one of the most toxic gaming communities in the galaxy, you really effed up. And that's nothing compared to what he did in Second Life... Dude's got a long history...
The only other time I've run into PirateSoftware was when he came out against Ross Scott of Accursed Farms's "Stop Killing Games" campaign. If I remember correctly, the behavior was similar - he may or may not have sincerely misunderstood the SKG campaign's aims, but he then retreated into weird, petty lying to cover his ass as things progressed.
I'm going down the rabbit hole right now. This guy has repeatedly shown himself to be a horrible person. The difference this time? Everyone has receipts, and he can't one-sidedly tell his story. Dude was involved in so much drama even before streaming😂
Thanks for the information! I could not find your original reply, SaurontheDeceiver, but I just wanted to say thanks for the detailed reply that you gave regarding the SKG/PS situation. Cheers!
@@user-us3xi7se5b They were never very big incidents, but now with this and the issue of Asmon he has all the attention and the collage he was making of micro-problems showed the size of his ego
@@user-us3xi7se5b He's been streaming for something like 7 years, I am unaware of any drama before then. He has an occasional history of disparaging other people's views if they clash with his own. There seem to be a few individuals who he has allowed to change his mind in these scenarios, usually opting to stop involvement and move on to something else to escape the drama. The childish escapism isn't as big a deal by itself, but to call smaller creators "insane behavior" etc at his scale comes with extreme consequences to those people that I'm not sure he understands. He also very heavily censors topics and messaging in his community, which sucks more due to a lack of communication on rules in chat. He also hasn't updated his early access game Heartbound in over a year. All that being said, he has inspired and provided tools to a very large viewership of small creators and the ferret rescue is pretty cool.
I'm not an MMO person, but to be blunt, his character seems to either have shifted, or has started to show it's true colors. It's sad. I looked up to him, but he really isn't the "wholesome" guy he tries to show himself off as. I don't hate him, but it's hard to like him, considering all of the stuff he's said and done that are clear signs of poor character.
He's a bully and narcissist/egocetric, that's how it usually works. There is a clip when a new player doesn't play optimally and admits he's new to the game. While knowing that pirate proceeds to insult and be passive aggressive to him. If that wasn't bad enough his comments didn't age well as he's a crappy player as well.
PirateSoftware has never tried to be the 100% wholesome dude. One of the things he'll mention every stream (because someone brings up a question that he feels he can answer because of it) is how he used to lead one of the biggest guilds in EVE Online and got into spy games and stuff; another is that he used to work in pen-testing and would, as his job, try to convince people to tell him stuff that they weren't supposed to. But he's also been clear about what he does in game being acceptable to him because it's a game. He's *also* been clear, since the start of Onlyfangs, that he's looking out for himself. That was never ever a secret.
I used to hold this Pirate guy in high regard because he seemed like a nice guy. I learned it's all an act and, in my opinion, he doesn't deserve any of the success he has built upon his throne of lies.
He's quite likely a sociopath, just based on the ways he interacts with people and lacks the ability to empathize or take responsibility in any capacity. They tend to seem quite nice at first until their true intentions are revealed.
@ I think that's the issue for me. It's something so miniscule, yet he's this insufferable with something this small. Imagine the stakes were higher, should we expect even worse behavior then?
Everyone who told him to kill his character in game as a sacrifice was counted as a death threat to him and reported as if someone told him to KYS in RL when they are talking about killing his character in a video game. So the meme is now you need to clarify very clearly you mean in game or youll get banned by pirates dad that owns blizzard.
In my opinion it’s good to see people behave in this situations. It drops the mask and shows the real person behind the streamer persona. Never understood any hype around Pirate. He is lying and overestimating him all the time. But hopefully his viewers will understand this one day 🙏🏼
He is astro turfed 100 percent and part of the Night Media brand that monopolizes shorts and who is featured on the UA-cam front page. Look at their client list I bet you see their faces daily whenever you logon to UA-cam or open the App. I get suggested hundreds of Asmongold videos and I don’t have any interest in his content.
@@lordsaviorswarmthatwalks3385 it started with him somehow manipulating youtube short algorithm. youtube shorts for him are all the good highlights and if that's all you are exposed to it will lead you to believe that he is knowledgeable, wholesome, and full of wisdom. once someone takes a step outside of that, and if they aren't smitten by him at that point, all they have to do is look at his supposed game developer accomplishments and actually pay attention to how he is throughout one or a few streams and you begin to see he has a massive ego. his game dev knowledge is cursory at best. for sarters, he kickstarted backed Heartbound in 2017 for $20k. he used to do patch updates every 6 months on the game, but since his rise in streaming popularity he has dialed back to once a year since about 2021-2022. he hasn't patched the game in almost a year at present. sure he has "developer streams" for the game, but it's really him just fumbling with code for maybe 2-3 hours before screwing around for the next 10-14 hours playing games and doing other things. the 2-3 hours he "developer streams" he constantly gets sidetracked by TTS and other things instead of focusing on his supposed "passion project" and he will likely refuse to admit that he is over it and got his bag finally. He won't finish the game, if he does, he will slap a fresh "out of early access" release on steam and likely not finish the last 3rd of the game he has been "trying" to finish for the last 4-5 years. his time working at blizzard was basically just IT security guy. he was nepo babied into that position, his dad was head of the cinematic team. he did not work on game development in blizzard. he may have some actual coding knowledge, but he is not an actual game developer.
The irony is that this is far and away the most nuanced, thoughtful, reasonable, and above all *fair* assessments of the situation and Pirate will immediately disregard it because his position as a former Blizzard employee and self-professed WoW expert will not allow his ego to be damaged.
and your the reason this is such a problem. Your being a parrot @Duskets. Your just parrotting and repeating what other people are saying. So all of this hate and negativity is just because piratesoftware has a big ego and didnt admit his mistake? kind of fucked if you ask me. Everyone in the youtube comments are now repeating the same thing about piratesoftwares ego and this is why he deservess all of this internet hate raiding,
@@JackJackKcajify When you act like you are high and mighty and better than other people and then fall from grace and show your true colors you better believe the people you burned and the people you insulted along the way are gonna come out of the woodwork against you. Who knows how many people this guy has been abusive towards or how many other situations he tried to manipulate? His entire platform is showing off how superior his thinking is and how he is an expert about this and that and the other thing. He got caught in a bad situation and tried to gaslight his way out of it.
@@JackJackKcajify Yes, that is quite literally it and the evolution of this whole incident from a non-issue into the talked about situation it has become is entirely a result of his ego. *This whole spectacle is of Pirate's own making.* Literally nobody would have cared if he just said "hey that's my bad I didn't realize I had the materials to try harder in saving them in the heat of the moment." People make mistakes. But he cannot admit that because he has spent so long building himself up as this Mage expert who performs under pressure and can rise to the occasion. When you talk yourself up that high you cannot come back down. Worse yet, he then doubled down by saying that he couldn't allow himself to be sacrificed because he was the guild's enchanter, alluding to the idea that his life was more valuable than theirs. And then there's the VODs of him passive aggressively talking down to Lacari who admits that he is new to the game and still trying to learn. Or the VODs of him blaming his Ashes of Creation team for a wipe only to have it revealed that he caused the wipe, and instead of admitting he was wrong he immediately spins it as a situation that was not his fault. I seriously would not be surprised if there is some degree of narcissistic personality disorder. People aren't upset at this guy because of the deaths. They're upset at him because a grown man well into adulthood *should* have the ability to admit when they are wrong or made a mistake, and yet he keeps saying otherwise. It’s indicative of a serious character flaw and it makes people *really* not want to be around you.
Never tried to directly contact him, but lets be honest, he's not a victim of a hate campaign, he's a victim of his own big mouth and ego and lies and we all know how the internet treats hypocritical self pro-claimed saints, the internet is not a corporate safe space where people will not call out your stuff and hold your responsible for the sake of social appearance.
No he doesnt. Starving abused children deserves attention. Not a streamer who does nothing for society other than leech. Learn some empathy and be better.
@@abbemartensson3850 then why are you here giving attention to him? There are programs to volunteer in those poor countries, surely you've signed up and will sell all your tech to go give them much needed attention and help, like you claim is your values.
@ it showed up on my recommended and I decided to watch a little and comment on it. Am I not allowed to do that? Are you the dictator of Grubbys comments? Does other peoples opinions that are different from yours cause you to feel anger? Be better.
Delete all your social media and give your life to help starving children in struggling countries. Be better. It's such a stupid nothingburger comment, what's your point? Yes, the world is horrible, but people can and should still care about unimportant things, or you will go insane. @@abbemartensson3850
That's possible but I think he's just a POS troll masquerading as a nice guy. I personally believe he played like shit on purpose. He has a long history of being a troll. which is fine but hea hypocritical man child when he even gets the lightest pushback.
Your parents/guardians raised you right Mr Grubby, credit to them. You have a wonderful way of, not only seeing things, but articulating them. Thank you!
This a little funny because grubby often says that he wasn't raised that well and that he had to learn almost all social and emotional intelligence based things on his own later in his life lmao - he can correct me on this, of course
He doesn't deserve threats, those people are disgusting but he 100% deserved the hate he got. You can't cultivate this golden boy persona that can't do no wrong, constantly have to be right, talk down to others than get yourself in this situation where he 100% got tilted with the group and intentionally burned his mana to not help them. Gaslight, lie and deflect all blame without angering so many people. You can't double down, tripple down, quadruple down and not anger people who know your wrong. The gaslighting alone is annoying. Hopefully now that he's out of the group, is doing is own thing that this can all dial down for him but I'm 90% sure he learned nothing from this which is a shame.
Genuinely think if he stuck to his guns, refused to take any responsibility and just didn't talk about it after he wouldn't have gotten kicked. I think the main issue was he told a small lie to cover his bad gameplay and when called out on that lie he told another and another and another until eventually the situation moved away from the dungeon completely
If he just either took the criticism better or ignored the whole thing he'd have been fine. But sadly it seems like his ego got in the way and it escalated to the point where he started lumping the gentile corrections with the deranged haters. It's been sad to watch.
@@gamma00crucis and now instead he's known as the guy who's pretty much the exact opposite to the persona he's been cultivating in his shorts. Just the fact that this is how he prioritizes things already makes it almost impossible to take him seriously anymore.
It's nice to hear the full story from an honest person, so many people are gaslighting by saying he was kicked just because he screwed up in the dungeon and the gm is overreacting. When in reality it had FAR more to do with his reactions afterwards and his complete unwillingness to take any responsibility for his actions or apologize.
There is more to it, than that. The situation was aggravated when Soda pretty much asked for a public apology, which most likely came down to Yama crying to Soda about it. I am basing that last part on how Yama did go to other streamer's to contest the conclusion that Yama did not agree with. And to be fair, Pirate did already conceded that mistakes were make on everyone, it is in the stream clips.
@@michaeldavis4980 You do realize that saying "oh everyone made mistakes" is not taking any accountability right? It shows how difficult it is for him to say "I fucked up", absolutely refuses to admit that he actually fucked up. And you know what, every time someone doubles down like this, for most people the bar for the apology goes higher. Everyone else immediately admitted that they fucked up. Everyone but Pirate. And I know for a fanboy its difficult to understand, it was not him playing bad that is the problem. I will repeat this. It is not being bad at the game that is the problem. It is his behavior towards the rest of the team, and towards other guild members.
@ You really cannot construct an argument without an attack? That makes your entire statement moot. And the truth is, there is fault that goes to all the group members, with exception of the healer. But in the healer's case it can be argued that their mistake was stopping to heal, when the call was already made to RUN RUN RUN.
@ To pewpin1039: You really cannot construct an argument without an attack? That makes your entire statement moot. And the truth is, there is fault that goes to all the group members, with exception of the healer. But in the healer's case it can be argued that their mistake was stopping to heal, when the call was already made to RUN RUN RUN.
Best video on the situation I've seen. Like you said in your video and like a lot of people pointed out by now: This drama is not about the game itself, but about a narcissist who publicly shows his unwillingness to account for his own mistakes and trying to deflect the blame on everyone else. This kind of behaviour is infuriating. And Pirate himself did realize that he talked/lied himself into a corner, which you can actually see when watching from 10:00 onwards, as you point out in your video. He was quickly moving his cursor in the direction of the mana gem, which he at that moment realized he forgot to use (same with the mana robe I guess) and his brains initial, instinctive reaction was to use it now. But then he realized what he was saying ("nothing I could have done, look at my low mana") and instantly moved the mouse away from it and actually uses mana on Ice Barrier, although he was in no danger at all in that moment, just so he can say that he's oom. He said/did all this just because his narcissistic brain doesn't want to admit a mistake. This scene alone tells you everything you need to know about Pirates character. And this is just one aspect of the whole situation, his intentional use of the 1-HP-Overlay and his shittalking other mages/players and everything else he said/did in his narcissism was just piling up and now its all coming down on him, rightfully so. Pirate is constantly talking out of his ass and this time it caught up to him. In an older clip, when playing Ashes of Creation, he said to another player that "if you are being a bitch then people will come down on you". Pirate Software is a clown and I lost all respect for him.
Pirate has always been egotistical and selfish, you could see so by his denial of nepotism at blizzard, his threats of reporting his guildmates for harassment for calling him out (before he was even kicked), and his blind unwavering belief in his opinions as if he's always the smartest in the room. This type of reaction is exactly his M.O. But obviously death threats over games guys? That's pathetic
I never believe, when someone claims they got sent death threats. First of all, I was told so many times to off myself, that it made me numb for shit like that. Second of all, they almost NEVER show proof. It's incredibly easy to lie in order to gain sympathy, death threats are an obvious evil, but as with everything, I will believe it when I see it.
@@TheHalogen131even when they do provide proof, like in his case only One screenshot of a whisper (one despite "countless threats") it's just as easy to set alts with generative/copy-pasted text, ask trustworthy followers/mods to fabricate said threats. All for the sake of putting up a shield to damage control and gaslight potential harassers.
The person getting deaththreats: "Please stop, or I will report it as ToS." People, stirring the pot: "I feel uncomfortable." Lol, who cares. 1 HP macro is the real villain.
There’s a lot of layers to this drama. But in the end it just came down to pirates constant lying, deflecting, hypocrisy and inability to drop his ego that fed into this and made it way bigger then it should have been. Here’s hoping he eventually learns from this and does better
Regardless of Pirate's character, which seems more than questionable at this point, there are nowhere near enough people talking about how gross Yamato is as a person in this scenario. No one really talks about how Yamato did basically nothing during the incident, either. No one talks about how he seems to have spent the next couple hours, at least, going around to whoever would listen across OnlyFangs and UA-cam to try and minimize his role in the incident up against Pirate at every turn. He comes off as such a weasel. That, coupled with how the video game drama was content farmed by so many UA-camrs, exposing so many more terminally online sociopaths to the situation really blew the situation up. What a stink over something every single one of them signed up for as a possibility when they decided to play Hardcore WoW.
Pirate acted how Onlyfangs members are told to act in a non-onlyfangs group. I am very disappointed in how Pirate acted after the fact... should have just admitted he made mistakes.
Thing is he admitted it. During the talk with Tyler he admitted his mistakes, just not the words people want. Oh and Yamato successfully triggered him and put blame to him for his own fuck up.
@@kaly8329 no he didn't. Saying everyone could have done better is NOT taking accountability, Grubby talked about it too and already destroyed that silly argument, idk why you try to even bring it up.
@@Some_Dood thats because youre all looking for the magic words "my bad", everyone messed up is still the same thing. Heck I could say even grubby was abit biased on the take. Its just a more neutral answer because unlike Yamato that kept pushing the blame to him, he put the blame on all of them that played bad(typical corpo answer if youd look at it more). If theres one thing thats 100% on him is that on the first pull he messed up and didnt even say anything about it. But lets be honest its not really the poor play everyones ganging up on him now. But his triggered response.
You have a lot of empathy for someone that has none themselves. It's beyond a joke at this point how many pirate clips aged like milk. The inability to have any amount of accountability outside of "everyone made mistakes" and the constant doubling > tripling > quadrupling down??? It's all worrying signs that he needs to get a therapist and work on his mental character. I'm not even trying to make a joke. The streaming spotlight and social media clout has given him an ego the size you rarely see, he is bordering on main-character syndrome levels of delusion.
It's incredibly validating to see someone extremely cool-headed and fair state directly that when someone consistently sprinkles little lies, twists, and mischaracterizations in seemingly everything they say and do, that *it is irritating.*
If Yamato didn't instantly try to make it all about Pirate, I don't think Pirate would've taken such a strong stance. But he came off *in the moment* instantly blaming Pirate, then his community hate raiding Pirate, and then dragging Pirate into a call with Tyler1 to then hate blame him again - We are all human... Pirate doesn't want to say anything that makes him the individual to blame, so no "My bads," or "I could've", he will only speak in "We." Which makes sense, if you've studied human psychology.
Also everyone just ignores that Yamato is blaming him while Yamato himself was biting his arm instead of doing useful stuff either. Yamato was the hurt dog who barked at him. After that pirate reacted defensive and handled the whole situation bad.
Nooo that’s a cop out. All he said was _”bro where are you going? This is salvageable, come on”_ - that is totally reasonable especially given the fact he’s watching his friends die in slow motion.. but pirate just kept running saying _“what do you want me to do about it?”_ Then Yamato replied _”I dunno frostnova, something!”_ - again, totally rational. Actually instructive and very reasonable thing to ask from your mage. Pirate actually threw the first sassy comment back. The normal, rational response is _“Oh I thought you said run, I thought we were running.”_ _“What do you want me to do about it?”_ Is objectively sassy. Yamatos question was totally valid. Where _was_ he going? A frostnova _would_ have been perfect. Pirate got offended for being caught roaching red handed, threw sass at Yamato and THEN yamato started antagonising him about the cost of frostnova.
He was also very disingenuous about stop killing games. In one moment talking about how important multiplayer games are, but is also dismissive of offline patches to persevere multiplayer games. He’s not someone who’s fully on the bored. Harmful opinions did a good video on Pirates very bad coverage.
Drama is cool. Really brings back the feelings of the good 'ol days where people actually talked to eachother. Retail now is really missing the social aspect and so it's really cool to see that it's still alive in classic. If you're reading this, I hope you, regardless of which side you're on or how extreme you are, have a ton of a fun in this wonderful little bit of WoW's history!
I think his so-called fame is getting to his head that he should always be right and will never take accountability. Just take for example how he reacted when Vedal and Neuro broke the HypeTrain subathon record. Granted some people will call this "banter" between "friends", notice how many other people saw that as "wtf is wrong with him? can't he let vedal and co. enjoy?". Nope, he dislikes it. You might want to show some friends who are gamers or not preferably, the clip of the drama for WoW concerning Thor, which i did to some of mine, who don't play at all and they said the same thing, "It seems like this guy doesn't take responsibility and always thinks he's right", "he has this condescending tone or allure when talking to people, but he tries to hide it with good wording". Thing is, the guy is like that irl too but is good at hiding it although it seems to be getting out more often now. Btw for context, check some of the clips and videos for Ashes of Creation and how he reacts to rivalry on the server, and this was before the WoW drama. Last i saw, he was copyright striking people who are sharing a clip of him wiping his raid in AoC and he had a meltdown because he didn't again take accountability.
27:07 if you actually look at the footage you can see that it is true. The tank pulls a pack on the ramp, then another pack adds that sits at the base of said ramp, and then the boss adds as well in the end. The tank even says "we got two".
Nobody “pulled” the boss. The boss was always going that way, he turns and patrols *up* that ramp. They were fighting on his patrol route. It wasn’t a player that pulled him, he walked into range of the fight and was pulled into combat by being in proximity to other mobs that were in combat. They only _pulled_ the pack with the caster and then the pack at the base of the ramp.
wow is a 20 year old dead game... hardcore is the only way to get views to play an old game. OF is a content guild, nobody really cares about wow classic achievements. this aint a competitive raiding guild....... where pirate would never be allowed to join group.
@@GreenBeanGreenBean It's not dead just completely solved, most people playing it nowadays are playing for nostalgic reasons + there hasn't been any new game released that does WoW but better.
yea, a commenter was attacking him for making it, I don't see a problem with it people make diagrams all the time to analyze stuff, to communicate stuff to viewers
You gotta understand, when someone shows their true colors like that it calls into question their overall character. Yes, it's just a game in the sense that 'it happened in a video game' but it's the behavior that casts a shadow over everything else. If he's willing to abandon his friends so quickly and remorselessly people are going to wonder what else he'll do in a more serious situation. At the end of the day what he really did was sacrifice others for personal gain/preservation. That seinfeld meme where george pushes everyone to escape the fire is apt. If you are that blatantly selfish and indignant then, well, you reap what you sow as they say.
This is the best breakdown of the situation available. No accusations, no bullying, just facts. It's a super unfortunate situation. Everyone is wrong in this. Pirate should have taken accountability, the community made him a victim by bullying and threatening, making him get further defensive, and the guild was super gross in how they spoke about him and piled on. Watching the Guild meeting when he was kicked was so so so gross from people who should understand how communities can turn on them.
I've been an instant fan of you Grubby ever since you started playing Dota. I loved watching you wreck havoc with Naga Siren. I was hoping every time you qued that Naga was picked. Then seeing you getting stomped (sometimes) in the landing phase all until the beast, the destroyer, the asbolut king og micro got released into the jungle. Man I never get tired of watching that! I learned that you are one of, if not the most reflected person I've ever seen. You deserve so much praise for your behavior and relaxed persona. All in all and really nice guy! Not many like you in the streaming community. You are one of my favorite streamers to this day. Keep up the good work!
Everyone is acting like the Rogue didn't idle and as if the Druid didn't asspull patrols... Disgusting from OnlyFangs to put so much blame on one person when everyone else played poorly aswell.
About the entire death threats thing, it's just a convenient way to absolve any kind of accountability because now the blame dynamic has changed. This is basic 101 attacked by the media defense playbook.
I dunno if it gets mentioned, But one of the things that rubs me VERY wrong about this whole thing is that Pirate adamantly insisted he had NO mana for like 3 straight days, Doubling, tripling, quadrupling, quintupling down and not once addressing the mana gem or robe despite everyone bringing it up (and banning thousands over bringing it up), And then he finally addresses their existence, but it's to say "I didn't feel I could do anything with the resources I had at my disposal". Which is a funny way of saying, yet again, "I had no mana". And that's before mentioning the max rank blizzard he wasted nearly entirely- He started casting then cancelled after like a second before turning around and booking it. He could've done so many other things there, but he did the one thing that would nuke the remainder of his mana before running. And later makes the deliberate choice to not use his robe or gem, and instead cast a frost barrier and blinked away again which drained his somewhat regenerated mana (while he's nowhere near any enemies, mind you.) Every time he talks about mana in that clip, It's IMMEDIATELY or shortly after draining his mana back down to near 0 with some spell, 10:15 Blinks, back to 0, "What are you talking about why am I walking? Look at my mana. Do you see my mana? What am I supposed to do for you?" ; Had he simply turned around here and waited a few seconds, he would've had enough mana for rank 1 frost nova or blizzard even without gem/robe, He would've saved the priest. who died. 11:00 Stops, turns around, Almost clicks ruby, Ponders for a few seconds, doesn't, OOMs himself, Again, with a barrier. You cut it off just before, but, He then runs a few feet towards the group, Stops, turns around and runs again and says something about evocation being on cooldown while blinking away his mana AGAIN. He was halfway to the group with the mana at his fingertips for frost nova or rank 1 blizz. At this point, had he engaged, he could've saved the druid that died. Like, Jesus. He could've had like 4-5k mana between all the mana wasted on casting useless spells (blinking even further away when already WELL out of range, frost barrier with no enemies near, gem, robe, max level blizzards cast and then cancelled)... But even before that, even with "no mana" he could've been casting cheap CC spells to aid the retreat here and there, from a very safe distance, without ever being at risk himself. Because mage, ESPECIALLY frost mage, is THE survival class that can save messy situations better than any other. They can CC applicable targets for days and just kite them without ever getting in range when done well. He was never in any meaningful danger despite being 1hp, Because with rank 1 spells he wouldn't have pulled aggro off the tank, and that trash has no AOE damage, AND he was far ahead of the group in the least vulnerable position. If he just stopped and came back right at the start, they could've cleaned up everything just fine, Or at least retreated together safely. TL;DR: Even. Without. The gem or robe... Even after all his wasting mana... He could have saved both of them with a few cheap spells cast from a safe distance posing no risk to himself. He chose, Deliberately CHOSE, not to do so. Multiple times throughout that scenario, He stopped, thought about it, decided "Nah", and left. He chose himself, Not the team. Deliberately. It was not a 'mistake', It was a calculated decision. And he won't admit to that deliberacy. He's doubled down, over and over, Changing goal posts and reasons and defenses trying to dodge away from all the blame. And that is why everyone is upset with him.
27:30 regarding "used resources poorly", Yes, That IS the first time he admitted to it. But, You have to understand, that admission is in the context of "We entered that boss fight and I used my resources poorly", He STILL has not admitted to his poor or non-use of resources during the retreat phase of the incident. He just admits he burnt too much mana before the run call while simultaneously trying to wean some sympathy by exaggerating how bad off he was when the fight was engaged (40% mana, his mana was higher, etc)
28:25 "Deflect away from the malice allegations", See above. He has not admitted to his misuse After the run call.. Just before it. IMO, as outlined in the original comment I keep replying to, The actions during the retreat were deliberate. He was so far out of danger that there is no way they WERENT deliberate. He literally stops and thinks about his actions more than once, while so far away from danger that he could just walk the rest of the way out without casting another spell, then doubles down on spending mana to seem like he has no mana. Can we prove it was 'Malicious'? Perhaps not. But deliberate? I think that's a fair call to make, Seeing how he stops, thinks, and makes a decision to continue retreating and expending mana on purpose while doing so, not once, but twice, while under no duress or threat from an enemy.
Came to add one additional note, Something I noticed seeing the POV's from the other players... Apparently the 1hp thing on Pirate's stream is an overlay- Something he does/was doing as a meme. He wasn't at 1hp, He was at 100% HP the entire time, not even 1 hp missing. So it's not like he was even at risk of being one tapped if he stayed back with the group to support them. That makes all of the above even more inexcusable, imo.
Grubby you have been an amazing watch man, deff one of the brightest gems to come out of only fangs. The analytical way you approach things has been a treat to see, not to mention the just good vibes you exude whenever you are in a group or in vids. Excellent form.
That last clip was so fking funny, the fact he desperately tries to dps and then after just sits there got me so hard, I can imagine he felt so bad. But about pirate and the situation I think the reason he didn't really respond to the stay and fight call was it wasn't the clearest call "this is salvageable" isn't like "stay and fight, we can win, don't run" After calling "run run run run" if I was making a call to do the complete opposite in any game I would be loud and clear. IT was also RIGHT after he was calling him out/having ago at pirate saying/asking why he is running, when in pirates mind he makes perfect sense to be doing it at that time as the first time anyone said anything about staying and fighting was after this (of course I think it makes more sense to stay somewhat near to the team trying to peel/slow to help) and it looks like pirate then realises that the call to stay and fight was OR might of been made, again wasn't the clearest, that's when you see him turning around and getting ready to go back in, to me it also looked like when he realised he had the mana crystal (he hovers over/near it) then they say run again and to me personally when he does like a little laugh and runs out, it seems like he is thinking that this is just a shit show that's all over the place and doesn't want to get involved. It felt like at first he was just being defensive after basically being blamed for everything, I think yamato was acting/talking like a bit of a dick to be honest and felt like he was blaming pirate for the whole thing EVEN before the first person even died, while watching his pov he did nothing, even less then pirate in the situation, I don't think he should be getting off scot free because instead of running he just stood close by watching his team get bent over lmao. But it continued for multiple days which is so weird and crazy to me that I don't understand and escalated so much. One thing I'm still unsure of is if its lies or just being wrong, as when he says he couldn't of done anything more or other things like that, its only a lie IF he knows he could have done more but doesn't want to admit it, and watching him play a bit i didn't know weather he was good enough to know to be honest, seems like anyone who has played that long should know, but ive met plenty of people who prove otherwise. Great video, well covered, I love the drawing showing what happened and how, the timeline of events, a very fair and reasonable take on the situation.
Basically this. ^^ People piss and whine and bitch and moan for minutes to hours about how bad pirate was in this situation for not doing MORE when he was LOW (technically not out, but it's easy to forget things in a panic) on resources, yet the person that blamed him cast literally exactly 1 spell the entire time, which had zero effect, and he had literally full health full energy and EVERY cooldown available. He had everything he could ever want/use and used 1 ability that had no effect, CC or Damage. And it's not his fault for panicking and doing nothing. Nor is it pirate's. Well then they go "well, it was his ATTITUDE! Not accepting responsibility!" or "Attitude" As if that same rogue that did literally 0 once the pull went bad isn't also the rogue that called the "run run run run run run run run!!" then couldn't decide between running and "salvaging" without saying "turn and fight", who outright blamed pirate entirely and when told something he objectively did wrong (calling a run then going back on that in a guild where the rules were literally "run means every man for himself run", said "I'm not the shotcaller, I'm a noob" despite literally having been calling the shots. Man, sounds like not accepting responsibility. And that's not to mention that the druid was the one who pulled, and the tank was the one who's route made the mistake a possibility. So basically, no matter where in the pull you think the fault actually happened, pirate isn't the most at fault. Before the pull? Tank. Pulling? Druid. During the pull for not doing anything? Rogue. Not accepting responsibility? Rogue. It's a hilarious passing of the buck witchhunt that I can only assume actually worked because the rogue started assigning blame first. And just to be clear, I don't think the rogues at blame for doing nothing. People panic. I'm hesitant to assign full blame for the horrific calls. I think the group waiting around for EIGHT SECONDS (I counted) for the mobs to catch up with them is at fault, and so whoever's actions you think led to that (the tank's movement and body language, the rogue's calls, etc), that's who I assign the blame. And whoever that is... That's fine, shit happens. This whole event has been the most childish, facts be damned we just hate you mob I've ever seen. I can only assume it's similar to the MrBeast thing where when someone is popular, they have a ton of haters, so as soon as there's any straw to pull at to have a "reason" to hate them it's jumped on, facts be damned.
Indeed, even though PS personality got the best out of him in the end, I (having also a huge ego) would also be pissed AF is everyone was just looking at me and not that imbecile kid of Yamato, who didnt do whack when they were "salvaging it" and just casted the best missdirect in wow history.
@@KeMeEscupaUnPollo Because Yamato actually apologized right after to both people who died, and specifically said sorry to the priest and that his call for going back and heal the tank killed him. That's literally the difference of taking accountability. Also, Yamato is a wow first timer who panicked, and Pirate a wow 15+ years vet who actually judged and shit talk others mage player for being "bad" while they were newbies. Yes Yamato could have done more. But he has no ego on wow - himself said he's bad. Do you see the difference? A noob, doing noob mistakes and owning up to it versus a wow vet with big ego, intentionally not helping and letting his team die while judging others noob mages saying how it makes him ill to watch them play. Like wtf? Why on earth would you put them on the same level?
@@Some_Dood Well yeah my guy it was HIS bad call not Pirates. Why on earth should pirate have apologized because someone else is a bad leader and communicator? No sane person would apologize in that situation. You don't call to run as a leader and then yell at the guy that ran like he was told, and say nothing to your bumbling group of idiots that pulled an entire train onto the party.
Honestly I think yamato blew it way out of proportion initially and seemed to want to pin the blame solely on pirate so pirate decided to just sink with the ship. Yamato did later say they all made mistakes but it seemed to be way later. I don't think pirate handled it well either since I personally wouldn't run completely like he did, but I can understand his decision also.
Pirate handled it perfectly, there is no point of wasting time on people who doen't understand game mechanics AND don't want to accept critics. Rogue and druid are ruiners. You can see this in any team based games.
@@gendalfgray7889 Right?? Maldavius Figtree is practically a SAINT, people just don't get it! NEVER at fault, he is always 100% correct. 7 year gifted QA tester at Blizzard (don't ask about his father, or what nepotism means, or when loot is generated in WoW, or...). They solve puzzles in that house. Never ever ever faked blind playthroughs (he just understood the vibes of Outer Wilds' puzzles and such a basic game as Animal Well would never surpise him). Certified Game Developer™ (Don't dare question why after >6 years his game still is in early access and he spends his time streaming playing instead of coding). Would never even consider copyright striking criticism or documenting of his past. 0 knowledge about audio (he physically cannot bass boost his microphone to sound deeper). Incapable of being aroused by an animal (in minecraft). Complete solo player, he couldn't even dream of having people to lead zergs with in PvP after being outskilled. Such a selfless hero I bet he supports the 'Stop Destroying Videogames' initiative. Sound proofed his room to avoid any echo chambers. All this karma shitfest because the narcissist egomaniac couldn't even PRETEND to be sorry 1 (one) single time, and now everyone gets to know the real Maldavius Figtree. He ran out of mana in real life. But then again, I'm not a game dev nor have I worked at Blizzard for 7 years so what do I know? :^)
1. anyone who is upset by this outcome is taking playing games way too serious, thats on them. 2. deaths in hardcore, no matter what level of play, are part of the regular experience. There is no controversy. Everyone knows what they are signing up to, including sub optimal play by the players you are playing with. NOBODY plays perfectly 24/7. 3. I've played WoW for 2 decades, even in non-hardcore, the moment anyone says RUN, all bets are off, it's a "save your self at all costs" call. There is no ambiguity about this. Also, calling RUN is a last ditch effort as it ALWAYS causes chaos. Never an exception. You don't call run and then change your mind afterwards. I've seen this so many times in 20 years that the outcome was absolutely predictable the moment they said the word. Anyone suggesting that there was some obligation after that call doesn't understand the game or its culture. 4. I forgive Grubby for not understanding number 3 since he hasn't been playing the game for half his life. 5. I'm sure the drama this caused is generating tons of revenue from views. Nobody is really upset about it.
im still 100% in the opinion that they woudnt have died if the druid just didnt asspull 3 diffrent packs, he died to a frost bolt from a pack he asspulled, not much pirate could have done for that one Oh and Yamato didnt stun or try to help either, he just ran closer to the group hovering vanish himself, just shifting blame
With respect I think your first take on the situation was the best unbiased opinion. There is the human element that you are forgetting, and I feel you fell victim to that as well. With respect of you talking about how it is interpreted by Pirate attacking everyone in the guild as a whole, including yourself, which I would feel the same. Part of the same human element is Yama's conduct after it concluded. Considering that he (Yama) went to other streamer's channels to argue the conclusion that the other streamer came up with, the tank was the first one to screw up. Because of that, it can be safely concluded behind the scenes Yama was crying to as many people that would listen, and Soda allowed it to go on and aggravated the situation by trying to get a public apology from Pirate. But in the end you are correct it didn't have to happen, and Pirate just had to say what you said (retro spec there was more I could have done, my mind just shut his voice out, etc.) but it also could have stopped at any point before that.
Honestly I find this situation kind of weird because there are dozens of videos trying to analyze PirateSoftware's gameplay but no one makes a deepdive on how the others played, especially on Yamato. From the moment he calls "run run run run run" he uses no more skills, instead he just yells at people and immediately pins the blame on Pirate before anything ever happened. Someone said that Pirate isn't a Mage but a glorified Shadow Priest, If that's true then Yamato isn't a Rogue but a glorified Cameraman. Once you realize this you can quickly notice that he just fakes caring about everyone else "Ozy are you okay", he is literally watching him, there is nothing happening at that point. They use a dummy which distracts the mobs and that's the perfect opportunity to hit tail and get out of the dungeon (it's close to the entrance), but instead Yamato calls people back. However he himself doesn't hit the mobs, but positions himself at every moment as someone filming a movie and doesn't lift a finger to help. Just like a party magician performing a trick to the audience he weaved the blame on Pirate and everyone bought on it. He had all the tools to help just as much and they had plenty of time to run and survive. As much as pirate was a terrible mage, all the deaths are on Yamato for creating the chaos that ensued. If you check Pirate's VODs you can see that he previously did the same dungeon with a different party and there were no hurdles, they even used the aggro resets, cleared the deadly packs and he played his mage role perfectly.
because everyone know yamato is a newb and is bad at the game, Jason-Maldavius-PirateSoftware boasted all this time how good of a mage he is, how he perfectly crafted his build for exactly THIS situation and at the 1st opportunity he RUNS like a cowardly roach. and before that he shittalked other mages in the guild for "being bad' or "using bad build". its a different between newbies being newbies and elitistic narcissist screwing up and not even apologizing. he is a lying egoist with a fake persona, thats main problem.
One thing I feel, too many ignore is just how deadly some of the mobs are in this dungeon. I have been one hit by the brutes on a hunter, while the tank is supposed to have aggro. I have done this dungeon solo as a hunter so many times, that I won't blame someone for not going into a pack to frost nova mobs to save others in HC. Yes he could have used a rank 1 blizzard. But when you have played retail for so many years, and you go to classic, you will forget that ranked spells are a thing, especially in high stress situations like this. Also saying that you couldn't do any more while still being stressed about the situation, is understandable. Also he is saying that he didn't feel like he could help anyone. Yes objectively he could have. But that's not what he is saying, he is pointing to his subjective opinion. For example, I could probably do AOE farming in HC, that is an objective statement, but I don't feel like I could do that. I haven't seen a direct provable lie from Pirate. Most of it is him thinking he is around 40% mana when he was at 60%. But all that might mean is that he didn't pay attention to his mana as much as he should have. Language is important. When someone says something, you cant read meanings that might not be there in the first place. Also you say that its a mages job to bail other people out when they make a mistake. I disagree, It something a mage can do if skilled enough but its not their job. It would mean the sole responsibility for the survival of the group is on the mage. The vast majority of players cant do these plays in high risk situations. These types of things are stuff you learn if you do stuff like AOE farming or soloing dungeons. Not regular gameplay. I think Pirate is just an average player. Most of the ones I have seen talk about this stuff are higher skilled players. Also grubby is better than most players by far. If you are good at one game you will be able to get good at another game fast.
Just watch how pirate acted in Ashes of Creation, he has severe main character syndrome, which is hilarious because he also acts like a super villain with his little minions.
I would like to thank Grubby once again, for being so down to earth. It is amazing quality. Dont lose it, please! I hope that more people will learn from your actions and way of thinking. Cheers!
The bans were probably more about spamming chat during a time where everyone knows he is being harassed (This doesn't count as sharing your opinion, it's dogpiling and ruining his stream, the fact it's 10,000 accounts is probably evidence of that alone but he did make it sound more serious than that). I'd also preference him saying bad things about the guild doesn't extend to every single person, i think it was stupid for him to say things about the guild but i've seen many takes just berating pirate while he's experiencing a good amount of abuse so he can feel negatively about that. I might be completely wrong but i think Yamato got to pirate and he shut down. He knows how to save everyone, i'd imagine he'd have done more. I think he got annoyed, dropped the ball and then listened to Yamato afterwards just blame him. I dont think pirate even had proper time to say he messed up before they were turning it on him, was never about accountability was about blame.
Grubby has a very cool demeanor. I love how he's able to analyze the situation objectively without bias. I agree with him here 100%. It's nice to have conversations like this to improve our interpersonal relationships and understand how somebody's actions can affect another. In the long run, we're all in this together and wow is a game that requires teamwork and cooperation. There's nothing wrong with panicking or making mistakes, it's not about that, but how you move on from the situation, hash things out and bury the hatchet. A simple apology or an "I was wrong" can go a long way and IMO it does speak volumes about one's character.
Not really. The priest committed which was friendly. But standing still for 3 heals and letting ogres run past him was bad positioning. Sacraficing your own character is respectable but isn't good gamplay.
You show a lot of emotional intelligence, empathy, and I think that's exactly why people love you as a streamer/content creator.
Grubb's like a gaming buddy who I've known for years, and he's the kind of guy who will be a kick ass Dad someday.
What empathy did he show?
@@CyrilZhe In the previous breakdown, he explained how the group dynamics exacerbated the problem, and added in leeway for suboptimal play given the stress of the situation. A lack of empathy would be there is no excuse, you have to play optimally. The empathetic response is identifying the sub optimal play while acknowledging that mistakes happen.
@@CyrilZhe Did you watch the video?
Pirate software runs a ferret sanctuary for sick ferrets and urns thousands of dollars for charity and always gives people advice on how to make games and follow there dreams he was the best streamer out of all of you. How many other streamers actually help the community like him ummm non of them!!!!!
Maldavius Figtree/Jason/PirateSoftware has been a malicious actor who griefed sims in Second Life, he had been a malicious bully of a CEO in EVE, he had been a malicious bully as a guild leader in Ashes of Creation.
So there is no reason to give him the benefit of a doubt at this point with his actions in WoW. It's not incompetence, it's malice.
Who woulda thunk Grubby would be the one to hold no punches but also be the most fair and considerate to Pirate! Well done bud.
First time I've seen grubby but he seems like a level headed person, are these not usually his takes?
@@DylanMartin-l6gHe's generally extremely sensible and level-headed in his takes
Grubby for War Chief!
thunk is just a grubby meme right? im doubting now
Twitch community has not a singular independant thought, just follow the hype, trend, hate doesntmatter.
I soured on Pirate Software when he made his stop killing games take, which grossly misrepresented the petition in a way that seemed very malicious (and spread misinformation that the petition has to struggle against to this day) and inserted a ton of personal biases into the discussion because he has a conflict on interest with his own live service projects. This is just another piece of evidence that he's an extremely selfish person that will throw anyone under the bus if he thinks he can improve his personal reputation with it.
he also went turbo glaze on roblox multiple times after the pmg videos exposing Roblox as, among other things, actively harboring and protecting pedophiles on their platform
Tbh most people are inherently selfish at times but somehow its not okay if others is being selfish at times.
Not defending Thor, just wanna say something.
@@fg2002id Everyone is selfish to some extend, a pattern of lying and manipulation for the explicit benefit to yourself alone is narcissism.
He's an industry insider, he's a game corpo nepo baby, his dad worked at blizzard for 20 years. Thor will always side with the corpos.
PirateSoftware's behaviour is not in the least suprising if you watched him during his coverage of "Stop Killing Games". He either misunderstood or misconstrued the aims of SKG and when getting told that he was wrong he doubled and tripled down on his wrong interpretation. He also, instead of disagreeing with Ross in calm manner, insulted him with a comparision with a "greasy carsalesman" instead. Thor has an ego the size of Noah's Ark and is just as prone to capsizing without God's intervention. Him doing the exact same thing in other situation shows just how easy it is for him to lie about facts.
he not missunderstand, he misslead. There is big difference
yeah, that was a big turn off for me, but I really enjoyed his aoc chat with asmon.
Yeah I think that's the long and short of it. He got a LOT of eyes on him during that interaction with Ross and even a fair amount of his own viewers called him out on it. It was inevitable that the next drama he was in was going to blow up.
STK are moronic. Wanting Government to FORCE publisher to newer take down a game.
Thor got a lot of weird and outright stupid akes about some things, but not on this.
@@JoriDiculous Thor pls login to main account
I think this got so huge because PirateSoftware got semi-famous via wholesome UA-cam-Shorts and he developed a kind of "golden boy"-like reputation. However, this situation showed a complete different side of him and my guess is that most people who knew or knew of PirateSoftware were very surprised.
At this point everything would've blown over, it's just superficial drama in a video game after all, but PirateSoftware went mental boom for some reason and when you're this stubborn, arrogant and childish, people will absolutely keep challenging that behaviour. He brought this on himself.
I was one of those that enjoyed hearing him talk- I’m shocked he this bluntly came out this way. I understand people have flaws (I know I do) but damn he straight up villian arc. Huge ego with a I can never be wrong mindset.
@@SaxonBlue2 Google Maldavius Figtree so you can complete the lore and see it through the end. Google him bullying fellow Ashes of Creation alpha players, bullying Lacari (his fellow Onlyfangs guildmate) and his EVE online antics, so you can see why this drama just triggered a whole lot of can of worms his way.
That's a text book narcissist. They are charming and then when their mask slips up and you confront them about it they will go mental against you unless they manage to gaslight you into thinking you are sensitive and overreacting. But unfortunately for him it's hard to manipulate like this everyone who is watching this. And I'm glad. Narcissists deserve to be exposed and called out.
@@SaxonBlue2 Well said!
He has a strong logic-oriented mind/ego that he holds to such high esteem that he can't even fathom the world where that logic is incorrect. It's all the same side of him; he doesn't take other people into account when forming his logic. Everyone else is just a 'blip on the radar' to him, this is the outcome of that karma.
I think the reasons why this completely blew out of proportion is first because Pirate's entire online persona is about him knowing so much and being so smart while once he is put to the test he's just not up to snuff. The second reason is that he isn't that small a content creator and even had one of the biggest WoW content creators ridding his d*ck during the drama, making everything worse instead of better. The third reason is that Pirate was talking so much smack before this event, attacking Lacari, smugly stating how he would do different from others, etc, and this all fed into the issue. From the very first moment where he casted the rank 3 blizzard before the third pack was even pulled it became very apparent that his plan was to use all of his mana and dip, he did not even look back because he had no intention to and wanted to make sure he had plausible reasons to let them die.
also his relentless bullying and demeaning of lacari, A NEW player, for not knowing how to play the game and continually laughing and belittling him. made me do a 180 on how i viewed him. he even admitted on stream that he was bullying him for hours and just laughed about it. guy is a weirdo
it's kind of interesting
the label he gave to a new player in lacari (that there was only 1 mage in the room, when he and lacari were both mages)
well soda poppin later would apply the same label to pirate, saying he's not a mage, if the guild makes a group, we have to treat it as if there is no mage in the group
@@justanobody0 so in a way, pirate was right in his assessment back then
It's Lacari. Everyone shits on him.
He is clearly a racist.
The most ironic thing about all his shitty little snide comments about Lacari in that clip? Pirate is refreshing Arcane Intellect that still has 15 minutes on the timer, and Lacari, unbeknownst to him, is getting duped by this jackass. Meanwhile, in the infamous Dire Maul run, you can actually see everyone's Intellect FALL OFF BEFORE THE PULL! Lacari is also fucking STOMPING Pirate in DPS until he throws his mental off with the comments.
The most important thing in team games is to behave in a way that people will want to play with you again.
In-game, he didn't properly use mage abilities to crowd-control the adds, then IRL he didn't properly use social abilities to crowd-control his guild mates and the broader audience.
Maldavius Figtree (aka Piratesoftware aka Thor aka Jason) roached out and denied that he roached out and lied/manipulated in an attempt to cover this up, while also banning and threatening punitive actions anyone that did not pat his back and agree with him...
@@mcfarvo His team was out of danger, and then decided to re-engage to "salvage" the dungeon while:
- He was the other way from where they needed to be to re-engage.
- Everyone's resources were spent getting out of the original mess.
- He would have had to walk back to conserve mana, so he's not there to help even if he did come back.
- They sat on the ramp for a good 3 to 5 seconds, nothing hitting them, and ran back in instead of running to the entrance where Pirate was heading.
- He literally watched them do the above, then gave up, wasted mana, etc.
So no, he didn't roach out. He backed off, his team ran back in when they were clear, he left them to their stupid decision. Yamato roached out, didn't do anything after making the moronic call to re-engage with resources spent, mage missing, too much pulled, packs literally surrounding them, then ran for the exit like people cry Pirate did after Sara and Snupy got killed by his dumb call.
They were all out, four of them re-engaged when they knew their mage was no where near the group.
@@mcfarvo the "roach out" made sense, the team was unorganized as hell and Sara didn't even have to die if rogue and tank didn't told her to come back in and kept running. this has been analyzed by tons of people, everyone messed up.
The threat was not to people who simply disagrees, the threat was towards people who are literally making up lies about his past and those who are breaking Twitch ToS to brigade him. Clear example, he's not threatening Savix.
i know it's easy to hate on the guy but the video "Maldavius Figtree" was a hit piece towards him that's telling a twisted story about his past that's been resolved in the present. Regarding the character Maldavius itself, he is open about being a villain in EVE.
i hope this tidbits helps you out. probably won't, but maybe some people can at least consider verifying the truth instead of just blindly believing what LSF has spread online.
Everyone is your potential enemy at all times when you're a streamer.
@@mcfarvo Regarding calling him "Maldavius" thing... You realize you're the kind of toxic person Grubby is talking about, right? Why are things that Thor did 17 year ago relevant to you? Some kids were emo when they were in high school, and it's fucked up to take like a 37 year old streamer, and insult him for something he did when he was like 19 or 20, or who he was back then.
"two people died (in game)" the in game part is a funny addendum to the statement
It's only funny to someone who watches birds for fun... I guess. You and the 24 other would-be birdwatchers.
Have fun guys.
No it's actually a funny addendum
Thank you for the clarification, Grubby
Its funny but it's very important in a way. People need to recognize this was all stuff that happened IN A VIDEO GAME. Most of the emotions and opinions are valid, but the death threats and personal attacks are not valid.
@@YuYuYuna_I didn't know the context, for me it was necessary to say that it was just in game.😂 From the title of the videos it seemed like he committed some crime in real life
Our boy just made the list.
Not sure how anyone can defend him after that "Death Note". It was damning.. Incredibly childish and cringe.
"Was it worth it?"
Nobody and I mean NOONE messes with Maldavius Figtree the GREAT. Did you know that he worked 7 years at Blizzard:O
As if he's not on theirs
@@IdiotSandwich-q6z because if you actually watch the full clip he is talking about banning the degenerates who went too far, like the death threats. He didn't say a word about banning guild mates. People that actually violate the TOS, he talked about those.
Soon as you *know* someone has lied, you question every interaction you ever had with them.
The gaslighting is telling.
And you start question every single video you saw of him.
Like being a jedi warrior, special secret agent, etc etc.
Not so much that they've lied, but that they continue to double down on it. I think everyone, even the best most genuine people, are capable of making lies about something. The difference is genuinely good people when caught in their life and shown the proof they will own up to it and not only apologize for their fuck up but also apologize for lying about it and trying to deceive people. That's your inner conscience telling you what you did was wrong and it's time to fess up instead of playing dumb because the truth is finally here.
Context matters. In this case the context is an effing video game.
second puberty lol.
What I want to know is why NOBODY on this issue bothered to suggest "call for kite" being a much better and safer suggestion.
What's worse is "RUN RUN RUN! FIGHT! RUN! SALVAGEABLE! RUN!" is being excused by so many people putting their piece into this situation.
No sensible person would EVER try and stay to fight or run and fight. If kite call was not made and RUN RUN RUN call was made and shifted from Run to Fight repeatedly, you have NO business running with those people whatsoever. You shouldn't be running with them. That level of indecisiveness should NOT exist on a hardcore server.
The smartest thing anybody could have done was run and not look back until everybody is in a safe spot to regroup. The Druid kept pulling everything. Even IF Pirate stayed and used all his mana on blizzards to slow mobs, all that does is give the highest probability that more people would have died or a full wipe would happen. It takes a little over a second to cast blizzard. That slightly more than 1 second can go from a mage being safe to being in danger and getting killed if they don't have enough mana to blink. This is basic MMORPG logic.
The man is enemy number 1 to millions of people because people are ignoring the fact that the pulls were bad, the shot calling was bad and that accounts for almost the entire situation. Shot calling is literally the most important role in a game game. it holds the MOST responsibility. If you are indecisive, you prove yourself to be untrustworthy and if you call RUN RUN RUN! FIGHT! RUN! SALVAGEABLE! RUN! I'm GTFOing. You're on your own.
A lot of people could have done a lot of things in that situation. JUST RUNNING being one of those things and NOT PULLING MORE MOBS being another, but doing MORE only increases the chance of a full wipe. Because the act of "doing more" is what caused this to happen in the first place. The Druid is a prime example of that. The Druid tried to "do more" and ended up pulling more mobs. Blizzard has a pretty large AOE in tight spaces with mobs hanging out everywhere. Blizzard could have pulled another mob and that would have made things worse and Pirate would have gotten crucified for that.
There was no situation in this where Pirate would have gotten away without being public enemy number 1. The man has an ego the size of clouds and makes situations significantly worse, but, I feel that - in this case - is because of the result of stress and pressure of dealing with all of the hate he has been receiving and how few people in the guild tried to defend him. Nobody knows how they'd handle a situation like this under so much pressure on levels Pirate has been going through like they think they can.
Even the calmest and most logical people break from pressure.
But, the most important detail people want to ignore is that, literally everybody else fucked up hard enough to allow a situation like that to even happen. There was no way Pirate was coming out of this unscathed, so he listened to the RUN RUN RUN call. If listening to the RUN RUN RUN call was his only real fault, he played better than most of the party. It's just the excuses he came up with that really made things worse. Nobody is considering that the entire situation and all of the calls and actions made were beyond any and all reasoning and the only correct thing to do would have been to listen to the RUN RUN RUN call and not look back.
All of this could have been avoided if a kite call was made.
Could all have been avoided with four words: "Sorry, I messed up" but his ego was too big.
A lot of clips have surfaced of piratesoftware being a douche-canoe to smaller content creators and a bully to smaller guilds in other games. Seems like karma.
A growing issue more like. that was just a mask off moment.
Many people excuse this because of it not being on him that the pull started bad or the run call.
Meanwhile anyone whos been watching has seen consistent behavior from him. That was just the cherry on top to confirm his mindset is selfish and will never change.
Isnt that like most of the players on that guild? Isnt Tyler1 a member also?
@@DarthMizaru it's t1's persona, pirate on the other hand is actually toxic and insecure af
T1 is actually wholesome when it comes to not actually hurting people's feelings and being nice. He just has a persona that is aggressive, he isn't ok with toxicity in his community though
@@SomeHarryGuyLet's be real some people are too emotionally and socially unintelligent to understand this. They care more about peoples personas than their actual actions. Tyler1 and Thor are the complete opposites like mentioned. Tyler1 is fake toxic but actually a good dood and Thor fakes being a good dood and is actually toxic.
I never had any issue with Pirate despite lots of people saying they didn't like his ego/attitude. But this whole situation is outright ridiculous. There are so many clips of Pirate being outright rude to other players and boasting about his own skill, but when he clearly messes up he denies any responsibility and acts like he's being attacked. Its not surprising he got kicked. Who would want to group with him?
The only reason I do not like this ban is the fact that pirate was not the most toxic player in the group and his mistakes were within the same level with others in the same group. It feels like he only got banned because his mistakes were more obvious, so rogue started to put a blame on him and pirate got defensive and rude when people started dogpiling on him.
@@dddlll7003Yeah, I don't like that he roached out like that and then denied all fault, but Yamato was way more toxic and definitely got the priest killed while also not doing anything of substance.
@@dddlll7003 it was not about that at all. The gkick has nothing to do with his gameplay but everything with how he conducted himself both during and afterwards. If I were in that group he would be the only person I would not want to group up with afterwards. He is straight up unpleasant towards other team members, arrogant and telling others what they should do while being really bad in the game. People have a natural tendency to dislike hypocracy.
@@tihonannenkov4114 same critic can be made about Yamato. If you watch the gameplay, he was way more toxic than Pirate and made calls that got people killed. If they had just stuck with the run call, then more than likely only the Druid would have died. Yamato got the priest killed. Then he goes and starts talking about how he would have played the situation. There’s also other factors at play here that everyone seems to forget. From Tyler1 himself, “play for yourself (this is a rule in OnlyFangs’ rule list)… your hours are more important than other people’s hours… f*ck your hours…” Pirate was playing by the rules of the guild. I don’t think Pirate is absolve of how he has handled the situation after the fact, but I think he is right for his actions and his actions are far less egregious than Yamato’s
Also not what the gkick was for. He was reporting streamers to twitch for hate-raids to get them banned.
"I'm sorry, guys, I panicked and could have done more" literally all that needed to be said. Of course no one deserves to hate train like this based on two dead characters in a video game, but I can understand kicking him from the guild, since no one would want to group with him, and everyone would be sour if he got a raid spot.
I dont see the correlation between being in the guild and having a raidspot or even having to play with certain people who would be uncomfortable with him
Complete BS. On the contrary, the more he would excuse himself the more the mob would have piled up on him. Bowing before the mob never appeases the mob, only incites it more.
@@zarakikenpachiish I dont see the correlation between the gkick and him not being in the guild??
That's not all that needed to be said though. If he was just a coward it would have never reached this level of notoriety. The issue is that he wasn't scared or lacked skill. He DIDN'T WANT to help. You can see him hovering over useful abilities and then not using them, opting to waste mana with pointless blinks and ice block. He chose not to help because he thought he was better than them and that they deserved it.
“I’m sorry” wouldn’t change anything it’s a video game. Grow up and start over again
His arrogance is why I quickly stopped liking Piratesoftware
The break was when he went out of his way to go against Stop Killing Games twice. Purposefully misrepresenting the arguement and ignoring all the solutions to his own claims
The problem was: 'Companies turn off the servers and then shut the game down'
The solution was: 'If a company wants to shut down a game, they should be required add the means for people to host private servers, client side'
His stance was basically: 'Companies dont have infinite money and so cannot infinitely host servers'
which nobody denied but it had nothing to do with the issue and then he doubled down on that calling everyone who didn't agree with him morons, completely ignoring all the holes in his arguementation and the massive strawman he put up.
He is the embodiment of 'I'm all for criticism, unfortunately it's always wrong, because I cannot be wrong'
I'm glad more people are seeing him for the arrogant egotist he really is
I feel like this guy's problem is that he is surrounded by so many sycophants his ego has become too inflated to admit to any mistake; it is either "you are wrong" or "we all did poorly", and from that there is no dialogue to be had.
that's the problem with most streamers in general.
who is going to watch your content? people who generally like you and agree with you.
this creates a bubble that can shield you from reality. these streamers usually have insane egos because they can click a ban or mute button and be done with it instead of facing and reflecting stuff properly.
In the deep of Dire Maul奏出伤的歌 Every man for himself 提悲伤的歌 Mage cannot save you 提悲伤的歌 Blink Blink 提悲伤的歌 To the door of light 提悲伤的歌歌
*blue magic man
💀💀
Great blink foward
Seeing the Ashes of Creation raid clip of Pirate wiping his own raid, blaming others and when shown proof of it being him who did it, completele deflecting all blame...this was a couple weeks before the Dire Maul incident. Puts this whole thing into a more continuous timeline of where PS can simply do no wrong.
Also what really bugs me is him generalizing that everyone played bad, made mistakes and all of the examples are always missing 1 person from the group. The one that is often an afterthought for everyone in WoW it seems, someone to just enable them to have fun, the healer. What exactly was the bad plays and mistakes the healer in the group did that they deserved to get merced when the roach left them hanging? Not to mention if PS actually recalled their existence, that one argument presented at one point that using mana gem would draw agro is proven to be bullshit. The healer had all of the agro beyond the tank, because they actually kept doing their job, healing, which generates threat.
Is that the WHO PULLED THE OCCULUS raid?
That was me.....I clipped him to let him know he pulled. He was berating his group for like 5 minutes and threatening to kick them...He still admitted nothing wrong, and he perma banned me. Now I admit that I wasn't very friendly with my final critique on him, but this was after him taking no blame, berating his group and telling me I was bullshitting him by showing him proof it was his was fault. I didn't mind the ban after that
He's been copyright claiming clips of that i watched one earlier clicked on it an hour later and it said this video has been copyright claimed by pirate software llc
@@RaintapASMR damn he's a textbook narcissist
There's an ashes of creations video made by a guy from a rival guild on the same server with Pirate. Same story as wow: ego and no skill to back it up😂
As a new Grubby subscriber and veteran classic wow player, my favorite aspect of Grubby is that he explains everything clearly and in a way for non wow players to also understand. In addition to his mature takes, Grubby has been a breath of fresh air in the wow community. Please keep it up Grubby!
You can tell Grubby has actually had a real job and real responsibilities, unlike the rest of the guild. The drama is a drug that the chat will keep chasing. This guild is just drama from this point on
@m.j.e.5245 Grubby is like an OG pro gamer from warcraft 3, i'm 35 and i remember being 14 and thinking he was the most badass player cuz he was always high/top rank on wc3 ladder
I have never played WoW, and I concur!
but he didn´t! he left out a LOT of things. thats why several wow pro players came to the conclusion that its not pirates fault.
-the group was beyond savin
-some npcs unable to be CCed
-Mage oom
-several calls for run from at least 2 people
-not only pulling one boss too much but 2 additional mob groups
-rogue standing near the action but not doing anything and contributing as much as mage
-...
@Njordin2010 If you still think this is about the group dying you need to start using your head.
Its about him being toxic and self centered as hell, while swimming in sea of hypocrisy. He is the bully, and people don't like bullies
Going to be honest, I'm a fan of Pirate Software, but you broke it down so detailed and calmly and I do think Pirate is in the wrong, I can see how he can lock down in the moment to not apologize, but after watching this I think he should apologize.
Just make sure he doesn't see this comment or you will have to explain it to him in unban request. Memes aside a lot could be forgiven if he apologised and learned from it
It wouldn't be so damning if he wasn't a complete ass to people in Ashes of Creation as well. I saw a video on that earlier - he ran to WoW because of the drama he created over in Ashes lol
Yup, he's better off playing single player games. His personality doesn't do well in MMOs.
@@OldSchoolMinded He has a history in EVE Online too. Dunno how easy it is to understand for people who haven't played it because it's so different, but it's pretty bad. And let's be honest, if you're so terrible that you get thrown out of one of the most toxic gaming communities in the galaxy, you really effed up.
And that's nothing compared to what he did in Second Life... Dude's got a long history...
@@OldSchoolMindedhis personality doesn’t do well in terms of human interaction in general
@@OldSchoolMinded If only he was at least decent at pretending he didn't look up the solutions of singler player games' puzzles, but yeah.
Maldavius Figtree is at it again.
How did he get that nickname?
@@deamon6681 He made it himself.
2 decade old lore appearing is WILD haha
@@deamon6681 It's an old screenname of his that he would rather have wiped off the face of the Earth.
It's his furry persona lmao
I love how grubby puts the “g” when he says sodapopping lol
I thought that was a great detail as well, somehow it says something positive about his personality 😂
he also didn't say "g" from gkick
there is a conspiracy in here somewhere rubby
Sodacuckin
I think you might be the most calming chill streamer I’ve found through this whole only fangs saga
Xaryu too!
The only other time I've run into PirateSoftware was when he came out against Ross Scott of Accursed Farms's "Stop Killing Games" campaign. If I remember correctly, the behavior was similar - he may or may not have sincerely misunderstood the SKG campaign's aims, but he then retreated into weird, petty lying to cover his ass as things progressed.
I'm going down the rabbit hole right now. This guy has repeatedly shown himself to be a horrible person. The difference this time? Everyone has receipts, and he can't one-sidedly tell his story. Dude was involved in so much drama even before streaming😂
Thanks for the information! I could not find your original reply, SaurontheDeceiver, but I just wanted to say thanks for the detailed reply that you gave regarding the SKG/PS situation. Cheers!
@@user-us3xi7se5b They were never very big incidents, but now with this and the issue of Asmon he has all the attention and the collage he was making of micro-problems showed the size of his ego
@@user-us3xi7se5b He's been streaming for something like 7 years, I am unaware of any drama before then. He has an occasional history of disparaging other people's views if they clash with his own. There seem to be a few individuals who he has allowed to change his mind in these scenarios, usually opting to stop involvement and move on to something else to escape the drama. The childish escapism isn't as big a deal by itself, but to call smaller creators "insane behavior" etc at his scale comes with extreme consequences to those people that I'm not sure he understands. He also very heavily censors topics and messaging in his community, which sucks more due to a lack of communication on rules in chat. He also hasn't updated his early access game Heartbound in over a year. All that being said, he has inspired and provided tools to a very large viewership of small creators and the ferret rescue is pretty cool.
he not missunderstand, he misslead. There is big difference
I'm not an MMO person, but to be blunt, his character seems to either have shifted, or has started to show it's true colors. It's sad. I looked up to him, but he really isn't the "wholesome" guy he tries to show himself off as.
I don't hate him, but it's hard to like him, considering all of the stuff he's said and done that are clear signs of poor character.
He's a bully and narcissist/egocetric, that's how it usually works. There is a clip when a new player doesn't play optimally and admits he's new to the game. While knowing that pirate proceeds to insult and be passive aggressive to him. If that wasn't bad enough his comments didn't age well as he's a crappy player as well.
PirateSoftware has never tried to be the 100% wholesome dude. One of the things he'll mention every stream (because someone brings up a question that he feels he can answer because of it) is how he used to lead one of the biggest guilds in EVE Online and got into spy games and stuff; another is that he used to work in pen-testing and would, as his job, try to convince people to tell him stuff that they weren't supposed to. But he's also been clear about what he does in game being acceptable to him because it's a game. He's *also* been clear, since the start of Onlyfangs, that he's looking out for himself. That was never ever a secret.
@ I mean I don’t keep up with Pirate that often, I’m just speaking from my experience with his content
I used to hold this Pirate guy in high regard because he seemed like a nice guy. I learned it's all an act and, in my opinion, he doesn't deserve any of the success he has built upon his throne of lies.
You can’t be fucking serious? Because of wow drama. LMAO
He's quite likely a sociopath, just based on the ways he interacts with people and lacks the ability to empathize or take responsibility in any capacity. They tend to seem quite nice at first until their true intentions are revealed.
@@SolitaryLarkthis has caused people to research his past. He has a long recorded habit of being an arrogant, toxic guy.
@ I think that's the issue for me. It's something so miniscule, yet he's this insufferable with something this small. Imagine the stakes were higher, should we expect even worse behavior then?
@ no you should expect something not in a game would have a different response lol
“And two people died. In game.” Thanks for the clarification 😂
Yeah this whole content thing is dead. I dont respect any of these streamers, including pirate. But I hate mobs more than anything.
Everyone who told him to kill his character in game as a sacrifice was counted as a death threat to him and reported as if someone told him to KYS in RL when they are talking about killing his character in a video game. So the meme is now you need to clarify very clearly you mean in game or youll get banned by pirates dad that owns blizzard.
In my opinion it’s good to see people behave in this situations. It drops the mask and shows the real person behind the streamer persona. Never understood any hype around Pirate. He is lying and overestimating him all the time. But hopefully his viewers will understand this one day 🙏🏼
He is astro turfed 100 percent and part of the Night Media brand that monopolizes shorts and who is featured on the UA-cam front page. Look at their client list I bet you see their faces daily whenever you logon to UA-cam or open the App. I get suggested hundreds of Asmongold videos and I don’t have any interest in his content.
he has perma 25k viewers on twitch I don't even understand how
@@lordsaviorswarmthatwalks3385 it started with him somehow manipulating youtube short algorithm.
youtube shorts for him are all the good highlights and if that's all you are exposed to it will lead you to believe that he is knowledgeable, wholesome, and full of wisdom.
once someone takes a step outside of that, and if they aren't smitten by him at that point, all they have to do is look at his supposed game developer accomplishments and actually pay attention to how he is throughout one or a few streams and you begin to see he has a massive ego.
his game dev knowledge is cursory at best. for sarters, he kickstarted backed Heartbound in 2017 for $20k. he used to do patch updates every 6 months on the game, but since his rise in streaming popularity he has dialed back to once a year since about 2021-2022. he hasn't patched the game in almost a year at present.
sure he has "developer streams" for the game, but it's really him just fumbling with code for maybe 2-3 hours before screwing around for the next 10-14 hours playing games and doing other things.
the 2-3 hours he "developer streams" he constantly gets sidetracked by TTS and other things instead of focusing on his supposed "passion project" and he will likely refuse to admit that he is over it and got his bag finally. He won't finish the game, if he does, he will slap a fresh "out of early access" release on steam and likely not finish the last 3rd of the game he has been "trying" to finish for the last 4-5 years.
his time working at blizzard was basically just IT security guy. he was nepo babied into that position, his dad was head of the cinematic team. he did not work on game development in blizzard. he may have some actual coding knowledge, but he is not an actual game developer.
The irony is that this is far and away the most nuanced, thoughtful, reasonable, and above all *fair* assessments of the situation and Pirate will immediately disregard it because his position as a former Blizzard employee and self-professed WoW expert will not allow his ego to be damaged.
Do you see my mana?
and your the reason this is such a problem. Your being a parrot @Duskets. Your just parrotting and repeating what other people are saying. So all of this hate and negativity is just because piratesoftware has a big ego and didnt admit his mistake? kind of fucked if you ask me. Everyone in the youtube comments are now repeating the same thing about piratesoftwares ego and this is why he deservess all of this internet hate raiding,
@@JackJackKcajify When you act like you are high and mighty and better than other people and then fall from grace and show your true colors you better believe the people you burned and the people you insulted along the way are gonna come out of the woodwork against you. Who knows how many people this guy has been abusive towards or how many other situations he tried to manipulate? His entire platform is showing off how superior his thinking is and how he is an expert about this and that and the other thing. He got caught in a bad situation and tried to gaslight his way out of it.
@ yes the internet is farming Pirate, true. But Pirate did it to himself
@@JackJackKcajify Yes, that is quite literally it and the evolution of this whole incident from a non-issue into the talked about situation it has become is entirely a result of his ego. *This whole spectacle is of Pirate's own making.* Literally nobody would have cared if he just said "hey that's my bad I didn't realize I had the materials to try harder in saving them in the heat of the moment." People make mistakes.
But he cannot admit that because he has spent so long building himself up as this Mage expert who performs under pressure and can rise to the occasion. When you talk yourself up that high you cannot come back down. Worse yet, he then doubled down by saying that he couldn't allow himself to be sacrificed because he was the guild's enchanter, alluding to the idea that his life was more valuable than theirs. And then there's the VODs of him passive aggressively talking down to Lacari who admits that he is new to the game and still trying to learn. Or the VODs of him blaming his Ashes of Creation team for a wipe only to have it revealed that he caused the wipe, and instead of admitting he was wrong he immediately spins it as a situation that was not his fault. I seriously would not be surprised if there is some degree of narcissistic personality disorder.
People aren't upset at this guy because of the deaths. They're upset at him because a grown man well into adulthood *should* have the ability to admit when they are wrong or made a mistake, and yet he keeps saying otherwise. It’s indicative of a serious character flaw and it makes people *really* not want to be around you.
Never tried to directly contact him, but lets be honest, he's not a victim of a hate campaign, he's a victim of his own big mouth and ego and lies and we all know how the internet treats hypocritical self pro-claimed saints, the internet is not a corporate safe space where people will not call out your stuff and hold your responsible for the sake of social appearance.
Grubby deserves many more viewers.
No he doesnt. Starving abused children deserves attention. Not a streamer who does nothing for society other than leech.
Learn some empathy and be better.
@abbemartensson3850 My oh my, you live on the high and mighty road to valhalla
@@abbemartensson3850 then why are you here giving attention to him? There are programs to volunteer in those poor countries, surely you've signed up and will sell all your tech to go give them much needed attention and help, like you claim is your values.
@ it showed up on my recommended and I decided to watch a little and comment on it.
Am I not allowed to do that? Are you the dictator of Grubbys comments? Does other peoples opinions that are different from yours cause you to feel anger?
Be better.
Delete all your social media and give your life to help starving children in struggling countries.
Be better.
It's such a stupid nothingburger comment, what's your point? Yes, the world is horrible, but people can and should still care about unimportant things, or you will go insane.
@@abbemartensson3850
the 200iq take... he wasn't lying, he was literally incapable of helping because he is bad
And if only he woulda just said that 😂
That's possible but I think he's just a POS troll masquerading as a nice guy. I personally believe he played like shit on purpose. He has a long history of being a troll. which is fine but hea hypocritical man child when he even gets the lightest pushback.
and his ego is too big to just admit that. He'd rather fight the entire world than just admit he's bad.
Your parents/guardians raised you right Mr Grubby, credit to them. You have a wonderful way of, not only seeing things, but articulating them. Thank you!
This a little funny because grubby often says that he wasn't raised that well and that he had to learn almost all social and emotional intelligence based things on his own later in his life lmao - he can correct me on this, of course
@@Corrupted Ah interesting, credit to the G man then!
Yes, what a gentleman.
pirate the kinda guy at blizz who would steal a certain kind of milk...
giving a second chance to a pathological liar is essentially enabling that behavior to perpetuate
i said pathological liar because of the "keeps lying about little things"
He doesn't deserve threats, those people are disgusting but he 100% deserved the hate he got. You can't cultivate this golden boy persona that can't do no wrong, constantly have to be right, talk down to others than get yourself in this situation where he 100% got tilted with the group and intentionally burned his mana to not help them. Gaslight, lie and deflect all blame without angering so many people. You can't double down, tripple down, quadruple down and not anger people who know your wrong. The gaslighting alone is annoying. Hopefully now that he's out of the group, is doing is own thing that this can all dial down for him but I'm 90% sure he learned nothing from this which is a shame.
Genuinely think if he stuck to his guns, refused to take any responsibility and just didn't talk about it after he wouldn't have gotten kicked.
I think the main issue was he told a small lie to cover his bad gameplay and when called out on that lie he told another and another and another until eventually the situation moved away from the dungeon completely
He was always going to be known as a roach for this and his ego couldn't take it. He had to try and defend himself looool
If he just either took the criticism better or ignored the whole thing he'd have been fine. But sadly it seems like his ego got in the way and it escalated to the point where he started lumping the gentile corrections with the deranged haters. It's been sad to watch.
@@gamma00crucis and now instead he's known as the guy who's pretty much the exact opposite to the persona he's been cultivating in his shorts. Just the fact that this is how he prioritizes things already makes it almost impossible to take him seriously anymore.
I was gonna leave a better comment but i had no mana, what do you want me to do?
use ur mana gem brah, and maybe ur robes
It's nice to hear the full story from an honest person, so many people are gaslighting by saying he was kicked just because he screwed up in the dungeon and the gm is overreacting. When in reality it had FAR more to do with his reactions afterwards and his complete unwillingness to take any responsibility for his actions or apologize.
There is more to it, than that. The situation was aggravated when Soda pretty much asked for a public apology, which most likely came down to Yama crying to Soda about it. I am basing that last part on how Yama did go to other streamer's to contest the conclusion that Yama did not agree with. And to be fair, Pirate did already conceded that mistakes were make on everyone, it is in the stream clips.
@@michaeldavis4980 You do realize that saying "oh everyone made mistakes" is not taking any accountability right? It shows how difficult it is for him to say "I fucked up", absolutely refuses to admit that he actually fucked up. And you know what, every time someone doubles down like this, for most people the bar for the apology goes higher.
Everyone else immediately admitted that they fucked up. Everyone but Pirate.
And I know for a fanboy its difficult to understand, it was not him playing bad that is the problem. I will repeat this. It is not being bad at the game that is the problem.
It is his behavior towards the rest of the team, and towards other guild members.
@ You really cannot construct an argument without an attack? That makes your entire statement moot. And the truth is, there is fault that goes to all the group members, with exception of the healer. But in the healer's case it can be argued that their mistake was stopping to heal, when the call was already made to RUN RUN RUN.
@ To pewpin1039: You really cannot construct an argument without an attack? That makes your entire statement moot. And the truth is, there is fault that goes to all the group members, with exception of the healer. But in the healer's case it can be argued that their mistake was stopping to heal, when the call was already made to RUN RUN RUN.
@@pewpin1039 everyone means everyone lil bro, your entire comment is worthless and contradictory
Tyler 1 famous meme quote would suit this situation so much:
"YOU HAVE NO MANA!"
Yep, thats a kind of person that never admit doing something wrong. Its sad.
When your mistakes are because you suck, that's ok.
When your mistakes are because you are selfish, that's not ok.
I'm sorry, guys, my ego is too big and my hide is too valuable.
Did you know he worked at Blizzard?
@@YukiGibson his dad did too!
Best video on the situation I've seen.
Like you said in your video and like a lot of people pointed out by now: This drama is not about the game itself, but about a narcissist who publicly shows his unwillingness to account for his own mistakes and trying to deflect the blame on everyone else. This kind of behaviour is infuriating.
And Pirate himself did realize that he talked/lied himself into a corner, which you can actually see when watching from 10:00 onwards, as you point out in your video. He was quickly moving his cursor in the direction of the mana gem, which he at that moment realized he forgot to use (same with the mana robe I guess) and his brains initial, instinctive reaction was to use it now. But then he realized what he was saying ("nothing I could have done, look at my low mana") and instantly moved the mouse away from it and actually uses mana on Ice Barrier, although he was in no danger at all in that moment, just so he can say that he's oom. He said/did all this just because his narcissistic brain doesn't want to admit a mistake. This scene alone tells you everything you need to know about Pirates character. And this is just one aspect of the whole situation, his intentional use of the 1-HP-Overlay and his shittalking other mages/players and everything else he said/did in his narcissism was just piling up and now its all coming down on him, rightfully so.
Pirate is constantly talking out of his ass and this time it caught up to him. In an older clip, when playing Ashes of Creation, he said to another player that "if you are being a bitch then people will come down on you". Pirate Software is a clown and I lost all respect for him.
Pirate's massive ego wouldn't let him admit that he could have done more to help, and then the internet went WAY overboard with the backlash.
Pirate has always been egotistical and selfish, you could see so by his denial of nepotism at blizzard, his threats of reporting his guildmates for harassment for calling him out (before he was even kicked), and his blind unwavering belief in his opinions as if he's always the smartest in the room.
This type of reaction is exactly his M.O.
But obviously death threats over games guys? That's pathetic
I never believe, when someone claims they got sent death threats. First of all, I was told so many times to off myself, that it made me numb for shit like that. Second of all, they almost NEVER show proof. It's incredibly easy to lie in order to gain sympathy, death threats are an obvious evil, but as with everything, I will believe it when I see it.
@@TheHalogen131 "death threat" is the ult of deflect and hiding behind tactic. "i did nothing wrong, see all these death threats i get"
@@TheHalogen131even when they do provide proof, like in his case only One screenshot of a whisper (one despite "countless threats") it's just as easy to set alts with generative/copy-pasted text, ask trustworthy followers/mods to fabricate said threats. All for the sake of putting up a shield to damage control and gaslight potential harassers.
the ultimate dispel, 'my bad'
The person getting deaththreats: "Please stop, or I will report it as ToS."
People, stirring the pot: "I feel uncomfortable."
Lol, who cares. 1 HP macro is the real villain.
Wow, I’m really impressed by your level of articulation, self reflection and patience that you demonstrate in analyzing this situation.
There’s a lot of layers to this drama. But in the end it just came down to pirates constant lying, deflecting, hypocrisy and inability to drop his ego that fed into this and made it way bigger then it should have been.
Here’s hoping he eventually learns from this and does better
Excellent summation of the entire ordeal. Also 21:20 "My dad works at xbox" moment LOL
Regardless of Pirate's character, which seems more than questionable at this point, there are nowhere near enough people talking about how gross Yamato is as a person in this scenario. No one really talks about how Yamato did basically nothing during the incident, either. No one talks about how he seems to have spent the next couple hours, at least, going around to whoever would listen across OnlyFangs and UA-cam to try and minimize his role in the incident up against Pirate at every turn. He comes off as such a weasel. That, coupled with how the video game drama was content farmed by so many UA-camrs, exposing so many more terminally online sociopaths to the situation really blew the situation up. What a stink over something every single one of them signed up for as a possibility when they decided to play Hardcore WoW.
Pirate acted how Onlyfangs members are told to act in a non-onlyfangs group. I am very disappointed in how Pirate acted after the fact... should have just admitted he made mistakes.
Thing is he admitted it. During the talk with Tyler he admitted his mistakes, just not the words people want. Oh and Yamato successfully triggered him and put blame to him for his own fuck up.
@@kaly8329 no he didn't. Saying everyone could have done better is NOT taking accountability, Grubby talked about it too and already destroyed that silly argument, idk why you try to even bring it up.
@@Some_Dood thats because youre all looking for the magic words "my bad", everyone messed up is still the same thing. Heck I could say even grubby was abit biased on the take. Its just a more neutral answer because unlike Yamato that kept pushing the blame to him, he put the blame on all of them that played bad(typical corpo answer if youd look at it more).
If theres one thing thats 100% on him is that on the first pull he messed up and didnt even say anything about it.
But lets be honest its not really the poor play everyones ganging up on him now. But his triggered response.
You have a lot of empathy for someone that has none themselves. It's beyond a joke at this point how many pirate clips aged like milk. The inability to have any amount of accountability outside of "everyone made mistakes" and the constant doubling > tripling > quadrupling down??? It's all worrying signs that he needs to get a therapist and work on his mental character. I'm not even trying to make a joke. The streaming spotlight and social media clout has given him an ego the size you rarely see, he is bordering on main-character syndrome levels of delusion.
It's incredibly validating to see someone extremely cool-headed and fair state directly that when someone consistently sprinkles little lies, twists, and mischaracterizations in seemingly everything they say and do, that *it is irritating.*
If Yamato didn't instantly try to make it all about Pirate, I don't think Pirate would've taken such a strong stance. But he came off *in the moment* instantly blaming Pirate, then his community hate raiding Pirate, and then dragging Pirate into a call with Tyler1 to then hate blame him again - We are all human... Pirate doesn't want to say anything that makes him the individual to blame, so no "My bads," or "I could've", he will only speak in "We." Which makes sense, if you've studied human psychology.
Also everyone just ignores that Yamato is blaming him while Yamato himself was biting his arm instead of doing useful stuff either. Yamato was the hurt dog who barked at him. After that pirate reacted defensive and handled the whole situation bad.
Nooo that’s a cop out. All he said was _”bro where are you going? This is salvageable, come on”_ - that is totally reasonable especially given the fact he’s watching his friends die in slow motion.. but pirate just kept running saying _“what do you want me to do about it?”_
Then Yamato replied _”I dunno frostnova, something!”_ - again, totally rational. Actually instructive and very reasonable thing to ask from your mage.
Pirate actually threw the first sassy comment back.
The normal, rational response is _“Oh I thought you said run, I thought we were running.”_
_“What do you want me to do about it?”_ Is objectively sassy.
Yamatos question was totally valid. Where _was_ he going? A frostnova _would_ have been perfect.
Pirate got offended for being caught roaching red handed, threw sass at Yamato and THEN yamato started antagonising him about the cost of frostnova.
He was also very disingenuous about stop killing games.
In one moment talking about how important multiplayer games are, but is also dismissive of offline patches to persevere multiplayer games.
He’s not someone who’s fully on the bored.
Harmful opinions did a good video on Pirates very bad coverage.
He is the definition of a narcissist
Drama is cool. Really brings back the feelings of the good 'ol days where people actually talked to eachother. Retail now is really missing the social aspect and so it's really cool to see that it's still alive in classic. If you're reading this, I hope you, regardless of which side you're on or how extreme you are, have a ton of a fun in this wonderful little bit of WoW's history!
I think his so-called fame is getting to his head that he should always be right and will never take accountability. Just take for example how he reacted when Vedal and Neuro broke the HypeTrain subathon record. Granted some people will call this "banter" between "friends", notice how many other people saw that as "wtf is wrong with him? can't he let vedal and co. enjoy?". Nope, he dislikes it. You might want to show some friends who are gamers or not preferably, the clip of the drama for WoW concerning Thor, which i did to some of mine, who don't play at all and they said the same thing, "It seems like this guy doesn't take responsibility and always thinks he's right", "he has this condescending tone or allure when talking to people, but he tries to hide it with good wording". Thing is, the guy is like that irl too but is good at hiding it although it seems to be getting out more often now. Btw for context, check some of the clips and videos for Ashes of Creation and how he reacts to rivalry on the server, and this was before the WoW drama. Last i saw, he was copyright striking people who are sharing a clip of him wiping his raid in AoC and he had a meltdown because he didn't again take accountability.
27:07 if you actually look at the footage you can see that it is true. The tank pulls a pack on the ramp, then another pack adds that sits at the base of said ramp, and then the boss adds as well in the end. The tank even says "we got two".
Nobody “pulled” the boss. The boss was always going that way, he turns and patrols *up* that ramp. They were fighting on his patrol route.
It wasn’t a player that pulled him, he walked into range of the fight and was pulled into combat by being in proximity to other mobs that were in combat.
They only _pulled_ the pack with the caster and then the pack at the base of the ramp.
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions...
Really love hearing your perspectives Grubby. I had not seen your streams before hardcore, but I am really glad it introduced me to you.
if anything this just makes me never want to play hardcore wow
wow is a 20 year old dead game... hardcore is the only way to get views to play an old game. OF is a content guild, nobody really cares about wow classic achievements. this aint a competitive raiding guild....... where pirate would never be allowed to join group.
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Lol youre a loser, this actually makes me want to get back into it. You should definitely stick to mario party.
@@GreenBeanGreenBean It's not dead just completely solved, most people playing it nowadays are playing for nostalgic reasons + there hasn't been any new game released that does WoW but better.
Grubbys got a whole doom style map prepared! I love it lol
yea, a commenter was attacking him for making it, I don't see a problem with it
people make diagrams all the time to analyze stuff, to communicate stuff to viewers
I was hoping for a custom map in Wacraft 3.
You gotta understand, when someone shows their true colors like that it calls into question their overall character. Yes, it's just a game in the sense that 'it happened in a video game' but it's the behavior that casts a shadow over everything else. If he's willing to abandon his friends so quickly and remorselessly people are going to wonder what else he'll do in a more serious situation. At the end of the day what he really did was sacrifice others for personal gain/preservation.
That seinfeld meme where george pushes everyone to escape the fire is apt. If you are that blatantly selfish and indignant then, well, you reap what you sow as they say.
This is the best breakdown of the situation available. No accusations, no bullying, just facts. It's a super unfortunate situation. Everyone is wrong in this. Pirate should have taken accountability, the community made him a victim by bullying and threatening, making him get further defensive, and the guild was super gross in how they spoke about him and piled on. Watching the Guild meeting when he was kicked was so so so gross from people who should understand how communities can turn on them.
I've been an instant fan of you Grubby ever since you started playing Dota. I loved watching you wreck havoc with Naga Siren. I was hoping every time you qued that Naga was picked. Then seeing you getting stomped (sometimes) in the landing phase all until the beast, the destroyer, the asbolut king og micro got released into the jungle. Man I never get tired of watching that!
I learned that you are one of, if not the most reflected person I've ever seen. You deserve so much praise for your behavior and relaxed persona. All in all and really nice guy! Not many like you in the streaming community. You are one of my favorite streamers to this day. Keep up the good work!
I hate commenting on a smartphone, damn autocorrect xD
Everyone is acting like the Rogue didn't idle and as if the Druid didn't asspull patrols... Disgusting from OnlyFangs to put so much blame on one person when everyone else played poorly aswell.
About the entire death threats thing, it's just a convenient way to absolve any kind of accountability because now the blame dynamic has changed. This is basic 101 attacked by the media defense playbook.
Death threats were real, lots of you sweaty nerds feel some type of way about it and mob mentality makes you feel invincible.
I dunno if it gets mentioned, But one of the things that rubs me VERY wrong about this whole thing is that Pirate adamantly insisted he had NO mana for like 3 straight days, Doubling, tripling, quadrupling, quintupling down and not once addressing the mana gem or robe despite everyone bringing it up (and banning thousands over bringing it up), And then he finally addresses their existence, but it's to say "I didn't feel I could do anything with the resources I had at my disposal". Which is a funny way of saying, yet again, "I had no mana".
And that's before mentioning the max rank blizzard he wasted nearly entirely- He started casting then cancelled after like a second before turning around and booking it. He could've done so many other things there, but he did the one thing that would nuke the remainder of his mana before running. And later makes the deliberate choice to not use his robe or gem, and instead cast a frost barrier and blinked away again which drained his somewhat regenerated mana (while he's nowhere near any enemies, mind you.)
Every time he talks about mana in that clip, It's IMMEDIATELY or shortly after draining his mana back down to near 0 with some spell,
10:15 Blinks, back to 0, "What are you talking about why am I walking? Look at my mana. Do you see my mana? What am I supposed to do for you?" ; Had he simply turned around here and waited a few seconds, he would've had enough mana for rank 1 frost nova or blizzard even without gem/robe, He would've saved the priest. who died.
11:00 Stops, turns around, Almost clicks ruby, Ponders for a few seconds, doesn't, OOMs himself, Again, with a barrier.
You cut it off just before, but, He then runs a few feet towards the group, Stops, turns around and runs again and says something about evocation being on cooldown while blinking away his mana AGAIN. He was halfway to the group with the mana at his fingertips for frost nova or rank 1 blizz. At this point, had he engaged, he could've saved the druid that died.
Like, Jesus. He could've had like 4-5k mana between all the mana wasted on casting useless spells (blinking even further away when already WELL out of range, frost barrier with no enemies near, gem, robe, max level blizzards cast and then cancelled)... But even before that, even with "no mana" he could've been casting cheap CC spells to aid the retreat here and there, from a very safe distance, without ever being at risk himself. Because mage, ESPECIALLY frost mage, is THE survival class that can save messy situations better than any other. They can CC applicable targets for days and just kite them without ever getting in range when done well. He was never in any meaningful danger despite being 1hp, Because with rank 1 spells he wouldn't have pulled aggro off the tank, and that trash has no AOE damage, AND he was far ahead of the group in the least vulnerable position. If he just stopped and came back right at the start, they could've cleaned up everything just fine, Or at least retreated together safely.
TL;DR: Even. Without. The gem or robe... Even after all his wasting mana... He could have saved both of them with a few cheap spells cast from a safe distance posing no risk to himself. He chose, Deliberately CHOSE, not to do so. Multiple times throughout that scenario, He stopped, thought about it, decided "Nah", and left. He chose himself, Not the team. Deliberately. It was not a 'mistake', It was a calculated decision. And he won't admit to that deliberacy. He's doubled down, over and over, Changing goal posts and reasons and defenses trying to dodge away from all the blame. And that is why everyone is upset with him.
27:30 regarding "used resources poorly", Yes, That IS the first time he admitted to it. But, You have to understand, that admission is in the context of "We entered that boss fight and I used my resources poorly", He STILL has not admitted to his poor or non-use of resources during the retreat phase of the incident. He just admits he burnt too much mana before the run call while simultaneously trying to wean some sympathy by exaggerating how bad off he was when the fight was engaged (40% mana, his mana was higher, etc)
28:25 "Deflect away from the malice allegations", See above. He has not admitted to his misuse After the run call.. Just before it. IMO, as outlined in the original comment I keep replying to, The actions during the retreat were deliberate. He was so far out of danger that there is no way they WERENT deliberate. He literally stops and thinks about his actions more than once, while so far away from danger that he could just walk the rest of the way out without casting another spell, then doubles down on spending mana to seem like he has no mana. Can we prove it was 'Malicious'? Perhaps not. But deliberate? I think that's a fair call to make, Seeing how he stops, thinks, and makes a decision to continue retreating and expending mana on purpose while doing so, not once, but twice, while under no duress or threat from an enemy.
Came to add one additional note, Something I noticed seeing the POV's from the other players... Apparently the 1hp thing on Pirate's stream is an overlay- Something he does/was doing as a meme. He wasn't at 1hp, He was at 100% HP the entire time, not even 1 hp missing. So it's not like he was even at risk of being one tapped if he stayed back with the group to support them. That makes all of the above even more inexcusable, imo.
Grubby you have been an amazing watch man, deff one of the brightest gems to come out of only fangs. The analytical way you approach things has been a treat to see, not to mention the just good vibes you exude whenever you are in a group or in vids. Excellent form.
Never did I expect to grab a mug and tune in to an RTS Legend give their two cents on the latest saucy gamer gossip. 2025 is interesting.
That last clip was so fking funny, the fact he desperately tries to dps and then after just sits there got me so hard, I can imagine he felt so bad. But about pirate and the situation I think the reason he didn't really respond to the stay and fight call was it wasn't the clearest call "this is salvageable" isn't like "stay and fight, we can win, don't run" After calling "run run run run" if I was making a call to do the complete opposite in any game I would be loud and clear.
IT was also RIGHT after he was calling him out/having ago at pirate saying/asking why he is running, when in pirates mind he makes perfect sense to be doing it at that time as the first time anyone said anything about staying and fighting was after this (of course I think it makes more sense to stay somewhat near to the team trying to peel/slow to help) and it looks like pirate then realises that the call to stay and fight was OR might of been made, again wasn't the clearest, that's when you see him turning around and getting ready to go back in, to me it also looked like when he realised he had the mana crystal (he hovers over/near it) then they say run again and to me personally when he does like a little laugh and runs out, it seems like he is thinking that this is just a shit show that's all over the place and doesn't want to get involved.
It felt like at first he was just being defensive after basically being blamed for everything, I think yamato was acting/talking like a bit of a dick to be honest and felt like he was blaming pirate for the whole thing EVEN before the first person even died, while watching his pov he did nothing, even less then pirate in the situation, I don't think he should be getting off scot free because instead of running he just stood close by watching his team get bent over lmao. But it continued for multiple days which is so weird and crazy to me that I don't understand and escalated so much.
One thing I'm still unsure of is if its lies or just being wrong, as when he says he couldn't of done anything more or other things like that, its only a lie IF he knows he could have done more but doesn't want to admit it, and watching him play a bit i didn't know weather he was good enough to know to be honest, seems like anyone who has played that long should know, but ive met plenty of people who prove otherwise.
Great video, well covered, I love the drawing showing what happened and how, the timeline of events, a very fair and reasonable take on the situation.
Basically this. ^^
People piss and whine and bitch and moan for minutes to hours about how bad pirate was in this situation for not doing MORE when he was LOW (technically not out, but it's easy to forget things in a panic) on resources, yet the person that blamed him cast literally exactly 1 spell the entire time, which had zero effect, and he had literally full health full energy and EVERY cooldown available. He had everything he could ever want/use and used 1 ability that had no effect, CC or Damage. And it's not his fault for panicking and doing nothing. Nor is it pirate's.
Well then they go "well, it was his ATTITUDE! Not accepting responsibility!" or "Attitude" As if that same rogue that did literally 0 once the pull went bad isn't also the rogue that called the "run run run run run run run run!!" then couldn't decide between running and "salvaging" without saying "turn and fight", who outright blamed pirate entirely and when told something he objectively did wrong (calling a run then going back on that in a guild where the rules were literally "run means every man for himself run", said "I'm not the shotcaller, I'm a noob" despite literally having been calling the shots. Man, sounds like not accepting responsibility. And that's not to mention that the druid was the one who pulled, and the tank was the one who's route made the mistake a possibility.
So basically, no matter where in the pull you think the fault actually happened, pirate isn't the most at fault. Before the pull? Tank. Pulling? Druid. During the pull for not doing anything? Rogue. Not accepting responsibility? Rogue.
It's a hilarious passing of the buck witchhunt that I can only assume actually worked because the rogue started assigning blame first. And just to be clear, I don't think the rogues at blame for doing nothing. People panic. I'm hesitant to assign full blame for the horrific calls. I think the group waiting around for EIGHT SECONDS (I counted) for the mobs to catch up with them is at fault, and so whoever's actions you think led to that (the tank's movement and body language, the rogue's calls, etc), that's who I assign the blame. And whoever that is... That's fine, shit happens.
This whole event has been the most childish, facts be damned we just hate you mob I've ever seen. I can only assume it's similar to the MrBeast thing where when someone is popular, they have a ton of haters, so as soon as there's any straw to pull at to have a "reason" to hate them it's jumped on, facts be damned.
Indeed, even though PS personality got the best out of him in the end, I (having also a huge ego) would also be pissed AF is everyone was just looking at me and not that imbecile kid of Yamato, who didnt do whack when they were "salvaging it" and just casted the best missdirect in wow history.
@@KeMeEscupaUnPollo Because Yamato actually apologized right after to both people who died, and specifically said sorry to the priest and that his call for going back and heal the tank killed him. That's literally the difference of taking accountability.
Also, Yamato is a wow first timer who panicked, and Pirate a wow 15+ years vet who actually judged and shit talk others mage player for being "bad" while they were newbies. Yes Yamato could have done more. But he has no ego on wow - himself said he's bad.
Do you see the difference? A noob, doing noob mistakes and owning up to it versus a wow vet with big ego, intentionally not helping and letting his team die while judging others noob mages saying how it makes him ill to watch them play. Like wtf? Why on earth would you put them on the same level?
@@Some_Dood Because he is the one who started pointing fingers, thats the easiest thing to do.
@@Some_Dood Well yeah my guy it was HIS bad call not Pirates. Why on earth should pirate have apologized because someone else is a bad leader and communicator? No sane person would apologize in that situation. You don't call to run as a leader and then yell at the guy that ran like he was told, and say nothing to your bumbling group of idiots that pulled an entire train onto the party.
Honestly I think yamato blew it way out of proportion initially and seemed to want to pin the blame solely on pirate so pirate decided to just sink with the ship. Yamato did later say they all made mistakes but it seemed to be way later. I don't think pirate handled it well either since I personally wouldn't run completely like he did, but I can understand his decision also.
Pirate handled it perfectly, there is no point of wasting time on people who doen't understand game mechanics AND don't want to accept critics. Rogue and druid are ruiners.
You can see this in any team based games.
@@gendalfgray7889 Right?? Maldavius Figtree is practically a SAINT, people just don't get it!
NEVER at fault, he is always 100% correct. 7 year gifted QA tester at Blizzard (don't ask about his father, or what nepotism means, or when loot is generated in WoW, or...). They solve puzzles in that house. Never ever ever faked blind playthroughs (he just understood the vibes of Outer Wilds' puzzles and such a basic game as Animal Well would never surpise him). Certified Game Developer™ (Don't dare question why after >6 years his game still is in early access and he spends his time streaming playing instead of coding). Would never even consider copyright striking criticism or documenting of his past. 0 knowledge about audio (he physically cannot bass boost his microphone to sound deeper). Incapable of being aroused by an animal (in minecraft). Complete solo player, he couldn't even dream of having people to lead zergs with in PvP after being outskilled. Such a selfless hero I bet he supports the 'Stop Destroying Videogames' initiative. Sound proofed his room to avoid any echo chambers.
All this karma shitfest because the narcissist egomaniac couldn't even PRETEND to be sorry 1 (one) single time, and now everyone gets to know the real Maldavius Figtree. He ran out of mana in real life.
But then again, I'm not a game dev nor have I worked at Blizzard for 7 years so what do I know? :^)
"If you know you're correct, stand your ground" - the problem is he doesn't seem to be able to admit when he is wrong.
1. anyone who is upset by this outcome is taking playing games way too serious, thats on them.
2. deaths in hardcore, no matter what level of play, are part of the regular experience. There is no controversy. Everyone knows what they are signing up to, including sub optimal play by the players you are playing with. NOBODY plays perfectly 24/7.
3. I've played WoW for 2 decades, even in non-hardcore, the moment anyone says RUN, all bets are off, it's a "save your self at all costs" call. There is no ambiguity about this. Also, calling RUN is a last ditch effort as it ALWAYS causes chaos. Never an exception. You don't call run and then change your mind afterwards. I've seen this so many times in 20 years that the outcome was absolutely predictable the moment they said the word. Anyone suggesting that there was some obligation after that call doesn't understand the game or its culture.
4. I forgive Grubby for not understanding number 3 since he hasn't been playing the game for half his life.
5. I'm sure the drama this caused is generating tons of revenue from views. Nobody is really upset about it.
pirate is a scumbag. no need to find him excuses.
im still 100% in the opinion that they woudnt have died if the druid just didnt asspull 3 diffrent packs, he died to a frost bolt from a pack he asspulled, not much pirate could have done for that one
Oh and Yamato didnt stun or try to help either, he just ran closer to the group hovering vanish himself, just shifting blame
Yamato is the hurt dog who barks. Misdirecting from him shouting nonsense and doing nothing to someone else.
With respect I think your first take on the situation was the best unbiased opinion. There is the human element that you are forgetting, and I feel you fell victim to that as well. With respect of you talking about how it is interpreted by Pirate attacking everyone in the guild as a whole, including yourself, which I would feel the same. Part of the same human element is Yama's conduct after it concluded. Considering that he (Yama) went to other streamer's channels to argue the conclusion that the other streamer came up with, the tank was the first one to screw up. Because of that, it can be safely concluded behind the scenes Yama was crying to as many people that would listen, and Soda allowed it to go on and aggravated the situation by trying to get a public apology from Pirate. But in the end you are correct it didn't have to happen, and Pirate just had to say what you said (retro spec there was more I could have done, my mind just shut his voice out, etc.) but it also could have stopped at any point before that.
that countertrike clip was pure comedy:D glad you were able to laugh at your own mistake
Honestly I find this situation kind of weird because there are dozens of videos trying to analyze PirateSoftware's gameplay but no one makes a deepdive on how the others played, especially on Yamato. From the moment he calls "run run run run run" he uses no more skills, instead he just yells at people and immediately pins the blame on Pirate before anything ever happened.
Someone said that Pirate isn't a Mage but a glorified Shadow Priest, If that's true then Yamato isn't a Rogue but a glorified Cameraman. Once you realize this you can quickly notice that he just fakes caring about everyone else "Ozy are you okay", he is literally watching him, there is nothing happening at that point. They use a dummy which distracts the mobs and that's the perfect opportunity to hit tail and get out of the dungeon (it's close to the entrance), but instead Yamato calls people back. However he himself doesn't hit the mobs, but positions himself at every moment as someone filming a movie and doesn't lift a finger to help. Just like a party magician performing a trick to the audience he weaved the blame on Pirate and everyone bought on it. He had all the tools to help just as much and they had plenty of time to run and survive. As much as pirate was a terrible mage, all the deaths are on Yamato for creating the chaos that ensued. If you check Pirate's VODs you can see that he previously did the same dungeon with a different party and there were no hurdles, they even used the aggro resets, cleared the deadly packs and he played his mage role perfectly.
because everyone know yamato is a newb and is bad at the game, Jason-Maldavius-PirateSoftware boasted all this time how good of a mage he is, how he perfectly crafted his build for exactly THIS situation and at the 1st opportunity he RUNS like a cowardly roach. and before that he shittalked other mages in the guild for "being bad' or "using bad build".
its a different between newbies being newbies and elitistic narcissist screwing up and not even apologizing. he is a lying egoist with a fake persona, thats main problem.
Pirates mistake was to be in a group with Yamato. The guy who reflects critic on his failure with "but I'm a noob" while shifting blame on him.
@@Some-robot-guy his mistake was being moronic egoistic narcissist and becoming lolcow.
One thing I feel, too many ignore is just how deadly some of the mobs are in this dungeon. I have been one hit by the brutes on a hunter, while the tank is supposed to have aggro. I have done this dungeon solo as a hunter so many times, that I won't blame someone for not going into a pack to frost nova mobs to save others in HC. Yes he could have used a rank 1 blizzard. But when you have played retail for so many years, and you go to classic, you will forget that ranked spells are a thing, especially in high stress situations like this.
Also saying that you couldn't do any more while still being stressed about the situation, is understandable. Also he is saying that he didn't feel like he could help anyone. Yes objectively he could have. But that's not what he is saying, he is pointing to his subjective opinion. For example, I could probably do AOE farming in HC, that is an objective statement, but I don't feel like I could do that.
I haven't seen a direct provable lie from Pirate. Most of it is him thinking he is around 40% mana when he was at 60%. But all that might mean is that he didn't pay attention to his mana as much as he should have. Language is important. When someone says something, you cant read meanings that might not be there in the first place.
Also you say that its a mages job to bail other people out when they make a mistake. I disagree, It something a mage can do if skilled enough but its not their job. It would mean the sole responsibility for the survival of the group is on the mage. The vast majority of players cant do these plays in high risk situations. These types of things are stuff you learn if you do stuff like AOE farming or soloing dungeons. Not regular gameplay. I think Pirate is just an average player. Most of the ones I have seen talk about this stuff are higher skilled players. Also grubby is better than most players by far. If you are good at one game you will be able to get good at another game fast.
None of that matters. The gameplay does not matter. At any point he literally should've just said sorry.
Just watch how pirate acted in Ashes of Creation, he has severe main character syndrome, which is hilarious because he also acts like a super villain with his little minions.
I would like to thank Grubby once again, for being so down to earth. It is amazing quality. Dont lose it, please!
I hope that more people will learn from your actions and way of thinking. Cheers!
The only problem with Grubby's take its that he is too nice and believe people are good.
The bans were probably more about spamming chat during a time where everyone knows he is being harassed (This doesn't count as sharing your opinion, it's dogpiling and ruining his stream, the fact it's 10,000 accounts is probably evidence of that alone but he did make it sound more serious than that). I'd also preference him saying bad things about the guild doesn't extend to every single person, i think it was stupid for him to say things about the guild but i've seen many takes just berating pirate while he's experiencing a good amount of abuse so he can feel negatively about that.
I might be completely wrong but i think Yamato got to pirate and he shut down. He knows how to save everyone, i'd imagine he'd have done more. I think he got annoyed, dropped the ball and then listened to Yamato afterwards just blame him. I dont think pirate even had proper time to say he messed up before they were turning it on him, was never about accountability was about blame.
No
It did have to go down like this. Its the only way it could have gone down with pirates ego
I think the people who criticise Pirate just don't know that not just him but also his father worked at Blizzard. He should mention that
Always appreciate your mature and level headed approach to things.
Grubby has a very cool demeanor. I love how he's able to analyze the situation objectively without bias. I agree with him here 100%. It's nice to have conversations like this to improve our interpersonal relationships and understand how somebody's actions can affect another. In the long run, we're all in this together and wow is a game that requires teamwork and cooperation. There's nothing wrong with panicking or making mistakes, it's not about that, but how you move on from the situation, hash things out and bury the hatchet. A simple apology or an "I was wrong" can go a long way and IMO it does speak volumes about one's character.
Everytime ive seen someone kicked from a guild cause they didnt vibe with the rest, it made sense, always been a good call
Only person who played well is the priest, everyone else shit the bed
Priest died. Stop parroting that they did well. LoF and an non-channel heals and they would have made it out. Everyone in that group was a tard.
Not really. The priest committed which was friendly. But standing still for 3 heals and letting ogres run past him was bad positioning. Sacraficing your own character is respectable but isn't good gamplay.
Never liked Thor. You can see this type of thing coming a mile away and Im glad everyone else is picking up on it now.
I've watched most takes on this drama and Grubby's takes are by far the best most levelheaded and informative.