Outriders need replacing, the kit is awful to build and not purely because it’s not multipart. At one point I was really hoping they’d do them alongside this recent Deathwing update as I thought they might do Ravenwing too :/
GW did just release a Primaris LT that has all the wargear options included. I assumed that was why all the Chapter specific LTs were dropped from Datasheets. And honestly it makes more sense to have one LT model in power armor, as it opens up space for real variants like a LT in Terminator Armor, or if/when they refresh bikes, a LT on bike. Edit: Just had a thought, I would expect a Terminator LT to be released when they release Assault Terminators.
GW need their heads examined for the glaring design oversight that means these monopose kits are so difficult to easily modify with GWs own upgrade sprues (example being the Outriders and trying to add parts from the White Scars upgrade sprue onto them).
Boy oh boy I'll be annoyed if they get rid of Outriders and ATV's without new kits first. As a White Scar, we just have those 2 mounted units left and 1 mounted char model, now they've got rid of regular bikes, scouts bikes, attack bikes, captain on bike and Khan on bike. Plus they got rid of 4 flavours of speeder. But they oddly made the Stormlance detachment all about mounted units and their enhancements have 2 for mounted characters only. We've all seen the memes - Stormlance is the Space Wolves detachment now.
I can't see GW culling the outrider squadron as a unit, moreso updating the kit. What I can see happening is the Invader ATV kit being replaced. I've seen people make primaris scale attack bikes that look better than the ATV.
Gladius Strikeforce is probably the best White Scars detachment at the minute (at least allowing for an army with a greater mix of unit variety). It's a real shame that a bike-heavy army gets such poor supporting rules.
I know it may not be the same, but i used firstborn to proxy everything. Bikers as outriders, attack bikes as atvs with MMs, robed DA vets as sternguard, inner circle companions and company heroes, tac marines with flamers and plasma as infernus and hellblasters respectively and rebased all my firstborn characters and tweaked their loadouts. Mind you, this was just a 1000 pt list worth, if i had any more DA i would be malding a bit
Probably Suppressors considering they are only a part of one combined sprue, and even in that sprue they couldn't be bothered to give 3 unique poses. Unfortunate as I really like them in concept, but I can't purchase them, nor do I want to buy a 3 man squad of only 2 monoposes.
I use the Fire-Servo turret, he's just there but he's alright, he's a very niche choice honestly. I fully expect it to be retired, but I won't be happy, he's cheap for price and points and he's good for taking out dreadnoughts.
I don't think they'll discontinue anything based on shitty rules tbh - in fact usually something being amazing is more of a sign it's for the chopping block - look at scout sniper squads in 10th, or something like Tycho (who we all know is going anyway) having surprisingly good rules. Plus if all you need to do is make better rules that's a lot cheaper than replacing the model with a new design. So I think ATVs and Outriders are staying with us for now - also the DA upgrade kit comes with some bits for outriders to make em ravenwing. That said based on your logic, if there's a set that's getting canned it's Reivers. They've sucked forever and insofar as I can tell don't really fill any proper role that something else doesn't do better. They have cool helmets and that's it. Also Suppressors. They only exist in a single ETB kit as part of the old combat patrol/vanguard task force. Everything else in there has a multipart kit already.
@@colonelturmeric558 Ha that's exactly what I'm doing with that free deathwing terminator mini of the month. Gonna convert it into a Blood Angels Terminator chaplain.
@@cfsm984 They lack power weapons. Until they can carry better melee like power swords and claws they'll remain hard to justify on a dps front. I think a upgrade kit is in order for them.
It's my head cannon that that go kart looking vehicle doesn't have differential steering. When they turn they just lean to lift the inner wheel off the ground. Space marine go kart!!!!!
I think the SM units in general that should be taken away: Whirlwind (replaced by Hammerfall) Rhino Impulsor (replace with Primaris Rhino) Predator Razorback (primaris Razorback) Vindicator (change to bigger version) Invictor warsuit Incursors (keep infiltrators) Tactical Sqaud (replaced by primaris version) have a 10 man intercessors squad Sqaud with an option of 3 different special weapons instead of the usual 2, not including the sergeant. It would be cool to have a Hellblaster, Pyroblaster and a Missile launcher marine in the same Sqaud.
@@thomasmarston7045 yeah I know but they’ll replace the impulsor eventually, especially considering it’s unpopular. I’d say for it to be replaced by a larger rhino. Maybe not a true scale rhino but hopefully bigger than the impulsor.
I was shocked when infernus marines weren’t given a multipart kit, I’m sure salamanders players are disappointed that to run 30 is to run 6 copies of 5 models
GW fazed out older sculpts of stormcast because new ones have really changed esthetically, they evolved drastically if you look closely, edition to edition they changed, they no longer match older ones. New stormcast don't look like space marines at all. the earliest primaris kits were phobos troops and they had deliberately different esthtetic from all the others and that was backed up by lore. if it were not backed up by lore I would say they would be the ones who would be fazed out first. as it stands I would say the ones for the chopping block the soonest would be regular intercessors, hellblasters, aggressors and the like. we now see the shift to more bladeguard-like marines and it feels like that's how they are supposed to be. so the first to go would be cleanly looking regular marines.
The vanguard task force is a safe bet, there’s so much duplication of kits in it. Infiltrators and eliminators both have multipart kits. Whether they retire the reaver lieutenant and make a multipart Phobos lieutenant to cover both existing lieutenant data cards is another question because the plain Phobos lieutenant only appears in this box. Suppressors don’t seem to have a good use case on the tabletop or an easily available kit outside of this box, whether they get a multipart kit with different loadouts may save or doom them.
Outriders is ok if you have only one box of them. Any more and they're meh. As for the Invictor, I don't think it's out of the question that phobos could possibly be phased out completely, considering what they did to the sacrosanct chamber of stormcast. Which sucks for ravenguard players (me lol, even though I own like one phobos kit), but I don't think anyone will miss the Invictor Edit: I saw the other guy in the comments, sorry
I quite like the Invictor. It has a role as a good forward deploy with Scout 8" and Vanguard support is pretty useful if you have phobos units in your list. Add in the Vanguard Detachment and you have a fairly thematic raven guard list with some decent punch, especially since tank shock is better for the Invictor than any of the dreadnoughts
The Hammerfall Bunker could become popular if they made as cheap as the whirlwind and given the same role as the whirlwind once they inevitably get rid of first born tanks.
Outriders + atv retire, redo them as a multilpart bike squad and a bike with sidecar based off the same base bike. Do a second techmarine with servitors and the turret Do upgrade kits with parts that turn primaris marines into older looking marines, have some mk10 armors have specific points to peg in an aquilla or a classic vox then reinforce that connection with glue. Condense the squads, merge the assault kits. Do a HH with maybe 2 base squads with slightly different armors and poses to act as tactical squads, merging the classic tac squad with the intersessors kit. Do a heavy weapons squad in the style of devastators. They could still offer squads like hellblasters and the... nerf marines for peoe who didn't want the spare part.
I have a soft spot for outriders, they are just too silly of an idea Servo turrets arent good, but gollow the same silly concept of technically having a decent damage output but no place in an army I dont want to see them go to be honest
Personally, I like some of these models and would like to get them at some point, but I'm also not a marines player so have a hard time justifying buying these if it's not for a kitbash(I play Orks). Also, while I will agree that the Warsuit is kind of just a worse Dreadnought, I've fought a few and they can do some real damage while on the field. That said, they do tend to fall apart the moment you concentrate on them at all.
I agree with everything but the tactical warsuit. It's the phobos walker and has the phobos keyword which has some utility with a phobos captain. As for visuals I like it and its cool if you don't. With the upgrade sprues im sure there will be knew ones for the divergent chapters like they did with dark angels and black templars having a larger upgrade sprue. As for the outriders and the ATV, yeah they suck. The outriders I feel should go with hover tech to match the other primaris vehicles and the ATV looks awful in my opinion and doesnt need to exist. nic vid
The content is fine, but the reasons are all off. The primaris LT will be phased out because there is a new replacement kit. Outriders are horrible to build (and I have been around since the individual track link Leman russes). I reckon possibly the hardest plastic kit I have built in 20+ years. The hammerfall bunker has seen cometitive use, but with everything else getting a lift in the codex, this has become a lesser option but still valid. ATV has good individual rules especially returning fire if outriders are targeted..... but again better options exist. Firestrike turret... I love the model.... I will run one for games, but I think its more for narrative or fun games than competitive games. However it can be firepower on a backfield objective holder and could be considered for the game. The upgrade kits are all.... average. They are a great option for a few people but not necessary and could have a lot more stuff in them like the old first born upgrade kit/dark angels veterans kit. I think it will be more upgrading kits with mk 11 armor like what they did with firstborn refreshes.
As the removed models are essentially lieutenants I’m not sure it sets a precedence yet. I do HOPE the primaris death company and upgrade sprues get replaced. But as it’s truly a terrible kit… I’m not worried until they remove a decent looking non niche kit.
Reivers, Like Reivers have no place and or play at all, I've seen 3 Invictors Lists with Iron Storm, I've seen outriders in gladius and stormlance, BUT REIVERS ARE A MYTH, they don't exist, every edition they recieve the worst fucking rules and everytime they come off as unplayable. If theres a unit to remove thats them.
I reckon Kayvaan Shrike maybe... he's an awful model, I reckon one of the worst of the early run of Primaris, he leans in to all the most cringe aspects of both the Raven Guard and the early Primaris. Also, he's from that garbage tacticool era that really didn't land for GW and consequently they're going back to a play on the old grimdark style instead. It might just be me, but I think he's easily one of the worst Primaris models and is begging to get cancelled
Maybe all of them? I'm guessing all Games Workshop games will eventually turn into something akin to tcg set rotation where you need to replace your entire army every edition.
My two cents: Aggressors no longer serve a purpose now that we have truescale terminators. Likewise, now that we're getting truescale jump pack infantry, Inceptors will probably go out the window too. Death Company will get updated when Blood Angels get their update.
Personally speaking I like Gravis more than standard Primaris and as a Salamander player Aggressors are the backbone of my army. They have an entirely different play style to Termies they are all about mass damage not mass defense
I just hate how Guilliman changed tactics and go pre heresy era unit formations. Just give us a primaris tactical squad. Having 10 space marine squads with plasma or flamethrower seems off.
@rodrigolopezmaya5974 You make sense and give a what you don't like and what you want for it. I can respect that. All the other "I hate primaris" are just petulant overgrown children that can't even give a good argument.
@@rodrigolopezmaya5974 Afaik Hellblasters haven't even been good until 10th since you'd pay a lot of points for a unit that consisted entirely of models with a 1/6th chance of killing themselves every time they shot. They're now only viable because you only need an Apothecary to babysit them, now that they baked the "shoot on death" rule into the unit's rules instead of needing an Ancient to also babysit them. The thing I've liked the least about primaris is the RTSification of space marines. Gone are the days where every marine is a hero in his own right (mixed power armour marks included in the box, special weapons options etc.), now they feel like clone troopers where this is your bolter squad because they all have bolters, this is your flamer squad because they all have flamers etc. It's also bloated the range, instead of just Devastator squads we now have Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, Infernus Marines, Desolation Squad, Eliminators, and Hellblasters (just missing a grav cannon primaris squad and you almost have the full set). I will say, it is kinda funny how every primaris kit with a plasma pistol in it is attached to a prosthetic arm, guess the new kids on the block are good at rolling 1s lol
Outriders makes sense, it should have been released as a proper multipart kit like what happened with the revamped Sternguard back when it came out.
The fact you forgot suppressors for this video somehow perfectly fits with them. They will be first to go if primaris units go lol
True but you can't actually buy them in their own kit! They're just on a weird combat patrol sprue with some other units
You can get them imperium magazine. I just got 9 of them buy buying the 3 part issues 3 times. @@podger_minis
Outriders need replacing, the kit is awful to build and not purely because it’s not multipart. At one point I was really hoping they’d do them alongside this recent Deathwing update as I thought they might do Ravenwing too :/
We can only hope that GW will, at some point, recognize the fact that a space marine on a giant bike is the coolest thing ever.
GW did just release a Primaris LT that has all the wargear options included. I assumed that was why all the Chapter specific LTs were dropped from Datasheets. And honestly it makes more sense to have one LT model in power armor, as it opens up space for real variants like a LT in Terminator Armor, or if/when they refresh bikes, a LT on bike.
Edit: Just had a thought, I would expect a Terminator LT to be released when they release Assault Terminators.
They still haven’t made a gravis Lieutenant either, something i thought that would have been top of the agenda
@colonelturmeric558 the apothecary Biologis is the gravis Lt
GW need their heads examined for the glaring design oversight that means these monopose kits are so difficult to easily modify with GWs own upgrade sprues (example being the Outriders and trying to add parts from the White Scars upgrade sprue onto them).
I love my invictor warsuits, how dare you sir 😂😢
sorry! I give them another 5 years at least!
TBF I only got them cause they were in the ravenguard Christmas box a while back, they grew on me after I built them
Boy oh boy I'll be annoyed if they get rid of Outriders and ATV's without new kits first. As a White Scar, we just have those 2 mounted units left and 1 mounted char model, now they've got rid of regular bikes, scouts bikes, attack bikes, captain on bike and Khan on bike. Plus they got rid of 4 flavours of speeder. But they oddly made the Stormlance detachment all about mounted units and their enhancements have 2 for mounted characters only. We've all seen the memes - Stormlance is the Space Wolves detachment now.
I can't see GW culling the outrider squadron as a unit, moreso updating the kit.
What I can see happening is the Invader ATV kit being replaced. I've seen people make primaris scale attack bikes that look better than the ATV.
Gladius Strikeforce is probably the best White Scars detachment at the minute (at least allowing for an army with a greater mix of unit variety).
It's a real shame that a bike-heavy army gets such poor supporting rules.
@@horuslupercal2385 thanks - good point - I'll try Gladius Strikeforce.
I know it may not be the same, but i used firstborn to proxy everything. Bikers as outriders, attack bikes as atvs with MMs, robed DA vets as sternguard, inner circle companions and company heroes, tac marines with flamers and plasma as infernus and hellblasters respectively and rebased all my firstborn characters and tweaked their loadouts. Mind you, this was just a 1000 pt list worth, if i had any more DA i would be malding a bit
The Primaris Suppressors didn't even make it outside the Shadowspear boxset and a vanguard combat patrol LOL
I bought the shadowspear box and threw them in the trash
Shame they look cool. A variant of them with lascannons would be awesome
I think they could have potential. If they came in a multi-part kit with two more weapons profiles they could really be cool.
Yeah lascannons or talons and perhaps a pyrecannon or plasma cannon too, we can but hope
Probably Suppressors considering they are only a part of one combined sprue, and even in that sprue they couldn't be bothered to give 3 unique poses. Unfortunate as I really like them in concept, but I can't purchase them, nor do I want to buy a 3 man squad of only 2 monoposes.
I use the Fire-Servo turret, he's just there but he's alright, he's a very niche choice honestly. I fully expect it to be retired, but I won't be happy, he's cheap for price and points and he's good for taking out dreadnoughts.
The Hamerfall bunker is just a kitbash kit to make a primaris hover whirlwind.
Primaris bloat is pretty bad, having 3 seperate Phobos infantry datasheets is pretty absurd.
Only intercessors should've been created as a beefier battle line choice. They made 2 marine ranges (1 now extinct) for nothing.
I don't think they'll discontinue anything based on shitty rules tbh - in fact usually something being amazing is more of a sign it's for the chopping block - look at scout sniper squads in 10th, or something like Tycho (who we all know is going anyway) having surprisingly good rules.
Plus if all you need to do is make better rules that's a lot cheaper than replacing the model with a new design. So I think ATVs and Outriders are staying with us for now - also the DA upgrade kit comes with some bits for outriders to make em ravenwing.
That said based on your logic, if there's a set that's getting canned it's Reivers. They've sucked forever and insofar as I can tell don't really fill any proper role that something else doesn't do better. They have cool helmets and that's it.
Also Suppressors. They only exist in a single ETB kit as part of the old combat patrol/vanguard task force. Everything else in there has a multipart kit already.
Those heads are great for chaplain kitbashes, good thing ebay bits sellers have my back😁
@@colonelturmeric558 Ha that's exactly what I'm doing with that free deathwing terminator mini of the month. Gonna convert it into a Blood Angels Terminator chaplain.
Rievers could possibly get canned soon due to how little I see people with them in their armies
Reivers models are great, it is only their rules that are bad.
@@cfsm984 They lack power weapons. Until they can carry better melee like power swords and claws they'll remain hard to justify on a dps front. I think a upgrade kit is in order for them.
They could just give them rules that include powered combat knives and it would sort them out, gw are weird
I don’t mind the servo-turret
It's my head cannon that that go kart looking vehicle doesn't have differential steering. When they turn they just lean to lift the inner wheel off the ground. Space marine go kart!!!!!
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The Lieutenant with Power Sword will likely go the moment the Deathwatch get a new Combat Patrol
I think the SM units in general that should be taken away:
Whirlwind (replaced by Hammerfall)
Rhino
Impulsor (replace with Primaris Rhino)
Predator
Razorback (primaris Razorback)
Vindicator (change to bigger version)
Invictor warsuit
Incursors (keep infiltrators)
Tactical Sqaud (replaced by primaris version)
have a 10 man intercessors squad Sqaud with an option of 3 different special weapons instead of the usual 2, not including the sergeant.
It would be cool to have a Hellblaster, Pyroblaster and a Missile launcher marine in the same Sqaud.
The Impulsor is the primaris Razorback/Rhino
@@thomasmarston7045 yeah I know but they’ll replace the impulsor eventually, especially considering it’s unpopular. I’d say for it to be replaced by a larger rhino. Maybe not a true scale rhino but hopefully bigger than the impulsor.
I haven't even finished painting those stupid outsider bikes yet. I hate them.
Outsider bikes because they need to go outside and touch grass?
I was shocked when infernus marines weren’t given a multipart kit, I’m sure salamanders players are disappointed that to run 30 is to run 6 copies of 5 models
GW fazed out older sculpts of stormcast because new ones have really changed esthetically, they evolved drastically if you look closely, edition to edition they changed, they no longer match older ones. New stormcast don't look like space marines at all.
the earliest primaris kits were phobos troops and they had deliberately different esthtetic from all the others and that was backed up by lore. if it were not backed up by lore I would say they would be the ones who would be fazed out first. as it stands I would say the ones for the chopping block the soonest would be regular intercessors, hellblasters, aggressors and the like. we now see the shift to more bladeguard-like marines and it feels like that's how they are supposed to be. so the first to go would be cleanly looking regular marines.
Why are the bikes and buggies wheeled but the tanks float
The vanguard task force is a safe bet, there’s so much duplication of kits in it. Infiltrators and eliminators both have multipart kits. Whether they retire the reaver lieutenant and make a multipart Phobos lieutenant to cover both existing lieutenant data cards is another question because the plain Phobos lieutenant only appears in this box. Suppressors don’t seem to have a good use case on the tabletop or an easily available kit outside of this box, whether they get a multipart kit with different loadouts may save or doom them.
Outriders is ok if you have only one box of them. Any more and they're meh.
As for the Invictor, I don't think it's out of the question that phobos could possibly be phased out completely, considering what they did to the sacrosanct chamber of stormcast. Which sucks for ravenguard players (me lol, even though I own like one phobos kit), but I don't think anyone will miss the Invictor
Edit: I saw the other guy in the comments, sorry
Phobos goes hard. Considering the new Lt and it's featuring in SM2 it's unlikely. But SCE thought the same..
I quite like the Invictor. It has a role as a good forward deploy with Scout 8" and Vanguard support is pretty useful if you have phobos units in your list. Add in the Vanguard Detachment and you have a fairly thematic raven guard list with some decent punch, especially since tank shock is better for the Invictor than any of the dreadnoughts
@zombi3brosnanxx Rules-wise it has its place, I just don't like the look of it
@commandercostas That's fair. I personally like it. The stripped-down dreadnought chassis made into mech is a good idea and is just neat to me
The Hammerfall Bunker could become popular if they made as cheap as the whirlwind and given the same role as the whirlwind once they inevitably get rid of first born tanks.
Interesting views I had never put thought into yet makes sense.
I am quite surprise ,that ultramarine mech is actually realistic. (I am new fan)
As a ravenwing player they NEED to remake the outriders and the ATV would be nice
There are 3 or 4 lieutenants with bolt pistols. There is no reason to ever have a bolt pistol on an lt at present.
Outriders + atv retire, redo them as a multilpart bike squad and a bike with sidecar based off the same base bike.
Do a second techmarine with servitors and the turret
Do upgrade kits with parts that turn primaris marines into older looking marines, have some mk10 armors have specific points to peg in an aquilla or a classic vox then reinforce that connection with glue.
Condense the squads, merge the assault kits. Do a HH with maybe 2 base squads with slightly different armors and poses to act as tactical squads, merging the classic tac squad with the intersessors kit. Do a heavy weapons squad in the style of devastators.
They could still offer squads like hellblasters and the... nerf marines for peoe who didn't want the spare part.
We need upgrade kits for other chapters like for example charcaradons
I have a soft spot for outriders, they are just too silly of an idea
Servo turrets arent good, but gollow the same silly concept of technically having a decent damage output but no place in an army
I dont want to see them go to be honest
Desolators can go in the trash too. The inceptors gear needs to look more like the autocannon guys (Omnis armor?)
Personally, I like some of these models and would like to get them at some point, but I'm also not a marines player so have a hard time justifying buying these if it's not for a kitbash(I play Orks). Also, while I will agree that the Warsuit is kind of just a worse Dreadnought, I've fought a few and they can do some real damage while on the field. That said, they do tend to fall apart the moment you concentrate on them at all.
I agree with everything but the tactical warsuit. It's the phobos walker and has the phobos keyword which has some utility with a phobos captain. As for visuals I like it and its cool if you don't. With the upgrade sprues im sure there will be knew ones for the divergent chapters like they did with dark angels and black templars having a larger upgrade sprue. As for the outriders and the ATV, yeah they suck. The outriders I feel should go with hover tech to match the other primaris vehicles and the ATV looks awful in my opinion and doesnt need to exist. nic vid
I hope they retire the Mario cart and the bikes they’re bad. Do hover craft next time or Atleast give them some road clearance for F’s sake
If they would just introduce some new tactical rock poses...
I hate to say it as i love the models but if GW cant make reivers work in the next edition i think they will be on the chopping block.
Suppressors too,
Not my beloved Hammerfall bunker ;-;
The content is fine, but the reasons are all off.
The primaris LT will be phased out because there is a new replacement kit.
Outriders are horrible to build (and I have been around since the individual track link Leman russes). I reckon possibly the hardest plastic kit I have built in 20+ years.
The hammerfall bunker has seen cometitive use, but with everything else getting a lift in the codex, this has become a lesser option but still valid.
ATV has good individual rules especially returning fire if outriders are targeted..... but again better options exist.
Firestrike turret... I love the model.... I will run one for games, but I think its more for narrative or fun games than competitive games. However it can be firepower on a backfield objective holder and could be considered for the game.
The upgrade kits are all.... average. They are a great option for a few people but not necessary and could have a lot more stuff in them like the old first born upgrade kit/dark angels veterans kit.
I think it will be more upgrading kits with mk 11 armor like what they did with firstborn refreshes.
The dorky chaplain
As the removed models are essentially lieutenants I’m not sure it sets a precedence yet. I do HOPE the primaris death company and upgrade sprues get replaced. But as it’s truly a terrible kit… I’m not worried until they remove a decent looking non niche kit.
I think Reivers will go away.
The Invader ATV is, in my opinion, one of the wort sculpts games workshop has ever created. Such a terrible model.
Reivers, Like Reivers have no place and or play at all, I've seen 3 Invictors Lists with Iron Storm, I've seen outriders in gladius and stormlance, BUT REIVERS ARE A MYTH, they don't exist, every edition they recieve the worst fucking rules and everytime they come off as unplayable. If theres a unit to remove thats them.
I reckon Kayvaan Shrike maybe... he's an awful model, I reckon one of the worst of the early run of Primaris, he leans in to all the most cringe aspects of both the Raven Guard and the early Primaris. Also, he's from that garbage tacticool era that really didn't land for GW and consequently they're going back to a play on the old grimdark style instead. It might just be me, but I think he's easily one of the worst Primaris models and is begging to get cancelled
I guess the Lieutenant is a shower and not a grower 😂
So glad I stopped buying gws kits and just started 3d printing them.
Maybe all of them? I'm guessing all Games Workshop games will eventually turn into something akin to tcg set rotation where you need to replace your entire army every edition.
My two cents:
Aggressors no longer serve a purpose now that we have truescale terminators.
Likewise, now that we're getting truescale jump pack infantry, Inceptors will probably go out the window too.
Death Company will get updated when Blood Angels get their update.
Personally speaking I like Gravis more than standard Primaris and as a Salamander player Aggressors are the backbone of my army. They have an entirely different play style to Termies they are all about mass damage not mass defense
Yr paying for the gold leaf on his helmet haha
All primaris should be removed.
Invalid opinion you got there.
I just hate how Guilliman changed tactics and go pre heresy era unit formations. Just give us a primaris tactical squad. Having 10 space marine squads with plasma or flamethrower seems off.
The whole primaris range is ugly
@rodrigolopezmaya5974
You make sense and give a what you don't like and what you want for it. I can respect that.
All the other "I hate primaris" are just petulant overgrown children that can't even give a good argument.
@@rodrigolopezmaya5974 Afaik Hellblasters haven't even been good until 10th since you'd pay a lot of points for a unit that consisted entirely of models with a 1/6th chance of killing themselves every time they shot. They're now only viable because you only need an Apothecary to babysit them, now that they baked the "shoot on death" rule into the unit's rules instead of needing an Ancient to also babysit them.
The thing I've liked the least about primaris is the RTSification of space marines. Gone are the days where every marine is a hero in his own right (mixed power armour marks included in the box, special weapons options etc.), now they feel like clone troopers where this is your bolter squad because they all have bolters, this is your flamer squad because they all have flamers etc. It's also bloated the range, instead of just Devastator squads we now have Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, Infernus Marines, Desolation Squad, Eliminators, and Hellblasters (just missing a grav cannon primaris squad and you almost have the full set).
I will say, it is kinda funny how every primaris kit with a plasma pistol in it is attached to a prosthetic arm, guess the new kids on the block are good at rolling 1s lol
Screw Primaris marines. They deserve to be a subscription miniatures.