INEOS' Next Steps: Murtough To Wilcox
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John Murtough has just stepped down from his role as Director of Football at Manchester United. Murtough has been at the club for 10 years, and he’s a product of the Glazer ownership of Manchester United. There’s been an expectation for a long while that Murtough was going to step down or be moved on, especially with rumours of some stalwart backroom staff being rumoured to be joining United in his place. The INEOS restructuring of Manchester United is really about to kick into gear...
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Didn't Nicky Butt leave because of Murtough? Maybe get him on Vibe to spill some beans 😅
I remember the time he went to barca to agree a deal for frenkie de Jong. What an amazing negotiator
I mean he did agree a deal with barca. Frenkie just didn't want to leave cos he's owed a tonne of wages
@@mitchellbrough1615I think anyone would've gotten that deal through with Barca when they were obviously trying to get rid of him. A better negotiator would have tried to get Frenkie on side first
@Sprt1337 I don't think anyone would've convinced him to give up his wages tbf, would you just give up 17m that you were promised and earned. Ultimately we should've pushed back sooner and just said not happening and left it. Just pushing back on the original comment you can't really hold that one against him as he did his part
Think it's possible to say he needed to leave whilst not saying the guy was a complete chump. I don't know all the finer workings but if you look at the work the academy has produced over the last 5-10 years then it's pretty good really. We've gone out and brought in a ton of talent, including the likes of Garnacho, Mainoo, Ibragimov, Lacey etc. Our under 18s are tearing it up and these things tend to have some delay before really bearing fruit, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him some credit for helping put in what is now a really promising academy.
Yeah we've typically had good academy products but realistically, from 05-15 we only produced the odd player. Right now we're looking at a handful that could feasibly be part of the first team within the next few years and that's not something to totally sniff at.
I feel like we're so quick to just immediately slate people and everything to do with United. We get a bit lost in the negativity and emotional tantrums at time. Not everything and everyone has been a complete and utter disaster and must be hated with venom, which is sadly how our fanbase tends to look at it by and large.
Yeah Howson has no clue what he's talking about here. Murtough did good work before getting the DOF role. I mean without him Garnacho doesn't join the club.
@@alexmeechan9701 yeah seems pretty harsh especially as he's been somewhat reasonable regarding him in the past.
Guessing negative/angry stuff does better overall for 'engagement' or something.
Did you say 5-10 years?!!?
What youth players have we produced since Rashford before Kobbie last season?
Scotty mc saucy😅😅😅😅
@@lancerevo9747greenwood?
He's been a key part of youth development. It might be one of those successes people realise years down the line or maybe it comes out they did it despite of him. I'm feeling that he had a good impact and wish him well going forward.
lol
Great video as per normal. We aren’t that far away as you say - personally hope they give ETH at least another year with proper front office staff
I don't think our starting 11 is that far off but our squad is terrible
Since August 2022 ETH 64 Wins Klopp 63 wins that's without A Structure..Can't be Worse under A Structure.
What an incredibly dumb logic. 😂😂 so ten hag would be SIGNIFICANTLY better if someone else picks the players he never even heard of for him instead of ten hag own players who he knew personally from bayern/ajax/ eredivisie? Many indebted to him.
You’re not arguing that are you? You’re arguing for MORE transfers another 200 million to help ten hag. It’s not the structure, you’re arguing for more money to reverse the damage ten hag had done himself 😂😂😂
@@steve13191a better run club would've either paid significantly less for Antony or walked away from the deal and found ETH an under-the-radar inverted right winger. They should've bought him at the beginning of the window for about 60m or told ETH that it's not happening and found him someone else. Other big clubs find hidden gems, but not MU. That's not ETH's fault, surely.They should've paid less for pretty much all transfers and been able to bring in more players due to having money left over.
@@steve13191logically, he's correct. ETH selected his own players and it didn't always work out well. If the club had brought him some really good options to choose from he would probably have a better squad and have paid less for it. Or at least they should've paid reasonable fees for the players he wanted and had money left over to buy one or two more players.
Also, there's the issue of him not having a top striker the whole time he's been at the club. Can you imagine City doing that to Pep?
They also haven't been able to sell players for any significant fees, thus impinging upon their ability to buy players.
It's a pretty strange argument to make that a better run transfer team wouldn't have given him a better squad
I'm a believer in People working their way up in any organisation, and it is the responsibility of the company to have a culture of developing staff to be able to move up in promotion
At Argos, yes absolutely. At a club trying to be the best in the world, no. Get the best people in.
@Stegibbon I think every company tries to be the best in the world and it's down to the company to develope it's workers as such. I see people on this channel and Stretford paddock that say things like power to workers, but you can't believe that if you don't develop your workers to promote them
Promotion from within is also something present in football, but for that you need the club to work like an organisation, did they profile the people to promote the right way? Did they give junior executives assignments that upgrade their skill to be able to handle the change in roles or bigger decision making? Does the club have a rotation policy for young executives to work in different departments for a period of time under the head to learn the ropes while also executing assignments that gains them experience, are executives provided with opportunities for leadership programs and workshops on different Aspects? Do they learn about on the field player fitness schedule handling, do they learn how to read market pricing and negotiation levers, have they worked on understanding how data is being implemented in scouting and player profiling? For example, a young executive like Fletcher can learn so many aspects of data for player profiling because he has been a top level player and has inherent experience to observe players, or but we seldom recruit even staff the right way under Woodward. So yeah, internal promotions are happening in football, but you need to create pathways to develop executives to be able to level up internally.
@@ciaran4579 you still don't get it, do you? There are some senior roles, like Director of Football, at clubs like United where you don't have the luxury of developing the candidate. The person you hire has to already be best-in-class or on the verge of it. Plus the last people you should expect to develop their workers for promotions on the footballing side are the Glazers. And INEOS simply don't have any time to waste developing Murtough, if it's even worth it
That's all very well and good if the people moving up have smashed it at the previous level. United has been the embodiment of musical chairs for the last decade. Never had best in position anywhere.
I’m especially wowed by his negotiating ability, such as for Antony and dejong … decisive and ruthless 😹😹😹
This is literally history repeating itself. I'm from the time of Relegation, Tommy Docherty, Dave Sexton and Ron Atkinson. Different managers legacy players! In SAF first 3 years, 8 plyrs were sold. We need that root treatment again. If these guys can do that 'rapidement'. I'll be a happy bunny again. Cos watching this team is truly painful!
100% my friend..
But how long would modern fans and owners put up with the levels of success that we had to endure under Fergie for those first five years?
You and I both remember the truth of the Fergie years, and that first half-decade was just as painful as some of the stuff we've seen under the Glazer ownership.
And Atkinson had been a popular manager, who had won the FA Cup and finished top 4 every season. Fans genuinely believed we were in with a shout of the title with that team!
Not many people outside Martin Edwards and Bobby Charlton were chanting Fergie's name by the end of those first 3 years.
Though oddly enough everyone you ask from back then tells you, "I was the only one who believed in him!"
Patience, and trust (from two people) were what allowed Fergie to continue his plans and succeed, and for us to become the dominant team in England and create a genuine dynasty, unmatched in this country.
Let’s talk about a 9 minute video without 3 minutes of ads for ballbuzzers
Good analysis. As you say SJR has a vision to be the best, step by step to get there takes time. But it’s what we need to do. Put the building blocks and foundations in place first.
Peps voice : We cannot replace him
Absolutely. We all share one love - the best club in the world with a history that absolutely nobody in the world can match
GGMU
“…who’s that by the photocopier.” 😂
Out with the deadwood players and old staff in with new players and better management, new stadium, training facilities and everything else that needed to be
Right decision to be honest. The senior management structure needs a complete refresh. I can't say Murtough was to blame for the last 10 years, his hands were probably tied by the Glazers. It's very damming of the Glazers that they've had to hand footballing operations over of a football club they bought to a new investor as they couldn't make it work. Radcliffe is bringing in the best people who will answer not to the Glazers, but to himself, someone loves football and loves United. That can only be a positive thing.
Two sided coin on Murtough to be fair... he'd probably be right to say he gave it his best throughout the various responsibilities his held ..it's time for a more defined structure one with a more liable trial around decisions...best of luck John
He's given it his all in certain roles for the past 10 years, but he's been a cockroach, doing whatever he can to survive and move up the hierarchy. And now his gig is up thanks to INEOS. At the end of the day, he's the one who chose to accept the Director of Football role that he himself knew deep down he was way under-qualified for, so he must take a fair chunk of accountability for his incompetency. Good riddance. No sympathy for him or the Glazers who've promoted him
@@TNT_12 Fair enough but at the same time the Glazers probably had a hugely different view on what success was for this club and the role given they stuck with Woodward for so long and drove the club in this direction
Not the best but didn't he bring Garnarcho, A Fernandez and Jurado. He seems successful at youth level, probably should have accepted that Ragnick input tbh, Murtough didn't have the pull or the experience yet at a high level and learning the Job at Utd in that role is too risky.
I think that the academy will be a real help to us in this massive rebuild as there's some serious talent in the youth ranks right now. If a few of those can make the step up alongside 4 or 5 shrewd signings, then things could be on the up quicker than we think.
Glazers are to blame for everything
If a new manager is brought in at the end of the season how can we get the rebuild that we need
We are more than two or three players. It’s 4-7. Murtough was probably over his skis and was also playing with a handicap, the Glazers, but I don’t feel his loss will hurt us in any way.
A little harsh, definitely not good enough but he oversaw positive changes within the academy.
We need more than 3 changes to get to where we need to be. I'm positive about the future, just feel like it will take a few seasons
It is absolutely criminal that Manchester united has been left In The hands of these substandard individuals to run this monster club on all levels for so long
I think the future really does look promising.
Not just wishful and hopeful. But properly planned and implemented.
Imagine THAT at the biggest club in the world!!!
I just wish people would start to get it in their heads that "The Future" we're talking about *isn't* "Next Friday".
Now Almost their..Manager Needs this To Have Any Chance .
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Is manscapped still a subscription service which is notoriously difficult to unsubscribe?
Roy Keane has to come back, into the coaching staff! 🙏🙏 Take no sh*t 💪
I genuinely didn’t know we actually had a director of football 🤦🏼♂️
Will United still be looking at a transfer guru. Ashworth has had his gurus move to Chelsea and the others specialises in other fields
People always talking about ten hag's signing as if it is a guarantee all your signings will turn out great. It is a continuous process until you get the squad you want or can work with.
It's also not his fault we spend 3x the value on players
If we had got someone that was profiled similar to Frenkie we wouldn't have spunked 80mil on Casemiro
No-one would give a shit about Antony being terrible if we had got him for 25-40 mil
@@Jack-gs4filong before Eth Di Maria 60m Sanchez 400k wages,Pogba 100m Lukaku 75m Maguire 80m Sancho 80m ...Antony 80m or so.
@@degeautdfanfirst Absolutely correct Murtough was Woodward II, Nothing changed as far as being fleeced in the transfer market, Verane, Casimero and Eriksen where all last ditch bin basement purchases due to another failed window like we had many many times before, Hopefully he is the last Banker we ever see.
lol this close up angle on your face is a bit too much my G
We need to start getting value into our recruitment strategy, buying Mason Mount (ok he has been injured) and then not knowing how to get him onto the field is typical of the shit show that has been our recruitment
Hope Tenn hagg gets more time 🫰
Where's Ash Ste? there's been no "heads gone" for a couple of weeks now, Not since the Wales Match?
can we expect to get the next episode anytime soon pal?
Time of The Essence.
We're closer to 12 - 13 players away from having a squad ready to challenge for the title than 2 - 3. Would love to know how ETH is explaining the current fucking madness to Ineos and selling it as a step towards that.
"Itsh a process"
this isn't a computer game, successful squads take several windows to build
took fergie 4 years to clear the deadwood - eth has only had half of that
chill
Bullshit
@@stevoc9930 you truly are utterly clueless
@matthewbaker2573 Not as naively clueless as you buddy. You'd be drinking warm milk for 3 months waiting on a busted fridge to work again. 2 years is enough time to see progress. We've instead had regress.
Sure it's probably a moot point going off all the reports. Ineos have seen enough and they'll be making a change.
Banker to football person it’s a no brainer.
Murtaaagh is gone
10 years of failure.
Maybe it’s not all down to him. He still played a major part in the decline that took place.
In all fairness, I have heard the academy is doing well. Is that down to him? Credit to him if both are true.
Hope we get Cox before the end of the szn
We’ve got Cox; we need Wilcox.
Murtough did some good work with women’s team & youth but reality is he was promoted beyond his measure because he was loyal to the Glazers & failed miserably.
His failures include - him & Arnold’s utterly embarrassing & disgraceful handling of the Greenwood return saga.
He & Arnold basically going on an all expenses paid holiday to Barcelona for 2 weeks to “convince De Jong” despite being repeatedly told no.
Offering Ajax 85m for Antony after VDS recognising he was dealing with idiots said go as high as possible.
Telling Chelsea he wouldn’t go higher then 40 for Mount so offered them 60.
And according to Ornstein practically pushed Fergie out the way to give Bellingham the tour himself which apparently left Fergie fuming.
Not to mention the utterly chaotic handling of De Gea’s exit. Would a “United & David have mutually agreed to split when his contract ends” really have been so difficult.
Just look at the talent we wasted Mengi, Fosu Mensah, Tuanzebe were all better defenders than Maguire and Lindelof, and much faster and better on the ball, Galbraith, Hannibal and even Isaac Aaron Hansen are good in possession, Pellistri and Shoretire naturally gifted wingers, Angel Gomes, Alvaro Fernandez, Garner, Savage and a generational talent in Greenwood, we could have really benefitted with a coach who showed some confidence in the youth and nurtured them like Erik.
Putting people in positions that they are not equipped for is a recipe for disaster, INEOS seem to understand this and are looking to correct it. I don't have any negative feelings about Murtough leaving but he was a fish out of water charged with doing a job he had no business being in. The Glazers are where the blame should sit, and so far INEOS seem to be operating with more intelligence by pulling in experienced veterans & enabling them to do the job.
Everyone involved with signing Mason Mount should be fired.
All I seen last week was mount instead of Bruno mount 55m..10m less than pepe to Arsenal.
murtough is a waste of air bt the glazers made the transfer cock ups
I didn't even realise John Mortough however his surname is spelt was at Man Utd for 10 years. I mean I was aware when Ed Woodward the most unusual director at any football club. But bringing Jason Wilcox coming from Southampton would be ideal but however getting someone who knows the development of the football game would be better. But whatever the outcome is try letting to build the team and club yes for over 10 years it's been really depressing to watch Man Utd and having only winning 2 League Cups, 1 FA Cup and Europa League. 6 years of pain and sad football decline it's fair to say nothing has not helped. But however to run for a football club who are well known the bias media and anti Man Utd fan have an obsession bad Man Utd been. But for maybe 20 years there was nothing. Just shows how pathetic the world is. As fans we should accept Man Utd are not good enough to compete with the likes of Liverpool Man City and now maybe Arsenal who have improved from 5 years ago. They are competing for the last 2 seasons. It's progression for them. But Man Utd need to get the basics right. Erik Ten Hag has made some strange decisions as well as the players not performing
Getting a bit sick of the shaving adds..
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The Sir Alex Ferguson story tells me he is a petty man.
The Bellingham story the rounds again alone doesnt make him sound very good.
Guess he did a job but never anything amazing.
If he had the hand in any youngsters coming in abroad, cool, but we wudnt know.
Murtough had to go but we don't want that clown Ashworth, This clown thinks Southgate & Allardyce are good managers (go read what he says about them) and didn't do his due diligence with Allardyce with England and Sandro Tonali at Newcastle.
People saying Ashworth is best in class ? You're having a laugh 😂😂😂
100% 👍 I don’t see how ashworth can be added value. Next year I don’t want to be at the league table where Newcastle is today. And I certainly don’t want southgate, potter or tuggel anywhere near our 1st team.
I have a feeling the "head of FA elite development" isn't the key decision maker when it comes to hiring or firing managers for England the same way Nick Cox isn't hiring/firing managers at Utd...
Depending on when the quote was taken, Southgate and Allardyce would have either been colleagues or ex-colleagues of his...
He definitely will have continued to have a professional relationship with Southgate while he was at Brighton/Newcastle because of players at those clubs involves in the England Setup at various levels.
With that in mind, it wouldn't be the smartest idea for him to publicly call them shit managers or dog them out would it?
Tonali was a miss for sure...but there aren't many.
You think you're a legal expert, don't you? What more due diligence could Ashworth have done on Tonali? Start his own police investigation? The Italian newspaper reports on Tonali and the other players surfaced a month and a bit after Tonali was signed. Obviously Milan knew the truth and what could eventually happen, but they were never gonna publicize it themselves, especially not before they were able to wash their hands clean of Tonali and sell him for as much $$ as possible. It was eyebrow-raising that Milan were even willing to sell one of their highly-talented Italian kids internationally in the first place when Italian clubs hardly ever do so, but how could Ashworth have predicted the exact reasoning for it?
And what on earth could Ashworth have done about Big Sam? Read his mind and discover that Sam is a corrupt individual? The video didn't surface until Big Sam got the job, so how could Ashworth had known about it? Big Sam was a fairly clean guy prior to getting the England job.
S*** happens in football that people sometimes don't have the resources/power to predict and prepare for.
@@TNT_12
No I'm a United fan for 60 years and want the best in class unlike you
See we know about those massive mistakes he has already made and bigged up Southgate & Allardyce that's the reality..
@@TNT_12 in his position it was his job to do the proper due diligence and ask the right questions to the right people. As precaution he should have put some proper exit clause in the contract with the player and selling club to get the money back if something like that pops up. It’s simply foolish and very damaging for all stakeholders. why would I like someone like him at united to be responsible for recruitment.
The hiring of Ten Hag was supposed to herald a title push in 2-3 years back in 2022 after finishing 6h. Fast forward to 2024 and progress would be finishing 5th next season.🤔 Safe to say he hasn't worked out.
But Ten Hag only been here 18 months though.
@triggasoweto6734 By the end of next month he'll have been here for 2 seasons, thats 2 years. Do you see him winning the league next year with his suicidal tactics?
Would you even put any sort of decent money on us finishing top 4? I wouldn't.
Good riddance monopoly man
Next up - ten hag out
Proven right brigade.."Person doesn't change his mind changes nothing".guess mind made up then.Raoring shouting decade for structure soon as Almost have one..Get Out manager 🥱
you are plastic - jog on
The existence of the women's team does not benefit the first team like the youth and reserve teams do, so I don't care if it's neglected.
It is an insignificant sideshow as far as I'm concerned. Just like the basketball team of the 80s was.
All changes useless if ten hag stays
If ten Hag leaves, in two years time you'll be writing a comment like this with a different manager's name. Let ten Hag first finish what he's building
When Ten Hag in his first season finished third, won a Cup and qualified for the Champions League while making United play some relatively good Football especially when the injuries were not much, did you criticize him then? Just asking with no form of disrespect.
He's made mistakes no doubt BUT the players he wanted replaced were not sold off because the club couldn't sell them due to their high wages... I'm referring to players like Maguire, Martial, Tominay. Injuries have crippled progress of the team this season. Even Pep Guardiola will struggle with that current United squad considering the injuries and the club being unable to replace a couple of bang average players.
For Ten Hag to achieve that much in his first season despite not getting all his wishes in terms of the type of players he wanted shows if he's backed up by the right people behind the scenes, he can deliver. Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp didn't get going in their first season. These top Managers wouldn't have been successful over the years at their Clubs if they didn't have the right structure behind the scenes supporting them. This is my personal opinion though. No disrespect once again.
@dadajulius6489 unless we can get a manager that's miles better I'm giving him till Xmas at the very least, all these supposed candidates are all around the same level or lower of what erik was deemed as before he come here and was setup to fail.
Instant success is impossible with any new manager. Especially with all drama ETH was confronted in the 2 seasons. New manager is simply back to square 1 with new drama and setbacks
@@sumostorms I kinda agree with you.
Banker to football person it’s a no brainer.