Batman VS Captain America | WHO WOULD ACTUALLY WIN?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In this video I analyze who would win between the main timeline/canon comic book versions of Batman and Captain America.
Batman is a superhero appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character was created by artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger, and debuted in the 27th issue of the comic book Detective Comics on March 30, 1939. In the DC Universe continuity, Batman is the alias of Bruce Wayne, a wealthy American playboy, philanthropist, and industrialist who resides in Gotham City. Batman's origin story features him swearing vengeance against criminals after witnessing the murder of his parents Thomas and Martha as a child, a vendetta tempered with the ideal of justice. He trains himself physically and intellectually, crafts a bat-inspired persona, and monitors the Gotham streets at night. Kane, Finger, and other creators accompanied Batman with supporting characters, including his sidekicks Robin and Batgirl; allies Alfred Pennyworth, James Gordon, and Catwoman; and foes such as the Penguin, the Riddler, Two-Face, and his archenemy, the Joker.
Kane conceived Batman in early 1939 to capitalize on the popularity of DC's Superman; although Kane frequently claimed sole creation credit, Finger substantially developed the concept from a generic superhero into something more bat-like. The character received his own spin-off publication, Batman, in 1940. Batman was originally introduced as a ruthless vigilante who frequently killed or maimed criminals, but evolved into a character with a stringent moral code and strong sense of justice. Unlike most superheroes, Batman does not possess any superpowers, instead relying on his intellect, fighting skills, and wealth. The 1960s Batman television series used a camp aesthetic, which continued to be associated with the character for years after the show ended. Various creators worked to return the character to his darker roots in the 1970s and 1980s, culminating with the 1986 miniseries The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller.
DC has featured Batman in many comic books, including comics published under its imprints such as Vertigo and Black Label. The longest-running Batman comic, Detective Comics, is the longest-running comic book in the United States. Batman is frequently depicted alongside other DC superheroes, such as Superman and Wonder Woman, as a member of organizations such as the Justice League and the Outsiders. In addition to Bruce Wayne, other characters have taken on the Batman persona on different occasions, such as Jean-Paul Valley / Azrael in the 1993-1994 "Knightfall" story arc; Dick Grayson, the first Robin, from 2009 to 2011; and Jace Fox, son of Wayne's ally Lucius, as of 2021. DC has also published comics featuring alternate versions of Batman, including the incarnation seen in The Dark Knight Returns and its successors, the incarnation from the Flashpoint (2011) event, and numerous interpretations from Elseworlds stories.
One of the most iconic characters in popular culture, Batman has been listed among the greatest comic book superheroes and fictional characters ever created. He is one of the most commercially successful superheroes, and his likeness has been licensed and featured in various media and merchandise sold around the world; this includes toy lines such as Lego Batman and video games like the Batman: Arkham series. Batman has been adapted in live-action and animated incarnations, including the 1960s Batman television series played by Adam West and in film by Michael Keaton in Batman (1989), Batman Returns (1992), and The Flash (2023), Val Kilmer in Batman Forever (1995), George Clooney in Batman and Robin (1997), Christian Bale in The Dark Knight trilogy (2005-2012), Ben Affleck in the DC Extended Universe (2016-present), and Robert Pattinson in The Batman (2022). Kevin Conroy, Diedrich Bader, Jensen Ackles, Troy Baker, and Will Arnett, among others, have provided the character's voice.
Captain America is a superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by cartoonists Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, the character first appeared in Captain America Comics #1 (cover dated March 1941) from Timely Comics, a predecessor of Marvel Comics. Captain America was designed as a patriotic supersoldier who often fought the Axis powers of World War II and was Timely Comics' most popular character during the wartime period. The popularity of superheroes waned following the war, and the Captain America comic book was discontinued in 1950, with a short-lived revival in 1953. Since Marvel Comics revived the character in 1964, Captain America has remained in publication.
This video is only about the main comic canon versions, who wins between the movies though? 💭🎬
Thank you crisis ive been waiting for a vs between these 2 from you because i watched jobbers and goons vid and he sided with cap mostly and i wanted to see a less biased take for cap and barely covering the full scaling extent of cal but then again he made his video around the time that 2003 crossover so i guess he was less informed
I would say in the movies, Cap in base form is losing to most, if not all version of The Bat, but with the Hammer he would win.
Dam bro the was interesting
And iron man still remembers who Superman is even after the verse is separated
@@maskedthecreator1508 the same kick that he hit spidey with would literally hospitalize any live action batman. plus has way better feats than any live action batman ever
Capt being able to wrestle with Hercules and getting his respect for it. That's real sh*t right there
And batman fought against darkseid multiple times. What's your point?
@@GojosThedit Where did you get the impression OP was stating this as an argument?
Ppl seem to forget that Cap can literally fight for hours without stopping and even a peak level Batman can't do that, and he'll probably tell Bruce, "I can do this all day." Here's a reminder for ya, a natural bodybuilder will never overpower a guy that's on steroids, and this case is synonymous with that🤷♂️
@@sakanouyenotamuramaro7718Batman has faught in a gauntlet multiple times himself
@181kg6 yeah and in another 10 to 20 years he'll be taking on armies according to these writers 🤷♂️
To be fair Batman has ALWAYS been DC’s “A” list characters for a very long time & between him & Spidernan are arguably the most popular superheroes of all time so of course he has a ton of feats; & benefited a lot from “bullshit writing or plot armor. Captain was a “B” lister character that was always around with the Avengers but didn’t get recognized until MCU became popular over the last ten years
This is true but don’t sleep on the very good reads of Cap before the MCU showcasing his feats.
The entire MCU was built on B&C characters. Marvel’s most popular characters before then were Spider-Man and The X-Men.
Cap was a popular character before the MCU, in fact he was one of the biggest names in Marvel.
Batman is far more popular than Spiderman.
Even a UK paper named him the greatest character ever.
@TheMainOne. No he wasn't.
Nobody gave a shit about cap before the mcu.
It was all Spiderman and Hulk.
Day late, but it can't be understated how well produced your VS videos are. Keep up the good work
Much appreciated!
Dayyum your knowledge of comics is crazy, clearly done your research would love for you to do more vids to end some debates e.g. Hulk v Doomsday, Daredevil v Nightwing, Green Arrow v Hawkeye etc.
Yea I did forget batman has been buffed throughout the years as you said the crossovers were outdated great vid man 🔥
These styled videos are the best I could binge a series
Labors of love every time
Great video. The overall presentation and breakdown in this are top tier. Would you ever make a Nightwing vs Daredevil video? Maybe it could be the vid after this one?
If it does well, that’s the idea.😈
@@CRISIS_COMICSHope this vid does well. I’d be interested in hearing your take on it, although I have a feeling I know who would win
@@CRISIS_COMICS sorry I'm late crisis. Another day another dub for batgoat 😈. Your vids are goated 🐐
@@Mr.DelicateTouch I love Matt too so who knows 😃
@@CRISIS_COMICS NGl you scared me when you posted that "don't watch stream" and when you ended your stream early in March lol 😂
Damn, the indirect mention of work you did for you-know-who at 33:38 😂😂 This is beautifully crafted, amazing video! Honestly did not think the Dark Knight would completely curbstomp the Sentinel of Liberty as I did not know how strong Bane and everyone Batman has faced had become over the years compared to Cap's enemies
That "other channels" reference caught me so off guard 😂
The programmer who shan't be named lmao
This video is what I love about this channel. I love putting these martial artists against each other and just having a ultra skill off. A tournament between characters like captain america, Batman, goku and yujiro would be legendary
I know Steve is strong and all, but he isn’t outboxing Bruce lol. Batman for sure on this one. 😂
Actually he does as that's his main Martial arts.(cap) mix it with auguments....he is outboxing him.hell I'd bet money Daredevil will out box him.( We ain't talking every Martial arts.. just boxing)
He has mastered every martial arts just like Batman so why can’t he ? Cause you biased captain has more battle experience since he been alive longer
Same batman learnt from the best boxer too
@@Jondoe297.. but he's not a boxer....yess sir he punches, but it doesn't make him aboxer. He mostly uses Asian Martial arts.where as Steve and Daredevil if you look closely they maybe using MMA but their
Boxing technique is very highlghted
@@wambokodavid7109 but batman still learned boxing to high level with ted grant
gotta love the Bane respect
Ikr, the Batbreaker deserves it, I’m surprised he hasn’t broken Superman yet…
@@Artryom Bane Breaks the DC Universe when
@@ItsButterBean1020 YOO. Sounds kinda heat.
Finally! A detailed analysis on Batman vs Captain America. This was a great video.
Not really cap would win he is just as skilled in combat he was acting like cap doesn’t improve his skills overtime which is completely false he doesn’t know enough about cap to make this vid
@@loganstepanik-ik6bu wrong. Cap is skilled but nothing compared to batman. Cap mostly relies on his strength and stamina while fighting, whereas Batman relies fully on his skills and speed.
@@therealone_20 no he doesn’t he beat Shang chi in martial arts and black panther and iron fist and wolverine all people very skilled and more powerful than Batman
@@loganstepanik-ik6bu black panther and wolverine never lost in a fair fight against cap. Batman beat deathstroke, bane, solomon grundy, lady shiva, Ras al ghul and Darkseid. Way more powerful
@@loganstepanik-ik6bu Batman isn’t getting past Captain America. It’s just not mathematically or even scientifically possible even within the realm of fiction and mythology. If the argument is based on the fundamental logic that Steve is a super soldier and Bruce is peak human but with absolutely no enhancements or super abilities whatsoever then cap wins by a mile. Despite how good batman is at fighting, regardless of how intelligent or tactical he maybe, his physical conditioning isn’t on a par with Steve. Stamina, endurance, speed, strength and durability, healing, Steve has the superior advantage in all of these. Consider stamina as the most critical element. Batman can only fight or operate at maximum for a sustained amount of time then he would fold. Whilst captain can do this all day. That’s just facts. If people wanna dispute this and start using arguments about prep time then you need to get a life. Batman can’t beat most superhumans but favouritism is the priority of the writers when telling a batman story, because the odds are NOT IN HIS FAVOUR!!!
Great video man, as always! It would be cool seeing this too but talking about the sidekicks of some heroes. You know, a fight betweet Superboy and Supergirl or between the Wonder Girls.
Conner is pretty top tier for scrapping with Superboy Prime; just my kneejerk reaction without looking to much into it.
@@CRISIS_COMICS I think at the end of the Teen Titans run they needed a whole group of Titans to beat him, Supergirl and Superboy included, so there can be pretty cool scaling about them, considering Supergirl has beaten Conner in the past too.
@@FragmentedWisp Nah. Conner has 1v1'd Prime and won.
Agree. Not taking anything away from Cap either. Btw, would love to see you have some sort of Superman Clone tournament. Y'know, Highlander, Omni-Man, etc. And the winner faces the Man of Steel himself.
that would be so cool but Superman could end it so easily😭
@@Driddy would this matchup include Sentry
Sentry,blue marvel,Hyperion Ikarus,gladiator,Shazam,icon yeah I think there are some that put up a fight o and Apollo would work 2
Great video, your research puts Death Battle to shame as always
Bro the way you hammer in that these CHARECTERS EVOLVE is amazing because I think people forget that
This video was beautifully put together man, great work. The outcome honestly left me speechless.
Wow, thank you!
You should do a daredevil vs Nightwing video
If this does well!
That would be dope!
yoooooo! I would love to see that!
@@CRISIS_COMICSmake it regardless if this video does well. You got folk watching these videos. Greed and sloth is what it’s starting to sound like. Smh, 🤦🏻♂️ your biggest videos are the Batman ones. And Nightwing is on top of DC right now. And Daredevils no slouch, he’s not that big or popular but he’s beloved around the comic book community like no other.
@@CRISIS_COMICSlove your work tho pimp, just some constructive feedback 💪🏻😁🏴☠️
I've watched a lot of these kind of videos. There is always one thing in common: comics never maintain their own stated facts. Batman is a normal human at top form, but somehow has survived things that would be impossible. His plot armor is top tier. Cap, meanwhile, actually possesses a low-level healing factor, resistance to fatigue, an enhancement to the part of his brain that analyses battlefield and angles, enhanced strength, agility, and reflexes. Even if you call cap's serum something that just boosts him to top-tier human, somehow top-tier DC human simply doesn't die.
Comics, not logic.
DC writers also like to say Batman is top-tier human, but it becomes ridiculous because then they assume Batman is as strong as any human ever was, as fast as any human ever was, etc. Would the world's strongest man by raw mass movement ever look (or run) like the world's fastest man? Of course not. You can do that to Captain America because he took a fantasy serum, which is the entire basis of the character, but you can't keep saying Batman's "just a normal human" and apply stuff that makes no sense at all.
@@mrmacross Exactly. This is the problem with this matchup. Cap scaling is crazy but it can be handwaved just like many other stuff in comics due to "superpowers".
The serum makes it work, somehow.
The problem is Bats keeps getting touted as a "badass normal that wrestles with GODS" but that just doesn't track. In order to maintain his physical prowess, athletic and acrobatic abilities and martial arts mastery he would have to train like crazy 24/7, leaving no time to be Bruce, patrol the streets or recover.
Yeah, Cap also has that, but we can handwave that requirement due to "the serum makes it work... somehow". It's still BS, but it makes sense within the fiction of Comics as the serum just gives Cap superpowers so it's fine.
So, for the scaling to work, either Bats has to have superpowers and thus lose his street cred as a "normal human wrestling with Gods" or we just need to admit he is character with the thickest plot armor in all media.
Exactly because frankly some of batmans feats makes no sense and then they call him human how cap's stuff makes sense cause he got the serium but the stuff batman does is ridiculous and makes no sense cause his character is stated to be human
Either bats got the hidden ability of crazy thick plot armor or this dude is no human in the slightest
Dioesum pit enhance bats
YOU SHOULD READ BATMAN BRO
There's simply just been less outings for Steve to really show off skill and improvement. It's always just kind of been implied. Steve has shown to master alien martial arts in a matter of moments and shown to perform better than those that have trained in it for decades so you can't exactly compare their progression, apples to apples. Bane has always been a dominant force and a good fighter but much of his performance is based on overpowering his opponent. Batman always strikes where outright strength won't help you. You can be the worlds strongest man, if a feather weight boxer shows up and hits you in the temple, you're gonna feel it or just straight up die. So it's really hard to use those encounters as a metric to determine pure strength. Skill, yes. Strength is another.
Not only that but Cap matching and then surpassing taskmaster in skill is more of a feat than your letting on. Granted, we don't see the improvements that taskmaster has made but, a guy that can literally improve just by looking at someone is hardly going to be static. You pointed this out but you make it seem as though those improvements aren't going to be massive with each appearance. It's speculative but still understated in this video, imo.
Batman should be stronger and faster by now, but there's serious doubt whether he actually physically surpasses Cap. It's stated he's faster and stronger than ever before and I know we want to take that very literally and include his short stints with super powers, but that's pretty egregious. It's clear that he's stronger and faster but by how much? We see that his combat prowess is improved but what's his sprint speed? What's the metric we can use to compare? Maybe we're just talking about combat speed but if it's an all around improvement then we should see those physical attributes increase outside of combat as well but we don't see those physical attributes really increase past what Cap regularly shows as far as strength and speed.
I'd also like to point out that after the crossover, the narrative changed in regards to how the SSS affected Steve. It used to be just peak human performance. Now, he's considered super human. By a good deal too. He can run 60 mph, casually shows his strength over 10 men, he can throw his shield hard enough to decapitate a panzer tank. All of those were feats pulled from his, now soft retconned, WW2 past. He's only gotten stronger. Yes, Batman probably has comparable feats but these are far more consistent with Cap and are outright stated or shown blatantly, leaving little to the imagination.
Which brings me to another point. The statement that says cap lacks the power with his shield is grossly out of date. It's an old statement for one, but there are plenty of feats where Cap has a *literal* cannon for an arm. The aforementioned tank feat for starters. However, he's also cut through a box truck like butter with one throw. Through the engine block and everything. Completely casual. He's also thrown his shield to outpace an icbm missile and still have enough momentum to cut through steel that was attached to that very missile. He's busted through iron-man's extremis armor. He's seriously hurt the hulk on several occasions. That shield can do some work. The guy using it isn't a light weight either.
Also, sure. Bruce has dealt with enemies that have a similar method of attacking when it comes to throwing and ricochets so it's hardly something he can't combat against but captain boomerang is hardly comparable. Steve has a much better arm. Throwing harder and faster than CB could ever dream of. Not only that, but Cap himself is more of a threat than CB by himself. Imagine CB with the strength of base Bane and the skill and speed of Slade. Much different fight at that point.
There's also the case of Steele. You never mentioned him. The dude is an absolute machine. Practically a Luke Cage copy. Completely bullet proof. Hell he's howitzer proof and Steve was still putting the hurt on that dude without a shield. The same thing happened with his fight against Nuke. Also glossing over his time spent in dimension Z. Or his combat prowess while completely depowered. Taking on SSS mercs in a 90lbs asthmatic body and completely sweeping them like chumps. Just a lot of missed feats that show where he's at as an all around combatant. I'll admit that there's more when it comes to Batman but there's still plenty of feats that Cap can compete with that weren't mentioned here.
Completely agree. It’s unfortunate that whenever these vs battles between Cap and Bat that the person creating them doesn’t even bother to deep dive on Cap’s history. Just the usage of Commander Rogers changes everything! But he was casually thrown in there like another Cap feat..
Well there is zero chance Batman is physically faster or stronger than Cap I mean it's just not possible short of nonsense writing, Steve has physical abilities that cannot be achieved by training, eventually with training no matter how hard or long you train there is a point of diminishing returns, the SSS pushes Steves body past what is possible for a human to achieve without it, which is why he has been described as the next step in human evolution.
@seraphx26 are we talking about only one version of batman? And only one version of cap or their canons? Like what about the merciless?
@@seraphx26when batman kills Ares the literal god of war after Ares was thought to have killed wonderwoman in the war against super heros. He then put on that helmet of Ares and his power was multiplied ten fold and was merciless and killed wonder woman when she later woke up and went to remove the helmet so quite merciless.
@@seraphx26 Bruh Captain in the comics is a Peak human, not a Superhuman. Batman and Captain are pretty equal, both of them ripped off pressurized plane doors mid-flight.
Love the editing and overall work put into this; however, as a Cap Historian - so much has been missed.. completely fine! One day someone will reach out to me and Cap will have his day.
I get incredibly excited when you release one of these vs episodes. They are waaaaaaaaay too good.
Yeah this went the way I expected but great video very well put together
Absolutely LOVE your videos man, never cease to entertain me. I figured Batman would win this one, and I'm glad he did. Lots of people so that Cap would win, but I always thought the opposite.
I was one of the people who thought cap would win but damn I underestimated the bat (so much for having faith in my favorite superhero)
Pretty sure overall consensus is Batman would win, it’s just there are a lot of folks who say Cap would win (I used kinda be onna those folks)
Same
Another great video Crisis! I think you should try Comics Spiderman vs Batman next, I've seen alot of varying takes on the matchup recently and I'm intrested in yours
I think only the Batman who laughs realistically beat him
"Next I want to see a superpowered genius with magical reflexes take on an Olympic detective."
Bruh
The concept of Batman constantly improving his skills over time, doesn't take one thing into account. That being time itself. As much as Bruce would have evolved since his first encounter with Steve, he would have also aged at normal speed, while Steve ages slower as the S.S.S. in his system slows down his cell degradation. Without accounting for that, we are forced to accept that they would both still be in their prime, when realistically Bruce would be older and no longer in his physical prime, like Steve would.
Fighting is a young man's game, as we see in MMA fighters and boxers, eventually degrade over time.
I say if we're going to account for the passage of time in order to account for Bruce's constant pursuit of training since their first encounter, then we would also have to account for the passage of time and what that would do to Bruce's physicality.
Not to mention that Steves physical peak is beyond everything Bruce could ever reach without stealing Banes formula or letting Ivy give him the Harley treatment.
Would Bruce really need to worry about time when he’s consistently getting retconned and not getting any older/weaker?
@@michaeldorsey9231 If he was aware of this, then no, but In the DC universe only Joker is supected to be aware of the fourth wall. On the other hand .. Batman .. maybe he is aware and everything is going according to plan.
Batman doesn't age his side kicks all aged while batman has remained the same age. Batman should be in his 70s going off scaling from his side kicks. Yet he's 40.
Batman would only learn to hit harder with age
Gr8 Breakdown man amazing.🎯🎯
Thier Sidekicks could fight lol, since they both came back to life at around the same time
The Winter Soldier V Red Hood
Red Hood dog walks. The Bat family scale miles above Marvel Super soldiers.
Damn, this might be my new favorite 😮
YOOO I appreciate it🎉
Crisis steady be having the best instrumentals for his background music
At this point Batman is the only hero we need 😂
i like street lvl characters more tbh videos like this are enjoyable and fun to watch
I know right...they actually have limits and it's interesting to see them push through with either will or more skill.
Perfect…this video is perfect. Not a single flaw
Video turned into a batman respect thread halfway through, then claimed to be comparing their progress side by side 🥴
Dinah more of a badass than I thought she was its dope to hear some of her feats being shown
Gail Simone really had an affinity for her for sure; her and Ollie are dope.
@@CRISIS_COMICS hey can u do a black panther vs Captain America match up pleaseeesss
Awesome video my guy 🙌🏾. You should do Bronze Tiger vs Shang Chi!
Man, this was absolutely great. Any chance you do Moon Knight vs Azrael in the future?
It's a matter of which guy has had more cracked out writers giving them absurd feats. Batman should never touch Wonder Woman. She's so fast that no amount of martial skill should be able to over come it. She could cross a football field, slap the taste out of his mouth and go back to her starting position before Batmans nervous system was able to carry a signal from his eyes to his brain.
It's like people forget that as awesome as Batman is, he's just a man.
I am wondering who would win between Hulk vs Doomsday. It would be a interesting fight to examine.
Depends on the hulk
Deathbattle did that and doomsday because hulk has nothing but brute strength and you cant kill doomsday with just strength alone, even if the strength is strong enough to wipe out planets
@@imtiyazyasir23 true but the hulk has gotten significantly more powerful since that Deathbattle.
@@doublea1148 but does the hulk have anything other than brute strength
@@imtiyazyasir23 Have you heard of the Immortal Hulk run? Doomsday can’t kill Hulk unless he disintegrated him completely.
I both wish the punisher was on the same level as people like cap and bats, but at the same time I feel like everything I really like about him comes from the fact that hes not
In the old table-top game Marvel Super Heroes, Punisher is listed as the same fighting skill as Cap. A Captain himself in the USMC. The big difference is heart and that Super Soldier Serum.
Frank is on the same level
Punisher is nowhere near Cap as a fighter. Punisher is routinely curb stomped by Daredevil when he has his weapons taken away while Cap with a bullet in his side took out Daredevil pretty easily.
A very unique but cool way of examining the matchup!
For a future video, have you considered Sasuke vs Revan from Star Wars KOTOR? Both genius strategists and prodigies in skill and power, both trained for good before falling to darkness, both attempted to unite their respective warring factions through force and subterfuge, and both after being redeemed left their wife and child to protect them from afar against a greater threat.
That one has a pretty simple end, Revan snapping sasuke’s neck before he can even attack. Now if it’s Jedi Revan who won’t do that maybe it’d get interesting
33:37 Man, that's tough right there.
From what I've seen captain America has way more feats as far as physicality and Durabilty goes. And when it comes to hand to hand combat, that's where it can get controversial plus batman gadgets vs cap's shield which is virtually indestructible.
but can be disarmed, the shield can be disarmed.
Amazing video as usual.
Great break down can’t wait till this channel gets to 100k
Taskmaster is limited by only being able to ape street level humans like Daredevil, Punisher etc. Steve would get the drop on him for the same reasons he’d outdo Bats. Stamina & speed. Rogers has never stopped learning or training. Hell, he trains for fun on his downtime. He’s trained at least a few dozen Avengers in unarmed combat which has saved quite a few of their lives over the years.
Batman's stealth is to good. Cap loses.
Spider-Man watches the fight from the sidelines laughing at both of them
“I love MJ like a sister” head ass 😂😂😂
@@CRISIS_COMICS 💀 those books ain’t Spider-Man that’s Arachno-Boy
How strong is comic spider-man?
Spider-Man could literally kill Batman, Cap or even Bane with one punch. This is a guy who lifts buildings, KOs T-Rex’s and can move faster then sight. Spider-Man would be ridiculously OP in this fight. This ain’t even mentioning how he’s constantly holding back. Peter would DECIMATE Steve and Bruce.
@@CRISIS_COMICS where would you scale comic spider-man?
Cap logically should be better. He processes and adapts better than a normal mind. But Batman tagged a speedster and survived falling from orbit with just his normal gear and an oxygen mask
Does people forget about Cap’s enhanced mind, able to learn an adapt quicker than other humans. He literally should just get better fighting an opponent. Cap is actually superhuman and Batman is peak human. I know comic book logic makes humans seem superhuman but I think they are still what they are intended to be. Also Marvel writing had been crap for about a decade now and they sometimes use Cap to show how good other characters are at fighting. Back in the 80s and 90s, Cap was indeed treated as Marvels best fighter.
So what you’re saying is he WAS able to adapt but over the years we can clearly see he hasn’t. Hence why he’s no longer the best fighter.
@@dah_goofster Back then Batman was a detective who fought guys like Penguin and Two Face, now he's the best guy at everything a human can do. :p
yeah but deathstroke is literally what cap wishes he can be, deathstroke has superhuman strength, fast regeneration healing and thinks 9 times faster than the average human being unlike steve rogers. and batman still beats deathstroke most of the time
@@Skholar Cap literally shares all those traits lmao. I’m not sure where tf all this death stroke wank came from, but he’s not above cap, he’s figuratively just an edgy rip off.
Cap has superhuman strength as well being able to stun spider-man, break chains and carry telephone poles on his shoulders.
Regeneration is also a thing that comes with the serum, dude endured an entire house collapsing on him after getting beat down and was fine minutes after, he also has the ability to heal broken bones in short span of time. Caps brain has also been stated to work faster than computers, if we’re not bringing in any bullshit amp or OP armor on Deathstroke than he really has nothing that puts him above Cap.
@@sideeyed7682 cap doesnt think 9 times faster than the average human being though, get mad 🥱 deadpool is a rip off of deathstroke so what?
First! Very excited!
Second!
Awesome video man! Can You make more Star wars content?
@crisis_comics can you do a stealth scaling video?
I really think the level of stealth the bat family has gives them a massive advantage of combatants that are of equal skill if the fight takes place in certain cities/areas.
Cuz disappearing from a kryptonian is crazy
only batman can do that in the batfamily.
@@boubacarcisse8962 redhood, Damian and Dick have done it as well
against who? and what comic book?
@@boubacarcisse8962 red hood did it against supergirl in there new 52 crossover
Dick has done it multiple times in teen titan issue with superboy and a few times with Clark.
But he’s relative/superior to Jason so any feat Jason da accomplish dick can
Damian has disappeared from John a multitude of Times in there Supersons crossover and I think in there recent meetup.
There's actually an explanation for why batman can do this apparently he learned to hypnotize his opponents so they believe he's invisible, he learned it off the shadow pulp character. If he can do it to superman he can easily do it to cap, so yeah the stealth hack breaks this fight and secures batman the victory.
You should do a list of the best fighters in DC and Marvel. Also a iron fist vs batman vid would be cool. Would love to see how batman fairs against danny rand
Iron Fist's punch was compared to an atom bomb. He'd knock Batman tf out, lol
@@sptflcrw8583 yeah i know iron fist is much more powerful so obviously he would win in a fight. I was more curious as to who he would say is more skilled overall. I would have said iron fist tbh but he made a great case for batman being leagues above cap in skill so I’m wondering if he thinks he’s above iron fist as well.
he who shall not be named...
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No way u write for Seth’s Batman Vs goku video 😂😂 that was a great vid
Another goated video
You already know.
Batman and Iron Man are actually more similar because Iron man learns from his mistakes, and if Batman loses to an opponent, he figures out how to beat that opponent.
@@sorin-3510 u don't know shit about Ironman do u??u the type that take what u watch at face value instead of evaluating it... that's his shtick.make mistakes, upgrade.
@@sorin-3510 there's proof lol he does but okay
deathstroke is better than all of them and batman ain't nothing special compared to deathstroke, batman is too overrated and have the best plot armor known to man and fiction.
Awesome thank you for being the best vedio creator
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Arkham Batman vs Mainline comics Batman next time? it would be cool to see who would win between the two.
Comic Bruce beats him with no difficulty whatsoever
@@Mr.DelicateTouch much as I love Arkham Batman this is true.
Batman can`t stand up to Wolverine, Cap has stood up and beaten him. As such Cap all the way.
Lmao. If anyone sees this, to save you sitting through this : it's another delusional batcultist. Basically saying Rogers is a scrub. You can tell he hasn't read Cap in ages.
Cap isn’t as fast as skilled or better gadgets keep crying😂😂
Thank you, I love Batman, but hate his fans.
The problem with talking about fictional characters fighting is we rely too much on triangle theories. Which if you know anything about real fighting styles make fights so triangle theories don't work in real life.
Well, I remember reading somewhere that Steve does train to fight Hulk level threats. Not saying he is herald level, just that he and those on his level aren't fodder compared to them. You've also mentioned in your most recent video of Spider-Man scaling that is reasonably higher than Batman scaling. Though I know that's Spider-Man, not Steve, I'd assume Steve is in a similar ballpark.
I also remember reading that Cap, like Batman, trains to surpass his previous self. Something akin to being able to defeat himself from yesterday or something. Sure Batman can match and surpass that level of growth, but it goes to show that Cap doesn't just stagnate from each skill feat. It's also worth noting him at times outskilling people who greatly improve overtime such as Taskmaster. I agree Batman is significantly more skilled, but Steve should be skilled enough and strategically smart enough so that his superior physical stats even the odds against against Bruce. I honestly see the fight going either way.
CLEARLY, Rogers is faster, stronger, more durable, longer stamina, and quicker reflexes.
So even with prep...Cap Wins.
Batman has inconsistent writing and bigger plot armour than the Hulk.
Batman is better than any shit marvel characters
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 delusion is a terrible thing.
Being willfully ignorant is worse.
@@castieldiallo2945 Joker alone is better than anything marvel has.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 stop trolling.
dude, you do great feat collecting, you ever done any Lex Luthor Respect vids?
This is definitely a vid to watch Im gonna make some popcorn!!
Straight up fight, captain America should win being a super soldier. But in a street fight with something on the line,I expect Batman to be more devious and win.
Marvel and Dc already answered the question and Batman won
No it was a tie and cap was having the upper hand until they quit fighting
@@randomedits8025 The second fight Batman beat him in the sewers
@@KylanWhittaker oh ok
@@KylanWhittakerhe only won because the system was flushed and Batman took advantage of that, until that point it was a stalemate, furthermore that isn't canon, however the fight in JLA vs Avengers it is canon, but that fight was a stalemate because both characters showed great respect for one another, both agreed the fight would just go on and on, so they stopped fighting to look for a solution, so don't talk out of your arse kid.
cant imagine he amount of research that went into this video, amazing video keep this up and you might have 50k subscribers by the end of the year
You should do red hood versus punisher!
I was thinking Jason VS Winter Soldier
@@CRISIS_COMICS that’s a good match up too! If I had to guess it would be Jason who wins but maybe I overrate him who knows.
Hey Crisis, do u think that the Bat Family from Gotham Knights would be able to stop Scarecrows plan in Arkham Knight?
Awesome video, please do Batman vs Yujiro Hanma, or Batfamily vs top tier Baki characters, I trust your judgment, would be a fun and objective video no doubt.
@CRISIS Could you make a video of John Wick vs Sierra Six? I think that would make for a great video.
I love Batman. I love Cap. I have to give it to Cap though. If it came to trading blows and getting into a straight up fight, Cap would win. If Batman used all his intellect and outsmarts Cap before he gets his ass beat then yeah. People forget the super soldier serum also enhances Cap's brain. His tactical powers are his true bread and butter.
Would've been better showing for Cap if you used Wolverine scaling as he has some insane skill statements across the Universe and Greek Gods.
That’s why I specified “DC ARES”, Marvel gods don’t operate at a level like the Godsphere so their skills aren’t as impressive. I’m aware of the god skill scaling, it just wasn’t relevant.
@@CRISIS_COMICS Not to knowledgeable on the Godsphere so I'm wondering what about it makes Greek Gods are Ares's skills superior to Marvel Gods or infinitely above Cap?
@@celestialsoldier622 DC essentially respect the gods from what I can tell aka their specific special place in the multiverse called “the Godsphere” unlike Marvel who uses them as actual characters, Wonder woman really only associates with them so they seem way more powerful and when one shows up then ye… except Darkseid ofc, The New god of evil who is constantly up to something…
The Godsphere is above the local multiverse in DC, and the Speed Force barrier which allows for travel throughout all of time. Ares and his knowledge of martial arts would transcend that. He’s also platonic per being in the Godsphere, unironically having platonic martial arts 🤣
@@CRISIS_COMICS but wonder woman trashes him all day everyday and her archnemesis is the cheeter.🤨. I'm starting to think u are biased for DC.i loved the video tho
I have my own peak humans in my fictional universe. There's a character called Nightfall I created. She drank a ninja serum which pretty much makes her peak human. So she's close to superhuman but not quite. Obviously if my character was real she would be stronger then over 99% of the male population. Did make her be able to run 30mph. It's only a couple miles faster than usian Blot so not too crazy but fast enough to run away from the bad guys if needed.
It seems like DC non-powered humans are almost built different. It’s like they have an excessively high level-cap.
Also, I didn’t know DC had their own Avengers analogues. I gotta look them up now.
Nah marvel characters are just weak
I don’t know if someone already said this but a red hood vs winter solider video would be cool
I disagree because I just think the scaling is a bit off, Nightwing even doing any damage to partial Kryptonian batman who could punch A HOLE through Bane should just be considered an outlier, not to mention I feel like Cap has been constantly improving same as Batman has. But honestly you put so much effort into these videos I like it anyway.
It’s not an outlier considering everyone improves; the whole video is pretty much Batman losing badly then winning severely. It’s consistent. Cap has improved, that’s obviously in the video, it’s just less than Batman and lacks the quantifiable multipliers that Bane/venom provides.
@@CRISIS_COMICS don't where I read this but when Shang chi was sparring with Cap he says cap becomes more and more difficult to fight because he adapts simply from observing but I guess it's negated by batman who has shown the same ability (to a higher degree) when fighting karate kid by adapting when he used the legion flight ring and holding his own against a combatant who is a far more advanced fighter (karate kid saying he could learn much from batman). Damn there is just no way around it Bats is better.
Then there was the whole multi-tasking managing multiple Calls while sparring with wonderwoman and he was using excrima sticks like nightwing (I seriously wish batman would use more melee weapons)
@@baki484Cap has adapted to a fighter whose martial art gives her future sight
@@icegodsavior8885 like clock king who can see seconds ahead but was outmaneuvered and beaten by Tim Drake's Robin (the same Robin who's future version stated that he's not on the level of Bruce and the others needing resort to taking advantage of their psychological weaknesses)? who is leagues below batman.
The karate kid feat puts him above the feat you mentioned. Check out karate kid's feats (competing with the legion member at any level is impressive)
“Batman is only a normal/ peak human”-🤡🤓. This is just cope. Ironically, I’ve never seen this stated in a comic before. However, Amanda Waller classifies Batman as a metahuman and some fighters think he hits harder than guys with super strength.
Dc's words>>>>your words.
@@vaderkurt7848 Peak human is superhuman in DC universe.
Awesome video as always. Black Panther vs Namor WHO WOULD WIN next?
How would Mysterio Vs ScareCrow go?
🦇 Batman always wins, because he is far more intelligent 🧠 than compare to captain America
So there are all kinds of problems with this analysis, the least of which is that you were obviously low balling Steve from start to finish while simultaneously high balling Batman, but taking crossovers into account disqualifies any serious comparison as those are not canon to either character.
The fundamental problem when people amp Batman up is they just do not take the obvious plot armor into consideration, when Batman is portrayed as he should be he has very clear limitations that place him beneath Captain America, one clear instance of this is the singular 1 vs 1 fight between Deathstroke and Batman that had no outside factors, Deathstroke destroyed Batman despite Batman getting the initial jump on him.
So when I see people bringing up Batmans takedowns of metahumans I can't be bothered to take their analysis seriously, it tells me that they are missing the point when Batman is clearly doing things that are nonsensical within his stated capabilities, it's one thing if he does this with preparations but in random encounters Batman should get merced by any enhanced human like Cap or Deathstroke.
At the end of the day the fundamental error that people make in this matchup is just not getting the physical difference between Steve and Bruce, Bruce is a peak human in terms of physical and mental ability in DC that means he operates at the highest level that human beings can possibly train themselves up to through hard work and discipline.
Steve Rogers is the pinnacle of human potential, the next step in evolution, he exists at a level that you simply cannot train yourself up to through hard work, his physical and mental acuity are enhanced level, not as high as Deathstroke but he isn't that far away, and the other difference is that while Batman has a higher genius level IQ Steve has the ability to learn on the fly faster than Bruce can by a large factor, Steve can learn things in minutes by observation, he would become better as the fight went on.
At the end of the day Captain America is stronger, faster, better reflexes, adapts faster to changing circumstances, more durable, and heals faster, there is no chance that Batman will take a majority in a random encounter in fact I'd say he'd be lucky to take 1 out of 10 random encounters, with planning it goes the other way in Batmans favor.
Nahhhh all he said was facts
@@JaucrispyTv You'll have to do better than that or go be annoying somewhere else.
I agree with just about everything you said. About the only thing I don't, is not realizing that Cap and DS are same but different. The main issue between the two is the lore of DS being a Jobber - so he is touted to be the Super Soldier and in his solo runs does some crazy stuff. But then gets clapped by Batman from time to time.. even though I would argue he never really serious when confronted against Batman --- but still writers will make DS look mighty weak from time to time just to make one of the Bat family members look cool.
This was a great video and had many great points. Yet there are a lot of misunderstandings in this video as well, along with the worlds and abilities used to make the comparisons. Depending on the world you placed each of them, you would find their differences wouldn't be as great as you concluded. DC tends to overhype their characters, as in shown in your conclusion of Batman, who is 100% natural human, having physical abilities well beyond even the training and determination he has. This is not something you see in Marvel as much, and the comic tends to stay true to the character's natural abilities. I could go on and on with these issues, but ultimately as a fan of both these characters, as they are my favorites in each universe, I would agree that, in general, Batman would be the victor, but it would be dependent on the specifics of the situation and how willing you are to accept the differences of what each universe allows to affect this comparison.
Can you please do superman vs Thor
... idk, I feel like this highlighted Bruce more than Steve. Also, Steve's best feats weren't highlighted.
I grew up with Batman at the helm of my superhero list, he’s now been replaced with the flash for numerous reasons. I believe he’s very capable, but… Captain America wins this one.
The stature of his “rogues gallery” if we can state he has one, in a world where marvel looks the other way if a hero catches a body, I’d say they are smarter and stronger than the regulars in Gotham whom Batman regularly is beat up by or beats up only for them to break free again.
Now, I’m not judging Batman’s view of justice right now, but I can say, if this fight is properly motivated, something like an incursion, and we consider their training is reasonably close, and these two are going at it… Cap would be willing to kill.
You’re forgetting that Batman fight beings over him such as the beings that are JL threats or Superman level beings.
One example was when Batman was unresponsive; Superman n Dr. Palmer went inside Bruce’s brain to see why, then a being named gladiator was able to hurt Superman n tank punches without bleeding. Gladiator gets transported out of Bruce’s brain then Bruce woke up and his first kick was able to make gladiator bleed then Bruce tanks a headbutt from him then damages gladiator with his batarangs then Bruce tanks multiple hits from gladiator but also Bruce is able to harm him and makes gladiator bleed more then Bruce knocks him out.
Another example was The fight of Apex Lex vs the JL (lex held the power of the multiverse, which is the 7 dark forces. the 7 dark forces are the fundamental opposites of the seven forces which would include things like the speed force, the emotional spectrum, etc.): Apex Lex beats John Stewart GL with ease, the flash gets humbled with ease, WW cuts him in half from his waist to his shoulder with her weapon but then apex heals quickly and humbles her with ease. Batman was able to harm Lex and make him bleed. Both Superman n batman were the only ones to harm Apex Lex, Apex Lex literally tanked a full hit from Superman and was fine.
This shows who powerful his gauntlets are and another example was when the spectre mind controlled the JL and made them fight each other, Bruce hits supes so hard that not only it affected supes but also sends him flying so fast it turns supes into a blur. Bruce hit him so hard that it knocked the spectres mind control out of supes. The power of Bruce’s gauntlets amplifies his strength to the level of high tier characters and im pretty sure capt hasn’t 1 punched anyone that hard to a being like supes🤷♂️.
Jus like what crisis said, bats has too many gadgets to his disposal and is skilled enough to rival Wonder Woman. Batman mid-high diffs capt, besides how can you argue with crisis when this mane literally gave proof and evidence on why bats would win
@@S.Drift.1Batman has studied these hero’s for years due to the fact that he’s gained their trusts and was able to examine. If cap and Batman happen to run into each other out of the blue cap would beat the shit out of Batman.
@@babygroot8023 quit lying to yourself, bats has faced beings stronger and similar to capt meaning capt wouldn’t be any different. Bats mid diffs capt, bats has a lot of ways to win and even without the gadgets, bats would still beat capt h2h combat
@@S.Drift.1 how does it feel to give all that explanation and still be wrong?
@@babygroot8023 how mf💀🤣 even crisis went into explanation and you’re still in denial lil bro🤣 so how does it feel being wrong after watching vid almost 36 min on breaking the characters down and explaining why bats would win💀?
Captain America wins 8/10 in a physical fight. Batman wins 8/10 if utilizing his utility belt to maximum affect. Batman wins 9/10 with prep.
Can u do a Superman vs Thor next!
Superman smoked Thor in death battle
You brought up Supermans list of fighters skill levels which stated that Batman was a 12 but then you missed that one comic where the Karate Kid is somehow brought into the past, and Superman has him listed as a 15th level fighter which is the highest level and then Batman ends up going head to head with him and beats him!
He doesn't beat him, Black Lightning shocks and downs Karate Kid mid fight. It wasn't relevant in this context.
Pls make a video about Spiderman vs Batman bc these tik tok kids really think batman would win💀Batman is my fav character but ı think Spiderman beats him
Bro you have to realise that Spider-Man is superior physically but batman doesn’t rely only on physical fights only, Batman is smarter with way superior gadgets and weapons that can take Spider-Man down
@@Jondoe297.. you are right
I do think it's funny how everyone talks about how Batman doesn't have superpowers, yet he can go blow for blow with Bane, has a ridiculously high IQ (which could be arguably superhuman), has repeatedly taken severe beatings yet isn't crippled, etc. While one could say it is his armor that protects him, as far as I know, that isn't what gives him his strength. Despite the angle that he has no super powers, I think it's pretty obvious that (at least at this point) he does.
Captain America: I can do this all day
Batman: I'm counting on it
*Launches his grapple gun and breaks his neck*
Awesome... Training is great for skills, but there's no training that would make 10x's stronger. Caps Superhuman strength and shield vs Bats and all his knowledge, skills and training would keep them close. The clips from the movies are nice, MCU Cap vs any of the Movie Batmen would be trashed aside from Batflect.
These guys are mutants lol
Mutants can or should be peak humans too according to Xmen logic. Think about it. If a mutation can either give you a shitty power like blue skin or a OP power like reality warping. Why wouldn't a mutation make you the peak of humanity too? It would be a middle ground between useless and useful.
Finally, a fair fight. Usually they pit a clear winner against a clear loser and then argue for the loser. I'm excited to find out just how close this fight is!