I think I know why Dragons go to the Plain of Bones. When you know for sure you're about to die that's got to be pretty emotionally taxing. So they pop on down to the plain to sit with their mates in a support group and talk about their lives and experiences (and free catering buffet!). Get some sympathy,free food and maybe a pen or something and then die. Furthermore all their family and friends already know the directions to the funeral. Pretty sweet deal in my opinion.
+Mr Sniffles It wouldn't surprise me if it was inspired by the idea of the "elephant graveyard", a place elephants go to to die, except with dragons in a fantasy setting.
iirc the actual explanation is tied to why dragons like gold and jewels. They use it to aid in digestion with the minerals acting like giant valuable millstones. As a result every dragon will wild up having a stomach full of valuable plunder for any enterprising grave robber. As a result of the plan of bones being in the middle of nowhere in _incredibly_ hostile territory it serves as a natural deterrent to any would be grave robbers. Unfortunately a giant hoard of treasure and dragon corpses with no active guards is quite the motivation to cross said hostile territory.
The reason Dragons like gold is because in the ancient Legend of Sigurd the Dragon Fafnir, who basically became the template for Western Dragons, actually was a former Dwarf who murdered his father to get his family inheritance. He then turned himself into a dragon to guard the gold which he did not want to be parted with. His brother Regin however got the human hero Sigurd to kill Fafnir for him. Dragons have been owning Dwarfs, hording gold, and getting killed by human allies of Dwarfs in hundreds of stories ever since. TL;DR Dragons like Dwarf gold because their template character WAS a transformed Dwarf.
Well, the story of Sigurd the Dragonslayer is probably not the first of it's kind, probably there were older stories of proto-germanic or even proto-indoeuropean origin.
technically Sigurd is from 1200 (earliest known source), there also are also multiple versions of his myth, and alot of them don't have gold in them at all (in fact of the 14 different legends to do with Sigurd slaying a dragon, only one includes gold and its not even the orginal tale). dragons have existed in european mythology since the earliest evidence of modern humans in Europe, and humans slaying them have always existed. most stories involve them killing livestock or humans. only germanic dragons are associated with gold/treasure, European dragons in roman/welsh/french/italian/spanish/slavic mythology don't have this fixation.
yeah i know and if elephants could fly long range u could see them flying to other contents to do what (there are cases where they went from 1 side of a content to pretty much the other to get to there burial site)
what makes u say that? elephante grave yards have been found without any disterbed bones in it (meaning no one took there tusks) and most if not all being very old (be4 they died). so what else could they be?
Arch has there ever been a dragon in warhammer that has had a good relationship with the dwarves? Maybe with the relationship of we let sit on our gold and it will guard it?
From a biologists perspective there are actual ways the whole breathing lightning could work, just imagine the dragon spitting a conductor like gas or liquid to polarize the target and then produce an electric field similar to what electric eels are doing. This would then erupt as a lighnting like electrical discharge from the dragon to its target. That said. There's also a point to he lungs. Bird and reptile lungs work completely different, and you might say a whole lot more effective than mammal ones. So you might overestimate the pure volume a dragons lung would have to have. If you then take amphibians into a. Punt breathing via their skin some semi-aquatic dragons might be possible from that perspective. But then again sealiving reptiles cope excellently even without that.
Well sadly much cruitial lore about dragons wasnt mentioned. Ok first black dragons never volontearly joined the dark elves, rather Morathis agents during the centuries of planing the rebellion in Nagarythe while Malekith was in the colonies during Bel Shenaars reign maneged to steal some dragon eggs in Caledor which then were used to create mindless beasts of war which are controlled by dark magic. Some adult dragons were captured by the druchii, their will was broken and they became enslaved via magic with but a shred of their previous personality left. Most Warhammer dragons live in the elven principality of Caledor on the isle/continent of Ulthuan were they live in a symbiotic relationship with the local elves who basicly based their entire culture around dragons (lucky elves might collect shed dragon skin and wear it as clothing and dragons have taught the caledorians many magical secrets). Dragons comune via "dragon songs" a specific language which is magic in itself and whous words once woven togather have power (I wonder if Skyrim took this idea from warhammer). Dragon songs can work telepathecly (dragons do comune telepathecly) and openly. elves whoum the dragons concider worthy are taught dragon songs, but speaking in the dragon tongue is very taxing on a non dragon thus an elf singing dragon songs might very well die if singing to long. For instance to actualy wake the sleeping dragons in Caledor the elves knowing the language assemble in the dragon caves and sing dragon songs to reach the hivemind like realm of dragon dreams (and even if they manege that sometimes the dragons just dont care and they may feel lucky to wake a few of the younger sundragons). The elves who are chosen by a dragon are known as "dragon princes" (the title is hereditary thus if one ancestor in a noble family rode a dragon which is now asleep for the last 5000 years the descendants will still call themselves this way but ride horses). The dragonrider basicly "grows" into the dragon with a part of a dragons personality flowing into him/her and with them telepathecly linked all the time.
+Jonathan Vermont Thanks! Also I forgot to mention one more thing: Indraugnir didnt take part in the war of the beard/war of vengence, he was long dead at that point. Indraugnir was the dragon of anaerion the defender and died in the last battle in the first war against chaos defending the magical Vortex while caledor created it. The dragon Arch talks about is Draukhain, the greatest dragon who was actualy awake during the war of the beard, he was the dragon of Imladrik caledor II brother who was also the last elf respected enough by the dragons to be granted the titel "master of dragons". Actualy if anyone wants to learn more about warhammer dragons they should read 2 books, Gav thoropes "Caledor" (which centers on the elven king caledor I and deals a lot with his dragon Midrathnir) and especialy "Master of Dragons" by Chris Wraight, which so far has the most detailed description of the dragons habits, personality and nature Iv seen.
+Jasper Daugaard That video still haunts my dreams ... the venom with which he spoke owww the venom... those sigmarines ... it like hey lets fuse two taste without regard on how it might taste...still wondering if it was some ill-conceived crossover attempt ....
I have an idea for the "Dragon evolution question". The word "Dragon" doesn't refer to an actual specise but rather any big scary lizard like creaturre without an obvious connection to chaos.
Warhammer could you do a video about chaos. I know how the warp works and stuff. But if two chaos warriors from khorne meet do they fight or are they like we are on the same side. Do demons fight alongside followers of there respective chaos god? Do the chaos god fight amongst each other? What type of demons are there? Do they chaos powers have terretory or is it just one big clusterfuck. Basicly how the chaos gods interact with each other.
Steven it's kinda late, but Khorne doesn't care where blood comes from... so if there are no enemies around.. well your allies bleed too. Rarely the chaos gods work together... that's why chaos undivided is important.
yet again great stuff from arch warhammer i only wish he would post more of those, love the details that he goes into so we understand better i still would like to more of those detailed warhammer 40k and warhammer fantasy and less of thos were's hes playing games but thats just my opnion very great stuff arch keep it comin!!!!!
you could safely assume that the Dragons hate the lizardmen. After all the old ones changed the warhammer world into its current state, with most of the non chaotic races and its climate. This was the reason for the Dragons going from Apex Species to...well...cave lizards. They might hate them less because of the chaos being a common enemy, then again the old ones are also responsible for chaos coming into the world.
sure, however without the polar gates there would be no warpstone, no chaos wastes, no goddamn giantass deamonportals in the polar areas and thus maybe the occasional chaos cultist, but not the clusterfuck the gates collapse caused. If not the old ones, who is responsible? chaos, yeah, but without the old ones i doubt chaos would have been able to get into such a powerful position.
Sidar Erdem well, yeah as a lizardmen player i agree. But in my previous comments i was arguing from the dragons perspective, and to them the old ones just brought hardship. i dont think from that position you care much for intentions if everything went against you.
Sorry to nitpick but the zombie dragon picture was of a Terrorgeist, basically a giant undead bat monster. As for why the dragons all went to that spot to die, it is worth noting they did this long before nagash was even born so nobody was really worried about necromancy seeing as how it didn't exist yet. Once necromancers started pillaging their graves dragons no longer went there to die. That said they didn't really carry off their dead to bury elsewhere so necromancers continue to pillage the site for undead dragons to this day (seeing as how age of sigmar isn't canon and merely the fanfiction of a 12 year old).
Question that's been in my mind for a while now, when it comes to Necromancers in the Warhammer Fantasy universe. Do they also make zombies/skeletons/ghosts from Dwarves, Greenskins and other non human races? (only one I heard about is Krell, but he's technically a human corrupted by chaos.)
+Miep The whole thing with the blood dragon vampire line is that they fight as much as they do so tehy can be tough enough to take on a dragon one-on-one and defeat it, drinikng its blood. Draogn blood is supposed to satiate the vampiric bloodlust for ever. So, probably no actual vampire dragons.
How could a single chaos dragon with no other of it's kind manage to create a entire race of itself? Simple, good old fashion rape of the ice dragons think about it. It's chaos so strong, the ice dragons are smaller and therefore easy to access and also to subjugate
Arch, do you heard about TotalBiscuit? One of shows he is doing is The Co-Optional Podcast. Maybe you can get to that show and talk about Warhammer games there? Streams usually is watch something aroud 15 000 + people on yt. I am sure they will want to hear what you think about total war warhammer.
From The Lord of the Rings Glaurung, Ancalagon the Black & Smaug, to Balerion the Black Dread from A Song of Fire & Ice to the Red Dragons from D&D, my favourite monster with the Golds in second place, to Kalgalanos the Black, Indraugnir, Maedrethnir, Seraphonor to the Dragon Aspects & the their flights from WarCraft, but most of all the Dragon race of the Elder Scrolls universe. They are my favourite race with the vampire coming only in second place, I wish I could rider to war on the back of one the size of either Ancalagon the Black or Balerion the Black Dread
I know you're talking about the Warhammer world Dragons, but the animated movie, Flight of Dragons (1984? I thiink) had a really great segment where it describes the Dragons need for gold and how they breath fire and fly. None of that covers the other Dragons though, but it was a good explanation for how they could fly though. I don't know if there's any info on this, but I heard a story from the 2nd or 3rd Edition of FB about the oldest dragon, Kegox, who's children were scattered and they became the first of the separately coloured Dragons.
sea dragons are said to descend from dark elf dragons that were shot down and fell in the chaos corrupted sea, which mutated them into what they became.
The reason dragons went to die in the Plain of Bones is because it's a reference to the concept of elephant graveyards and the dragons did it long before Nagash invented necromancy, so there wasn't reason to fear reanimation.
How about wyverns, these large, flying lizardlike creatures that for example orc Waaahgbosses sometimes use as a mount? Are they related to dragons in one way or another?
On the subject of forest dragons - i would completely understand any creature wanting to migrate from forest of Loren, considering the fact that it is a rather cooky place.
Dragons joined the Dark Elves because as time passed they started being 'corrupted'. It was explained that the Dragons could not resist the urge to go to sleep like the due for long periods of time, it was also explained that when this started happening some of them felt the urge to turn on the elves (we are talking about good dragons turning on good elves). It is therefor understood that the now evil dragons were just dragons who gave in to the urge to do evil shit.
the sky dragons are equipped with directed energy/plasma breath weapons, really a lot like the Scrill, Frome How to Train Your Dragon, that is really, really awesome, and in the proper sense of the word too.
the whole elven dragon riders and dragon sleeping for centuries are taken straight from michel morcocks Elric of melnibone series of novels. its also where all the chaos nonseanse comes from
Also, remember that Dragons were the original life form in the Warhammer Universe, they could have evolved into sea dragons way before any other life form even existed that could be considered a threat.
Well, dragons eat gems so there is that. They tend to sleep on the gold as well, making is a nice bed. While generally, the more wealth a dragon has contributes to his power.
If dragons like gold and attack Dwarven strongholds (Karaks?), why don't they attack the Lizardmen temples/cities which are filled with gold? (Really cool lore videos by the way).
First of all another great video, Arch. Could someone help me with 2 questions? Q1: Do the woodelves also employ a dragons like the Dark- and High Elves? Q2: Are the High Elves like the dark elves limited to only using to only using one kind of dragon or do they deploy several?
Gold is also the softest metal on the scientific table of elements. What ELSE do you think a dragon would use as bedding? Blankets? Not likely! Blankets and sheets would go up in an inferno on the first snore!
” The seas of the Warhammer universe is filled to the brim with tooth and bad attitude” A mental image of a bunch of angry whales with cockney accent poped up!^^
To bad you didnt mention Cathay and Nippon. I beleive the "Dragon Emperor" of Cathay is in Fact a dragon who took human form. Similar to our worlds Asian Dragons from folklore, who are less beasts, instead more of a noble "watchers" of the world.
Yeah Sigmar also met a dragon-god after "The World That Was TM" was destroyed... I dunno what GW writers were going with it but it'd mean that dragons are eternal, semi-godlike beings. Which would also mean that Dragons dies and then... reborn?
Great video, was wondering what your opinion is on lore from "Forgeworld" ? such as "Storm of magic" & "monsters arcanum" ? Since they include additional mentions of dragons, such as "Toad Dragons" & "Magma Dragons"
Gas is a maybe. Jus put because of the fact that I could be a biological mixture that is gaseous at room temperature. Like how some animals have poison in real life
What use has a Dragon for gold you ask? Well, what use has Gold for us? It´s shiny , rare it does not oxidize. Making it valuable. Just valuable. Especialy in medieval time´s gold has seen no uses. Besides as money. Because its shiny, rare and does not oxidize.
Let me enlighten you about Black dragons and dark elves because you got it all wrong. You explanation of mind raping doesn't hold a second as only a vastly powerful sorceress could do such a thing and black dragons are commonly ridden by dark elf nobles. Most Black Dragons descend from a female called Sulekh, the first black dragon. She was part of a number of eggs stolen from Caledor and nastily corrupted still unborn. She was the most powerful of them and mount to Malekith. When Sulekh was slain by Caledor her descendant swore vengeance against the high elves and this hatred gives them a common ground with the dark elves (other than the fact that they created them and brought them up). The fact is that dark elves created and brought up the first black dragons and as such they are relatively young dragons but made stronger and bigger by dark magic in the egg. Black dragons are cruel and corrupted creatures and they can find a worthy alter ego in a savage and strong enough dark elf, proof is the story of Rakarth the beastmaster and his dragon Bracchus. So, no black dragons are not mind raped slaves of the dark elves (except possibly the dragon of a particularly poweful and ambitious sorceress), they are corrupted and cruel creatures that share many traits with the dark elves and as such can form a dark parody of the bond between a high elf dragon rider and his mount.
Based arround how you describe them & how the lore tells about them, the best way to name what they are might be as top level primal alpha class super predator, that might have warp cell evolution thus explaining its adaptability, there just as old if not older then the saurians of the WarHammer World, they were there when the Old Ones arrived, now how much are they evolved lets say from the wyverns, its like comparing & I"m quoting you here "comparing The Wright brothers by plane to Jumbo Jet" , or even other species is something interesting.
"It is surrounded by adoring crowds who call it "Kawai" and other horrible names"
I lost my shit, laughed for so long.
I think I know why Dragons go to the Plain of Bones. When you know for sure you're about to die that's got to be pretty emotionally taxing. So they pop on down to the plain to sit with their mates in a support group and talk about their lives and experiences (and free catering buffet!). Get some sympathy,free food and maybe a pen or something and then die. Furthermore all their family and friends already know the directions to the funeral.
Pretty sweet deal in my opinion.
+Mr Sniffles
It wouldn't surprise me if it was inspired by the idea of the "elephant graveyard", a place elephants go to to die, except with dragons in a fantasy setting.
iirc the actual explanation is tied to why dragons like gold and jewels. They use it to aid in digestion with the minerals acting like giant valuable millstones. As a result every dragon will wild up having a stomach full of valuable plunder for any enterprising grave robber. As a result of the plan of bones being in the middle of nowhere in _incredibly_ hostile territory it serves as a natural deterrent to any would be grave robbers. Unfortunately a giant hoard of treasure and dragon corpses with no active guards is quite the motivation to cross said hostile territory.
The reason Dragons like gold is because in the ancient Legend of Sigurd the Dragon Fafnir, who basically became the template for Western Dragons, actually was a former Dwarf who murdered his father to get his family inheritance. He then turned himself into a dragon to guard the gold which he did not want to be parted with.
His brother Regin however got the human hero Sigurd to kill Fafnir for him. Dragons have been owning Dwarfs, hording gold, and getting killed by human allies of Dwarfs in hundreds of stories ever since.
TL;DR Dragons like Dwarf gold because their template character WAS a transformed Dwarf.
Well, the story of Sigurd the Dragonslayer is probably not the first of it's kind, probably there were older stories of proto-germanic or even proto-indoeuropean origin.
technically Sigurd is from 1200 (earliest known source), there also are also multiple versions of his myth, and alot of them don't have gold in them at all (in fact of the 14 different legends to do with Sigurd slaying a dragon, only one includes gold and its not even the orginal tale).
dragons have existed in european mythology since the earliest evidence of modern humans in Europe, and humans slaying them have always existed. most stories involve them killing livestock or humans. only germanic dragons are associated with gold/treasure, European dragons in roman/welsh/french/italian/spanish/slavic mythology don't have this fixation.
"you feed me and I let you ride my back" lmao soooo human-related relationship
Tale even older than agriculture
arch u might not know this but in real life there are animals that go to a common place to die. most notably elephants
+Andrew Harvey Interesting point
yeah i know and if elephants could fly long range u could see them flying to other contents to do what (there are cases where they went from 1 side of a content to pretty much the other to get to there burial site)
+Andrew Harvey ITS A MYTH
what makes u say that? elephante grave yards have been found without any disterbed bones in it (meaning no one took there tusks) and most if not all being very old (be4 they died). so what else could they be?
+Andrew Harvey They actually haven't been found.
Arch has there ever been a dragon in warhammer that has had a good relationship with the dwarves? Maybe with the relationship of we let sit on our gold and it will guard it?
No, the dwarves always kill dragons to get at their gold and dragons kill dwarves and take their gold.
From a biologists perspective there are actual ways the whole breathing lightning could work, just imagine the dragon spitting a conductor like gas or liquid to polarize the target and then produce an electric field similar to what electric eels are doing. This would then erupt as a lighnting like electrical discharge from the dragon to its target. That said. There's also a point to he lungs. Bird and reptile lungs work completely different, and you might say a whole lot more effective than mammal ones. So you might overestimate the pure volume a dragons lung would have to have. If you then take amphibians into a. Punt breathing via their skin some semi-aquatic dragons might be possible from that perspective. But then again sealiving reptiles cope excellently even without that.
Well sadly much cruitial lore about dragons wasnt mentioned. Ok first black dragons never volontearly joined the dark elves, rather Morathis agents during the centuries of planing the rebellion in Nagarythe while Malekith was in the colonies during Bel Shenaars reign maneged to steal some dragon eggs in Caledor which then were used to create mindless beasts of war which are controlled by dark magic. Some adult dragons were captured by the druchii, their will was broken and they became enslaved via magic with but a shred of their previous personality left.
Most Warhammer dragons live in the elven principality of Caledor on the isle/continent of Ulthuan were they live in a symbiotic relationship with the local elves who basicly based their entire culture around dragons (lucky elves might collect shed dragon skin and wear it as clothing and dragons have taught the caledorians many magical secrets). Dragons comune via "dragon songs" a specific language which is magic in itself and whous words once woven togather have power (I wonder if Skyrim took this idea from warhammer). Dragon songs can work telepathecly (dragons do comune telepathecly) and openly. elves whoum the dragons concider worthy are taught dragon songs, but speaking in the dragon tongue is very taxing on a non dragon thus an elf singing dragon songs might very well die if singing to long. For instance to actualy wake the sleeping dragons in Caledor the elves knowing the language assemble in the dragon caves and sing dragon songs to reach the hivemind like realm of dragon dreams (and even if they manege that sometimes the dragons just dont care and they may feel lucky to wake a few of the younger sundragons). The elves who are chosen by a dragon are known as "dragon princes" (the title is hereditary thus if one ancestor in a noble family rode a dragon which is now asleep for the last 5000 years the descendants will still call themselves this way but ride horses). The dragonrider basicly "grows" into the dragon with a part of a dragons personality flowing into him/her and with them telepathecly linked all the time.
arch take some notes. this guy knows what he's talking about.
+Jonathan Vermont Thanks!
Also I forgot to mention one more thing: Indraugnir didnt take part in the war of the beard/war of vengence, he was long dead at that point. Indraugnir was the dragon of anaerion the defender and died in the last battle in the first war against chaos defending the magical Vortex while caledor created it. The dragon Arch talks about is Draukhain, the greatest dragon who was actualy awake during the war of the beard, he was the dragon of Imladrik caledor II brother who was also the last elf respected enough by the dragons to be granted the titel "master of dragons". Actualy if anyone wants to learn more about warhammer dragons they should read 2 books, Gav thoropes "Caledor" (which centers on the elven king caledor I and deals a lot with his dragon Midrathnir) and especialy "Master of Dragons" by Chris Wraight, which so far has the most detailed description of the dragons habits, personality and nature Iv seen.
I love all your warhammer lore videos Arch they are weirdly soothing keep up the good work
I love to watch them in the bath, don't need to look at the screen so I can sit back, relax and learn some cool shit.
+Patrick Henriksen ya iknow, love it,
+Askethanoras these vids help me go to sleep haha
Walter Sobchak i listen to em while sleeping XD
6:16 Well, maybe they have large static electricity producing glands like Eels and they use those to project arcs of electricity through their mouths.
This may be heretical, but could you do a video on the End Times? I want to know why you hate it so much
+Charlie ‘Minicliff13’ Clifton-Brown alot of lore changes, world gets destroyed everyone becomes a god etc
+Charlie “Minicliff13” Clifton-Brown He made a video called "end times" just search it up and you'll find it
+Jasper Daugaard That video still haunts my dreams ... the venom with which he spoke owww the venom... those sigmarines ... it like hey lets fuse two taste without regard on how it might taste...still wondering if it was some ill-conceived crossover attempt ....
Jasper Daugaard he says why he hates it, but not what happens in it
+George Lorenzen The best part of that video was in the comments someone said "Ground Marines... CHAARGE!" I laughed so hard.
13:51 FUCKING THANK YOU! You're hatred of End Times is rivaled only by my cold abyss of rage for the Hobbit trilogy.
"A dragon that lives in the sea." And so was the SpongeBob SquarePants dragon conversion idea born.
Don't want to be fussy but isn't that a picture of a Terrorgheist and not a Zombie Dragon?
It is actually a zombie Dragon.
7:50 pretty sure is a Terrorgheist. Looks far too bat-like to be a dragon.
+evenflow1981 Thought you were talking about the thumbnail. At 8:10 that is a terrorgheist
Its not a long shot that they all go to one place to die...seeing Elephants do it IRL.
Again i just love your lore videos. Can u give more plz.
I have an idea for the "Dragon evolution question". The word "Dragon" doesn't refer to an actual specise but rather any big scary lizard like creaturre without an obvious connection to chaos.
There are birds who live 90% at sea...they can also dive n actually use their wings under water as propulsion.
Dragons need gold for bling, and to pay down student loans. Cause no one is free from student loans.
Warhammer could you do a video about chaos. I know how the warp works and stuff. But if two chaos warriors from khorne meet do they fight or are they like we are on the same side. Do demons fight alongside followers of there respective chaos god? Do the chaos god fight amongst each other? What type of demons are there? Do they chaos powers have terretory or is it just one big clusterfuck. Basicly how the chaos gods interact with each other.
Steven it's kinda late, but Khorne doesn't care where blood comes from... so if there are no enemies around.. well your allies bleed too.
Rarely the chaos gods work together... that's why chaos undivided is important.
yet again great stuff from arch warhammer i only wish he would post more of those, love the details that he goes into so we understand better i still would like to more of those detailed warhammer 40k and warhammer fantasy and less of thos were's hes playing games but thats just my opnion very great stuff arch keep it comin!!!!!
Can we get a First Chaos War lore vid please :)
Ive been on the night shift the past two weeks - Arch is the only thing getting me through it! Keep it up mate
Could you do a video on the entire story of Nagash at some point?Nagash was the true hero of the Warhammer world.
Imperitus nagash is such a boss, I'd like to see a vid to!
Tesla10koil check out the tomb kings lore video
"pack your bags we're going pet shopping" LOL
it would be so bad ass if we could get karl franz with a dragon mount!
Two questions:
1) How do Wyverns fit into the Dragon situation?
2) What di Dragons think of Lizardmen?
Wyverns aren't dragons. It's a lore thing, just look it up.
you could safely assume that the Dragons hate the lizardmen. After all the old ones changed the warhammer world into its current state, with most of the non chaotic races and its climate. This was the reason for the Dragons going from Apex Species to...well...cave lizards. They might hate them less because of the chaos being a common enemy, then again the old ones are also responsible for chaos coming into the world.
sure, however without the polar gates there would be no warpstone, no chaos wastes, no goddamn giantass deamonportals in the polar areas and thus maybe the occasional chaos cultist, but not the clusterfuck the gates collapse caused. If not the old ones, who is responsible? chaos, yeah, but without the old ones i doubt chaos would have been able to get into such a powerful position.
Sidar Erdem well, yeah as a lizardmen player i agree. But in my previous comments i was arguing from the dragons perspective, and to them the old ones just brought hardship. i dont think from that position you care much for intentions if everything went against you.
Randygandalf95 same way crocodiles think about lizards
Sorry to nitpick but the zombie dragon picture was of a Terrorgeist, basically a giant undead bat monster. As for why the dragons all went to that spot to die, it is worth noting they did this long before nagash was even born so nobody was really worried about necromancy seeing as how it didn't exist yet. Once necromancers started pillaging their graves dragons no longer went there to die. That said they didn't really carry off their dead to bury elsewhere so necromancers continue to pillage the site for undead dragons to this day (seeing as how age of sigmar isn't canon and merely the fanfiction of a 12 year old).
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How can the sea dragons get to the plain of bones?
They don't because they're not real dragons #WeWereAllThinkingIt
+Sid Wara Carefully.
+Sid Wara They are not actually dragons. They are a sub-species called Lindworms, inspired by norse mythology. No plain of bones for them.
Downside. It's....it's a downside.
Not a backside. That's something...else.
Question that's been in my mind for a while now, when it comes to Necromancers in the Warhammer Fantasy universe.
Do they also make zombies/skeletons/ghosts from Dwarves, Greenskins and other non human races? (only one I heard about is Krell, but he's technically a human corrupted by chaos.)
According to some fluff, dragons like to eat their treasure.
Question: If a dragon can be raised as a zombie, could a dragon be a vampire ?
Dun dun duuu!
+Miep The whole thing with the blood dragon vampire line is that they fight as much as they do so tehy can be tough enough to take on a dragon one-on-one and defeat it, drinikng its blood. Draogn blood is supposed to satiate the vampiric bloodlust for ever. So, probably no actual vampire dragons.
Giannis Evgenidis
I knowabout blood dragons, i just think a vampiric dragon would be a truly awesome monster.
8:23 it's a terrorgheist, not a zombie dragon! great video anyway
I think gold affects Dragons in a similar way catnip affects cats. Cats roll in cat nip, Dragons roll in gold.
How could a single chaos dragon with no other of it's kind manage to create a entire race of itself?
Simple, good old fashion rape of the ice dragons think about it.
It's chaos so strong, the ice dragons are smaller and therefore easy to access and also to subjugate
I spy with my little eye a Dragon mount DLC for Karl Franz))))
+Easter Bunny
Would come with a helluva upkeep cost, I imagine xD
arch what the hell is a Wyvern are they subspecies of dragons or are they big lizards or what?
Arch, do you heard about TotalBiscuit? One of shows he is doing is The Co-Optional Podcast. Maybe you can get to that show and talk about Warhammer games there? Streams usually is watch something aroud 15 000 + people on yt. I am sure they will want to hear what you think about total war warhammer.
This comment didn't age all that well.
how a dragon can breathe lightning is a stream of negatively charged particles or possibly positively charged particles, maybe even a mix of both.
Arch, could you make a vid. on Von Carnsteins, and how Mannfred got his Z. Dragon, pretty please ?: - )
From The Lord of the Rings Glaurung, Ancalagon the Black & Smaug, to Balerion the Black Dread from A Song of Fire & Ice to the Red Dragons from D&D, my favourite monster with the Golds in second place, to Kalgalanos the Black, Indraugnir, Maedrethnir, Seraphonor to the Dragon Aspects & the their flights from WarCraft, but most of all the Dragon race of the Elder Scrolls universe.
They are my favourite race with the vampire coming only in second place, I wish I could rider to war on the back of one the size of either Ancalagon the Black or Balerion the Black Dread
Nice video! keep it up man :)
Two videos today, awesome!
Could you pls cover the monsters of the ocean
this episode keeps reminding people how bad the fluff is with AoS... thank you for that!
ahhh yes.. that age old question... "but what about dragons?"
MACHICULATIOOOOOONZ!!
I know you're talking about the Warhammer world Dragons, but the animated movie, Flight of Dragons (1984? I thiink) had a really great segment where it describes the Dragons need for gold and how they breath fire and fly.
None of that covers the other Dragons though, but it was a good explanation for how they could fly though.
I don't know if there's any info on this, but I heard a story from the 2nd or 3rd Edition of FB about the oldest dragon, Kegox, who's children were scattered and they became the first of the separately coloured Dragons.
Snakelike dragons are called wyrms. They are dragons.
Necromancer's wet dream is a resurrected Kroak under their command...
sea dragons are said to descend from dark elf dragons that were shot down and fell in the chaos corrupted sea, which mutated them into what they became.
The reason dragons went to die in the Plain of Bones is because it's a reference to the concept of elephant graveyards and the dragons did it long before Nagash invented necromancy, so there wasn't reason to fear reanimation.
6:00 Well, hi there Salamance! Well, it can learn Thunder Fang, so I guess it's ok...
>be YT
>recommend 5 year old video
>make me happy
How about wyverns, these large, flying lizardlike creatures that for example orc Waaahgbosses sometimes use as a mount? Are they related to dragons in one way or another?
When you say "I have been arch" at the end, it's past tense does it mean you're no longer arch when the video ends?
On the subject of forest dragons - i would completely understand any creature wanting to migrate from forest of Loren, considering the fact that it is a rather cooky place.
The sea dragon is a wyrm.
Dragons like gold cuz it’s the softest metal, it makes a wonderful bed duuuh
Dragons joined the Dark Elves because as time passed they started being 'corrupted'. It was explained that the Dragons could not resist the urge to go to sleep like the due for long periods of time, it was also explained that when this started happening some of them felt the urge to turn on the elves (we are talking about good dragons turning on good elves). It is therefor understood that the now evil dragons were just dragons who gave in to the urge to do evil shit.
the sky dragons are equipped with directed energy/plasma breath weapons, really a lot like the Scrill, Frome How to Train Your Dragon, that is really, really awesome, and in the proper sense of the word too.
I do as the arch commands!
the whole elven dragon riders and dragon sleeping for centuries are taken straight from michel morcocks Elric of melnibone series of novels. its also where all the chaos nonseanse comes from
Wings are not necessarily an impediment to swimming. Ask a Penguin and it'll tell you. :)
Very nice video.
Can you do a video on marine warfare in warhammer world?
YAY I was hoping for this I am writing a fiction about the exploits of a dragon in Warhammer!!!
Also, remember that Dragons were the original life form in the Warhammer Universe, they could have evolved into sea dragons way before any other life form even existed that could be considered a threat.
Dragons used to get along fairly well with Dwarfs, and their fire is apparently the key to crafting certain dwarfen runes.
you know elephants have communal grave yards too that they travel long ways to get to before they die.
Arch what about a Lore Video, about the City of Mordheim?
Well, dragons eat gems so there is that. They tend to sleep on the gold as well, making is a nice bed. While generally, the more wealth a dragon has contributes to his power.
First idea. Someone curesed a dragon and the result was sea dragon.
If dragons like gold and attack Dwarven strongholds (Karaks?), why don't they attack the Lizardmen temples/cities which are filled with gold?
(Really cool lore videos by the way).
One word.... Carnasaurs
Dragons = Giant Crows :D
Those dragons sure love their gold. I imagine them as masters of 419 scams and snake oil selling.
First of all another great video, Arch. Could someone help me with 2 questions?
Q1: Do the woodelves also employ a dragons like the Dark- and High Elves?
Q2: Are the High Elves like the dark elves limited to only using to only using one kind of dragon or do they deploy several?
Gold is also the softest metal on the scientific table of elements.
What ELSE do you think a dragon would use as bedding? Blankets? Not likely!
Blankets and sheets would go up in an inferno on the first snore!
Wonder what would happen if there was a skaven dragon... I mean a big ass rat wth wings...? Yeh where do i get these ideas...
What you are thinking of is called a bat.
” The seas of the Warhammer universe is filled to the brim with tooth and bad attitude” A mental image of a bunch of angry whales with cockney accent poped up!^^
You should do a video on the world of warhammer fantasy besides old world
hey Arch! The latest Mordheim patch has really helped the game immensely and IMHO made it fun! So can you start your video series on it?
9:53 I guess its suppose to be like an elephant graveyard or something?
I don't know if you've been told this Arch but your voice is kinda soothing...
Really interested on that imperial dragon... Name, "class" and colour and so on. Anyone that knows about it plz comment :)
To bad you didnt mention Cathay and Nippon. I beleive the "Dragon Emperor" of Cathay is in Fact a dragon who took human form. Similar to our worlds Asian Dragons from folklore, who are less beasts, instead more of a noble "watchers" of the world.
Hasbro has questions.
7:45 whales and crocodiles exist.
Yeah Sigmar also met a dragon-god after "The World That Was TM" was destroyed... I dunno what GW writers were going with it but it'd mean that dragons are eternal, semi-godlike beings. Which would also mean that Dragons dies and then... reborn?
Great video, was wondering what your opinion is on lore from "Forgeworld" ?
such as "Storm of magic" & "monsters arcanum" ?
Since they include additional mentions of dragons, such as "Toad Dragons" & "Magma Dragons"
wings would be more helpful underwater than being a hinderance
Do you think u will run into wild dragons on warhammer total war ? like classed as bandits? and do dragon fight on field
I don't think that dragon taxonomy really says "lizard", although their scaled appearance does suggest that they would be part of the order squamata.
Gold is catnip for dragons.
Is it just me or are lightning breathing dragons more plausible than fire or gas breathing ones, not less?
Gas is a maybe. Jus put because of the fact that I could be a biological mixture that is gaseous at room temperature. Like how some animals have poison in real life
arnt there also magma dragons and carmine dragons? i saw them on forge world
What use has a Dragon for gold you ask?
Well, what use has Gold for us? It´s shiny , rare it does not oxidize.
Making it valuable. Just valuable.
Especialy in medieval time´s gold has seen no uses. Besides as money.
Because its shiny, rare and does not oxidize.
What color and classification is ten imperial dragon?
Oh man, what horros clan moulder could make from dragons...
Let me enlighten you about Black dragons and dark elves because you got it all wrong.
You explanation of mind raping doesn't hold a second as only a vastly powerful sorceress could do such a thing and black dragons are commonly ridden by dark elf nobles.
Most Black Dragons descend from a female called Sulekh, the first black dragon. She was part of a number of eggs stolen from Caledor and nastily corrupted still unborn. She was the most powerful of them and mount to Malekith. When Sulekh was slain by Caledor her descendant swore vengeance against the high elves and this hatred gives them a common ground with the dark elves (other than the fact that they created them and brought them up).
The fact is that dark elves created and brought up the first black dragons and as such they are relatively young dragons but made stronger and bigger by dark magic in the egg.
Black dragons are cruel and corrupted creatures and they can find a worthy alter ego in a savage and strong enough dark elf, proof is the story of Rakarth the beastmaster and his dragon Bracchus.
So, no black dragons are not mind raped slaves of the dark elves (except possibly the dragon of a particularly poweful and ambitious sorceress), they are corrupted and cruel creatures that share many traits with the dark elves and as such can form a dark parody of the bond between a high elf dragon rider and his mount.
Based arround how you describe them & how the lore tells about them, the best way to name what they are might be as top level primal alpha class super predator, that might have warp cell evolution thus explaining its adaptability, there just as old if not older then the saurians of the WarHammer World, they were there when the Old Ones arrived, now how much are they evolved lets say from the wyverns, its like comparing & I"m quoting you here "comparing The Wright brothers by plane to Jumbo Jet" , or even other species is something interesting.
What about the Lizardmen? Are there simply no dragons in Lustria? Or did the Dragons that lived there simply evolved into Salamanders?
Hey Arch, there is a Warhammer mod for Mount and Blade called Warsword Conquest you may want to check out,.