Wow your videos are such a contrast from all the other FSD videos, others look near perfect and yours have a fair amount of interventions. Makes you wonder.
I didn’t notice the contrast from other videos; different perspective from the driver and editing style, but the fsd performance seemed the same, which I believe to be generally good; actually amazing when we remind ourselves that we are watching cars drive themselves!
You should have reported the dog in the crosswalk problem. Looks like FSD did not recognize the dog and thought the adult human had stopped. This was a training opportunity.
Earlier today a lady was walking her dog through a crosswalk with the dog trailing behind her. I felt like FSD started to proceed a little early, before the dog had comfortably cleared the intersection. So I wonder if it doesn’t properly respond to dogs in the road, but rather the human walking the dog.
@@cyborgLIS , most likely there have not been sufficient training events for small animals in path of car. In my life time (81) I have seen very few (most squirrels).
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy , I totally understand. I had much longer to think about it than you did. The point is: in supervised mode we have the opportunity to identify new training events for Tesla to use to train full self driving. I have taken advantage of it several times.
I try my best to report too(did that couple of times in my next videos) just that the time when I do disengage it’s because it’s unsafe. So I spend the next few seconds to make sure I’m safe. And by the time I do, the prompt goes away. Tesla can subscribe and watch my videos to see these issues 😁
Two use cases: FSD for personal use and FSD for taxi use. When I first started using FSD, I intervened when full self driving did not drive the way I would’ve chosen. As I gained more confidence in the car’s ability, I allowed it to make its own decisions. I have found the FSD feature makes good choices. The problems can be assigned to navigation map errors in my area. As for humans directing traffic, I have no experience with FSD’s ability to handle. For the human case, just take over. For use as a taxi, more training may be required.
People have no clue. Situations like 5:55 proof, that AI can do everything very easy if it has learned it. And as long as FSD is not feature complete, it will be a supervised software that needs your attention. Watching the progress from FSD 12.3 to 12.5, you can be very confident that 12.6 is going to blow us away.
What they should focus on is preventing Imminent crashes and not general driving. Perfect preventing collisions and then worry about staying within lines.
Wow, this video clearly confirms FSD fails in most edge cases where actual intelligence is required. Don't they have an anti gridlock function, the car was blocking the entire intersection @4:00
You're really doing well. When do you think Tesla will be ready for robotaxis? I feel like I’m seeing quite a few silly mistakes that wouldn’t be acceptable for a consumer if they’re paying for a product."
FSD works great to take you to work, but when it comes to events like concerts, festivals or just large gatherings in general FSD is scary. A lot of times the roads are rerouted for the events and cops have to direct you and the car just can’t handle that
That's an over-simplified question. FSD is mastering different areas and scenarios at different rates. Will they use remote drivers, to take over in situations it can't yet handle, like the human traffic directors, or have it not operate in such places? Will they release it by region, instead of trying to activate it everywhere at once? Are we talking about all hardware versions being ready, or just the latest? Are we talking about when the software is capable, or when it's operating officially, without drivers? What does "capable" mean? What accident rate will be acceptable? Because it's never going to be perfect. I could go on, but the point is made.
@@catbert7 Literally hit the trifecta perfectly bro, questions Elon really needs to start answering soon. Most importantly where does liability fall in the event of a accident or even a fatality
I bought a used model 3 with FSD 12.3 last week. I would say it's about 85% there. That 15% makes it tantalizing & frustrating at the same time. When there are no other cars around, it's amazing. I used it at night to navigate over an hour home in an unfamiliar place & it was excellent. That was with basically no other cars on the road though. The odd decisions it makes when interacting with other vehicles is pretty frustrating. I simply don't trust it. I find myself talking out loud as the car behaves like a teenager in driver's ed. I'm confident that the car is always going to be safe but I swear it's going to create a road rage incident. Stopping 25 feet before the stop line because that's where the sign itself is mounted? Militantly staying in the center of a wide lane in heavy traffic even though the drivers naturally form left & right turning stacks? Not anticipating the correct lane when the actual pattern clearly goes from 1 to 2 lanes on navigation? "Is it my turn? Better stop & start 3 times at the 4 way intersection!" Also, the highway following distance NEEDS to be tightened up somehow. In "assertive" mode it will borderline cut cars off in the passing lane then frustratingly slows down to create a giant gap with the car in front. Other driver must think I'm a jerk. To be fair, it's only been a week. Over time, maybe I'll just get over it & let the car do it's thing. One thing is for sure though: If I hadn't essentially gotten it for free with the car, there is ABSOLUTELY no way I would've shelled out $8,000 for FSD. It's not even close for that price.
12.5.1.3 is huge improvement over 12.3.6 and hopefully will be released for HW3. I think it’s 95% there. For “supervised” it already works (very few disengagements). Not there for unsupervised FSD yet.
I heard you on FSD being a “jerk” 😅 it does that a lot on some of the highways here that are using V12. The random lane changes and cutting off people is annoying. Like it can do great on most things which is a major improvement because a few years ago, this wasn’t even possible. But it needs to do all the other things great as well for it be truly FSD.
@12:30 I’ve encountered this scenario before and FSD does stop even when it’s green, which I suppose is the correct response. I’m honestly not sure and don’t understand why they place stop signs at some traffic lights?
I think maybe because there was construction there prior so the traffic light wasn't working and now it's fixed, but they haven't removed the stop sign.
You should do some highway testing to show people how v12 performs on highway. Most people seem to believe only v11 operates on highways but there are several highways in NJ that use v12, like Rt 17 and Rt 4.
You’re right on! It is definitely using V12 on RT17 when I’m using it. I can do videos on that. But it actually does a pretty good job there, it’s just the random lane changes that I dislike, even with minimal lane changes turn on. It’s the local streets with everything happening that really puts FSD to the test.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Yeah v12 on highway is great, but it’s worth it to see for the people that have only seen v11 on the highway. Its speed control is more natural and automatic, also it doesn’t freak out when another car enters the highway. Also 12.5 on highway fixed the lane change wobble that 12.3 was having. I also don’t have the random lane change issues anymore.
I've been a keen observer of FSD technology for years, but the complexity of understanding human gestures, especially in high-stress situations like police traffic stops, seems insurmountable
12:45 to 12:57 I hope you report this. Only tesla can answer why it pulled over at the gasoline station (it obiously did not need gas LOL). Did the vigorous shaking of the car because of the multiple potholes made FSD decide the road was too rough to proceed? If this was a robotaxi it has to communicate to tesla and the passenger why it ended the trip before reaching its destination.
Glad it doesn’t need gas, was worried for a second haha 😅 I am not of the early access users, so I don’t have a button to report things to Tesla. I need to disengage to send a voice note to them. But for the most part, if I need to disengage it is due me and the car being in a non safe situation and I spend the next few seconds to make sure I’m safe and by that time, the prompt goes away. Maybe Tesla can subscribe to my channel and they can watch the videos here lol 😊
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Does voice command work for you? You can also use voice commands to provide feedback to Tesla. Say "Report", "Feedback", or "Bug report" followed by brief comments. Model 3 takes a snapshot of its systems, including your current location, vehicle diagnostic data, and screen captures of the touchscreen. Tesla periodically reviews these notes and uses them to continue improving Model 3.
I am TOTALLY confused regarding FSD!!! I see videos by Whole Mars Catalog that are 100% NO INTERVENTION EVER, then I see videos like this and I see that FSD still needs work!!!!! I wonder if Elon replying to Whole Mars Catalog Tweets has something to do with his videos? This is a public safely matter, not a TESLA marketing issue.
Tesla already confirmed that they predominately use Elons data and data from famous FSD youtubers. But than again I have seen plenty videos from youtubers with very few subscribers that have been recorded on pretty long drives with very demanding scenarios uncut, no interventions perhaps 1 or 2 accelerator pedal pushes. So all in all I am confused as well.
@@deafblindnoob2748I do also believe it has to do something with location since I test drove one for a day in an area with few Tesla drivers and FSD testers and it performed well but far less smooth than the videos we see coming from California. 😅
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Yes to some extend that has to be true but still often it performs very well in east coast areas as well. For example check out TeslaTobi, he is a german youtuber who has very few subscribers but so far overwhelmingly good FSD drives in the Boston area.
new updates are coming out too quickly, hard to say without enough time to test it out. but it seems like 12.5.1.3 is going to be out for a while before any new updates come out, so a lot of testing can be done before the next update.
I watched this second video and ill be honest with you, this car is not in line with what I'm seeing with some of the other testers like WholeMarsCatalog ,john and black tesla. something weirdly feels off...
All the comments about how far FSD is from handling this or that situation are completely baseless. One cannot predict from seeing this whether the correction will be next week or in five years. Imagining that you know what AI can or can't do tomorrow is just baseless speculation. Today it didn't seem to handle police hand signals. That needs to be fixed. That's all we know.
Yeah, the people directing cars makes me want to go check what Waymo have done in those situations. I know they have someone remote that can take over, but not sure how long it takes them to intervene once there is an issue.
It’s obvious occasional human intervention may be needed. It’s in the name “FSD supervised”. Didn’t need to view the video. You gave away the story in the title.
It failed to stop for the GTA NPC :)
Wow your videos are such a contrast from all the other FSD videos, others look near perfect and yours have a fair amount of interventions. Makes you wonder.
I didn’t notice the contrast from other videos; different perspective from the driver and editing style, but the fsd performance seemed the same, which I believe to be generally good; actually amazing when we remind ourselves that we are watching cars drive themselves!
it has definitely come a long way since the software first came out. it just seems to work better on the west coast compared to here in NJ.
You should have reported the dog in the crosswalk problem. Looks like FSD did not recognize the dog and thought the adult human had stopped. This was a training opportunity.
Earlier today a lady was walking her dog through a crosswalk with the dog trailing behind her. I felt like FSD started to proceed a little early, before the dog had comfortably cleared the intersection. So I wonder if it doesn’t properly respond to dogs in the road, but rather the human walking the dog.
@@cyborgLIS , most likely there have not been sufficient training events for small animals in path of car. In my life time (81) I have seen very few (most squirrels).
Pedestrian had some words for me at that time lol. And I didn’t think it was the right timing at that moment to look away and talk to my car haha😅
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy , I totally understand. I had much longer to think about it than you did. The point is: in supervised mode we have the opportunity to identify new training events for Tesla to use to train full self driving. I have taken advantage of it several times.
I try my best to report too(did that couple of times in my next videos) just that the time when I do disengage it’s because it’s unsafe. So I spend the next few seconds to make sure I’m safe. And by the time I do, the prompt goes away. Tesla can subscribe and watch my videos to see these issues 😁
Yeah. You definitely should have taken over with that dog in the street. You almost killed them
FSD is still two years away from being two years away
Sadly blind people can’t see the gain😢
It might be ready in some locations in the west coast, but definitely not here in New Jersey
Two use cases: FSD for personal use and FSD for taxi use. When I first started using FSD, I intervened when full self driving did not drive the way I would’ve chosen. As I gained more confidence in the car’s ability, I allowed it to make its own decisions. I have found the FSD feature makes good choices. The problems can be assigned to navigation map errors in my area. As for humans directing traffic, I have no experience with FSD’s ability to handle. For the human case, just take over. For use as a taxi, more training may be required.
People have no clue. Situations like 5:55 proof, that AI can do everything very easy if it has learned it. And as long as FSD is not feature complete, it will be a supervised software that needs your attention. Watching the progress from FSD 12.3 to 12.5, you can be very confident that 12.6 is going to blow us away.
Frank E Rodgers blvd south and north ah hey fellow Tesla driver ! This is good !
Lots of Tesla drivers here!
What they should focus on is preventing Imminent crashes and not general driving. Perfect preventing collisions and then worry about staying within lines.
Wow, this video clearly confirms FSD fails in most edge cases where actual intelligence is required. Don't they have an anti gridlock function, the car was blocking the entire intersection @4:00
You're really doing well. When do you think Tesla will be ready for robotaxis? I feel like I’m seeing quite a few silly mistakes that wouldn’t be acceptable for a consumer if they’re paying for a product."
FSD works great to take you to work, but when it comes to events like concerts, festivals or just large gatherings in general FSD is scary. A lot of times the roads are rerouted for the events and cops have to direct you and the car just can’t handle that
That's an over-simplified question. FSD is mastering different areas and scenarios at different rates.
Will they use remote drivers, to take over in situations it can't yet handle, like the human traffic directors, or have it not operate in such places?
Will they release it by region, instead of trying to activate it everywhere at once?
Are we talking about all hardware versions being ready, or just the latest?
Are we talking about when the software is capable, or when it's operating officially, without drivers?
What does "capable" mean? What accident rate will be acceptable? Because it's never going to be perfect.
I could go on, but the point is made.
@@catbert7 Literally hit the trifecta perfectly bro, questions Elon really needs to start answering soon. Most importantly where does liability fall in the event of a accident or even a fatality
@@carlosgamez6230 obviously it goes to the driver it's a level 2 not level 3 or 4
Unless its level 3 the driver will always be responsible
@@xpreflex6265 ….??? Sooooooo okay, now riddle this one who is the driver of a robo taxi?
I bought a used model 3 with FSD 12.3 last week. I would say it's about 85% there. That 15% makes it tantalizing & frustrating at the same time. When there are no other cars around, it's amazing. I used it at night to navigate over an hour home in an unfamiliar place & it was excellent. That was with basically no other cars on the road though. The odd decisions it makes when interacting with other vehicles is pretty frustrating. I simply don't trust it. I find myself talking out loud as the car behaves like a teenager in driver's ed. I'm confident that the car is always going to be safe but I swear it's going to create a road rage incident. Stopping 25 feet before the stop line because that's where the sign itself is mounted? Militantly staying in the center of a wide lane in heavy traffic even though the drivers naturally form left & right turning stacks? Not anticipating the correct lane when the actual pattern clearly goes from 1 to 2 lanes on navigation? "Is it my turn? Better stop & start 3 times at the 4 way intersection!" Also, the highway following distance NEEDS to be tightened up somehow. In "assertive" mode it will borderline cut cars off in the passing lane then frustratingly slows down to create a giant gap with the car in front. Other driver must think I'm a jerk. To be fair, it's only been a week. Over time, maybe I'll just get over it & let the car do it's thing. One thing is for sure though: If I hadn't essentially gotten it for free with the car, there is ABSOLUTELY no way I would've shelled out $8,000 for FSD. It's not even close for that price.
12.5.1.3 is huge improvement over 12.3.6 and hopefully will be released for HW3. I think it’s 95% there. For “supervised” it already works (very few disengagements). Not there for unsupervised FSD yet.
I heard you on FSD being a “jerk” 😅 it does that a lot on some of the highways here that are using V12. The random lane changes and cutting off people is annoying.
Like it can do great on most things which is a major improvement because a few years ago, this wasn’t even possible. But it needs to do all the other things great as well for it be truly FSD.
@12:30 I’ve encountered this scenario before and FSD does stop even when it’s green, which I suppose is the correct response. I’m honestly not sure and don’t understand why they place stop signs at some traffic lights?
I think maybe because there was construction there prior so the traffic light wasn't working and now it's fixed, but they haven't removed the stop sign.
You should do some highway testing to show people how v12 performs on highway. Most people seem to believe only v11 operates on highways but there are several highways in NJ that use v12, like Rt 17 and Rt 4.
You’re right on! It is definitely using V12 on RT17 when I’m using it. I can do videos on that. But it actually does a pretty good job there, it’s just the random lane changes that I dislike, even with minimal lane changes turn on. It’s the local streets with everything happening that really puts FSD to the test.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Yeah v12 on highway is great, but it’s worth it to see for the people that have only seen v11 on the highway. Its speed control is more natural and automatic, also it doesn’t freak out when another car enters the highway. Also 12.5 on highway fixed the lane change wobble that 12.3 was having. I also don’t have the random lane change issues anymore.
I've been a keen observer of FSD technology for years, but the complexity of understanding human gestures, especially in high-stress situations like police traffic stops, seems insurmountable
FSD is not feature complete yet. Understanding human gestures is absolutely no challenge to an AI that has learned it (FSD hasn't yet).
Will love to see FSD understand hand gestures!
12:45 to 12:57 I hope you report this. Only tesla can answer why it pulled over at the gasoline station (it obiously did not need gas LOL). Did the vigorous shaking of the car because of the multiple potholes made FSD decide the road was too rough to proceed? If this was a robotaxi it has to communicate to tesla and the passenger why it ended the trip before reaching its destination.
Glad it doesn’t need gas, was worried for a second haha 😅
I am not of the early access users, so I don’t have a button to report things to Tesla. I need to disengage to send a voice note to them. But for the most part, if I need to disengage it is due me and the car being in a non safe situation and I spend the next few seconds to make sure I’m safe and by that time, the prompt goes away. Maybe Tesla can subscribe to my channel and they can watch the videos here lol 😊
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Does voice command work for you? You can also use voice commands to provide feedback to Tesla. Say "Report", "Feedback", or "Bug report" followed by brief comments. Model 3 takes a snapshot of its systems, including your current location, vehicle diagnostic data, and screen captures of the touchscreen. Tesla periodically reviews these notes and uses them to continue improving Model 3.
Oh I didn’t know that, I’ll have to try that next time. Thanks!
I am TOTALLY confused regarding FSD!!! I see videos by Whole Mars Catalog that are 100% NO INTERVENTION EVER, then I see videos like this and I see that FSD still needs work!!!!! I wonder if Elon replying to Whole Mars Catalog Tweets has something to do with his videos? This is a public safely matter, not a TESLA marketing issue.
Tesla already confirmed that they predominately use Elons data and data from famous FSD youtubers. But than again I have seen plenty videos from youtubers with very few subscribers that have been recorded on pretty long drives with very demanding scenarios uncut, no interventions perhaps 1 or 2 accelerator pedal pushes. So all in all I am confused as well.
I think it is based on location, since most of the data is coming from west coast, FSD performance is better there.
whole mars is biased clearly.
@@deafblindnoob2748I do also believe it has to do something with location since I test drove one for a day in an area with few Tesla drivers and FSD testers and it performed well but far less smooth than the videos we see coming from California. 😅
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Yes to some extend that has to be true but still often it performs very well in east coast areas as well. For example check out TeslaTobi, he is a german youtuber who has very few subscribers but so far overwhelmingly good FSD drives in the Boston area.
2 months later.. were not there yet, we are far from self driving lol
12:50 give the car some slack it has never seen a gas station up close, it was just curious
Haha probably
I feel in 10-15 years it will be able to handle so many things :D
I mean FSD wasn’t even possible a few years back
You sure you’re not on version 9？😂
😂pretty sure I’m not.
should have let fsd take out the karen. jumping right infront of a moving car and had the audacity to be rude.
FSD won’t let that happen lol. It was gonna slow down, just took too long.
this version seems horrible compare to prvious versions?
new updates are coming out too quickly, hard to say without enough time to test it out. but it seems like 12.5.1.3 is going to be out for a while before any new updates come out, so a lot of testing can be done before the next update.
I watched this second video and ill be honest with you, this car is not in line with what I'm seeing with some of the other testers like WholeMarsCatalog ,john and black tesla. something weirdly feels off...
All the comments about how far FSD is from handling this or that situation are completely baseless. One cannot predict from seeing this whether the correction will be next week or in five years. Imagining that you know what AI can or can't do tomorrow is just baseless speculation. Today it didn't seem to handle police hand signals. That needs to be fixed. That's all we know.
They need a new aprouch... We cant have a robo taxi that is impressive most of the time.
agree, we need it working all the time for it to be pushed out
FSD Exposed
I think even Waymo would've screwed up on those situations
Yeah, the people directing cars makes me want to go check what Waymo have done in those situations. I know they have someone remote that can take over, but not sure how long it takes them to intervene once there is an issue.
It’s obvious occasional human intervention may be needed. It’s in the name “FSD supervised”. Didn’t need to view the video. You gave away the story in the title.
Saving you time one video at a time =)