Nicely done Scott, polite, respectful and gracious. The balls in his court. You've offered him some nice options. He can get his investment back, or allow you to help him properly set up his machine or even make a show with you and introduce his viewers to the real Shopsmith. That could make for a great show. No matter what his response is I applaud you on how person-ably and diplomatically you handled your challenge.
Would make for a fun new video watch. Can't see John saying no as there is a built in audience who would enjoy watching it. Any new or different content on UA-cam is valuable.
Just to be clear; I don’t care if John’s opinion of Shopsmith tools changes or not. What I do care about is that the people who could be working safely and accurately with well-made and readily available Shopsmith, but may now take a pass, based on the misinformation found in John’s video. John has a beautiful, large, well-equipped shop, so clearly his needs aren’t where the Shopsmith was targeting. I look forward to your comments and thoughts. Oh, and Tom from Woodshop Nerdery released a similar response that really deserves your attention, so be sure to check it out! ua-cam.com/video/etxn1YkEIsg/v-deo.html
That guy went out of his way to hurt the brand. I have no respect for somebody like him. If I were corporate sponsors, I'd want to steer clear from him. I would think twice before I ever consider any tools he recommends.
Your response was well muted. That John had to learn how to drive, to be a functioning member of society, to learn how to use a video camera, to set up the setup(s) to edit the video, to … What in the - to provide such misinformation means he’s certainly capable of reading, providing HONEST information. If he is indeed one who believes in truth then he should be capable of taking a deserved “hit on the chin” and accept your offer. Good on yuh mate.
I totally agree, Scott, who cares what this tee-shirt salesman says? I feel bad for the person who inherited a Shopsmith from a parent or grandparent. Or may the person on a budget who was given on by neighbor or who found a steal at the flee-market. Videos like John Malecki's and the one a while back from the Den of Tools guy are these loud under-informed voices discouraging those folk from enjoying a competent machine.
@@woodshopnerdery he literally went out of his way to discredit the brand. Maybe he's trying to get something free out of corporate Shopsmith using "reverse-psychology"? He looked and sounded like a buffoon. I can't take anything he says or recommends with a grain of salt. I started following him just before his rant posting, now I'm going to unfollow his channel whether he has good content or not. There's plenty of good quality content out there, you and Scott are examples of that. I hope vendors like Festool don't take someone like him seriously, I'd think twice. P.S., you both have great content and I bought my Mark 7 in part to that content, I always wanted one, and if I saw that bash video, I might have stayed clear. I'm very pleased with my system less than 3 months into it.
I’ll echo what’s already been said - he made a clickbait video. In my opinion he may have needed content, which I can understand would be an issue for any UA-camr. But… he took the low road, dissed a tool in the most ignorant way, and then hoped to get attention. I can’t have respect for that.
Great response video, Scott. I saw his video when it came out and the words that came to mind was "drama queen." He did not appear to be serious about setting up or learning how to use the Shopsmith machine properly. It appears he was more interested in making a video that was over-the-top and would keep people watching to improve the UA-cam monetary numbers. Just about all stand alone tools such as tablesaws, bandsaws, jointers, etc., require a setup and alignment process that can take some quite some time using a dial indicator, square, etc., and making constant adjustments until it is finally aligned properly. His lack of knowledge and due diligence does not constitute a bad tool on ShopSmith's part.
That's a great way to put it all in a nutshell. If shop space is not an issue and $$ spent isn't an issue, sure. Go for it with stand-alone power tools but just as you stated, even stand-alone power tools require initial setup for use and they also require proper periodic setup checks to make special cuts. Even when you go back to using a stand-alone tool you still need to make sure nothing has changed; e.g., fell out of alignment, is being used to make other types of cuts, etc. That's true of the Shopsmith's tools. So concerns such as this are a non-starter for any woodworking craftsman regardless of which power tool is used.
John Malecki whined about the plastic coupler being dangerous, then turned on the machine and intentionally put his hand directly on the spinning coupler. John Malecki moaned about the hazardous jointer, then proceeded to joint a board using no push blocks. John Malecki exclaimed the dangers over and over again in regard to the table saw. In regard to the compound miter cut, he said he was about to make the most dangerous cut he ever made. But proceeded with the cut anyway with no guard or riving knife installed with has hands straddling the blade. So, either he really believes what he said about these hazards and is an inherent risk taker. Or, he was misleading the audience about the magnitude of risk and that's why he felt comfortable doing those things.
The most dangerous tool in the shop is John Malecki. And he's is a big one. Thanks to Scott for all the great videos on the proper and safe way to setup and use your Shopsmith and to Woodshop nerdery for the great projects made using a Shopsmith.
To be fair the spinning coupler is somewhat dangerous. I just use a length of an appropriate diameter silicone hose over it. It just pushes onto the headstock drive hubs cover (part 136 521889) which of course might be missing on the Shopsmith he had (not watched the video) if it is older which is why it is a recommended upgrade. I would also add the lack of a modern NVR start/stop is also a safety issue for a Shopsmith.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 I suppose that would work I mean the intent is that the coupler breaks before the tool breaks. Not sure if one has actually exploded
Thanks for making this video Scott. At this moment John Malecki's video has received 330,000 views on UA-cam. And probably 10x that many have viewed the video thumbnail in their feed. And his video is at the top of the list when I search "Shopsmith." I hope all of those viewers find your videos and learn about the strengths and weaknesses of the Shopsmith system from a true master of these tools.
I watched John’s video last week. I was intrigued with the lathe and drill press options. Flash to yesterday, my father-in-law asked if I was interested in getting his Shopsmith Mark V. Never knew he had it, but gratefully said yes!
I typically watch John Malecki on Sunday mornings, and saw the Shopsmith video. I was pretty surprised at his take, and I didn't really see how it was productive. My father used a Shopsmith for 30 years with no issues. He has passed, but I now have a Shopsmith in many pieces that I now need to figure out. That being said, I never once thought it was any more dangerous than anything else, so that video was really indicative that his channel has gone the way of snarky entertainment. I've subscribed to you and a few other responders since, because you seem very well reasoned, and frankly, I need to learn how to use this beast... Cheers!
Good response, Scott! Here's what I know: the Shopsmith I have is properly set up, aligned and used. It is the PERFECT woodworking tool for me, as I'm primarily a metal fabricator who occasionally is called upon to create something out of wood. My Shopsmith MKV stays tucked out of the way when not in use, sets up quickly when I need it, and WORKS FOR ME. Lastly, thanks Scott for all your excellent videos and suggestions. Please keep up the good work! -Dave
I couldn’t finish his video because I felt it was disingenuous. I am sure he is a great guy but he needed a headline and what better than the world’s most dangerous tool. What got me to not finish the video is the fact different tools have different roles. The Shopsmith ,first and foremost, is a tool you consider when you don’t have space for 5 or more individual tools. ‘Nuff said!
Ive never used a shop smith. Didn’t watch Johns video even though I do follow him. I remember about 27 years ago seeing it for the first time at the Indiana State Fair expo center. I was mesmerized! I wanted one. That was the first time I had a desire to do woodworking. I bought a scroll saw to dip my toes in before jumping in the deep end. At that time… I had no one to teach or help me. So… it went unused and ended up getting sold. Fast forward from 1996 to 2013… I found the wonderful world of Pinterest and UA-cam. I never have seen another shop smith But I always thought it looked pretty cool. Thanks for sharing this video and dispelling any misconceptions people may have. I already have a shop full of tools and wont ever be buying a shopsmith. But there are plenty of people out there that need this info. I’ve complained about my planer… but it’s been because I didn’t know how to properly set it up. Setting up your tools is the biggest battle.
You are so right about the set-up being the key to success. Thanks for stopping my and sharing your experience. I’m sure it’s the same story for thousands of people who were mesmerized by a Shopsmith demo. I know I was! Scott
Great video. I have always been interested in the shopsmith but I already have a full suite of single duty machines. I can see how it can be just the thing for the small shop. I was surprised to learn that it is still in production. I had no idea. Combination tools are always a compromise but for the right context they can be just the thing. I got no more space for more machines which is why I went for a combo mill/lathe. At least a can so a little of both activities. I’m good with that for now. I hope John takes you up on your offer.
I owned my first Shopsmith in the 70's. I actually bought it new while also paying my way through college. Here's a quick summary that made me feel this is a great tool. 1. It's only tool that would fit in my second bedroom of a 2 bedroom first floor flat. So, that eliminates all other tool choices out there to have this much functionality. And, it was more than just 5 tools. I had the bandsaw, jointer, jigsaw and planer. Try to get all those 9 tools in any small workshop! 2. Variable speed. I liked the lathe feature and having variable speed is great. Most tools, especially back then, had complicated speed changes involving moving belts manually on pulleys. It's also great for drill press. 3. Motor. - The motor was powerful at 1 and 1/8th hp. Much stronger than other tools in this category. 4. Table saw - This was a bit of a mixed blessing but great for me. The tilting table is not the greatest for angle cuts. But, I literally never did that. But, because of the fixed arbor, the alignment for straight cuts was much better since the arbor never moved like cheap table saws that all used tiling arbor technology. So, for straight cuts, it was far superior. 5. Shared Table - One great feature of the Shopsmith is having the same table for other things. For instance, most smaller drill presses have a very small table. But, with Shopsmith, I can have bigger table with my fence and/or miter gauge to help align parts. 6. Breaking down large panels. The 6' width with extension tables allow you to cut large panels with good support. It's even better on newer units with more options for extension tables. 7. On a minor note, I did like that the tool came with two comprehensive books. I haven't seen any other tool giving you such information. And, it came with a decent set of safety add ons...feather board, push sticks etc. It was great for a beginner like me at that time. 8. Change overs were not that difficult. Usually just a minute or so. A small price to pay for having 9 tools at my disposal. Just having to roll around 9 different tools in a small shop would probably take more time. 9. Lathe was great with good capacity for spindles and bowls compare to other home machines. And, easy variable speed was great! 10. Safety was pretty good with nice saw guard and certainly one of the best miter gauges to come standard with a table saw. Most miter gauges are junk. This was rather good and had nice safety feature to hold down work with gripping technology. 11. Horizontal boring. I would never have justified or afforded a special machine like this. But, the Shopsmith made it easy and it was a great tool I found I used more than I expected. Ok, no other tool could do these things and most stand alone tools weren't as useful like other drill presses with small tables or lathes with less capacity and no easy speed control to mention a few.
“Mama didn’t raise no fool” hilarious. I almost bought one of these years ago. I still would. It’s all about setup, just like every tool ever. Thank you for all the great information!
Such a splendid video Scott! Everyone before me has pointed out your professionalism and in-depth knowledge of the machine. I bought my Shopsmith in the 80's and put it together by myself and have had no problems with it. I'm now 71 years old and still use it along with my stand-alone machines. I would never have tried a lathe if it weren't part of my Shopsmith and I discovered that I love turning. Thanks, Scott, for taking the time to set the record straight.
Great response John’s attitude during the whole video was he did not want to give it a chance to work. He didn’t even check the tightness on the bandsaw before using it. Wouldn’t he do that on any other bandsaw? I hope he accepts your challenge.
Agree on the BS. I used MyGrowthRings BS tuneup video and wow. Bought new TimberWolf blades, lubricated things, cooling blocks installed, all aligned. Like night & day! Like anything - you have to put in time to get things tuned in. Then it’s all a piece of cake really. Easily switching from one tool to another as needed.
This was a very measured response to John's video, I applaud you for it. I have not watched much of John's content but it pops up on my recommended page constantly. The first thing I did when I clicked on John's video was to scroll down into the comments and check for your and @woodshopnerdery replies. 🤣
Thisnis the first video of yours I found. The respect with which you handled this is what made me click on your next video when it came up. You are my shopsmith guy and an excellent continuation of the great wood working teachers you and I grew up with. I now have my first mark 5 that a gentleman gave me. A little rust removal and i will have a complete shopsmith with every bell and whistle. Thanks for all of your help from right here in Dayton Ohio.
Well said and to be clear I believe this guy never intended to be fair and made no effort to understand the engineering that from my perspective is far beyond this guys reach!
Excellent response Scott! Your offer to assist Mr. Malecki in settling up and using his Shopsmith is both generous and an excellent idea to dispel misconceptions about the machine. If his intent (and assuming it is) is to provide an accurate and fair review of the machine he should graciously accept. Like those of us who follow your channel he will find he will learn a great deal he didn’t know.
You're obviously well-read as well as being well- spoken. I like that. Also, this is a quality video with quality content. I believe that, as a tool user and a diyer, safety is always number one. Reading and comprehension of the instruction sheet or manual is paramount in handling any powered tool.
I couldn't agree more about the need to understand instructions. I think that a lot of folks just don't comprehend instruction, in part, because they are made overly complex by lawyers who are trying to cover the manufacturer's butts. It's a shame, but as long as there is good instruction available on UA-cam it might work out ok. Scott
I appreciate your love and sincerity for the Shopsmith. When I was first given mine I spent weeks researching the Shopsmith before and after. I also spent several weeks moving it into the different positions just so I could get a better understanding for how it worked. My thought process is like driving a car. When you are driving you look straight ahead and pay attention to what is going on. You don't just sit there and throw your head around and look at everything but driving a car. You also mentioned once you get a Shopsmith you get other branded tools. So I'm sure it is also widely known that when someone acquires a used Shopsmith you are also getting different random parts for other items too. I'm fairly confident I have a Dewalt table saw insert but I don't have a Dewalt table saw.
Yes, that is very common. Lots of people who are wading through boxes of tools will post pics on the Shopsmith Owners Facebook group, only to learn that they have a part from a food processor mixed in with their lathe chuck!
Hi Scott, I really like your videos. I bought a SS machine that included a jointer and standalone band saw, all the manuals & some extra blades etc for $1000.00 in 2015. It had just been reconditioned I was told. It is a nice unit & I enjoy using it.
Great Scott! Been using a Shop-smith since 1960 when I was 11 years old. I have my Dads original M5 and I have a 520 and a power station. Would not be without one! John Ocala Fl
I think what John did very well in his video was to "Announce his Ignorance". As I was watching him in the video, one thing that occurred to me was that he did not seem to have much "Mechanical Aptitude". When I was 12 years old in 1973, I was lucky enough to be able to buy a (rusty, dirty) Shopsmith 10ER with accessories to use the 5 main tools. I FIGURED IT OUT JUST FINE WITHOUT THE INTERNET OR UA-cam.....I had a strong desire, some patience, and a good bit of mechanical aptitude... OH WELL...Mark C.
@@markclauss2314 John is a smart guy, but what he does on his channel, and what he was doing in his video is to channel what he thinks of his average viewer. I think more of my average audience member and even more than he apparently thinks of his. He believes that his views would toss the manual and dive in, thereby creating a danger situation for themselves. That certainly is true of some, but I sure don’t believe that attitude reflects the average DIYer viewing UA-cam videos. Scott
Enjoyed the video you did with John and how you sent him straight on the importance of doing checks and the need to read the material before jumping to work
This was brilliant Scott. Love to see guys being called out when it is so well deserved. They way you did it was perfect. Will definitely shout this one out on the podcast!
Looking forward to buying a shopsmith today. It's used but after watching your videos I'm very excited and thinking about future purchases for it from shop smith
Scott, I am continually amazed with my ShopSmiths ! The engineering on these machines is absolutely amazing. Out of all the tools I own the most impressive is the ShopSmith. I also want to thank for having a cool head in your response video. You are much more of a gentleman than myself. After watching just a few minutes of the original video I wanted to come out swinging. Thank you for your expertise and your channel, it’s the best channel on UA-cam. Best of luck.
It’s was a good throw down an I believe John was humbled by the end. The shopsmith is a prime example of a built to last invention. I’m not personally experienced even seeing one other than videos. However I can spot a great invention when I see ine
I wondered how long it would take for this video to be published. Great rebuttal! I don't own a Shopsmith, nor do I need one, so I don't have a dog in this fight. However, watching John's video it struck me how obvious it was that he was purposefully tanking the tool. Most telling was that his conclusion for every accessory was that it worked fine, yet it was going in his dumpster.
I have the majority of parts for a ShopSmith I bought sight unseen for $300.00 and haven't used as yet. I have been accumulating the missing parts over the month and hope to making some sawdust in another few weeks. My machine came with a jointer, bandsaw, and belt/disk sander with upper and lower guards for a table saw. The list of missing parts outnumbers the parts. I didn't even get a coupler. No arbor nor blade. No drill chuck. No tables. I bought this machine hoping to start turning bowls and making other small salable items. I have bought chicks, a tailstock arbors, centers, and all the little things I'll need. All but a Manual. I ran metal lathes for years, about a decade, in electric motor repair shops. I know enough to set up and run machine tools. I know I still have a lot to learn about the intricacies of ShopSmith, and I will invest in the Manual and read it. I have a pair of Grandsons to teach on this machine and leave it with. Life is Good. Thank You, Scott.
You are welcome and welcome to the Shopsmith family! $300 is a killer deal, but you are right, there are a lot of small pieces that are needed. The manual is a must. Scott
I watched the video when he posted it and you could tell that he hadn't read or watched any videos Shopsmith use and setup. I have a 500 and 510 with several attachments. I am still a stand alone machine type but I have learned a lot from watching your youtube videos and there are several things I love about the Shopsmith system. I love the horizontal drilling and how you can bring the sanding disc to the work instead of taking the work to the disc, I also like the conical disc system and the ease of using a dado with the Shopsmith over the standard tablesaw. Keep up the good videos and I'm sure most people will see the flaws in his claims.
Excellent video. Nice rebuttal to Johns video. I watched his video and was unimpressed with his evaluation given what seemed his lack of consulting the manual during setup and operation. I have used the shop smith system on a few occasions at a friends small workshop. It is a good tool system, which is what a lot of people seem to forget that it is a system. Is it for everyone, no, But it is a good option for many. You sir have earned a new subscriber.
I saw John's video first, and am very glad that I saw this afterward! Excellent video, and a great perspective that pretty much counters John's "dishwasher". You've earned a new subscriber! 😊
I have a friend that owns a Shopsmith Mark V with all the add ons. I helped him upgrade the motor unit or headstock. I was years ahead of my friend in regards to woodworking and owned my own cabinet shop at the time. He is an older gentleman my fathers age now in his very late seventies maybe even 80 and was my neighbor once upon a time before I moved away in 2013. He still owns his Shopsmith Mark V and has made many custom pieces of furniture with that thing and still does. I spend 8 years as his neighbor and taught him more things than I can remember about woodworking. He taught me how to use the Shopsmith and I was impressed with the unit, but stuck with what I know. I now once again have a full wood shop and have more tools as in machines then I did back in the early 2000s. Only thing missing from my shop is a drum sander and a wide belt sander. If my friend should leave me in his will His Shopsmith I would take it and find it a home in my shop for the small things that don't require my larger machines. Edit : I wanted to add this; The Shopsmith is like the INCRA Router Table Fence System LS with the Wonder Fence there is a learning curve and once you have learned to use the equipment the possibilities are endless. I picked up my Incra in 2016 and I have zero regrets and have yet to reach the system's full potential.
Watching John Malecki's video was a painful experience. My first thought was that he started out with a conclusion and did everything he could to support it. My second thought was echoed multiple times in the comments, and by you, that it would have been extremely helpful if he would have bothered to read the manual that he so cavilerly dismissed. ("Look what I found! This is too long to read. I'll just toss it aside."). My father bought a Shopsmith around 1963. I learned woodworking on it, and eventually inherited it, upgrading and buying accessories. In my family, we have had a Shopsmith for 60 years without a serious injury or mishap of any kind. I hope he accepts our challenge.
Scott… I got here from Tom’s video with a way stop at John’s… Thanks for laying it out. Just as you’ve corrected a few details in my videos… your respectful and knowledgeable response to John’s train wreck can only help to stem the Anti-Shopsmith phobia. Since I got my first 510 in 1986 the only injury that I have had was a bruised arm from a kickback. And, that was caused by trying to cross cut green hickory without using the miter. Keep preaching brother… as Reagan said, “It isn’t so much that they don’t know. It is that, so much of what they know, just isn’t so.”
Tom’s response was excellent! Yeah, there was a preconceived conclusion that he was determined to achieve, and there’s just no way to arrive anywhere else when you start down that path. Sad, really.
Very cool Scott! 😎 John's first video popped up today and I watched it, and Flamed him. That led to the follow up videos. I'm glad he took the challenge and you walked him through the Mark 5. I was hoping he'd ask the old phrase " O.K., now Show me Sargent" and then the both of you would build a simple step stool, or something requiring the saw, jointer, and band saw, but it was still good 👍, and I like the giveaway. I'm pushing 70, and have a soft spot for Shopsmith as my military Dad bought one of the "package deal" Shopsmith Mark 2's in 1960-61 from Montgomery Wards and he/we built a great number of things, furniture and cabinets with it. I still have it and occasionally roll it out for something. I have a cabinet floor saw, planer, jointer, band saw on my own but the old Mark 2 is ready. I know....parts of made of the very rare and highly radioactive Earth element "Unobtainum" ☢️..😆😆!! Great stuff, great channel thanks!👍
I had hopped that we would have done some kind of a build-off too, but I guess he wasn’t interested in that. That’s awesome that you have a family connecting with Shopsmith! It’s nice to have you here. Scott
Just bought a 1968 (verified with original receipts) mark V, Thing is just as solid as the day it was made... More steps to setups, yes but when you get use to the systems, they take only moments in time... Will it replace my table saw, yes and no, I can do more and different processes on my table saw with it's big cast iron bed and cast wings that just wouldn't be feasible on a Shopsmith... I have yet to find a process I can't do on the Shopsmith that I can on my drill press... And as far as a lathe goes it's pretty solid to me, being just a shadetree turner without a ton of experience. So far I'm pretty much in love with my "new" Shopsmith mark V
I’ve been waiting for this response. I couldn’t even finish watching John’s video because I could see where he was going with it. He had his mind made up before he even gave the tool a chance. I really hope he accepts your challenge!
this is such a great channel! I think Jonh's problem is the same as most young people these days, everyone seems to be a little ADD with zero patients! it's a generational thing that even I'm a little guilty of! But with that being said because of your channel and videos I'm hoping to soon be the owner of a Shopsmith mark V! thanks for your channel!
I was much looking forward to your response to John's video and you did a great job, as I knew you would. My hope is that he accepts your offer because the followers of both channels would benefit. John has a very large audience, but I subscribe to his channel mostly for entertainment. I doubt he reads all of the comments on his channel, but if enough of us petition for him to accept your offer it may help. I would suggest we be as polite as possible. Hopefully John didn't target the ShopSmith community just to get us all fired up, but it did work!
Scott, great video, glad you responded. I saw his video the other day and thought he only made it for content buzz. Since he did mention the only home for it was his dumpster, I offered to take it off his hands. I inherited my fathers '59 Mk V and it is need of a restoration (which is going to be fun). It currently works as a Disc & Drum sander as the table (v500) is very corroded and the fence needs to be re-squared, so I cannot use it as a table saw yet. I do like the newer table systems, and the dual tilt upgrade, not sure if it is worth spending the coin and putting on "Ole' Reliable"
Mark, I couldn't agree with you more. I have had a Shopsmith for years and I can't understand a person with any intelligence not being able to properly use it. This guy appears to me to be one of those who just won't be satisfied. Too bad for him!
@@tractornut73 It's his shop. His UA-cam channel and sponsorships paid for it. He's also a former NFL player, so he went into the venture with a wee bit of capital.
@@pawpawstew How many games did John Malecki play? John Malecki played 1 games over his career. I can make no excuse for his misinformation that he spread about the shopsmith product. Ignorance like that will get people hurt. Don't mind difference of opinion about something, but ignorance combined with arrogance is a dangerous combination.
My first thought on the blade slip he mentioned was that he put the set screw on the round part of the spindle rather than on the flat spot. I also feel that part of the frustration of the Shopsmith for long time woodworkers is that the WAY it performs some operations is different than traditional tools. As such, it take a bit to wrap their head around the best way to accomplish something they are accustomed to doing in a slightly different way.
I have owned a Shopsmith MarkV for over 20 years and I also own standalone tools that operate differently than the Shopsmith. In some ways the Shopsmith method is better due to it being a combination tool, and at other tasks it is not as good as the standalone tool. Once properly setup (just like any other tool) it is just as safe as any tool out there. You can hurt yourself with any tool if you use it improperly, or don't know what you are doing. I wonder which person John is.
Yea! For you! John did it for click bait. He don't care about people, just the clicks and views. I can understand him not recommend the machine, but to try to hurt is bad. This will get him more views.
I do not have a ShopSmith. I have friends with various woodworking machines who have complained about some aspect of a machine. Often this may be due to lack of understanding of the machine setup, perhaps a need to calibrate something, tighten something, or operator error. I have a wood lathe. When I first got this mounted on the stand, I then appreciated how few accessories it had and how many I needed. I spent a lot of money on the accessories and tools so I could make the projects I wanted to make with the wood lathe. The lathe is a NOVA DVR XP. This is wired for 120V and in this configuration it produces up to 1 1/2HP. I think the controller board is current limited. I have mine wired for 240V and in this configuration it produces up to 2HP. I expect the motor in a new ShopSmith will have the same wiring options. I later got a metal lathe. I spent a lot more on accessories and tools than I had for the wood lathe. I later got a milling machine. I needed to spend more money on accessories, but not as much as the metal lathe. I have one of the "new" Delta Unisaw table saw. The blade supplied was not bad. I knew I wanted a blades and purchased some. Not a fault of the machine. Machines need to have calibration checked. Things move with use, or sometimes by unseen gremlins in the night. If I need accuracy for a project, I check the calibration of the machine before I start. A good video about a machine with a lot of components which need to be aligned, and calibrated. Dave.
Thanks for sharing, Dave. Yes, the new Shopsmith PowerPro headstock can be wired for either 120v or 240v, which is sweet! Great points about what all tools have in common and you are absolutely right. Scott
Thanks, Scott, for another great video! I am on my 2nd Shopsmith because my wife saw what I could do in the garage with the MK5 and she talked me into getting a MK7 (it wasn't hard to do). I love the documentation provided and all the videos available to get me to the next level safely. I watch your channel often when I have a question. Thanks for all you do. I will be interested to see if John responds.
That was an excellent response done with class. I still wish I had my Shopsmith back. Selling it was the dumbest thing I ever did. If it was replaced by a table saw it was still great as a drill press, horizontal drill press, disc sander, band saw, and lathe. A divorce left me on the move and doing renovations to make extra money, so job site tools were what I needed. I hung onto it as long as I could, but finally let it go because my 2nd wife wouldn’t let me use it in our apartment (neither would the management). The tilting table was, to me, its only real downside, but proper planning usually overcame that.
I used to have a “shop” in the third bedroom of an apartment. It housed a Shopsmith and a Shopsmith dust collector and was never a problem with the neighbors and we got our deposit back, which is a testament to the SS DC!
@@MyGrowthRings When that video came up in my feed, I thought it was click bait at first. I mean, who could possibly say that about a Shopsmith right? Then as I watched it and he mentioned the company filing for bankruptcy, I immediately realized that he was taking a crap on not just Shopsmith but all of us who use it and love it. No lover of tools and tool tech would ever do such a video. The first thing that came to mind was you. I thought to myself, I hope that Scott sees this and makes a video to counter these claims. And sure enough you came through and that's why I love you and your channel. If Shopsmith is our mothership, then you are our heroic Captain Kirk. My guess is that you won't hear a lick from that guy. Thank you again.
John's video was 100% click bait. He "pretends" to know very little about power tools or have the intelligence to know which end of a hammer to use for driving in a nail, and yet, in the video, is surrounded by a very nicely equipped woodworking shop = it's UA-cam clickbait! Good news, thanks to John, the price for us true enthusiasts for used shopsmith parts could go down.
Radial arm saws from the 50s most dangerous tool I've ever used. Had a craftsman and I did everything I could to try and make that thing work smooth. The machine ran perfect I think but no matter how many different blades I tried I couldn't get that thing to make clean cuts no matter what.
Scott, I am always referring other new or inexperienced users to your channel for the knowledge and operation of the Shopsmith to use or to maintain it, including myself, the operations of the machine are many, but you treat your viewers with knowledge and information that showcases just how well the machine can perform, straight to the point and plenty of discussions and feedback from your viewers are always welcomed.
I mean usually accidents happens when your using a powertool the way its not intended. Myself, i once was at a camping site where the cable melted cause of poor connection so the idea was to take the pole down 10 cm with a Angle Grider, i didnt have mine with me so the janitor told me i could borrow his , he had thrown away the cover and put a larger blade than intended and ive always used 125mm . Didnt take a minut and as i was rotating as i always do i didnt think about the extra length and straight into the knuckle it went . Be safe , these tools which we all love , they can get dangerous very quick of not used as intended .
I watched his video the other day as well. I was kind of scared for him! When he started to misalign the coupler, it became obvious he may want to work on his mechanical skills. A few minutes in the manual would of maybe saved some embarrassment. :( Hopefully the video doesn't discourage more capable people from staying away from the ShopSmith!
thank you scott, for a well done and respectful rebuttal video to john's crass and click bait video on the shopsmith... i stopped watching his video at the bandsaw part and left a comment thanking him for convincing me not to watch his video channel... i hope he does take you up on your challenge to him; now, that's a video i would watch...! (i have watched your videos and appreciate the wealth of shopsmith info you have provided)... if it does come to past john takes you up on your challenge, he has to realize what an opportunity it could be for him to attract (not detract) shopsmith owners to watch his channel... 😉 again, great rebuttal video...! 👍😎
Hello Growth Rings , I have just come across both videos of John's and yours. I can see his point and yours I have to say that I do have to agree more with John but also can agree to some degree with you . I like to give you my opinion for what it worth first a little about myself I graduated high school in 1989 took wood class all four years . I love doing it and I started buy tools about a year after graduated my mom didn't care if I use her basement, today I have a shop full tools in my own shop. My father was a Mechanic so I followed in his foot step also been in that trade now 34 years . If you go back to those years before internet Shopsmith was a well know name and in comment on your video and John's a lot people said they started with there fathers using Mark5 and other said I been using this for 30 our more years meaning they are older woodworker just my thought from comments. I think for beginner today this is not a tool for them for one raise a lot of beginner today lack a understand of mechanical adjustment and basic skill in that. Going table saw too drill press and so on John pretty much showed that in his struggle in his video but to your point once set up properly it easy I can see that but to a beginner today I think this machine would cause them to grow frustrated and not continue on in the hobby. Also I think and believe what pretty much killed mark5 was Norm (New Yankee workshop) if you go back to those years the begin of that show no internet Norm blow open doors to people getting into hobby that other wise would have not. So everyone wanted what Norm had and no where was there a Mark5 in his shop. Delta woodworking machine where easy to buy back then every one me included brought Delta still have a shop full of early Delta tools good luck finding today. Just my thoughts and I would like to here your opinions one more thing if John take you up on your throw down I give you of my own read this with John and I like see what the both you have to say in regards to my comment (opinion) Thanks posting I enjoyed watching it.
If you look closely, Norm had TWO Shopsmith in his shop for the first four seasons. Later that number was reduced to one and eventually Delta had him replace it. I think the biggest point that reinforces your position is the fact that very few high schools in America still have wood shops at all. Here in NC there are a total of 54 traditional public high schools that still have wood shops. John’s expectation of his typical viewer is that they won’t take the time to read the manual. That may be true. I have more faith in their ability than that. But it’s their willingness to study the manual is what will make the difference. If a potential Shopsmith user refuses to review the manual, then they are going to be dissatisfied with the results of their efforts. It doesn’t have to be hard.
I say the derogatory content in the man’s video was planned before he even went to purchased that Shopsmith. On purpose, because a large volume of folks own and love these machines. What better way to get people’s attention than to make them upset! It gets views. Look at the Den of tools guy’s view count for the video he produced about, Don’t Buy This Tool. I appreciate you Scott, Markwood for challenging that person, and I too would give him the $1200 dollars he spent on that machine. It is a very nice tool! I hope he doesn’t throw it the dumpster like he mentioned! Lol
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Mr. Malechi is a very accomplished woodworker and produces excellent videos, however I feel it was very irresponsible of him, it seemed to me, to totally disregard the manual and go off on a tirade on how "un-safe the tool is". I hope he accept your challenge, please keep us informed as to his rely.
Scott! Way to address John’s concerns! You know I’m a high fan of your videos. My response to John’s video was, perhaps, less charitable than yours. While I understand videos that are shot while the safety guards in place to better illustrate a operation. I don’t ever agree with showing any tool running without any safety devise in place. John continued to run his tool (and mouth) without safety guards in place, or safety measures taken. Scott you the man! Give Lysol a hug for us!
Hi Scott, I just watched you in John's shop. It took a lot of guts to work on a machine that you had no idea what parts were there and what were missing. I feel you both are missing an important point. People today are different. I am 70 and when I got a new tool, it was a pleasure to unpack, read instructions, and assemble. I did not care how long it took. the reward was doing it myself. I and people of my generation maintain their tools, and enjoy them. My 20 year old table saw is vacuumed after each use, and hand wiped with a shop towel. Safety- if you read the instructions and set up the tool yourself, you will understand how it works. If you pull it out of the box, plug it in and start cutting, this is not safe. 45 years ago I was give a knock off of a Shopsmith. I have never seen a manufacturer's name. Although not the quality of a Shopsmith, I had a blast for many years making many projects. I still use it as a drill press.
I started to respond to John but I thought better of it. The words boorish, unprofessional, full of himself, competing with the likes of Rob Crossman, Stumpy Nubs, Steve Ramsey, Katz-Moses, Jay Bates and so many more and trying to find relevance comes to my mind. I have not doubt about three things, 1. that he bought the shopsmith just to make the video 2 He didn't know enough about you and 3. He didn't read anything in the instruction manuals. You were most kind in your response. I almost spewed coffee out of my nose laughing when you offered the buy the Smopsmith.
I don't have a Shopsmith, nor have I seen John's video. Just wanted to say that if you are a DIY person, and a tool is difficult for you to assemble without a manual, maybe DIY isn't for you. I like making things on my own. The challenge of putting something together is a good thing, not a bad thing.
We are all coming at this hobby from different starting lines, and I just hope that the pure novice gets the message that manuals and training exists for a reason.
THANK YOU! The ShopSmith is one of my most valuable tools in my small 2 car garage and I pull both cars in after I'm done in the shop. I did not like how he made it to be the most dangerous tool. A little bit of research and he would also love the tool. Thanks for all the videos you have put out on them!
That research would start by reading the Instruction Manual that Shopsmith includes with every machine. Maybe John didn't get a manual since he bought his machine used (I believe he can get the manual from Shopsmith). Even if John doesn't have a manual, there are plenty of UA-cam videos out there from experts on My Growth Rings, woodshop nerdery, Doug Reid, and even Shopsmith, so there isn't a reason that the machine can not be properly set up even if John doesn't have a manual or can't read.
Scott, I bought my Shopsmith 3 years old in 1989 from the showroom floor of a Shopsmith store. I've moved it 3 times and used it almost daily from the beginning. It has about the same footprint as my old fold-up ping pong table that I sacrificed. It has been a wonderful boon to my woodworking in my typically very small shops (currently 8'x12'). It came fully set up and until I saw some of your videos, I had never changed or realigned anything. It has served me well and I rail against anyone who unreasonably criticizes it. I've upgraded the bandsaw add-on and the table system from 510 to 520 only because I liked them, not because I needed them. I wanted to thank you and encourage you to keep doing what you do. Too many people misuse the streaming platform to present knee-jerk reactions and opinions without considering the damage to the community. I appreciate your pushing back for all of us happy Shopsmith owners.
Once again I come late to the table. Great response to the hatchet job. As a Shopsmith user for now 61 years, I can say with a high degree of confidence that the point of once you get them set up, they are locked in. Currently I have two Mk 5s, one is a 1958 Greenie that I've refurbished, the other is a 1984 Mk 5 that replaced a 1949 ER-10 that I grew up using. As to safety, well, ANY power tool has the potential to maim and injure it's operator. Understanding the tool is the basis for operating it safely. After these 61 years of woodworking, still got all 8 fingers and both thumbs. So must be doing sumpin' right, yes?
Hey Scott, I have commented before about your videos and you may recall that I don’t own a Shopsmith, but I do enjoy listening to people talk who are knowledgeable in there field. Keep up the good work
The Shopsmith Greatest advantage 5 tools in a small space is also its Disadvantages. Cut, change tool, cut change tool, cut change tool. I have had mine for 30 years .
If it was as great as is implied, there would be Shopsmiths in every furniture factory and cabinet shop in the country. It is a very good multi purpose tool for home use, but it is in no way the best at any one purpose.
I don’t entirely disagree with your argument. What’s interesting though, is that the large cabinet manufacturer Signature Cabinets in Lancaster Pennsylvania actually has a Shopsmith on display in their show room, because it was the tool that the company began on. My own grandfathers commercial wood shop, which employed dozens of men from the depression into the 1970s had every tool you could dream of, yet over in the corner he had a Shopsmith as a back up for many of the tools. I’m not trying to say that it is God’s gift to woodworking, but I sure see it as His gift to me. Scott
Nicely done Scott, polite, respectful and gracious. The balls in his court. You've offered him some nice options. He can get his investment back, or allow you to help him properly set up his machine or even make a show with you and introduce his viewers to the real Shopsmith. That could make for a great show. No matter what his response is I applaud you on how person-ably and diplomatically you handled your challenge.
Thanks, Pete. I appreciate that.
Would make for a fun new video watch. Can't see John saying no as there is a built in audience who would enjoy watching it. Any new or different content on UA-cam is valuable.
Just to be clear; I don’t care if John’s opinion of Shopsmith tools changes or not. What I do care about is that the people who could be working safely and accurately with well-made and readily available Shopsmith, but may now take a pass, based on the misinformation found in John’s video. John has a beautiful, large, well-equipped shop, so clearly his needs aren’t where the Shopsmith was targeting. I look forward to your comments and thoughts. Oh, and Tom from Woodshop Nerdery released a similar response that really deserves your attention, so be sure to check it out! ua-cam.com/video/etxn1YkEIsg/v-deo.html
That guy went out of his way to hurt the brand. I have no respect for somebody like him.
If I were corporate sponsors, I'd want to steer clear from him. I would think twice before I ever consider any tools he recommends.
Your response was well muted.
That John had to learn how to drive, to be a functioning member of society, to learn how to use a video camera, to set up the setup(s) to edit the video, to …
What in the - to provide such misinformation means he’s certainly capable of reading, providing HONEST information.
If he is indeed one who believes in truth then he should be capable of taking a deserved “hit on the chin” and accept your offer.
Good on yuh mate.
I totally agree, Scott, who cares what this tee-shirt salesman says? I feel bad for the person who inherited a Shopsmith from a parent or grandparent. Or may the person on a budget who was given on by neighbor or who found a steal at the flee-market. Videos like John Malecki's and the one a while back from the Den of Tools guy are these loud under-informed voices discouraging those folk from enjoying a competent machine.
@@woodshopnerdery he literally went out of his way to discredit the brand. Maybe he's trying to get something free out of corporate Shopsmith using "reverse-psychology"?
He looked and sounded like a buffoon. I can't take anything he says or recommends with a grain of salt.
I started following him just before his rant posting, now I'm going to unfollow his channel whether he has good content or not. There's plenty of good quality content out there, you and Scott are examples of that. I hope vendors like Festool don't take someone like him seriously, I'd think twice.
P.S., you both have great content and I bought my Mark 7 in part to that content, I always wanted one, and if I saw that bash video, I might have stayed clear. I'm very pleased with my system less than 3 months into it.
I’ll echo what’s already been said - he made a clickbait video. In my opinion he may have needed content, which I can understand would be an issue for any UA-camr. But… he took the low road, dissed a tool in the most ignorant way, and then hoped to get attention. I can’t have respect for that.
Great response video, Scott. I saw his video when it came out and the words that came to mind was "drama queen." He did not appear to be serious about setting up or learning how to use the Shopsmith machine properly. It appears he was more interested in making a video that was over-the-top and would keep people watching to improve the UA-cam monetary numbers. Just about all stand alone tools such as tablesaws, bandsaws, jointers, etc., require a setup and alignment process that can take some quite some time using a dial indicator, square, etc., and making constant adjustments until it is finally aligned properly. His lack of knowledge and due diligence does not constitute a bad tool on ShopSmith's part.
That's a great way to put it all in a nutshell. If shop space is not an issue and $$ spent isn't an issue, sure. Go for it with stand-alone power tools but just as you stated, even stand-alone power tools require initial setup for use and they also require proper periodic setup checks to make special cuts. Even when you go back to using a stand-alone tool you still need to make sure nothing has changed; e.g., fell out of alignment, is being used to make other types of cuts, etc. That's true of the Shopsmith's tools. So concerns such as this are a non-starter for any woodworking craftsman regardless of which power tool is used.
John Malecki whined about the plastic coupler being dangerous, then turned on the machine and intentionally put his hand directly on the spinning coupler. John Malecki moaned about the hazardous jointer, then proceeded to joint a board using no push blocks. John Malecki exclaimed the dangers over and over again in regard to the table saw. In regard to the compound miter cut, he said he was about to make the most dangerous cut he ever made. But proceeded with the cut anyway with no guard or riving knife installed with has hands straddling the blade.
So, either he really believes what he said about these hazards and is an inherent risk taker. Or, he was misleading the audience about the magnitude of risk and that's why he felt comfortable doing those things.
I sure hope you took time to respond to these feelings one by one. I just couldn’t do it this week.
The most dangerous tool in the shop is John Malecki. And he's is a big one. Thanks to Scott for all the great videos on the proper and safe way to setup and use your Shopsmith and to Woodshop nerdery for the great projects made using a Shopsmith.
To be fair the spinning coupler is somewhat dangerous. I just use a length of an appropriate diameter silicone hose over it. It just pushes onto the headstock drive hubs cover (part 136 521889) which of course might be missing on the Shopsmith he had (not watched the video) if it is older which is why it is a recommended upgrade. I would also add the lack of a modern NVR start/stop is also a safety issue for a Shopsmith.
Yeah that made me angry. The plastic couple is designed to specifically NOT be dangerous which he would know if he spent even 2 min on Google
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 I suppose that would work I mean the intent is that the coupler breaks before the tool breaks. Not sure if one has actually exploded
Thanks for making this video Scott. At this moment John Malecki's video has received 330,000 views on UA-cam. And probably 10x that many have viewed the video thumbnail in their feed. And his video is at the top of the list when I search "Shopsmith." I hope all of those viewers find your videos and learn about the strengths and weaknesses of the Shopsmith system from a true master of these tools.
His video is nothing but click bait and apparently it is working from the numbers you cite.
Huge percentage of those are from Shopsmith owners calling him out. As commenter below said, click bait, which is exactly what I posted on his video.
I watched John’s video last week. I was intrigued with the lathe and drill press options. Flash to yesterday, my father-in-law asked if I was interested in getting his Shopsmith Mark V. Never knew he had it, but gratefully said yes!
Wow, how’s that for timing!?! Welcome to the Shopsmith family.
I typically watch John Malecki on Sunday mornings, and saw the Shopsmith video. I was pretty surprised at his take, and I didn't really see how it was productive. My father used a Shopsmith for 30 years with no issues. He has passed, but I now have a Shopsmith in many pieces that I now need to figure out. That being said, I never once thought it was any more dangerous than anything else, so that video was really indicative that his channel has gone the way of snarky entertainment. I've subscribed to you and a few other responders since, because you seem very well reasoned, and frankly, I need to learn how to use this beast... Cheers!
Good response, Scott! Here's what I know: the Shopsmith I have is properly set up, aligned and used. It is the PERFECT woodworking tool for me, as I'm primarily a metal fabricator who occasionally is called upon to create something out of wood. My Shopsmith MKV stays tucked out of the way when not in use, sets up quickly when I need it, and WORKS FOR ME. Lastly, thanks Scott for all your excellent videos and suggestions. Please keep up the good work! -Dave
Thanks, Dave.
I couldn’t finish his video because I felt it was disingenuous. I am sure he is a great guy but he needed a headline and what better than the world’s most dangerous tool. What got me to not finish the video is the fact different tools have different roles. The Shopsmith ,first and foremost, is a tool you consider when you don’t have space for 5 or more individual tools. ‘Nuff said!
'xactly.
Ive never used a shop smith. Didn’t watch Johns video even though I do follow him. I remember about 27 years ago seeing it for the first time at the Indiana State Fair expo center. I was mesmerized! I wanted one. That was the first time I had a desire to do woodworking. I bought a scroll saw to dip my toes in before jumping in the deep end. At that time… I had no one to teach or help me. So… it went unused and ended up getting sold. Fast forward from 1996 to 2013… I found the wonderful world of Pinterest and UA-cam. I never have seen another shop smith But I always thought it looked pretty cool. Thanks for sharing this video and dispelling any misconceptions people may have.
I already have a shop full of tools and wont ever be buying a shopsmith. But there are plenty of people out there that need this info. I’ve complained about my planer… but it’s been because I didn’t know how to properly set it up. Setting up your tools is the biggest battle.
You are so right about the set-up being the key to success. Thanks for stopping my and sharing your experience. I’m sure it’s the same story for thousands of people who were mesmerized by a Shopsmith demo. I know I was! Scott
Great video. I have always been interested in the shopsmith but I already have a full suite of single duty machines. I can see how it can be just the thing for the small shop. I was surprised to learn that it is still in production. I had no idea. Combination tools are always a compromise but for the right context they can be just the thing. I got no more space for more machines which is why I went for a combo mill/lathe. At least a can so a little of both activities. I’m good with that for now. I hope John takes you up on your offer.
I owned my first Shopsmith in the 70's. I actually bought it new while also paying my way through college. Here's a quick summary that made me feel this is a great tool.
1. It's only tool that would fit in my second bedroom of a 2 bedroom first floor flat. So, that eliminates all other tool choices out there to have this much functionality. And, it was more than just 5 tools. I had the bandsaw, jointer, jigsaw and planer. Try to get all those 9 tools in any small workshop!
2. Variable speed. I liked the lathe feature and having variable speed is great. Most tools, especially back then, had complicated speed changes involving moving belts manually on pulleys. It's also great for drill press.
3. Motor. - The motor was powerful at 1 and 1/8th hp. Much stronger than other tools in this category.
4. Table saw - This was a bit of a mixed blessing but great for me. The tilting table is not the greatest for angle cuts. But, I literally never did that. But, because of the fixed arbor, the alignment for straight cuts was much better since the arbor never moved like cheap table saws that all used tiling arbor technology. So, for straight cuts, it was far superior.
5. Shared Table - One great feature of the Shopsmith is having the same table for other things. For instance, most smaller drill presses have a very small table. But, with Shopsmith, I can have bigger table with my fence and/or miter gauge to help align parts.
6. Breaking down large panels. The 6' width with extension tables allow you to cut large panels with good support. It's even better on newer units with more options for extension tables.
7. On a minor note, I did like that the tool came with two comprehensive books. I haven't seen any other tool giving you such information. And, it came with a decent set of safety add ons...feather board, push sticks etc. It was great for a beginner like me at that time.
8. Change overs were not that difficult. Usually just a minute or so. A small price to pay for having 9 tools at my disposal. Just having to roll around 9 different tools in a small shop would probably take more time.
9. Lathe was great with good capacity for spindles and bowls compare to other home machines. And, easy variable speed was great!
10. Safety was pretty good with nice saw guard and certainly one of the best miter gauges to come standard with a table saw. Most miter gauges are junk. This was rather good and had nice safety feature to hold down work with gripping technology.
11. Horizontal boring. I would never have justified or afforded a special machine like this. But, the Shopsmith made it easy and it was a great tool I found I used more than I expected.
Ok, no other tool could do these things and most stand alone tools weren't as useful like other drill presses with small tables or lathes with less capacity and no easy speed control to mention a few.
@@richardg3232 Well said. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Scott
“Mama didn’t raise no fool” hilarious. I almost bought one of these years ago. I still would. It’s all about setup, just like every tool ever. Thank you for all the great information!
I really hope he accepts your offer! I would love to see that video!
Such a splendid video Scott! Everyone before me has pointed out your professionalism and in-depth knowledge of the machine. I bought my Shopsmith in the 80's and put it together by myself and have had no problems with it. I'm now 71 years old and still use it along with my stand-alone machines. I would never have tried a lathe if it weren't part of my Shopsmith and I discovered that I love turning. Thanks, Scott, for taking the time to set the record straight.
Thanks for the encouragement, Anne.
Great response
John’s attitude during the whole video was he did not want to give it a chance to work.
He didn’t even check the tightness on the bandsaw before using it. Wouldn’t he do that on any other bandsaw?
I hope he accepts your challenge.
Agree on the BS. I used MyGrowthRings BS tuneup video and wow. Bought new TimberWolf blades, lubricated things, cooling blocks installed, all aligned. Like night & day! Like anything - you have to put in time to get things tuned in. Then it’s all a piece of cake really. Easily switching from one tool to another as needed.
This was a very measured response to John's video, I applaud you for it. I have not watched much of John's content but it pops up on my recommended page constantly. The first thing I did when I clicked on John's video was to scroll down into the comments and check for your and @woodshopnerdery replies. 🤣
My reply was removed. Maybe by the algorithm because I mentioned my channel but did not give a link.
I had a Shopsmith as a boy in the 50s and 60s. I watched Johns' video and felt that he shouldn't be around tools.
Thisnis the first video of yours I found. The respect with which you handled this is what made me click on your next video when it came up. You are my shopsmith guy and an excellent continuation of the great wood working teachers you and I grew up with. I now have my first mark 5 that a gentleman gave me. A little rust removal and i will have a complete shopsmith with every bell and whistle. Thanks for all of your help from right here in Dayton Ohio.
That’s great to hear and welcome to the Shopsmith family. John’s OK, he’s just underestimating his audience.
Well said and to be clear I believe this guy never intended to be fair and made no effort to understand the engineering that from my perspective is far beyond this guys reach!
Excellent response Scott! Your offer to assist Mr. Malecki in settling up and using his Shopsmith is both generous and an excellent idea to dispel misconceptions about the machine. If his intent (and assuming it is) is to provide an accurate and fair review of the machine he should graciously accept. Like those of us who follow your channel he will find he will learn a great deal he didn’t know.
You're obviously well-read as well as being well- spoken. I like that. Also, this is a quality video with quality content. I believe that, as a tool user and a diyer, safety is always number one. Reading and comprehension of the instruction sheet or manual is paramount in handling any powered tool.
I couldn't agree more about the need to understand instructions. I think that a lot of folks just don't comprehend instruction, in part, because they are made overly complex by lawyers who are trying to cover the manufacturer's butts. It's a shame, but as long as there is good instruction available on UA-cam it might work out ok. Scott
Well done. Hope all those that took Mr Malecki word at face value watch this and apply the same caution to anything they see on UA-cam .
I appreciate your love and sincerity for the Shopsmith. When I was first given mine I spent weeks researching the Shopsmith before and after. I also spent several weeks moving it into the different positions just so I could get a better understanding for how it worked. My thought process is like driving a car. When you are driving you look straight ahead and pay attention to what is going on. You don't just sit there and throw your head around and look at everything but driving a car. You also mentioned once you get a Shopsmith you get other branded tools. So I'm sure it is also widely known that when someone acquires a used Shopsmith you are also getting different random parts for other items too. I'm fairly confident I have a Dewalt table saw insert but I don't have a Dewalt table saw.
Yes, that is very common. Lots of people who are wading through boxes of tools will post pics on the Shopsmith Owners Facebook group, only to learn that they have a part from a food processor mixed in with their lathe chuck!
@@MyGrowthRings Exactly, it's like a rite of passage.
Most SS users should know that John was simply creating a controversy...
[to help cover his abundant warehouse floor space]
Wow, Scott, all great points AND quite the offer. A real Bobby Flay kind of throw down. Love my Shop Smith!
Hals Wood Shop. I like your Challenge. $1200 was a steal for that SS and two SPT still in boxes, who knows what else. Best Wishes.
Hi Scott, I really like your videos. I bought a SS machine that included a jointer and standalone band saw, all the manuals & some extra blades etc for $1000.00 in 2015. It had just been reconditioned I was told. It is a nice unit & I enjoy using it.
As I watched his video, I said to myself: "Yes, I am watching a dangerous tool, but it the one that is speaking."
Great Scott!
Been using a Shop-smith since 1960 when I was 11 years old. I have my Dads original M5 and I have a 520 and a power station. Would not be without one!
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I think what John did very well in his video was to "Announce his Ignorance". As I was watching him in the video, one thing that occurred to me was that he did not seem to have much "Mechanical Aptitude". When I was 12 years old in 1973, I was lucky enough to be able to buy a (rusty, dirty) Shopsmith 10ER with accessories to use the 5 main tools. I FIGURED IT OUT JUST FINE WITHOUT THE INTERNET OR UA-cam.....I had a strong desire, some patience, and a good bit of mechanical aptitude... OH WELL...Mark C.
@@markclauss2314 John is a smart guy, but what he does on his channel, and what he was doing in his video is to channel what he thinks of his average viewer. I think more of my average audience member and even more than he apparently thinks of his. He believes that his views would toss the manual and dive in, thereby creating a danger situation for themselves. That certainly is true of some, but I sure don’t believe that attitude reflects the average DIYer viewing UA-cam videos. Scott
Enjoyed the video you did with John and how you sent him straight on the importance of doing checks and the need to read the material before jumping to work
I like that the Norm clip you picked had two MK5s in the background.
You are the first to mention that you noticed it. Bonus points earned!
This was brilliant Scott. Love to see guys being called out when it is so well deserved. They way you did it was perfect. Will definitely shout this one out on the podcast!
Looking forward to buying a shopsmith today. It's used but after watching your videos I'm very excited and thinking about future purchases for it from shop smith
Scott, I am continually amazed with my ShopSmiths ! The engineering on these machines is absolutely amazing. Out of all the tools I own the most impressive is the ShopSmith. I also want to thank for having a cool head in your response video. You are much more of a gentleman than myself. After watching just a few minutes of the original video I wanted to come out swinging. Thank you for your expertise and your channel, it’s the best channel on UA-cam. Best of luck.
Well, there were a couple takes...
It’s was a good throw down an I believe John was humbled by the end. The shopsmith is a prime example of a built to last invention. I’m not personally experienced even seeing one other than videos. However I can spot a great invention when I see ine
I wondered how long it would take for this video to be published. Great rebuttal!
I don't own a Shopsmith, nor do I need one, so I don't have a dog in this fight. However, watching John's video it struck me how obvious it was that he was purposefully tanking the tool. Most telling was that his conclusion for every accessory was that it worked fine, yet it was going in his dumpster.
I was “this” close to adding clips of all those moments where he acknowledged that each function was actually fine. I wish would have had more time.
I have the majority of parts for a ShopSmith I bought sight unseen for $300.00 and haven't used as yet. I have been accumulating the missing parts over the month and hope to making some sawdust in another few weeks. My machine came with a jointer, bandsaw, and belt/disk sander with upper and lower guards for a table saw. The list of missing parts outnumbers the parts.
I didn't even get a coupler. No arbor nor blade. No drill chuck. No tables. I bought this machine hoping to start turning bowls and making other small salable items. I have bought chicks, a tailstock arbors, centers, and all the little things I'll need. All but a Manual.
I ran metal lathes for years, about a decade, in electric motor repair shops. I know enough to set up and run machine tools. I know I still have a lot to learn about the intricacies of ShopSmith, and I will invest in the Manual and read it.
I have a pair of Grandsons to teach on this machine and leave it with.
Life is Good. Thank You, Scott.
You are welcome and welcome to the Shopsmith family! $300 is a killer deal, but you are right, there are a lot of small pieces that are needed. The manual is a must. Scott
"It's a posh area". LOL!!!😂
I watched the video when he posted it and you could tell that he hadn't read or watched any videos Shopsmith use and setup. I have a 500 and 510 with several attachments. I am still a stand alone machine type but I have learned a lot from watching your youtube videos and there are several things I love about the Shopsmith system. I love the horizontal drilling and how you can bring the sanding disc to the work instead of taking the work to the disc, I also like the conical disc system and the ease of using a dado with the Shopsmith over the standard tablesaw. Keep up the good videos and I'm sure most people will see the flaws in his claims.
Excellent video. Nice rebuttal to Johns video. I watched his video and was unimpressed with his evaluation given what seemed his lack of consulting the manual during setup and operation. I have used the shop smith system on a few occasions at a friends small workshop. It is a good tool system, which is what a lot of people seem to forget that it is a system. Is it for everyone, no, But it is a good option for many. You sir have earned a new subscriber.
Well said and welcome to the channel. Scott
I saw John's video first, and am very glad that I saw this afterward! Excellent video, and a great perspective that pretty much counters John's "dishwasher". You've earned a new subscriber! 😊
Thanks, Benny.
I have a friend that owns a Shopsmith Mark V with all the add ons. I helped him upgrade the motor unit or headstock. I was years ahead of my friend in regards to woodworking and owned my own cabinet shop at the time. He is an older gentleman my fathers age now in his very late seventies maybe even 80 and was my neighbor once upon a time before I moved away in 2013. He still owns his Shopsmith Mark V and has made many custom pieces of furniture with that thing and still does. I spend 8 years as his neighbor and taught him more things than I can remember about woodworking. He taught me how to use the Shopsmith and I was impressed with the unit, but stuck with what I know. I now once again have a full wood shop and have more tools as in machines then I did back in the early 2000s. Only thing missing from my shop is a drum sander and a wide belt sander. If my friend should leave me in his will His Shopsmith I would take it and find it a home in my shop for the small things that don't require my larger machines.
Edit : I wanted to add this; The Shopsmith is like the INCRA Router Table Fence System LS with the Wonder Fence there is a learning curve and once you have learned to use the equipment the possibilities are endless. I picked up my Incra in 2016 and I have zero regrets and have yet to reach the system's full potential.
Watching John Malecki's video was a painful experience. My first thought was that he started out with a conclusion and did everything he could to support it. My second thought was echoed multiple times in the comments, and by you, that it would have been extremely helpful if he would have bothered to read the manual that he so cavilerly dismissed. ("Look what I found! This is too long to read. I'll just toss it aside."). My father bought a Shopsmith around 1963. I learned woodworking on it, and eventually inherited it, upgrading and buying accessories. In my family, we have had a Shopsmith for 60 years without a serious injury or mishap of any kind. I hope he accepts our challenge.
Scott… I got here from Tom’s video with a way stop at John’s…
Thanks for laying it out. Just as you’ve corrected a few details in my videos… your respectful and knowledgeable response to John’s train wreck can only help to stem the Anti-Shopsmith phobia.
Since I got my first 510 in 1986 the only injury that I have had was a bruised arm from a kickback. And, that was caused by trying to cross cut green hickory without using the miter.
Keep preaching brother… as Reagan said, “It isn’t so much that they don’t know. It is that, so much of what they know, just isn’t so.”
Tom’s response was excellent! Yeah, there was a preconceived conclusion that he was determined to achieve, and there’s just no way to arrive anywhere else when you start down that path. Sad, really.
Very well done, Scott. You are a gentleman and a fine craftsman.
Very cool Scott! 😎
John's first video popped up today and I watched it, and Flamed him. That led to the follow up videos. I'm glad he took the challenge and you walked him through the Mark 5. I was hoping he'd ask the old phrase " O.K., now Show me Sargent" and then the both of you would build a simple step stool, or something requiring the saw, jointer, and band saw, but it was still good 👍, and I like the giveaway.
I'm pushing 70, and have a soft spot for Shopsmith as my military Dad bought one of the "package deal" Shopsmith Mark 2's in 1960-61 from Montgomery Wards and he/we built a great number of things, furniture and cabinets with it. I still have it and occasionally roll it out for something. I have a cabinet floor saw, planer, jointer, band saw on my own but the old Mark 2 is ready.
I know....parts of made of the very rare and highly radioactive Earth element "Unobtainum" ☢️..😆😆!!
Great stuff, great channel thanks!👍
I had hopped that we would have done some kind of a build-off too, but I guess he wasn’t interested in that. That’s awesome that you have a family connecting with Shopsmith! It’s nice to have you here. Scott
Just bought a 1968 (verified with original receipts) mark V, Thing is just as solid as the day it was made... More steps to setups, yes but when you get use to the systems, they take only moments in time... Will it replace my table saw, yes and no, I can do more and different processes on my table saw with it's big cast iron bed and cast wings that just wouldn't be feasible on a Shopsmith... I have yet to find a process I can't do on the Shopsmith that I can on my drill press... And as far as a lathe goes it's pretty solid to me, being just a shadetree turner without a ton of experience. So far I'm pretty much in love with my "new" Shopsmith mark V
A calm, professional response to a contrary position. It’s up to the individual to understand how to safely operate their machines.
I’ve been waiting for this response. I couldn’t even finish watching John’s video because I could see where he was going with it. He had his mind made up before he even gave the tool a chance. I really hope he accepts your challenge!
this is such a great channel! I think Jonh's problem is the same as most young people these days, everyone seems to be a little ADD with zero patients! it's a generational thing that even I'm a little guilty of! But with that being said because of your channel and videos I'm hoping to soon be the owner of a Shopsmith mark V! thanks for your channel!
What a happy ending. John isn’t alone, that’s for sure.
I inherited a 1984 model 500 Shopsmith. Can’t wait to get it out and running.
@@Grumpyseabee22 Awesome! It’s starting to cool down, so your timing is perfect.
I was much looking forward to your response to John's video and you did a great job, as I knew you would. My hope is that he accepts your offer because the followers of both channels would benefit. John has a very large audience, but I subscribe to his channel mostly for entertainment. I doubt he reads all of the comments on his channel, but if enough of us petition for him to accept your offer it may help. I would suggest we be as polite as possible. Hopefully John didn't target the ShopSmith community just to get us all fired up, but it did work!
Scott, great video, glad you responded. I saw his video the other day and thought he only made it for content buzz. Since he did mention the only home for it was his dumpster, I offered to take it off his hands. I inherited my fathers '59 Mk V and it is need of a restoration (which is going to be fun). It currently works as a Disc & Drum sander as the table (v500) is very corroded and the fence needs to be re-squared, so I cannot use it as a table saw yet. I do like the newer table systems, and the dual tilt upgrade, not sure if it is worth spending the coin and putting on "Ole' Reliable"
Mark, I couldn't agree with you more. I have had a Shopsmith for years and I can't understand a person with any intelligence not being able to properly use it. This guy appears to me to be one of those who just won't be satisfied. Too bad for him!
I agree. He does seem to have a lot of expensive toys in his shop, but I'm thinking now that he didn't have to pay for them.👀
@@jamesknezek2134 maybe it is not his shop and he is an employee?
@@tractornut73 It's his shop. His UA-cam channel and sponsorships paid for it. He's also a former NFL player, so he went into the venture with a wee bit of capital.
@@pawpawstew How many games did John Malecki play?
John Malecki played 1 games over his career. I can make no excuse for his misinformation that he spread about the shopsmith product. Ignorance like that will get people hurt. Don't mind difference of opinion about something, but ignorance combined with arrogance is a dangerous combination.
im primarily a gunsmith and machinist but i have a shopsmith for the woodworking i need to do. i dont do much but it works great for what i need.
My first thought on the blade slip he mentioned was that he put the set screw on the round part of the spindle rather than on the flat spot.
I also feel that part of the frustration of the Shopsmith for long time woodworkers is that the WAY it performs some operations is different than traditional tools. As such, it take a bit to wrap their head around the best way to accomplish something they are accustomed to doing in a slightly different way.
You are right, Ed, there’s really something to that idea of having to approach the SS a little differently.
I have owned a Shopsmith MarkV for over 20 years and I also own standalone tools that operate differently than the Shopsmith. In some ways the Shopsmith method is better due to it being a combination tool, and at other tasks it is not as good as the standalone tool. Once properly setup (just like any other tool) it is just as safe as any tool out there. You can hurt yourself with any tool if you use it improperly, or don't know what you are doing. I wonder which person John is.
Yea! For you! John did it for click bait. He don't care about people, just the clicks and views. I can understand him not recommend the machine, but to try to hurt is bad. This will get him more views.
I have a Mark V from 1983 and use it all the time. Switching between the 5 tools is so easy.
I totally agree. Thank you for chiming in.
You could have been tougher on Malecki. Thank you for this video.
I do not have a ShopSmith. I have friends with various woodworking machines who have complained about some aspect of a machine. Often this may be due to lack of understanding of the machine setup, perhaps a need to calibrate something, tighten something, or operator error.
I have a wood lathe. When I first got this mounted on the stand, I then appreciated how few accessories it had and how many I needed. I spent a lot of money on the accessories and tools so I could make the projects I wanted to make with the wood lathe.
The lathe is a NOVA DVR XP. This is wired for 120V and in this configuration it produces up to 1 1/2HP. I think the controller board is current limited. I have mine wired for 240V and in this configuration it produces up to 2HP. I expect the motor in a new ShopSmith will have the same wiring options.
I later got a metal lathe. I spent a lot more on accessories and tools than I had for the wood lathe.
I later got a milling machine. I needed to spend more money on accessories, but not as much as the metal lathe.
I have one of the "new" Delta Unisaw table saw. The blade supplied was not bad. I knew I wanted a blades and purchased some. Not a fault of the machine.
Machines need to have calibration checked. Things move with use, or sometimes by unseen gremlins in the night. If I need accuracy for a project, I check the calibration of the machine before I start.
A good video about a machine with a lot of components which need to be aligned, and calibrated.
Dave.
Thanks for sharing, Dave. Yes, the new Shopsmith PowerPro headstock can be wired for either 120v or 240v, which is sweet! Great points about what all tools have in common and you are absolutely right. Scott
Thanks, Scott, for another great video! I am on my 2nd Shopsmith because my wife saw what I could do in the garage with the MK5 and she talked me into getting a MK7 (it wasn't hard to do). I love the documentation provided and all the videos available to get me to the next level safely. I watch your channel often when I have a question. Thanks for all you do. I will be interested to see if John responds.
I owned one of these machines and I can say honestly it’s one of the best machines you can buy for the price.
That was an excellent response done with class. I still wish I had my Shopsmith back. Selling it was the dumbest thing I ever did. If it was replaced by a table saw it was still great as a drill press, horizontal drill press, disc sander, band saw, and lathe. A divorce left me on the move and doing renovations to make extra money, so job site tools were what I needed. I hung onto it as long as I could, but finally let it go because my 2nd wife wouldn’t let me use it in our apartment (neither would the management). The tilting table was, to me, its only real downside, but proper planning usually overcame that.
I used to have a “shop” in the third bedroom of an apartment. It housed a Shopsmith and a Shopsmith dust collector and was never a problem with the neighbors and we got our deposit back, which is a testament to the SS DC!
Thank you Scott for defending our Mothership and a wonderful tool that has stood the test of time and proven itself for generations.
My pleasure.
@@MyGrowthRings When that video came up in my feed, I thought it was click bait at first. I mean, who could possibly say that about a Shopsmith right? Then as I watched it and he mentioned the company filing for bankruptcy, I immediately realized that he was taking a crap on not just Shopsmith but all of us who use it and love it. No lover of tools and tool tech would ever do such a video. The first thing that came to mind was you. I thought to myself, I hope that Scott sees this and makes a video to counter these claims. And sure enough you came through and that's why I love you and your channel. If Shopsmith is our mothership, then you are our heroic Captain Kirk. My guess is that you won't hear a lick from that guy. Thank you again.
Right on man!
Good video, Scott. All tools require the operator to understand the equipment, including a hammer.
John's video was 100% click bait. He "pretends" to know very little about power tools or have the intelligence to know which end of a hammer to use for driving in a nail, and yet, in the video, is surrounded by a very nicely equipped woodworking shop = it's UA-cam clickbait! Good news, thanks to John, the price for us true enthusiasts for used shopsmith parts could go down.
Are you sure he was pretending?
Radial arm saws from the 50s most dangerous tool I've ever used. Had a craftsman and I did everything I could to try and make that thing work smooth. The machine ran perfect I think but no matter how many different blades I tried I couldn't get that thing to make clean cuts no matter what.
if that "through down" happens make sure you post it! I sure I'm not the only one that wants to see that!
I love my multiple Shopsmiths
Scott, I am always referring other new or inexperienced users to your channel for the knowledge and operation of the Shopsmith to use or to maintain it, including myself, the operations of the machine are many, but you treat your viewers with knowledge and information that showcases just how well the machine can perform, straight to the point and plenty of discussions and feedback from your viewers are always welcomed.
I really appreciate that, Robert.
I mean usually accidents happens when your using a powertool the way its not intended.
Myself, i once was at a camping site where the cable melted cause of poor connection so the idea was to take the pole down 10 cm with a Angle Grider, i didnt have mine with me so the janitor told me i could borrow his , he had thrown away the cover and put a larger blade than intended and ive always used 125mm .
Didnt take a minut and as i was rotating as i always do i didnt think about the extra length and straight into the knuckle it went .
Be safe , these tools which we all love , they can get dangerous very quick of not used as intended .
@@henrikpahlsson2223 Ouch! I’ve San that injury first hand and it’s not a good prize.
I watched his video the other day as well. I was kind of scared for him! When he started to misalign the coupler, it became obvious he may want to work on his mechanical skills. A few minutes in the manual would of maybe saved some embarrassment. :( Hopefully the video doesn't discourage more capable people from staying away from the ShopSmith!
thank you scott, for a well done and respectful rebuttal video to john's crass and click bait video on the shopsmith... i stopped watching his video at the bandsaw part and left a comment thanking him for convincing me not to watch his video channel...
i hope he does take you up on your challenge to him; now, that's a video i would watch...! (i have watched your videos and appreciate the wealth of shopsmith info you have provided)... if it does come to past john takes you up on your challenge, he has to realize what an opportunity it could be for him to attract (not detract) shopsmith owners to watch his channel... 😉
again, great rebuttal video...! 👍😎
I appreciate the encouragement, Carl.
Hello Growth Rings , I have just come across both videos of John's and yours. I can see his point and yours I have to say that I do have to agree more with John but also can agree to some degree with you . I like to give you my opinion for what it worth first a little about myself I graduated high school in 1989 took wood class all four years . I love doing it and I started buy tools about a year after graduated my mom didn't care if I use her basement, today I have a shop full tools in my own shop. My father was a Mechanic so I followed in his foot step also been in that trade now 34 years . If you go back to those years before internet Shopsmith was a well know name and in comment on your video and John's a lot people said they started with there fathers using Mark5 and other said I been using this for 30 our more years meaning they are older woodworker just my thought from comments. I think for beginner today this is not a tool for them for one raise a lot of beginner today lack a understand of mechanical adjustment and basic skill in that. Going table saw too drill press and so on John pretty much showed that in his struggle in his video but to your point once set up properly it easy I can see that but to a beginner today I think this machine would cause them to grow frustrated and not continue on in the hobby. Also I think and believe what pretty much killed mark5 was Norm (New Yankee workshop) if you go back to those years the begin of that show no internet Norm blow open doors to people getting into hobby that other wise would have not. So everyone wanted what Norm had and no where was there a Mark5 in his shop. Delta woodworking machine where easy to buy back then every one me included brought Delta still have a shop full of early Delta tools good luck finding today. Just my thoughts and I would like to here your opinions one more thing if John take you up on your throw down I give you of my own read this with John and I like see what the both you have to say in regards to my comment (opinion) Thanks posting I enjoyed watching it.
If you look closely, Norm had TWO Shopsmith in his shop for the first four seasons. Later that number was reduced to one and eventually Delta had him replace it. I think the biggest point that reinforces your position is the fact that very few high schools in America still have wood shops at all. Here in NC there are a total of 54 traditional public high schools that still have wood shops. John’s expectation of his typical viewer is that they won’t take the time to read the manual. That may be true. I have more faith in their ability than that. But it’s their willingness to study the manual is what will make the difference. If a potential Shopsmith user refuses to review the manual, then they are going to be dissatisfied with the results of their efforts. It doesn’t have to be hard.
I say the derogatory content in the man’s video was planned before he even went to purchased that Shopsmith. On purpose, because a large volume of folks own and love these machines. What better way to get people’s attention than to make them upset! It gets views. Look at the Den of tools guy’s view count for the video he produced about, Don’t Buy This Tool. I appreciate you Scott, Markwood for challenging that person, and I too would give him the $1200 dollars he spent on that machine. It is a very nice tool! I hope he doesn’t throw it the dumpster like he mentioned! Lol
Thank you for the defense of this unit. I hate rock throwers and THAT IS ALL THAT CAT WAS PERIOD!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Mr. Malechi is a very accomplished woodworker and produces excellent videos, however I feel it was very irresponsible of him, it seemed to me, to totally disregard the manual and go off on a tirade on how "un-safe the tool is". I hope he accept your challenge, please keep us informed as to his rely.
Is John REALLY a very accomplished woodworker?
Well done Scott!
I love my shopsmith and found all your videos helpful
Scott! Way to address John’s concerns! You know I’m a high fan of your videos.
My response to John’s video was, perhaps, less charitable than yours.
While I understand videos that are shot while the safety guards in place to better illustrate a operation. I don’t ever agree with showing any tool running without any safety devise in place. John continued to run his tool (and mouth) without safety guards in place, or safety measures taken.
Scott you the man! Give Lysol a hug for us!
Thanks, and will do.
Awwww! Thank you! Lysol😊
Hi Scott, I just watched you in John's shop. It took a lot of guts to work on a machine that you had no idea what parts were there and what were missing. I feel you both are missing an important point. People today are different. I am 70 and when I got a new tool, it was a pleasure to unpack, read instructions, and assemble. I did not care how long it took. the reward was doing it myself. I and people of my generation maintain their tools, and enjoy them. My 20 year old table saw is vacuumed after each use, and hand wiped with a shop towel. Safety- if you read the instructions and set up the tool yourself, you will understand how it works. If you pull it out of the box, plug it in and start cutting, this is not safe. 45 years ago I was give a knock off of a Shopsmith. I have never seen a manufacturer's name. Although not the quality of a Shopsmith, I had a blast for many years making many projects. I still use it as a drill press.
Great rebuttal!
Thanks.
I want to see you and John collaborate!!
Me too.
Well said, my thoughts a bit harsher!
I started to respond to John but I thought better of it. The words boorish, unprofessional, full of himself, competing with the likes of Rob Crossman, Stumpy Nubs, Steve Ramsey, Katz-Moses, Jay Bates and so many more and trying to find relevance comes to my mind. I have not doubt about three things, 1. that he bought the shopsmith just to make the video 2 He didn't know enough about you and 3. He didn't read anything in the instruction manuals. You were most kind in your response. I almost spewed coffee out of my nose laughing when you offered the buy the Smopsmith.
I hope he takes me up on one of my offers.
I also left a rather, er..."long winded" response calling him out on his terrible video. I ended it with "your viewers deserve better. Shame on you!"
I sure hope I never step in it like that!
I don't have a Shopsmith, nor have I seen John's video. Just wanted to say that if you are a DIY person, and a tool is difficult for you to assemble without a manual, maybe DIY isn't for you. I like making things on my own. The challenge of putting something together is a good thing, not a bad thing.
We are all coming at this hobby from different starting lines, and I just hope that the pure novice gets the message that manuals and training exists for a reason.
His video was a perfect example of not RTFM. But it did score him youtube points
THANK YOU! The ShopSmith is one of my most valuable tools in my small 2 car garage and I pull both cars in after I'm done in the shop. I did not like how he made it to be the most dangerous tool. A little bit of research and he would also love the tool. Thanks for all the videos you have put out on them!
That research would start by reading the Instruction Manual that Shopsmith includes with every machine. Maybe John didn't get a manual since he bought his machine used (I believe he can get the manual from Shopsmith). Even if John doesn't have a manual, there are plenty of UA-cam videos out there from experts on My Growth Rings, woodshop nerdery, Doug Reid, and even Shopsmith, so there isn't a reason that the machine can not be properly set up even if John doesn't have a manual or can't read.
Well said...Amen! I have a 1957 Greenie Bought used non running, rebuilt it runs great, selling all my free standing tools, heck may buy another one.
Scott, I bought my Shopsmith 3 years old in 1989 from the showroom floor of a Shopsmith store. I've moved it 3 times and used it almost daily from the beginning. It has about the same footprint as my old fold-up ping pong table that I sacrificed. It has been a wonderful boon to my woodworking in my typically very small shops (currently 8'x12'). It came fully set up and until I saw some of your videos, I had never changed or realigned anything. It has served me well and I rail against anyone who unreasonably criticizes it. I've upgraded the bandsaw add-on and the table system from 510 to 520 only because I liked them, not because I needed them. I wanted to thank you and encourage you to keep doing what you do. Too many people misuse the streaming platform to present knee-jerk reactions and opinions without considering the damage to the community. I appreciate your pushing back for all of us happy Shopsmith owners.
Thanks, Mick.
Great rebuttal!
Once again I come late to the table. Great response to the hatchet job. As a Shopsmith user for now 61 years, I can say with a high degree of confidence that the point of once you get them set up, they are locked in. Currently I have two Mk 5s, one is a 1958 Greenie that I've refurbished, the other is a 1984 Mk 5 that replaced a 1949 ER-10 that I grew up using. As to safety, well, ANY power tool has the potential to maim and injure it's operator. Understanding the tool is the basis for operating it safely. After these 61 years of woodworking, still got all 8 fingers and both thumbs. So must be doing sumpin' right, yes?
Sure sounds like a good safety record to me.
Hey Scott, I have commented before about your videos and you may recall that I don’t own a Shopsmith, but I do enjoy listening to people talk who are knowledgeable in there field. Keep up the good work
I do remember that comment, Chris, and I’m glad that you’re here. Thank you for the encouragement! Scott
The Shopsmith Greatest advantage 5 tools in a small space is also its Disadvantages. Cut, change tool, cut change tool, cut change tool. I have had mine for 30 years .
Agree. This also helps one organize their project a bit better.
If it was as great as is implied, there would be Shopsmiths in every furniture factory and cabinet shop in the country.
It is a very good multi purpose tool for home use, but it is in no way the best at any one purpose.
I don’t entirely disagree with your argument. What’s interesting though, is that the large cabinet manufacturer Signature Cabinets in Lancaster Pennsylvania actually has a Shopsmith on display in their show room, because it was the tool that the company began on. My own grandfathers commercial wood shop, which employed dozens of men from the depression into the 1970s had every tool you could dream of, yet over in the corner he had a Shopsmith as a back up for many of the tools. I’m not trying to say that it is God’s gift to woodworking, but I sure see it as His gift to me. Scott
I think mine is very easy to use and love mine